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Sarah Heringer in studio · Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: Six to fifty five KRC de talk station. By the time,
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Speaker 1: I's wishing everyone a very happy Friday. We've got some
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Speaker 1: great plans over the weekend. I think I'm gonna try
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Speaker 1: to make it up to you see tomorrow for homecoming.
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Speaker 1: And I am so pleased on the heels of having
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Speaker 1: brad winstropin city to look up and see. Sarah Herringer
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Speaker 1: has returned to the fifty five KRC studio to talk
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Speaker 1: about the latest on what happened in the aftermath of
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Speaker 1: her husband being murdered in front of her in there
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Speaker 1: over the Rhine Home and Sarah, it's such a pleasure
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Speaker 1: to have you here. I know the circumstances are challenging
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Speaker 1: and difficult, but you've been out there, You've been outspoken
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Speaker 1: about this. Your reality and circumstances resulted in a grand awakening.
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Speaker 1: I think for most everybody, me particularly, I'll note I
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Speaker 1: believe that an ankle monitor actually meant something. Mordisha Black,
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Speaker 1: the thirty eight year old man who was charged with
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Speaker 1: murdering your husband, was supposed to be on an ankle monitor.
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Speaker 1: It was cut off and had been off since February,
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Speaker 1: and this incident happened in it was June correct.
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Speaker 2: Correct.
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Speaker 1: So here he is roaming about and we're thinking, you know,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm alarm had to go off. He
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Speaker 1: cut his ankle monitor off. Nope, Nope, nobody was alerted. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so that I mean, if we got to find a
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Speaker 1: silver lining in an unbelievably horrifically dark cloud. The one
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Speaker 1: thing is that we now know that and that maybe
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Speaker 1: something's going to be done about it in the form
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Speaker 1: of this Patrick Herringer act that some some folks in
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Speaker 1: Columbus are now pushing. But before we get to that,
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Speaker 1: I just wanted to ask him, and I know my
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Speaker 1: listeners are concerned, how are you doing? How are you
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Speaker 1: holding up? How's life been since that?
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Speaker 3: Are?
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Speaker 1: You know? Are things improving for you? Because the devastation.
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Speaker 1: I don't think I can comprehend it. I don't want
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Speaker 1: to have to.
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Speaker 3: No, I I'm the answer that I've and it's true,
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Speaker 3: but I've I've learned to to give to people as
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Speaker 3: I'm building capacity. And one of the hardest things that
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Speaker 3: I've actually learned through all of this, outside of you know,
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Speaker 3: the negligence of the situation is that people are We're
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Speaker 3: all green, illiterate. We really don't know how to handle this.
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Speaker 3: Our society where people want to find they want to
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Speaker 3: see you progress and get better, and of course there's
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Speaker 3: concern of like how's your mental health? How are you
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Speaker 3: holding up? It comes from a place of sincere kindness
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Speaker 3: and wanting to make sure I'm okay. But it's something
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Speaker 3: like this is not something you get over. No, it's
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Speaker 3: not something that also needs to be fixed. It's something
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Speaker 3: that just needs to be witnessed and held. And I'm
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Speaker 3: actually very grateful that you provide a space for me
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Speaker 3: to share part of my story and what's happening in
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Speaker 3: order as part of that process to be able to
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Speaker 3: look at something this devastating and not try to turn
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Speaker 3: and hide from it.
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Speaker 1: Amen. And you know, the only the parallel I'm going
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Speaker 1: to try to draw here, and I'm trying to be
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Speaker 1: sensitive to the reality of what you just pointed out.
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Speaker 1: I'm not living what you're living through, so how can
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Speaker 1: I know? But I'm a man who at least cares
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Speaker 1: enough to make to want to know that you're okay.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's anything I can do, you know, And
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Speaker 1: so people really delicately approach this subject. But not gonna
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Speaker 1: lose my train of thought. But it's like when you're
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Speaker 1: dealing with someone you know is struggling with depression and
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Speaker 1: one of your reactions is or one of maybe someone
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Speaker 1: who's not familiar with what it's like to have depression
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Speaker 1: is once you snap out of it. Here, let's walk
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Speaker 1: through all the reasons life is great for you. You've got this,
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Speaker 1: you've got that, you've got a wonderful wife or husband,
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Speaker 1: you got your kid. How can you be depressed? Well,
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Speaker 1: that reflects and ignorance about depression grief comparable. I mean,
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Speaker 1: unless you've been there and done that. And everybody's different,
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Speaker 1: their life experiences are different up to that moment when
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Speaker 1: they lose someone, so they're working with a different playing
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Speaker 1: field than literally anybody else. But it's a struggle for
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Speaker 1: us out here who really care to approach the subject,
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Speaker 1: just to let you know we really are concerned.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and I do. I appreciate that.
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Speaker 3: I think you know, and I think that's the whole
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Speaker 3: point of anyone can do is just say I can't
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Speaker 3: fix this. I know my words aren't going to be enough,
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Speaker 3: but I'm I'll be here with you. And presence is
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Speaker 3: really all that anyone can ever offer someone in something
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Speaker 3: like this, and so I do. I appreciate it so
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Speaker 3: many people reach out and offer that and if we're
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Speaker 3: also going to put a spin on it to what
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Speaker 3: is positive, I'm hoping that more people can really understand
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Speaker 3: the process of grief and exactly that not trying to
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Speaker 3: find silver linings. You don't need to fix it. You
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Speaker 3: don't need to be the person that comes in and
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Speaker 3: makes it better. You just need to walk with the
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Speaker 3: person who you know who's experiencing it.
