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Exploring Marvel's Jonathan Majors' Kang Re-Casting and the Fight for Equality in Hollywood · All About The Joy

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Carmen Lezeth: Hi everyone.
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Carmen Lezeth: Welcome to All About the Joy Rick.
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Carmen Lezeth: So glad that you are here today.
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Rick Costa: Glad to be here.
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Rick Costa: Glad to be here.
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Carmen Lezeth: As everyone kind of knows, and I tried to email as many people and I posted everywhere we were supposed to have some guests on the show.
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Carmen Lezeth: That was.
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Carmen Lezeth: I was actually really, really excited, but unfortunately he had to cancel and also Tommy couldn't make it.
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Carmen Lezeth: So I was just going to cancel in general and then you were like, yeah, no, no, like the show must go on, so we're just going to wing it and I think it's going to bore a lot of people to talk about what you want to talk about, but I'm on the same page, so why don't you tell me what you think first?
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Carmen Lezeth: My brother.
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Rick Costa: So if you like Marvel, you may have been following what's going on, because Marvel just fired Jonathan Majors because he was found guilty of two out of the four charges.
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Rick Costa: So apparently, I think the bottom line is he unintentionally hurt his girlfriend.
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Rick Costa: He didn't do it on purpose.
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Carmen Lezeth: Okay, wait, wait, wait.
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Carmen Lezeth: That's your interpretation, but okay.
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Rick Costa: That's what I heard.
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Rick Costa: That's what I understood.
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Carmen Lezeth: You know what Go ahead.
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Carmen Lezeth: I'm sorry Because the two.
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Rick Costa: The other two charges that got dropped were basically no, he did what he was doing, he did on purpose.
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Rick Costa: But the other ones were like no, it was he didn't he.
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Rick Costa: I guess he heard it, but he didn't mean to hurt it.
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Rick Costa: And I'm just like, if this was Robert Downey Jr, no, would this be happening.
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Carmen Lezeth: I don't.
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Carmen Lezeth: I don't know if that's the same thing.
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Carmen Lezeth: Robert Downey Jr didn't hurt somebody, he hurt himself, right?
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Carmen Lezeth: I mean, he was an alcoholic and a drug addict I forget what it was, but that was a different thing.
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Rick Costa: No, no, no.
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Rick Costa: I mean if it was him in the exact same situation.
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Carmen Lezeth: Oh, are you thinking this is a race thing?
1:44
Carmen Lezeth: I'm wondering, okay, and you know I'm.
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Carmen Lezeth: I'm usually not one to jump on the race thing, although I will call it out every time, even if people are resisting it, because I am a woman of color.
1:56
Carmen Lezeth: But you know what?
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Carmen Lezeth: It's not that that didn't even cross my mind.
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Carmen Lezeth: But when you bring up Robert Downey Jr, that's probably not the best person, because his whole story the thing that makes Robert Downey Jr so great besides the fact that he's an amazing actor and is the person born to play Iron man is his story, that you know how down and out he was and then he came back.
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Carmen Lezeth: So it's kind of a hard one to use.
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Carmen Lezeth: So how about if we use somebody else?
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Rick Costa: Chris Helmsworth.
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Rick Costa: Chris Helmsworth would never.
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Rick Costa: That's what I'm saying.
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Carmen Lezeth: Chris Helmsworth would never.
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Carmen Lezeth: Okay, that's a better example, I guess.
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Rick Costa: Just all the evidence that I saw.
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Rick Costa: Obviously I didn't see everything.
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Rick Costa: I wasn't in the court.
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Carmen Lezeth: You weren't in court and it was a jury trial right.
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Carmen Lezeth: So here's my thing.
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Carmen Lezeth: I did not watch the whole trial, I did not pay attention to everything, but my whole issue is on the other side of it, because I want to trust our justice system.
2:54
Carmen Lezeth: Here's what I'm going to say.
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Carmen Lezeth: Do we all remember what's his name?
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Carmen Lezeth: Who was the Hulk before?
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Carmen Lezeth: We don't?
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Carmen Lezeth: What's his name?
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Rick Costa: Edward Norton was the Hulk, oh yeah.
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Carmen Lezeth: And after that, one movie of the Hulk.
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Carmen Lezeth: He then was no longer the Hulk, and we have who.
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Carmen Lezeth: What's his name?
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Carmen Lezeth: Our beautiful man that we love?
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Rick Costa: You mean that one now with other ones?
3:14
Rick Costa: Yes, there was three, there was three.
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Carmen Lezeth: No, our Hulk, the only Hulk that matters.
3:18
Rick Costa: Mark Ruffalo.
3:19
Carmen Lezeth: Yes, okay.
3:20
Carmen Lezeth: So Iron man, his right hand man, his right hand guy, what's his name?
3:26
Carmen Lezeth: The first movie it wasn't him, and then it's.
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Rick Costa: Oh, okay, the current one.
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Carmen Lezeth: That's right Okay.
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Rick Costa: Tony was here.
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Rick Costa: He probably knew the names.
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Carmen Lezeth: He's gonna be here later.
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Carmen Lezeth: He said he's gonna stop by, but parents.
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Rick Costa: Howard was the first one.
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Carmen Lezeth: That's right.
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Carmen Lezeth: And then he got upset, or the story is, he wanted as much money as Robert Downey Jr and they were like bye, bye, we're recasting you.
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Carmen Lezeth: And again, I'm not trying to be mean, but even back then Robert Downey Jr was Robert Downey Jr.
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Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
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Carmen Lezeth: So, but, props to him.
