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Making Monsters: Bears vs Vikings Week 1 Preview · 2nd City Gridiron

• 0:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, welcome back, everybody.
• 0:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's football season, making monsters is back.
• 0:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I've got a special guest today, Pat the designer.
• 0:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know him from a lot of different places.
• 0:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: You'll see him all over Twitter, but obviously, host of the Wendy City Breeze.
• 0:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: You'll see him in the ESPN locked on sports all over.
• 0:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: So Pat, thanks for helping on and talking some bears with me.
• 0:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for having me on Taylor's.
• 0:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's good to finally speak to you in person.
• 0:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's a channel social media all the time.
• 0:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's funny how social media especially Twitter's like that.
• 0:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like so many people I kind of know and then you can finally get to chat and you're like, oh, hey, it's nice to kind of get that connection going, but let's get it off.
• 0:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna the preview.
• 0:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I do the preview games We'll talk a lot of bears between you and I and then I have also a guest Tyler Fornes He covers the Vikings he'll be joining me later in this episode to kind of break the Vikings side of things down, but
• 0:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to start with the obvious path because I think the biggest thing, there's a lot of things, so a lot of changes that happen this off season.
• 1:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: The biggest one, most people will probably label as Ben Johnson being hired as the head coach and how much does that factor in and how quickly does that factor in is to the offense and what they can get going.
• 1:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: So let's start there.
• 1:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ben Johnson, what are your thoughts?
• 1:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: What are you expecting right away?
• 1:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Are you expecting Ben Johnson to just go full force, week one, Monday night football, are you expecting this to things to kind of ease in a
• 1:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: Listen, I'm going off the expectation that Ben Johnson is set for himself.
• 1:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's talked about, you know, every time we talk to him how the excuses don't matter, how you have to go out there and you have to execute what your standard is.
• 1:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: And that's how he's come across in these practices.
• 1:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's how he's come across in just speaking with him in person.
• 1:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, there's an intensity to Ben Johnson of we have to be successful right away because if not I'm going to take someone out.
• 1:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like if there's not this mindset of let's slow play this and we have time I mean listen he's already said we haven't played the first snap yet you can tell he's not happy with the left tackle situation And he's already said if we need to make a change of the by week we will there's a left tackle in place and Brexton Jones knows he's talking to him when he says hey
• 2:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: This dude is not meeting the standard and we may have to make a move that upgrades that standard at left tackle.
• 2:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's how he comes off to the entire team.
• 2:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's how he comes off to the entire office.
• 2:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's how he comes off in the media.
• 2:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: And so for me, I do think, you know, we are watching this this Minnesota Vikings matchup and saying, all right, let's see if we can hit the ground running.
• 2:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: Let's see if we can kill these pre-snap miscues that have plagued this
• 2:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: you you're going after a Sean McVeigh.
• 2:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: You're going after a Kyle Shanahan.
• 2:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: It didn't take us 10 weeks to go.
• 2:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, I think this guy knows how to call football and be a good head coach.
• 2:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was pretty right away where even with Ben Johnson calling plays up in Detroit, right?
• 3:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was pretty quick where you were like, hey, this guy.
• 3:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: Seems like he knows what he's doing and seems like he understands how football works.
• 3:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: That can do a lot here early on and so my expectation here early in these first few weeks is that in the divisional games, you got two of them a week one and two.
• 3:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: You find a way to split.
• 3:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think Detroit's going to be a little tougher than Minnesota is.
• 3:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: Not that he shot away from the challenge, but I think that Minnesota right now is a team that he's looking at and saying we can get a leg up in this division.
• 3:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: This is not slow play.
• 3:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: This is not Caleb figured out.
• 3:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: Let's call plays that are going to win us this ball game.
• 3:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and one of the things I go back to January before the bear's hired Ben Johnson and I was doing a lot of podcast with people this is before so I was doing a kind of look around of the possible next head coaches of the bears and my first episode was on Ben Johnson and I never had to do another one because they hired him very quickly.
• 3:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: But when I was doing that I was talking to someone in the Detroit several people in Detroit media and.
• 3:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: All of them kind of had a similar way to describe them, but one word always stuck out to me and it said he said prickly Jeremy Reisman and he said he's prickly and he said he's his general mood during practices and during training camp is pissed off and I said
• 4:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
• 4:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Give us that energy.
• 4:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Give us a coach who doesn't settle for things isn't like good job guys Like we did it.
• 4:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: We need that guy here.
• 4:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: You've got to have that type of culture and I think we saw that with what Dan Campbell and Detroit He's that guy that will for cry at the podium, but who also
• 4:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: talk about biting off kneecaps and the show that I'm excited.
• 4:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think you need that.
• 4:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so I do think Ben Johnson is exactly what if you're talking about the type of coach that can lead.
• 4:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like he's there.
• 4:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so one of the interesting storylines I've kind of been tossing around.
• 4:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I saw a couple people mentioned it but maybe not as much as I thought.
• 4:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: The Ben Johnson versus Black Brian Flores on Monday night.
• 4:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: And obviously they work together down in Miami.
• 4:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Brian Flores from what it sounds like was the one who fired Ben Johnson.
• 4:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so there is this extra little
• 4:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Something where it feels like a lot of our schedule honestly pat is like this because between the Saints and Denis Allen the commanders in the Hail Mary last year Iber flu spying and Dallas the him leaving the lions for us the Brian Flora's versus Ben Johnson.
• 5:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of storylines this season But that Ben Johnson versus Brian Flora's and what Ben Johnson's been able to do against Flora's defenses also he's put up 30 plus points and all the last four times He's won up against his defenses.
• 5:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Are you expecting a similar thing?
• 5:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, listen, he understands the defense.
• 5:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: He understands what a prior flora does very well.
• 5:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: And he's been able to be over to top with that.
• 5:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: Now, the one thing that I think you have to take into account is he was coming into going up against those defenses with a guy in Jared golf, who's been in the, who had been in the NFL for years at this point, who had been in the Super Bowl.
• 5:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: And yes, that doesn't mean that you didn't have to change some things.
• 5:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think Jared golf went into Detroit.
• 5:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: and we were kind of like, yeah, he's going to be the bridge guy for a year until they draft the real guy.
• 5:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: Now we're talking about him as a guy who's an MVP candidate who might be able to survive without Ben Johnson.
• 5:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's going to be very interesting to see that this season.
• 6:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I do think, you know, hearing Caleb Williams the day say that I have to go out there and be the distributor.
• 6:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's not about me, you know, making all of the flash plays and the big plays about me getting the ball to the right person on this play.
• 6:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: on time, which I think is going to be the most important thing for Caleb Williams this season.
• 6:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think that there is an expectation that Ben is going to kind of figure this out right now.
• 6:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's a little bit of an underdog at home versus the Minnesota Vikings.
• 6:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think a one and a half point favorite right now for the Vikings.
• 6:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: But it really just is the question of what is Caleb Williams, when you look at Caleb last season, wasn't a bad quarterback.
• 6:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: He didn't put up bad numbers.
• 6:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: It just wasn't the generational quarterback that I think many people thought he was going to be walking in.
• 6:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: He didn't turn into Jesus Christ and football clothes and everybody thought that he was going to go out there and fall out.
• 6:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: But if you can get just a little bit more consistency out of Caleb and get him to deliver the ball one time, we've seen what those kinds of quarterbacks can do.
• 6:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: We saw a jet gafed it.
• 6:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: We've seen what
• 6:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: to a Brian Flores defense.
• 7:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: Jesse is the king of the zero blitz until somebody walks in there and says, I'm going to get the ball out in one to two seconds and it's not going to matter.
• 7:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to send that because they're not going to get close enough to me because the ball is already out of my hands.
• 7:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's the kind of tactician that I think we've seen Ben Johnson be in the past and I think it just comes down to
• 7:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: are the players on the field going to execute that the right way is Caleb Williams going to be able to get that ball out of his hands quickly and are the receivers going to be able to step up in those big moments and make the easy catches that I think what we saw in preseason consistently what we see is saw in Detroit and what hopefully we're going to see here.
• 7:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: Ben Johnson will scheme guys open no matter the situation.
• 7:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: You're going to have open wide receivers to throw the ball to it's just about you getting the ball to them one time and that's where it falls on Caleb
• 7:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think to your point too, there were moments last year where we had two wide receivers and the same exact spot.
• 7:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you were like, what exactly is going on here?
• 7:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand.
• 7:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so, and that's what I think, you've seen what coaching can do.
• 8:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you saw it in Washington last year, the play calling and how they were able to just kind of make everything a little easier for Jaden Daniels.
• 8:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you talk about the best play colors in the league, being a Kyle Shanna Han and being a Sean McVay.
• 8:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: and some of those guys who have been able to do it consistently and with whatever quarterback comes in and with whatever weapons are there and so that's what you feel like you have in Ben Johnson now you've got to see it and you've got to see that play out as a head coach too with other things obviously that he's going to be having to worry about and kind of take control over in addition to being that play caller but a little bit more about Caleb Williams because you talked about that on time I know one of the bigger criticisms with Caleb also is the holding
• 8:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: that's something that they're definitely going to have to work out of him.
• 8:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: We saw it in the preseason too.
• 8:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can't take those big sex, especially for those massive losses that we've seen.
• 8:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I know what a perfectionist Ben Johnson is.
• 8:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: So if Ben Johnson and Caleb have that that relationship that it feels like they have, it does feel like that's something that's going to be worked out.
• 9:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is it a media?
• 9:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 9:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I do think it is something that gradually will see get better throughout the season.