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Speaker 1: Your presence alone may be enough.
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Speaker 2: Exactly.
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Speaker 1: That's yeah, I have to post to try to become
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Speaker 1: a therapist. Yes, yeah, yeah, armchair therapy exactly. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: can certainly appreciate that. But are you Are you working
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Speaker 1: because you had the fitness clinic and over the rhine
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Speaker 1: that you ran with your late husband, and I know
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Speaker 1: you had some success to that. You were big pop
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Speaker 1: You were popular in the over the Right neighborhood in
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Speaker 1: spite of the fact that people thought it appropriate to
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Speaker 1: break into the place and commit property damage, which we
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Speaker 1: can dive into maybe a little bit later. But I
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Speaker 1: just want to see if if you're still engage in employment,
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Speaker 1: if and if that's helpful for you.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so right now, I haven't. I mean, it's been
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Speaker 3: about it's just been four months. Yeah, And for me,
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Speaker 3: I've taken this step out of this the capitalism and
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Speaker 3: the rush of society and the time, and it probably
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Speaker 3: feels like so much longer for everyone else. And while
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Speaker 3: it does feel really long, I'm like it's been four months.
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Speaker 2: And so.
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Speaker 3: The coaches that are at Friendly Movement, they're phenomenal. They've
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Speaker 3: stepped up, they're running the place and they're continuing to
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Speaker 3: do exactly what it needs to be, which is a
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Speaker 3: community place where people can go and they can have support.
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Speaker 3: And everyone there lost Patrick to as well. It's a
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Speaker 3: it is a shared communal devastation. It's to your point.
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Speaker 3: Patrick was a pillar in the OTR community. People knew him,
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Speaker 3: they knew of him, and he did He touched hundreds
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Speaker 3: of people's lives and was their coach. And so I
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Speaker 3: have taken a step back in order to build capacity
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Speaker 3: so I can re enter and to do what I
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Speaker 3: need to do to feel the grief and not rush
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Speaker 3: through it. But the gym is going strong. It's a
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Speaker 3: great place and the coaches are killing it there.
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Speaker 1: And you know you're in the over the Rhine area,
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Speaker 1: why not Finley Movement is the name of the place
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Speaker 1: in what street.
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Speaker 2: Is It's on Finley Street.
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Speaker 1: Oh makes sense on Finley Street. So go ahead, you
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Speaker 1: do some more exercising workout. We could all use more
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Speaker 1: of that and to make you feel better. It does,
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Speaker 1: and you can support Sarah and we'll hopefully she'll be
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Speaker 1: able to get back to work after she builds sufficient
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Speaker 1: capacity to do that. I got that. Yeah, I like
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Speaker 1: the way you characterize that.
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Speaker 3: Yes, it's building, and I do. It's you know, when
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Speaker 3: you mentioned where people are at, I know one of
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Speaker 3: the very few reasons as to I mean or there
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Speaker 3: are there are probably a few, but one of them
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Speaker 3: is what is your level of resiliency before something like
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Speaker 3: this happens? And that is really what Patrick and I
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Speaker 3: use the tool of fitness for, was not just making
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Speaker 3: your body look good at not aesthetics, but for health
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Speaker 3: and long term resiliency for because life is hard and
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Speaker 3: if your workout is a little bit harder than the
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Speaker 3: things that you deal with on a day to day life,
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Speaker 3: then you're you're going to be well equipped to handle
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Speaker 3: that kind of pain. And so to me, that's really
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Speaker 3: what fitness has been, and it's it's helped build the
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Speaker 3: what I need in order to continue to move forward.
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Speaker 1: Well that's great, a little incentive for others to might
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Speaker 1: go down that path as well. I know I am
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Speaker 1: not one to speak to that because I am a sloth.
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Speaker 1: I am lazy, and I'll admit it, and I hate
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Speaker 1: myself for it.
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Speaker 2: Don't hate yourself.
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Speaker 1: That's Sarah Sarah Herringer. And can I observe before we
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Speaker 1: come to the break here, I had said it to
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Speaker 1: you off the air, if I'm sure my listeners have
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Speaker 1: seen your late husband. He looks like the epitome of
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Speaker 1: badassery when I see a photograph of him, like that
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Speaker 1: guy came to kick some serious But yes, but that
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Speaker 1: was the farthest thing from the truth, wasn't it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah? He was very very kind. Most it surprised people
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Speaker 3: once they got to know him. They're like, wow, that's
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Speaker 3: really not what I expected. I kind of expected this meathead,
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Speaker 3: kind of mongo looking tattooed guy, and he was incredibly
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Speaker 3: intelligent and kind and a good listener and encouraged everyone.
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Speaker 2: And that was one of my favorite things.
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Speaker 3: That being the shock of it all is they're like,
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Speaker 3: oh wow, okay, yes, there's really some depth.
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Speaker 1: Here and your posts, your Facebook posts, You've been very
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Speaker 1: open and revealing, and the love that you had for
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Speaker 1: your late husband comes through just crystal clear, and not
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Speaker 1: already has a relationship like that, so I can certainly
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Speaker 1: understand how profound this is impacted your life. More with
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Speaker 1: Sarah Heringer, we're going to find about where the Patrick
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Speaker 1: Herringer Act is because maybe we can bring about some
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Speaker 1: reform and not let this man's life go to waste.
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Speaker 1: And she's going to see that through eight point fifteen
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Speaker 1: right now. Stick around, folks, fifty five KRC. Are you
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Speaker 1: Coming up on eight nineteen Brian Thomas with Sarah Herringer.