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Carmen Lezeth: But yeah, whoever was cast now I forget his name because I have not prepared clearly for this conversation, but I'm not so worried about the recast of his character.
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Carmen Lezeth: I guess is what I'm saying.
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Rick Costa: But have they definitely decided to do that though?
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Carmen Lezeth: Oh, they're going to.
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Carmen Lezeth: I think they will.
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Rick Costa: Because they said they could just take a whole different direction and just not do a cameo.
4:23
Carmen Lezeth: I mean they could do that.
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Carmen Lezeth: I mean, look it, I think time will tell.
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Carmen Lezeth: Jonathan majors is a great actor and kind of like, you know, chad Chadwick Boseman Is that his last name?
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Carmen Lezeth: Black Panther, you know it's really hard to see anybody else in these roles, but time is moving on and, as we know from Black Panther, from the second one, from Wakanda Forever, we know that there's going to be another Black Panther, you know what I mean.
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Carmen Lezeth: So that so they're doing what they need to do to kind of change the roles.
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Rick Costa: Marvolo at the time said period point blank.
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Rick Costa: We are not recasting.
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Rick Costa: That's what they said before.
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Carmen Lezeth: They've been black Panther About.
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Rick Costa: Black Panther.
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Rick Costa: They said absolutely.
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Carmen Lezeth: Wakanda Forever.
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Rick Costa: Well, they have the kid now, but that's not going to be Black Panther?
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Carmen Lezeth: Are you confused by this?
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Rick Costa: No, but he's not the dad, he's the kid.
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Rick Costa: He's a different person, different character.
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Carmen Lezeth: You're saying he's a different Black Panther and that matters to you because they made a continuation.
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Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, it matters, you're saying so.
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Carmen Lezeth: You're saying like if they had, like, a Black Panther 3 and they recast Chadwick Boseman, you would be against that.
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Rick Costa: I don't know if I'd be against it, but some people would.
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Carmen Lezeth: But you're upset about Jonathan Majors.
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Carmen Lezeth: I love how connected you are to him.
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Rick Costa: Jonathan Majors.
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Rick Costa: I think he's awesome, like everything I've seen him in, which isn't a lot, but what I've seen him in he's amazing, he's great.
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Rick Costa: And I'm sorry I keep seeing this big Black man running from the skinny white woman and I'm like, and he's the aggressor, he's literally like he's running for his life.
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Rick Costa: I'm like, just don't compute, what are you?
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Carmen Lezeth: doing so.
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Carmen Lezeth: Listen, here's the thing.
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Carmen Lezeth: Okay, so can we just admit to something right now?
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Carmen Lezeth: You and I were not there and I want to believe in our justice system.
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Carmen Lezeth: It's hard, but we need to bring back a way to believe in our institutions that keep us as a civil society.
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Carmen Lezeth: So let's start with the premise that he was found guilty and that happened.
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Carmen Lezeth: Just for this conversation, let's just pretend that we agree.
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Carmen Lezeth: I agree with whatever the justice system decided.
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Carmen Lezeth: Let's talk about the second part of this, which I think actually is something.
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Carmen Lezeth: I understand why you don't want him recast.
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Carmen Lezeth: Right, you can admit that they can recast him.
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Carmen Lezeth: You're upset about the justice system part.
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Rick Costa: I'm not even saying that I'm upset about him being recast or not, I'm just saying what I heard, what I had.
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Rick Costa: Marvel was saying that they might just nix the whole because with the end of Loki they kind of put a bow on it there.
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Carmen Lezeth: They kind of put a bow on it so they can admit it.
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Rick Costa: So they already knew ahead of time, like, just in case, let's just wrap this up.
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Carmen Lezeth: Oh wait, wait, wait, I'm sure they did that a while ago, though, because you know.
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Carmen Lezeth: So again, I want to.
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Carmen Lezeth: I'm not trying to be condescending my nameines, but movies are not made in, you know, three months.
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Carmen Lezeth: This movie had already been done a long time ago, before this even came to fruition, I'm positive.
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Carmen Lezeth: So that is not why they wrapped it up or put a bow on it.
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Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
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Carmen Lezeth: Like that, they left it open so that he could come back.
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Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
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Rick Costa: So but I just saw somebody.
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Rick Costa: It was really funny and amusing.
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Rick Costa: I was like, hmm, I could maybe see that somebody.
7:38
Rick Costa: You know, people put faces on a different thing.
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Rick Costa: They did Kang, but they did it as Denzel Washington.
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Carmen Lezeth: I was like hmm, Okay, but Denzel's like no offense but is it any like 65 now or something?
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Rick Costa: I mean, I don't think Kang is supposed to be a young character in the comics anyway.
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Carmen Lezeth: Oh, I don't know the comics.
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Carmen Lezeth: Okay, I don't have a wall of Marvel behind me, so I'm not going to claim to know anything more than you do.
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Carmen Lezeth: Okay, but there are a lot of the other young, vibrant, wonderful men who could play that role.
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Carmen Lezeth: Dare, I say women, but you know what I mean.
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Carmen Lezeth: Like there are other people out there.
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Carmen Lezeth: Here's my thing, rick.
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Carmen Lezeth: I did not follow the trial.
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Carmen Lezeth: I understand what you're saying.
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Carmen Lezeth: I think you're not upset with recasting the role.
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Carmen Lezeth: You're upset for the reason why.
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Carmen Lezeth: That's what it sounds like.
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Carmen Lezeth: You don't think it's fair?
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Rick Costa: I mean I don't know.
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Rick Costa: Look, marvel was.
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Rick Costa: I think Marvel was trying to be reasonable and they were like you know, until it the trial happened, there was no talking.
