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Lane Kiffin’s Role in Recruiting Former NFL Players to CFB Revealed, NFL Pro Bowl is Cancelled, 5 Major Concerns · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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  Speaker 1: The Volume. What is going on, my people? How are
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  Speaker 1: do a big mailbag tomorrow, head us into the weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Next week, probably have just a couple shows going to
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  Speaker 1: be gone on vacation. I actually was watching this Wyndham
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  Speaker 1: Clark Omaha put this on where they kind of dressed
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  Speaker 1: him up as a non. You couldn't tell it was him.
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  Speaker 1: You've seen it. Eli Manning's done this and went to
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  Speaker 1: a Penn State practice, I think. And it was put
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  Speaker 1: on by this company called Shipsticks. And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: you know what? I'm going to Santa Barbara next week.
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  Speaker 1: So I use Shipsticks to send my golf clubs. I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to play a little golf, relax a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: As we really buckle up and gear up for the
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  Speaker 1: football season. Which unofficially starts this week. Week zero. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Week zero. Can we just start the college football season
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  Speaker 1: all together? The NFL season all together? Shouldn't be this complicated.
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  Speaker 1: But week zero starting two weeks before the NFL season.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to complain because I like football. So
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  Speaker 1: I'll probably watch the games. I just wish we'd get
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  Speaker 1: a little more cohesion. You know like we once had.
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  Speaker 1: The world I once knew. But I did want to
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  Speaker 1: start into Lane Kiffin. And I have been defending him.
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  Speaker 1: And I use the analogy to Colin. It's like the
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  Speaker 1: tax code. You know, you can blame companies for using
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  Speaker 1: the tax code. The government sets that. Not the companies.
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  Speaker 1: They have no pull on what they can and can't
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  Speaker 1: write off. Their accountants just follow the rule book. It's
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  Speaker 1: like they're pushing the envelope. No, that's legal. And I
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  Speaker 1: thought Lane Kiffin, you know, this is a tax loophole.
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  Speaker 1: These guys filed this lawsuit, which felt a little weird,
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  Speaker 1: but then you read it. It's like, well, the 2022 class,
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  Speaker 1: you know, didn't get a fifth year. They didn't know
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  Speaker 1: about it till after the fact. And as Kirby Smart said,
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  Speaker 1: like things have always been changing in college football and
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  Speaker 1: people in certain, you know, high school classes that played
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  Speaker 1: college football indirectly got screwed. Because when I was at
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  Speaker 1: Fresno State, I think you got to play four games.
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  Speaker 1: And then if you went past that, your red shirt was...
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  Speaker 1: It still counted. So if you played two or three
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  Speaker 1: games as a true freshman, it didn't count as a
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  Speaker 1: real year. You could still red shirt. And Kirby was like,
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  Speaker 1: that didn't even exist when I played in the 90s.
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  Speaker 1: And then because of all the guys opting out of
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  Speaker 1: bowl games... They started making postseason play not have any
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  Speaker 1: impact because sometimes half your team would leave to go
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  Speaker 1: to the draft. You would need guys that had redshirted
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  Speaker 1: to play in that game. It was a pretty cool
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  Speaker 1: moment for the coach. You get a free rep. You
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  Speaker 1: get multiple weeks of practice. That's why I was very
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  Speaker 1: critical of the Notre Dame situation. You got three or
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  Speaker 1: four weeks to practice. Even if all your NFL guys
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  Speaker 1: opt out of the bowl game, who cares? Utilize your
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  Speaker 1: redshirt freshmen. They're going to play for you this year.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't understand it. I still don't agree with it
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  Speaker 1: because I just don't think Nick Saban, Kirby Smart, you know, Ryan,
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  Speaker 1: I just can't imagine them doing that. I mean, even,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Florida State, the year they went undefeated, they
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  Speaker 1: could have easily tapped out when they got They didn't
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  Speaker 1: get screwed because they had no quarterback, but I understand
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  Speaker 1: if you were in that building, you felt you got screwed.
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  Speaker 1: But I was like, you know, Lane's just... These are
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  Speaker 1: the rules. He's taking advantage of them. And then a
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  Speaker 1: story broke today where he wasn't taking advantage of the rules.
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  Speaker 1: He was trying to create them. Because CBS Sports reported
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  Speaker 1: that Kiffin and the Tigers reach out to multiple players
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  Speaker 1: on NFL rosters or their reps... in an effort to
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  Speaker 1: get them to bring a lawsuit against the NCAA and
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  Speaker 1: return to school. This lawsuit was created by the idea
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  Speaker 1: of Lane Kiffin. Now I got two big picture thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: You know, society needs disruptors, right? Disruptors, just think about
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  Speaker 1: the world we're living in, in this tech world, right?
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  Speaker 1: From Bezos to Elon to, you know, however many years ago,
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  Speaker 1: Steve Jobs, Zuckerberg. These guys disrupted, changed the game. And
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  Speaker 1: in their world, if they were the equivalent of football coaches,
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  Speaker 1: they would all be champions, right? And Lane Kiffin is
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  Speaker 1: clearly a disruptor and slash a troll. But like this
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  Speaker 1: was a disruptor type move. Seeing a loophole with these
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  Speaker 1: guys with the 2022 class not getting the fifth year,
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  Speaker 1: having been in the business knowing every time you sue,
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  Speaker 1: the player wins, and then forcing them to lead the charge.
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  Speaker 1: So this was not an idea that came out of
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  Speaker 1: thin air. This was Lane Kiffin creating it. And then today,
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  Speaker 1: the SEC, who has, like all these conferences, been very,
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  Speaker 1: very strict moving forward of what they will not allow.