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Speaker 1: Of course she lost her husband, that tragic, awful should
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Speaker 1: never have happened, stabbing in over the rhine in their apartment,
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Speaker 1: and just it's just really heartbreaking. And I'm so pleased
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Speaker 1: you're willing to talk about this because you have the opportunity,
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Speaker 1: and I know you've been out working the phones and
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Speaker 1: talking to people about getting some reform in terms of
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Speaker 1: what it means to have an ankle monitor and what
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Speaker 1: it might mean in terms of if someone cuts her
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Speaker 1: ankle monitor off. We can't let this kind of thing
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Speaker 1: happen again. We I mean, we live in a modern
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Speaker 1: society where they can figure out where we are. Anytime
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Speaker 1: you got a cell phone, boy, they can try to
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Speaker 1: right in on you. We can find a Mexican drug cartel,
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Speaker 1: so marine underwater two thousand miles away. I think we
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Speaker 1: can find a guy local who's cut his ankle monitor off.
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Speaker 1: But that wasn't happening. Is again the murder of your
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Speaker 1: husband was out free from February up until June. After
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Speaker 1: cutting off his ankle monitor, nothing apparently happened. Have you
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Speaker 1: gotten any answers to why that is? I mean, clearly
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Speaker 1: there's a Patrick Herringder Act being discussed now in Columbus
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Speaker 1: and we'll get to the details on that in a minute.
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Speaker 1: But what have you learned since then, Sarah?
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Speaker 2: As far as ankle monitors go, or what happened.
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Speaker 1: Well, either specifically with him or just the whole thing
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Speaker 1: seems to have been a broken concept from the get go,
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Speaker 1: and your husband is the tragic result of or what
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Speaker 1: can happen when it isn't working.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that.
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Speaker 3: So from the state level, that is who parole and
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Speaker 3: when it comes to monitoring the ankle monitors. That would
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Speaker 3: be on the state level, not the city level. So
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Speaker 3: part of the Patrick Herringer Act is getting all of
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Speaker 3: those agesencies, uh, local, state, and even outside of Hamilton
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Speaker 3: County pretty much anyone around when uh, someone goes a wall,
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Speaker 3: cuts off an ankle monitor, doesn't report in.
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Speaker 1: Or stray from their geo fencing. I mean, yes, listen,
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Speaker 1: if you have a dog, now you don't need to
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Speaker 1: put a wire in the yard anymore. You just program
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Speaker 1: program and it creates and establishes a geofence. These people
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Speaker 1: are limited where they can go. You have to stay
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Speaker 1: on your own residential property. Put a geofence along the
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Speaker 1: property line. Boom, problem solve. He goes out of the
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Speaker 1: property line. Sadly, it doesn't shock them. No, can you
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Speaker 1: imagine if it gave them if.
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Speaker 3: It did, yes, yeah, And I mean the entire thing
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Speaker 3: shows that it favors criminals and not and not public safety.
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Speaker 3: And the it's the criminals and those obviously we know
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Speaker 3: people in the Senate and law enforcement, they know that
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Speaker 3: ankle monitors don't report in real time when he cut
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Speaker 3: off his ankle monitor. Uh, you know, I would have
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Speaker 3: thought alarms would have sounded all of that. That's not
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Speaker 3: how they were notified he skipped a meeting with a
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Speaker 3: parole officer, and that's how they know that he then
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Speaker 3: went missing. And just recently in Hamilton County they passed
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Speaker 3: where they reduced the parole officers. They took them out
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Speaker 3: of the field. So there used to be twelve, they
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Speaker 3: cut it down to six. They took them out of
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Speaker 3: the field, and they put them in an office building
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Speaker 3: and are incentivizing now people on parole to have to
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Speaker 3: go and check in with their parole officer. They're giving
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Speaker 3: them like reds tickets and gift cards and all of that.
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Speaker 3: And I'm like, I don't get incentive. I I don't
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Speaker 3: get that to just behave. And so these are people
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Speaker 3: that need to prove that they can integrate into society.
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Speaker 3: And that's how it's like dangling a piece of candy
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Speaker 3: in order for them to show up at something that
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Speaker 3: they are legally already required to do.
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Speaker 1: Right, That's where I was going to go, because a
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Speaker 1: penalty for violin in the terms of your parole, which
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Speaker 1: includes showing up at your parole officer meeting, would be
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Speaker 1: to go back to.
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Speaker 2: Jail exactly to serve the rest of your.
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Speaker 1: Time or no, we got to give a candy bar exactly.
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Speaker 3: And so that that happened, that slipped through that change
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Speaker 3: that not a lot of people are aware of.
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Speaker 2: This is.
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Speaker 3: This is something that has been an effect in Franklin County,
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Speaker 3: and the FOP up in Franklin County has said that
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Speaker 3: they haven't seen better.
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Speaker 2: He talked with Ken kober and.
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Speaker 3: To basically because I was asking questions about this, like, well,
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Speaker 3: if this isn't Franklin County, they're touting that this is,
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Speaker 3: you know, a proven system. We're going to rank criminals
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Speaker 3: on a levels one through four. People with a level
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Speaker 3: one probably don't even have to check in at all.
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Speaker 3: Criminals are also part of ranking themselves, so as long
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Speaker 3: as they have an answer to the test, they know
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Speaker 3: how to get a lower classification.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is wow, this is.
