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The Kenny Report | 2 September · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to another week on the Kenny Report. Another major
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Speaker 2: development in that gold Mine and the secret Indigenous grounds
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Speaker 2: for the ban. Indigenous leaders say their culture is being
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Speaker 2: weaponized for politics. Treasurer Jim Chalmers tries to blame the
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Speaker 2: Reserve Bank for smashing the economy, but ends up in
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Speaker 2: an argument with himself the pure evil of hummus as
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Speaker 2: six Israeli hostages are slaughtered almost eleven months after they
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Speaker 2: were kidnapped. I'll also look at good nukes versus bad nukes,
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Speaker 2: whether library should be pushing gender diversity onto our kids,
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Speaker 2: and astoundingly, how Victorian taxpayers will pay for the Glasgow
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Speaker 2: Commonwealth Games.
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Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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Speaker 2: As you all know, labor promised to ease the cost
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Speaker 2: of living crisis, but they've made it worse, and they
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Speaker 2: continue to make it worse. And they either just don't
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Speaker 2: get it or they just don't care, probably a horrible
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Speaker 2: combination of both. This is all coming into sharp focus
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Speaker 2: again as your costs keep going up, your mortgage repayments
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Speaker 2: remain crippling, your power prices keep soaring, and unemployment starts
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Speaker 2: to creep up with figures out this Wednesday expected to
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Speaker 2: show the economy slowing down even further, and the Treasurer,
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Speaker 2: Jim Chalmers, has created a stir with his line delivered
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Speaker 2: to the morning media today that interest rates are smashing
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Speaker 2: the economy. Charmers is obviously trying to soften us up
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Speaker 2: for bad news, so he said, with all this global
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Speaker 2: uncertainty on top of the impact of rate risers which
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Speaker 2: are smashing the economy, it would be no surprise at
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Speaker 2: all if the national accounts on Wednesday show growth is
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Speaker 2: soft and subdued.
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Speaker 1: Not only is that.
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Speaker 2: Softening us up for a slowing economy and for a
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Speaker 2: higher unemployment and talk about whether we slide into recession,
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Speaker 2: it also sounds a hell of a lot like blame shifting,
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Speaker 2: like buck passing to the Reserve Bank for keeping interest
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Speaker 2: rates high. But labor spent the day trying to hose
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Speaker 2: down charmers strong language.
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Speaker 3: The Treasurer's comments were absolutely nothing new. He has made
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Speaker 3: the comment about the economy slowing for a long period.
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Speaker 2: Of time, nothing new, hey, and Chalmers himself was suddenly
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Speaker 2: trying to soothe the tone of his own blame game
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Speaker 2: and his own retrick.
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Speaker 4: The comments that I made overnight. Those are things that
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Speaker 4: I've been saying for some months now. They're not new comments.
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Speaker 4: Our objectives are aligned with the Reserve Bank, but we
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Speaker 4: have different responsibilities. I take responsibility for the government's economic plan,
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Speaker 4: which is all about turning big liberal deficits into big
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Speaker 4: labor surpluses.
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Speaker 2: You just can't believe anything these people say, because this
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Speaker 2: is charmers trying to pretend that black is white.
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Speaker 1: He's spinning away his own words. Today.
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Speaker 2: He says interest rates are smashing the economy, and he
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Speaker 2: says that that's nothing new, when all we have to
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Speaker 2: do is go back to last month, and he was
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Speaker 2: saying exactly the opposite, saying the government was all about
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Speaker 2: making sure the economy did not get smashed.
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Speaker 4: We're rolling out cost of living help. We're turning liberal
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Speaker 4: deficits into labor surpluses. We're paying down debt. We're fighting
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Speaker 4: inflation in a way that doesn't smash the economy. Our
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Speaker 4: economic plan, as I said, is all about fighting inflation
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Speaker 4: and easing cost living pressures without smashing the economy. I
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Speaker 4: think what we've seen here is a welcome outcome because
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Speaker 4: it recognizes that we can continue the fight against inflation
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Speaker 4: without smashing our economy.
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Speaker 1: Charmers just weeks ago.
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Speaker 2: But today he says the economy is being smashed, and
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Speaker 2: he says this is nothing new.
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Speaker 1: He's been saying that all along.
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Speaker 2: Give us a break and if you reckon, that's pathetic,
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Speaker 2: have a listen to the Prime Minister absolve himself of responsibility.
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Speaker 3: The global economy is under pressure. Inflation isn't something that
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Speaker 3: is unique to Australia, far from it.
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Speaker 2: Really, it's all about global pressures. Don't blame the alb
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Speaker 2: and easy labor government. Well, our inflation rate is still
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Speaker 2: too high at three and a half percent when the
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Speaker 2: aim is to have it below three percent, and as
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Speaker 2: you can see from this OECD graph, the inflation rate
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Speaker 2: is already below three percent that is where we want
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Speaker 2: it incomparable major economies like Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the.
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Speaker 1: UK and the US.
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Speaker 2: But our Prime minister tries to pretend it's only global
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Speaker 2: factors at play. The clear reality is that Labour's unrestrained
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Speaker 2: spending a federal and state levels, along with its reregulation
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Speaker 2: of the labor market putting upward pressure on prices, and
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Speaker 2: its renewable zelotry pushing power prices ever skywards putting up
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Speaker 2: towards pressure on all prices. These are all the factors
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Speaker 2: that are forcing the Reserve Bank to keep interest rates high.
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Speaker 1: But Albo says someone else is responsible.
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Speaker 3: The global economy is under pressure inflace. Isn't something that
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Speaker 3: is unique to Australia.
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Speaker 1: Far from it?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you can sense it, can't you?
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Speaker 1: You know what all that means, don't you?
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Speaker 4: Alb says is not fonsible shut not shot answer for
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Speaker 4: gets a due he thinks.
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Speaker 5: Is not not notsi shut.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 2: They reckon they're not responsible when in fact they're culpable,
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Speaker 2: and they wonder why they're struggling in the polls. It
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Speaker 2: looks like we're heading for stormy economic and political waters.
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Speaker 1: The controversy over that.
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Speaker 2: Gold mine and Labour's ban based on so called indigenous
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Speaker 2: cultural secrets won't be going away. On the weekend, The
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Speaker 2: Australian revealed that the Minister Tanya plib Sect overruled her
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Speaker 2: own internal advice to slap the heritage ban on the
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Speaker 2: Tailings Dam, jeopardizing the entire mind even though the relevant
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Speaker 2: Orange Local Aboriginal Land Council had no objections. You'll remember
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Speaker 2: Senior Wrajurie man and former State Land Council member Roy
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Speaker 2: RC told me on Thursday he thinks the basis of
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Speaker 2: the cultural claim might be fake and we've.
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Speaker 6: Got an average older is a man who speaks with authority,
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Speaker 6: and he believes that it's fabricated, that what they're saying
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Speaker 6: is you know, isn't true at all, and you know,
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Speaker 6: and it makes a mockery of our processes and of.