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  Speaker 1: And anyone signing a contract in the pros, whether that
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  Speaker 1: be a G League team, obviously playing training camp, baseball,
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  Speaker 1: you are not going to be allowed to come back.
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  Speaker 1: And the SEC even put out some rules of like,
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  Speaker 1: if you break these rules, We'll suspend you for half
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  Speaker 1: the season. We will fine your team 50% of the
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  Speaker 1: revenue that that individual sport makes. So in football, you know,
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  Speaker 1: LSU probably a couple years ago, I read they made
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  Speaker 1: like 50 million. Let's just say they're making 60 plus million.
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  Speaker 1: You would get a $ 30 million fine. So now the
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  Speaker 1: argument is, well, what if we just do it and
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  Speaker 1: then sue you for doing it? Are you going to
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  Speaker 1: sue your own conference? And it gets to the point
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  Speaker 1: where sports needs villains. right? Sports need some crazy. Look
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  Speaker 1: at the WNBA, right? Clearly, I mean, I'm not a
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  Speaker 1: huge women's basketball watcher, but like if it's on TV
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  Speaker 1: and Caitlin's playing peak of the game, it's much better.
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  Speaker 1: I grew up in Sacramento, Sacramento Monarchs. I remember UC
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  Speaker 1: Davis sent their team managers over to practice them. This
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  Speaker 1: was when I was like junior high or high school.
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  Speaker 1: It's like late 90s, early 2000s. And I remember my
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  Speaker 1: dad knew one of the guys on the basketball staff
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  Speaker 1: and he's like, fuck, they'd They couldn't score on them,
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  Speaker 1: meaning the team managers dominated the game. I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: league was a joke. And for 25-plus years, it didn't
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  Speaker 1: make a penny. It was in the red, just like
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  Speaker 1: a lot of college sports. But it was subsidized. Like
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  Speaker 1: in college, you're subsidized by the football program or the
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  Speaker 1: basketball program. In the WNBA, you were subsidized by Kobe, Shaq, Steph, LeBron.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they paid your bills. And now they don't
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  Speaker 1: because the league is much more popular. But they got
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  Speaker 1: a lot going on. And I've seen all this discussion
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  Speaker 1: of like, we just need to talk about basketball. Well,
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  Speaker 1: even though the basketball is better, I'll promise you this.
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  Speaker 1: I saw a number today. The Fever Sky game, I
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  Speaker 1: think it's Chicago versus Indiana. Did over 3 million people watching.
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  Speaker 1: If it wasn't for all this controversy, I'll promise you this.
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  Speaker 1: You can take a large percentage off that audience. That
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  Speaker 1: audience is benefiting you. That's not even a debatable conversation
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  Speaker 1: to bring up. It's just a fucking fact. And no
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  Speaker 1: different with sports. You need heroes and you need villains.
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  Speaker 1: Not every movie can end with the team winning the championship.
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  Speaker 1: or the hero getting the girl. Sometimes you need them
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  Speaker 1: to die. Sometimes you need the team to lose. I
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  Speaker 1: said this when Cignetti at the Big Ten media days
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  Speaker 1: kind of talked a little you-know-what about the SEC. It's like,
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  Speaker 1: I miss that. I miss the days of Steve Spurrier
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  Speaker 1: calling Florida State Free Shoes University. I miss Jerry Tarkanian
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  Speaker 1: saying that Lute Olsen stole a recruit because he used
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  Speaker 1: a van and we just gave a car. I miss
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  Speaker 1: some of the big personalities. You don't really get it.
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  Speaker 1: It feels like everyone's kind of kumbaya, everyone's friends, which
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  Speaker 1: a little bit like the athletes. It's like there's so
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  Speaker 1: much money on the line. These college coaches are making $ 10, $ 11,
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  Speaker 1: $ 12 million. They never want to upset the apple cart.
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  Speaker 1: And some of the big personalities and the true venom
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  Speaker 1: that you felt when I was a kid, we're definitely
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  Speaker 1: never going back to that. But it's completely gone. And
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  Speaker 1: that is one element of Lane that I do appreciate.
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  Speaker 1: If you just like, as this season goes and as
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  Speaker 1: this season moves forward, he's going to be the number
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  Speaker 1: one villain. And he's been that before. And in a
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  Speaker 1: sport that, let's face it, lacks him. I like Kyle
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  Speaker 1: Whittingham a lot. I think Michigan could be dramatically better.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they went from Sharon Moore, who was banging
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  Speaker 1: his assistant on his desk, to a guy that took
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  Speaker 1: Utah to multiple Rose Bowls. Utah, Rose Bowl, say that
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  Speaker 1: one out loud. But like when they asked Kyle about
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  Speaker 1: hating Ohio State, which in fairness, he just got to Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, read the room, man. He couldn't even say it.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just like I sometimes you get in these
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  Speaker 1: positions where it's like everyone's just too rich. You know,
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  Speaker 1: what was the old line with comedians? Like, it's hard
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  Speaker 1: to be funny and sat in sheets. Like, it's hard
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  Speaker 1: to have the same edge. Now, the games, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: saying they don't work as hard, but there are not
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  Speaker 1: enough Lane Kiffins that are just pissing people off. Like,
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  Speaker 1: even think about Kirby Smart and Sark. Think about the
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  Speaker 1: other guys in the SEC. Kalen DeBoer. Yeah, just a
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  Speaker 1: nice guy from the Dakotas, you know? I mean, just
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  Speaker 1: started a true freshman. Seems like a good guy. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: seems the opposite of Nick. Like even Nick, kicking everyone's ass,
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  Speaker 1: kind of had an edge to him. Just on any
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  Speaker 1: given day could just go on a rant and be like,
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  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Like those days feel kind of over. And Lane, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: kind of a scumbag, kind of into himself. DGAF, going
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  Speaker 1: to worry about himself. I mean, I was listening to this.