• 9:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, listen, I think when you look at
• 9:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: how Caleb was last season.
• 9:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of him holding the ball too long.
• 9:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: And it was something he struggled with in college, but in college, you have the same problem he had here.
• 9:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: There was a protection.
• 9:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: There wasn't clear wide receivers open.
• 9:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: There wasn't clear place places to deliver the football two time in and time out.
• 9:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: And you didn't have this situation of hey, we're teaching you how to be an NFL quarterback.
• 9:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: You had in his last year in college at SC, what you had the first year of his career here with the bears.
• 9:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: Go play back here football.
• 9:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, looks fine at backyard football.
• 9:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: He was able to put up 3,500 yards, 20 touchdowns, a six in his sections in the NFL playing backyard football play and then play out.
• 9:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, and backyard football, do you miss them?
• 9:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: Open wide receivers sometimes.
• 9:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because you don't know where you're.
• 9:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: I just supposed to go.
• 9:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: You don't know where you're supposed to be.
• 9:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: Look, I'll never forget when Keenan Allow went on.
• 9:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think it was on recap.
• 9:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: And he was talking about
• 9:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: the difference that adding time is brown to the head coaching or more the offensive coordinator where my figure was at that point and just working with the quarterback.
• 10:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: from having Shane Waldron before was he told Caleb where his eyes were supposed to go on this play one two three four of a sudden you saw Caleb Williams the living strikes and put in the football in the right spot and being a little bit more on time was it enough one time no he was already in midseason for me's trying to work through a lot of stuff kind of going into end of season for him they're trying to work through a lot of stuff and it didn't work out and you lost a bunch of games and and I think that goes to a multitude of different reasons there heavily
• 10:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: When I watched Kayla Williams been this season and what he's going to get coming now Ben Johnson is not sitting here saying hey go out there and make magic on this flower never forget when when we were at camp There was a play where Ben was getting after Caleb after the play was over.
• 10:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was end of game Caleb ends up throwing the football to Roma dunes It was supposed to be this end of game situation.
• 11:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's trying to win the game But it's not what Ben wanted him to do
• 11:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: Ben wanted him to throw it to the check down man, which I believe would have been a lot of days of kias or maybe the under a swift one that and then you run out of bounds, you'll have to find another day that you go and make the play.
• 11:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: But it's practice.
• 11:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: Last season, Maddie refuse would have been like, I like that you were being aggressive, I like that you tried that, let's move past that and you know, maybe put that in the bag for another day.
• 11:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: Then Josh was getting after Caleb.
• 11:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: He was like, that's not the play.
• 11:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's not what we want to see.
• 11:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: Now, it was it like we've seen where he was throwing them out of the drill and stuff like that.
• 11:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like that, but it was, hey, this is what I want to see on that play.
• 11:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: This is the execution that we need to see.
• 11:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: I understand that Rome is down there.
• 11:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: You trust Rome on that 50, 50 ball.
• 11:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: So do we.
• 11:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: But you need to make this play one time when it's called.
• 11:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: And this is where the football needs to go.
• 11:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, I'm just going to have the backyard football moments that why was he's going to have the run, the way he's going to the left and he's making the right arm throw and somehow it magically goes 40 yards into the hands of receiver.
• 12:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Those are fine plays to have, but when you can play one time and on schedule with the talent like that, you can keep that in the bag and add things to Caleb Williams game.
• 12:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's the point of Ben Johnson coming in here.
• 12:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: The conversation
• 12:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then if the play breaks down, go be Caleb Williams then.
• 12:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: But trust that this play is going to work.
• 12:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: Trust that this play is going to happen.
• 12:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: Trust truly is the key thing with this.
• 12:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't know if you got a chance to watch the 1924 bull drive yet.
• 12:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: But that was one of the big conversations that Ryan Poles and Ben Johnson had.
• 12:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: And it was, you know, I truly think that these guys are beginning to trust you and trust the system.
• 12:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: And that's what's going to help this team early on, especially a guy like Caleb Williams.
• 12:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: Be comfortable saying, hey, I might not see it.
• 12:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I'm going to put this ball in the right place.
• 12:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to put this ball in the right spot.
• 12:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: And we're going to let my receiver go out there and make a play.
• 12:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've heard a lot of people say you want him to, which was one of the criticisms coming out of college, the structure word kept being tossed around.
• 13:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: But you also don't want to take away completely what Caleb is because there's a recent Caleb can do those things.
• 13:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: you have Patrick Mahomes who can also do those things in jail and hurts and lower jacks and you don't want to take away what makes them that extra special.
• 13:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so but you do want that the the normal functionality of here's the here's the structure of everything to work.
• 13:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about the weapons a little bit.
• 13:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's there's a lot of them.
• 13:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if anybody really knows how exactly this is going to look at.
• 13:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: What number is Luther Bird and we're gonna have the question yeah three days is he gonna be I was switching again.
• 13:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know and that's what I've had so many people in my that I work with here being like hey have my fantasy draft this week like which bear should I draft I'm like I don't know don't ask me that because I truly
• 13:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: don't know what exactly this receiving room is going to look like.
• 13:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like we've got DJ in the back field.
• 13:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: We've got, you know, Rome who's going to be that 50-50 contested catchers get him on those type of plays because that's what he did in college and that's what he's, that's what he excels at.
• 14:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Did you can do a little bit of everything but then you talk about the key as you talk about.
• 14:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: They just drafted a tie-to-end on top of already having Cole Comet.
• 14:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: So what do you think about that receiving room?
• 14:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you were talking, I think week to week it may change, and that's the type of person Ben Johnson is this week against a Vikings.
• 14:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Who would you say out of that receiving corpse, including the Titans, what is the X factor for this matchup against the Vikings?
• 14:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think you have to look at Roma dunes.
• 14:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: I've said multiple times on the Chicago Bears podcast on the way to city breeze.
• 14:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like Roma dunes has become Caleb Williams number one target.
• 14:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: The relationship there is just massive.
• 14:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think you saw it on that play where Caleb throws it to the back of the end zone, kind of that high back five throw.
• 14:36
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• 14:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: You gave Rome kind of a chance on that, but really it was like Rome's double covered.
• 14:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: The safety has an arm coming in.
• 14:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: They knocked the ball away.
• 14:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's against Kansas City when on that third driver's first team offense.
• 14:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, you, you lived to fight another day, Rome kind of becomes a DB in that situation.
• 14:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: And just tries to make sure that the ball is in knocked away.
• 14:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: But that level of trust is a trust you have with your number one wide receiver.
• 15:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like we, we watch Sam Donnell last year.
• 15:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: just go chase down and get it.
• 15:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know where we see it from and I think we think of that and we write it it's a confidence in the receiver at a yelene heavily on the receiver.
• 15:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: Joe borrowed does it with Jamar Chase and openly says he's like I don't know sometimes I don't see him but I know where he's supposed to be.
• 15:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: I throw it to that spot.
• 15:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: And that's okay.
• 15:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's the relationship you should have.
• 15:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that change some people are hesitant to accept that change because now it's like a Demotion of DJ more.
• 15:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think you could think of DJ more as a Demotion.
• 15:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think you have to think of it as a change in role.
• 15:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
• 15:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I've said multiple times we've seen them run DJ out of the backfield way too many times for it to just be a
• 15:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, maybe we'll do this.
• 15:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe we won't know.
• 15:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: DJ Moore is going to get some hand off.
• 15:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's going to get some carries.
• 15:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: Does it mean that he's going to get a ton of carries?
• 15:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: Does it mean he's going to turn into a running back?
• 15:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I think people remember Debo Samuel very differently than what Debo actually was.
• 16:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I think DJ Moore being a Debo Samuel type of receiver 23.
• 16:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's a perfect
• 16:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: And he had 225 yards rushing, but he had five rushing touchdowns as well.
• 16:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: By the way, on those rushing plays, he was about, um, what am I looking at?
• 16:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: He was about seven yards per carry because you were calling plays that were plays where he can get chunk yards all by the way.
• 16:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: Now, I'm worried about DJ more running the football.
• 16:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: So maybe I'm playing a little bit closer to a lot of dang it.
• 16:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: He just went past me.
• 16:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 16:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like it just changes the role for DJ and I think that's the part that a lot of people are concerned about and it's not the modding him.
• 16:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: I would say now it truly is a one A one B situation where there's still going to be a heavy reliance on DJ.
• 16:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: Of course we know the tight in love that they have there with constant and cold and I think that those are going to be some of your safety blankets in the end zone.
• 17:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: But the guy that may go down is the best signing this off season.
• 17:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I've seen it that I know listen if you you brought up fantasy.
• 17:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: If you want to take a chance on somebody in your fantasy draft, he will be there by the end of the draft.
• 17:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: He is like ranked 356.
• 17:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, and I think among wide receivers.
• 17:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: go get Olamaday Zacchaeus.
• 17:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, the Williams keeps bringing him up every practice we keep hearing his name.
• 17:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: He is the one who is holding Luther burden that Bayon truly has me going into this season.
• 17:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: Going, I know they're going to use Luther burden.
• 17:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: I just don't know where they're going to use Luther burden.
• 17:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: Olamaday Zacchaeus and Caleb Williams relationship has immediately come together.
• 17:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: You can tell that those are the two that it's going to be.
• 17:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm in trouble.
• 17:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: Where do I need to
• 17:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I had a draft Monday night.
• 17:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's the only bear that I drafted it and it was very late, but I honestly, I just feel like there's so many questions of what the rest may look like and with the late.