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Speaker 2: Our This obviously needs careful investigation and late today the
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Speaker 2: New South Wales Aboriginal Land Council has brought into the
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Speaker 2: debate for the first time, demanding reform of the law
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Speaker 2: because of the issues highlighted by this episode. I can
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Speaker 2: show you what they've said now. In a strongly worded statement,
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Speaker 2: the Council has declared its deep concern with the debate
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Speaker 2: surrounding the gold mine and the weaponization of Aboriginal culture
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Speaker 2: to serve political and commercial interests. The council chair Raymond Kelly,
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Speaker 2: goes on to say that Aboriginal cultural heritage should never
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Speaker 2: be used as a pawn for political posturing and advantage,
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Speaker 2: saying the Council is concerned this has occurred and he
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Speaker 2: says they need better systems at state and federal levels
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Speaker 2: that don't divide Indigenous people. In short, the council says,
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Speaker 2: why have land councils if you overrule them with obscure
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Speaker 2: claims from other organizations. So as I say, this issue
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Speaker 2: is huge, much bigger than just one gold mine, and
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Speaker 2: I've got to keep on it. Of course, I want
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Speaker 2: you to first though, have a listened to what the
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Speaker 2: minister claimed this morning when she debated the issue with
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Speaker 2: Barnaby Joyce on Breakfast television.
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Speaker 7: Varnamy is saying that this is secretive, it's so secretive.
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Speaker 7: I put out a press release.
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Speaker 2: Really, it's not secret now because she put out a
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Speaker 2: press release. But this is what her press release said.
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Speaker 2: Some of these traditions have been disclosed to me privately
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Speaker 2: and must remain confidential due to their cultural sensitivity. But
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Speaker 2: today the minister tries this line.
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Speaker 7: Arnemy is saying that this is secretive, it's so secretive,
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Speaker 7: I put out a press release.
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Speaker 2: Seriously, these people, they spin so hard, they confuse themselves
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Speaker 2: and they make all of us dizzy.
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Speaker 8: But let's have a.
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Speaker 2: Listen to a little more of what Tanya Plubisek had
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Speaker 2: to say.
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Speaker 7: I've said very clearly that the gold mine can go ahead,
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Speaker 7: but that they have to find a new site for
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Speaker 7: the tailings dam that is not going to destroy the
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Speaker 7: Blubula River, which is important to local Indigenous people.
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Speaker 2: This is a very revealing comment because she talks about
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Speaker 2: destroying the river, but the environmental approvals were already granted
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Speaker 2: by state and federal governments. They satisfied themselves that the
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Speaker 2: river was not going to be destroyed. The project was
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Speaker 2: approved on environmental grounds, and now the Environment Minister no
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Speaker 2: less uses emotive terms about the environment to justify her
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Speaker 2: ban on indigenous cultural grounds, and she goes on.
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Speaker 7: A lot of local farmers who don't want this tailings
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Speaker 7: dam built at the headquarters of the river because they
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Speaker 7: are worrying about their sheep and goach and honey businesses
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Speaker 7: down the river. They're worried about that compact as well.
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Speaker 2: So now it's all about the environment and the farmers
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Speaker 2: and the river.
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Speaker 1: Yet the dam was banned on.
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Speaker 2: Secret indigenous heritage grounds, which is it.
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Speaker 1: Surely we wouldn't.
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Speaker 2: Be seeing a dodgy indigenous claim used to achieve an
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Speaker 2: environmental outcome. Surely we wouldn't see people use indigenous culture
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Speaker 2: to achieve greeny outcomes. Surely no one would stoop.
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Speaker 1: That low, would they.
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Speaker 2: Well, we know they could, because that's exactly what happened
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Speaker 2: at High Marsh Island three decades ago with the so
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Speaker 2: called Secret Women's Business. The search for truth will go
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Speaker 2: on in this case, but it seems to me that
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Speaker 2: Barnaby Joyce might already be pretty close to it.
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Speaker 9: And in the central West of New South Wales, they're
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Speaker 9: just screaming from the roof, how did you do this
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Speaker 9: to us? And that's all we're having with the so
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Speaker 9: called Environmental Defenders Office. They don't want to defend the environment.
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Speaker 9: They want a sort of quasi form of socialism. When
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Speaker 9: nothing happens.
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Speaker 2: When local indigenous leaders are ringing the alarm bell, when
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Speaker 2: Indigenous people are worried their culture is being misused for
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Speaker 2: political ends, it's time to be very alarmed and to
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Speaker 2: keep pursuing the facts.
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Speaker 1: I'll have more on this later.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister and his deputy, the Defense Minister, Richard Males,
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Speaker 2: were in Western Australia today heralding the Orchest Deal and
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Speaker 2: boasting how for the first time ever, Australian Navy personnel
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Speaker 2: were helping to maintain a nuclear submarine. The USS Hawaii
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Speaker 2: a Virginia class fast attack submarine. The Australian personnel were
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Speaker 2: embedded on a US maintenance vessel, and what might seem
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Speaker 2: a small step for them is a massive leaped forward
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Speaker 2: for Australia's nuclear powered defense future.
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Speaker 10: This is the first maintenance that we will be doing,
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Speaker 10: or we've done in Australia on a nuclear powered submarine,
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Speaker 10: and in that sense it is prefer foundly significant. It
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Speaker 10: is being undertaken by American and Australian service personnel working together.
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Speaker 2: Okay, well done Defense Minister, Well done Albanezi Labor government
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Speaker 2: for taking Orcus forward. And I think we should all
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Speaker 2: be absolutely clear about what happens on a nuclear powered submarine.
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Speaker 2: I mean, presumably Miles and Elbow know this stuff. Nuclear
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Speaker 2: power simply works by generating heat. The heat is used
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Speaker 2: to create steam, and in a sophisticated version of the
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Speaker 2: same technology that drove the first trains, the steam drives
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Speaker 2: the submarine and it's also used to generate electricity to
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Speaker 2: run the systems.
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Speaker 1: He's a little explainer.
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Speaker 11: The heat for this nuclear reactor is used to generate steam.
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Speaker 11: This steam is then used to rotate a series of turbines,
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Speaker 11: forcing the bleeds to turn at a high speed.
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Speaker 8: In a more.
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Speaker 11: Simplified animation, these then drove the propellers, moving this ten thousand,
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Speaker 11: two hundred tons underwater beasts at a speed of forty
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Speaker 11: six kilometers per hour or twenty eight miles per hour.
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Speaker 11: This is unlimited energy about twenty years without needing to refuel,
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Speaker 11: and only limited by the sailor's food supply.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Remarkable pieces of machinery, aren't they. And of course, the
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Speaker 2: technology that produces reliable electricity in more than twenty of
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Speaker 2: the world's largest economies is pretty much the same. The
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Speaker 2: nuclear reactor turns water into steam, and the steam pushes
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Speaker 2: turbines to generate electricity. So Labor is left trying to
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Speaker 2: explain why maintaining a nuclear powered submarine off Freemantle or
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Speaker 2: sending Australian sailors to see in nuclear powered submarines is okay.
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Speaker 1: In fact, it's state of the art, but.
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Speaker 2: Using the same technology to generate emissions free electricity on
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Speaker 2: our shores is somehow wrong or danger us or too hard.
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Speaker 2: According to Labor, nuclear power on boats is good nukes.
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Speaker 2: Nuclear power on land is bad nukes. Labour needs to
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Speaker 2: get over politics and ideology and do what's best for
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Speaker 2: Australia and our power crisis. Let's now bring in Shadow
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Speaker 2: treasurer Angus Taylor, who.
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Speaker 1: Joins me from his Electric Good to talk to you. Angus.
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Speaker 2: First point here is Jim Chalmers now saying that interest
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Speaker 2: rates are smashing the economy. Up until now he's been
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Speaker 2: saying that all his policies are aimed at making sure
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Speaker 2: they don't smash the economy.