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  Speaker 1: Bill Simmons had Bob Chesney on. And listen, it's not
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  Speaker 1: comparable coaching at JMU or Liberty or some of these
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  Speaker 1: small schools that are going to eke into the playoffs
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  Speaker 1: as coaching at Ole Miss. But he was adamant when
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  Speaker 1: I interviewed for these power forward jobs, and he clearly
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  Speaker 1: was going to get one, if not this cycle, over
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  Speaker 1: the next couple cycles, and have his opportunity to take
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  Speaker 1: multiple jobs. He said, I will not take the job
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  Speaker 1: if you don't allow me to coach in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: And part of the reason Lane was so polarizing was like, bro,
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  Speaker 1: you finally made it. Like, you are in the playoffs,
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  Speaker 1: and you're just going to leave your team for a
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  Speaker 1: program that you hoped can get to the point where
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  Speaker 1: you're at. That was the craziness of the conversation. Because
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  Speaker 1: I think we all agree, if you could just pick
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  Speaker 1: a job between the two, you would coach at LSU,
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  Speaker 1: if you were a football coach, over Ole Miss. This
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  Speaker 1: is not the NFL. where at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: if you give me the right quarterback, I mean, Cowboys
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  Speaker 1: haven't made the NFC Championship in 30 years. The Chiefs
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  Speaker 1: won three Super Bowls since like 2020. So it's like
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  Speaker 1: the market size, everyone's making money. In college, it does matter,
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  Speaker 1: even with NIL. Honestly, now more than ever, it's why
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  Speaker 1: the Big Ten is kind of separated, because they have
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  Speaker 1: these huge alumni bases, they have these massive business schools,
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  Speaker 1: and they just have more backing when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: the money and the... the deep waters of the cash
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  Speaker 1: in which they're dealing with unlike the SEC and I'm
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  Speaker 1: a pro SEC guy I've been saying forever it ain't
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  Speaker 1: even that close last couple years it's kind of changed
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  Speaker 1: and the moment that uh Greg Byrne the Alabama AD
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  Speaker 1: tweeted out like for donations for NIL I said they're
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  Speaker 1: fucked they are they got no shot I mean none
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  Speaker 1: if you're begging on Twitter for the uh Is it GoFundMe?
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  Speaker 1: What are we talking about? I mean, it costs $ 2,
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  Speaker 1: $ 3 million. That's Texas' great advantage in the SEC. Unlimited budget.
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  Speaker 1: Texas A & M. Much bigger budget than all the
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  Speaker 1: schools east of them. And just because their donor base
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  Speaker 1: has more money. It's just a black and white game.
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  Speaker 1: And clearly Lane thought that they had bigger backing, obviously
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  Speaker 1: had more access to recruits in terms of Louisiana. But
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  Speaker 1: I don't mind him pissing everyone off. But when you
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  Speaker 1: do that, you got to win, you know? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes disruptors shoot to the top. Chip Kelly did. And
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  Speaker 1: then he became a laughingstock really quick. And he was
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  Speaker 1: escorted out of multiple buildings. And it's not viewed very
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  Speaker 1: highly anymore in coaching circles, especially after last year. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: anytime you mail it in. Now, Lane by no means
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  Speaker 1: is mailing it in. He's doing the opposite. He's looking
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  Speaker 1: for every edge. But in a weird way, it's like
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  Speaker 1: for being this guy pushing the envelope, There is like
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  Speaker 1: a Fugazi scam artist side to him. It's like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you wouldn't compare him to the greats in business, but
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  Speaker 1: you wouldn't say he's Elizabeth Holmes. You wouldn't say he's,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Bernie Madoff. But there is a vibe where
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  Speaker 1: he's just like, I don't know, something's a little off.
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  Speaker 1: And then you read the story today that like he
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  Speaker 1: led the charge. He was the one doing it. And
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  Speaker 1: Todd Munkin said the other day, he's like, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't understand why Lane was calling me in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of training camp. Looking back, I probably should have called
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  Speaker 1: him back. Well, yeah, because he was trying to steal
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  Speaker 1: your fucking players. And the NFL came out hard about
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  Speaker 1: like this kind of rule if these guys, wherever they go,
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  Speaker 1: They're free agents, right? So if you draft a guy
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  Speaker 1: and then you waive them and they go back to
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  Speaker 1: school like you don't still own his rights, like that
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  Speaker 1: guy's a free agent. So we'll see how that plays out. Again,
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  Speaker 1: you know, today's a good example. And maybe I already
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  Speaker 1: mentioned this. Again, baby brain. We need the kid to sleep.
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk about it on Dad Diaries in a couple weeks,
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  Speaker 1: what we had to do to bring in some help.
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  Speaker 1: It's like bringing in a new offensive coordinator. But the–
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  Speaker 1: Fifteen schools voted. There's 16 schools in the SEC. One abstained,
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  Speaker 1: and that was LSU. And when you get into business
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  Speaker 1: with Lane, like, things get weird. Like, is Alabama and
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  Speaker 1: DeBoer going to work? Who knows? His resume would say
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  Speaker 1: he wins everywhere. Last year he went on the road
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  Speaker 1: and won a playoff game. Now people remember him getting
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: his ass kicked by Indiana. Well, basically everyone did except
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State and Miami. Literally. I guess Oregon, the first time,
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  Speaker 1: played him pretty admirably. But it wasn't Eugene. I just
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  Speaker 1: think this guy... I don't mind villains. I don't want
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  Speaker 1: everything to be about these crazy stories. But they do
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  Speaker 1: benefit the business of this entertainment. There is a balance.