• 18:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it was a safe late round and everything that I've heard from him coming out of camp has been really fun, but I don't want to keep you too long, but I do obviously want to get to the defense, but I think, I
• 18:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: offensively you still have to talk about the run game because that is going to be that at the run game is what makes Ben Johnson's offenses take and there's been a lot of people very upset that there's didn't draft a running back higher than what they should have or even made a move after the draft to still try and grab somebody are you confident that they have enough on this roster to be able to get it going get that run game going that'll help Caleb will help this offense and align that can do that.
• 18:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: if any of your followers have seen me on anything, you know, I'm not a deanderous whiff guy.
• 18:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's not because I don't like deanderous, I actually think he's a really good dude.
• 18:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's because I would never pay that much for running back.
• 18:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm also the person that says, don't go pay, say quant.
• 18:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm also the person that says, don't go pay, Derek Henry, right?
• 18:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: Why?
• 18:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: because offensive lines are important.
• 18:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: But the answer to what was already here.
• 19:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: And so the difference that he's going to have this season with his offensive line, I got to give credit to Mark Silverman who said this when we were watching practice one day.
• 19:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think it was one of the joint practices.
• 19:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe it was the first joint practice, and maybe it was it was a bears on bears practice just an aggressive day.
• 19:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: One of the, I can't remember, and I started to run together now.
• 19:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: Thank god football is bad.
• 19:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: He just said, well, the line goes forward.
• 19:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: And it was DeAndre Swift, essentially tripping and falling forward for three and a half yard.
• 19:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: That is going to change the running game for this team.
• 19:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: And it's an aspect of some of the struggles, some of the concerns that people have.
• 19:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: I know everybody's concerned about the Braxton Jones conversation.
• 19:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's the one thing Braxton Jones does really, really well.
• 19:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: When you tell him, I need you to go over there and hit that dude in the mouth and move him out the way, sort of, right in back and go behind you.
• 19:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: He actually does that really well.
• 19:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: The past pro is the concern with Brexit, but as far as running the football, I feel like you got the line, you can get the bags.
• 20:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: Look at what Dallas has done over their history.
• 20:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: I know people are freaking out over Michael Parsons, they're building up the offensive line.
• 20:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: I guarantee you that offense is still gonna go forward.
• 20:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: When you look at what they've done with up in San Francisco, they went through, when they go to seven running bags, and I see like how many bags did they had a fight?
• 20:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: They got running bags paid around the NFL.
• 20:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: literally be good.
• 20:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: Jordan Mason got paid because it was like, oh, I just got a runoff tackle on here.
• 20:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, hey, let's go.
• 20:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: I can do that all day.
• 20:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: I say Isaac Garendo.
• 20:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know what?
• 20:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, so like the offensive line to me being better is going to improve this run game dramatically.
• 20:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: And it's the one part about this team where I actually don't come into the season.
• 20:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: I know people have talked about their concerns with the run game.
• 20:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: But it just kind of feels like it's going to work.
• 20:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I think you saw the Andre Swift in that Kansas City game.
• 20:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: He was a safety blanket for Ben Johnson.
• 20:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: And Johnson said, the past game's not working.
• 20:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: We're just going to start running the football and you ran it down Kansas City Strowd a good Kansas City defense.
• 20:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: You got to the one yard line.
• 21:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: You threw the ball a couple of times and then you end up kicking a field goal.
• 21:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: And Johnson, I kickin' a field goal in regular season.
• 21:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: I guarantee you've won the one when I kick a field goal.
• 21:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.
• 21:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: I bet your money on that.
• 21:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's what I'm in is I've kind of shared a similar sentiment.
• 21:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know there's a lot of Braxton into your point.
• 21:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you're during the past pro, you're getting, he gets Bull Rush, Can't handle that.
• 21:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: He gets pushed back into Caleb a lot or just misses blocks completely.
• 21:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: But when the run game, if you look at anything even last year, that's where his strength is.
• 21:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I kind of share that with you.
• 21:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's jump to the defensive side real quick.
• 21:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Pat, when you talk about just in general Dennis Allen, we talked a lot about Ben Johnson and what he is going to change on the offensive side of the ball.
• 21:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Dennis Island, they use that word, the tax style.
• 21:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know we've heard it before, to me it's kind of a trigger word, because I feel like we've heard a tax style and it just never really totally paned out the way that you wanted it to in those times.
• 21:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: But it is, that's kind of what he does.
• 21:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's very, he's very aggressive and a lot of the things he does that interior of his defensive lines very important and a lot of the things he does.
• 22:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's why they went and got a great eager it.
• 22:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's why.
• 22:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: uh... with the draw dexter and i and your billings are hoping that this can be something so that's a big question is this defense of line do they have the pieces on this line to be able to put a did a silent defense out on the football field you take a chance on on the guy's you have uh... in the middle i mean honestly you take a chance on your andrew billings is he gonna be good enough to stop the run javindex is he gonna be good enough to stop the run he wasn't a year ago
• 22:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean, or Javindex, it was out there and people ran right past them on a consistent basis.
• 22:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, and it's not to say that I don't think that Javind's a good player that's not going to take a step.
• 22:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: I actually do think he's going to take a step.
• 22:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: But that's where your investment and graded year it comes in because
• 22:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: They are treating the edges when this team is guys to do just that, send the edge.
• 22:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: Your pressure for this defense is the goal of it is to come from the interior.
• 22:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's why you went out and you drafted Chamar Turner on the interior and you didn't take a chance on a guy like Mike Green, although he's a little bit slimmer for DA's defense, but you didn't take a chance on one of those edge rusher that was out there that fit that profile that he's
• 23:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: and be able to create that pressure from the outside.
• 23:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: Your goal is, if the pressure up the middle, ors them to run into those big guys on the outside.
• 23:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: And if you set the edge of the right way, you'll be able to contain the run game, sacs will materialize eventually, because if the middle is gone, that's where the quarterbacks are going to struggle the most.
• 23:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: I love the idea of, can I guarantee that you're going to have that interior pressure?
• 23:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if I feel great about it right now, do I feel better about it than I did last isn't he?
• 23:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you got great a Jared on the team and I think the the big thing is can Andrew Billings and can Shemar Turner really pick up that slack on the interior to where
• 23:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: My hope is that you can get 100% of Grady Jarrett about 40 to 45% of the time.
• 23:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's a different player.
• 23:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: Now you're talking about him having a resurgence in his career.
• 24:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: Now you're talking about him being out there, rested, fully able to go at offensive Lyme and who aren't able to do that.
• 24:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: And that platoon swap is really what Dennis Allen wants to do with this defensive line.
• 24:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: The problem is outside of the first four names.
• 24:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: You don't feel great.
• 24:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: You're going to need somebody to step up.
• 24:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe it is tomorrow turn.
• 24:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: We haven't seen a ton from him in preseason because of injury.
• 24:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: I haven't seen a ton from him in training camp in many camp because of the getting bait our training camp.
• 24:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: Because of first day of training camp, getting banged up.
• 24:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: So there's going to be some development that has to happen in season there.
• 24:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: And you have to have a lot of faith in that interior because it doesn't feel great what you saw from dial on the edge, right, in the preseason game.
• 24:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then you lose Austin Booker definitely not how you want to enter the season.
• 24:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: My favorite thing about Shamar Turner, and this is something that after the draft, I was one of the things that got me excited about that pick.
• 24:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Number one, I was glad we got Shamar Turner and not Stewart, but I also think.
• 24:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 24:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, please, but you gotta explain the sex.
• 24:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's a lot harder.
• 25:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: He want to go to that one, but he played over.
• 25:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was the only one of only three players defensively in college football that played 200 plus snaps at every single spot on the defensive line and that to me I think is one of the reasons they they drafted him just because you have that versatility and you can move him around and that's what
• 25:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know that that DA defense you want to be able to do a lot of different things.
• 25:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: So there is positive there but to your point we don't know we they're really good to see a whole lot so you don't know really what that's going to look like.
• 25:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: The secondary final one before I let you go that's going to be a big thing to we know who JJ is Jalen Johnson I'm.
• 25:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I still can't believe he wasn't on the top 100 again.
• 25:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: That list just doesn't mean anything to me anymore.
• 25:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I do across for him.
• 25:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: We've seen ups and downs from Tirek Stevenson.
• 25:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: I do think that the Ben Johnson and Dennis Allen coaching can real in.
• 25:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe some of those miscommunications or things that maybe he should have been doing last year in that sense.
• 25:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: But
• 25:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: What level can Tyree get in?
• 26:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: We've seen some really high moments.
• 26:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: We've seen some really low moments from Tyree.
• 26:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: He gets picked on.
• 26:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what's going to happen when you're across from Jalen Johnson.
• 26:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so I do think that's one of the bigger questions marks back there because I do think of first-year stays healthy and the beside biored and obviously you know Kyler Gordon and Johnson.
• 26:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: The rest of them you feel very confident in as long as they're healthy.
• 26:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Tyree, there's a concern and you lose trail Smith who to me was kind of that next guy.
• 26:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: What are your thoughts on that side across from JJ and what that can look like?
• 26:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: Let's see, you got a lot of competition.
• 26:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: You got a shine right over there as well.
• 26:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: You got a tie reakeven, here's the thing.
• 26:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that the pressure upfront is going to mean more for all of them than anything.
• 26:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: If you're forcing the quarterback to get rid of the ball quick, everybody's going to look like a world leader.
• 26:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: We went from Kyle Fuller being a good player to, oh snap, this dude might be a proble.
• 26:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh snap, this dude might, you got a lot of takeaways to season.