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Rick Costa: Firing him.
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Rick Costa: Put the minute bone.
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Carmen Lezeth: Well, well, because they were giving him due diligence, right, innocent and to prove and guilty is enough what we say we want all the time.
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Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, yeah okay, let me ask you this if you and I are working together and I'm convicted of Beating someone to a pulp, that they end up in the hospital and I'm like, okay, rick, we're gonna do our show next week, are you coming on?
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Carmen Lezeth: I'm just asking are you coming on the show?
9:02
Carmen Lezeth: All about the joy.
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Rick Costa: I was arrested and.
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Rick Costa: Is it gonna be an apologetic one?
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Carmen Lezeth: I'm going to apologize, but I beat someone to a pulp, almost to their death or something.
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Carmen Lezeth: Let's just say they're in the hospital or hurting whatever, and it's been in the news and I'm convicted, but I'm released on my own recognizance or whatever.
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Carmen Lezeth: Okay, whatever, are you coming back on the show maybe?
9:26
Carmen Lezeth: Look at it's a business, right, and your reputation matters and I, I hear you.
9:35
Carmen Lezeth: But the reason why marvel did what they did, they wanted to keep him and and of course, they wanted to do the right thing and I'm I have to defend a corporation.
9:45
Carmen Lezeth: You see what you make me do, but I actually don't find them at fault for letting him go.
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Carmen Lezeth: I, whatever the reasonings were for whatever he did, what he did and whatever the jury found and whatever they convicted him of, I don't fault marvel for being and his talent that was the biggest one for me was that his talent agency Dropped him.
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Carmen Lezeth: You know, I mean they all.
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Rick Costa: I mean he got dropped everywhere Pretty much everybody except marvel dropped him until the verdict right, but I, you know, look at it.
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Carmen Lezeth: I think this is a business, and and I'm not surprised either.
10:21
Carmen Lezeth: Just yeah, I'm not surprised either, but I love that you're so sad for him.
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Rick Costa: He's a great actor.
10:28
Rick Costa: And then somebody was joking like oh, tyler Perry will take him, he'll make movies with Tyler.
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Rick Costa: I was like, okay, maybe you know he's gonna look at, he's gonna be fine.
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Carmen Lezeth: I mean, I hate to say this.
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Carmen Lezeth: I'm more concerned about all of poor young people who end up in prison or end up because they don't have great legal counsel or whatever, and you know, and then afterwards end up jailed or whatever for unfair blah, blah, blah.
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Carmen Lezeth: I was just reading a thing today I think it was in the LA Times of these people who were just released, like after 32 years, after 42 years, and they were innocent, but they had like, okay, one guy I this was actually I don't think it was the LA Times, it was the California Sun, I was reading it this morning and they were saying that a man was in jail for 12 years, 12 years of his life.
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Carmen Lezeth: He was a teenager when he went in.
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Carmen Lezeth: He got out today because they relied on the witness Like they're you know that they saw an eyewitness account and they were able to prove that the eyewitness is legally blind and can't see like two feet in front of him, right.
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Carmen Lezeth: So and and the way he was exonerated and I'll send you this link because I just read it today was because his cellmate, like his cellmate was is you know, he's in there studying the law and was like wait a minute, this doesn't seem right, you need to have this checked out.
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Carmen Lezeth: And that's how he ended up getting and he got released, like this week.
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Carmen Lezeth: Wow, you're talking about a young man who was a teenager and you know, I mean so when, when we and this is not to say you know, celebrities don't go through things or whatever but when you have money, when you have the ability to afford whatever, it is therapy Lawyers, blah, blah, blah.
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Carmen Lezeth: I'm good, um, I'm.
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Carmen Lezeth: I'm sorry You're going through what you're going through.
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Carmen Lezeth: I wish you well, you know, but I'm not as concerned with them, um, I'm more concerned with people who have nothing and end up suffering, even if they did something Right, even if somebody made a mistake or committed a crime of some sort.
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Carmen Lezeth: It's more likely if you are poor that you will end up in jail than if you are rich.
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Carmen Lezeth: True, and that is not fair.
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Carmen Lezeth: That, to me, bothers me, but, but I think marvel's gonna be okay.
12:42
Carmen Lezeth: I think k ain't gonna be okay.
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Carmen Lezeth: I think we're gonna recast.
12:46
Carmen Lezeth: I'm sorry, I know what you think.
12:48
Carmen Lezeth: Give it some time.
12:49
Carmen Lezeth: They, that was a great, that's a great character.
12:53
Rick Costa: Yeah.
12:54
Carmen Lezeth: And no offense with marvel marvel has been getting on our nerves lately.
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Carmen Lezeth: They're not gonna put that away and throw.
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Carmen Lezeth: It'd be like we're gonna go a different way.
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Carmen Lezeth: They will pull that out the minute they think they can find the right person and the good thing.
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Rick Costa: Thanks again to Loki and the tva.
13:09
Rick Costa: He's, there's variants.
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Rick Costa: Freakin silvi is the Loki variant, a totally different person and a female, exactly exactly so they can literally do anything.
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Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, but I love that you're upset about the the justice system and he.
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Carmen Lezeth: You think he shouldn't have been convicted.
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Rick Costa: I mean from everything that I saw, I'm like Y'all crazy like really okay, what did you see?
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Carmen Lezeth: because I didn't see it all.
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Carmen Lezeth: So what did you see?
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Rick Costa: So, besides the running, the driver, who is not attached to either one of them personally, said she was being the aggressor, you know, and he was just trying to be like yo stop because you know the whole.
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Rick Costa: She saw text on his phone that said I wish I'd be kissing you.
