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Full Show Podcast: 12 October 2026 · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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  Speaker 1: The issues, the interviews and the insight. Andrew Dickens on
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  Speaker 1: Early Edition with Spark for Business. Technology that keeps business moving.
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  Speaker 1: Newstalk ZB.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning to you and welcome to your working week.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Dickens in for Ryan Bridge who's preparing for
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  Speaker 2: a leaders debate on Wednesday. On the program today, ACT
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  Speaker 2: wants to raise the super age and they want to
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  Speaker 2: cut disability. So we're going to talk to a super
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  Speaker 2: expert about what to do. The UK lets prisoners out
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  Speaker 2: and they promptly re-offend Gavin Gray out of the UK
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  Speaker 2: and we'll have the first of our Monday election mini-debates.
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  Speaker 2: And today we focus on social development and employment with
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  Speaker 2: spokespeople from National and Labour. We'll have correspondence from right
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  Speaker 2: around New Zealand and news as it breaks and you
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  Speaker 2: can have your say on the text. Small charge applies, 92-92.
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  Speaker 3: The Agenda.
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  Speaker 2: It's seven after five. It's Monday, the 12th of October.
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  Speaker 2: Yemen's Houthis are warning airlines and passengers to avoid Saudi
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  Speaker 2: airports and airspace. Now, this follows a deadly attack on
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  Speaker 2: Riyadh Airport that killed 12 people and injured more than 300.
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  Speaker 4: This is another dangerous moment in this region, the deadliest
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  Speaker 4: attack in Saudi Arabia in more than a decade. And
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  Speaker 4: I think lots of questions will be asked about how
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  Speaker 4: an attack of this magnitude targeting a key civilian infrastructure happened.
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  Speaker 4: This wasn't the first time that this airport in Riyadh,
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  Speaker 4: in the capital, was attacked. targeted by the Houthis. The
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  Speaker 4: Houthis have threatened to continue to carry out these attacks.
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  Speaker 2: And Trump's condemned the strike.
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  Speaker 5: They're able to defend.
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  Speaker 2: Look, the Saudis are good fighters, but I think the
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  Speaker 2: attack was a terrible thing. Meanwhile, staying with Mr. Trump,
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  Speaker 2: he says Russia and Ukraine have agreed to an immediate
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  Speaker 2: energy ceasefire. He's been posting on X and he warned Zelensky,
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  Speaker 2: don't break it. But UK Defense Secretary Wes Streeting reckons
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  Speaker 2: the timing is just all too convenient.
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  Speaker 6: To be candid about this. Midterms are coming up. Cost
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  Speaker 6: of living is an issue. And no doubt President Trump
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  Speaker 6: is feeling the same pressure that lots of leaders are
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  Speaker 6: facing in terms of wanting to ease cost of living pressures,
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  Speaker 6: energy prices.
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  Speaker 5: Are you directly linking the two?
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  Speaker 7: Are you saying that the deal is being done because
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  Speaker 7: of the midterm elections?
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  Speaker 8: The war can be extended to.
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  Speaker 5: Grab a few votes.
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  Speaker 6: I think it's just a political reality.
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  Speaker 9: Isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Zelensky's responded. He says, well, I'm waiting for the details.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. But he does support it. And
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  Speaker 2: staying with the States, Pete Hegseth is facing a bit
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  Speaker 2: of a backlash over plans to live stream the execution
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  Speaker 2: of the Fort Hood shooter Nidal Hassan. So Hassan killed
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  Speaker 2: 13 people in 2009. He's about to face the firing squad.
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  Speaker 2: And Hegseth wants to have that broadcast. The president says
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  Speaker 2: the decision's up to Hegseth. There are two thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: Don't show it and show it.
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  Speaker 2: I'll make a decision ultimately.
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  Speaker 3: I know what the military would like.
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  Speaker 2: To do, but we'll make a decision. Meanwhile, J.D. Vance,
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  Speaker 2: the vice president, says I'm not watching.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever the controversy is about the method of the execution,
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  Speaker 3: I hope that people don't forget that this is a
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  Speaker 3: guy who brutally murdered a lot of innocent people. Now,
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  Speaker 3: that said, I mean, look, if it's ultimately live streamed,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to be watching it.
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  Speaker 2: All right. It is 10 after five.
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  Speaker 1: The first word on the news of the day. Early
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  Speaker 1: edition with Andrew Dickens and Spark for Business. Technology that
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  Speaker 1: keeps business moving. Newstalk ZB.
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  Speaker 2: So here's the thing about the Eden Park trains. This
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  Speaker 2: is not the first time the trains have been used,
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  Speaker 2: but every now and then more people than usual use them.
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  Speaker 2: Do I need to remind you of the 2011 Rugby
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  Speaker 2: World Cup fiasco when 50,000 people were expected to use
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  Speaker 2: the train, 200,000 didn't and they swamped the city? It
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  Speaker 2: was so bad that Len Brown and John Key, the
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister of the time, apologised. And the problem was
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  Speaker 2: the whole system had been overhyped and everyone chose trains. Well,
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  Speaker 2: this weekend, after the opening of the CRL, Aucklanders also
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  Speaker 2: surged the trains to the test and there were big delays.