• 26:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's one of the best DBs in football.
• 26:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: DB.
• 26:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: He is.
• 26:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's fine.
• 26:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: You drafted him.
• 26:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: You've got Jalen Johnson on the on the team.
• 27:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: You've restructured his contract to get some money back.
• 27:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: So it'll be very interesting to see kind of what that turns into down the line.
• 27:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, like Tyreek is is exactly who he was last season, hopefully without some of the miscues.
• 27:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: But Tyreek was a fine player last year.
• 27:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: We think about that big tipped past that that goes into Washington.
• 27:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was a terrible play.
• 27:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: You shouldn't have been
• 27:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: You weren't even doing your job on the play, because you weren't supposed to be there tipping a ball.
• 27:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: But outside of that, Terry Steve is it was fine.
• 27:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 27:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: He was he was a solid number two DB.
• 27:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's what he is.
• 27:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't know if we're going to get a step out of him this season.
• 27:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't feel like he took a massive step when watching him in the practices, but I still felt like it was very difficult to throw the football on him because of his lanes because of his aggression.
• 27:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: and our Harris loves for him to tow that line.
• 27:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: I asked our Harris about Tyre when we first got there and he was like, listen, you don't take the physicality away from him.
• 28:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: You just try to harness it and control it.
• 28:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: And that's what they've tried to do here.
• 28:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: Is that gonna draw some flags for you?
• 28:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: Sure, but it also made draw some flags on the other side.
• 28:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: We saw that as well.
• 28:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: If not for that tip past, Tyre Stevenson being a knucklehead is him getting into arguments with wide receivers on the other side and then them getting a flag.
• 28:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: because he's getting in their heads and they're sick of dealing with him like he's exactly what you want as far as an aggressive DB and does he get flags on him sometime?
• 28:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: Sure.
• 28:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's going to happen.
• 28:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: Guess what?
• 28:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: So does Jalen Johnson?
• 28:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like everybody gets flags, tossed on him.
• 28:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: I would rather have the guy that has the opportunity to get the wide receiver out of his game because he's so focused on dealing with you on the other side.
• 28:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: And so I think Tyreeks
• 28:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: and he definitely seems more locked and I'll tell you this.
• 28:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's not going to have a mistake like that again.
• 28:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 28:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: He understands that he knows that people seem to never want to let it go.
• 28:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that going into this season, that is going to be one of the things that he's like, I have to play so well that they forget about that play ever happen.
• 29:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 29:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's it sucks for those guys because those type of things are the place that people remember when it's showed over and over again on an every broadcast they're like, oh, remember how this happened last year and it's it's funny because obviously I do this bears podcast I also cover the the jags.
• 29:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: in Jacksonville and there's both of them last year, Dory and Jones, who's also one of my favorite corners on the team, got backwards hurtled by Saycon Barkley and that thing just, it's on every single thing you can possibly imagine.
• 29:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, four Dory and he's actually a very good corner but nobody probably knows that because that's the only play that keeps showing.
• 29:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: That was not his bad because at least he was trying to do like the right thing.
• 29:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's nothing you can do for that.
• 29:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, you literally know.
• 29:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: I can't be on the video game covers diabolical.
• 29:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: But there's nothing you can do for that.
• 29:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: I rigged it to himself.
• 29:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's the part was like, yeah, I bro.
• 29:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, that won't, that won't, he's, he's got to play this never going to die.
• 29:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: You got to have a great career.
• 30:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like you, what a Super Bowl, bro.
• 30:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: And get an interception.
• 30:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, that's what we need to see from time to time.
• 30:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: Because you think about it to that point.
• 30:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: If we not have a, in Tennessee, he had a pick six to win that game.
• 30:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 30:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like there was a ton of things that Tyreg did well.
• 30:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's the season.
• 30:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's just, that's the one that's going to switch you for a while.
• 30:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, unfortunate, but like you said, if you come out and you ball, you get a couple picks and I do think that that's something out here.
• 30:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is that's what you saw what Dallas did.
• 30:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're all about getting their hands on the ball and getting those turnovers.
• 30:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully we do see a lot more of those, but Pat, I really appreciate your time and it's it's about go time.
• 30:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: So go Bears and thank you again.
• 30:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: Bear down, Bear down.
• 30:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for having me on.
• 30:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: And hopefully we can come back on when we're talking about some wins.
• 30:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
• 30:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
• 30:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 30:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Have a good one.
• 30:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
• 30:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: Peace.
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• 32:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's continue on now and it spares Vikings week, Monday night football.
• 33:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know I'm excited.
• 33:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know it kind of is that bittersweet because football's here, you have to wait until Monday night to watch your team.
• 33:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm joined by Tyler Fornes, he's a good friend now.
• 33:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I can call you a friend Tyler.
• 33:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've had you on several times and I always appreciate your time and love chatting with you about the Vikings in general.
• 33:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you do not know Tyler,
• 33:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: You'll find him at real 4-0 on Twitter.
• 33:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: He covers the Vikings for first in school, but also a lot of NFL draft stuff So we've chatted a lot of NFL draft over the time that I've known YouTube for it is these sports But thanks again for hopping on.
• 33:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's time to go.
• 33:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's go talk Yeah, my pleasure.
• 33:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Great to be back again, and Obviously don't want to do a lot of crossover with this week But I'll have to have you on my show going into the second game so then we don't have like the same thing on table That's never a good thing
• 33:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I would love to.
• 33:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I know this is it's interesting because I think a lot of bears fans were kind of expecting our week one to be against the lions just because of Ben Johnson leaving Detroit for Chicago.
• 34:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of people kind of expected that to be the route but their storylines their storylines throughout the NFC North and that's going to be something that we're going to talk about continuously not just for bears Vikings but Vikings and Packers and bears and lions.
• 34:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody kind of has whether it's players that have moved around.
• 34:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see if it's the area sends up going to his fourth and I've seen North Day.
• 34:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see if that ends up happening.
• 34:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: But there's a lot of storylines until I want to start with probably one of the bigger ones and the coaching changes and Chicago's going to be a massive storyline throughout the season of how quickly just the coaches can change things with Ben Johnson with Dennis Allen.
• 34:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: out here is coming in, Eric B. Enemy, a lot of bigger name guys who have done a lot of things in the NFL and how quickly does does just that coaching side change what the bears have been and we will see.
• 34:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: But you do have that Ben Johnson Brian Flores thing, they're both in Miami together.
• 34:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: from what I've read Brian Flores was the one who kind of fired Ben Johnson, so I don't I'm not saying they don't like each other, but there's a little bit of history there between the two of them.
• 35:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: And Ben Johnson, I think in the last four times he's faced Brian Flores, has put up 30 plus points in each of those times.
• 35:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: So
• 35:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's those interesting storylines, and then you go to the other side, and it's Kevin O'Connell, who, to me, is one of my favorite offensive minds in the NFL.
• 35:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: We were talking about that on helmets and heels yesterday, going up against Dennis Allen, who's known for kind of this aggressive attack styling.
• 35:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: A style of defense.
• 35:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: They don't work as a head coach very well at New Orleans, but defense coordinator wise.
• 35:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: It worked pretty well.
• 35:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: So let's just start there, the coaching, and just those battles between OC and DC on each side.
• 35:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it's a really interesting one between Johnson and Flores and it's interesting because the Miami version of Flores is not what you get in Minnesota and when the stuff last year came out about like two and Flores he had multiple players like stand behind him at a press conference because he talks to the media with me and like no, this is our coach we have his back.
• 35:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like we love him and he's been open about the fact that his time in Pittsburgh has really changed a lot of kind of his You points about coaching because so much of him being brought up was Bill Velleget like a tyrant
• 36:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't mean that disrespectfully, you know, Bill Balich had grew up around the Naval Academy, where it was very military structure.
• 36:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: And within that structure, it is, you kind of talk down to your people and they follow.
• 36:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's how you lead into a point that works.
• 36:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it anything works.
• 36:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: if you're winning.
• 36:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: And Bill Bellachak had a history of winning.
• 36:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: So you got away with that, but the second you don't win and the second you're somebody else like brought in Flores, he's not Bill Bellachak and I think one of the reasons why the Bellachak tree hasn't really worked out the way you might think is because they're almost doing a cosplay of Bellachak and I think Flores figured that out, especially with this time working with my Tomlin and his players just love him here.
• 36:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: And they are incredibly involved in the defensive game planning.
• 36:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're incredibly involved in this schematic elements and he goes to them like, hey
• 37:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think can we do this?
• 37:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Can we do these kind of rotations?
• 37:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Can you achieve this and still be able to play your role within this one play and getting that feedback and what they like?
• 37:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that is an interesting element here, too.
• 37:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: And because of, you know, Brian Forrest potentially like firing Ben Johnson, if that ends up being the case, I never heard that.
• 37:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that's very interesting.
• 37:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's different now if Ben Johnson has a chip on a shoulder, you know, nobody can blame him.
• 37:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: But one of the weird things about like these last four matchups between the two, then Jabs and Jared Goff is like blitz us, we dare you, they love being able to attack that and Jared Goff as long as the pressure is in coming like super hot up the middle and some of the blitzes, a lot of them were coming from like the outside, they just had great blitz counters.
• 37:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: A monorocene problem would go up six yards, stop, get the ball.
• 37:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: get a couple more yards after the catch and all of a sudden first down is nine yards.
• 38:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that is how they just absolutely decimated the Vikings.
• 38:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's really interesting kind of looking at how they've utilized that the last two years with golf and then transitioning to cable Williams.
