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Controversial Austrian Grand Prix Recap - Fast Laps with the Boys - F1 2024 - British GP Preview · Banter with the Boys

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Yo yo yo welcome back to Banter with the boys fast laps.
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Obviously I'm smeltzy next to me we got Joe.
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Joe what's going on?
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It's going man.
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That was definitely a race that we witnessed.
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A race?
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We're going to talk about it.
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Hey there's a great intro.
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Cole, Cole how's your week been?
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Good.
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Weather update is beautiful.
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Beautiful today again.
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It's beautiful.
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Well storms tonight though.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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Not crazy though.
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Not to excite you.
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No nothing I'm putting money on you know.
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Not this weekend.
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Not this weekend.
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Not this weekend.
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Tyler what's going on?
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Not much man.
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It's beautiful outside.
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It was a fun race to watch.
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Fun race to watch.
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Hopefully before we get into that Austria GP recap we got to talk about the cappy one
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more time for you as July 4th is coming up.
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Tyler do you got any 4th of July plans?
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Fans?
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Do you got any 4th of July plans?
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I do actually.
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We're planning on getting the pool open.
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We got a guy coming tomorrow so in a perfect world we're going to be just chilling by the
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pool.
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Don't want to get any pool water in the can so just got to have that cappy at all times.
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Got to have the cappy at all times speaking of having the cappy at all times cool.
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It's got a key chain holder on it.
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Yeah it's pretty straightforward too honestly.
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You know pretty easy to slide on anything.
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Yep perfect.
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Yeah I'll be taking it by the pool.
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Taking it by the pool this weekend.
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Might go to the lake.
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I don't want that lake water you know I'm ripping around.
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Right no 100%.
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Hold the skis behind the boat.
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I'm going to hold the cappy in there.
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Put the thing to the test out there huh?
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Might as well.
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Might as well.
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Submerge it.
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I think it'll hold the test.
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Yeah absolutely.
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Joe where are you utilizing the cappy this week?
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Oh yeah I mean I got a bunch of friends.
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We're all can drinkers so we're all going to have brews so it's going to be nice to
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have you know the cappy here.
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They're all different colors.
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We can kind of you know know which color is ours so we don't start grabbing each other's.
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We all drink the same thing because you know we're all one mind and stupid sometimes but
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the cappy is there to make sure we don't start sipping each other.
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And you all have the cappy so you're all of one mind again.
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Another example.
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And what better time than this weekend to take advantage of the four pack.
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You just you have a couple friends over you get two three packs of cappies.
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Everybody's beers labeled.
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They get their own their own choice.
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And even if you order it right now you can still get it by the fourth because of this
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great thing called Amazon Prime.
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Again their prime choice item.
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What are you going to say about the cappy Cole?
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No I was just going to say exactly what you just said.
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Where are you going to pick it up this weekend Schmelzi?
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Where are you going to grab it for this weekend?
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Well Amazon.
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Amazon.
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That's the only place.
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That's the only place.
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I'm not going to order one right now but I just can't right now.
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I don't have any internet connection.
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But when you do get internet connection make sure you get on Amazon Prime and order that
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thing.
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And of course right into our what was it Joe?
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The Qatar Airways Austrian GP.
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Something like that.
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I think that's what it is.
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Ironically next week's is also.
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Oh I have it right in front of me.
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Yeah the Formula One Qatar Airways Austrian Grand Prix.
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Yeah you said it.
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I didn't even memorize.
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Yeah for sure.
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I know what I'm doing.
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Anyway let's just start off with the sprint race.
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I did not catch the sprint race.
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Did you catch the sprint race Joe?
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I did.
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Yep.
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Not the sprint race.
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Everybody but you.
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Everybody but you.
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Oh everybody.
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I forgot there was it but I did watch it.
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Yesterday's race was so exciting.
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I thought you meant like you forgot that it was.
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No I watched it.
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So you didn't even watch it.
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Okay.
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So everybody but me.
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But anyway what did you see in it?
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Starting first nine laps some pretty good fighting from McLaren and Red Bull.
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Couldn't exactly make it past him unfortunately.
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We did see Piastri getting ahead of Lando.
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But that's kind of that's really the only note I made the entire race.
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Otherwise it was pretty chill.
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Nothing much else happened.
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It was pretty straightforward.
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Do you guys think right after Piastri made the pass on Lando they should pull team orders
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and got Lando back out there and let him fight because Piastri was just so much slower than
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Lando.
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I don't think so.
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I mean at that point Lando had given it his all.
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He threw everything he could at max.
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He passed him and then just got immediately passed back.
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So I don't think it was necessary.
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Especially you're fighting for one point.
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It is a real race.
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If it was Sunday maybe.
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Yeah.
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Piastri was just he was slower in that sprint.
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I mean both races obviously Lando looked really good this weekend again.
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But stuff I don't know I was just hoping that he was gonna get him.
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Yeah.
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You don't think they made team orders to stop them from fighting in the sprint do you?
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Yes.
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That I wouldn't be surprised if they did.
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It would only make sense.
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They were very like Lando was just chilling.
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He was just dragging on DRS.
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They were just pulling away from the pack and they were just honestly they looked like
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they were just cruising out there like just for a joyride.
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They weren't racing hard.
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They weren't really racing.
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I think Lando could have caught him.
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Lando stayed like exactly the same time distance away from the whole time.
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I think they were just both in cruise mode at that point.
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Gotcha.
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I feel like they're both respectful of each other and they know not to ruin each other's
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race.
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I feel like Oscar even though he's in his rookie season he's still like not rookie his
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second year he's really shown a lot of maturity so I feel like he's there.
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I do agree Lando is probably quicker.
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I would have hoped that if they got really really quick you know it would have allowed
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them to fight a little bit but again not probably.
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Come on.
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You didn't say that much confidence on that one.
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Well Oscar was fast this weekend.
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He wasn't as fast as Lando.
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Lando was a rocket ship this weekend.
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He got past Lando.
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Lando was a rocket ship this weekend.
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He was but he got past him in the sprint.
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He took advantage of the fight though.
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He got past him in the battle from Lando and Max.
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Like I said it's a sprint race.
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You're fighting for one point.
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You don't want to mess the car up going into Sunday.
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You don't want to blemish on the car going into Sunday.
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Let alone both of them.
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McLaren is qualifying right after that too.
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So they're probably yeah you're right they're probably just keeping it easy.
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You know two podiums for McLaren is good in the sprint.
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Focus on Sunday.
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And I don't think Lando cares about the one point.
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Max would probably be everything he could to get that one point.
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But Lando at that point I don't think he's going to put up that much of a fight against
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his teammate.
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I mean he could use that one point this weekend though.
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He could but I mean if it wasn't his teammate that's different.
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It's his teammate.
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I sent you this graphic.
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Before this race I sent Tyler a graphic and it was going over the previous three races
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before this one.
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And Red Bull out of Ferrari, McLaren.
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It was the big four.
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Red Bull was third or fourth in points the last three weeks before this one.
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It was all Max.
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In the last four races.
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Yeah.
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And it was all Max's points.
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It was like eight.
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Yeah that's it for sure.
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But like McLaren for example was like 20 something points above them in the last three races.
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And like Ferrari or no Mercedes was a big jump too.
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It was kind of shocking how much because based on how much they had in just those three races
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if they keep going this progression.
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I mean there's a very good chance that there's a couple teams fighting for the first in the
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constructors.
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Well you got Sergio Pérez not racing right now.
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I mean he looks terrible.
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It's horrible.
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Especially in this track.
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This is Red Bull's track.
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I don't get it.
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It's unreal.
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The car is designed for this track.
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I was almost mad he got eighth in this sprint.
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Like even though it's one point for him I was like what are we doing?
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Give it to somebody else.
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Give it to somebody else that's trying.
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The poor guy in the Haas behind him.
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And since it is Red Bull's track like we should see a Red Bull at least in the podium and
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we didn't.
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So we'll head right into that obviously.
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George Russell getting the dub.
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I mean I got a second what?
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Second career win I believe it was for George.
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Yep.
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Gosh.
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Got to give it to him.
