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Men and their Skin. Why they should care. · Skinquiries

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  Speaker 1: I'm not a shamed to say that I put a
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  Speaker 1: lot of time and effort as well as money into
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  Speaker 1: my own skin. I love all the treatments, I love
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  Speaker 1: all the lasers. But according to doctor Munibe Shat, not
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  Speaker 1: everyone can say the same.
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  Speaker 2: The guys always inevitably are like, there's resistance to like
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  Speaker 2: accepting that they actually care.
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  Speaker 3: They don't want to admit that. And then visit to visit.
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  Speaker 2: You just see their personalities changing as their skin gets better.
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  Speaker 2: Once they start to see progress, I think they really
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  Speaker 2: kind of enjoy it. They're like, oh, this is working,
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  Speaker 2: and I actually do feel better, and now I do
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  Speaker 2: want to talk about my skin.
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  Speaker 1: If there's one thing I've learned so far in this podcast,
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  Speaker 1: it's that healthy skin matters and it should be an
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  Speaker 1: option for everyone. So let's get past those ingrained gender
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  Speaker 1: norms and get to know more about men and skin. Hi, guys,
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  Speaker 1: and welcome. I'm so glad you're here. I'm Nicole Berry
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  Speaker 1: and this is Skin Queries, a show all about our
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  Speaker 1: skin and its health as we grow in age. Our
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  Speaker 1: skin is really a record of a life well lived,
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  Speaker 1: because there isn't one body part that I can think
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  Speaker 1: of that reflects our well being as clearly as our skin.
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  Speaker 1: So let's go on this journey together to really understand
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  Speaker 1: what's going on with our skin. Let's unravel the mysteries
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  Speaker 1: happening inside and out.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome back.
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  Speaker 1: I can't wait to dive into this one today. It's
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  Speaker 1: all about men and their skin. As you heard in
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  Speaker 1: episode three, a very important person in my life dealt
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  Speaker 1: with some skin issues, my husband, Nick, who has flaxorisis.
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  Speaker 1: Nick is the guy who moves boxes, carry stuff, literally
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  Speaker 1: builds our house with his bare hands. Yet he still
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  Speaker 1: felt self conscious when his own hands became very red
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  Speaker 1: and swollen. How he looked affected how he operated in
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  Speaker 1: the world. So few of us are immune from that,
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  Speaker 1: which goes against the stereotype that men are tough, they
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  Speaker 1: have thick skin, and they don't care about what they
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  Speaker 1: look like or their skin care. But limiting people and
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  Speaker 1: setting expectations about what they are and are not supposed
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  Speaker 1: to care about doesn't serve anyone. So instead of digging
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  Speaker 1: up old gender stereotypes, we figured we go straight to
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  Speaker 1: the source and ask men, how do you take care
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  Speaker 1: of your skin?
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  Speaker 5: That's never something I can to talk about, but I
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  Speaker 5: would say most men at least like wash their face
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  Speaker 5: with face wash.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like some people will go like too far though,
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  Speaker 2: buying all the products and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Like, you don't need all that. If you eat healthy
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  Speaker 3: food is a big part, and like moisturize, you'll probably
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  Speaker 3: be all right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I just have predominant oly skin, and I think some
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  Speaker 5: of the products I've been introduced by with my wife
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  Speaker 5: just take care of a little bit more. I just
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  Speaker 5: feel way more competent with my skin than I was.
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  Speaker 5: Probably Like during my undergrad.
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  Speaker 2: I had terrible acne and I tried washing my skin.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't really do anything.
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  Speaker 2: So now I just do it as a precaution not
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  Speaker 2: to get bad acne again.
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  Speaker 5: Obviously under your beard for a lot of men to
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  Speaker 5: get dry really quickly, and there's a lot of friction
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  Speaker 5: that happens when you're sleeping or just touching your beard.
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  Speaker 5: That's just like every day when I get out of
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  Speaker 5: the shower, it's a little bit of oil and there's
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  Speaker 5: a night cream.
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  Speaker 3: What do we call that?
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  Speaker 5: The Yeah, see, there you go moisturizer. So just trying
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  Speaker 5: to have to be consistent with that.
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  Speaker 1: That's so funny, moisturizer. Thanks for sharing your experiences. It
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  Speaker 1: goes to show we all have to start somewhere to
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  Speaker 1: break it all down. We're going to talk to a
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  Speaker 1: dermatologist who makes a point of including men in.