• 38:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think you're two factors here one.
• 38:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: and this is what I'm really looking for at this coaching chest match.
• 38:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Viking said no interior price for the last two years.
• 38:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: None.
• 38:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: And last year, the Vikings had 49 sacks, four of them came from defensive tackles, just four.
• 38:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: And they use a lot of four red dress for packages that call it the NASCAR package.
• 38:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: And the second is Caleb Williams is not Jared Goff.
• 38:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And in this sense, it's a negative.
• 38:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Caleb Williams has all this arm town in the world, and he can make all these spectacular plays, and he was the first overall pick, he was anointed by it's quite a few people as like the next Patrick Bolles.
• 38:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, what Jared Gough is so good at is the complete opposite of who Caleb Williams is.
• 38:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: So how is that going to work without Ben Johnson wants to counter some of these blitzes?
• 38:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is he going to be able to take a two-three step drop?
• 39:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: And fire a quick hitter to DJ Moore, six yards down the field, do that in rhythm, do that consistently and be able to handle the blitz without going to his default, which is run around scramble and try to make that spectacular play.
• 39:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I really default to how Kurt Warner talks about the quarterback position.
• 39:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: You still have to win in structure.
• 39:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: You have to win within the context of the pocket.
• 39:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: And if you can do the super-star shop that will elevate you to another level, then that's how Patrick Mahonsus will be involved his game, because he was not phenomenal from the pocket early.
• 39:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now he is, and he can do that super-star shop.
• 39:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Same with Josh Allen.
• 39:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: So Ken Williams, take that next step.
• 39:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: can he utilize those same blitz counters that Ben Johnson loved to use in Detroit and can he run them effectively?
• 39:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I have my doubts.
• 39:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think the Vacala Williams Ben Johnson partnership is an awful match.
• 40:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: I very concerned it won't work and I was very weirded out from a conceptual standpoint that this was the job Johnson wanted for the quarterback matchup.
• 40:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: because it does not mesh with what he likes to do and what he's showing Detroit.
• 40:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: So my number one thing I'm watching for in the entire league is Caleb Johnson.
• 40:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson.
• 40:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: How is that going to match?
• 40:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: I have serious doubts.
• 40:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's interesting.
• 40:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's almost been Johnson wanted to prove that he could didn't need a Jared Goff type of quarterback that he couldn't, you know, he can have somebody who can do that superhero.
• 40:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: And everybody I've talked to says that you've seen glimpses of capabilities of of Caleb being able to play under in structure and you don't
• 40:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: you want to be able to for him to embrace that embrace timing and not hold the ball so long and things like that but you also don't want to take away what makes Caleb and so that's one of the things that I think some people point to like you don't want Ben Johnson to take away all of that.
• 40:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Super hero stuff that Caleb does.
• 41:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: You still want to be able to see it.
• 41:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to see because I know last year Caleb like some of his best numbers came against the blitz and so I was trying to find that I just remember at one point in time throughout last year I was like, okay, he's actually people kept blitzing him and he was doing well.
• 41:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it would be interesting to see.
• 41:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: how that ends up going.
• 41:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: But people are going to love that take probably at little bare spans will hate that that you're saying you don't think that relationship's going to go well.
• 41:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that and everybody I've talked to talks about how much of a perfectionist Ben Johnson is and I think that to a point that is going to we'll see can Caleb handle that.
• 41:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's going to be more of what if this works or not.
• 41:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Can Caleb handle
• 41:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: that Ben Johnson is going to be very critical of everything he does when you hear certain things from camp.
• 41:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was certain things where Ben Johnson would say, hey, I want this specific thing done.
• 41:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I talked about this early earlier in this podcast.
• 41:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, I heard the story.
• 41:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I had Pat the designer on.
• 41:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: He obviously covers the bears.
• 42:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it all sorts of platforms, but he's was at every practice and was telling me that there were several
• 42:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: practices but one that stuck out specifically that Ben Johnson say hit like this was the play we are doing this is exactly what needs to happen in this play and it kind of broke down things didn't work so Caleb did this thing where he kind of goes off schedule and does what he needs to do it ended up being a positive play but Ben Johnson screamed in yelling at Caleb that is not what this was supposed to happen on this specific thing so that is what's going to be interesting
• 42:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: take things down a notch even when he doesn't really want to.
• 42:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be interesting and I feel like Ben Johnson when it comes to his creativeness and being able to scheme up things that's what we talk about.
• 42:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what you talk about with Kevin O'Connell and that he's been able to do it with multiple different quarterbacks and because he's just that guy.
• 42:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I think bears fans are just in hope that
• 42:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you're that next guy, that's in the realm of a Kyle Shanahan, a Sean McBay, and a Kevin O'Connell, then you can work with different types of quarterbacks, and that's just kind of what they're hoping.
• 43:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: But we'll see on that.
• 43:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to talk a little bit about JJ McCarthy, because that's all that's another big story line.
• 43:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's going to be a conversation he didn't get to play last year.
• 43:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of the quarterbacks pretty much every quarterback had pieces of success.
• 43:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: If not successful seasons that were all drafted last year,
• 43:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: So this is another guy.
• 43:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of that other one that everyone's like, all right, what does McCarthy do and what does Michael pinnicks do or we potentially looking at one of the better quarterback drafts and NFL history with the amount of guys that were drafted up in the 2024 season.
• 43:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: But what are you, what are your thoughts on that when it comes to what McCarthy has done so far this off season and expectations right out of the gates.
• 43:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, this is going to sound insane on the surface and it kind of is, but once I get into the nuance of it, it will make a lot more sense.
• 43:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: McCarty is kind of walking into similar situation, the patch of my home is in 2018 with the choose.
• 43:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: The difference is, I'm not talking talent, I'm just talking situation.
• 43:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, my home's got to practice every single week is rookie year and you got to start that week 17 gaming through for like 200 yards and in the interception wasn't that great, but the Chiefs are playing all backups because they were prepared for the playoffs.
• 44:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: McCarthy is going to have a similar situation.
• 44:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: elite play collar and you read from a home's Kevin O'Connell for the Vikings, a really good offense of line, which mohomes did have to start, but then everything created in 2020, and that's kind of the genesis of what we have now with that online, elite number one wide receiver in Tyree Kill, or Justin Jefferson, really good complimentary pieces, a great top-fied tie-dend Travis Kelsey for the Chiefs Hawkinson for the Vikings, and the Vikings are
• 44:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: So he's walking into this incredible, incredible situation to where, then you mentioned that Kevin McConnell has done such a great job of making things matter for every single quarterback.
• 44:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: and maximizing their level of output, Sam Donald being one for cousins had his best year with the Minnesota Vikings in 2022.
• 45:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, and in people are under valuing things and people are going back to these narratives about McCarthy from this time at Michigan.
• 45:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: People need to remember, Jim Harba wants to run the football.
• 45:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's all he wants to do, and he's a former quarterback.
• 45:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: But he understands that the idea if you give your quarterback an easy time,
• 45:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: running the ball.
• 45:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: He had a generational prospect in Andrew Luck and still ran the ball more than almost any non-option team in college.
• 45:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's just what he is.
• 45:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: So you didn't get a lot of high leverage situations from McCarthy.
• 45:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: You got a few and he performed well in those, but you didn't get a huge sample size.
• 45:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: And to me that's a question, not really a concern because we have
• 45:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: You have guys like Caleb Williams.
• 45:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: He started for two and a half years.
• 45:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: You kind of know more about what he is.
• 45:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: With McCarthy, there's more variables.
• 45:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: That can be a good and a bad thing because the more variables you have, the more questions you have.
• 46:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: And arguably that pushed him down the board farther than maybe he should have gone.
• 46:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think we'll get that information over the course of this year.
• 46:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: But you just didn't know he did not play in seven fourth quarters in his final year of Michigan.
• 46:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: because that team was really good and they just destroyed teams enough where he didn't have the play.
• 46:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: So once he had to play against Ohio State, we be twice.
• 46:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: His only losses in the college football semi finals against TCU where they lost by three and they got down 21 to three and he came back and took the lead in that game.
• 46:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then he won a national title, where he was really good in tying the game against Alabama and then finishing off that game when he drive.
• 46:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then they destroyed Washington in the final.
• 46:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: So he played in some high leverage games and high leverage situations, but it's minimal.
• 46:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't have to go and play Illinois and you're down three a champagne because that defense is really good and you have to figure out how it went.
• 46:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: They just down me.
• 46:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's unfair to put on him, but it's also fair in
• 47:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: We just don't know yet, and I think we're going to find out pretty quickly, because the Vikings seem to be in one score games consistently, but my big, my big thing, and it's something that they instituted when they started developing them, the process is the progress, and they're really focusing on his process, because results will come from process.
• 47:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: His process has improved a lot.
• 47:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: They really worked on his mechanics,
• 47:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's got a whip.
• 47:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's got an incredibly strong arm.
• 47:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: He threw for 61 miles an hour at the combine.
• 47:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: One mile an hour slower than Joe Milton.
• 47:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: And Milton is considered to have arguably strongest arm ever.
• 47:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: So he's got a whip.
• 47:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: But when you over rotate your hips and you lose out on some of that torque, because you need to control it.
• 47:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, his deep ball would die on it.
• 47:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: So they've really worked on fixing that.
• 47:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: And his back leg isn't rotating out as much, which gives him more control.
• 47:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: It gives him
• 47:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: That kind of thing has really instituted in practice.