13:51
Rick Costa: That could be anybody.
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Rick Costa: A random weirdo fan said that you don't know he's a famous, could be anybody.
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Rick Costa: She told it all seriously, that could be anybody.
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Rick Costa: So I think she overreacted.
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Rick Costa: I mean, I understand it because it's like you know, I guess, my man, what am I doing?
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Tony D.: That's the guy, that's the first, below any first reaction.
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Rick Costa: But and then the whole when she was with these other people, when he like, yes, he really took off.
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Rick Costa: And then she ended up being with these other people, went to the club, was partying, blah, blah, blah.
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Rick Costa: Meanwhile she's so injured and she hurt her finger and da, da, da, da da.
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Rick Costa: I'm like listen, if you in that much pain, we're gonna go party, you gonna go home or go to hospital, like it.
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Rick Costa: Just too many things didn't make sense to me.
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Carmen Lezeth: Okay.
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Carmen Lezeth: So why do you think from your perspective Because you clearly watched it and paid attention to it more than I have him, when I admit right there why do you think they might have?
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Carmen Lezeth: You think it's because she was a woman and he was a man, or is she?
14:43
Carmen Lezeth: Is she a white woman and he's a black?
14:44
Rick Costa: man.
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Rick Costa: She's a British white woman.
14:46
Rick Costa: So you know how Americans are British like.
14:50
Rick Costa: Oh, you know I love your accent Da, da, da like.
14:53
Rick Costa: And then you sound truthful because you're British like.
14:56
Rick Costa: It's stupid.
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Rick Costa: But oh, oh interesting but um, I don't know, might have been taken that way.
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Rick Costa: You think some of that I hate to say it, but it's like ooh, the big, angry, scary black man attacked the British white lady.
15:10
Rick Costa: That's kind of how I'm looking at it.
15:12
Rick Costa: I could be totally wrong, but I don't know why they voted how they did.
15:17
Rick Costa: I really don't get it.
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Carmen Lezeth: Was it a full jury or was it a judge?
15:22
Rick Costa: I believe it was six.
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Rick Costa: Yes, it was jury, I think three men, three women.
15:26
Rick Costa: I don't know what they're six, isn't that always 12?
15:29
Rick Costa: Is it?
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Rick Costa: I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.
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Carmen Lezeth: I think it's always 12.
15:33
Rick Costa: Okay.
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Carmen Lezeth: I mean I?
15:34
Carmen Lezeth: I mean the juries.
15:35
Carmen Lezeth: I've been on hey Google.
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Carmen Lezeth: How many jurors have to be on a jury for a case in court?
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Carmen Lezeth: It's 12 12,.
15:44
Rick Costa: Okay, yeah, I'm on the majority.
15:48
Carmen Lezeth: Well, where was it?
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Carmen Lezeth: Was it in California?
15:51
Rick Costa: I think New York.
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Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, it's probably 12.
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Carmen Lezeth: I think it's always 12.
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Rick Costa: I think it's always 12 Well either way, I think I'm pretty sure it was split as far as gender, like half male, half female.
16:01
Rick Costa: Okay, thank you, melanie.
16:03
Rick Costa: Thank you, thank you.
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Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I think it's 12.
16:06
Rick Costa: I don't know what their races were.
16:07
Carmen Lezeth: I you know, I really want to live in a world where it isn't about race.
16:11
Carmen Lezeth: But you're not wrong and God knows I'm.
16:14
Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
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Carmen Lezeth: Like I do think there is something to be said for, and andray and I talk about this all the time it's not a popular point of view, but you know how, like it's always like always believe the woman, always believe.
16:28
Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean Like it's always believe the woman.
16:30
Carmen Lezeth: And sometimes you know that scale tips over a little bit and you're like Okay, you know what.
16:37
Carmen Lezeth: You can't be doing a BCND and not have any responsibility to this and then expect All this to happen and you have no responsibility to it whatsoever.
16:48
Carmen Lezeth: You know, but it's a really touchy subject because For so long women were never believed.
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Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean and that's kind of where the weird thing is.
17:00
Carmen Lezeth: Like you know, yeah, I also and again, I didn't watch it, so you can tell me look at Cynthia just throwing it out there.
17:07
Carmen Lezeth: I'm trying to be all diplomatic.
17:09
Carmen Lezeth: I'm buying it too.
17:11
Carmen Lezeth: You ain't wrong, game wrong, look it.
17:15
Carmen Lezeth: I have a dear, beautiful friend who's a family member of mine, who I love with all my heart, who we've had this conversation because his brother was for so long accused by a woman and I Know for a fact his brother would have never in a million you know what I mean Like I can't even imagine it and but it ruined his reputation and it ruined his life and it put him in therapy and Then she retracted it, you know, like she Apologized to him, but it this went on for years.
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Carmen Lezeth: So I think, because I know that story on a firsthand basis, I'm always, you know, like we have to get to that place where we're not just always believe in the woman, like there has to be evidence, it has to be, you know, but it's also because it's not, we're never believed.
18:06
Carmen Lezeth: Women are never believed.
18:07
Carmen Lezeth: So we're in a weird place, you know.
18:09
Carmen Lezeth: It's the same thing with race, you know.
18:12
Carmen Lezeth: I don't want everything to be about race, but until we get to that place.
18:16
Rick Costa: Like wasn't it Emmett?
18:18
Rick Costa: Till that the lady, almost like when she got to enter her life, she finally admitted oh yeah, that didn't happen, I'm like the elevator right.
18:25
Carmen Lezeth: She accused that's yeah.
18:27
Carmen Lezeth: I don't know the story of Emmett till, but you should watch.