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  Speaker 4: His practice and his skincare line. Doctor MINIEB.
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  Speaker 1: Shaw, speaks from his experience about what it's like to
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  Speaker 1: care for your skin and how he sees it affect
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  Speaker 1: other men and boys of all ages. But first we're
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  Speaker 1: going to talk to father and daughter duo Elsa and
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  Speaker 1: Ismael Kavazos. Elsa wrote an article about her dad for
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  Speaker 1: Cosmo called Everything I Know about my skincare I learned
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  Speaker 1: from my Mexican dad. Elsa says her dad destroyed stereotypes
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  Speaker 1: by really caring about and treating his acne at a
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  Speaker 1: young age, back in the nineteen seventies. He says it
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  Speaker 1: was not something other men his age were doing, but
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  Speaker 1: as Elsa tells it, her dad isn't like other people.
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  Speaker 1: As I was so inspired by your article for Cosmo
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  Speaker 1: about how everything you learned about skincare came from your dad,
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  Speaker 1: which is such a beautiful story, and do you want
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  Speaker 1: to tell us about your journey through skincare and how
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  Speaker 1: it related to your dad.
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  Speaker 7: Basically, I'm a journalist and a writer, and when I
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  Speaker 7: was thinking about writing something unique related to my culture
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  Speaker 7: and also skin, I just instantly thought about this fact
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  Speaker 7: that I learned a lot about skin from my dad.
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  Speaker 7: Even though my mom is also interested in skin, it
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  Speaker 7: was just more my dad. And once I got agny,
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  Speaker 7: he like totally freaked out.
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  Speaker 4: It's ma'am, can you tell us more about your journey?
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  Speaker 6: I was born and raised writing on the border with
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  Speaker 6: brownswith Texas, which is Matta Motives on the Mexican side.
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  Speaker 6: And because I had a ni la kabout to say
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  Speaker 6: fourteen fifteen years old. One time I read an article
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  Speaker 6: in a magazine and I read that some products were
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  Speaker 6: good for my skin, particularly my skin care was for
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  Speaker 6: the face. And then I realized that if I didn't
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  Speaker 6: take care of myself, nobody else is going to do it.
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  Speaker 6: So I started taking care of my skin.
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  Speaker 4: So what did you do?
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  Speaker 6: I remember they called it three step, which I learned
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  Speaker 6: it perfectly. It was first of all, a soap the bar.
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  Speaker 6: The second step, we were using a liquid like a cleanser,
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  Speaker 6: a liquid one. Then you were using a cream like
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  Speaker 6: a moisturizing cream. That was a three step, right, and
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  Speaker 6: I used it for many, many years. I'm selling it too,
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  Speaker 6: and I'm still taking care of my skin with soap,
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  Speaker 6: with a cleanser and moisturizing.
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  Speaker 1: Well, your skin shows, it looks amazing, You're glowing. And
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  Speaker 1: so back in the seventies, what was it like around
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  Speaker 1: men and skin care did you feel did you feel
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  Speaker 1: proud about using it? Were you kind of embarrassed? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: were there any feelings around you starting your own skincare
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  Speaker 1: or did you not care?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I was the only one among all my friends,
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  Speaker 6: and I'm talking about nobody. Nobody was using skin care products.
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  Speaker 6: I was the only one in those back in those years.
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  Speaker 4: And so how did you feel about being the only one?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I was not promoting to my friends that I
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  Speaker 6: was using those skincares, but I was not.
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  Speaker 4: Hiding them, you know, right right, So I'm not going.
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  Speaker 6: To tell everybody, but if somebody noticed when we go
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  Speaker 6: to a hotel or a field trip, they noticed, you scared. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: I think I'm a skin but it was kind of strange, rare.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's hard to be the only one doing
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  Speaker 1: anything right to be a trailblazer. How did you figure
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  Speaker 1: out that your dad was going to be such an
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  Speaker 1: interesting subject to others, like what made you think to
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  Speaker 1: write about him?
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  Speaker 7: So, I think it's interesting you asked him if he
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  Speaker 7: was scared to go to the store or like embarrassed.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think this man is ever embarrassed to do anything,
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  Speaker 7: Like he's just he's so like my parents are so
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  Speaker 7: unapologized themselves, and I don't think they're ever like, oh,
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  Speaker 7: how is this going to look like?
