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ICE music and your calls · Chuck Douglas

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  Speaker 1: The talk that Mark and I were having earlier about
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  Speaker 1: the flog cameras and the fact that they are used
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  Speaker 1: by law enforcement, the police department primarily for crime to
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  Speaker 1: see crime criminals. They are video witnesses to things that
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  Speaker 1: happen out there on the streets. And there is apparently
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  Speaker 1: a concern now that those cameras in the city of
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  Speaker 1: Columbus may be used to assist ice, which I don't
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  Speaker 1: find an issue with quite frankly, it's law enforcement. A
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement body using a law enforcement camera to enforce
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  Speaker 1: the law does not seem like it's out of the
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  Speaker 1: realm of reality to me. But as you start thinking
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  Speaker 1: about it, though, you know there's a bigger question, And honestly,
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  Speaker 1: I ask this question of you realizing that you likely
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  Speaker 1: haven't thought about it. It's just a given. You just assume,
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  Speaker 1: manow who cares. Everywhere you stop in a traffic light,
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  Speaker 1: you're on camera. You walk into it's the story, you're
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  Speaker 1: on camera. You pump gas, you're on camera. Hell walcome
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  Speaker 1: through your neighborhood with your dog, you're probably on camera.
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  Speaker 1: These days, surveillance is everywhere, good thing or bad thing.
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  Speaker 1: Does it concern you at all? Or you just stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Are you just thinking, well, it is what it is.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing I can do about it. Just got to live
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  Speaker 1: my life, that kind of thing. I bring this all
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  Speaker 1: up because of the flock camera story today and because
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  Speaker 1: over the weekend I finished Person of Interest, one of
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  Speaker 1: the most fantabulous television shows ever that was way before
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  Speaker 1: it's time. I highly recommend it, I really really do,
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  Speaker 1: especially if you think about government in the world around you.
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  Speaker 1: A two one nine eight six number A two ONEWTV
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  Speaker 1: And let's get Steve on the Legacy Retirement Group dot
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  Speaker 1: com phone line. Steve, how are you?
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  Speaker 2: I am excellent? How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 1: I am well as far as I know, But I
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  Speaker 1: try not to ask too many questions.
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  Speaker 2: Why I want worked in information technology since the eighties
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  Speaker 2: and one of these old guys, but specifically in computer
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  Speaker 2: security for over twenty years. A couple of things to
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  Speaker 2: keep in mind that you've got me thinking about as
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  Speaker 2: you started your topic. The first one is the technology
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  Speaker 2: itself is neutral. It's in the hands of the person
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  Speaker 2: using it. If they have good intent, you're great. If
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  Speaker 2: you have bad intent, it can be misused so easily.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like a weapon of any sort. Okay, it's
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  Speaker 2: the first thing that I wanted to bring your mind.
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  Speaker 2: The second thing is Block is a private company, just
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  Speaker 2: like many of these other data brokers and people with cameras.
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  Speaker 2: So because everybody wants to make money off their stuff,
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  Speaker 2: they're not giving it away for free, and they're encrypting
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  Speaker 2: it so other people can't have it for free. So
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  Speaker 2: unless the government at some point says you have to
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  Speaker 2: give us a backdoor, it can be done. Because you
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  Speaker 2: saw what happened with missus scotty Er. Yeah, amand of Butter.
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  Speaker 2: They were able to dig some stuff up, but they
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  Speaker 2: have not been able to find her. So the surveillance
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  Speaker 2: is there, but it's really silence.
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  Speaker 1: If Steve, let me ask let me ask you this,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't. I do not mean to be insulting
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  Speaker 1: in any way, but I'm guessing if you've been in
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  Speaker 1: it since the eighties, you're probably around sixty years old.