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Speaker 12: Well, after three failed budgets, it's clear that the Treasure
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Speaker 12: is giving up on the big fight here, which is
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Speaker 12: the fight against inflation. He wants to fight everyone and
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Speaker 12: everything but inflation, Chris, and that's exactly what we've seen
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Speaker 12: with him fighting the Reserve Bank in recent days, fighting
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Speaker 12: Peter Dutton and the Opposition, of course, fighting the Productivity Commission,
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Speaker 12: fighting his own mentor poor keeping over superannuation taxes, and frankly,
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Speaker 12: fighting the laws of economics where he thinks you can
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Speaker 12: see a collapse in labor productivity and at the same
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Speaker 12: time you can be throwing money at the economy and
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Speaker 12: somehow inflation goes away. Well it's not. Our inflation is stuck.
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Speaker 12: We're at the back of the pack in dealing with it.
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Speaker 12: Our inflation is higher than any other major advanced country
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Speaker 12: and we're the only one where it hasn't come down
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Speaker 12: since January. And not surprisingly as to other countries like
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Speaker 12: Canada and the UK, Europe are seeing interest rates coming down,
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Speaker 12: not in Australia. He has veiled, and now he's just
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Speaker 12: lashing out at everybody.
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Speaker 2: He must be worried about the economic growth figures the
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Speaker 2: National Account's coming out on Wednesday, because.
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Speaker 1: It's a dramatic change in language.
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Speaker 2: He's been arguing all year that his policies are preventing
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Speaker 2: the economy being smashed. Now he's saying it's being smashed.
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Speaker 2: So what are you expecting to see come Wednesday.
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Speaker 12: Well, he should be worried about the numbers coming out
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Speaker 12: on Wednesday because the expectation is it will be the
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Speaker 12: sixth quarter in a row where Jerdi peeper person has
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Speaker 12: either flatlined or gone backwards. Six quarters in a row.
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Speaker 12: Our economy has shuddered to a halt. Inflation is stuck
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Speaker 12: up around four percent. He's trying to manipulate the numbers
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Speaker 12: to convince people that things are getting better. They're not,
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Speaker 12: and no Australian is seeing the economy improving. We've seen
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Speaker 12: real disposable incomes. That's our standard of living. Chris absolutely
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Speaker 12: at the back of the pack. It's collapsed by almost
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Speaker 12: ten percent in the two years Labor's been in power.
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Speaker 12: And it's not surprising then Australian households are in deep trouble,
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Speaker 12: struggling to make ends meet at a time when this
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Speaker 12: government has not been focused on the number one five,
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Speaker 12: which is the focused inflation.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's a per capita recession, as we all know,
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Speaker 2: and I suppose the big question is whether we end
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Speaker 2: up driving the economy into a proper recession. But the
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Speaker 2: per capita recession certainly hurts people now in Newspot today,
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Speaker 2: we've now got the coalition and labor lockdown fifty to
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Speaker 2: fifty again when it comes to the political battle, the
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Speaker 2: voting battle. But I want to have a look at
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Speaker 2: assessments of the economy and Newspot tested what people thought
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Speaker 2: might happen to inflation under a coalition government. Now eighteen
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Speaker 2: percent said it would be higher, that'd be a bunch
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Speaker 2: of Greens and whatnot. Twenty four percent of voters, nearly
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Speaker 2: a quarter of them said the coalition would get inflation
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Speaker 2: down forty one.
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Speaker 1: Percent, though the largest chunk.
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Speaker 2: May I just say it would be the same and
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Speaker 2: seventeen percent unsure.
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Speaker 1: This is the critical contest for.
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Speaker 2: The political battle and the economic debate leading up to
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Speaker 2: the election, is Angus Taylor. You have to convince people
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Speaker 2: that you can get inflation down lower, therefore interest rates down.
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Speaker 2: The only way to do that is to reduce spending really,
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Speaker 2: and of course labor are screaming at it already about
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Speaker 2: where you're going to cut.
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Speaker 12: Well, I think there's more than just one lever to
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Speaker 12: get inflation down, Chris, but the one you raise is
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Speaker 12: an important one, and that's why we've opposed over ninety
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Speaker 12: two billion dollars of spending through the Parliament. And Labour
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Speaker 12: likes to make a big deal of the fact that
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Speaker 12: we don't want to build tens of thousands of kilometers
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Speaker 12: of power lines and aren't prepared to fund that, but
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Speaker 12: we shouldn't. It's the wrong policy for this nation. They're
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Speaker 12: backing housing policies that are not building a house and
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Speaker 12: we don't support that kind of spending. So spending is
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Speaker 12: a big deal and it's why we have opposed very
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Speaker 12: significant spending that Labour's pushing through. But there's other ways
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Speaker 12: that you can get put downward pressure on inflation as well.
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Speaker 12: We've seen a population growth in this country of over
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Speaker 12: one point two million, largely immigration, and that's putting extra
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Speaker 12: pressure on inflation, particularly housing costs at a time when
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Speaker 12: we simply haven't been able to keep the housing supply up.
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Speaker 12: And we're seeing industrial relations policies which are crashing businesses
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Speaker 12: and particularly small businesses. We're seeing real pain from those
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Speaker 12: policies now and they put extra pressure on inflation as well.
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Speaker 12: So there's many levers. We're pulling them all. We do
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Speaker 12: what this opposition has done from the start, Chris. We
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Speaker 12: make hard calls, and we make hard calls when they
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Speaker 12: may not be popular.
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Speaker 8: You saw that with the Voice.
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Speaker 12: But over time we'll keep making the case and I'm
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Speaker 12: confident as we approach the next election, as Australians have
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Speaker 12: to make a choice, they'll choose against a government that
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Speaker 12: has failed to live up to its promises and has
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Speaker 12: failed the Australian people in terms of their standards of living.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, national security and border protection and immigration are all
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Speaker 2: going to be important in the election, but number one
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Speaker 2: will always be the economy. So we'll keep in touch
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Speaker 2: over that. Angus Taylor thanks for joining us. Angus Taylor
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Speaker 2: there the Shadow Treasure and now I want to go
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Speaker 2: to the news out of Israel. On the weekend, it.
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Speaker 1: Was just terrible.
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Speaker 2: Six hostages murdered by Humas just when there were hopes
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Speaker 2: that they might be freed. Now I watched more videotape
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Speaker 2: of the October seven atrocities today sent some new material.
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Speaker 1: It was gut wrenching. It makes you despair for humanity.
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Speaker 2: But to think that these six people could have been
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Speaker 2: taken amid that atrocity and then held by Hummas in
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Speaker 2: the tunnels for almost eleven months and then slaughtered in
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Speaker 2: cold blood, it.
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Speaker 1: Is just pure evil. It is unimaginable evil.
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Speaker 2: One of the murdered hostages was an American citizen, Hirsh
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Speaker 2: Goldberg Pollen and look at how CNN reported his slaughter.
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Speaker 1: Hirsh has died.
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Speaker 2: His family says has died of what food poisoning, a fever,
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Speaker 2: a snake bite. This is typical of the sanitization of
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Speaker 2: Hummas atrocities. These hostages were slaughtered in acts of due
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Speaker 2: hating Islamist terrorism, and media needs to be clear about that.
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Speaker 2: Activists try to pretend this is all this stuff from
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Speaker 2: hummus is some form of political resistance sickens me. At
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Speaker 2: least the Adelaide Advertiser gave this story the prominence it
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Speaker 2: deserved today, while for much of the media it was
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Speaker 2: merely a foot night. Remember, there are still one hundred
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Speaker 2: hostages either held alive or whose bodies are still held
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Speaker 2: by Hamas in Israel. Many people understandabley would do anything,
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Speaker 2: perhaps surrender anything to get them back. Here is the
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Speaker 2: latest report on the six murdered hostages from Sky News UK.