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  Speaker 1: They?
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  Speaker 5: I don't.
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  Speaker 7: They don't live their life by how society does.
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  Speaker 6: You know?
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  Speaker 7: And I think that's how I was raised. So I
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  Speaker 7: wanted to talk about the way that we see men, right,
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  Speaker 7: and I wrote it in the article. My dad is
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  Speaker 7: one of the people I know that cries the most,
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  Speaker 7: and a lot of people always say like, oh, I've
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  Speaker 7: never seen my dad cry, and like my dad is
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  Speaker 7: so like oh, men can't cry, and like you can't
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  Speaker 7: be sensitive and this and that, and I wanted to
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  Speaker 7: I wanted to talk about that.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I think that also you mentioned in your article you
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  Speaker 1: know the term metrosexual, right, It's yes, it sometimes can
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  Speaker 1: have kind of like a negative connotation, right if a
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  Speaker 1: man gets his manicures or if he has a skincare routine,
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  Speaker 1: so exactly, So you're really turning that on its head
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  Speaker 1: by sharing, you know, your dad's story, who you admire
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  Speaker 1: so much as kind of like the patriarch of your family,
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  Speaker 1: yet he values his own self care totally.
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  Speaker 7: To be completely honest, I think my dad takes better
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  Speaker 7: care of his skin than I do my own. I'm
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  Speaker 7: really lazy, Like I'd be lying if I said, oh
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  Speaker 7: my gosh, I have this tense step routine that like
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  Speaker 7: a lot of people now have. However, I care about
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  Speaker 7: it and I exfoliate and if I have the chance
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  Speaker 7: to get a facial every now and then, I do it.
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  Speaker 7: But in general, I think now we have so many
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  Speaker 7: male celebrities who like embody and like promote taking care
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  Speaker 7: of yourself in the way that you carry yourself. I
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  Speaker 7: just think it's a little odd that some men are
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  Speaker 7: still like.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, like there's a disconnection, yeah, or.
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  Speaker 7: They're like what for, Like what am I trying to impress?
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, impress yourself, impress yourself.
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  Speaker 1: I really love that.
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  Speaker 4: And there's more to come.
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  Speaker 1: We have dermatologists and skincare brand founder doctor Minipe Shaw
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  Speaker 1: to pull back the curtain on men and skin. Coming
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  Speaker 1: up right after the break, Welcome back to skin Querries. Hi,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Shaw, Welcome to Skin Queries. We're so excited to
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  Speaker 1: have you here.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me on. I'm excited.
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  Speaker 1: Can you introduce yourself and tell us a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about your practice and what you do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm doctor manneebe Shah.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a board certified dermatologist in both general dermatology and
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  Speaker 2: even surgical dermatology. I really do all aspects of anything
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  Speaker 2: that you could think of that has to do with
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  Speaker 2: the skin. So I practice in Hutson Yards in New
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  Speaker 2: York City. I do cosmetics. That's your everything from your
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  Speaker 2: lasers to your botox to your fillers. I do skin
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  Speaker 2: cancer removals, I do skin checks, acne, psoriasis, pretty much everything.
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  Speaker 3: So that's kind of what I do.
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  Speaker 2: And I started creating content on social media about four
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  Speaker 2: years ago, and it's really defined how I practice. I've
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  Speaker 2: learned so much from people on the internet, what their
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  Speaker 2: concerns are for the skin. It's informed what I do
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  Speaker 2: in the office with my patients and kind of vice versa.
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  Speaker 2: So it's been interesting to see the world from both
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  Speaker 2: lenses over the last four years.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's so interesting because I think that content
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  Speaker 1: creation on social media around skin and dermatology. Has guyrocketed
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  Speaker 1: and really informed so many people to also then ask questions,
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  Speaker 1: go see their dermatologists and just learn more.
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  Speaker 4: At least for me, it has.
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  Speaker 1: Do you find that when it comes to men, that
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  Speaker 1: this has shifted the perspective of men and skincare in general?