18:31
Rick Costa: It's like when somebody goes to jail for years and years and years and then you find out oops, you were innocent.
18:35
Rick Costa: Like how do you pay back the mistreatment of him going to jail?
18:40
Rick Costa: Like?
18:40
Carmen Lezeth: wait, can we talk about something else though?
18:43
Rick Costa: Sure.
18:43
Carmen Lezeth: How can you be the person to convict somebody Knowing you're not sure, like the, the, the eyewitness account of that story that I just told you about, that I read in the California Sun today.
18:56
Carmen Lezeth: The person is legally blind.
18:58
Carmen Lezeth: So how did the defense or the you know, I mean the prosecutors how did and how did that person be okay, knowing they sent a poor young man to jail?
19:10
Carmen Lezeth: All right, how do you live with yourself?
19:13
Carmen Lezeth: And how did nobody know how?
19:14
Rick Costa: did nobody know the person was legally blind.
19:17
Rick Costa: How does that not come out like did he be?
19:19
Rick Costa: Like the lawyer was like, listen, don't wear glasses, don't know, just go up the arousal.
19:23
Carmen Lezeth: I don't bubbing enough, like I don't get it you do know because, first of all, if you're put so, let's talk from his point of view, from the person who was convicted.
19:33
Carmen Lezeth: If you're poor, you're gonna get some newbie lawyer who may not intentionally be Horrible, but if you're new, you don't know what you're doing Right, so you're trying to defend somebody.
19:45
Carmen Lezeth: You also, if you're a public defender, you don't have a lot of money and resources.
19:49
Carmen Lezeth: You don't have investigators.
19:50
Carmen Lezeth: You know.
19:51
Carmen Lezeth: You know.
19:51
Carmen Lezeth: You see where it's going here.
19:52
Carmen Lezeth: And, yeah, I was having a conversation with one of my brother-in-law's, greg, when I was visiting Back east and we were talking about if his son had been convicted of anything, what would you do to get him out?
20:07
Carmen Lezeth: We would do anything and everything to get this child out.
20:11
Carmen Lezeth: Right, with all of our connections with whatever we got, we would do whatever.
20:14
Carmen Lezeth: Not once did we say you know what?
20:17
Carmen Lezeth: But did he do it?
20:18
Carmen Lezeth: It would right, because family you go, you're gonna be like do whatever you got to do to get your child out.
20:26
Rick Costa: Mm-hmm.
20:27
Carmen Lezeth: So that's how it happens.
20:28
Carmen Lezeth: And when you have a lot of money and I'm not saying this person's not right, but when you have a lot of money, yes, it's like the story of the Central Park five.
20:36
Carmen Lezeth: Yes, exactly, cynthia.
20:38
Carmen Lezeth: When you have a lot of money, though, you can put anybody you want away and you don't have to think about it, and you can hire doctors and experts and Scientists and whatever.
20:48
Carmen Lezeth: Do you know this?
20:50
Carmen Lezeth: The story of Central Park five?
20:51
Carmen Lezeth: I'm not sure so the Central Park.
20:54
Carmen Lezeth: Five were these young men who were accused of I think it was rape, rape and Brutally beating this woman.
21:03
Carmen Lezeth: She did not die, she was a runner in Central Park and these young kids five of them were accused and put in prison For doing this to her.
21:14
Carmen Lezeth: She was running in Central Park and I could be wrong on all of this because, again, not prepared for this Episode, I always do my reading, but she was running at night.
21:24
Carmen Lezeth: She's a white woman, they were all black, of course, and she was brutally raped and hurt or whatever.
21:30
Carmen Lezeth: And they accused these five young men and put them in prison when they were teenagers and they ended up.
21:36
Carmen Lezeth: They ended up getting out like I don't even know how long it was, but a long time they were adults.
21:42
Carmen Lezeth: And the reason why it came up again recently is because Donald Trump at the time and again, and even to this day, again we're not gonna talk about politics, but this is an example Well, no, because that I mean.
21:56
Carmen Lezeth: That's why everybody kind of brings it up again, because it came up again Actually put out an ad in the paper saying that you know, yes, they should be convicted.
22:05
Carmen Lezeth: Yes, they are bad people.
22:06
Carmen Lezeth: Yes, they did it, you know.
22:08
Carmen Lezeth: I mean like and kind of doubled down on it with the power of the presidency, you know, and they were found to be not guilty and even the runner herself is unclear and unsure.
22:20
Carmen Lezeth: Wow, who did it?
22:22
Carmen Lezeth: So I mean, imagine being beat up by five people.
22:25
Carmen Lezeth: I don't want to talk about the rape part, but just imagine, of course you're traumatized, how you gonna know everybody and supposedly you know there are all these things.
22:31
Carmen Lezeth: It was that nice.
22:32
Carmen Lezeth: They didn't do it.
22:33
Carmen Lezeth: They were told by their lawyers to plead guilty so they would get a let, get less of punishment.
22:37
Carmen Lezeth: That's poverty.
22:39
Carmen Lezeth: Right there you have lawyers who are telling you to plead guilty.
22:42
Carmen Lezeth: That's right, cynthia, I forgot that part.
22:43
Carmen Lezeth: Thank you, baby.
22:45
Carmen Lezeth: That's the other part.
22:46
Carmen Lezeth: They pleaded guilty, cuz and like they did all the stuff you would think, keeping them up all day and all night, you know, interrogating them over and over and over again, and all the things that you would think that you see on, like CSI or we're law and order, all those shows.
23:02
Carmen Lezeth: That's where, kind of all that's thumbs from.