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  Speaker 2: AT blamed a level crossing they don't control. Well, if
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  Speaker 2: they don't control it, who does? I went to the game,
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  Speaker 2: I went on a train, getting there, seamless and easy,
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  Speaker 2: but it was full. And being full is going to
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  Speaker 2: be a thing for a big game or concert. Parents
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  Speaker 2: need to know that when they're taking their little kids.
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  Speaker 2: And coming home, I already know because I've used the
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  Speaker 2: trains before, don't get funnelled into the tunnel under the tracks,
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  Speaker 2: it's a trap. So I went over the overbridge, got
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  Speaker 2: to the front end of the platform, the train was
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  Speaker 2: full behind me but half empty in the first carriage
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  Speaker 2: where I was. The whole problem is Kingsland Station. It's woeful.
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  Speaker 2: Barely any signage. It's badly designed. Eden Park has been
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  Speaker 2: calling for improvements for years. The platforms need to be
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  Speaker 2: extended to take nine carriage trains. They can't at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: There needs to be better access to the platforms. The
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  Speaker 2: debate over the mega-billion-dollar waterfront stadium has raged for 20
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  Speaker 2: years now, and it's failed. For better or worse, Eden
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  Speaker 2: Park is it. So it's up to AT to confront
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  Speaker 2: reality and fix Kingsland. And guess what? It's now in
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  Speaker 2: the hands of the councillors. And so I want answers.
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  Speaker 1: Can I also.
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  Speaker 2: Inform you, by the way, that the wait for an
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  Speaker 2: Uber was 45 minutes as well. So everybody was waiting
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  Speaker 2: for transport at that Eden Park game. So ACT's come
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  Speaker 2: out with some social policy, and it's up there, I
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  Speaker 2: have to say. They want to raise the super age. Well,
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  Speaker 2: that's the age-old debate. But they also want to cut
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  Speaker 2: disability benefits by $ 653 million. The way they're going to
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  Speaker 2: do that is they're going to monitor it more and
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  Speaker 2: cut out the guys who shouldn't be getting it. But
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  Speaker 2: that's going to cost money, too. They never talk about
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  Speaker 2: that cost. But can this plan work? We're going to
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  Speaker 2: talk to a superannuation and superfund expert next. It's 12
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  Speaker 2: after 5.
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  Speaker 2: All right, so it is now 14 minutes after five.
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  Speaker 2: So Axe set out its plan to raise the super age.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to raise it slowly by three months every year.
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  Speaker 2: And they want to get it up to 67 by 2035.
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  Speaker 2: It also wants to cut disability benefits by $ 653 million.
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  Speaker 2: They want to actually monitor those benefits a lot more
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  Speaker 2: and cut out the guys who shouldn't be getting it.
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  Speaker 2: They want to pause contributions to the New Zealand Superfund.
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  Speaker 2: The changes would also put contributions to the New Zealand
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  Speaker 2: Superfund on hold. That would include compassionate access. This is
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  Speaker 2: for the guys... and girls, obviously, who have spent a
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  Speaker 2: substantial portion of their career in physically demanding jobs.
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  Speaker 10: I make no apologies for being the only one who
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  Speaker 10: gets up every year and says, guys, we have a
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  Speaker 10: big problem and we need the courage to take it on,
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  Speaker 10: not agree that we might do something in the future,
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  Speaker 10: a future that never quite seems to come.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Jonathan Erickson is a superannuation and super fund
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  Speaker 2: expert and joins me now. Good morning to you, Jonathan.
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  Speaker 7: Good morning.
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  Speaker 2: Good idea?
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 9: The good part of putting the age up to 67
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  Speaker 9: is a good idea, especially by three months each year,
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  Speaker 9: because previously when it was at age 60, we put
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  Speaker 9: it up to 65 at the beginning of the century.
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  Speaker 9: And that was too quick for people to adjust to.
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  Speaker 9: But the best idea, Andrew, you didn't actually put on,
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  Speaker 9: which is that they're going to take the tax off
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  Speaker 9: the superannuation investments. Now, that's something that was raised last week.
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  Speaker 9: But it is absolutely crucial because it means that we
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  Speaker 9: can get an annuity program going back so that insurers
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  Speaker 9: can pay regular monthly income to retired people and thus
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  Speaker 9: keep their cash flow stable.
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  Speaker 2: And it would mirror what they've proposed for the KiwiSaver
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  Speaker 2: as well. Yes, correct. And the benefit about that is
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  Speaker 2: the compounding nature of it all.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, the whole point is that the compound interest at
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  Speaker 9: the moment, a large chunk of that goes to the IID,
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  Speaker 9: whereas this way people's retirement savings go up. The other
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  Speaker 9: thing I liked about the policy is the fact that
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  Speaker 9: they're going to keep the age of KiwiSaver at 65
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  Speaker 9: when they put it up to 67. I'd suggest they
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  Speaker 9: actually bring it down to 60 because a lot of
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  Speaker 9: Pacific Islanders and Maoris need to retire early, not to
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  Speaker 9: mention ambulance officers and chippies. because their bodies pack up.
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  Speaker 9: And so if you freed up the money from age 60,
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  Speaker 9: that would enable the economy to get a boost as well.