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Speaker 3: Where And then we've just now in Hamilton County downtown
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Speaker 3: they closed the field office and it's like you already
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Speaker 3: have you know we when we dug and looked up
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Speaker 3: up numbers, it's like you already have one hundred and
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Speaker 3: thirty a wall criminals, fifty two of them are violent,
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Speaker 3: and you're reducing the man power to go and find them.
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Speaker 2: You're making it and then.
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Speaker 3: And you also have these systems that initially they they
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Speaker 3: sense changed the policy the state did because when he
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Speaker 3: went missing, they put in a notification and they're saying, okay,
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Speaker 3: even though that was procedure. One of the things with
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Speaker 3: the Patrick Herrenger Act is going to make it a
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Speaker 3: law instead of procedure that not only do they issue
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Speaker 3: a warrant, but they also have to reach out to
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Speaker 3: local municipalities and notify them immediately, which you would have thought.
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Speaker 3: I was like, what what is the Fugitive Apprehension Unit doing?
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 3: Why do we have them if they're not going to
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Speaker 3: also back up and go and find these people?
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Speaker 1: These they got Amber alerts right, yea, they have fugitive
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Speaker 1: on the run lar.
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Speaker 2: Yes, these criminals are out endive shooter.
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Speaker 1: I mean, oh, we have a formerly active shooter who's
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Speaker 1: on parroll and ankle monitor who's run amok and is
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Speaker 1: at large right now.
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Speaker 3: Well and they violent, yes, and they do it with
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Speaker 3: sex criminals.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you got a register where you live.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, and it's like a database.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's put some teeth into having far more accountability.
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Speaker 3: These people are have broken the law. And have shown
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Speaker 3: us multiple times that they don't have an interest in
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Speaker 3: following the rules of society, and so there needs to
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Speaker 3: be a little bit more earning that trust and having
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Speaker 3: transparency and accountability with that process.
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Speaker 1: Supposed to be what the criminal justice system is for exactly,
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Speaker 1: not a rewards program. More with Sarah Herringer Ats eight
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Speaker 1: twenty five, Right now, fifty five krc DE talk station.
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Speaker 1: This is fifty five karc iHeartRadio stage. It's a twenty
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Speaker 1: nine year fifty five cars detalk station. It's such a
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Speaker 1: pleasure to be able to laugh a little bit with
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Speaker 1: Sarah Heringer in spite of the subject matter that has
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Speaker 1: brought her back into the fifty five Cars morning show
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Speaker 1: Citio the murderer of her husband in their own apartment
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Speaker 1: and over the rhine. My listeners all are painfully aware
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Speaker 1: about that. Of course, it's been a subject of conversation
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Speaker 1: here in the city of Cincinnati, given the elections coming up,
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Speaker 1: and up until a moment in time ago have to
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Speaker 1: have Provoll was saying, don't believe your eyes and your ears.
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Speaker 1: We don't have a crime problem. And Sarah's raising her hand, going,
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Speaker 1: oh really, let me tell you about my life up
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Speaker 1: to the moment my husband was murdered in my apartment
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Speaker 1: and over the Rhine. You talked about that last time
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Speaker 1: you were here, regular gunfire, so much so that it
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Speaker 1: became a norm in your life. It was, oh more gunfire. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's another day in the over the Rhine, right,
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Speaker 1: And so we have big issues come up to the election.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if people are paying attention. And I
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Speaker 1: want to be optimistic, but the more I hear about
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Speaker 1: the way things are, the more I think I shouldn't
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Speaker 1: hold my breath for that. But let's move back to
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Speaker 1: Patrick Herringer Act, which is going to hopefully resolve some
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Speaker 1: of the massive holes we found out exist in the
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Speaker 1: ankle monitoring program, one of which I just learned off
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Speaker 1: the air. Now, listeners, are you of the mind? And
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Speaker 1: unless you know something about the system more than I do,
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Speaker 1: are you of the mind that when someone cuts off
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Speaker 1: their ankle or otherwise leaves or geo fencing that's somewhere
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Speaker 1: some office or some computer, an alarm goes off at
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Speaker 1: the moment that happens. Guess what, No, it doesn't, Sarah
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Speaker 1: tell them how that works?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? There?
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Speaker 3: I mean, you had painted such a fun picture where
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Speaker 3: you imagine there are these people in this room, yeah,
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Speaker 3: looking at these screens waiting for something to.
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Speaker 2: Just trigger it in black.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, alien the ankle monitor went off, let's go
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Speaker 3: get them, you know. And there's not resources we just
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Speaker 3: talked in the earlier segment. They're actually removing resources away
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Speaker 3: from the parole program and changing the infrastructure of that
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Speaker 3: at But the ankle monitors are not even a GPS.
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Speaker 2: It's more of it. It's like a pinging.
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Speaker 3: It's like when you're doing cell phone location versus in
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Speaker 3: real time watching them walk down the street on like
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Speaker 3: Google Maps. So he the reason how they were were
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Speaker 3: notified was not when he the moment he cut it off,
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Speaker 3: but when he didn't show up to a parole and
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Speaker 3: that's when it will then. Okay, it's basically this guy
18:28
Speaker 3: is he's not shown up, you can ping it to
18:31
Speaker 3: look to see like in a vicinity, in an area
18:34
Speaker 3: of where they are the parole officer.
18:36
Speaker 1: That's they go to the garbage can as I joked
18:38
Speaker 1: about it on Eighth Street.
18:41
Speaker 3: Okay, you know, and if that happened with in this circumstance,
18:46
Speaker 3: I don't know the you know, the granular details as
18:49
Speaker 3: far as that goes, but just how it works overall,
18:51
Speaker 3: that's how ankle monitors work. They're not tracking in real time.