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Speaker 13: Four of the dead were buried on Sunday afternoon. Their
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Speaker 13: bodies had been found in Gaza less than twenty four
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Speaker 13: hours beforehand. Hundreds walked in near silence and disbelief that
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Speaker 13: the funeral of Almog Serusi. He was twenty seven years old.
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Speaker 13: These were funerals to their families and all Israelis prayed
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Speaker 13: would never happen. These six young men and women were
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Speaker 13: alive until a few days ago. It had been expected
21:57
Speaker 13: that they would have been some of the first released
21:58
Speaker 13: in a hostage deal. Their deaths in a tunnel in
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Speaker 13: southern Gaza have sent shock waves around Israel. Tonight, in Jerusalem,
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Speaker 13: crowds gathered outside the Parliament building in the Prime Minister's office,
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Speaker 13: the centers of power that they believe have failed them.
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Speaker 13: In central Tel Aviv, hundreds of thousands took to the
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Speaker 13: streets at the main protest outside the Defense Ministry.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in Liberal Senator Dave Shama, who was Australia's
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Speaker 2: ambassador to Israel for four years.
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Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Dave.
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Speaker 2: I'll talk about some of the political and diplomatic consequences
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Speaker 2: in a moment, but first up, just your reaction to
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Speaker 2: these six murders. Why would Hamas have done this? What's
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Speaker 2: triggered this?
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Speaker 14: Well, it's obviously terribly sad and a terrible tragedy. Five
22:49
Speaker 14: of these Israelis have been taken from that Nova music
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Speaker 14: festival in the town of Raim. One of them was
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Speaker 14: taken from Kibutberi. I was in both of those locations
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Speaker 14: just a few months ago, and you know, these people
23:01
Speaker 14: have been held in in terrible conditions for I think
23:04
Speaker 14: three hundred and thirty one days now, and for them
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Speaker 14: to be killed by Hamas within potentially hours of their
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Speaker 14: rescue is just horrific, beyond all belief. And I can
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Speaker 14: understand their families are devastated.
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Speaker 1: I presume.
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Speaker 14: I mean, all the evidence suggested that Hamas murdered these
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Speaker 14: hostages when it became clear that it was not going
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Speaker 14: to be able to use them as leverage or to
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Speaker 14: trade them in some way, because there was a risk
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Speaker 14: that the IDF would.
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Speaker 1: Recapture the life.
23:30
Speaker 14: So rather than allow that to happen, they put bullets
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Speaker 14: into their bodies and put an end to their life,
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Speaker 14: which just shows you the terrible disregard they have for
23:39
Speaker 14: any sort of human life.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they are indeed a death cult, as Tonyobitt describes them.
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Speaker 1: I want to get to the politics.
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Speaker 2: We've seen the incredible demonstrations in Tel Aviv against the
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Speaker 2: Prime minister. Benjamin nettin Yahoo explained the politics of this
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Speaker 2: to us because a lot of people from Afar will
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Speaker 2: just be saying that they want hit him to stop
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Speaker 2: the war, etc. But it's more complex than that. There
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Speaker 2: are people who are protesting. They can freely protest, of course,
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Speaker 2: against the government in Israel, unlike anyone trying to protest
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Speaker 2: against Hamas in Gaza. But the point is here that
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Speaker 2: a lot of people believe he should just give up
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Speaker 2: anything he can to get the hostages back, right.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, Look, I mean there's a lot of families of
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Speaker 14: hostages and you know, no criticism of them. If I
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Speaker 14: was in that position, I'm sure I'd be behaving the
24:28
Speaker 14: same way. Who think that a cease fire ideal must
24:31
Speaker 14: be made on any terms and under any conditions. Now
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Speaker 14: nessa Yahoo, I think, with Israel's security interests in mind,
24:38
Speaker 14: has been insisting that the idea of retaining control of
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Speaker 14: a few key pieces of territory in Gaza, that the
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Speaker 14: border crossing with Egypt and the corridor down the middle
24:46
Speaker 14: called the nets are in corridor to make sure that
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Speaker 14: HARMAS is not able to regroup and perpetuate another October,
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Speaker 14: the seventh down the track. That's you know, putting aside
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Speaker 14: what harmasa's view is, and there's reasons to doubt whether
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Speaker 14: they've got any desire to reach a cease fire agreement whatsoever.
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Speaker 14: This is the sort of debate that's happening within Israel,
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Speaker 14: and I think the hostage families and those protests that
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Speaker 14: you saw add in full force on Sunday, are insisting
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Speaker 14: the Nettano who needs to weaken the security elements of
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Speaker 14: his approach to this deal and prioritize the release the hostages.
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Speaker 14: As I said, understandable from where they sit, but from
25:23
Speaker 14: where he sits as Prime Minister, he's got to balance, frankly,
25:27
Speaker 14: some almost irreconcilable objectives there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, thanks so much, Dave.
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Speaker 2: I appreciate Dave Shama there with the latest analysis of
25:35
Speaker 2: what's been transpiring in the Middle East.
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Speaker 1: Now don't go away.
25:38
Speaker 2: After the break, I'm going to be joined by Gematon
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Speaker 2: Uni and Caroline Drusso we'll talk about library staff in
25:43
Speaker 2: Victoria being asked to check in with kids about their
25:46
Speaker 2: preferred pronouns, and also why Anthony Albernezi just might be
25:50
Speaker 2: holding off tying.
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Speaker 1: Them not don't go away.
25:58
Speaker 2: Well, let's get into the panel with Gematonienni from GT
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Speaker 2: Communications on the desk. I think good to see you
26:03
Speaker 2: in person again, and Caroline der also hosts of The
26:06
Speaker 2: Royal Report, joins us from the West.
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Speaker 1: Great to talk to you again. Carry were both on
26:09
Speaker 1: The Royal Report last night, both Royal Correspondence.
26:12
Speaker 15: One is the Royal Correspondent these days, Hero has never
26:16
Speaker 15: asked me for a guest appearance on The Royal Reporter.
26:18
Speaker 1: I wonder why.
26:21
Speaker 2: Look, I want to start with a serious topic this
26:23
Speaker 2: It seems too stupid to be true.
26:26
Speaker 1: Let's have a look.
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Speaker 2: At a little clip from Channel seven explaining what's happening
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Speaker 2: in Victorian libraries.
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Speaker 16: Children as young as five will be asked if they
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Speaker 16: identify as she, he or they as part of a
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Speaker 16: new program being rolled out across public libraries in Victoria.
26:41
Speaker 16: Library staff are being told to ask what their preferred
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Speaker 16: pronouns are for children, avoid gendered language, and offer pronoun badgers, pins,
26:49
Speaker 16: or lanions for any visitors.
26:51
Speaker 17: As part of the.
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Speaker 16: Rainbow Toolkit, Victorian libraries will also add books on gender
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Speaker 16: diversity and promote drag Queen's story time events.
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Speaker 1: Suffer the little children, Jemma, this is just too much.
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Speaker 17: Well, that's sick. They're five, and I would put it
27:06
Speaker 17: this way.
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Speaker 15: In another circumstance, that conversation we would be considered sexual grooming.
27:11
Speaker 15: It would be considered the grounds for various criminal charges.
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Speaker 17: They are five years old. Do they even know what
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Speaker 17: identifying means?
27:20
Speaker 18: Like?
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Speaker 15: Victoria is a broken state.
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Speaker 17: Here is exhibit A.
27:24
Speaker 15: Don't take your kids to libraries in Victoria anymore. Go
27:28
Speaker 15: to your local bookshop, Support your local bookshop, buy some
27:31
Speaker 15: books and read them a home.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, just extraordinary. Carro, I'm in five year olds.