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I mean he hung in there.
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Got the dub.
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Just kept driving.
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Yeah.
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He was like juggling about it at the end on the radio like I guess it's never over you
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know what I mean?
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It's not over until it's over.
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And 100%.
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He's 100% right.
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He erased everything.
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I mean he did all he could have done to give himself a win in that car.
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Yeah.
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With how it looked right?
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He did everything he could have done.
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He did everything he needed to do.
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Nothing against him right?
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Yeah.
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He had the podium locked up.
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I mean you got to take advantage of the opportunities right?
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If you're going to have that battle up front just stay within the range where you can take
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advantage of it and that's exactly what he did.
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If anybody would have picked George Russell as the race winner this weekend you would
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have won a lot of money.
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Yeah.
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Yeah you sure would have.
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I mean you can say almost those same things about the whole podium.
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Yeah.
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But before we even get into McClaren obviously Lewis had another decent drive.
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It was nice to see Lewis fighting.
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I mean it seemed like we saw offense and defense from Lewis this race and like again just like
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last year that upward trajectory for Lewis.
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I mean do we see Lewis steal a win by the end of the season?
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I mean George is racing well and getting more consistent every week.
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There has to be more coming to that car I think for him to pull a win.
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I don't think that car can win right now unless stuff like that happened last weekend happens.
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Well and then your dark web stuff from last week.
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Yeah.
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About the sabotage.
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And I think that I mean Russell I think is just a quicker driver than Lewis in that car
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right now.
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Yeah.
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I really do.
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I mean last week with Lewis finishing above him he did but Russell was in third the entire
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race and Lewis got him when they did that tire switch.
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So yeah.
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True.
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Russell looks really damn good right now.
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He looks like what he was coveted as is this future world champion.
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Like he's coming into that form with a car that isn't on the level of the Red Bull or
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the McClaren.
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I mean it might be close to that.
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It might be getting there at this point.
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But I think we saw that gap before Max and Lando did their thing and we'll get into that.
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That gap that was between Lando and Russell I think that's about right it seems right
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now.
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So like again just getting the dub from taking advantage of the situation but it's not like
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he's not earning it for sure.
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He's a giant.
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He is a giant.
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He's a big dude.
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After the race in that room with the three top guys he is enormous.
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That guy is probably like 135 pounds too.
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Speaking of that cool down room when they and this will lead us right into McClaren
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unless you got anything to say about George and Mercedes.
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No no I just yeah like you guys said he's super consistent.
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You know he was saying he was you know chilling just keeping his pace watching the big screen
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waiting for Lando and Max to just watching them fight essentially to see if they messed
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up and that's what happened.
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Which would have been I mean he had front row seats of that.
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Yeah he really did and he took the opportunity and the only thing I also want to call out
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just because I thought it was hilarious his two comms that he had during the race.
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Go to George saying you can win this race and George replying just let me effing drive
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and then after the race when he won it you could actually hear George say yabba dabba
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doo.
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No he didn't.
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He did.
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He 100% just scooby-dooed that win.
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So George is now like I guess he's my favorite driver now.
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I don't know.
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Oh snap making the jump from McClaren to Mercedes.
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I got the hat.
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I think I'm just going to keep wearing it.
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It's funny about the first comment too like Toto after like during George's cool down
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lap got on the comms was like George sorry about getting on your like talking on the
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radio during your breaking and George responded just like Toto it's all good I like knew you
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were super excited and you could just say like the excitedness.
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Which you could hear it in Toto's voice on the comms how excited he was about it.
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He doesn't hop on the mic that often.
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Let alone shows you like that excitement usually it's pretty stale.
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He's yelling and complaining about something going on and that's not right.
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That's not right.
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Michael!
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Yeah you hear him on the talking to the stewards or trying to calm down his drivers you know
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when something's wrong.
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I haven't heard him much this season in general.
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I haven't heard Mercedes much.
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Well.
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Until the last couple of races.
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There is that but anyway back to what I was going to say in the cool down room when all
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three of them were in there watching the incident between Lando and Max and they all kind of
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just like scoffed kind of it was kind of funny but they did all seem to take and according
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to the commentators and the stewards it was Max's fault.
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I mean he got the 10 second compared to Lando's five on that incident I'm almost positive
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did he not?
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Well Lando didn't get penalized for that incident.
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At all?
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Lando was the track limit.
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You don't you won't see both drivers get penalized in like a crash it's just it has to be one
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person's fault right?
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Which I mean.
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Which I mean it's debatable.
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At first I didn't think it was but watching it over and over again I do think Max kind
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of came over a little bit too far.
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Here's my issue.
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Pinched him off.
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Obviously I think it was obvious it was Max's fault.
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I think it was Max who's won so much being a sore loser and afterwards he talked about
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like oh I'm not out there to take second I'm out there to win that's why I'm racing I don't
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care if I'm top in the constructors and all that.
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At the same time dude you were you lost right?
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And then you just did like a grimy move pushing him out and you know I just I just makes me
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just love Max even more man.
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Did anybody see Lando's interview post race?
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I didn't watch.
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Oh yeah.
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He said he basically said like that it was you know Max it was he blamed Max and was
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like if he looks back at this and doesn't take any sort of responsibility I'm gonna
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lose a lot I'm gonna lose all respect for him and then follow that up or even if he
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takes responsibility I'll earn a little bit back.
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So he said Lando was heated.
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As heated as Lando gets.
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Well right but we've constantly seen the past few weeks how frustrated Lando's getting
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not winning he obviously he wants to get the win.
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And he drove to win.
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He did.
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He did everything he could.
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Yeah the correct race to win that was all on Max and even to even expand on what you
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were saying Lando was saying that like there's there's if he doesn't come out own up to it
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like their friendship might be tarnished.
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Which is wild.
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Yeah they're best buds.
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But I mean if you think about it what 20 30 years ago on the grid.
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Nobody was friends.
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Nobody was friends.
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Yeah thank you nobody was friends.
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So like I'd love to see you get back to a mix of that.
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I don't I don't need to see.
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Not in this manner.
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Fist fighting you know.
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No not like this.
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Let the let the battling on track let's go back to like the I don't know even like the
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Lewis and Max battles right.
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There was respect on the track between it there wasn't any dirty moves and I think that's
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a I think that's a part of what the where the issue lies right now is Max coming up
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in F1 has not been penalized for this type of driving.
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It's not that Max did anything different this race than he's done his entire career.
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That's just the type of driver he is and if the FIA just keeps letting him get away with
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it this is what what's his name Andrea Stefani.
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What is McLaren's not there.
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Ah it's like.
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Ride with it.
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His principal.
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It's not the principal.
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Yeah it's like it's the principal because it's not Brown because he's the whatever but
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you can.
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What do you think Stella there you go Andrea Stella.
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So he came home was like this is the this is what you get when Max has been able to
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get away with this his entire career.
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Yeah like you can't expect the driver to change at this point if he's used to this happening
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and he's getting away with it then that's it is what it is.
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Yeah you got to make the adjustment as we're stepping like I think it is with you what
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you're saying a lot Cole is like he's doing what he needs to do to win because he know
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the race is lost at that point.
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So you got to put the elbows out now he put him out too far in this case obviously and
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I mean it was nice to see though Max take some he did take accountability for it he
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didn't just instantly blame Landal like he typically does even the immediate post race
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interview not the press conference but he was just like you know it's easy to make judgments
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right now I need to go back and look at the footage and see what actually happened like
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I thought I gave him enough room but it's all right away and then what sparked that
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to the Cole was the question is the podium the reporter literally asked him why didn't
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you just let him pass you your first in the constructor standing.
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Yes that's a stupid question to ask an F1 driver that's a it's a bait question right
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yeah it's a bait question.
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Oh it's definitely a bait question.
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So it's like like you have to respond that way if you ever step in.
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So it is but just to gauge everybody's everybody in the green says Max's it was on Max right
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everybody's.
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It's the overwhelming like consensus between F1.
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Absolutely yeah he was making some pretty dirty moves like under braking where you shouldn't
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do childish childish and then like once he got that puncture he continued to do it he
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pushed Lando off again yeah I think the penalty was just a scratch.