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  Speaker 2: So you're saying from the KiwiSaver. So the KiwiSaver to 60. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: just the KiwiSaver. And the ANZ Super to 67. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: the money that we're actually making there from the compound
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  Speaker 2: and going back into the Super and then, of course, invested,
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  Speaker 2: and then we end up with a bigger fund.
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  Speaker 9: Correct.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Now, you mentioned the fact that some people's
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  Speaker 2: bodies are completely wrecked and they need to retire earlier.
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  Speaker 2: So they've talked about the compassionate access exemptions. Will they work?
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  Speaker 11: Yes, they will.
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  Speaker 9: It's actually quite draconian at the moment. It depends on
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  Speaker 9: the IRD and the financial position for a lot of people.
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  Speaker 9: They can't get their KiwiSaver out when they need it
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  Speaker 9: simply because there's a gatekeeper there, which is the supervisor
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  Speaker 9: of the KiwiSaver scheme. Whereas this way, if we open
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  Speaker 9: that up, then again, it gives people more flexibility and
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  Speaker 9: is more compassionate.
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  Speaker 2: And the argument about cross-party support. Is it time for
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  Speaker 2: everyone to stop fighting their corner and actually coming together?
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  Speaker 9: It's long past that, Andrew. Long past that. I mean,
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  Speaker 9: Sir Rob Muldoon stuffed it up in 1975 by stopping
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  Speaker 9: the Labour scheme and putting the age of New Zealand
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  Speaker 9: super down to 60. The country has never recovered from that. So, yes,
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  Speaker 9: it's long past that time.
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  Speaker 2: I know it's not your field, but do you have
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  Speaker 2: an opinion about the cut to the disability benefits?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, no, I'm opposed to any cuts at the moment.
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  Speaker 9: The economy is really tight. I'm also opposed to putting
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  Speaker 9: the KiwiSaver contribution rates up for the same reason. People
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  Speaker 9: are hurting... and we don't need any more burdens on
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  Speaker 9: employees or employers. What we need is to boost the economy,
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  Speaker 9: and these changes will help do that.
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  Speaker 2: Jonathan, I thank you so much. Wasn't Jonathan good? Absolutely clear. Fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: Jonathan Erickson, he's a superannuation and superfund expert. We're crossing
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  Speaker 2: to Vicky Price in a few moments' time out of Europe. Big,
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  Speaker 2: big old argument in Europe right now. They've got their budget,
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  Speaker 2: their EU seven-year budget, and it's come out, and they
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  Speaker 2: wanted to spend $ 2 trillion And Ireland's had a problem
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  Speaker 2: with it. They've said, no, actually, that's way too much money,
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  Speaker 2: too much taxation. Let's cut it to 1.6 billion. It's
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  Speaker 2: now in a bit of an impasse. So where's that
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  Speaker 2: impasse at? Vicky Price next.
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  Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens on Early Edition with Spark for Business. Technology
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  Speaker 1: that keeps business moving. Newstalk ZB.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it's coming up 5.22 to Europe. We go, well,
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  Speaker 2: we're actually, we're just waiting for Vicky Price to pick
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  Speaker 2: up the phone. We're going there in just a few
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  Speaker 2: moments time. We're going to talk about the EU seven
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  Speaker 2: year budget problem escalating. No agreement in sight at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: Two trillion dollar, two trillion euro plan. But Ireland says
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  Speaker 2: that's too much. They want to scale it back to
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  Speaker 2: 1.6 billion. Trillion, I should say. Trillion. T. Trillion. Vicky
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  Speaker 2: Price is joining us now. Vicky, hello.
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  Speaker 5: Hi.
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  Speaker 12: Good morning.
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  Speaker 2: The EU budget bust up. What's up?
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  Speaker 13: Yes, it's a real worry, actually, because, of course, there
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  Speaker 13: is a little bit of time to negotiate the new
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  Speaker 13: seven-year budget that's coming up. And it's quite important. I mean,
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  Speaker 13: it's We're talking about something like 1.8 trillion. So it's
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  Speaker 13: not huge by comparison to the GDP of the EU,
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  Speaker 13: but it's quite important because it's the one area where
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  Speaker 13: there is money which is being spent across the EU
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  Speaker 13: and in ways in which people have all agreed this
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  Speaker 13: should be spent rather than individual governments making the decisions
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  Speaker 13: and being under some sort of supervision by governments. by
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  Speaker 13: the authorities and the European Central Bank. So there is
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  Speaker 13: a lot of that that goes on. But in addition,
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  Speaker 13: this budget is one which is supposed to be helping
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  Speaker 13: various regions, helping some working together on research and development,
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  Speaker 13: on defence and things like that. But they don't all
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  Speaker 13: agree on how big that should be because, of course,
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  Speaker 13: each country contributes to it. So although it's supposed to
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  Speaker 13: be run from the centre and then allocated across countries,
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  Speaker 13: everyone contributes to it. And there is a redistribution from
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  Speaker 13: the rich countries to the poorer ones. And there is
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  Speaker 13: always a fight as to how much of that they
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  Speaker 13: want to see happen. And of course, the countries that
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  Speaker 13: tend to receive more than pay want more of that,
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  Speaker 13: particularly in areas like agriculture. And others who are the
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  Speaker 13: sort of frugal countries, we want to call them that,
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  Speaker 13: like the Netherlands, for example, don't really want to do
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  Speaker 13: that and let others sort of use their own taxpayers'
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  Speaker 13: money for areas that they don't perhaps consider to be
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  Speaker 13: so significant. So compromises are coming, or at least suggestions.