18:55
Speaker 3: And you see that because we know there are hundreds
19:00
Speaker 3: of people on parole that have cut off their ankle
19:03
Speaker 3: monitors in the state of Ohio and are a wall.
19:07
Speaker 3: We know about the ones in Hamilton County. So but
19:12
Speaker 3: the other problem that we're also seeing and have come
19:15
Speaker 3: up lately and even with the Reagan tokes of why
19:18
Speaker 3: these needs to monitor in real time there needs to
19:21
Speaker 3: be more teeth in this program is many criminals commit
19:25
Speaker 3: crimes with them.
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Speaker 1: On Yeah, they do.
19:30
Speaker 3: So it's really you know, it isn't it's not a
19:34
Speaker 3: security fence, it doesn't keep them within a zone. It's
19:38
Speaker 3: not this massive alarm system. There's not a ton of
19:42
Speaker 3: man power monitoring these people, and they are aware of that.
19:49
Speaker 3: And so what's the problem is is the public isn't
19:55
Speaker 3: educated on this in order to call up Cyndie Abrams
19:58
Speaker 3: or their states or you know, demand change, yes, action
20:05
Speaker 3: and reformation within these programs because we are blind and
20:12
Speaker 3: thinking that there's some teeth to this and that a
20:15
Speaker 3: criminal with an ankle monitor is truly being watched when
20:18
Speaker 3: they're really not well.
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Speaker 1: I mean an Apple air tag thing would do a
20:23
Speaker 1: better job than an ankle monitor. It's real time monitoring,
20:27
Speaker 1: and I know technology has existed for years that if
20:31
Speaker 1: you have the appropriate tracking device, it will map out
20:34
Speaker 1: where that person has been. You'll get this full day's
20:37
Speaker 1: activity of where they went, did they leave their their
20:40
Speaker 1: geofens location, So you could recreate potential parole violations by
20:45
Speaker 1: looking back at the history of you know, the data
20:47
Speaker 1: that's been tracked. I imagine that the current ankle monitors don't
20:51
Speaker 1: do that either.
20:52
Speaker 3: No, and that's and if you're going to remove the
20:54
Speaker 3: manpower understanding, like you're right, technology has advanced and so
20:59
Speaker 3: you if you use the right technology, you probably could
21:02
Speaker 3: lower the manpower as far as that goes. But you
21:06
Speaker 3: can't do both. You can't have this archaic technology that's
21:11
Speaker 3: not really serving the purpose that it's designed or was
21:15
Speaker 3: the intent of what we set it out, and then
21:17
Speaker 3: also remove people who can be the monitors in real
21:22
Speaker 3: time and who were initially supposed to write the parole
21:25
Speaker 3: officer was supposed to be out in the community. They're
21:27
Speaker 3: supposed to know these people, they're supposed to watch them
21:30
Speaker 3: show up. They have these regular check ins. They're there
21:33
Speaker 3: to make sure they're integrating into society. And now you've
21:36
Speaker 3: also removed that as well, So it can't be both.
21:39
Speaker 1: It cannot be both. Well, continue with Sarah Herringer kind
21:41
Speaker 1: of not to come int the CTUDYO today, talk about
21:43
Speaker 1: these very important issues and probably going to issue a
21:45
Speaker 1: call to action. I think I can do it right now.
21:48
Speaker 1: You know the legislation is up there, Patrick Heringer act
21:51
Speaker 1: and who would you, I mean, just your elected official,
21:54
Speaker 1: your state representative, of your state senator, wherever neighborhood you
21:56
Speaker 1: happen to be in, call them up, send them an email,
21:59
Speaker 1: sent them a text, Yeah, tell them, move forward. Let's
22:01
Speaker 1: get this out of committee, Let's get it voted on,
22:03
Speaker 1: let's get it in acted. We need some reform for
22:06
Speaker 1: the safety and security of the residents of the state
22:08
Speaker 1: of Ohio. Or with Sarah Heringer coming up next, don't go.
22:10
Speaker 2: Away fifty five KARC.
22:15
Speaker 1: The talk station seven thirty nine. I think you have
22:19
Speaker 1: KERCD talk station Ry Thomas with Sarah Herringer in studio,
22:22
Speaker 1: widow of Patrick Herringer again murdered and over the rhine
22:25
Speaker 1: in their home. And of course the ancal monitor. We've
22:27
Speaker 1: talked about that. There is legislation. It's up there in
22:30
Speaker 1: Columbus and you can call your representatives and your senators
22:34
Speaker 1: and ask them where it is the Patrick Herringer Act.
22:36
Speaker 1: Will it come out of committee anytime soon? Will we
22:38
Speaker 1: get some reform that seems to be overly needed. Guess what,
22:41
Speaker 1: it's twenty twenty five. We've got new technology that's not
22:44
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty years old, apparently, and it might work. So
22:48
Speaker 1: inquiring minds want to know, Sarah. Apparently Christopher Smithman among
22:52
Speaker 1: others listening right now, and was the topic that you
22:54
Speaker 1: and I were talking about when we got the text
22:56
Speaker 1: message and the message from Streker. Hey, what's the story
22:59
Speaker 1: on the mayor? Has the mayor reached out to you?
23:00
Speaker 1: And have you heard anything from any of the council members?
23:03
Speaker 1: So let's answer their questions and mind what's going on
23:06
Speaker 1: on that level? Sarah?