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  Speaker 1: And I do think in the NFL... You know, it
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: was why it was so refreshing when Ben Johnson got
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  Speaker 1: the job. And just out of... Not out of left
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: field because he was talking about how much respect he
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: had for Kevin O'Connell and how much respect and how
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: much he admired what Dan Campbell did for him. He's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I also like beating Matt LaFleur twice a year. It's like, whoa!
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  Speaker 1: Because no one talks like that. Everyone's just so buddy-buddy.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, I love this guy. I love this guy.
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  Speaker 1: This guy's my guy. Admire this guy. This guy's cool.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, I kind of miss the days when it's like, no,
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  Speaker 1: I fucking hate this guy. I remember when I was
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: in junior high and high school and the Sacramento Kings
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  Speaker 1: were good. And the Lakers had Kobe and Shaq. He's like,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to take them down in the playoffs and
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  Speaker 1: win the NBA championship. And Phil would just come and
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  Speaker 1: talk so much crap, not just about the Kings, about
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  Speaker 1: the people. Basically just call everyone in the area losers.
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  Speaker 1: You would never get that anymore. Ever. Ever. their agent,
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  Speaker 1: their PR person. You just wouldn't talk like that. And
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  Speaker 1: there was just kind of a rawness that we've lost
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  Speaker 1: that just doesn't exist anymore. And Lane adds that a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. But then when the cameras are on, he
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  Speaker 1: kind of plays the nice guy. Like, listen, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: sleeping with co-eds anymore. I don't booze. I just do yoga.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I just love my family. It's like, okay, Lane.
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  Speaker 1: Those of us in the know know a lot of
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  Speaker 1: red flags, which I don't mind. Like, we all got them.
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  Speaker 1: We all got some skeletons. Some like Lane more than others.
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  Speaker 1: But this is a story, man. He is going to
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  Speaker 1: be Bulletin board material, probably as much as any coach
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  Speaker 1: in college or pro, just given the way he operates.
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  Speaker 1: In LSU, like I live in Arizona, the LSU Tigers
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  Speaker 1: are a bigger football operation than the Arizona Cardinals. They
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  Speaker 1: matter more. They're more talked about. Now, there are a
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  Speaker 1: lot of college programs that are bigger than the Cardinals.
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  Speaker 1: But my point is on LSU, there's a small percentage
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  Speaker 1: of programs. I would put Ohio State. I would put Texas.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely LSU. Michigan, when they're right, are just bigger than
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  Speaker 1: some NFL teams. And Lane is the face of that operation.
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  Speaker 1: Alabama was the last 10-plus years of Saban. They might
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  Speaker 1: as well have been like, you know, the 33rd NFL franchise.
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  Speaker 1: The other thing I saw today was that the NFL is,
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  Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl no longer is going to exist, which...
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  Speaker 1: It just had run its course years ago. And I
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: think the moment you start paying guards $ 15, $ 20 million,
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  Speaker 1: it's like you have way too many guys on this
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  Speaker 1: field making way too much money where there is no
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  Speaker 1: outcome that this can matter. And I do think financially
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: things have ramifications of like the impact of these guys
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: getting rich. The NFL has made more millionaires. I mean,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: unless there's some public company, but I would imagine it's
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: made more millionaires. than any business in American history. And
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: because every year you get a new influx of millionaires.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: So obviously players, coaches, obviously the owners, Jed doesn't really
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: act like it, but you get to a point in this,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: you know, the NBA all-star game is really bad. It's like, yeah,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: some of these guys make 60, $ 70 million. You want
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: them to care about this? There was an element. And
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I think sometimes I remember talking to a buddy, like,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: I remember being if you could ever meet when I
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: was growing up someone that had played professional sports it's
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: like that guy that guy played in the NBA for
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: five years or that guy was drafted by the Jets
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: I remember Kenny Eason was from like Yuba City kind
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: of where I was from and we met him my
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: dad who was a UC Davis guy was like this
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: guy's a big deal, man. This guy's a big deal.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: And you'd meet a guy like that, and you'd realize
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: all those guys, the majority of them, their careers, and
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: most people in all the pro sports in the 90s,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: unless you were a star, probably had to get another
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: career when they were done playing. And even the stars
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: at any moment could be replaced because the contracts weren't
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: that big. You could just move on from a guy.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: So unless you were like Magic Johnson or Barry Bonds
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: or Michael Jordan, like everyone was kind of fighting for
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: their lives. And that kind of built the base to
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: what became post-internet of where we're at now. And the
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: league is so massive, especially in the NFL, where the
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: majority of guys don't even last three or four years.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: So it's like your career is over playing football at 26,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: 27 years old. And if you were just a fringe guy,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: you didn't even make that much money. So it's not
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: like you never have to work again. You've got to
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: get a job. And I think at this point in time,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: when you just have random guys on your team making
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: $ 4 or $ 5 million, I mean, we just saw a
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: center get paid $ 27 million a year. So when you
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: want to play football, which is a violent, crazy game,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: where you have to be in a lot of positions
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: a little off your rocker, To play any of the
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: offensive line positions, to play any of the defensive line positions,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: to play running back, to play linebacker, to play safety,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: like there are just going to be violent collisions. A
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: lot of them. You can get away with it at
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: wide receiver a little bit, like run out of bounds,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: get down. A lot of positions you could not. They're
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: tight end. They're going to be violent collisions the majority
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: of the game. And you have to get yourself in
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: the right mindset. It's why there's like a, you know,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: like there's a theater element in, When you shoot a
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: team walking out or a pregame locker room, especially at
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: the highest levels, like in college they do it a lot,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: like Dan Lanning addressing the team, Nick Saban addressing the team.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: You don't see it as much in the NFL, but
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: the vibe of a guy pregame is like he's trying
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: to get his mind right. He's going into a battle
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: where he's not going to die, but he has to
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: be willing to put his body in spots that are very–
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, just not safe. And you can't play football half-assed.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: And this game died a long time ago. And let's
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: face it, things change. You know, I used to go
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: into Tower Records to buy a CD. Now when I
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: want to listen to a song, I press two buttons.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: And I don't have to listen to the album to
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: wait to get to the song. I can just buy
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: the song. I can just listen to the song. I
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: don't even have to buy the song. You know, if
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: you want to watch, you want to stream something tonight...