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  Speaker 13: The Irish have put a compromise through with a small reduction,
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  Speaker 13: but actually keeping it more or less intact. That's been
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  Speaker 13: rejected by lots of other countries. And the final thing
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  Speaker 13: about this is that It's not really meant to be
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  Speaker 13: finalized until next year, but because there are going to
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  Speaker 13: be quite a lot of elections in Europe and possibly
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  Speaker 13: some more right-wing governments may be coming in. And this is,
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  Speaker 13: of course, the presidential election in France is one that
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  Speaker 13: comes to mind. Everyone is trying to get it all
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  Speaker 13: organized and agreed by the end of the year. But
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  Speaker 13: the way things are going... And before the elections, in
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  Speaker 13: other words, which might torpedo it, when things are going,
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  Speaker 13: we may not get an agreement.
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  Speaker 2: No, well, everyone's in a cost of living crisis. Nobody's
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  Speaker 2: got any money. There's no such thing as free money.
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  Speaker 2: And if they're making big contributions, I'd like to cut it.
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  Speaker 2: And I found it interesting that you said that's a
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  Speaker 2: small reduction by Ireland. It's still 400 billion, which is
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  Speaker 2: quite a lot in a two trillion budget. But there
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  Speaker 2: we go. Now, let's get to oil here, because everyone's
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  Speaker 2: concerned about oil and is concerned in the EU because
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump, eased some sanctions on Russian diesel exports. So
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  Speaker 2: there's 11 happening there. How's Europe feeling?
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  Speaker 13: Well, I mean, Europe, in theory, should be relieved that
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  Speaker 13: perhaps some of the pressure on diesel in particular may
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  Speaker 13: go because, of course, prices are rocket high right now
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  Speaker 13: and everyone is screaming and there are concerns that we
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  Speaker 13: might end up having rationing happening, particularly for sectors that
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  Speaker 13: rely on diesel. But I think what they're worrying about
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  Speaker 13: is two things. First of all, it's what the optics
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  Speaker 13: of it are indicating, which is Ukraine, which Europe supports,
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  Speaker 13: would be the loser in this in many ways politically.
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  Speaker 13: And the second thing is that actually the amounts that
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  Speaker 13: we're talking about that Russia can actually export in terms
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  Speaker 13: of sort of diesel products– are very small, so they're
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  Speaker 13: not going to make any difference. So basically, when it's
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  Speaker 13: going through all this political upheaval and concern about what
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  Speaker 13: it means, and even here in the UK, Andy Burnham
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  Speaker 13: has said how we are on the side of Ukraine,
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  Speaker 13: it could split the EU from the US thinking and
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  Speaker 13: not actually even achieve anything at all except... Russia looking
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  Speaker 13: politically more acceptable, if you like. And I think that's
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  Speaker 13: what they're worried about. It's more political than economic. But
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  Speaker 13: of course, they would love to see some reduction in
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  Speaker 13: fuel costs.
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  Speaker 2: Wouldn't we all, Vicky? Wouldn't we all? And I thank
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  Speaker 2: you so much. That is Vicky Price out of Europe,
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  Speaker 2: Newstalk ZB. Newstalk ZB. I'm Andrew Dickinson for Ryan, who's
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  Speaker 2: preparing for the leaders' debate Wednesday. It is 5.28. There's
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  Speaker 2: been a concerted campaign by Don Brash and Nick Mowbray
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  Speaker 2: to get national voters to split their vote, to engineer
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  Speaker 2: an overhang. a move John Key has said would be
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  Speaker 2: the opposite of clever. And so in the weekend Herald,
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  Speaker 2: Don Brash went to press again to say why it's
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  Speaker 2: a good idea. The upshot being that National strengthened the
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  Speaker 2: electorates could mean a loss of list seats, which affects
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  Speaker 2: several senior ministers, notably Nicola Willis. And in the piece
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  Speaker 2: on Saturday, he argued that National voters are smart enough
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  Speaker 2: to work out split voting for themselves, and they don't
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  Speaker 2: need John Key telling them how to vote. The irony
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  Speaker 2: is that Mr. Brash and Mr. Mowbray are also telling
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  Speaker 2: people how to vote. Mr. Brash believes it's the only
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  Speaker 2: way for National to save a centre-right coalition. But there
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  Speaker 2: is another way. Be more popular, National in particular. The
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  Speaker 2: other disconnect is that many on the right, in fact,
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  Speaker 2: many in New Zealand, already believe New Zealand has too
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  Speaker 2: many MPs. And here's Mr. Brash and Mr. Mowbray wanting
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  Speaker 2: even more. If there was an overhang, it could get
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  Speaker 2: as high as 124 MPs. And we're paying for these people.
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  Speaker 2: And the other irony is that many on the right
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  Speaker 2: can't stand it when Helen Clark bucks in with her tuppence,
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  Speaker 2: and yet here is a former leader of National and
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  Speaker 2: Act doing exactly the same at the age of 85.