23:03
Carmen Lezeth: I mean, and they went through all that and they were kids.
23:06
Carmen Lezeth: Imagine your child, your son, being locked away from his parents with no one who's really advocating for them.
23:13
Carmen Lezeth: And they're being kept up all night.
23:15
Carmen Lezeth: They're hungry, not eating whatever, and they're being interrogated over and over and over again, being told you know, it'll be easier for you, son, it'll be easier for you if you just admit it.
23:24
Carmen Lezeth: Look at, it'll be easier.
23:25
Carmen Lezeth: You'll just be in a regular jail.
23:27
Carmen Lezeth: You won't be in solitary confinement and you're lacking sleep or whatever.
23:31
Carmen Lezeth: Come on, come on.
23:32
Rick Costa: That's crazy.
23:33
Rick Costa: You know how it happens, baby, you know how it happens and that's why you always see, like in Movies and shows, when it's like a rich bad guy and they get caught and they always smile.
23:42
Rick Costa: They were like I'll be out before the end of the day because they will yeah.
23:46
Carmen Lezeth: Because they have the right lawyers in place, you know.
23:49
Carmen Lezeth: So there there is something wrong with our justice system, and I I don't know the parameters of what happened with Mr Majors I don't what's his name.
23:58
Rick Costa: Again, Jonathan, majors Jonathan majors, right.
24:01
Carmen Lezeth: Okay, I think for me, what bothers me, and this, this is this.
24:05
Carmen Lezeth: I will say this is not against him, but it's just in general, when you are, when did this happen exactly?
24:11
Carmen Lezeth: I don't even know when it's happened.
24:12
Carmen Lezeth: You're already famous.
24:14
Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I want to say in the spring maybe and this is a girlfriend right, not even a wife or I think she live with him yeah but so here's, here's my thing.
24:25
Carmen Lezeth: When you become a celebrity, you need to be Extremely, extremely brilliant and smart and careful of who you put around yourself.
24:36
Carmen Lezeth: And that is a really hard thing to do, because fame is incredibly enticing and Powerful feeling and and I had a taste of it like this much I'm talking about, like this and I was a kid and you know I thought I was famous in the world.
24:52
Carmen Lezeth: I was just famous in my community, doesn't matter.
24:55
Carmen Lezeth: I have not forgotten that feeling.
24:56
Carmen Lezeth: But even when you're on stage and and the audience, there is that feeling.
25:01
Carmen Lezeth: And I know you've experienced this, rick, because you've been on stage singing in your choir, where you know what I'm talking about.
25:07
Carmen Lezeth: So imagine if it's every day and things are taking care of you, of you.
25:13
Carmen Lezeth: You know people around you, you have bodyguards, you have like all.
25:16
Carmen Lezeth: It's a whole different ballgame that I have never experienced.
25:19
Carmen Lezeth: It is a very powerful thing.
25:21
Carmen Lezeth: But that is when you have to be, or you have to have somebody in your corner telling you that's not the right person to be dating and you need to listen to those people.
25:32
Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, true you cannot play with that, you know, so yeah and I think he's gonna.
25:39
Rick Costa: What do you call it when you go?
25:41
Carmen Lezeth: back.
25:42
Rick Costa: Yeah, I couldn't think of that word.
25:43
Rick Costa: But yeah, he's gonna try to appeal it and you know, see what happens.
25:46
Rick Costa: That'll be interesting.
25:47
Rick Costa: If he does and he wins, then what's Marvel gonna do?
25:50
Carmen Lezeth: Well, it doesn't matter now because his rep so business-wise, his reputation has been ruined, okay, and they would be hard for them to take.
25:57
Carmen Lezeth: So again we go back to the example.
25:59
Carmen Lezeth: I've beaten someone to a pope.
26:01
Carmen Lezeth: I was mad.
26:02
Carmen Lezeth: They called me the and word Did it, did it whatever.
26:05
Carmen Lezeth: I can justify it, however I want.
26:07
Carmen Lezeth: Okay, he touched me in the wrong place and we were at a bar, like I just, but he almost died.
26:13
Carmen Lezeth: Okay, let's say he almost died or whatever, and then I'm exonerated.
26:17
Carmen Lezeth: Do you have me back?
26:18
Carmen Lezeth: You know, are you gonna work with me on my show?
26:21
Carmen Lezeth: I Mean if you're exonerated, hey.
26:24
Carmen Lezeth: I mean, but my reputation's ruined and it's gonna rub off on you.
26:30
Carmen Lezeth: I don't know.
26:30
Carmen Lezeth: I mean I mean we don't.
26:33
Rick Costa: honestly and this is me, yes, you are my friend, I really don't give a rip about.
26:40
Rick Costa: But nobody else thinks I want to be on the show and y'all don't like it.
26:44
Rick Costa: You can go kick rocks, okay.
26:49
Carmen Lezeth: That was a good answer, so.
26:53
Rick Costa: No, I'm just saying.
26:55
Carmen Lezeth: People talk about forgiveness right, we were talking about a little bit last time, but we don't.
27:00
Carmen Lezeth: We don't really do well with it.
27:02
Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, the Jesus Bob will head would be very close.
27:05
Carmen Lezeth: But yeah, okay, what else you got did you see about to Raji?
27:11
Carmen Lezeth: Okay, why don't you share what you know, and then I'll tell you what I know.
27:19
Rick Costa: I mean, it was hard to even watch because she got so emotional I justifiably, and she even cussed a little bit.
27:26
Rick Costa: I was like, oh, I don't usually hear custom, but anyway, god, I'm used to seeing her like.
27:30
Rick Costa: Tyler Perry stuff where it's all clean Whatever right and also that show.