27:35
Speaker 2: I don't even know what a pronoun is, let alone
27:37
Speaker 2: trying to talk to them about gender diversity.
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Speaker 1: No, totally.
27:42
Speaker 18: And you think, like I think back to when I
27:45
Speaker 18: was in primary school and I wanted to be a stockbroker.
27:47
Speaker 18: I mean, imagine how shameful that would have been. Jemma
27:50
Speaker 18: wanted to be a pony and I just let them
27:55
Speaker 18: You wanted to be, Well, let's see, but you know,
27:58
Speaker 18: let's just let them do. Let them just read books.
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Speaker 18: I mean, we should be more focused on kids going
28:04
Speaker 18: into libraries to read books so that they that were
28:07
Speaker 18: getting better education standards, not this sort of this this,
28:12
Speaker 18: like Jemma said, it bored us on grooming. It's actually
28:15
Speaker 18: a little bit terrifying.
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Speaker 17: But this is very late republic Chris.
28:19
Speaker 18: This is this is governments getting involved in stuff which
28:23
Speaker 18: is absolutely none of their business when they're not doing
28:26
Speaker 18: the job they should be doing. Like if I was
28:28
Speaker 18: the Allen government, I would be more focused on that
28:30
Speaker 18: fifteen billion dollar overrun on that seven kilometers of rail
28:35
Speaker 18: link that they haven't been able to sort out. So
28:38
Speaker 18: how about you deal with that and not worry about
28:40
Speaker 18: who's calling what little kid in a library?
28:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, unbelievable. Stuff.
28:45
Speaker 2: Now, Geena, I've got it speaking about talking about learning
28:47
Speaker 2: to read and reading books. Boy, did a lot of
28:50
Speaker 2: people like reading Gema's column on the Weekend. Gemma, you've
28:53
Speaker 2: hinted out here many times, but you wrote in The
28:57
Speaker 2: Australian about why you broke up with your tesla.
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Speaker 1: Else people loved it.
29:01
Speaker 17: Abuse of relationship. I should joke about that. Please will
29:04
Speaker 17: give me look it was. It was. I was very
29:06
Speaker 17: happy to.
29:07
Speaker 15: Make lash of my experience and to take the proverbial
29:11
Speaker 15: out of myself because, like I said.
29:12
Speaker 17: I drank the kool aid, I ran headfirst into the mist.
29:15
Speaker 15: And the interesting response to this column, which was, as
29:18
Speaker 15: you say, quite overwhelming, was the people who were cranky
29:22
Speaker 15: about my view. It was almost like a cultish reptile
29:25
Speaker 15: sense that you did the wrong thing.
29:27
Speaker 1: You did this.
29:28
Speaker 15: It's and it's almost like they didn't read the part
29:31
Speaker 15: where I said they work for some people, they didn't
29:34
Speaker 15: work for me, and hear.
29:36
Speaker 17: All the reasons why.
29:38
Speaker 15: And by the way, let's not call green energy green
29:41
Speaker 15: when it involves cutting down native fauna habitat, when it
29:45
Speaker 15: involves producing fossil fossil feels.
29:48
Speaker 17: But the minerals and the and the.
29:49
Speaker 15: Things required in minds that would never be allowed to
29:52
Speaker 15: operate in Australia.
29:54
Speaker 17: Like it's an.
29:54
Speaker 15: Absolutely dishonest conversation. So I actually have the last two
30:00
Speaker 15: weeks been driving around without having to think about charging
30:04
Speaker 15: my car and sitting in car parks, and the freedom
30:07
Speaker 15: is glorious.
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Speaker 1: I'm not even a kidding.
30:09
Speaker 17: Like it works for some people, it doesn't work for me.
30:11
Speaker 2: Well, you know you don't have to. I don't have
30:14
Speaker 2: to fill up my diesel very often. And I jumped
30:17
Speaker 2: into it on Sunday actually, and my wife had.
30:18
Speaker 8: Thought of that for me.
30:19
Speaker 17: How she's a good woman in your wife, she's not bad,
30:23
Speaker 17: She's not bad.
30:24
Speaker 1: Now let's move on from Snita for just a moment.
30:29
Speaker 1: I want to get your thoughts car on. This is
30:32
Speaker 1: really good. Actually do this on the royal report.
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Speaker 2: The wedding of the Prime Minister to be and the
30:40
Speaker 2: first Lady, I mean, apparently this might be postponed.
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Speaker 1: To her after the after the election.
30:45
Speaker 2: I reckon, if he put on a wedding before the election,
30:48
Speaker 2: there's so much cynicism about what he's doing, it would
30:51
Speaker 2: be really a bad look for him. But will you
30:53
Speaker 2: have any of these political considerations in mind?
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Speaker 18: Everything is a political can con federation, absolutely, and the
31:02
Speaker 18: only reason they would likely not have the wedding now
31:05
Speaker 18: is because there is quite literally a cost of living
31:08
Speaker 18: crisis on and if the prime ministers of having some
31:11
Speaker 18: big shindig spending up big and having you know, all
31:15
Speaker 18: the fanciness and and all the celebs and all of
31:18
Speaker 18: that sort of thing coming around to celebrate while the
31:21
Speaker 18: rest of the country is struggling, it would go down
31:25
Speaker 18: like the proverbial, so you know, almost points for self awareness, right,
31:30
Speaker 18: I would be putting it off till after the election
31:32
Speaker 18: as well, even though Chris, let's be honest, we actually
31:36
Speaker 18: shouldn't care. But the fact of the matter is is
31:39
Speaker 18: labor makes so many things that are the private lives
31:42
Speaker 18: of other people political, and the fact that this here
31:45
Speaker 18: will have a political lens put over it should actually
31:48
Speaker 18: surprise no one given the nature of current politics.
31:51
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you're right, we shouldn't care, and you
31:54
Speaker 2: want people to have their personal happiness, but this is
31:56
Speaker 2: this is political, right.
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Speaker 15: Oh, one hundred percent, because everybody loves a wedding, like everybody.
32:01
Speaker 15: I mean, I wish them well, I don't know either
32:03
Speaker 15: of them. I expect to never meet either of them.
32:06
Speaker 17: In my life. I wish them well, but I think
32:09
Speaker 17: you know, it would look terrible unless it was a quiet.
32:13
Speaker 15: Intimate yeah, reading, but we know that it's probably not
32:17
Speaker 15: going to And they're like, they're entitled to have the
32:19
Speaker 15: wedding of their choose, of.
32:20
Speaker 1: Their choosing at the time of their choosing.
32:22
Speaker 15: I would say, is when you're the prime minister of
32:24
Speaker 15: the country, the rules stop applying.
32:26
Speaker 17: That's the thing.
32:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have public properties to agree.
32:30
Speaker 15: Have a responsibility to lead, and leadership is about purpose
32:33
Speaker 15: over preference.
32:34
Speaker 2: Let have a quick trip across to the Great Republican
32:37
Speaker 2: see what George Clooney has had to say about his
32:39
Speaker 2: former great mate and political hero Joe Biden.
32:43
Speaker 19: What should be remembered as the selfless act of someone
32:48
Speaker 19: who you know, it's very hard to let go of power.
32:51
Speaker 19: You know, we know that we've seen it, you know,
32:53
Speaker 19: all around the world. And for someone to say I
32:56
Speaker 19: think there's a better way forward, that's all the credit
33:00
Speaker 19: goes down.
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Speaker 1: Selfless act. I had to show that because it kills me.
33:05
Speaker 1: This bloke.