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Back in the day, we had to go, I didn't
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: have a Blockbuster close to me, I had to go
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: to Video City and hope the movie I wanted to
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: rent wasn't already rented or they had multiple options, right?
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: They had like 10 copies. And even some of the
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: popular movies, if they had 10 copies, if it was
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: all rented, I couldn't rent the movie. There's no, you
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: can't rent the movie. There's literally not a movie you
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: can't find to play on your television. And I just
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: think as things change, you've got to change. Your mindset
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: has to change. And the NFL kind of took them
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: a long time. It felt like they held on to
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: this a little too long. And they finally just let
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: go of the rope. It's kind of what I was
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: thinking about J.J. McCarthy. There was a story yesterday that
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: he's splitting reps with the second team. And I think
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: the hardest thing to do sometimes in sports is just
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: admit when you're wrong. and just move on. It comes
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: with the territory. It comes as part of the job description,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: but this is not like, Hey, this building's losing money.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Let's put it on the market. Or I just saw
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Maria was telling me there's a house for sale on our,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: you know, like around the corner. It's like, you just
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: put a house up for sale. You're like, yeah, we're
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: got to move for a job. Maybe the person got
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: a divorce. Maybe the person just wants to downsize or upsize. Like,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: It's easy to be unemotional about so many things. If
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: my computer breaks, I need a new computer. I don't
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: think twice. As long as I can save everything, I'm
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: not emotionally tied to the computer, even though I literally
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: use it every day, talk into it for a living.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: But the actual computer, I don't give a shit about. Yet,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: even if the guy's not a good player, if you
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: like the guy, or at one point in time believed
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: in the guy, and that's the crazy part about football
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: is like, This gets back to the Brian Dayball thing.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: He loved Cam Ward. The Giants reportedly were going to
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: trade a haul for him a couple years ago. I mean,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: an uncomfortable amount of draft capital. I think they don't
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: regret doing that because you would rather have Jackson Dart
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: right now than Cam Ward. We'll have to see both
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: of them play this year, but I think if you
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: pulled the 32 GMs, Jackson Dart would get picked 32 times,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: including in Tennessee. But all this stuff's conditional. And if
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: you do not play well, the best coaches and the
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: best organizations can pivot the fastest once they realize this
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: is not going to work. And you need a little
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: time to have a definitive thought of this is not
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: going to work. But I do believe you kind of know.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Think about your relationships in which you've broken up with someone,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: been broken up with, anyone listening that's been divorced. usually
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: you come to grips with it well before it becomes official.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: And I mean, unless you're just completely blindsided and she's
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: like banging the neighbor, but for the most part, that's
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: not how it goes down. And there starts being like
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: a drip, drip, drip effect where you're like, yeah, something's
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: a little off. Yeah. Something's not going well. Yeah. I
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: don't think we, this is going to work out, but
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: like it's, it's human nature. Like, let's just hold on
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: a little bit longer. Hell, we do it in the
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: stock market sometimes. Like, I think this thing's going to
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: come back. Sometimes it does. Right? Sometimes it never does.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: So I think I'm fascinated by all this stuff. The
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: NFL is probably quicker to change than anyone else, whether
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: it comes to cutting and trading players, whether it comes to, like,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: this is not working out, we move. I mean, today
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: they just announced the 49ers– Minority owners, the official owner
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: of the Seattle Seahawks, which a lot of people kind
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: of speculate that he bought it for his son, which
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: might go down as the greatest gift in the history
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: of America. It's like, what did your dad get you?
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: It's like a pair of shoes. What'd he get you?