27:34
Carmen Lezeth: I mean, you're watching clips that were not edited, but she was being interviewed by a, by what's her name?
27:39
Carmen Lezeth: Gay CBS, whatever does, doesn't matter by I don't remember, but she's like, you know it's.
27:47
Rick Costa: It's ridiculous.
27:47
Rick Costa: That's like she can do really really well.
27:51
Rick Costa: You know everybody loves her, da, da, da.
27:53
Rick Costa: But then when she stops and she goes to a new project, it's like she's starting at ground zero all over again and everything she did means nothing.
27:59
Rick Costa: Like.
28:00
Rick Costa: You treat me like I'm brand new, like, and it's ridiculous.
28:03
Rick Costa: She's like I'm sick of this and she's like and I'm not doing this just for me, I'm doing this for everybody coming up behind me and it's like.
28:10
Carmen Lezeth: It was very emotional, yeah it was very emotional, so I'm gonna try the rest of it.
28:14
Carmen Lezeth: So just to give people Information.
28:17
Carmen Lezeth: So if you don't know who to Raji, is it P Henson?
28:20
Carmen Lezeth: P, I think, soj.
28:22
Carmen Lezeth: Anyway, she's in the color purple.
28:25
Carmen Lezeth: She gonna be in the color purple and it's coming out December 25th.
28:28
Carmen Lezeth: You should go watch it.
28:29
Tony D.: You should be remarkable.
28:31
Carmen Lezeth: She plays Sugar Avery and she's so cute.
28:35
Carmen Lezeth: The way she said because people are like we didn't know you could sing, but I loved that.
28:41
Carmen Lezeth: She said I can sing but she can't sing Like she can sing one time.
28:48
Carmen Lezeth: I totally get it Like her voice isn't going to last over and over and over.
28:52
Carmen Lezeth: I love that because I've never heard anyone talk like that about singing and I was like I totally get it, you know, because your voice you lose it after a while, you know.
29:02
Rick Costa: So if you're not a trained singer, you know as you know, what's funny is not funny but like.
29:08
Rick Costa: So you know, in my broadcast I sing everyone right.
29:10
Rick Costa: But it's getting hard now because before, when I was living by myself, she said when I was living by myself, I would sing all the time in the car driver on a sing, all the time, like I'm always.
29:25
Rick Costa: Because my mother said, before you could talk you were singing, singing is a huge part of what I am.
29:30
Rick Costa: And now I have to be quiet.
29:32
Rick Costa: I can't make noise because she gets wild up and I have I'm used to like upstairs my speakers are blasting that.
29:41
Rick Costa: I can't do that here.
29:41
Rick Costa: Everything has to be headphones.
29:42
Rick Costa: I can't make any noise because she gets confused and round up.
29:46
Carmen Lezeth: So it's like so I'm not singing anymore, except when I broadcast.
29:50
Rick Costa: And now it's like I have to keep drinking and putting cough drops in my mouth Cause like my throat can't take it.
29:55
Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, cause people don't understand.
29:56
Carmen Lezeth: Like to be a singer like Whitney Houston or Barbara Streisand or you know what you do.
30:02
Carmen Lezeth: You need to be working on your tool all the time.
30:04
Carmen Lezeth: It's like anything else you're going to lose it If you're not working on it all the time.
30:09
Carmen Lezeth: That's like I didn't even realize you were going through that.
30:12
Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, that made such sense.
30:16
Rick Costa: I think I've heard Taraji singing on like some Tyler Perry stuff.
30:19
Carmen Lezeth: Oh, yeah, I know she has, but what she was saying was cause people kept telling her like oh, we didn't know you could sing girl Like you should be.
30:24
Carmen Lezeth: She's like no, no, I'm not that kind of singer, it's kind of like when people talk about.
30:27
Carmen Lezeth: You know cause people say I'm funny.
30:28
Carmen Lezeth: They're like you should be a comedian.
30:30
Carmen Lezeth: Like now, I could never write out a comedic and get on stage and be funny.
30:36
Carmen Lezeth: I'm just funny Sometimes in the moment, in a crowd.
30:41
Carmen Lezeth: That's not the same.
30:42
Carmen Lezeth: Like you know your skill level, you know what I mean.
30:46
Rick Costa: Like she's not going to be doing a Broadway musical anytime soon.
30:49
Rick Costa: Well, she might.
30:50
Carmen Lezeth: I don't know if she can.
30:51
Carmen Lezeth: She can kind of do anything.
30:52
Carmen Lezeth: She's a great actress.
30:52
Carmen Lezeth: I don't know if she can work on that tool, I have no idea, but she would probably say right now no.
30:57
Carmen Lezeth: But here's the part that that.
30:58
Carmen Lezeth: Let me just give a little bit, a little bit of a tweak of what you said, cause I think it's important.
31:04
Carmen Lezeth: What she was talking about was that, as a woman of color she didn't say this, by the way, but we all read between the lines cause we knew what she was saying oh yeah, as a woman of color, people get on her because they'll say she made $10 million or she made $2 million, and people don't understand that what you're seeing is work with a whole group of people.
31:27
Carmen Lezeth: So she has to pay.
31:29
Carmen Lezeth: So, first of all, uncle Sam takes 50%, so 10 million is now 5 million, and then she has to pay her staff, which is like 2.5 million or whatever it is Right.
31:39
Carmen Lezeth: So now we're at 2.5.
31:40
Carmen Lezeth: I don't she, she did the numbers, she was doing her own numbers, whatever.
31:44
Carmen Lezeth: It's just to pay her staff, which is the makeup people, the hair people.