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  Speaker 2: What source for the goose, Mr. Brash, is also source
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: for the gander, and I would prefer Mr. Brash to
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: zip it, sweetie. So social policy is making all the news,
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: drug testing for beneficiaries, raising the super age, cutting disability benefits,
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: winter energy payments, job seeker targets. So just before six,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: we're going to have our first little debate on that
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: sort of policy with Louise Upston and Willow Jean Prime.
• 17:48
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• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Good morning to you and welcome back to the program.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Dickens in for Ryan Bridge again who is
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: preparing for the leaders debate. It's on Wednesday 7 p.m.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: broadcast on nzherald.co.nz3 now and I believe here on ZB2.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: So there we go. He'll be back on Thursday. On
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: the Formula One, Liam Lawson coming seventh. Can I just
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: quickly say he beat George Russell. He beat Isaac Hedger.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: He absolutely thrashed Arvid Lindblad. The Kiwi is on a roll.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: It's 23 to 6.
• 18:36
  Speaker 14: ZB.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Callum Proctor from Dunedin. Good morning to you and hello
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Dunedin Hospital.
• 18:42
  Speaker 11: Yes, the first patients will be treated there this afternoon, Andrew,
• 18:45
  Speaker 11: at our new outpatients building. This is a five-storey, 15,000-square-metre building.
• 18:51
  Speaker 11: called Whare Matutu. It's the first completed clinical building in
• 18:55
  Speaker 11: the new hospital project here. And it brings specialist outpatient
• 18:59
  Speaker 11: diagnostic and day procedure services together under the one roof.
• 19:03
  Speaker 11: Health New Zealand Southern Group Director of Operations is Craig Ashton.
• 19:06
  Speaker 11: He says this is a major milestone for health care
• 19:09
  Speaker 11: in not just Dunedin, but for the South Island. And
• 19:11
  Speaker 11: there's a real buzz around that this facility can finally
• 19:14
  Speaker 11: now be brought to life. And he says it will
• 19:16
  Speaker 11: provide immediately an additional 300 day surgeries and 13,000 medical
• 19:22
  Speaker 11: imaging appointments a year.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Thank goodness. Now, how's your weather?
• 19:26
  Speaker 11: Yeah, good day again today. Fine, low cloud morning and night,
• 19:28
  Speaker 11: nor'easterlies for a time in 21 today.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: And I thank you for your time. Jamie Cunningham joins
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: us from Canterbury. Hello, Jamie.
• 19:34
  Speaker 7: Good morning.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: So we've got two men allegedly murdered at a social
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: housing complex, and one of them a former henchman president.
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so we've got some more details about this alleged
• 19:44
  Speaker 7: double homicide. A former motorcycle club president is understood to
• 19:49
  Speaker 7: be one of two men allegedly murdered at a Christchurch
• 19:52
  Speaker 7: social housing complex over the weekend. Two people were found
• 19:55
  Speaker 7: dead at the Oliver's Road property in Phillipstown early on Saturday,
• 20:00
  Speaker 7: while two others were seriously injured. Now, a 58-year-old man's
• 20:04
  Speaker 7: due in court today facing two charges of murder, one
• 20:07
  Speaker 7: charge of attempted murder, and wounding with intent. Now, Glenn
• 20:12
  Speaker 7: Lizard Tukaki, a former president of the Devil's Henchmen Motorcycle
• 20:16
  Speaker 7: Club's Christchurch chapter, is being remembered on social media for
• 20:20
  Speaker 7: his caring nature, while Nigel Robinson is understood to be
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: the other man who died. Police say a cordon remains
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: at the scene and they aren't seeking anybody else.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: All right, how's your weather?
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: Fine, but some morning low cloud or fog, light winds,
• 20:35
  Speaker 7: then north-easterlies developing this afternoon and 20 degrees.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Max Toll from Wellington. Good morning to you. Hello, Max.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Good morning. I'm so excited. Climate scientists are meeting in Wellington.
• 20:49
  Speaker 12: Yeah, hundreds of experts from around the world are meeting
• 20:52
  Speaker 12: in the capital today for the International Ocean in a
• 20:56
  Speaker 12: High CO2 World Conference, which is We'll address things like
• 21:00
  Speaker 12: ocean acidification, marine heat waves, something called coastal darkening, which
• 21:05
  Speaker 12: I'll have to Google. This is the sixth edition of
• 21:07
  Speaker 12: the event, organised by Victoria, workshops held at Takina, talking
• 21:11
  Speaker 12: about how rising carbon dioxide levels are basically threatening ocean life.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Well, and very good, and all of them are actually
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: paying hotel fees and, of course, restaurant charges, so that's
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: good for the economy. So there's the thing. How's Wellington's weather?
• 21:24
  Speaker 12: Exactly. Hopefully they go out for dinner. Cloudy and drizzly,
• 21:26
  Speaker 12: clearing later. Seventeen.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, a sustainable dinner. Now, Niva Retimana joins us from Auckland. Hello.
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: Good morning.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: So there's a flag debate about the bridge.