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: You know, he, he bought me a, he helped me
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: on a down payment for a home. He bought me
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: a car, you know, damn, that's a great gift. What'd
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: your dad buy you? Uh, the Seattle Seahawks. Uh, yeah,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: we got John Snyder. We got Mike McDonald. We got
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Sam Darnold on our contract and all these sweet defensive players.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. JSN is pretty good too. That's what my
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: dad gave me. It's like, Oh my God, what a
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: fucking gift. I mean, that's, I, uh, You'd have to–
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I just don't think it'd be possible to come up
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: with a better gift than that. I truly don't. And
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: by everything I've read and talked to some people, like
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: this guy had worked for the 49ers, the kid, and
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: just loves football. Like just loves football. So, like I
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: don't know, his dad is an incredible American success story.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Came over from India, didn't have a pot to piss in,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: didn't have any money. Went to Stanford and it's like, well,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: what job did he get? Well, he just went into
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: business for himself because he's got balls the size of
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: watermelons and then just created billions of dollars by creating
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: a company and then investing his money and just nailing shit.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: And then when it was all said and done, he
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: bought his son the defending Super Bowl champions for $ 9. 5 billion. So, yeah,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of the great gifts my dad
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: got me growing up. I don't think many compare. I don't.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Golf clubs, a bike. Bought me my first suit, I remember,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: when I graduated college. I actually still have it. I
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: still have it. Well-made suit. A little big. I was
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: a little fatter then. I wanted to play a little game.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: I'm concerned. I was driving around today. I'm like, I
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: need some content. I'm like, let's play a little game. Because,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: you know, I just randomly think about different stories with
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: football and just like, I don't love that. I don't
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: see that. So let's just play a little game. And
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: this is going to be called I'm Concerned. We'll start
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: with Jaden Daniels. And not necessarily him. Like I don't
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: think just because he was injured last year, he's now
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: going to be bad. But I read today that they
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: joint practiced the Ravens and got destroyed up front. Now,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: they had multiple, obviously Tunzel's gone. They had other offensive
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: line injuries. But is there a chance? Listen, I was
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: pro Sonny Stiles. I think he has a chance based
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: on college to be a star in the NFL. I've
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: seen some clips flying around. A little bit of a
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: struggle so far for the young man. But he has
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: no impact on Jaden. I just do wonder if, like,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: is this commander season not going to go well? There's
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: just that kind of thing floating over his head about
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: which he self-inflicted wound here about the number. People are
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: making fun of him. Their team's not that good. They
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: can't block anybody. I mean, they do play in a
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: division with the Eagles with like a bunch of good
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: guys up front. The Cowboys defensive line is dramatically better.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: And say one thing about the Giants defense, they got
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: past rushers for days so i you read headlines like
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: that and i just i just wonder and i listen
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: now adam peters came on the show i like adam
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: peters a lot uh this season could get weird this
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: season could get weird fast I'm playing in my first
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: fantasy football league this year. We got a draft Sunday,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: volume crew, bunch of producers, bunch of dudes that work
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: on different shows. I'm kind of excited. But I was like,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: you know, can I take a quarterback first? They're like, no,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: you got to take a running back. I hate those rules. Like,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to do me. I'm going to take
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: whoever the hell I want to take when I pick.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: But I was listening to, I saw Bill Simmons put
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: out a big fantasy pod. So I'm like, oh, okay, listen,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: get a couple of nuggies. And they brought up O'Marion Hampton. And,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: you know, he's a guy they drafted in the first
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: round last year from North Carolina back a couple years ago,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: the year before Belichick got there, back when North Carolina
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: actually had prospects. And by all mean, everyone I talked
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: to was like, ah, I like this guy a lot.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Big physical back, looks the part. And listen, I'm rooting
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: for Harbaugh, rooting for Herbert. Every time I watched him
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: last year, he looked slow. He just looks slow. And
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I get he will run guys over and break some tackles.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: And then I was watching him the first preseason game
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: against the Niners, or maybe it was the second preseason game,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: whenever they played the Niners in the preseason game. And
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: just one touch, it was like, God, he just doesn't
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: look like an explosive running back. And I'm concerned. You
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: take a guy in the first round at a position
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: where Some of these first-round backs. Now, he wasn't drafted
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: as high as, you know, the Bijans, McCaffrey, Saquons. Like,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: those guys are top-ten picks. This guy, I think, was
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: pick 22. Even Jameer Gibbs was pick 12. But, like,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: if I'm going to take a first-round running back, kind
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: of need the guy to be good. I mean, sometimes
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: you take a first-round running back, it's like Najee Harris. Like, yeah,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: he's fine. But I'm looking for, you know, Marshawn in
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: the first round, who was a first-round pick. Now, it
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: didn't work out in Buffalo, but once he got... You
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: could tell at Buffalo right away, like he is talented.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: I just don't know if I see the talent. Now,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to totally freak out yet. It's early.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: But every time I've watched him, the number one thing
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: that stands out to me is like, this feels kind
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: of slow. Not relative to me or you, like he
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: beat us in a race, but just relative to other
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: NFL players. It's like I need a little more horsepower.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: So one thing about the Tesla, man, you hit that
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: gas pedal, If you would have given me that thing
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: when I was like 16 or 17 years old, I
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: would have driven it off a bridge. We mentioned J.J. McCarthy.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: You could just say this in general. I haven't been
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: beating this drum for a while. I'm out on Minnesota.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not acting like they're going to be the Browns
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: or the Arizona Cardinals or the Miami Dolphins. But their
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: quarterback situation is a guy who was benched last year
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: for Jacoby Brissett. who even when he beat out J.J. McCarthy,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: and I'm not, if you're not at practice, you can't
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: make these gigantic takeaway headline statements of like, that's a
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: great play. Like you don't really know what's going on.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: But you just watch, could be hit or miss of
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: all the practice videos I've seen. Carson Wentz is going
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: to be the backup. J.J. 's either going to be
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: the third stringer or maybe they trade him. Florio Rope,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: could they potentially cut him? I doubt that. But you're
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: going to compete in a division with those guys against
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Jared Goff, Jordan Love, and Caleb Williams. And that's why,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: like most people, I think I'm going to pick and
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: finish fourth. Jed York. We had our, not even fun,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: but it's, and I stand by what I say. said
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: the other day. That's the most embarrassing thing I can
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: ever remember. We have had worse incidents. We have had
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: disgusting criminal incidents associated with the NFL. We have had
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: crazy shit happen where Javon Belcher, back with the Chiefs,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: I don't even want to rehash it, but you can
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Google it. From Ray Rice, we have seen everything under
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: the sun. We've had coaches show up naked to a
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: drive-thru drunk. I mean, there's nothing. The 49ers coach was
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: once caught when he was dating a stripper doing a
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: line of blow in his office. I mean, there's not
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: many scenarios that you can bring up, and the NFL
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: doesn't have it covered, either with a coach, a player,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: or an owner. Obviously Kraft. I do think... Most people,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: I don't care. To me, prostitution, if she's above age
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: and it's consensual, I don't care. I really don't. It
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: doesn't bother me at all. I spend zero time thinking
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: about it. If you go to a strip club and
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: you want to pay and she'll have sex with you,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: is that a crime? If you don't, I do not care.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think that guy needs to be arrested. I
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: don't think she needs to be arrested. This isn't about,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: and Ethan Strauss wrote about this, the actual act of prostitution.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: This was more the reflection of this guy that owns
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: and comes from this super uber wealthy family, has become
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: the controlling owner, and lived in Silicon Valley, and is
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: just a guy that should be a heavy hitter. A
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: lot of heavy hitters have prostitutes. They're called high-end escorts
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: at the Four Seasons or the Ritz. not in a
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: trailer park for $ 140, $ 160. Still a little confused. Some
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: said that it was $ 160 for the prostitution. Others said
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: it was $ 140 and he was going to give the
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: $ 20 tip. Not exactly sure on the rate. So that
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: is up for debate. But the video, the body cam footage,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: which basically has Jed saying like two things. I don't
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: know where I'm going. They don't even really interview him.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: They just basically open the door, handcuff him, put him
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: in the car, He doesn't incriminate himself at all in
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: terms of something that's going to live with him forever. Now,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: it will live with him forever, just the video of
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: him just getting ripped out of the car in a
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Yankees t-shirt. But he files for divorce in May, and
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: then several months later is caught in a trailer park
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: trying to get laid. And listen, not everyone has the
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: ability to have quote-unquote game be able to feel comfortable
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: with women, be able to pick up women. Not everyone's
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Rico Suave. Not everyone walks into the room like they're
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Brad Pitt. So whether you're rich or poor, you're just
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: not comfortable picking up random women. Now, you would think
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: there would be some sort of avenue to just meet
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: someone in his social circles, but it was just an
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: extremely sad visual of just, this guy is in a
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: bad place. Whatever happened in divorce, he filed it. So,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, you could have some theories on why would
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: you file for divorce against your wife of 15 years?