23:07
Speaker 3: Well, I was, I mean, you said it so well.
23:10
Speaker 3: The silences is deafening. I and I before we went
23:15
Speaker 3: on the segment, I was gonna say, yes, reach out,
23:17
Speaker 3: but also reach out to Aftab and ask what he's
23:20
Speaker 3: done for safety reform. And he's got a lot of
23:24
Speaker 3: influence standing behind him. If there's someone who should be
23:27
Speaker 3: reaching out to state representatives and trying to get a
23:30
Speaker 3: law passed on that level, You would think you would.
23:33
Speaker 2: Be pretty helpful with that, you would.
23:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, and city, No one on city Council has reached out.
23:40
Speaker 3: John Cranley reached out when he found out he's not
23:43
Speaker 3: exactly and was, you know, is there anything I can
23:46
Speaker 3: help you with? Is there anyone who I can connect
23:49
Speaker 3: you with? And that's someone who no longer holds political office,
23:55
Speaker 3: but has influence and and wants to help. And so
24:00
Speaker 3: when I met with Aftab and he said I'll do
24:02
Speaker 3: whatever it takes to help you pass any type of laws,
24:05
Speaker 3: It's like, well, you know, we need to see action.
24:08
Speaker 3: And I think that's something that this entire time I've
24:11
Speaker 3: been saying is the people who are currently in office
24:15
Speaker 3: care far more about optics than they do about action.
24:19
Speaker 3: And that's something that voters need to be considering. Hopefully
24:23
Speaker 3: that gets people out of their seats and gets them
24:26
Speaker 3: down into the voting booths next month, because the current
24:30
Speaker 3: administration has done nothing to try to make sure that
24:33
Speaker 3: they're safer than they were in June.
24:36
Speaker 1: Well, as I told you, and I can let my
24:38
Speaker 1: listeners know the little story. I think it was talking
24:41
Speaker 1: with Christopher Smithman, who's running for council. Of course he
24:43
Speaker 1: goes door to door and how many times people residents
24:48
Speaker 1: of the City of Cincinnati in the weeks leading up
24:51
Speaker 1: to the election, which is the first week in November,
24:53
Speaker 1: everybody that they don't even know there's an election coming up.
24:56
Speaker 1: I mean with a straight face to say, oh, we
24:57
Speaker 1: have an election coming up, like, yeah, vote for the
25:00
Speaker 1: mayor and nine city council members. That someone could live
25:03
Speaker 1: in the City of Cincinnati and be so politically oblivious
25:07
Speaker 1: is to not know that all important election is coming
25:12
Speaker 1: up and something that they might be able to have
25:14
Speaker 1: an impact on their own neighborhood.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean local politics is really where you have
25:19
Speaker 3: the most amount of control and where it affects you
25:21
Speaker 3: the most, quite honestly. And you know, everyone they get
25:27
Speaker 3: wrapped up if they do vote on the national level.
25:30
Speaker 3: But right now, yeah, if you live in the city
25:32
Speaker 3: and you want to see your neighborhoods get safer, who
25:36
Speaker 3: you vote in in this next election is going to
25:39
Speaker 3: make a difference as to whether we see that improve
25:41
Speaker 3: or we see it to continue to rot and fall apart.
25:44
Speaker 1: What's your reaction. I mean up until only recently, as
25:48
Speaker 1: I said earlier, in a moment of time ago, Aftab
25:51
Speaker 1: said there was no crime problem in the city Cincinnati,
25:54
Speaker 1: And now he's pivoted over to saying public safety is
25:58
Speaker 1: our number one or has always been our number one priority.
26:01
Speaker 1: That's what he's saying now as we fast a close
26:03
Speaker 1: pro the election. What's your reaction to that sort of
26:06
Speaker 1: bipolar reality of what he's saying.
26:08
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if people are paying attention, they see
26:11
Speaker 3: the conflict, right they And initially they had released the
26:16
Speaker 3: CPD had released saying hey, look, crime's down during winter,
26:20
Speaker 3: and then in the very next press conference, the chief says,
26:24
Speaker 3: we knew things were going to ramp up.
26:26
Speaker 2: So it's what is it? Is crime down or did
26:28
Speaker 2: you know it was going to ramp up?
26:30
Speaker 3: What is it We don't have a crime problem or
26:33
Speaker 3: Aftab said safety is our first, second, and third priority.
26:37
Speaker 3: So which one is it. He's also now throwing out numbers.
26:41
Speaker 3: Data is confusing or he doesn't want to deal with it.
26:43
Speaker 3: He's like, oh, let's not look at the data. People
26:46
Speaker 3: don't feel safe and their feelings aren't and it's like people,
26:50
Speaker 3: I'm it's not down to whether I felt safe or not.
26:54
Speaker 3: We were not safe. People in OTR are not safe.
26:59
Speaker 3: And what has changed? And now you know they're either
27:03
Speaker 3: a great distraction and probably doing the right thing too
27:07
Speaker 3: with scrutinizing the chief. But you know, if you have
27:12
Speaker 3: to look over the last the question that voters should
27:14
Speaker 3: be asking themselves is are they safer in the city
27:17
Speaker 3: than they were four years ago.