• 21:35
  Speaker 15: Yes, there is a debate about the bridge. So what
• 21:37
  Speaker 15: I can tell you is that a new group says
• 21:39
  Speaker 15: it's time New Zealand followed Australia and proudly displayed a
• 21:42
  Speaker 15: second flag on our most famous bridge, obviously Auckland's Harbour Bridge. Now,
• 21:47
  Speaker 15: the flagpole campaign today wants the Tino Ranga Tita Tanga
• 21:51
  Speaker 15: flag flown on the Harbour Bridge year-round. Not just on
• 21:55
  Speaker 15: Waitangi Day. So Australia started displaying the Aboriginal flag on
• 21:59
  Speaker 15: Sydney's Harbour Bridge permanently. This was from 2022. So here
• 22:04
  Speaker 15: we have Tiffany, this is St Stephen's School Principal Nathan Durie.
• 22:09
  Speaker 15: He's calling for this. He's comparing the debate to that
• 22:11
  Speaker 15: involving the Māori verse in our national anthem needing visibility
• 22:15
  Speaker 15: to become mainstream. He says now it's sung by all. So,
• 22:18
  Speaker 15: you know, he's saying and believing that raising the flag
• 22:21
  Speaker 15: would have the same impact.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Might upset some people who worry about separatism, obviously. I
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: think so. I met an American tourist the other day
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: who actually said, gee, your flag's boring, but I really
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: like that flag, as he pointed to the Tino Rangatira
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: tanga one, because it's a good-looking flag, but he didn't
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: know the symbolism. How's the weather?
• 22:36
  Speaker 15: Rain mainly south of Whangaparaoa easing this afternoon, 20 the
• 22:39
  Speaker 15: higher in Auckland.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: And I thank you. In fact, I gardened over the
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: course of the weekend. I got a glow on today.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: I got sunburned. It was 21 degrees. It was warm.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: And I was skiing two weeks ago. What a great country.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Now we're off to the UK with Gavin Gray in
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: a few moments' time. You know they've been letting out
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: all their prisoners. Well, guess what? All the prisoners got
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: onto the streets and then started re-offending again. It ain't working.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: That's next with Newstalk ZB. So we plan for the
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: good stuff, the house, the career and perhaps kids. But
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: are we planning to stay healthy and secure through it all?
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: So Leading Health and Life Insurer Partners Life hosted a
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: bit of a business roundtable on how New Zealand can
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: live well for longer and build a brighter, more secure future.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: The other day, we had Michael Weston and Kate Dron
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: and they sat down with Hannah McQueen from Age Brightly.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Cam Adams was there from EY New Zealand. Nick Hakes
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: from Financial Advice New Zealand. The Retirement Commissioner, David Boyle,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: was there. And Brooke Roberts from Sharesies. And they came
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: up with a key message. It is start early. As
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: our population ages, we need to think differently about quality
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: of life. We've got strong foundations. The opportunity has joined
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: up protection with more flexibility for Kiwis as life changes.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: the public and the private working together. And Partners Life
• 23:45
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• 23:51
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• 23:55
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• 24:02
  Speaker 1: International Correspondence with NZI Insurance. Peace of mind for New
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Zealand business.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: To the UK we go. Gavin Gray, good morning to you. Hi, Andrew.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: It's not working, this revolving door to UK prisoners. People
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: get out and then they start offending again.
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: Yes, they do. So the early evidence would suggest. So
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: the government is aiming to release two and a half
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: thousand prisoners early, having served just a third of their
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: sentence instead of a half. And that is because prisons
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: are running at 98.2% capacity. They need to clear the
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: cell space. However, so far, we've had 700 prisoners released. Now,
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: as a little microcosm, we're beginning to get the facts
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: and figures back. 50 of them were released from Greater Manchester.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: And Greater Manchester Police have confirmed that, yes, you guessed it,
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: eight of those 50 have already been arrested, days or,
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: in some cases, hours after leaving the prison under the
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: early release scheme. And the accusations, the allegations are not minor.
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: They are, instead, Andrew, breaches of criminal orders. domestic abuse
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: prevention order, and others were held on suspicion of robbery,
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: drug offenses, and domestic violence. Now, the government is saying, look,
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: we have to act. We're running out of prison space.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: Others are saying, well, hang on a minute. Can't you
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: build more prisons? You've been in power a couple of years.
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: What's going on? Either way, it is an almighty mess
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: and it's only going to get worse because, as I
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: said so far, only 700 prisoners released. They're looking at
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: two and a half thousand prisoners released by the end
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: of this year. And plenty of people are saying it's
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: not just this that is showing the government is in
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: a mess.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: All right. Tiger attacks man. Man dies. It's in Yorkshire.
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: Yes. So it is very unusual, of course, but this
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: is a well-known wildlife park. It's called Yorkshire Wildlife Park.
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: And just over a decade ago now, they opened up
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: land of the tigers area and it houses two Amir tigers.
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: And there are only 500 of this subspecies in the wild.
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: So they're very rare. But eyewitnesses describe about 25, 28
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: hours ago now, a man wearing headphones pacing around near
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: the enclosure where the tigers are and then jumping in
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: and laying down in front of the tiger whereupon he
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: was attacked. and died at the scene. A Park spokesperson
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: said thoughts and heartfelt sympathies are with the man's family.