33:06
Speaker 2: Just in June, George Clooney was hosting this multi million
33:10
Speaker 2: dollar extravaganza fundraiser for Biden, and I.
33:12
Speaker 1: Think this is the event where Biden was so lost.
33:16
Speaker 2: And befuddled that Obama had to lead him off stage.
33:19
Speaker 2: Yet back then Clooney and his mates were tipping in
33:21
Speaker 2: millions and barracking for him to be re elected.
33:24
Speaker 17: Made no mistake.
33:25
Speaker 15: Joe Biden has got two hand prints, probably hundreds of
33:28
Speaker 15: hand pricks in his back on the back of his suit.
33:32
Speaker 17: There is no part of him that was magnanimous about it.
33:34
Speaker 15: He was pushed, he saw the freight train coming straight
33:38
Speaker 15: for him, and he made a decision.
33:40
Speaker 17: He made the only decision that was available to him.
33:43
Speaker 15: There was nothing gracious or self sacrificing about that decision.
33:47
Speaker 15: These people are insufferable, and the American public when actors
33:52
Speaker 15: try to tell them how to vote, flip them the
33:54
Speaker 15: bird and vote.
33:54
Speaker 17: The other way.
33:56
Speaker 1: Good advice, good advice. We are all out of time.
33:58
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Caroline and Gematine Yini, And just an.
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Speaker 2: Update on that, I can inform you that Joe Biden
34:05
Speaker 2: is currently still sitting on a beach in Delaware.
34:07
Speaker 1: So who knows who's running the show.
34:09
Speaker 2: We've got to get to a break on the other
34:11
Speaker 2: side of that, that gold mine and indigenous culture.
34:13
Speaker 1: Who's right and who's wrong.
34:15
Speaker 2: Also, Victorian taxpayers long suffering. Looks like they're going to
34:19
Speaker 2: fund the twenty twenty six Glasgow Commonwealth Games. Find out
34:23
Speaker 2: how After the break, I want to get back on
34:31
Speaker 2: to this issue of Indigenous cultural heritage claims and the
34:35
Speaker 2: resources industry and other developments in this country. And we'll
34:37
Speaker 2: go to our back Queensland now and catch up with
34:39
Speaker 2: Shadow Resources Minister Susan McDonald. Thanks for joining us, Susan.
34:44
Speaker 2: I've brought some new information into this debate earlier in
34:48
Speaker 2: the program because the New South Wales Aboriginal Land Council
34:51
Speaker 2: has put out a statement. They're complaining about the weaponization
34:55
Speaker 2: of Aboriginal culture to serve political and commercial interests and
34:59
Speaker 2: they want to view of Aboriginal cultural heritage laws. They're
35:02
Speaker 2: saying that it's being used as a pawn for political
35:05
Speaker 2: posturing and advantage.
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Speaker 1: Well, what needs to.
35:09
Speaker 2: Happen here, because clearly there are competing indigenous claims. Some
35:13
Speaker 2: are suggesting that some secret claims here could have been fabricated.
35:18
Speaker 1: How do we get to the bottom of it? What
35:20
Speaker 1: does the law tell us about this?
35:23
Speaker 20: Great to be with you, chres N I'm and bulla
35:25
Speaker 20: home of the mid Men Life start of the outback way,
35:28
Speaker 20: but importantly are the start of important mining projects.
35:33
Speaker 5: Where's the certainty? Now, where's the certainty?
35:36
Speaker 20: Both for miners, for investors, for agricultural businesses, but importantly
35:41
Speaker 20: also for Indigenous people.
35:43
Speaker 5: We need the confidence that if.
35:45
Speaker 20: They are the recognized landholders in a region, that they
35:49
Speaker 20: are the ones who are taken seriously. There needs to
35:53
Speaker 20: be a complete overhaul of this. There needs to be
35:55
Speaker 20: an examination of who is the rightful speakers for that
35:59
Speaker 20: community and that they can't have other people come in
36:03
Speaker 20: and ride roughshot over their views. It is shocking to
36:07
Speaker 20: think that the minister made these decisions and on latest
36:11
Speaker 20: reporting for you to believe that I take the or
36:14
Speaker 20: not take the advice of her cultural advisor to make
36:17
Speaker 20: the Section ten decision. So now it just sounds like indeed,
36:21
Speaker 20: these people are saying that this is weaponization of indigenous
36:26
Speaker 20: values to try and suit the needs of Green's voters
36:30
Speaker 20: and labor voters and then the city Sydney.
36:33
Speaker 5: I just want places like here.
36:35
Speaker 1: I just want to show you again what roy RC
36:37
Speaker 1: had to say.
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Speaker 2: Now, he's a Wagerie man and he used to sit
36:40
Speaker 2: on the New South Wales Aboriginal Lands Council and he
36:43
Speaker 2: suggests there could be fabrication involved.
36:45
Speaker 8: Here have a look, and.
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Speaker 6: We've got an Abergailer is a man who speaks with authority,
36:54
Speaker 6: and he believes that it's fabricated, that what the saying is,
37:01
Speaker 6: you know, isn't true at all, and you know, and
37:04
Speaker 6: it makes a mockery of our processes.
37:08
Speaker 8: And of our people.
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Speaker 2: It's a big claim to make. A lot needs to
37:12
Speaker 2: be investigated. But there's a billion dollar minor at stake.
37:15
Speaker 2: I've seen a long history of this back to Haimas
37:18
Speaker 2: Island and the secret women's business which was fabricated.
37:21
Speaker 1: What needs to happen now, how do we.
37:24
Speaker 2: Get the federal government to investigate this properly?
37:27
Speaker 5: Well, they need to take it seriously, don't they.
37:29
Speaker 20: They need to give our voice to the lawmakers, to
37:33
Speaker 20: the traditional owners in a region. They need to tighten
37:36
Speaker 20: up the rules because we cannot continue to have groups
37:39
Speaker 20: like the EDO other activist groups weaponizing traditional owners and meaning.
37:45
Speaker 20: And this is the important big Chris, When we talk
37:48
Speaker 20: about a billion dollar mind, what does.
37:49
Speaker 5: That really mean?
37:51
Speaker 20: That means eight hundred jobs in that regional community. That
37:55
Speaker 20: means more kids in school, means more services, more health services.
37:59
Speaker 20: Hopefully it means opportunity those families to be on high
38:03
Speaker 20: paid wages to make a difference in their lives, their
38:06
Speaker 20: family's lives.
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Speaker 2: But we're missing But what's the point of having local
38:12
Speaker 2: Aboriginal land councils if their approval is just overridden by
38:16
Speaker 2: other obscure groups. Surely there should be a body that
38:20
Speaker 2: has the final say of these sorts of approvals and
38:24
Speaker 2: other groups can't come in and override them.
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Speaker 20: That's exactly right, Chris, And that is what we are
38:29
Speaker 20: seeing is that even the minister's cultural advisor in her
38:33
Speaker 20: department did not recommend that she made this decision. So
38:37
Speaker 20: there are checks and balances in place, it seems, but
38:40
Speaker 20: the Minister is disregarding them in order to get Green's
38:43
Speaker 20: preferences in Sydney.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's hope the coalition does something to inquire into this,
38:48
Speaker 2: whether you set upsolute, a Senate inquiry or something.
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Speaker 1: We need to get to the bottom of it. Thanks
38:53
Speaker 1: so much for joining us, Susan.
38:54
Speaker 17: No.
38:54
Speaker 2: I appreciate Susan McDonald and there and Bullier in the
38:57
Speaker 2: outback Queens and I'd like to be out there too.