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  Speaker 3: Definitely.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think social media in general, especially the
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  Speaker 2: way that the TikTok and now the Instagram Real and
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  Speaker 2: YouTube short algorithm works, is they're showing you content from
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  Speaker 2: people that you don't follow, So you're learning all new
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  Speaker 2: things and new interests that you never knew that you
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  Speaker 2: had any idea that it would be something that you
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  Speaker 2: would like. And I think men have now been exposed
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  Speaker 2: to skincare, probably for the first time, and they're like, Wow,
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  Speaker 2: this is pretty interesting and I do want better skin.
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  Speaker 2: I just didn't know that it was accessible or how
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  Speaker 2: to even start. So I think that social media has
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  Speaker 2: created this niche of men that are very interested in
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  Speaker 2: skincare and skin health in general.
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  Speaker 1: What is the ratio of patients you have in the
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  Speaker 1: city that come into your office.
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  Speaker 4: Is it mostly women? Is it mostly man or is
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  Speaker 4: it kind of even?
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  Speaker 3: It's definitely not even.
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  Speaker 2: It's mostly women, and it's true on my social media
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  Speaker 2: platforms as well. It's about eighty percent women and about
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  Speaker 2: twenty percent men.
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  Speaker 4: Interesting, but I would.
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  Speaker 2: Say that twenty percent men for like a skincare and
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  Speaker 2: beauty creator, dermatology creator.
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  Speaker 3: It's high is extremely.
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  Speaker 1: High, right, And so what are some of men's concerns
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  Speaker 1: that you see coming into your office or in your DMS.
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  Speaker 3: It very much is like problem solution.
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  Speaker 2: Usually they have some issue that they want to improve
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  Speaker 2: that they've noticed, maybe their friends have pointed out, or
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  Speaker 2: they noticed it in pictures, so they should come in
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  Speaker 2: with something like you know, para loss is very common
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  Speaker 2: for men, or I have dark circles.
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  Speaker 3: I've always had dark circles. I want to improve that.
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  Speaker 2: I think probably the majority, I would say like seventy
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  Speaker 2: five percent are coming in with a particular concern to
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  Speaker 2: the office for men, and then the other twenty five
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  Speaker 2: percent that have this like less tangible concern. But it's
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  Speaker 2: like it's almost like a skin health Like I just
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  Speaker 2: want to have healthy skin, and I want to know
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  Speaker 2: what I can be doing to have healthier skin for longer.
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  Speaker 1: Are there certain misconceptions about men's skin that we've been
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  Speaker 1: told kind of old wives tales that maybe that they
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  Speaker 1: don't need to cleanse as much, that their skin is
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  Speaker 1: tougher than women's.
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  Speaker 4: You know what is true what isn't true.
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  Speaker 2: Difference is wise in the skin. And we've looked at
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  Speaker 2: these studies over time. There is some variation from study
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  Speaker 2: to study, so it hasn't been consistent across like what
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  Speaker 2: the differences are. But in general, men tend to have
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  Speaker 2: oilier skin, especially like pre fifties, and that's pretty consistent
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  Speaker 2: across the board, but some studies have said that they're
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  Speaker 2: about exactly the same. Most studies show that men have
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  Speaker 2: thicker skin, so more collagen, and then that collagen level
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  Speaker 2: decreases linear with time. So basically from the age of
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  Speaker 2: like twenty and on, like men start to lose collagen
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  Speaker 2: at like a linear rate, where women they have like
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  Speaker 2: a pretty much exponential drop off around menopause because of
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  Speaker 2: the loss of estrogen and progesterone, and so in general
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  Speaker 2: the drop off in collagen decreases more in women, and
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  Speaker 2: also they tend to like have thinner skin at baseline
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  Speaker 2: and less collagen at baseline.
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  Speaker 1: So when you got into medicine, did you always know
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  Speaker 1: that you wanted to be a dermatologist specifically, or what
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  Speaker 1: drew you to the skin?
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  Speaker 2: No, yeah, like I had a really kind of long
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  Speaker 2: and convoluted pathway to get to this point. I initially
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  Speaker 2: selected radiology out of med school. After a year, I realized,
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  Speaker 2: like I missed seeing patients, and I applied to DRM
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  Speaker 2: not knowing much about like what I was going to
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  Speaker 2: get into. I just knew that I was like personally
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  Speaker 2: passionate about skin and hair, and I was like, well,
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  Speaker 2: it's something I have a hobby and so like, but why.
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  Speaker 4: Were you passionate about it? What made you?
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  Speaker 2: I did a good question. I don't know, like I was.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of hard to explain. But I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if anyone's going to relate to this.