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Was she doing something wrong? Does that put you down
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: or spiral down a place? Kyle mentioned that he doesn't
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: even live in the Bay Area anymore. He moved to Ohio.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: But if you're going to attempt to do that on
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: a Sunday morning, I'm sorry, I'm really concerned. This guy
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: just needs some help. you know, shit. He might just
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: need a friend, but this, it's just, it's bad. And
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: you know, the owner's meetings was the day Al Guido
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: has been on this podcast today was representing the 49ers.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Who's was over the course of the last year, maybe
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: even less was named the team CEO president. Like he's
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: in charge. Uh, but now Jed doesn't even live in
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: the Bay area. So maybe it's just part of it.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: He's living in Ohio. I don't know. No good looking
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: women there or something. I, I, I, It's really hard
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: to wrap your head around. It really is. Even if
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: you wanted the prostitute, you would think there would be
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: something that would trigger your brain when you're him. Part
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: of it's high class, low class, like you're going to
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: get a gutter rat. for $ 140, what do you think
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: that buys you? Especially in these inflationary times. That once
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: you saw, if you didn't know where you were going
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: and started turning in, you're like, this is probably not
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: a good idea and leave. And that happens to a
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: lot of us in a lot of different things. Doesn't
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: even have to be involved with, you know, looking for
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: a hooker. But like, should I do this? And then
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: kind of your intuition, your upbringing, just basic things like
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: what your parents taught you, like this isn't right. Whatever
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: that could be. It could be something trivial. It could
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: be something pretty normal and basic. It doesn't necessarily have
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: to be a criminal act. Like, yeah, I shouldn't do this.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: You know, that to me is the crazy part for him.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: At no point it shows you as just a human
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: empathetic side of like, this guy needs help. This guy
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: needs someone to talk to. This guy needs someone to
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: just fucking give him a hug. I mean, Jesus Christ.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Isn't there the rich person dating app like Raya? Just
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: put this. A picture of yourself smiling and on the bottom,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: owner of the San Francisco 49ers. I'll promise you this.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: You'll have some good looking women swipe your way. It
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: will not be hard to get laid. I just... can't
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: get over the fact that in his brain it didn't
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: trigger like, this is bad. And now he got arrested.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: And that's the other thing when I hear the Kraft.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: There's no mugshot of Kraft in an orange jumpsuit. Hell,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Tony Romo's not in an orange jumpsuit. None of these
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: guys are in an orange jumpsuit that have gotten in trouble.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Last but not least, this isn't necessarily football, but some
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: of you have probably seen on your social media feeds
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: that This good, good golf controversy. Even if you're not
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: into golf, you have probably seen people in your world,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: maybe people you work with, or maybe just people on
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: the internet, wear those hats that say good, good. Dak
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: wears it a lot. They're a Texas-based YouTube golf company.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Bunch of young guys. They just play internet golf. And
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: they do really, really well. They're a massive, big company.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Make millions of dollars. And now they are, any store
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: you go to, golf-related, PGA Super Stores, Golf Galaxy, their
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: polos are in there. You can't go to a pro shop,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: public or country club, without seeing their shit. Like, they
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: are a major staple in the game. And pretty incredible story.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: They've done videos with pro athletes like Dak. Maybe it
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: was Ferguson Dak. I'm not a huge consumer of their content.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: I did watch that video. And Dak's not great at golf,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: but it was pretty entertaining. They're just fun, good personalities, right?
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: And they produced this commercial because all these big people
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: in the space, they get a lot of their money
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: from partnering with golf brands. And Callaway and Good Good
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: are partners, right? Barstool, for example, is partnered with TaylorMade.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Another big golf podcast that I listen to is partnered
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: with Titleist. And those companies pay these influencers a lot
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: of money. And it's been proven, beside like the Scottie
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Shefflers and Tiger Woods, they push a lot of product
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: for them. Which actually is pretty cool that within the last,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: I would say, five years, the money for that has
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: shifted to these influencers. And they have a lot of juice.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: And they sign massive contracts with It's almost like why
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: NBA players sell LeBrons and Steffs and Kyrie sell a
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: lot of shoes. That's the equivalent here. And they produced
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: this video because they were going to have a good,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: good driver. Callaway was going to have a driver that
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: was going to be the good, good driver, which I
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: would imagine would have done well. It would have sold.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: It would have made them... And for those of you
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: who don't know anything about golf, drivers are not cheap.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: If you just go into a random golf store, a
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: new driver can be well above $ 500, up to like $ 700, $ 800.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: It is an expensive club. And they shot this video...