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Speaker 2: I reckon checking that out now. How about this for
39:03
Speaker 2: a waste of money. Victorian taxpayers will be forced to
39:07
Speaker 2: pay for Scotland to host the twenty twenty six Commonwealth
39:11
Speaker 2: Games after, of course the Victorian government canned them last year.
39:14
Speaker 2: You'll remember that then Premier Daniel Andrews was all smiles
39:18
Speaker 2: when he launched the Games in twenty twenty two. He's
39:20
Speaker 2: a reminder.
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Speaker 21: So that is fantastic news for every Victorian, for our state.
39:27
Speaker 21: These will be a Coomwealth Games like no other. This
39:29
Speaker 21: is also about creating jobs, some nearly four thousand jobs
39:34
Speaker 21: during the Commonwealth Game, some three thousand enduring jobs thereafter.
39:39
Speaker 1: What a farce After the election he scrapped the games.
39:41
Speaker 1: The whole debarkle has cost the state six.
39:44
Speaker 2: Hundred million dollars and a little earlier, tennis legend turned
39:48
Speaker 2: politician Sam Groff shared his disappointment with me about this debarcle.
39:54
Speaker 8: Hey, Chris, first of all, thank you for having me on.
39:56
Speaker 22: And as you mentioned, yes, this is great for the
39:59
Speaker 22: Commonwealth Game as a sporting event.
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Speaker 8: It's great that it's going to find a new home.
40:04
Speaker 22: But from an athlete's point of view, and especially from
40:07
Speaker 22: an Australian athlete's point of view, and i'd also say
40:09
Speaker 22: from an a Victorian's point of view.
40:11
Speaker 8: It's disappointing that these games aren't going to be held.
40:13
Speaker 22: As they were supposed to hear in Regional Victoria or
40:16
Speaker 22: in Victoria as a whole. I'm sure on the back
40:18
Speaker 22: of what was an unbelievable and Olympic Games, for all
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Speaker 22: of those Australian athletes, the next big thing they would
40:24
Speaker 22: have been looking forward to in two years time was
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Speaker 22: to have a games here.
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Speaker 8: In Australia, and unfortunately now that's not going to be
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Speaker 8: the case.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, imagine that all these heroes that we've seen at
40:35
Speaker 2: the Olympics, we could have been looking forward to them
40:37
Speaker 2: in Regional Victoria in twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 1: Is it's a tragedy for the country.
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Speaker 2: It's embarrassing for Australia, but especially for Victorian taxpayers.
40:46
Speaker 1: What about this.
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Speaker 2: Thing in the tail, and that is the compensation the
40:50
Speaker 2: Victorian taxpayers have paid to the Commonwealth Games Association will
40:54
Speaker 2: now be used by Glasgow to put on the games.
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Speaker 1: They reckon. They can put on the.
40:57
Speaker 2: Games for nothing, essentially just using Victoria's money.
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Speaker 22: It's an incredible scenario we find ourselves in now, Chris,
41:05
Speaker 22: as we speak about this, the proposal put forward by
41:08
Speaker 22: Glasgow by the Commonwealth Games, Scotland will receive what looks
41:13
Speaker 22: like one hundred million plus plus pounds of the money
41:16
Speaker 22: that was used.
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Speaker 8: To cancel the Coononwalth Games.
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Speaker 22: Part of that three hundred and eighty million dollar settlement
41:21
Speaker 22: that was paid to the Kononwalth Games Federation. Scotland is
41:24
Speaker 22: now saying they can host the games that will cost
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Speaker 22: their taxpayers nothing, their rate payers nothing, and deliver, yes,
41:31
Speaker 22: a reduced games in scale.
41:34
Speaker 8: But when you think about.
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Speaker 22: The Victorian government then the Premier Daniel Andrews and Jacinta
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Speaker 22: Allen who is now the Premier, who was in charge
41:41
Speaker 22: of Conwalth Games delivery at the time, they came up
41:43
Speaker 22: with a costing of the close to seven billion dollars
41:45
Speaker 22: to run this games in regional Victoria. But the other
41:47
Speaker 22: part that they came up with was a four billion
41:50
Speaker 22: dollar cost if they were to move it back to Melbourne.
41:52
Speaker 22: You've got to remember we call ourselves a sporting capital
41:54
Speaker 22: of the nation down here in Melbourne and Victoria, and
41:57
Speaker 22: of course we are, but we have some incredible assets.
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Speaker 22: The mcg msack three indoor stadiums at Melbourne Park as
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Speaker 22: well as the other things, the other facilities.
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Speaker 8: We have right around the city.
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Speaker 22: There's no reason this games couldn't have been brought back
42:10
Speaker 22: to Melbourne at a reduced cost. We've spent six hundred
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Speaker 22: million dollars total in canceling. If Glasgow can run it
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Speaker 22: at a cost of around two hundred million Australlion dollars,
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Speaker 22: why couldn't we here in Victoria run the games at
42:21
Speaker 22: a reduced cost similar to what they're doing in Glasgow.
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Speaker 8: That still would have delivered a benefit for the state.
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Speaker 2: It is so logical, Yet what's happening seemed so insane
42:31
Speaker 2: sound because Victoria's effectively played three hundred million dollars not
42:36
Speaker 2: to put on the games.
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Speaker 22: Three hundred and eighty million dollars was the payment to
42:40
Speaker 22: the Commwalth Games Federation to break that contract.
42:43
Speaker 8: Over two hundred million dollars in other costs that have
42:45
Speaker 8: gone in the early preparation.
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Speaker 22: Now just into Allen and her government still spooked that
42:50
Speaker 22: they're going to pump a whole bunch of money into
42:52
Speaker 22: regional Victoria, which is fine, you know, we want to
42:55
Speaker 22: see investment in those regions. But we could have held
42:58
Speaker 22: an event here in Albourne and actually use that event
43:01
Speaker 22: we don't do this very well. I've got tourism as
43:04
Speaker 22: part of my portfolio as well as sport and events.
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Speaker 8: Chris.
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Speaker 22: We need to be able to leverage our major events
43:08
Speaker 22: here in Melbourne to get people out to the regions.
43:11
Speaker 22: So when they come for this Train Open or the
43:12
Speaker 22: Grand Prix, or when they should have been coming for
43:14
Speaker 22: the Conwealth Games, use those events to actually push.
43:17
Speaker 8: People to visit the rest of Victoria.
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Speaker 22: It's a missed opportunity for just since Allen for her
43:22
Speaker 22: government down here, and it's.
43:23
Speaker 8: Embarrassment now for Victoria. And I will just make one
43:26
Speaker 8: other point, Chris.
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Speaker 22: If you can run a Comwaalth Games in Glasgow for
43:30
Speaker 22: around two hundred million Australian dollars, the government here saying
43:34
Speaker 22: was going to cost four billion, if you are.
43:36
Speaker 8: Looking to run an event in Victoria, you will now.
43:38
Speaker 22: Be questioning the cost that this government puts forward every
43:41
Speaker 22: single time you propose a new event here and wonder
43:44
Speaker 22: whether you can do it cheaper elsewhere.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
43:46
Speaker 1: Fair point. Of course.
43:48
Speaker 2: The latest bit is a Victorian gaman wants to run
43:50
Speaker 2: the game Lesbian Games.
43:51
Speaker 1: Now, I'm not certain really what they are. I don't
43:54
Speaker 1: quite understand that because.
43:56
Speaker 2: I love to watch athletes and all sorts of sports,
43:58
Speaker 2: and I don't care whether they're gay, lesbian, heterosexual.
44:01
Speaker 1: I just don't know, and I don't care.