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  Speaker 4: Where do you?
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  Speaker 2: Where are you based out of just out of curious? Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so you'll really you'll know what I'm talking about. So,
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  Speaker 2: So I grew up in New York and I was
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  Speaker 2: like part of that like Jim hand laundry generation.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, as a Jersey girl and someone who watched MTV
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  Speaker 1: in the early aughts, I totally get the reference. But
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  Speaker 1: for those who don't know what Jim Tam laundry is,
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  Speaker 1: it's originally from MTV's hit show The Jersey Shore, where
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  Speaker 1: the guys on the show described their daily routine getting fit,
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  Speaker 1: getting some sun, and taking care of their outfits.
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  Speaker 4: Jim Tam Laundry.
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  Speaker 1: The Jim Taanned Laundry crew is very much into skincare,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, I feel right, they're very much into
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  Speaker 1: their whole look.
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  Speaker 2: Right exactly, Like, yeah, there was like the gateways into
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  Speaker 2: things I always feel like, and I think hair was
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  Speaker 2: sort of the gateway from me into skin.
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  Speaker 4: So were you like a poly d situation.
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  Speaker 2: I was, that's that's so like I realized the power
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  Speaker 2: and confidence that a good haircut gave me when I
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  Speaker 2: was like fifteen. You know, I got like a nice
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  Speaker 2: haircut and I was like, well, like I feel like
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  Speaker 2: I look good, I feel confident. And then I just
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  Speaker 2: got like tasched this idea of like getting a nice haircut,
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  Speaker 2: and so I would go to the same barber forever
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  Speaker 2: and I would like really be like okay, like I'm
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  Speaker 2: getting a haircut, like it's going to be a good
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  Speaker 2: day for me. And then it became like eyebrows. This
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  Speaker 2: was kind of like my natural progression. And then the
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  Speaker 2: next step was like skincare it was like, oh, I
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  Speaker 2: want Like I started to get acne, and then I
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  Speaker 2: was like, I really want to have better skin, Like
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to have acne. So to me, it
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  Speaker 2: was like it was really just kind of like a
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  Speaker 2: focus on my appearances and feeling confident in my own
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  Speaker 2: hair and then my own skin.
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  Speaker 3: And so that's kind of how I got there.
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  Speaker 2: But I was part of that group of people who
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  Speaker 2: cared a lot about hair first.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I have an eight year old son and
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  Speaker 1: he's obviously non skincare yet, but there is that trend
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  Speaker 1: of kind of like the Sephora preteens very much into skincare,
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  Speaker 1: like the girls cleaning out Sephora shelves. What would you
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  Speaker 1: say is the right age when it comes to boys
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  Speaker 1: preteens getting into a regiment, you know, acne. I think
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: there's a stigma around that even at such a young age.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: Yet then they feel kind of embarrassed to start addressing it.
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, how would you approach that?
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: A lot of my like teenage male patients, they come
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: in and they're always like a lot of times their
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: parents will be kind of speaking for them interestingly.
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: So they'll how like, what age do they usually come in?