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: The tiger has not been harmed and he will not
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: be euthanized.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: That is Darwinism for you and I. Thank you so much.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: 12 minutes to six. So we come to the first
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: of one of our little mini debates, which will happen
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: on Mondays, where we look at one issue and we
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: talk to spokespeople. Now, today we're looking at social policy
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: and we've got Louise Upston, the Social Development and Employment
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Minister with us. Good morning to you.
• 26:47
  Speaker 14: Good morning.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: And on the phone we've got Willow Jean Prime, who's
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Labour's Social Development and Employment spokesperson. Hello, Willow Jean.
• 26:55
  Speaker 14: Good morning.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: First question for you, Willow Jean. Should we drug test beneficiaries?
• 27:01
  Speaker 14: Well, this is National responding to their huge failures in
• 27:05
  Speaker 14: the social development and employment portfolio where they have failed
• 27:09
  Speaker 14: to meet their own job seeker target and what they
• 27:12
  Speaker 14: are doing is turning around and introducing things like this.
• 27:16
  Speaker 14: And Andrew, what they have said is that this could
• 27:19
  Speaker 14: lead to cuts to cancer patients, these policies that they've announced, sorry,
• 27:24
  Speaker 14: could lead to cuts to cancer patients who can't work
• 27:27
  Speaker 14: because they are recovering. And that's just outrageous.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: All right, so Louise, what do you say? How do
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: you defend your policy?
• 27:34
  Speaker 16: Yeah, so we have introduced the next range of welfare reform,
• 27:38
  Speaker 16: which is all about supporting people into work. So whether
• 27:41
  Speaker 16: it's additional case management, stronger expectations, and yes, random drug testing.
• 27:47
  Speaker 16: We've seen 84,000 people leave welfare into work in the
• 27:51
  Speaker 16: last year. So we're really confident that the measures that
• 27:54
  Speaker 16: we are making are working. But there's more measures. That's
• 27:59
  Speaker 16: why we've introduced the policy last week.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Well, is Willa Jean right, though, that someone with cancer
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: is going to get their benefit cut because of your
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: drug testing policy and the way you run things?
• 28:07
  Speaker 16: Well, if somebody is having treatment and they're having treatment
• 28:11
  Speaker 16: for three years, then they won't be on a job
• 28:13
  Speaker 16: seeker benefit because they won't be capable of looking for work.
• 28:19
  Speaker 16: But what we want to do is make sure that
• 28:21
  Speaker 16: people's expectations when they are job seekers and they are
• 28:24
  Speaker 16: ready for work and available for work are met. drug
• 28:28
  Speaker 16: taking should not be a barrier to them getting a job.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, as part of it as well, and you've mentioned
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: it already, changes are coming for job seekers in November
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: to exclude 18 and 19-year-olds who should then be supported
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: by their parents. Willow Jean, is that fair?
• 28:43
  Speaker 14: Well, Andrew, we have currently got one of the highest
• 28:48
  Speaker 14: youth unemployment rate. It's at a 30-year high under Nationals Watch.
• 28:52
  Speaker 14: They've also scrapped a whole lot of employment programs. We've
• 28:56
  Speaker 14: had hiring freezes. We've had thousands of job cuts. We've
• 29:00
  Speaker 14: had stalled construction. And so what we can see here
• 29:04
  Speaker 14: is an abysmal record from the National Party. And no
• 29:08
  Speaker 14: actual plan to create more jobs and job opportunities for
• 29:12
  Speaker 14: young people. Whereas Labour has a plan where we are
• 29:16
  Speaker 14: talking about expanding apprenticeship boosts, introducing the Māori trades training
• 29:21
  Speaker 14: and expanding that. And a start work package which is
• 29:24
  Speaker 14: going to create jobs. a whole lot of jobs building
• 29:26
  Speaker 14: the infrastructure that New Zealand so desperately needs.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: So, Louise, I mean, then again, if you've got so
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: many 18- to 19-year-olds who are unemployed, why should they
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: be paid for by the taxpayer? Isn't it our parents' responsibility?
• 29:39
  Speaker 16: Yeah, that's why. we want to see 18 and 19-year-olds
• 29:42
  Speaker 16: in education, training or work. We don't want them on welfare.
• 29:46
  Speaker 16: What we do know is under the six years of labour,
• 29:49
  Speaker 16: we saw an absolute explosion of the length of time
• 29:52
  Speaker 16: people were spending on benefit. And so if a young
• 29:55
  Speaker 16: person goes on to welfare under the age of 25...
• 29:59
  Speaker 16: on average, they will spend now another 18 years of welfare.
• 30:03
  Speaker 16: We don't think that's good enough. There's 220,000 jobs forecast
• 30:08
  Speaker 16: in the next four years. We want to make sure
• 30:11
  Speaker 16: it's Kiwis in line for those jobs. That's why we've
• 30:15
  Speaker 16: put more money into employment initiatives, particularly for young people,
• 30:19
  Speaker 16: and into case management, which we know is really effective.
• 30:23
  Speaker 16: We don't believe in race-based employment initiatives like Labour's announced.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: All right, over the weekend, ACT released its plan to
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: raise the retirement age by 2035 to 67, doing it
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: at three months at a time. Willow-Jean, is that a
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: good idea?