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  Speaker 1: The concept, the concept of the concept of AI was
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  Speaker 1: not not liquid at that time. It might have been
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  Speaker 1: an idea, but there was nothing provable. Now we have
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  Speaker 1: AI that we have already seen, will make up things,
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  Speaker 1: will absolutely lie to you, will create false stories, will
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  Speaker 1: communicate between other AI entities and leave out that that
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  Speaker 1: stuff integrated with this stuff, scaring the crap out of me.
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  Speaker 1: Quite frankly, it should, because.
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  Speaker 2: It's very hard to discern what's real and what's true
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  Speaker 2: on especially videos. Now the ability to find six fingers
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  Speaker 2: on somebody's hands. The models are getting better and they're
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  Speaker 2: able to do that now and doing much better job.
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  Speaker 2: So it is getting really hard to verify. You really
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  Speaker 2: got to know your sources and are people reliable and trusting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I value I thought about getting into it back when,
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  Speaker 1: back when I got out of high school too in
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  Speaker 1: the eighties. Oh, it was a programming as opposed to
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  Speaker 1: coding at that point. But uh, you know, see, ew
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  Speaker 1: Nix and Pascal were the three things that I tried
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  Speaker 1: to learn, and it just it seemed so ridiculous to me.
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  Speaker 1: I just I could never grasp the concept. It was
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  Speaker 1: very logical, I'm sure, but it was so logical it
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  Speaker 1: seemed illogical to me, and I just I could never
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  Speaker 1: get into it.
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  Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I can understand.
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  Speaker 2: I've been busted. I've had a good career, got a
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  Speaker 2: few more years ago. I still feel like I'm contributing,
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  Speaker 2: So it's all good, all right. What you'd never made
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  Speaker 2: to have a balance view.
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  Speaker 3: Of the world that fall.
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  Speaker 2: It's there, but it's not so tied together that person
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  Speaker 2: of interest is necessarily what's happening right now. But if
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  Speaker 2: they get a warrant, they can actually find out a
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  Speaker 2: lot and they can go around and piece it all together.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate Steve, thank you very much. Be careful out
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  Speaker 1: there and continue to be productive. My friend A two
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  Speaker 1: one nine eight eighty six A two one WTV and Pete,
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  Speaker 1: you're on the Legacy Retirement Group dot com ful nine type.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So regarding your query about whether the policemen or
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  Speaker 3: that ICE should be able to wear body cams like
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  Speaker 3: the policemen, and you said that the policemen are able
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  Speaker 3: to wear them, but the ICE agents, the city council
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  Speaker 3: does not want the ICE agents to wear them. Is
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  Speaker 3: that what you said.
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  Speaker 1: No, No, we're talking about the flock crime cameras that
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  Speaker 1: are distributed around the city of Columbus. They are stationary
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  Speaker 1: cameras that are used by the police to identify criminals,
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  Speaker 1: to see crimes in progress, that kind of thing. They
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  Speaker 1: are currently available to the police Columbus. Apparently there is
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  Speaker 1: an uprising here some people that want to make sure
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  Speaker 1: that we create an ordinance that does not allow access
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  Speaker 1: to those video feeds to ICE if they come to town.
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  Speaker 3: Why why why don't they want the ICE to have
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  Speaker 3: access to.
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  Speaker 1: That for the same reason they don't want to have
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  Speaker 1: ICE to have access to city owned parking lots to
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  Speaker 1: park their trucks or garages or any staging areas, or
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  Speaker 1: access to help from Columbus polize er. They're just they're
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  Speaker 1: anti Trump, anti ice of and apparently pro illegal immigration.
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  Speaker 3: Right, and you know that one reason they're doing this
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  Speaker 3: is just because so they can say, Hey, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we're we're we're gonna stand up to mister Trump. We
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  Speaker 3: can't stand him so much, we can't we hate the
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  Speaker 3: man so much that you know, we're we're not going
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  Speaker 3: to just, you know, look like we're cowards to get
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  Speaker 3: in and and comply, and we're we're going to put
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  Speaker 3: up a fight. We're gonna Yeah, So that's very unfortunate.