• 47:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: He dominated joint practice the second one against a new in the Patriots Just was lighting the world on fire and he didn't get to work with Justin Jefferson at all during camp because he was nursing a minor hamstring injury Which he's fine for week one, but he developed a real rapport with Addison and Hawkins say and he worked with Adam Thielin over the course of the last two summers So the process is going to be was really good for McCarthy and I think that will develop into results is going to be bumpy
• 48:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I think he's going to be fine.
• 48:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: And there's too many overreactions to, oh, we just didn't like McCarthy come out.
• 48:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we're just going to be like, all this team's winning six games.
• 48:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: The town on this roster is good enough for McCarthy's average.
• 48:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: They can win 12.
• 48:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'll probably win 10 or 11.
• 48:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Then this division's really hard.
• 48:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: But McCarthy's going to be fine.
• 48:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: And nobody's walking to better situation.
• 48:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody talked about Caleb Williams having the best situation ever.
• 48:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: multiple ways and they don't bear out.
• 48:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I always said that that it was an overreaction saying Caleb was coming.
• 49:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like I still felt offensive line was still it was going to be bad.
• 49:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Shane Waldron, I was never confident in everybody already wanted to be Burflu's fired.
• 49:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: So to me, it was kind of a weird thing to say that.
• 49:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I get John Dr. Swift is swift.
• 49:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's anything that people are like writing home about.
• 49:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of interesting that people always said that because I really don't think he had, and it looks, it ended up being more of a disaster than people even maybe thought.
• 49:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: But speaking of that, the wider sewers, is there concern at all a week one, because Jordan Addison won't be playing, he's suspended right now.
• 49:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that is the connection that you feel like kind of he has Justin Jefferson, they haven't practiced together, but you said not at all they have it.
• 49:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: uh... i think they had just very limited to practices together uh... they didn't work out in the offseason together so it's not like they're gonna go in with zero chemistry is nothing so it is a concern at all with that and how much did the atom feeling decision maybe factor into Jordan as a not being here for a little bit i think there's a really no concern about jeperson and macarmy's chemistry i
• 50:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not worried about it.
• 50:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Jefferson is Jefferson.
• 50:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: You'll learn a little nuance here and there about where he likes things and stuff, but they'll get figured out.
• 50:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not worried about it.
• 50:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: The feeling edition is too full.
• 50:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: One, they wanted to make sure that they had a little bit of extra depth for the Addison thing, but they also just don't trust Jalen and Taylor come completely as the number three or the number two.
• 50:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Last year he was fine, but throughout the course
• 50:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: And the drop issues were a really big problem.
• 50:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: And now that you bring in Theland, who's going to just be a solid hand, and he's going to be a lethal in the red zone, which is, are you with the biggest problem that I can tell last year?
• 50:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it, like, feels not 2020 feeling where he's coming off two straight probals, he's, he's just a good player, and the Vikings could use another good player in that receiver room, and they have chemistry because they worked out together last two years.
• 50:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Plus, he really knows the playbook.
• 51:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: So,
• 51:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: It would be different if they like, I know they called on like Chris a lot of it.
• 51:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: If they were to got Chris a lot of you, he's got to learn the playbook, he's got to learn the system, he's got to learn the building and he's got to learn chemistry with McCarthy.
• 51:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Feeling already has all of that.
• 51:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's just a seamless addition.
• 51:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is it in a delete one?
• 51:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, but it's going to give you a baseline and help alleviate some of that pressure off from Jefferson, which is going to really feel inferior without Addison.
• 51:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a when that happened.
• 51:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I just feel like it.
• 51:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't I feel like Adam Theland should have never left the Vikings.
• 51:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: He just feels like a Viking to me.
• 51:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what it is about him, but it's just always had that vibe.
• 51:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: So when it happened, I was like, I feel like this makes sense offensive line.
• 51:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned that in you and I were kind of commenting back and forth on a different post when I was like, it's weird seeing the bears being in top rankings of offensive line.
• 51:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: You got to see it on the field.
• 51:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's just on paper.
• 51:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously we know that.
• 51:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you bring in.
• 51:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: And Chicago, obviously, with Domin and Tony, who were two of the better players, the last couple season, and then Jonah Jackson, who has been injured, and so we'll see which Jonah Jackson you get.
• 52:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: But you guys also, there was a lot of what between Will Freeze, who was somebody that I really wanted Jackson to get, people know I covered Jackson, the Jackson too, I really wanted them to go after Will Freeze.
• 52:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: But in the Ryan Kelly, obviously, and then drafting Donovan Jackson in the first round.
• 52:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of changes when it comes to your guys' offensive line,
• 52:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're a saw, you're hoping, you know, that health of him, that's a big thing too.
• 52:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: So just talk a little bit about the offensive line, what you've seen this off season and what you're expecting from those changes.
• 52:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's the Vikings are they really ride the line of arrogance and confidence with their medical staff.
• 52:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: And all the additions they made over the last two off seasons, they're betting that Ryan Kelly will stay healthy.
• 52:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's had two fully healthy seasons in this entire group.
• 52:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're betting John can now in a Jvon Hargraven defense to stay healthy.
• 52:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: He only had one injury injury, so it's not like a constant thing.
• 52:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: But the previous season, they've had an Aaron Jones thing healthy.
• 53:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: He got banned up what he played all 17 games.
• 53:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: They've had a play catchman who was often injured.
• 53:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: He missed three, and they bet on Andrew Venganko, who's coming off of a Jones fractured in his foot.
• 53:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: And guess what?
• 53:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: You played all 17 games, second team all pro.
• 53:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: They've made these calculated bets that we can keep these guys healthier than everybody else can.
• 53:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's worked.
• 53:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Eventually, you're just going to have to pay the paper because injuries happen.
• 53:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can't predict an ACL injury.
• 53:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can't predict a torn Achilles.
• 53:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to happen to this team.
• 53:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: They happened last year of Christian Derosaw on a simple zone play when it was the end of the second quarter and they were just trying to run off the clock when they were buried in their own end.
• 53:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Stuff happens.
• 53:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: They can't predict it.
• 53:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: But the
• 53:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: They overcorrected a little bit.
• 53:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't think they needed to take down of injecting them in the first trial.
• 53:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, was it a bad pick?
• 53:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it was a bad pick.
• 53:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was, we're doing this over correction.
• 54:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: We need to just make sure all five spots are 100% because when Blake Brandt will play next to Christian Derisot, sick pressures allowed, he was grading out as one of the best cards in football.
• 54:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Post-Christian Derisot, he was pretty rough.
• 54:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: And Cam Robinson was a great trade.
• 54:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was fine, he cratered him at the end of the season, but he gave you a baseline of stability
• 54:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: But with how Cam Robinson plays versus how Christian Darius out plays, and Cam Robinson just got a little too perpendicular to the line of scrimmage, and then that allowed players to really be able to be brandled.
• 54:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think he felt like he had to try an overcompensate because Robinson would just get smoked to the inside.
• 54:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was a big reason why he had some of those struggles.
• 54:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, you got Kelly, got fries.
• 54:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now let's go get a corner.
• 54:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's beef up there.
• 54:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: They chose Jackson.
• 54:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they needed to do that, but now that they have it, they theoretically have all five spots taken care of for this year and probably next year and then you got to figure out, send on what's Ryan Kelly's is either he gets extended after his two-year deal or then run and they won last year's seventh run, pick Michael Triggins who had a really good preseason training camp.
• 55:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: So,
• 55:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: The offensive line theoretically should be really good.
• 55:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: McCarthy also gets the ball faster than Sam Donald, which was a big reason why the O'Line looked as bad as it did.
• 55:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: His Donald was, he is, and I mean, this end of comfort on our way, he's a psychopath.
• 55:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Same with Kevin O'Connell.
• 55:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: They love chasing shots.
• 55:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And to be, to his credit, Sam Donald was the best quarterback in a number of categories throwing the ball 20 yards plus down the field.
• 55:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: You had the second most touch honestly at the most completion is the most completion percentage and the most yards of any quarterback in the NFL.
• 55:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: So he, they were making it work, but it's okay to take 60 yards instead of chasing 26 because you don't want to get hit in Sam Donald took.
• 56:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: 48 sacs last year.
• 56:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can't be doing that.
• 56:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: You have to be smarter and more calculated.
• 56:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: And with how McCarthy plays, he's going to be more willing to just take the state back.
• 56:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Not to check down per se.
• 56:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, you're going to give me six yards on first down.
• 56:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'll just take that all day.
• 56:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll go second and four and we'll just keep moving the ball.
• 56:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: And eventually, they're going to hit those
• 56:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: they're not going to be hunting them in the same way last year.
• 56:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: That'll help the old land as well.
• 56:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: So
• 56:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: If they stay healthy, this could arguably be the best unit in football.
• 56:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think it'll probably have a drone around between 5th and 10th because there's so much talent on it.
• 56:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: But it's such a significant improvement.
• 56:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is the best O-1, the Vikings had had since 2009 when they made the NSC Championship game.
• 56:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: And they were this close to winning it.
• 56:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's been an issue for years in this town.
• 56:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: And now it doesn't feel like it is anymore.
• 57:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we know about that Tyler, believe me, the offensive line issues.
• 57:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to say, I don't even know the number anymore because I've lost track.
• 57:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: But the last two seasons, the bears have had like, I want to say over 14 different offensive line formations because of injuries, venturing, whatever may happen.
• 57:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's been ugly.
• 57:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to switch to the other side of the ball.
• 57:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: So defensively past rush, that's something that obviously Brian Flores.
• 57:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: We've talked about the blitz.
• 57:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about how creative he is.