27:19
Speaker 1: That's a great way of putting it, you know. And Sarah,
27:22
Speaker 1: I used to work in over the Rhine back in
27:23
Speaker 1: the eighties, a place called Harry's Meats and Seafood. It's
27:26
Speaker 1: not there anymore. It was across from the Central Stand
27:30
Speaker 1: and I would walk back and forth to my car,
27:33
Speaker 1: you know, white kid from del High In. This is
27:37
Speaker 1: pre rehabilitation and pre gentrification of Over the Rhine, So
27:41
Speaker 1: it probably was at its lowest point in terms of
27:44
Speaker 1: relative to where it is right now, before Washington Park
27:46
Speaker 1: had been rehabilitated. I mean, so much has changed down there.
27:50
Speaker 1: I never never even thought about crime going back and
27:52
Speaker 1: forth to that business. And at one point, I remember
27:55
Speaker 1: Chris Geiger, who's the one of the owners. He gave
27:59
Speaker 1: me several things, thousand dollars in cash from the register
28:02
Speaker 1: put it in a paper bag and handed it to me.
28:04
Speaker 1: I got my butcher's smock on, and he told me
28:07
Speaker 1: to walk it up to the bank, which was like
28:08
Speaker 1: five six blocks down up the hill, and you know, here,
28:12
Speaker 1: go ahead. And I thought that was the first time
28:15
Speaker 1: I ever felt like I maybe I was concerned, but
28:17
Speaker 1: nothing ever happened. Yeah, I didn't feel. There weren't gunshots
28:20
Speaker 1: going off, there weren't people doing drugs on the corner.
28:24
Speaker 1: And it was supposed to be a worse place then
28:27
Speaker 1: than it is now. It's I don't know, it's just
28:29
Speaker 1: always standing amazement on that. We're going to continue with
28:31
Speaker 1: Sarah Herringer. We got one more here on a Friday
28:34
Speaker 1: see deep talk station. It's eight forty nine here fifty
28:39
Speaker 1: five KCV talk station Brian Thomas with Sarah Herringer, obviously
28:44
Speaker 1: requeuing the fact that Sarah's and studio because her husband
28:46
Speaker 1: was murdered in their apartment and over the right and
28:48
Speaker 1: you were north of Liberty right filling Market area.
28:51
Speaker 2: One block north.
28:52
Speaker 1: Different circumstance south of Liberty than north of Liberty is
28:55
Speaker 1: at your perception, because I keep hearing about the primary
28:57
Speaker 1: crime problem is north of Liberty and there hasn't been
29:01
Speaker 1: as much quote unquote gentrification there. But by that even
29:05
Speaker 1: if that is true, I know there is this significant
29:07
Speaker 1: spillover effect. Clearly crime is all the way down to
29:10
Speaker 1: the banks. So yes, given that crime is such an
29:14
Speaker 1: important issue as we go into the election, mary have
29:19
Speaker 1: to have Purvol's reaction to the offer of assistance from
29:22
Speaker 1: governor to Wine. He did offer thirty days a full
29:26
Speaker 1: month's worth, month after month of four free additional Aiso
29:29
Speaker 1: State patrol resources. And since we're not enough, we don't
29:32
Speaker 1: have enough contingent of police officers. We're down one hundred,
29:34
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty two hundred. It's like a moving target.
29:37
Speaker 1: But given morale and the number of officers that are
29:39
Speaker 1: not happy with their situation, we're losing them every day.
29:42
Speaker 1: We can't fill the ranks and up we can't get
29:44
Speaker 1: up to what is a normal contingent. Christopher Smithman suggested, well,
29:48
Speaker 1: you know we should. Pervoll took two days and then
29:50
Speaker 1: he said, we'll take four days worth of OSP on
29:52
Speaker 1: a monthly basis. Now, if you're getting offered something for free,
29:55
Speaker 1: and you are missing already an objectively accurate, say one
30:01
Speaker 1: hundred officers from your contingent. You want to put more
30:05
Speaker 1: people on patrol because the presence of police alone can
30:09
Speaker 1: reduce crime. It's like having your late husband in the room.
30:11
Speaker 1: No one's gonna start any crap with your husband in
30:13
Speaker 1: the room because look at him, and this guy's gonna
30:15
Speaker 1: be able to handle himself. Coh That's exactly the effect
30:18
Speaker 1: that they have. So wouldn't you I would say, and
30:20
Speaker 1: Christoper would say, take enough resources from the state to
30:24
Speaker 1: get us to a contingent where we're that we're supposed
30:28
Speaker 1: to him and see if it has an impact. Is
30:30
Speaker 1: it really the lack of officers and the lack of
30:32
Speaker 1: officer presence. We can find that out for free grabby officers.
30:35
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
30:37
Speaker 1: So what I mean your respond your reaction to have
30:40
Speaker 1: to have Purvoll's take on all this since he's finally
30:44
Speaker 1: acknowledged that crime is a problem.
30:46
Speaker 3: Well, I actions are what speak right, and you want
30:51
Speaker 3: to see ultimately, if something is working, a result is different.
30:56
Speaker 3: Aptab hasn't admitted something is broken, so how why would
31:00
Speaker 3: he go to means of fixing something if he thinks
31:02
Speaker 3: everything is fine? And that's really that's the what you
31:07
Speaker 3: have to look for. Is there an admittance of what
31:10
Speaker 3: we're doing isn't enough. Something's broken, it needs fixing.
31:14
Speaker 1: Maybe getting rid of the chief of police, right, that's see,
31:17
Speaker 1: that's him trying to say, well, the thing that's broken
31:20
Speaker 1: is police chief three soy Thigi, who two weeks ago
31:23
Speaker 1: I was standing arm in arm with talking about what
31:25
Speaker 1: a great job she's doing, only to find out that no,
31:28
Speaker 1: we're going to do an investigation to find out, well
31:30
Speaker 1: why chief police Chief Thedi's doing such a bad job.