• 30:38
  Speaker 14: Labour is committed to keeping the superannuation retirement age at
• 30:42
  Speaker 14: 65 and we won't be means testing it.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: What do you think of it, Louise?
• 30:47
  Speaker 16: Well, we also won't means test it and we believe
• 30:50
  Speaker 16: that superannuation should be universal and I think it was
• 30:54
  Speaker 16: a good thing yesterday that both National and Labour finance
• 30:58
  Speaker 16: spokespeople talked about the fact that we should actually have
• 31:02
  Speaker 16: agreement between the two major parties on retirement for certainty.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Well, that is my next question, because ACT came out
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: and David Seymour came out and said we've got to
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: have cross-party support on retirement. Do you agree with that, Willow-Jean?
• 31:14
  Speaker 14: Well, Chris Hipkins has spoken to that and said that
• 31:16
  Speaker 14: we've long been open to having a constructive bipartisan conversation
• 31:22
  Speaker 14: to ensure that we have a better, secure plan for
• 31:27
  Speaker 14: New Zealanders' retirement incomes. It's hugely important that we're backing
• 31:31
  Speaker 14: our seniors to lead dignified and fulfilling lives.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Louise Upston, do you want cross-party support on a retirement plan,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: yes or no?
• 31:38
  Speaker 9: Yes, definitely.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: All right, very good. Willow-Jean, winter energy payments, should they continue,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: particularly when much of the money is going to wealthy superannuitants?
• 31:47
  Speaker 14: Oh, well, Andrew, I'm glad you have given us the
• 31:49
  Speaker 14: opportunity to talk about what happened under this government's botched
• 31:52
  Speaker 14: benefits and more than 16,000 superannuitants missing out on their
• 31:56
  Speaker 14: winter energy payments through no fault of their own.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: All right. What do you say to that, Louise?
• 32:04
  Speaker 16: Well, I think absolutely seniors and under-national, they will continue
• 32:08
  Speaker 16: to get winter energy payments. Listen, the point that Willow-Jean
• 32:11
  Speaker 16: just raised, yes, there was a problem. These problems do
• 32:14
  Speaker 16: occur from time to time. It's actually about how you
• 32:16
  Speaker 16: fix it. I was advised on Thursday evening, and within
• 32:21
  Speaker 16: 40 hours, every superannuitant who had mistakenly had winter energy
• 32:26
  Speaker 16: payment stopped, it was reinstated.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Louise, we're about the future, not the past, but I
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: do thank you for your time. That's our first mini-debate
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: on a Monday about social issues with Louise Upston, Social
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Development and Employment Minister, and Willow-Jean Prime. the Labour spokesperson
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: on the same topics.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Hear it first. Andrew Dickens on early edition with Spark
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: for Business, technology that keeps business moving. Newstalk ZB.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Mike, at dinnertime yesterday I screamed and the wife went,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: what's wrong? And I said, is there anything worse than
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: running out of gas on the last lap?
• 32:55
  Speaker 8: Every bathurst they go, this is the greatest bathurst. And
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: actually this year was true.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: It was. Fast.
• 33:04
  Speaker 8: What happened, yeah, it was fast and there was one
• 33:06
  Speaker 8: safety car and it came with five laps to go
• 33:08
  Speaker 8: and that's unheard of. And the funny thing about it,
• 33:12
  Speaker 8: for people who don't know what we're talking about, Deepa Squally,
• 33:15
  Speaker 8: he was leading, he was winning, he was about to win,
• 33:17
  Speaker 8: had never won before, and yet, despite the fact he'd
• 33:20
  Speaker 8: been around for a very long time, they knew. they
• 33:23
  Speaker 8: were going to run out of gas. And they needed
• 33:26
  Speaker 8: the safety car to go a little bit longer so
• 33:28
  Speaker 8: they could eke out the gas they did have. I mean,
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: it's cock up on their part.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Of course it is. Some guy in the pit is
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: just going, oh, just five litres more.
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: But imagine winning, you're winning with two laps to go,
• 33:39
  Speaker 8: and you know at some point before the finish line
• 33:42
  Speaker 8: you are going to run out of gas. It's the
• 33:44
  Speaker 8: most extraordinary thing, eh?
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: And he's heading up the hill and he just goes.
• 33:49
  Speaker 8: Do you know, I started watching and it would have
• 33:52
  Speaker 8: been about 7 o'clock in the morning their time, so
• 33:53
  Speaker 8: 9 o'clock in the morning our time. And a bit
• 33:56
  Speaker 8: on the top of that hill, overlooking the flatlands of
• 33:58
  Speaker 8: New South Wales with the mist in the morning on
• 34:00
  Speaker 8: a clear fine day. God, it was beautiful.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: I saw the fox of kangaroos bouncing all over the sign.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: It's amazing. It's a great race.
• 34:07
  Speaker 8: So there'll be a bit of that this morning. And
• 34:09
  Speaker 8: David Seymour's on and Christopher Luxon's on, almost as though
• 34:12
  Speaker 8: we've got an election campaign.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: And I thank you, thank you to producer Kenzie and
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: producer Sam. And I'm Andrew Dickens, back again tomorrow. Have
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  Speaker 2: yourself a wonderful day.