44:02
Speaker 2: I don't see why we have to have separate games
44:05
Speaker 2: for people based on their sexuality.
44:07
Speaker 22: Look, I think that thing that's so great about the
44:09
Speaker 22: Olympic Games, about the COMMAC Games, it's inclusive to all.
44:13
Speaker 22: But I will say, just on the gay Games, Chris,
44:16
Speaker 22: it should have been in an addition to our calendar.
44:18
Speaker 8: If we were in a position where we were.
44:19
Speaker 22: Managing our major events calendar, our sporting calendar as a
44:22
Speaker 22: whole well here in Victoria, then ad of something else
44:26
Speaker 22: would be fantastic. But at the moment, when you can't
44:29
Speaker 22: get your current calendar in order, when you can't manage
44:32
Speaker 22: the events that you've already committed funds to, you've got
44:35
Speaker 22: to be questioning whether this government should be pitching for
44:37
Speaker 22: any event in the future. We want to see our
44:39
Speaker 22: major events here, a sustainable major events calendar, But at
44:43
Speaker 22: the moment we get a government that's happy to celebrate
44:45
Speaker 22: renewing events like we saw recently with the Boxing Day Test,
44:48
Speaker 22: We've got to keep seeing our major events calendar reinvigorated
44:52
Speaker 22: reinvital revitalized, and you know it's got to support the
44:56
Speaker 22: rest of the sector as well.
44:58
Speaker 1: Well, said Sam. Thanks so much for wanting us.
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Speaker 8: Thanks Chris.
45:03
Speaker 2: You got to love that Victorian labor government, don't They
45:06
Speaker 2: paid hundreds of millions of dollars not to build a
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Speaker 2: tunnel and a couple of hundred million dollars not.
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Speaker 1: To have the Commonwealth games. Glasgow says, thanks Victorian taxpayers.
45:16
Speaker 1: We'll take that money and we'll whack them on extraordinary.
45:19
Speaker 2: We'll take a break and then we'll duck back down
45:21
Speaker 2: to Victoria and catch up with the media writer for
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Speaker 2: The Australian, Sophie Ol'sworth. We'll talk about a legendary cartooners
45:27
Speaker 2: stunned kicked out of his job after fifty five years,
45:30
Speaker 2: and also the ABC told to focus on guess what
45:33
Speaker 2: decent news and current affairs. Well, let's get into media
45:40
Speaker 2: issues with Sophiel's Worth, media writer with The Australian joining
45:44
Speaker 2: us from Melbourn.
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Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Sophie.
45:48
Speaker 2: I want to talk about Michael Luhnig, the cartoonist with
45:51
Speaker 2: the age and I've been an institution in this country.
45:55
Speaker 2: I'm not a huge fan. I've got to say for
45:57
Speaker 2: other reasons, but he's complaining about being punted.
46:01
Speaker 1: After fifty five years. He's had a pretty good run,
46:04
Speaker 1: hasn't he.
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Speaker 23: Well, he has had a good run, but I think
46:10
Speaker 23: he was not very impressed with the way.
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Speaker 17: His exit was handled.
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Speaker 23: Chris, during the COVID pandemic, he submitted many cartoons that
46:20
Speaker 23: were critical of the harsh lockdowns here in Victoria and
46:25
Speaker 23: some of the regimes around the COVID vaccine, and that
46:29
Speaker 23: obviously did not go down well with the Age editors,
46:32
Speaker 23: and he was shunted to the Spectrum section in the
46:38
Speaker 23: Age consequently, so he was pretty annoyed. He was taking
46:41
Speaker 23: off these pages. But then just last week he got
46:44
Speaker 23: a call from the Age editor and told his time
46:47
Speaker 23: was up. So he spoke to me at length and
46:50
Speaker 23: said he was pretty disillusioned with the way that the
46:53
Speaker 23: Age had changed. He said it had become a tacki tabloid,
46:57
Speaker 23: and he said cartooning isn't what it once was. There's
46:59
Speaker 23: no longer the freedom to draw as he did back
47:03
Speaker 23: when he started.
47:04
Speaker 1: Yes, this is the trouble.
47:05
Speaker 2: This is why I have a lot of sympathy for him,
47:07
Speaker 2: and they shouldn't be trying to censor cartoonist, and especially Yeah,
47:10
Speaker 2: because he was opposing vaccine mandates and he was opposing lockdowns,
47:15
Speaker 2: and all power to him, and it's a disgrace that
47:18
Speaker 2: they tried to quieten him down on that.
47:20
Speaker 1: The reason I'm conflicted.
47:21
Speaker 2: On it is because he was pathetic when his own colleague,
47:25
Speaker 2: Bill Leak was unfairly targeted over his cartoons many years
47:29
Speaker 2: ago and time and time again, and someone like Lunic
47:32
Speaker 2: should have been out there defending Bill Leak.
47:35
Speaker 1: Instead, he just allowed him to be fed to the wolves.
47:38
Speaker 2: But we've got to be bigger than that and say
47:40
Speaker 2: that the same treatment shouldn't be meted out to Michael Lunig.
47:44
Speaker 2: Of course, Let's get onto the ABC and a fantastic
47:47
Speaker 2: reporting in the odds again today with David Hill, the
47:51
Speaker 2: former ABC boss, saying what is obvious to most of it,
47:55
Speaker 2: most of us. With the billion dollars of taxpayers money,
47:58
Speaker 2: you ought to focus primarily delivering good quality and objective
48:02
Speaker 2: news and current affairs.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's right.
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Speaker 23: He's one of the longest serving bosses of the ABC.
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Speaker 1: Chris.
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Speaker 23: He spoke at length to my colleague James Madden and
48:14
Speaker 23: said that the ABC has its issues and things have
48:18
Speaker 23: to change there. As you said, they need to focus
48:21
Speaker 23: on serious news and current affairs. And if they get
48:24
Speaker 23: one billion dollars a year of taxpayer funds dumped at
48:27
Speaker 23: their doorstep and they're losing eyeballs and listeners, they need
48:33
Speaker 23: to think about their strategy and rethink it because if
48:36
Speaker 23: you're asking for more money, which Kim Williams has alluded to,
48:41
Speaker 23: then you need to be getting those audiences. And we
48:44
Speaker 23: know that the ABC are losing audiences Chris.
48:47
Speaker 2: And just quickly so for the ABC, which I thought
48:50
Speaker 2: love to LGBTQI expressions and acronyms, that's getting a bit
48:55
Speaker 2: too messy for them. They want to change their terminal
48:57
Speaker 2: terminology again.
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Speaker 17: That's right, Chris.
49:01
Speaker 23: They want to drop it so it's lgbt They want
49:05
Speaker 23: more inclusive and accurate terminology of the LGBTQI plus community.
49:11
Speaker 17: So they're now.
49:12
Speaker 23: Changing how the community is referred to and also represent
49:17
Speaker 23: also acknowledging other custodians of the land. Now you'll hear
49:21
Speaker 23: in their broadcasts which they didn't previously do when acknowledging
49:25
Speaker 23: indigenous country names.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it gets a bit too confusing with people.
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Speaker 1: I think you normal language is the answer. Thanks for
49:33
Speaker 1: joining us, Sophia.
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Speaker 2: I appreciate it, Sophie Osworth, that you can read all
49:36
Speaker 2: that stuff in the odds. The acronym I think we
49:39
Speaker 2: all should look out for is when I've started to
49:41
Speaker 2: notice on some social media that's lgti's Labor Greens teals independence.
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Speaker 2: They're the ones to look out for. They can be
49:51
Speaker 2: running the show after the next election.
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Speaker 1: Here is Peter Kredlin,