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You can see him not turning that.
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Like after he got it.
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I think it was the penalty was deserved unfortunately just didn't do anything.
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I cannot tell you how frustrated it made me that he still finished fifth.
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It's unbelievable.
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The fact that Lando DNF'd.
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And the fact that he still beat Checo who's racing.
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No doubt.
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Dude that's a great point.
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Checo was racing Haas' whole race okay.
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That's pretty.
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Checo's right now maybe in the top car fighting with the seventh best team.
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That's a great point.
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And he lost to one.
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And he lost to one.
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Yeah he did.
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Max went ahead and lost the race finished fifth and still beat Checo.
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I just wish.
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It makes me even more angry that Lando DNF'd and he still got points.
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I was hoping Lando still made it enough to make like a ninth tenth like one of those
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to still get something.
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That just drives me nuts that he still got fifth.
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And the car's damage going forward.
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Well for sure.
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The thing that drives me nuts about that incident and I suppose we can move on is the fact that
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something was going on with Max's transmission or something late too.
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They were telling him to stay in seventh or whatever and he just kept trying to push it
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you know what I mean.
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I think that was on the straightaway.
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And then he was trying to like.
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It was on the straightaway.
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They were trying to see if he should go into eighth to gain more speed on it to get a faster
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lap.
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I thought they were straight up telling him not to because there's an issue with it.
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I don't think there was an issue.
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I think they were just trying to conserve.
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The commentator speculated about that.
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I see why you're getting it.
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It's like there was like speculating all the ECU because they're already down to whatever
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it's just a matter of race at this point where he's going to get the penalty.
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They were just trying to conserve.
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I think it was tire strategy.
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His tires definitely did not work in that last stint.
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I mean.
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No he was complaining about him for a hot minute.
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I gotta ask follow up because I honestly just don't know.
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Chaco and Max driving the rest of that to pit and get new tires.
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Is that not similar to what Chaco didn't get a three place grid penalty?
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So I had the exact same thought.
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Yeah.
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What's the difference?
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Because nothing was hanging off of their car.
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I think those tires could have popped off.
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They could have.
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I don't think you can make that argument for Max's situation.
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Well his rim was all messed up.
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It was.
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But like it wasn't like.
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Like the rubber on Landels wheels like whipping around hitting all the carbon fiber and stuff.
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That's the one where I could see it.
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There must be something in the rules for specifically punctures because I've seen multiple times
18:57
where punctures have gotten in.
18:58
I don't know if this is a fact but like I mean there's gotta be something.
19:02
You see it happen I mean not all the time nowadays but you saw it happen all the time
19:06
and Chaco's car was the back of his car was destroyed you know.
19:10
So that's true.
19:11
Yeah.
19:12
And I mean like nobody hit the barrier for anything.
19:14
You're right Joe.
19:15
The Landels.
19:16
Like he was going to the pits.
19:17
His tire was literally spinning.
19:20
So maybe it's also rubber.
19:24
It's obviously not great to have on the track but it's also not like the biggest safety
19:27
concern for them because once you start hitting the carbon fiber and just destroying that.
19:32
You wonder like I know like for example when I used to race four wheelers they used to
19:37
put stuff on the tires and stuff to make it pretty much impossible for them to pop off
19:40
the rim.
19:41
They must have something similar to that in F1 where like it's pretty hard for those tires
19:44
to pop off the rim.
19:46
I would imagine.
19:47
Because Landels the way it was still holding on.
19:48
Like just not only like not only to rip but just like for them to go horizontally off.
19:53
Yeah I don't think.
19:54
Yeah but you also I mean you're talking speeds in excess of a hundred miles per hour.
19:58
Yeah but I mean they also have minions in there.
20:00
They still hang on.
20:01
Yeah.
20:02
No for sure.
20:03
I'm sure they're probably just something.
20:04
It's not like your normal car tire.
20:05
Yeah.
20:06
Yeah.
20:07
It's probably similar like technology behind whatever NASCAR and Indy uses.
20:09
I'm sure it's all just a general like I'm sure it's built into the safety like regulations.
20:14
Yeah.
20:15
I just threw me off.
20:16
I was like maybe Max will get another three.
20:17
You know.
20:18
Yeah that was my initial thought too though.
20:20
Was like what that was my first thought was how are these guys continuing.
20:22
They're still moving quick.
20:24
And two when he's doing it.
20:26
And so okay counterpoints that real quick.
20:28
I agree because it's just tires that's probably why.
20:32
But when Russell made the pass on those two when they're both kind of neck and neck a
20:36
little bit and both their tires are ripping everywhere it's it's not a clean move.
20:40
It's a pretty dirt like it's tough for Russell to have to make that pass at the top speed
20:44
he was like it's a dangerous move.
20:46
And that's the same reason why you don't allow the back wing and stuff like that because
20:50
it's dangerous for the rest of the drivers on the track.
20:52
It was clearly a dangerous track with those two still trying to race each other with no
20:56
frickin tire and Russell's at top speed.
20:59
That's where my that's where my thought behind it is.
21:01
Like there should be some.
21:02
Maybe they'll look at maybe they'll look at that.
21:03
And not for Lando.
21:04
You don't think so?
21:05
But just to Max.
21:08
Not to Lando because he didn't cause wreck but just for Max.
21:14
Well let's go back to McLaren real quick.
21:16
Just recap on Oscar.
21:18
Also a great great day obviously getting getting second place.
21:22
He was fast all day.
21:23
He should have won this race.
21:24
Yeah I was gonna say he's fast all day.
21:26
He qualified P3 and got that track limits which dropped him down to seventh.
21:29
If he qualifies P3 he wins this race.
21:31
Assuming he keeps position like Russell did.
21:33
He was so angry after that.
21:34
And he was moving past Lewis and Carlos.
21:37
And he was catching George.
21:38
He was catching George.
21:39
I think if enough laps he would have caught him I think.
21:43
Well in the moves and the moves he's using you can see his experience just growing each
21:47
race too.
21:48
I mean.
21:49
And his comfortability in that car.
21:50
100%.
21:51
Yeah.
21:52
No 100%.
21:53
So I mean honestly I don't have much to say.
21:55
Elsobal McLaren or Oscar for that matter.
21:58
I mean they're doing everything we think they're gonna do.
22:00
Lando will be right back up there next week.
22:02
Yeah I'll just say one thing Oscar he was not happy for second at the end of that race.
22:07
Which just shows he's hungry.
22:09
He wants his win now.
22:10
So that's great to see man.
22:12
Or is he young and immature right now?
22:13
He got blessed at two.
22:15
I mean are we gonna see battles between Lando and Oscar like.
22:20
McLaren won't allow it.
22:21
McLaren doesn't operate like that.
22:22
They won't allow it like that.
22:23
I agree.
22:24
There's a first driver's seat in McLaren and that is Lando Norris who will always get
22:27
the benefit of the doubt.
22:28
As he should.
22:29
I mean in that difference.
22:30
It's not like you have an Oscar just like job security just doesn't want to push that
22:34
envelope you think.
22:35
No but I think you have to earn it.
22:36
Just like we saw with Danny Rick.
22:38
Just like with Danny Rick and Lando.
22:39
Am I wrong?
22:40
Who did a Lando race with his first year?
22:43
Danny Rick right?
22:44
His first year was Science.
22:45
His first year was Science and then Lando came in to replace Science.
22:48
No no no.
22:50
Danny came in to replace Science.
22:51
Yeah so it was Danny.
22:52
Oh sorry.
22:53
So when it was Danny and Lando it was kind of thought to be like Danny Rick was in one
22:56
seat.
22:58
And then I think towards the progression of how good Lando kept racing towards the end
23:01
of the season.
23:02
The top I think there is right now a top seat.
23:05
But I think if Piastri can really perform great the rest of the season he can get that.
23:10
Like he was saying they're not going to let them fight.
23:12
I don't think he'll ever pass Lando.
23:14
I don't think he's a better driver.
23:15
But McLaren they're not going to let them fight.