• 57:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: All sorts of guys are being sent on that when you look at last year.
• 57:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: The guys that were getting sacs a Jonathan Grinard who I honestly was very jealous of that signing last year and I remember people freaking out they're like what they got rid of to new hunter and they get drawn up in Grinard and I'm like I really like Grinard and he had a healthy season last year he played every game which he had it and the rest of his career so that's something you and you talk about that.
• 57:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: that medical staff, you guys have there.
• 57:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: They do something.
• 57:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, between Jonathan Allen, you know, with the, you get a Devon Hargrave now, you've got, sorry, did I say Jonathan Allen, I'm at Grinard that whole time.
• 58:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: But Jonathan Allen Grinard, obviously Hargrave.
• 58:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Van Ginko, you talked about what he was able to do last year and you talk about some of things like very early on.
• 58:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's just one of those guys that very much sort of annoying me when we were playing you guys.
• 58:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: But what do you think about that past rush and you talked about the interior wise?
• 58:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: What that could help if you actually start getting some sex from the inside from your defensive tackles?
• 58:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: So what are you expecting when it comes to the past rush in general?
• 58:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm expecting a lot of really good things.
• 58:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: And the interesting thing about the Grinar
• 58:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't do all hunters a better player.
• 58:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: I really don't think you can make a super strong argument that the current art is better.
• 58:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: But he was a better fit for all brought in for us wants to play football.
• 58:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's a hunter is not very quick off the ball.
• 58:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's incredibly methodical and really good once he gets engaged.
• 58:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: But it takes him an extra half second to get that engagement whereas Grinard is lightning quick off the ball.
• 59:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that matters with help Ryan for his wants to play because they're their base package is sending five rushers They want to pressure you and pressure you quickly Well, if you have a guy like Hunter who takes an extra half second to really get into into his past rush That doesn't really work in the same way so even though hunters a better player It was smart to move on and get reenwart in the building
• 59:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: and now that Hunter is making about 35 million dollars here, Bernard's at 19, he feels like a steal.
• 59:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he was the engine that cooked the entire defense.
• 59:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was really impressive to watch.
• 59:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't just as a past refresher, which he had 12 sacks, but he forced a lot of quarterbacks into other people.
• 59:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's like, when you look at the packers, Michael Parsons, Mike is going to get his.
• 59:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: But how will he impact the rest of the line and how will the rest of the line really improve their numbers because of what Mike is doing?
• 59:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of how Grinart is not to the same level, but he forces everybody to other players.
• 1:00:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Pat Jones had seven sacks last year.
• 1:00:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like Cashman and Ivan Pace had multiple sacks at inside linebacker.
• 1:00:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's doing those kind of things and making that kind of event that bus in the run game.
• 1:00:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's shooting gaps in busting up zone plays, which was all kinds of fun.
• 1:00:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: but now that you have interior russures, they're not going to feel the need to do these super long gated stunts, where Andrew Vengic will line up as a wide nine and he crash the other A or B gap on the other side of the line, those take a while to develop.
• 1:00:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, hey, Jonathan Allen, just do a hump move and just get to the quarterback in two seconds.
• 1:00:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's the idea of bringing in him and heart rate because they can do that.
• 1:00:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I think the password is in a really, really good spot.
• 1:00:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Plus they're obsessed with Dallas Turner.
• 1:00:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a really good camp and
• 1:00:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: They think of him as a third starter.
• 1:00:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: He only played three hundred and ten snaps last year, but with where he was at with his body composition and the roles they asked their backups to play in Pat Jones and Jihad work, which they were mainly on the inside.
• 1:01:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Turner wasn't ready for that at 247 pounds.
• 1:01:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: 21 years old, he was not built like a grown man.
• 1:01:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like that, we used that verb as a Jared verse, was a grown-ass man coming out of our state.
• 1:01:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:01:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was 24.
• 1:01:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a little different.
• 1:01:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: So he and you weren't taking Grinart and Van Ginkloth the field to get Turner more snaps.
• 1:01:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: So he was just kind of eight.
• 1:01:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: He placed her in the 10 snaps.
• 1:01:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's okay.
• 1:01:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's not really that big of a deal.
• 1:01:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: They think they have three starters at Edge.
• 1:01:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: They've got pretty solid depth at that position too.
• 1:01:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: And the depth Eddrasher mean that Eddrasher is bow Richter.
• 1:01:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: who played at Air Force was a UDFA last year, but he's got like a 99th percentile athleticism, and he played a full season off the ball in multiple seasons at Edge.
• 1:01:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: This dude isn't a meba.
• 1:01:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that in turn is a really interesting idea because that's kind of what Vankinco was.
• 1:01:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Vankinco wasn't an ad rush or really till he came to Minnesota.
• 1:02:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was an off-ball guy.
• 1:02:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Turner, you can play him off ball.
• 1:02:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: They dropped him into coverage 55 times, of those three hundred ten snaps last year.
• 1:02:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: And when you have a backup light Richter, they can do a lot of different things.
• 1:02:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Grinni drops too, but a little less frequently than Van Gainkle because, well, Grinniard is not quite as good at it.
• 1:02:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: So from a past-rush perspective, I'm curious if they just blitz less because they have dudes on the interior now, but
• 1:02:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is a comfortably, the best overall idea on the Vikings is what this pastor has given me.
• 1:02:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's funny because down here, I was sitting at my desk when the packers made the trade for my comparisons and everybody came in my office and they're like, oh no, I feel so sorry for you and I'm like, it sucks, but the bears were already no, like the the NFC North already has a lot of past pressures.
• 1:02:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of guys that can get to the
• 1:02:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: the quarterback.
• 1:02:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's why the bears invested so much on the offensive line this last off season.
• 1:03:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was already a plan of having to do it.
• 1:03:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Will it work?
• 1:03:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 1:03:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: You've got to see a few things play out.
• 1:03:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're still considering the fraction of Jones at left tackle.
• 1:03:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: The rest feel like you're pretty confident in.
• 1:03:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like you're going to have to add some chip help and put an extra tight end or an extra alignment down there.
• 1:03:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: to help Braxton every now and then, but I was like the micoparsons, I hate it, I hate him going to the packers, but you already were concerned about the past pressures in the end of scene north.
• 1:03:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I do want to, before I let you go, I want to talk about the secondary a little bit adding Isaiah Rogers and Jeff Acuda, thoughts on that, because I think there were some really good moments in the secondary for the Vikings last year, and then there were some moments where you felt like definitely
• 1:03:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Some things got exposed a little bit.
• 1:03:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it thoughts on what you've seen from camp and that perspective and obviously pass rush helps that too If you're if you're getting multiple guys through the quarterback that takes a lot of pressure off those guys in the back But thoughts on where you got to stand for that the quarterback position has been really unfortunate for a multitude of reasons and the biggest one being That they saw a huge role for Cadbury Jackson.
• 1:04:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: They took him at fourth wrong last year and then he passed away tragically last July and a car accident
• 1:04:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: And Mackay Black, when he was a drafting third round two years ago, they projected a big roll from last year too.
• 1:04:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Tours ACL, the first day of camp.
• 1:04:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then this year, it felt like he didn't trust his knee.
• 1:04:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was the vibe I got.
• 1:04:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Then you can look back at the preseason gaming and spatriots.
• 1:04:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: That afternoon chism touched on that was all over Twitter.
• 1:04:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, one that dude just googled.
• 1:04:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was really impressed with you during practices.
• 1:04:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: But on mesh,
• 1:04:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, create the shortest path back to the receiver and man coverage.
• 1:04:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's taking the long way around like he's, yeah, he's not he's trying to go around South America and not through the Panama Canal.
• 1:04:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of the best way to describe it.
• 1:04:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like this dude doesn't trust his knee and when you come back from an ACL mentally that's the hardest part.
• 1:04:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: You have to be willing to have that confidence that you're knees gonna hold up.
• 1:04:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it didn't, he struggled, and they decided to just kind of cut bait and get a six-row on pick for him, which that's things too, because they thought he could have a really big impact.
• 1:05:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah.
• 1:05:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Where did he go?
• 1:05:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Colts.
• 1:05:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 1:05:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: They spend so much time trying to fix the trenches.
• 1:05:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, okay, if we completely fix this past rush, which was already really good, our corner backs are going to be as big of a deal.
• 1:05:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Plus they loved to run big nickel with three safety's.
• 1:05:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's that in itself isn't as big of a deal.
• 1:05:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: But they only have four corners on the roster right now.
• 1:05:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: By our Murphy, starting pro ball world last year, he's good and they like to kick him inside to the slot when they run normal nickel packages because they love what he can do in the slot, but he's really good on the outside too.
• 1:05:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: They love Isaiah Rogers and think he's a huge upside play for them.
• 1:05:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: And when you look at how Brian Flores likes to call his defenses,
• 1:05:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Rogers fits perfectly.
• 1:05:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: And Jeff Ocuda, he's been a bust, but there's two things he can do, click and close and run with receivers.
• 1:05:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's basically what they want him to do.
• 1:06:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: As long he doesn't play like straight man to man, because he just lives in this dangerous world, where he's like, oh, I have the athleticism to catch up to you.
• 1:06:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, then you just don't because you so much, that's to me one of the big reasons why he was a bust.
• 1:06:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I think this
• 1:06:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to take a couple of them in the draft.
• 1:06:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to sign one and they're going to really fix that position, but they've been calculated on how they've gone about their free agencies and off seasons to really we're going to hammer this position and completely fix it.
• 1:06:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was edge in 24 it was the offense and defense of lines in 25 and I think that's your score.