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Where they were trying to reenact obsession. I saw that
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: movie when I was with. Maybe like two months ago.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: I did Coward Show. Had some time to kill. I
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: stayed by this mall. Saw it. It was pretty good.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: I didn't know what to expect. I saw a lot
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: of people. Either on podcasts or social media. Talking about it.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I got an afternoon to kill. Middle of summer. Nothing
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: to do. I was like yeah. I saw it. I
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: enjoyed it. It was not even what I expected. I
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: didn't know anything about it. But they tried to reenact
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: it how once you grab the driver, it makes you
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: obsessed with the driver. And this dude like ran into
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: a chick. Technically like tackled her. And then the video
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: went viral because everyone's like they are. obviously in poor taste,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: but domestic violence, and they are just getting destroyed. So
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: they have to yank down the video, issue an apology.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: The PGA Tour commissioner, the NFL guy, comes out and says,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: we do not condone this because in like two months,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: they were sponsoring a PGA Tour event. And Callaway's trying
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: to back off. These companies are now pulling their merchandise
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: out of the stores. So these stores have... You just
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: go to a random store. I mean, hundreds of polos
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: and hats. They're just yanking them off the shelf because
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: they're not even going to sell them. And I was
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: thinking about this. A lot of the best viral stuff
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: is just when you do good stuff and it goes viral.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: I think when you try to force a viral video
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: in which what they were trying to force. Now, personally,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: I don't care. Of course, I've watched enough of their stuff.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: This guy's not trying to beat up a chick in
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: real life. They had a skit. It was stupid, and
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: the internet ran with it, and now it feels like
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: they're getting canceled. But when I first watched the video
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: after I heard about the controversy, I didn't think, like, oh,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: they are pro-domestic violence. But I did think at one
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: point in time when you're shooting this video, like, this
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: is kind of stupid. And then the marketing team, I guess,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: was responsible for it because they thought they would go viral.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Piggybacking off the movie obsession. Instead of, I don't know,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: just try to do a good video. Hell, just hit
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: the driver and say how much you like it. Not
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: everything needs to be an attempt to go viral. And
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: I think that's where we're at. You see it a
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: lot on social media. A lot of people, and everyone
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: gets really caught up in... in like newspaper, like the
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: equivalent of like New York Times or CBS News, like
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: their headlines. I hope everyone realizes in the world we
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: live in, their headlines to be as provocative and as emotion,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: attention grabbing as possible. And I'm just using them as examples.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: You could use a hundred. Like it's all tabloid now
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: in terms of the headline on a tweet or a
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: social media post. That's what gets engagement, right? But when
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: you are the actual personality, just show your personality to
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: shoot the commercial. You don't need to try to outthink
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: the room. And I think we live in this world
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: where sometimes people just see an algorithm and think this
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: will help us go viral. Where it's like, this is dumb.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: No one even quite understands what's going on. Let alone
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: you're going to have our biggest star truck this chick.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Like this probably won't go well. Now, when they were
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: shooting it, they probably didn't think like this could end
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: our relationship with Callaway, the PGA Tour and Crater or
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Apparel business. They probably didn't have that conversation or they
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: would have not done the video. But it gets back
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: to these people that just if you just live on
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: the Internet, there's this balance of and listen, I could
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: be better at this. I, we just talked about this
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: in the meeting. I need to get better about doing
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: lists and about doing power rank and just whatever my
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: version of it is, but I don't. And I'm a
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: good example of like, you can be successful without doing it.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: And sometimes the most organic stuff just goes viral. I,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: what was the clip I saw? Uh, It was when
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson was named the quarterback, starting quarterback the other day,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: the old Stephen A. Smith clip of if Deshaun Watson
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: was walking down the street and just got arrested for
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: being Deshaun Watson the quarterback, I wouldn't be mad. He's
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: that bad at quarterback. He's that awful. Sometimes just be you.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: It's pretty funny. I just think sometimes we overthink this.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: And these guys find themselves in what probably feels like
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: a tsunami that's never going to end, which anyone that
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: saw that video today in Nepal is like, Jesus Christ.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: I didn't even– you know what's funny? You have a kid,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: and maybe you get a little more sentimental. Maybe you're
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: just like, especially when he's this age, you're kind of
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: in this protection. Like I can't even– I clicked it.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: I start seeing the water come over all the people.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: I had to turn it off. I used to be
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: numb to that stuff. Numb. I mean, I could watch
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: people get shot. I mean, shit, we all have with
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: the internet. But I see any violent fights and stuff.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: I'm at the point right now. I'll morph back as
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: it gets a little older. I mean, I'm a sucker
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: for that content. But the current state I'm in, it
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: doesn't do it for me. But man, that... Again, I
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: don't even know. Was that right by the... The ocean?
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Was that a river? Was that a dam that broke?
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not even quite sure what happened. Because I couldn't
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: even watch. I'm like, I'm out. I cannot do this.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to watch these people get engulfed by water, drown, slam, die.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: You probably couldn't even see any of that. But I
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: just refused to click it. Yeah, that'll be it for
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: the day. So we'll be back tomorrow. I'll probably do
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: a big mailbag tomorrow. And lead us into the weekend. Adios.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: The Volume.