23:17
But again if you show that you're the better driver you'll get that top seat.
23:19
You'll get like.
23:20
If he's faster on the day.
23:21
Just like with Danny Rick and Lando.
23:22
That's the comparison I was trying to make is Danny Rick was kind of the one that they
23:25
lifted up the whole first half of the season and then when Lando showed hey I'm here to
23:29
race they started to give you know Lando the top seat type.
23:32
A little bit more leash.
23:33
Yeah yeah yeah.
23:34
No for sure.
23:37
Let's just let's just recap on.
23:41
Well I guess let's let's let's recap on Red Bull really quick since we've already been
23:45
there.
23:46
I mean actually I don't really have anything else to say about Red Bull.
23:48
Now I think about we already touched on Checo.
23:49
Why does he have a seat next year is the only question I have.
23:53
Do they take him out of that seat?
23:54
You can't you just signed him in an extension.
23:55
I know but can you like I don't know how it works.
23:58
Can you release a driver and you're guaranteed to pay them the money type deal.
24:01
I kind of bet that they probably won't keep him for 26 even though he's got the one plus
24:05
one I don't think I'm gonna plus him up.
24:07
No chance.
24:08
I think I mean Red Bull being Red Bull there's gotta be like an opportunity for them to.
24:13
A greater plan maybe.
24:14
I don't think there's a greater plan.
24:15
I think they're just licking the runes at the moment.
24:19
I think I think there's a possibility though that Checo could be replaced at some point
24:23
next season.
24:24
Absolutely.
24:25
Like mid season do you think Checo completes next season?
24:28
It completes it in a V-Carb or a Red Bull.
24:31
Yeah I could see him maybe getting swapped out.
24:33
Maybe a driver swap.
24:34
I could also see him just getting like straight up booted you know.
24:37
So in response like the whole Verstappen thing there was Toto was saying I think like I will
24:46
have a Verstappen in my car and you guys see a Christian Horner responding he goes if you
24:50
want a Verstappen in your car you can call Jos which is Verstappen's father.
24:55
Dude they hate each other.
24:57
Horner and Jos hate each other.
25:00
It's like a public hate too.
25:02
Yeah they really hate each other.
25:03
It was all over the news again like every week there's something going on between those
25:07
two but let's talk about that third driver Carlos Sainz and Ferrari as a whole obviously
25:13
Leclerc getting we'll talk about Leclerc quick first because that's an easy one.
25:18
Just getting the short end of the stick there at the beginning of the race and honestly
25:20
never really recovered.
25:22
He still though almost made it back into points coming back from as far south as I think 19th
25:28
or did he even run 20th for a second.
25:30
I think he started off in 20th because he started pit first.
25:34
No he got damaged and then he had to pit.
25:37
Oh well the wing.
25:38
He pitted after the first lap and then Sargent didn't pit till the second lap I think or
25:41
something like that.
25:42
So I think he was 20th for like five seconds.
25:45
No because there's twice on the track I think where he passed Sargent.
25:50
Pretty quickly.
25:51
Either way he still battled his way back to an 11th place finish obviously it's not going
25:57
to do anything in the points but it's still another great showing of skill.
26:03
He was driving.
26:04
Oh for sure.
26:05
It's tough where he had a fight from but I don't know I think it kind of just shows Ferrari's
26:11
not gone.
26:12
100%.
26:13
They're still there to fight they're still there to fight for maybe even a podium or
26:17
top four.
26:18
Because even if you still had Max and Lando up there I mean you still got fifth place
26:21
with Carlos.
26:23
I mean considering the past few weeks with Ferrari.
26:26
Nobody in red can be happy about that.
26:28
Well they're not of course they want more because of obviously who they are their history
26:32
all that jazz and their pride they take great pride in what they do but it's still better
26:36
than last week wasn't it?
26:39
I don't think they're as far away as a lot of people might have thought because of how
26:42
their last couple weeks went.
26:44
You know?
26:45
Do you think they even battle McLaren right now?
26:47
No.
26:48
Do you think they can even keep up with McLaren?
26:49
They're not even fighting Mercedes.
26:50
Mercedes are getting past them pretty easily.
26:52
That's what I mean Mercedes seems like they can fight McLaren obviously they got the win
26:56
but under circumstances but.
26:58
I don't know if Mercedes could battle McLaren at this point I think the only it's not even
27:02
a team that can battle McLaren.
27:03
Is this Red Bull or McLaren?
27:04
No it's not even Red Bull it's just Max.
27:05
Is Max versus McLaren?
27:06
And I don't even think it's.
27:07
It's not a Checo.
27:08
I don't even think it's McLaren.
27:09
No doubt.
27:10
I don't even think it's McLaren right now I think it's just Lando and Max who wants
27:13
to win the race.
27:14
True.
27:15
It's not it's not because honestly if Lando's in 20th I think there's not a lot of races
27:19
Oscar finishes first.
27:21
Sure.
27:22
I would agree.
27:23
Joel you got anything for where Ferrari's at right now at this point in the season?
27:27
Just I just hate that point you guys made.
27:29
You're right though I haven't it's something that I really haven't thought a lot about
27:33
Ferrari is kind of dropping behind a little bit you still think of them as like like you
27:38
know the team to fight McLaren and maybe Red Bull but you're right the last few races besides
27:43
Monaco which is kind of a fixed race a little bit for qualifying.
27:48
Yeah they haven't looked amazing like Carlos he was in fifth and then the top two got knocked
27:54
out and then he got that podium so yeah maybe they're maybe they're fighting Mercedes more.
28:00
We got some other bottom teams that are making more of a show of themselves as well.
28:04
Yeah I don't know it's it's weird.
28:06
I'd like to think they maybe make a comeback.
28:07
I can't remember what they did last season if they did much of that.
28:10
I know Mercedes made a huge comeback but I don't know if Ferrari lasted through as much
28:15
as them.
28:16
Oh no they started off hot like like this year.
28:18
Started off hot and then they had reliability this year.
28:21
I think they were average.
28:22
Well it wasn't that like their engines were failing but like Mercedes and McLaren had
28:25
jumped ahead of them at like the mid the right after the midway point.
28:29
And they were just average at the end of the year kind of like this right now.
28:31
I mean they were still like handily beating the Astins and everybody below them but they
28:36
were like they weren't fighting the top three.
28:39
So with with Ferrari let's let's head right back into Haas actually.
28:45
That was a pretty good showing from Haas.
28:47
Awesome.
28:48
I mean best all-around team showing from Haas I think we've seen in a minute.
28:53
Not only the drivers but just the team as as a whole seemed to have a decent strategy
28:57
on on the weekend.
28:59
You using the cappy over there?
29:05
But I mean a great showing from Nico finishing sixth.
29:07
K-Meg obviously an eighth.
29:10
Are we looking for anything better from Nico at this point?
29:14
I mean that's that's about as high as you can expect in a Haas car.
29:17
But I like if you're kick-sober are you hoping for anything more so you feel better?
29:22
I mean I already feel pretty good if I'm them about landing Nico for the next what two years
29:26
right I believe.
29:28
Link Hulks and kick-sobber Audi for the next two years.
29:31
Yeah.
29:32
He's going over he's going over next year and then he he he stays with the team for
29:36
their conversion.
29:37
First year.
29:38
Yeah.
29:39
Yeah.
29:40
I think man I think Haas is just you know good good races and bad races right.
29:45
I think they're going where I think we're still we're gonna see them in top 10 at least
29:48
a few more times.
29:49
I just don't think it's gonna be all the time.
29:51
I think it's just you know if the track suits them let's see them up there.
29:54
I definitely think they're not the worst team on the grid it's just you know sometimes I
29:59
have issues with you know the the pit team or you know maybe K-Mag is um.
30:04
K-Mag and it up?
30:05
Deciding to be yeah exactly.
30:06
They decide to play bumper cars with the rest of the grid but yeah I don't know I think
30:10
Haas is definitely not not someone to count out.
30:12
I think they got a decent amount of points right now so.
30:14
Yeah.
30:15
Yeah they're they jumped up they just passed Alpine this last race I think with their points
30:19
to seventh.