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: And probably around like fifteen sixteen, and they're really quiet
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: and they you know, they have bad acne usually and
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: their mom's like, he's a really bad acne. It really
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: bothers him. And the guys are always inevitably are like no,
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: like you know it, it's no big deal, like I
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: don't care, like it is what it is type of thing.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: But you know, usually generally they're pretty compliant once you
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: give them something to use. Let's say you follow up
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: in two to three months, visit to visit. You just
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: see their personalities changing as their skin gets better. They're
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: more like interactive with you, and then they start to like, oh, well,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: you know, like I have some acne scars, now like
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: what can I do? So like, once they start to
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: see progress, I think they really kind of enjoy it.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: They're like, oh this is working and I actually do
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: feel better, and now I do want to talk about
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: my skin. I want my skin to even be even better.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: So I think usually there's resistance to like accepting that
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: they actually care. They don't want to admit that, and
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: I think once they admit it and they know what
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: to do, they'll actually follow through and do it and
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: actually start to care more and more about their skin.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: So watching that like shift from like I don't care
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: about this really bad acne to like, oh, this like
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: tiny little thing is bothering me. Now, Yeah, it was
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: sort of an interesting and interesting shift. But I do
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: think like this whole sephoritein thing is totally gotten out
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: of hand. You have kids with like I've seen on TikTok,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: like twenty step skincare routines. It's not good for the
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: skin to be using that many products at such a
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: young age because the more you're exposed to things are
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: more likely the order to develop, like sensitization and allergies.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: So for people like at a young age who are
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: now exposing themselves to so much and that's going to
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: have long lasting effects on how their skin reacts to
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: things in the future.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Right. Another thing is facial hair and beards. As far
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: as maintenance, what do you recommend? I mean, I just
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: remember with my dad pim splashing a very strong cologned
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: after shape onto his face and you know, it smells
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: the whole house smelled of it for like three days later.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: I just can't imagine that could be good for your skin.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Some men put a lot of effort into this, especially
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: you have like a longer beard that you've been grown
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: for like a year.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can get very very passionate.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: About this badge of honor.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: I guess it is, yeah, the thicker the beard.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: But with facial hair, yeah, it is a little bit
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: more complex because one beards harbor tons of bacteria, So
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: men really need to like cleanse their beard thoroughly and
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: you can use your traditional facial cleanser on it. Now,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: if you have a longer beard, I actually recommend that
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: you treat it like almost like scalp hair in the
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: sense that you would like shampoo and condition afterwards, and
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: then even potentially use a beard oil.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: But if you have like a beard.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: That's like mine, which is a three on the trimmer,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: you could get away with like a traditional facial cleanser
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: at that point. And then you know, things that men
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: have with beards a lot of times that they deal
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: with is ingrown hairs and after care of the beard.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: I really like glycolic acid exfolians just in general to
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: prevent ingrown hairs, and it doesn't have all that alcohol
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: and fragrance that traditional after shapes would have in them,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: but it's going to have that same benefit that you
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: would get from a traditional after shape.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: Marketing can have a lot to do with it, right.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can have the greatest product, but if you
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: don't know how to market it, then like nobody knows
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: about it and nobody will buy it. And so part
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: of the reason why like men's skincare, like in the
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Men's Skincare Aisles, has become what it's become is because
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: they've found that it sells more if they do it
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: that way. Now, you could put the same product in
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: pink packaging and it would do the same exact thing.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: It's just that probably men would feel like, oh, I
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: don't want to put this on my counter, And hopefully
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: we get to a day where you know, men don't
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: feel it they can't put a pink product on the counter.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: But right now, I think we're still in that place,
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: right and we have to kind of take it where
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: it's at. So, in general, what you'll find in like
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: the men's skincare aisles is like products that are like
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: in black or gray color tones. You'll find that a
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: lot of products are like more foaming, especially cleansers, because
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: consumer perception says that men prefer like a foaming cleanser.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: You'll also find mint in products like that men Thal
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: feel men tend to prefer that, and so even though
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: it's not a good ingredient for the skin, you'll find
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: it in a lot of men's skincare products just because
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: they actually like and enjoy that experience a little bit
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: better than a tradation cleanser or moisturizer.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: Well, thank you, doctor Shah, Thank you for taking the
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: time to chat.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: However you present yourself to the world, you most likely
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: care about your skin, and that's a good thing. I
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: think we're past the point of calling people vain or
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: shallow for caring how they look and wanting to feel
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: their best, because when it comes to our skin, we
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: want to keep it healthy and keep up appearances. But
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: also sometimes skin conditions can be painful. We talked a
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: lot about acne today and whether it's acne or claxoriasis
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: or any kind of inflammation, help is out there and
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: there's no need to be embarrassed that you care, and
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: that is the first step in healing. That's it for
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: our show today, but I want to give the final
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: word to our stereotype busting early skincare adopter ismael capsis.
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: In my opinion, people must use products for skin care.
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: It is necessary, It is good for your skin, it
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: is good for your health, and the better you look psychologically,
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: the better you're going to feel. But using products for
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: skin I've been using those for the last forty almost
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: fifty years and thanks to them, you know, I feel better.
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: My advice would be go to specialists, get the information,
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: go to reliable sources about skincare.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: That's my advice, and great advice it is.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Our guests today were doctor Medeeb Shaw and Elsa Cavazos
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: with her father is Mael Kavazos.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: A massive thanks to all.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Skin Cares is hosted by myself Nicole Berry and executive
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: produced by Yvonne Sheehan.
• 21:32
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• 21:34
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• 21:38
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