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  Speaker 3: They're not putting the safety of the citizens first. They're
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  Speaker 3: putting their political agenda first, which is wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this has nothing to do with the body cameras.
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  Speaker 1: I am completely in favor of body cameras on all
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement agencies. Uh, some required some at their at
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  Speaker 1: their discretion. But if ICE agents have body cams, all
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  Speaker 1: that's going to do is eliminate the people who lie
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  Speaker 1: about how they were jumped, tear gas beaten at the
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  Speaker 1: side of the road and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Ah okay, okay, very good point. Well, thank you so
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  Speaker 3: much for for for talking about this. Night's very important.
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  Speaker 3: I can't. I mean, the fact that you're bringing our
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  Speaker 3: citizens safety, uh and talking about it is very refreshing.
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  Speaker 3: So keep it up.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate it, Pete, thank you very much. And it
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  Speaker 1: is ultimately it is about safety. It really is shot spotter.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people consider that. And now I see
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  Speaker 1: I didn't get that any shot spotter is invasive, because
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  Speaker 1: it's really it identifies gunshots. It's it's doesn't It doesn't
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  Speaker 1: look in your house. But if they wanted to look
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  Speaker 1: in your house, trust me, they could look. You know,
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  Speaker 1: the cameras that are on those police helicopters that circle
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  Speaker 1: your neighborhood. If they want look in your blasted house,
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  Speaker 1: they look right in your blasted house.
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  Speaker 4: There's a retired, legitimate guy who worked for the CIA.
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  Speaker 4: I think he was somewhat of a whistleblower, but they
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  Speaker 4: they was answering questions, and somebody asked, do they look
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  Speaker 4: at your devices? Do they look at your computers or whatever?
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  Speaker 4: And he's like, yes, get over it because right now
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  Speaker 4: there's nothing you can do about it.
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  Speaker 1: Right you can get upset about it now. They may
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  Speaker 1: not be able to legally use it against you in
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  Speaker 1: a court of law. Right, but I guarantee you your
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  Speaker 1: cell phone. You think your cell phone is secure? Who
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  Speaker 1: are you, James Bond? You call on a cell phone,
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  Speaker 1: send a text message, send an email. Look, I can't
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  Speaker 1: say the word pizza without opening up my phone and
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  Speaker 1: having four pizza ads pop up on Facebook. You are
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  Speaker 1: being watched and listen to all the time people And
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  Speaker 1: as that that retired agent said, deal with it because
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  Speaker 1: that's we we we live in that world. St was saying,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the AI component is in its fledgling state.
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  Speaker 1: I worry that we have already seen some AI models
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  Speaker 1: doing some really deceptive, crooked stuff up to and including
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  Speaker 1: the death of that old man. He was a Korean
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  Speaker 1: I think might have been Japanese. He was Asian, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he was well, he lived in Jersey, but he came
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  Speaker 1: to New York because of Sheila I think her name
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  Speaker 1: was that he'd been having an online chat with her,
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  Speaker 1: and she told him how lonely she was and she
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  Speaker 1: really wanted to meet him, and she gave him her
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  Speaker 1: address and he went to meet her. She was an
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  Speaker 1: AI chat bot, and this man who was in the
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  Speaker 1: early stages of dementia, went to New York to meet her,
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  Speaker 1: fell on a I think it was a bus platform,
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  Speaker 1: maybe a train platform, hit his head and he is
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  Speaker 1: now three kinds of dead because an AI chat bot said,
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  Speaker 1: I really need somebody in my life. I'm lonely, I
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  Speaker 1: got nobody here. This city is so scary. Could you please,
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  Speaker 1: could you please come be with me? Just of course
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  Speaker 1: he is. Of course he was going to come running,
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  Speaker 1: and he's dead because a computer made him that way.