30:20
Yeah they were one point behind and now they they're they hopped up.
30:23
They're nine up right.
30:24
They got ten up.
30:25
And Alpine's not racing that bad as a whole.
30:27
So like that's.
30:29
Especially 910.
30:30
That could be another you know battle.
30:31
A big jump for sure and I mean honestly it's I think it's an amazing race out of them six
30:35
and eight.
30:36
Um the fact that Chaco can't beat a Haas and he's sandwiched between two Haas's it's gross.
30:43
Oh actually with Haas I will I will say there was a moment when Max passed the two Haas's
30:48
and then he was complaining about them being so close because they wouldn't they wouldn't
30:52
fall behind them.
30:53
So he kept complaining to GP and GP's like it's fine they're not going to do anything
30:56
just drive the car.
30:57
He's like I'm not worried about them I'm worried about Lando.
31:00
They're gonna get yeah so they were they were sticking to the back of Max a little bit.
31:04
Yeah like I said I just feel like you know good races bad races but you know.
31:07
But I mean they're they're another one that's trending up.
31:10
I mean like Alpine they're both kind of starting to climb almost consistently in that you know
31:15
seven to ten spot.
31:17
And I think kind of throughout the whole year at least Nico has been fighting within top
31:22
twelve.
31:23
Oh for sure.
31:24
Almost every race.
31:25
I mean I wouldn't say like they're on a climb right now I just think it was just a good
31:29
race put together for them.
31:30
I think they're always gonna be fighting for nine ten.
31:32
I'm saying in comparison to like beginning of the season for sure they were dead in the
31:36
water and just seasons.
31:38
Not really I mean they got a point the first season.
31:40
No that's right.
31:41
Haas started out hot.
31:42
Nico got an infinite ten right.
31:43
I think they climbed to six right off the jump.
31:46
I do remember I do believe their first season was pretty good and then they just.
31:50
First race first race.
31:51
First race of this season?
31:52
Yeah first race of this season.
31:53
First race of this season I think they were hot off the bat.
31:55
I'm just saying I guess more or less in comparison into what we're used to from Haas the last
32:00
couple of years.
32:01
You're point to see how butchered they are.
32:02
They did get butchered.
32:03
We see Haas.
32:04
We're just not used to the consistency from Haas.
32:08
We see Haas do well really like they do pretty well right off the bat and then they start
32:12
falling behind a little bit and then they just kind of like I said they just kind of
32:15
grab points where they can.
32:16
So do you think this is anything does this hurt Gunther how good they're doing this year?
32:22
I don't think anybody's really talking about Gunther anymore.
32:25
No but there's something to be said about that.
32:27
Yeah I mean like majority of the fans especially like America and stuff are driving to survive
32:32
fans they love Gunther.
32:33
We're all going to love him.
32:34
I just feel like as far as a principle.
32:36
Well I don't think he's I don't know if he'll get another shot.
32:39
Not a principle no shot.
32:41
So I think that would be the answer there I mean I don't think it changes the view on
32:46
Gunther I think everybody still loves him but for his personality.
32:50
Or did Gunther set up this year's team to be as it is right now right?
32:56
Because I feel like a Haas I mean.
32:57
He's been setting up for a minute then.
32:59
Right yeah you're right that he can only do so much but I feel like the Haas at some point
33:03
in like the seasons they stop developing their own car and they just get ready for next year
33:08
because.
33:09
So Gunther actually had an interview about that and he said about halfway through the
33:11
years when you really start putting the effort into next year's car.
33:16
So you mean you could make an argument that it is partially Gunther I mean.
33:20
I imagine like I imagine with their resources kind of got to focus like one or the other
33:25
a little bit or else they're just going to be screwed both seasons.
33:30
He was responsible for getting Nico and K-Mag so.
33:32
Yeah you know.
33:33
True.
33:34
Hey Haas is Gunther's design man.
33:35
It is it is and I mean if they stay in seventh like they're set up for next year and the
33:41
year after pretty good for them.
33:42
That'd be a great finish for Haas.
33:43
It'd be their highest ever.
33:44
Really good finish.
33:45
No tied for the highest ever.
33:46
Tied.
33:47
Tied.
33:48
We just got to see next year if they start you know throttling themselves a ton then we
33:51
know for a fact it was all Gunther.
33:53
Yeah well we got to see who's even in the cars next year they don't have any committed
33:56
drivers.
33:57
It's very true.
33:58
Yeah they don't.
33:59
That's right because yeah Nico's gone obviously and K-Mag's not.
34:02
You can put Bearman in one of the seats.
34:03
Bearman's going to get one.
34:04
Yeah Bearman will get one.
34:06
He just won the sprint race.
34:07
Let's go Carlos.
34:08
We can.
34:09
No Carlos is going to Williams.
34:12
But we'll get to that later.
34:13
Yeah yeah yeah.
34:14
Let's just touch real quick on the V-Carbs Danny Rick obviously in points again.
34:20
Continuing to grab a couple points here and there while his counterpart Yuki seems to
34:24
be struggling as of late.
34:26
They seem to have kind of swapped roles now all of a sudden.
34:29
Danny Rick's getting slightly more consistent between that 7 and 10 spot and Yuki now has
34:35
kind of fallen out of the point.
34:36
Here he's coming.
34:37
I told you back half of the year he's coming.
34:39
He's fighting for a seat next year somewhere.
34:42
He's racing great.
34:43
He's racing great this weekend.
34:44
He did.
34:45
Yeah and he's placing above Yuki I think the last three races right?
34:49
That sounds right.
34:50
I mean they've literally kind of swapped roles a little bit.
34:52
He's stepping up a little bit.
34:53
I don't know if it's going to save him but he's trying.
34:56
He's only eight points back from him on the year from the drivers.
34:59
Not bad.
35:00
Oh wow.
35:01
Let's just move right into the Alpines battling each other again at some point on the track
35:06
bumping tires, bumping uglies.
35:09
They just can't deal with each other.
35:12
You can't pull Okon out of that car dude.
35:14
They are a fun team to watch man.
35:17
They were bringing all the excitement the first quarter of this race dude.
35:20
I was just like these guys are idiots.
35:22
Literally.
35:23
I mean Gasly's sending it.
35:25
Okon's doing everything he can to wreck the car and it's just not happening.
35:29
The team principal is just being aggressive though.
35:31
I mean he's making moves.
35:32
He is making moves.
35:33
The team principal just has to be just puckering the whole race.
35:36
Pucker.
35:37
The whole race.
35:38
Wait are they doing this?
35:39
Didn't Alonso jump on the mic or something and laugh?
35:43
They like touched each other right in front of him and he's like wow.
35:48
As they were both getting past him.
35:51
Seeing the Alpine Spider is so funny.
35:53
Speaking of Alonso, obviously struggling a little bit as well as his counterpart Stroll
36:00
fresh off his new deal.
36:01
They're just done right?
36:04
I kind of think so.
36:07
I'm not sure they're coming back from this.
36:10
They're fighting, I think they're trying to fight Haas and Racing Bull.
36:14
They're just trying to maintain their spot right now.
36:16
Haas, Racing Bull and Alpine, they're just trying to maintain fifth.
36:20
I think that's where they're at right now.
36:22
Yeah.
36:23
Which, it's not horrible but you promised this a world championship in what 4 or 5 years
36:28
or something?
36:29
What did Papa Bear say?
36:31
Papa Stroll?
36:32
Oh that's true.
36:33
He did say something like that didn't he?
36:34
He said like 4 or 5 years.
36:35
Papa Stroll.
36:36
He said everything he needed to say to make them shareholders happy.
36:39
He's a shareholder though.
36:40
You gotta start by convincing yourself.
36:45
I promise you right now, hidden camera of flying his wall, he is not happy dude.
36:56
How those talks, self talks in the mirror change over the course of being the main money
37:03
man.
37:04
Does he have another son or is his last hope Stroll?
37:07
He has another son?
37:10
Kev with that, let's roll into the news to talk about his current son.
37:21
And right back into the news, let's start off with Stroll's re-signing.
37:28
Papa Stroll's current son.