31:33
Speaker 1: This is all smoking mirror, Sarah, you know what.
31:36
Speaker 2: Sent I regret.
31:37
Speaker 3: I was going to write on it saying I guarantee
31:40
Speaker 3: you before the election he will get rid of her.
31:43
Speaker 3: And I think it is it's I've heard it's one
31:46
Speaker 3: or the other, right, Like she's either only a scapegoat
31:49
Speaker 3: or she's incompetent at her job. And it's like, why
31:52
Speaker 3: can't it be both. Maybe that's why they put her
31:55
Speaker 3: in yes's you know, and it's and I want to
31:59
Speaker 3: offer respect to her as a human being. I've been
32:03
Speaker 3: I've seen what people say about people online and she
32:06
Speaker 3: is a human and we can still we should be critical.
32:10
Speaker 3: She's been chief of police for three years. Again, the
32:13
Speaker 3: question is has crime gotten better? Or worse, let's be
32:16
Speaker 3: objective here with that she rightfully so should be removed
32:21
Speaker 3: from position. And I don't think that's enough.
32:26
Speaker 1: But removed from the position. And here's where I think
32:28
Speaker 1: all the errors are going to ultimately point hand selected
32:32
Speaker 1: by Cheryl Long and have to have purval over the
32:34
Speaker 1: interests of the police officers. The police officers were asked,
32:37
Speaker 1: they said, do not put police chief or put Fiji
32:40
Speaker 1: in that job. No, no, we're putting her in.
32:42
Speaker 3: They wanted Lisa Davis, who's now the chief of police
32:44
Speaker 3: for Austin, Texas.
32:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are her boss. They have the power over
32:49
Speaker 1: hiring and firing.
32:51
Speaker 2: Correct.
32:51
Speaker 1: Can I imagine during an interview, if you're talking about
32:53
Speaker 1: appointing someone the police chief, you might want to ask
32:55
Speaker 1: a few questions. Are you willing to follow this administration's directives?
32:58
Speaker 1: We are your boss? And I'm certain she did. Yeah,
33:01
Speaker 1: you know this woke police department, reimagining the police department,
33:04
Speaker 1: you know, the whole defund the police concept with parvol embraced.
33:06
Speaker 1: And so did some council members that she followed their directive,
33:10
Speaker 1: did what they were told? Found out lo and behold,
33:13
Speaker 1: more crime, less cops, more crime. This is not the
33:15
Speaker 1: path you go. See Portland, see San Francisco. Every other
33:19
Speaker 1: city's tried this, and so she's being let go and
33:21
Speaker 1: her position analyzed because she was doing exactly what the
33:24
Speaker 1: administrator want hook in the mirror AFTAB.
33:26
Speaker 2: Yes, one hundred percent.
33:28
Speaker 3: And that's but I think that's it's the story that
33:31
Speaker 3: he wants.
33:32
Speaker 2: Right.
33:32
Speaker 3: Oh, it's it's not me. It's the police that can't
33:37
Speaker 3: handle it. And that's why they put her in that position,
33:40
Speaker 3: and that's why they're having her fall on the sword
33:42
Speaker 3: right now.
33:43
Speaker 1: Elections have consequences, and I'd like to see the more
33:46
Speaker 1: voter turn out in downtown Cincinnati beyond the Sherry Poland's
33:49
Speaker 1: predicting about twenty five percent board of election. Sherry Poland's
33:52
Speaker 1: She's done this dance for decades, so I would consider
33:55
Speaker 1: her her projection to be an accurate one. Wouldn't be
33:58
Speaker 1: nice if more people showed up.
34:00
Speaker 3: They need to they need to get out, they need
34:02
Speaker 3: to vote, and you know, change up city council for sure.
34:07
Speaker 3: There's some really good people in the running for that,
34:10
Speaker 3: and they if they care about the trajectory and business owners.
34:16
Speaker 3: I mean, downtown is full of local business owners and
34:21
Speaker 3: even for the safety and the profitability of their business.
34:24
Speaker 3: This is something people really need to be considering. Otherwise
34:27
Speaker 3: we might be seeing a Cincinnati that looks, you know,
34:30
Speaker 3: twenty years ago, when it was a ghost town after
34:33
Speaker 3: five o'clock, whenever one left the banks.
34:35
Speaker 1: It was I remember when Nick Cliney was a reporter.
34:37
Speaker 1: He would do editorials back in the eighties, and I
34:40
Speaker 1: remember him making this profound statement, Cincinnati's dead. There is
34:44
Speaker 1: no point in coming down here other than going to
34:47
Speaker 1: the office. There's nothing to do here. And what a
34:50
Speaker 1: world of change has happened in Cincinnati. The one problem crime.
34:54
Speaker 3: Crime, And during COVID, the suburbs thrived. They had to build,
34:58
Speaker 3: they had to, you know, And so it's not the
35:01
Speaker 3: same ballgame anymore. If you want people coming downtown, they
35:04
Speaker 3: have to feel as safe as they do out in
35:06
Speaker 3: the suburbs.
35:07
Speaker 1: No one's there right now. Sarah Herringer, God bless you
35:09
Speaker 1: for the time you spent my listeners to me today.
35:12
Speaker 1: I'll pray for you and hope you continue building up
35:15
Speaker 1: the strength and courage to move on and move forward.
35:17
Speaker 1: We hope to see you back at the gym, and
35:19
Speaker 1: I'll encourage my listeners get down over the RNE and
35:23
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