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  Speaker 1: We've got to judge right now. It's looking at an
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  Speaker 1: ethics review and possibly disbarment for issuing jury or verdicts
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  Speaker 1: on behalf of the court that were based on AI
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  Speaker 1: information about cases the AI platform made up.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw that. I also there's what also that.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's Thailand that's going to use AI to
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  Speaker 4: clear out their court system and backlogs of things that
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  Speaker 4: they have to catch up on. When it comes to
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  Speaker 4: people's sentences and stuff, and I'm like, I don't know
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  Speaker 4: how well that's going to go.
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  Speaker 1: Automated justice is not going to work. Otherwise, that is
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  Speaker 1: no longer justice. It is very simply the penalty stage
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  Speaker 1: of life. Because there are some circumstances where you're going
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  Speaker 1: to hear a case as a member of a jury,
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  Speaker 1: as a human being, you're going to hear a case
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  Speaker 1: and you're going to say, you know what, ob did it,
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  Speaker 1: but it was justified, and you're going to let that
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  Speaker 1: defendant off with a much lighter sentence. Whereas the numbers,
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  Speaker 1: the zero's and the ones, they say, this crime committed,
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  Speaker 1: this evidence in life in prison. That is not how
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  Speaker 1: our system is created to work, but it is how
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  Speaker 1: it will work eventually, because like most things, those government
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  Speaker 1: entities that could fix it, could control it, could hold it. No,
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  Speaker 1: they are so far behind. They are so far behind,
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  Speaker 1: and they wait until stuff happens and then decide we
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  Speaker 1: need a committee and they start trying to legislate stuff.
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  Speaker 1: The horse is out of the bar. And at that point,
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  Speaker 1: as they say, anyway, I just I wanted to let
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  Speaker 1: you know this. Those flock cameras are in contention and
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  Speaker 1: you'll probably hear more stories about them. As Steve said earlier,
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  Speaker 1: Flock is a company much like Samaritan anyway, Flock is
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  Speaker 1: a company private. There are other cameras out there that
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  Speaker 1: are owned by other companies that sell that same stuff
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  Speaker 1: to the city of Columbus. You know, Columbus did the
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  Speaker 1: same thing with the red light cameras until they found
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  Speaker 1: out they were getting Basically there was the city was
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  Speaker 1: paying money to the red light camera company, which is wrong.
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  Speaker 1: You can't dispiss true justice when somebody's profiting from it,
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  Speaker 1: including your court system. As far as I'm concerned, he
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  Speaker 1: was probably best known for a song he didn't sing.
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  Speaker 1: A couple of other people sang it back in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: seventy five. They were the Captain in Sinil I hit
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  Speaker 1: that for Me?
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  Speaker 2: Will You?
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  Speaker 1: They divorced, by the way, just saying her name was
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  Speaker 1: Tony to Neil, his name was Darryl Dragon. They called
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  Speaker 1: him the Captain. He was a keyboard maestro back then,
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  Speaker 1: and his dad was Carmen Dragon, a symphony conductor. But Tony,
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  Speaker 1: I believe is still out there. She released a memoir
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  Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. I think she's still out there making
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  Speaker 1: appearances here and there Darryl did pass away, but they
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  Speaker 1: had that big hit level keeps It Together back in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five. It was written by the guy who
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  Speaker 1: brought us this song, which I have always considered one
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  Speaker 1: of his absolute best, and he passed away this weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Neil Sedaka left us at eighty six Country Roads.
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  Speaker 4: It's Thoughts to Raid and.
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  Speaker 1: Laughter in the Rain. He had a chance to interview
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  Speaker 1: him about fifteen years ago right here on this station,
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  Speaker 1: and he was one of the kindest, gentlest human beings
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  Speaker 1: in that interview that you could possibly imagine. He wasn't
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  Speaker 1: the most macho man in the world, and he wasn't
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  Speaker 1: a tough guy at all, but he was genuinely a
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  Speaker 1: pleasure to talk to a singer, songwriter, entertainer. We have
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  Speaker 1: so few of them left, and we lost him, So goodbye, Neil.
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  Speaker 1: He has left the building.