37:31
Why man?
37:32
Other than the fact that Papa Stroll's in charge.
37:35
This is the most sure thing in Formula 1 there is in terms of a seat.
37:38
Talk about job security bro.
37:41
No performance review, nothing.
37:43
You're just, hey guess what buddy you gotta raise and a 2 year deal.
37:47
Or 3.
37:48
Isn't it like, it's way too long.
37:50
We just pulled up a photo of the daughter.
37:53
A lot more people would pay and be happy to see her in a racing car.
37:56
Oh boy.
37:58
Oh man, moving on from that, nothing else to say about Stroll.
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Gastly getting a multi-year extension with Alpine.
38:08
I think that's been well deserved.
38:10
Especially as of late, seems to be trending upwards as well.
38:14
And with Ocon leaving for sure.
38:19
Alpine locks down a mid-tier driver for long term.
38:22
Yeah, I think I was maybe just a little surprised that they got him to stay even.
38:30
But Alpine's definitely looking better.
38:32
You think Gastly probably wanted to dip out?
38:34
I thought there were talks that, I mean the first part of the season was dismal.
38:38
I would imagine he probably didn't want to be there a whole lot.
38:41
But it's good that they got him.
38:42
They got someone who knows how to drive the car.
38:44
Who knows just how to drive a car at least decently well like you said.
38:49
Now they just got to fill the other seat with someone who isn't Ocon.
38:54
And who's that rumor right now?
38:56
I mean I keep thinking it's probably going to be Jack Doohan, their reserve driver.
39:01
It has to be right?
39:02
I want to see their reserve drivers in the seat.
39:04
Who else is even on the table for him?
39:06
Science?
39:07
I don't think so.
39:09
Mick could probably be on the table for them maybe.
39:11
Who?
39:12
Mick?
39:13
Alpine?
39:14
You just love yourself some Mick Schumacher bro.
39:15
What?
39:16
I just want him on the grill.
39:17
He's going to get another shot.
39:18
I mean he will.
39:19
I think right now Williams is either going to be...
39:25
We're talking about Alpines.
39:26
Yeah I'm thinking Williams right now is Doohan or Williams.
39:31
Williams bro.
39:32
We're talking about Alpine.
39:33
Doohan is the reserve driver for Alpine.
39:34
Yeah so Doohan and Lawson.
39:35
Lawson is going to find a seat next year I think.
39:38
Oh you just mean like reserve drivers in general?
39:40
Yeah reserve drivers.
39:41
I mean Lawson didn't really get that long of a shot right?
39:45
I think Lawson is in a V-Carb.
39:46
Lawson is in a V-Carb yes.
39:47
I hope so.
39:48
I think the reason why I say Mick possibly is because the exact same happened with Ocon.
39:52
He was the reserve driver from Reklaren and Toto got him into the seat of the Alpine which
39:58
I think was probably Renault at the time.
40:00
So Toto could do the same thing maybe.
40:03
I still think they're probably going to choose Doohan over him though.
40:05
I would like to see Mick back on the grid.
40:08
I think he deserves another chance.
40:10
Just to show us that it wasn't the Haas and that he really isn't his father.
40:14
Let me throw something at you.
40:17
So Mercedes doesn't want to get rid of Mick.
40:20
Keep him as a reserve driver.
40:21
They put Kimmy in that seat next year knowing they can have Mick step in if need be.
40:25
I don't think Mercedes lets Mick walk out the door.
40:27
There's no security for me.
40:29
I don't think Mercedes lets Mick walk out the door.
40:31
Hey Mercedes makes a contract saying hey LP and you get Mick but if we need him we pull
40:36
him and then you get Kimmy.
40:39
I mean I just think is it Nicky or Kimmy?
40:41
I keep saying Kimmy.
40:42
It is Kimmy.
40:43
Okay.
40:44
Yeah I just think Mercedes has a lot of pull with whatever they want to do.
40:46
They have something going on with Alpine.
40:49
They have some kind of deal with them.
40:52
I don't know why but yeah.
40:56
That's kind of my thought in terms of who places Ocon.
41:00
It's going to be Doohan or maybe Mick.
41:02
I don't know.
41:03
Is there anyone else that's slotted in?
41:04
You don't think it's Danny Rick at all?
41:06
Danny Rick for Alpine?
41:08
I think if he finds a spot it's either going to be with Alpine or Racing Bowl.
41:11
I don't think Alpine's going to want somebody newer.
41:14
I guess Halsey.
41:17
Yeah I don't know if they want it because they've.
41:20
Does Danny Rick stay on the grid next year?
41:22
There's a chance he doesn't.
41:23
Do you think Renault would want to take Rick back because that used to be Renault and Danny
41:27
Rick hung him out to dry after his contract.
41:30
He left him.
41:31
It wasn't a good deal.
41:32
It was not.
41:33
It's a different principle.
41:34
It's a different everything now.
41:35
I don't think that has any.
41:36
You would hope not.
41:37
I don't know if he would want to go back though.
41:38
I don't know.
41:39
I mean Danny Rick is just such a.
41:43
It's such an unknown right now.
41:45
Where his future lies because he's not getting back into the Red Bull seat.
41:48
So it makes it more challenging than just getting points.
41:50
The same thing you said about Mick I think is the same thing I could say about Red Bull.
41:54
I think Danny Rick is still a face on the grid that Red Bull wants.
41:57
I just don't know if they can place him in the V.C.
41:59
Just for PR?
42:00
Yeah.
42:01
I just don't know what that means.
42:02
Like where he would go.
42:03
Hey that's the thing.
42:04
I mean maybe the reserve driver role again just so they have him in the building in case
42:08
anything happens with Perez.
42:09
I don't think he's going to love that.
42:10
But I don't know.
42:11
I mean Alpine to me is.
42:13
He could stay in that.
42:14
It's kind of it's not the biggest question mark.
42:16
But like they're consistently top of the midfield if you exclude Aston from that the last couple
42:21
of years.
42:22
I mean even include Aston right now with how they're performing.
42:24
Right.
42:25
Yeah.
42:26
So it's just it's you'd think it would be much more of a coveted seat than it like is
42:29
coming out to be.
42:30
Like I don't think it's a bad idea if science goes there.
42:33
To Alpine?
42:34
Yeah.
42:35
I think that would be good for science.
42:36
I would agree.
42:37
I think right now we just look at it like that because of how they're performing right
42:39
now.
42:40
I mean other than Mercedes it might be his best option either there either Mercedes or
42:45
Williams or Alpine.
42:47
Is Williams or Alpine a better spot right now?
42:49
I'm going Alpine.
42:50
Consistently Alpine has been above Williams.
42:52
I mean you look at the last five years.
42:55
And then it's Albion literally right behind them pretty much.
42:57
But yeah I mean they have been consistently better outperforming the will outperforming
43:01
Albion all season.
43:03
But then you look at the Alpine this year even right.
43:06
As soon as I got that car underweight they've been consistently in the top 12.
43:09
The car was too heavy.
43:10
You can't.
43:11
The difference in like the kilos because it's not America is like even 10 kilos is so much.
43:18
Now Graham I don't think it was that high.
43:19
I don't think you could get away with that.
43:21
But that's so much even four or five.
43:23
That's so much weight when you're talking tenths of seconds that matter.
43:27
Yep.
43:28
And I think they say every kilo is like a tenth or something like that.
43:30
So.
43:31
At one point I think I heard they were 11 kilos overweight.
43:33
Yeah they were very overweight.
43:35
Yeah I think you're right.
43:36
I think over the years Alpine has been consistently better and so it probably would be the best
43:40
choice.
43:41
I just all this talk about him going to Williams what is there for him at Williams long term.
43:47
The promise of it's going to be a good team one day like they give Albond.
43:51
So that's that's where my next point.
43:52
We're talking about you talking for Carlos.
43:54
So that's where that's where my next point was kind of going to tie into as far as like
43:57
all these drivers they always talk about.
43:59
I think Albond turned on Mercedes because they didn't like the way Mercedes looked in
44:03
their plan for the future.
44:04
How much do you really think they get to see on the plan for where they're going to go
44:07
with that car.