• 1:06:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: So they're solid as long as those guys stay healthy if they don't.
• 1:06:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: It could be a catastrophic event, but their core room is still better than the Packers, so let's think of that.
• 1:06:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
• 1:06:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, if I know I'm for your Tyler, so what are your expectations money?
• 1:07:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not asking you score anything like that, but do, does Ben Johnson just let Caleb go?
• 1:07:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think he'll kind of reel it in?
• 1:07:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Use some training wheels for a little bit, and then the same question for KOC with
• 1:07:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: with JJ McCarthy, what are your expectations offensively with both how these coaches handle?
• 1:07:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know Caleb year two, but Ben Johnson and Caleb being together for the first time, then obviously, KOC and JJ McCarthy, they're first start together also.
• 1:07:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: I really have no idea what Ben Johnson and Caleb will do.
• 1:07:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
• 1:07:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: One thing that fascinates me is,
• 1:07:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Did he run that offense in Detroit, the way he did because he had your goff?
• 1:07:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Or is that really how he wants to live?
• 1:07:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I know at the beginning of our segment, I talked about, you know, it's not match made in heaven.
• 1:07:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: But if he wants to run it that way, it's a problem.
• 1:07:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: If he doesn't.
• 1:07:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, what is that really going to look like?
• 1:07:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just eerily fascinated about how that match up is going to look.
• 1:07:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: And for McCarthy, I think O'Connell is going to really play it smart.
• 1:08:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: He does not have to put a lot on McCarthy shoulders, but when it comes to those high-level situations, those third and intermediate, McCarthy and his final year of Michigan is one of the best in college football at being able to convert those.
• 1:08:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think there will be a lot of training wheels, but I think there's going to be, I can almost guarantee you that first play the game is going to be a play action boot, dump off to Josh Oliver in the flat and he's going to go 10 yards for a first out.
• 1:08:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: O'Connell's obsessed with running that early in games, but they've got a two running back, so O'Connell trusts.
• 1:08:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: He finally feels he can trust his ol' line as far as being able to open up lanes in the run game.
• 1:08:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: And they couldn't run short yards to save their life last year, that should be fixed with Jordan Mason and the whole line improvements, I think I don't think there'll be training wheels, but I think it'll be a little bit more of a
• 1:08:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's let our playmakers make plays kind of game plan.
• 1:08:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then once we have to put the ball in McCarthy's hands, we will do it.
• 1:08:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: But let's out force it.
• 1:08:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's make the game as easy as possible for him.
• 1:09:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: And McCarthy is his first game ever attended was that soldier field.
• 1:09:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was against the Vikings.
• 1:09:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it was Adrian Peterson's rookie or when he ran for over
• 1:09:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Minnesota's my home now.
• 1:09:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is a business trip.
• 1:09:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: So he's got the right mentality.
• 1:09:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's got the right mindset going into this.
• 1:09:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's going to be just fine, but it's also money and football and it's also soldier field where Vikings hopes and dreams go to die.
• 1:09:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: So who really knows this is going to be a fascinating game.
• 1:09:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'll I'll say this because I want your opinion.
• 1:09:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they just put in a new surface and soldier feel that there are five days of concerts.
• 1:09:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is that going to be a problem for both teams?
• 1:09:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because that surface has been a nightmare over the years.
• 1:09:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's been a hot mess.
• 1:09:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: We've obviously complained about it a lot.
• 1:09:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I hope not.
• 1:10:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I hope that it's good, but they have this problem.
• 1:10:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to say this happened last year where they had a concert like a week or two before they played their first home game and everybody's like, what are you doing like you have a professional football team that this is their home and you're ruining it because you can't get like you want to have a concert right before a big game.
• 1:10:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I hope not you would never want injuries you never want that to be an issue where people are slipping and falling and things like that start to happen so I really hope not but with what history tells is you're going to have some moments something during the game will happen will people are going to say oh it's because the field.
• 1:10:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't quite ready or it's new and whatever the case may be.
• 1:10:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was a couple things based on what you were saying.
• 1:10:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting.
• 1:10:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's funny because I just did segment yesterday on helmets and heels talking about the teams that used motion the most last year in play action.
• 1:10:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it was literally Kevin O'Connell, Ben Johnson, and Sean McVay last year.
• 1:10:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, well, well, I'm guessing we'll see a lot.
• 1:10:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so when you said the first play being that, I was like, makes sense.
• 1:11:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I could see it happening.
• 1:11:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, so it will be it's going to be a very interesting game because I think there are a lot of newness on both teams.
• 1:11:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of kind of what is this exactly going to look like.
• 1:11:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that when it comes to that relationship between Ben and Caleb.
• 1:11:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what to expect Ben Johnson made a comment yesterday.
• 1:11:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was that said, um,
• 1:11:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Pretty much depending how Caleb practices these three days this week is how much I'll let him have on Monday and it's kind of like I can certainly to you come out of can.
• 1:11:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I know because I've learned so much about Ben Johnson.
• 1:11:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it would have if I haven't felt like I've learned his personality so well and how he is and just how much of a perfectionist and like he's he's like a mathematician like he's very everything is strategic goal every step and like when it comes to receivers like this step needs to be on this hash at this exact second and blah blah
• 1:11:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: So if it doesn't feel like they're going to be able to do that on the field, I could see him wanting to reel it in a little bit.
• 1:12:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: I also just think that because of the left tackle situation, because of it's hard to tell him preseason, you know, that first game, we were like, okay, this looks fantastic.
• 1:12:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: The offense drove right down and scored and it looked fluid and it looked like everything was working and then
• 1:12:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: you had that final preseason game where it didn't quite work like that.
• 1:12:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Everything I'm hearing from CAMP seems positive.
• 1:12:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't seem like Caleb's early in camp.
• 1:12:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: There were some struggles, but he was learning this playbook and there was a lot of things going on, but so I don't know, but
• 1:12:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think early on they'll break be concerns if early on we're feeling if it's three and out because that one time last year did the very score on the opening drive by the way.
• 1:12:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so if you're getting to that again where it's you're one, two, three series in and you're still not scoring that people will probably start to be like, oh no.
• 1:12:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: There'll be a group of people on Twitter already calling for Tyson, Bayja, and Guirin, but yeah, so it's fascinating, Tyler.
• 1:12:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what to expect.
• 1:12:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what either offense is really going to look like defensively.
• 1:13:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Even like you guys, you know, you know what that, Brian Flores defenses are scary and all sorts of guys are getting sent out your quarterback.
• 1:13:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's always a terrifying thing on the bare side.
• 1:13:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's not a whole lot of past rush.
• 1:13:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: to try and get some to help the outside guys a little bit.
• 1:13:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know, it'll be very interesting, but I do think that it will be a good indication at least of how well the offences will click, at least right away, you know, things will gradual as the season goes, you get more comfortable in the offences and you get more comfortable with your weapons and things like that.
• 1:13:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: But for the time being, it's hard for me to say, I wouldn't be surprised if the bear score 10, but then I wouldn't be surprised if the bear score
• 1:13:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: this is going to be such a fascinating game.
• 1:13:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that some money that football to me is really upsetting because the soldier field is just such a weird place for the Vikings and it has been since like the year 2000, we're just the weirdest things happen to this team yet.
• 1:14:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: And National Media is going to take whatever McCarthy does and that's going to be his entire narrative all season.
• 1:14:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: because I don't know how it is for various fans, but Viking fans don't like national media very much because it feels like nobody truly tries to understand what the Vikings are and who they are and what they're about and how the coaches really feel about these players just feels like, oh, they just win one score games and they're just going to progress there so little missed the playoffs.
• 1:14:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's no, that's not what this team is about.
• 1:14:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I just hope that McCarthy is good because if he's good or average at least, we won't have to deal with that on suffering, on sufferable behavior of, oh, he's just bad.
• 1:14:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's bad, he's a bust, we don't need that.
• 1:14:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we believe me.
• 1:14:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: We've been dealing with it all off season.
• 1:14:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it was an offensive coordinator who couldn't make it seven weeks and I had coach fired on Thanksgiving
• 1:15:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: killed through 20 touchdowns and six picks for 3,500 yards.
• 1:15:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we still hear about it constantly.
• 1:15:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: That is a bust.
• 1:15:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.
• 1:15:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: It will, the NFC North has very intriguing this year as it's been recently anyways, but I think especially this year just because of some of the movement, obviously, with Ben Johnson.
• 1:15:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: But Detroit losing both their coordinators.
• 1:15:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: What does that look like?
• 1:15:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: You guys with the young quarterback and what's Jordan love?
• 1:15:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Are we getting, you know, there's so many storylines of season, so it'll be fun.
• 1:15:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I really appreciate your time.
• 1:15:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: As usual, we'll chat the next time.
• 1:15:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'll come on yours the next time that we have that we meet.
• 1:15:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: When is that?
• 1:15:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: When is our next meeting?
• 1:15:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember.
• 1:15:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's getting an November right thing.
• 1:15:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: November, okay.
• 1:15:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I thought so too.
• 1:15:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so we have a little bit of time that maybe the offenses will see what they look like between there then and then and now, but I appreciate your time again, Tyler, and I would say good luck,
• 1:15:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: May all your players stay healthy and the bear is just a game.
• 1:16:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
• 1:16:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 1:16:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, that's it.
• 1:16:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: In reverse, but yes, and thank you.
• 1:16:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Have a good one.
• 1:16:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we will chat soon.
• 1:16:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: My pleasure, Taylor.
• 1:16:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Talk to you.