44:08
Like there's no way they're making a decision based on that right.
44:11
Well and it's projections right.
44:12
Like you're projecting this off of like there's nothing guaranteed.
44:15
Yeah yeah and what I like I just wish you know hold on Lando coming in right now.
44:22
Now I wish we had somebody that could tell us what was going on like how much you really
44:26
find out.
44:27
I don't understand that one.
44:28
You're saying like Lando is going to walk into the pod right now.
44:32
Like little all us yeah yeah yeah.
44:34
But no like how much.
44:35
Good one.
44:36
How much do these drivers really know about like the car and like you know because I feel
44:42
like it's a lot of deciding factors are always like oh I'm not liking the way that car looks
44:46
I'm really liking the way this car looks but how much data or how much are they really
44:50
going to give a driver that they're not signed up to yet.
44:53
Well there's that part too right.
44:55
That's crazy because you look at Lewis leaving Mercedes.
44:57
He didn't like what he was seeing in the 2026.
45:01
That's the same reason that Albon didn't like Mercedes either.
45:04
But so like how much could they really know.
45:07
No way they're just giving that information out there.
45:08
Especially if you're an Albon right.
45:10
Like you think that the Williams has a chance in hell of performing at the level of a Mercedes.
45:15
Like are you kidding me.
45:17
Unless Williams just threw that much more money at him or is Mercedes just not offering
45:22
to willing to offer him a long term contract because of Kimi.
45:25
Or that or that.
45:27
I think it's the latter.
45:28
I don't see a world where Albon would stay in Williams.
45:31
I mean like you're building a legacy but you're building it in a team that has a good legacy
45:37
but has an awful car as of the last decade right.
45:40
So I don't I just don't know.
45:42
It's a weird decision.
45:43
Two decades.
45:44
Two decades probably.
45:45
Two decades.
45:46
Yep.
45:47
I don't know I just.
45:48
Closing thoughts on the seats.
45:52
Yeah I think the only thing I'll say is science came out.
45:56
His manager came out and said that he is completely comfortable he's completely calm and he's
46:01
ready to make his decision.
46:02
I forget when they said he's ready to make his decision but like he has basically his
46:05
decision made and he's not stressing about the seat at all.
46:08
It's just us I guess stressing about where he's going to be next year.
46:11
So they were.
46:12
Shout out to Kev on this one.
46:13
There was actually a Netflix crew at Austria this weekend because they thought that they
46:18
were going to hold a press conference with science actually going to Williams.
46:22
Really.
46:23
And it never came to fruition.
46:24
Still there was a Netflix crew for obviously for you know Drive to Survive like in separate
46:28
on crew just for that.
46:29
Are you seeing it Williams?
46:30
Like what is.
46:31
Yeah I don't know.
46:34
I think but it's so put yourself inside like I think that Alpine is a better car than Williams
46:40
but out of everybody that's left left I'm going Williams.
46:43
No that's not I mean.
46:44
No you just said Alpine before.
46:45
No no no.
46:46
Take Alpine out of it.
46:47
I'm saying like all the ones that are left it's like it's Hosser Williams.
46:50
Other than Alpine it'd be Hosser Williams.
46:52
It's Hosser Williams.
46:53
Yeah.
46:54
And I'm still not going to happen.
46:55
Mercedes I'm taking it completely out of the equation.
46:56
Obviously I think we all agree that Mercedes would be the best spot for Carlos.
46:59
Mercedes is the most coveted spot that's open right now.
47:01
Other than that.
47:02
And then like the same thing like on that point I think Racing Bowl their principal whatever
47:09
came out and said we have plenty of time we're not going to rush your decision like we're
47:13
good we have time to decide this one.
47:14
So I just think I think we're not going to find out a lot of this stuff for a couple
47:18
of weeks.
47:19
They have time because all of their options are already in the team.
47:21
They don't have to make that decision right.
47:23
They're just pulling whoever they need to.
47:25
For Racing Bowl it's going to be Danny Rick or Liam Lawson.
47:29
Yeah I don't think there's any way either one of those two are not in that seat next
47:32
year.
47:33
I agree.
47:34
I agree.
47:35
Unless if Danny Rick goes to Alpine and Liam Lawson goes to Hoss.
47:38
Are you saying Yuki's definitely staying in the car?
47:40
Well he already signed the extension brother.
47:41
Oh he did.
47:42
Okay that's what I was going to ask.
47:43
I couldn't remember if he already signed the extension or not.
47:44
Yeah yeah yeah.
47:45
Yuki's locked in.
47:46
So Yuki's locked in.
47:47
Yeah man.
47:48
Like Helmut even talked about Liam Lawson.
47:50
He did.
47:51
He did.
47:52
He definitely did.
47:53
Yeah man.
47:54
Helmut says all the things all the time.
47:55
Sometimes a little bit on the racey side even.
47:58
Yeah yeah.
47:59
Maybe he talks too much sometimes.
48:02
I could definitely see a world Danny stays though.
48:05
You know.
48:06
Like if he keeps performing.
48:08
I could too.
48:09
If Danny Rick keeps putting in top 7s and Yuki drops off what choice do you have with
48:14
Vcarb to keep Danny Rick or does that just drive his price up for another team?
48:19
I would love to see Danny Rick in an Open again.
48:21
I really would.
48:22
I'm just like to see him on the grid next year.
48:24
Well yeah.
48:25
I think we all would.
48:26
Haas or an Alpine.
48:27
If I could see with Haas having two seats open man.
48:29
Haas would be cool.
48:30
It would be such a good first.
48:31
And if they're going to bring in Bearman that's a mill.
48:33
That's probably only like a mill.
48:35
So you could probably pay Danny his.
48:37
He's at like 8 right now I think.
48:39
What if you offer Danny 7?
48:41
You know.
48:42
I think that's the only thing withholding Danny Rick from being a Haas and Rick partnership
48:45
is how much can they pay him.
48:47
You know how crazy I would blow things up here.
48:51
You have the ability to pay.
48:53
Especially if you finish 7.
48:54
To pay a veteran driver.
48:55
Yeah.
48:56
Going back to something that I thought of earlier.
48:58
Red Bull might have like a contract outside of F1 seats that he's still attached to as
49:03
well.
49:04
Danny Rick?
49:05
Yeah.
49:06
There has to be an out in that though for him to take.
49:07
I'm sure there probably is but like I would imagine he's a part of that family.
49:10
Like I mean before.
49:11
He for sure probably is.
49:12
They immediately put him into the reserve driver spot and then immediately put him into
49:17
DeVries spot when he was not performing and then unfortunately.
49:20
Well him and Horner.
49:21
Him and Hartner.
49:22
Him and Horner.
49:23
That's the thing.
49:24
Yeah.
49:25
You know.
49:26
So maybe I mean hey and maybe that pays more than an F1 contract you know.
49:29
Just being associated with Red Bull.
49:31
For sure.
49:32
But with that let's leave the seats because honestly we have no idea.
49:37
And we're going to head right into the British Grand Prix preview.
49:48
Joe give us our last year recap.
49:54
Yeah.
49:55
Good ol' Silverstone.
49:57
I love this track.
49:58
I like watching this track.
49:59
I love racing this track on the game as well.
50:01
This is a fun track to race.
50:02
It is one of my favorite tracks.
50:03
I agree with that.
50:04
So yeah.
50:05
This year the Formula One Qatar Airways British Grand Prix 2024.
50:09
Some fun facts as usual.
50:11
Silverstone was the first Grand Prix hosting the inaugural F1 World Championship round in
50:16
1950.
50:17
So this is the very first one.
50:20
The most wins here is Lewis with 8 and we have an 89% chance of a safety car.
50:24
So that could you know mess things up a little bit.
50:28
Getting into last year the starting grid was Max, Lando and then Oscar.
50:31
We saw Lando putting on for his home race getting a very quick start off of the line
50:35
and immediately takes first position for Max while Oscar starts fighting Max for second
50:39
right behind them.
50:42
Behind them about two behind them two other Brits in the Mercedes fair a little bit differently.
50:46
Russell gained one position for fifth and Hamilton lost a couple dropping down the grid.
50:51
On that five Max's Red Bull dominance takes a lead back from Lando.
50:55
Hamilton begins to make his positions back as he surpasses Alonso on lap seven.
51:00
On lap 31 we see Russell overtake Charles Leclerc after a pit stop window for eighth
51:04
place netting himself third.
51:06
On lap 33 the Haas of KMAG begins to billow smoke until it rose to a stop and produces
51:11
a campfire on the side of the track.
51:12
Lewis brings out the safety car initiating pit stops for the top four who haven't pit
51:16
yet.
51:17
Hamilton gets actually gets pretty lucky by this for the safety car.
51:20
He pitting ends him up in third place.
51:23
Lando opted for the hards in the final stint.
51:25
He started fighting Lewis behind him on the softs.
51:27
On lap 39 he did actually concede second place I believe.
51:30
Oh no he actually didn't.
51:32
Lando held off Hamilton for the rest of the race.
51:34
I just had put that in because I thought it was gonna happen but Lando Lando kept that.
51:38
We saw a couple more fights for the points namely Perez making his way from 15th to 6th
51:43
and the Ferraris battling for the last two point position.
51:46
So our final Verstappen did eventually get past Norris I think a few laps after the first
51:50
one.
51:51
So it was Verstappen, Norris, Hamilton, Piastri and then Russell.
51:54
This is Max's first win at Silverstone and Red Bull's first win since 2012.
51:59
We saw two Brits on the podium.
52:01
This was Oscar's best finish in F1 at this point.
52:04
The Ferraris looked slightly out of form last year.
52:06
Both cars were definitely affected by the pit stop strategy however.
52:10
And then in terms of DNFing both Alpines out I believe.
52:13
I think O'Conn may have had a collision and then had to retire and I think Gassley was
52:17
out right from the jump and then K-Mag with that fire.
52:21
Other way around.
52:22
Yeah O'Conn went out after he got 9 laps completed.
52:24
Gassley actually got 46 of the 52 laps completed.
52:26
Gotcha.
52:27
Alright and then he got a little bit of damage.
52:28
Yeah so that was last year Silverstone.
52:31
I feel I don't feel great about predictions actually.
52:34
I'm not doing too hot on them.
52:35
This is a weird one and this is a weird one too.
52:38
I feel good about one person.
52:40
One person.
52:41
Otherwise it's a little up in the air.
52:42
I feel good about two.
52:43
Okay.
52:44
But I'm kicking us off to give us a recap of where we're at.
52:49
Who could have predicted Russell Oscar Scions last week?
52:53
But Cole actually happened to get three points because he did predict Russell or four points
52:57
because he predicted...
52:58
Did we just cut it that?
53:04
I'm dumb.
53:06
You got three points.
53:12
Yeah.
53:13
Alright well I'll start us off this week but to recap last week who could have predicted
53:16
Russell Oscar and Scions on the podium?
53:19
You very well could have predicted Logan finishing last as Cole did.
53:23
Cole also had Russell on that podium.
53:25
So he got three points last week bringing him to 21.
53:28
I got one point last week at 22.
53:31
Smeltsy got one point last week at 19.
53:34
And Joe did not get any points last week unfortunately so he is still bringing in the rear at 17.
53:38
I cannot believe I said K-MAC for last.
53:40
That was so stupid.
53:41
That was dumb.
53:42
I said it and then two of you guys were like you know I was thinking that too.
53:45
I was thinking maybe K-MAC.
53:46
And I was like alright I might have it.
53:47
I think I did finish eighth.
53:48
I think I did finish eighth in the race.
53:49
Oh eighth in the race?
53:50
Yeah.
53:51
Man what a bad call.
53:52
So we all know nothing.
53:53
Yeah.
53:54
But I'll kick us off this week.
53:55
As you said Joe it's a self wonder predict right now.
53:57
There's so many people that could be there with how well the cars are performing.
54:01
I got Verstappen, Lando, Piastri and for the bonus point this week we are going.
54:06
Two points.
54:07
Are we doing two points for bonus?
54:09
Yeah the bonus question or the bonus one this week which is worth two points.
54:13
I also just messed up my podium so I'm going to have to redo that but we'll get into the
54:17
bonus points.
54:19
That is for eighth place this week.
54:21
So that's a little bit random.
54:23
But to redo my podium that is actually correct.
54:25
I got Verstappen, Lando, and George on the podium this week and I think Checo is going
54:30
to take that eighth place spot.
54:34
I'm up next here obviously in second.
54:36
Who would have thunk huh at this point of the year?
54:41
So I have Verstappen, Lando, and I'm going to go Piastri.
54:47
And then I had the same four as Tyler and I don't want to have the same four because
54:52
I got to beat him.
54:54
So you're a Red Bull hater you could go Checo.
54:56
I know that's why I wanted to but I'm actually going to sprinkle in a little science.
55:04
Sprinkling a little science.
55:05
Braith?
55:06
Braith.
55:07
I mean.
55:08
Smelt to your own next trick.
55:11
Max Lando and Lewis.
55:15
Lewis owns this track.
55:16
I think he's absolutely on the podium.
55:18
That was it between me.
55:19
It was Lewis and George.
55:20
And I mean George is a great pick too especially with how well he's doing but like Lewis's
55:25
history here I just think he's pumped.
55:27
He's racing well.
55:29
At some point we should do who's going to win the freaking race when it's not Max so
55:33
much.
55:34
I 100% agree.
55:35
But yeah bonus points for me for eighth place that's Pierre Gasly.
55:40
Interesting.
55:45
The only I'm certain on eighth place I'm going to go with Checo.
55:50
So I got a question before I give my prediction.
55:52
I know one of the people that I want on there do you guys think I should be going safe or
55:55
should I be going risky?
55:56
You're in last.
55:57
Risk it up bud.
55:58
You need all the points you can.
55:59
But if you're wrong then you just keep getting that far ahead.
56:02
You know what?
56:03
You live life.
56:04
I enjoy the races you know.
56:05
Alright I'm going to go risky then.
56:08
I'm going to say Lando, Oscar and George on the podium.
56:13
A maxless podium.
56:15
I did think about it though.
56:16
I'm doing it.
56:17
But I just like not two weeks in a row.
56:18
I almost did all three Brits.
56:19
I want to do Lando, Lewis and George but I think Oscar looked crazy good on the track
56:24
last year.
56:25
I think he's going to perform well here.
56:27
So I need to get him up there.
56:28
And then Lando.
56:29
I'm rooting for Lando to win the race.
56:31
So even if Max wins it's whatever.
56:33
But I think Lando has a really good shot at this.
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He's good at this race.
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And it's his home track.
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He loves it.
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I thought you were going to do Lando if he asked you for a step in.
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I thought you were going to say I'm going crazy this week.
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We should do one week where if you guess the podium right it's like point for per podium
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too.
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I 100% agree.
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For the bonus question.
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For sure.
56:54
Oh.
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An extra point per podium placement.
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I'm down for that.
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But that's off camera.
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Little mid-season bonus.
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Mid-sena.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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With that, any parting thoughts on Silverstone?
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Fun track to watch.
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Excited for it.
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It's this upcoming weekend.
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The last of the triple had a 75% chance of rain.
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Really?
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No, I'm just kidding.
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No, I'm just kidding.
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Oh boy.
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Let me change my point.
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I have no idea what the weather's going to be.
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But it can be wet there sometimes.
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That makes that Lewis and George decision a lot easier.
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Yeah, for sure.
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With that, Joe are you looking up the weather really quick?
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Yeah, 100%.
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What's it look like?
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Real quick.
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Real quick.
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Before we wrap.
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We might as well.
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Like you said earlier we have no internet down here.
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We have no internet down here.
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Okay.
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There it is.
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Friday it is going to be raining.
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Saturday it looks to be clear.
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No, we should be good.
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No inclement weather.
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Famous last words.
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We should be good.
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Hey, that could change.
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That Friday rain could move up.
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You never know.
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I think that's how weather works.
58:02
Guys, nevermind.
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58:05
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