31:48
Carmen Lezeth: Her managers take, okay, managers take 15%.
31:52
Carmen Lezeth: Oh no, I'm sorry, it manages.
31:54
Carmen Lezeth: Take 5%.
31:54
Carmen Lezeth: I guess at that level.
31:56
Carmen Lezeth: It depends on what you negotiate, like with me it would be 10%, but managers take 5% and then her agents take 15%.
32:02
Carmen Lezeth: So you dwindle that down and now she's maybe at what?
32:06
Carmen Lezeth: A million or 500,000, and anyone on the planet would be like, yeah, what's wrong with that?
32:11
Carmen Lezeth: You know cause, cause we're over here making our 60,000 or our 30,000 or whatever, so we're all crazed about it.
32:18
Carmen Lezeth: Tony just said I appreciate her, right.
32:21
Carmen Lezeth: When she broke down the numbers, it was awesome.
32:23
Carmen Lezeth: So she got really emotional.
32:24
Carmen Lezeth: She was crying cause she was saying, if I can't, oh wait, let me finish.
32:28
Carmen Lezeth: So she broke down the numbers to let people know.
32:30
Carmen Lezeth: And then she said you know what?
32:32
Carmen Lezeth: And then every time I go to renegotiate and what she didn't say, but other people said, are white women or white men Get 10 times more than a black woman does?
32:44
Carmen Lezeth: And what she said was every time I go to renegotiate, they throw in my face, I'm not marketable elsewhere.
32:51
Carmen Lezeth: I don't relate to other people internationally, which is something.
32:56
Carmen Lezeth: And she's been doing this for what?
32:57
Carmen Lezeth: 10, 15, 20 years or something.
33:00
Carmen Lezeth: And she started crying.
33:02
Carmen Lezeth: And because she said if I, with all of that power and prestige, if I can't get this so that we're getting paid or whatever.
33:12
Carmen Lezeth: How is anyone else coming up behind me going to do it?
33:16
Carmen Lezeth: It was and it was very emotional, but it gets worse.
33:21
Carmen Lezeth: I don't know if you saw TikTok today.
33:23
Carmen Lezeth: I saw a couple of things on TikTok where people were watching them at a press junket so all of the cast and Oprah, who's been on every press junket or whatever, and people were looking at the body language and clearly there's something going on between Taraji and Oprah or whatever.
33:39
Carmen Lezeth: I'm not going to analyze it because I that's not what I do, but you know, it's kind of like if you and I have a spat and then we have to do the show, we might be a little like hi, rick, how you doing, and people might be people who watch us regularly might be like, okay, something's open to you, yeah, yeah, like whatever.
33:58
Rick Costa: I'm not going to hide it as best you can, but people are like they see through it.
34:01
Carmen Lezeth: Oh yeah they can see it right, so, but?
34:03
Carmen Lezeth: But you know, on TikTok people are slow motioned but they're not wrong.
34:09
Carmen Lezeth: There's something going on.
34:10
Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
34:11
Carmen Lezeth: But I actually think that what she said was profound.
34:16
Carmen Lezeth: I thought it needed to be said.
34:18
Carmen Lezeth: She didn't say it was different between white and black, she did not say that.
34:21
Carmen Lezeth: Or women and men.
34:22
Carmen Lezeth: She did not say that.
34:23
Carmen Lezeth: But that is the inference that you know.
34:26
Carmen Lezeth: It's kind of like violating.
34:27
Carmen Lezeth: It's kind of like Viola Davis.
34:28
Carmen Lezeth: Viola Davis, if you don't know who she is, I mean you should.
34:31
Carmen Lezeth: You know what.
34:32
Carmen Lezeth: I'm not going to do that, because y'all shouldn't know who Viola Davis is.
34:34
Carmen Lezeth: If you don't Google her cause, I'm done.
34:37
Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
34:38
Carmen Lezeth: She has said that a million times.
34:40
Carmen Lezeth: A million times.
34:42
Carmen Lezeth: She does not get the same amount of money as Meryl Streep does, right, and you know what?
34:46
Carmen Lezeth: As somebody who just watches people and appreciates acting and I love the art of acting you are not going to tell me Viola Davis is not as good as Meryl Streep.
34:56
Rick Costa: She is amazing, she is amazing.
34:58
Rick Costa: She is amazing I watched that show where she was the lawyer and training up the younger lawyers.
35:03
Rick Costa: What's that called About murder?
35:04
Carmen Lezeth: or something.
35:05
Carmen Lezeth: Something with murder, murder or something, something with murder I watched a couple of episodes and that wasn't my.
35:11
Carmen Lezeth: It's not my genre.
35:12
Carmen Lezeth: It's not my genre.
35:12
Rick Costa: Yeah, but she was great at that, she was amazing.
35:15
Carmen Lezeth: That was her breakout.
35:16
Carmen Lezeth: That was her first breakout thing Getting away with murder.
35:21
Carmen Lezeth: That's right, cynthia, on it tonight.
35:24
Carmen Lezeth: I'm glad you feeling better girl.
35:27
Rick Costa: We need Cynthia.
35:29
Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I'm just glad she's feeling better, because I was worried about it so much.
35:32
Carmen Lezeth: What else you got coming up as far as movies or shows you want to see?
35:37
Rick Costa: Oh, yes, next.
35:37
Rick Costa: Oh how there's more drama with Deadpool.
35:41
Rick Costa: Ryan Reynolds went off, I guess, on Igor, what are you?
35:46
Carmen Lezeth: talking about.
35:46
Rick Costa: Igor, what's his name?
35:48
Rick Costa: That's like the head of Disney or something I think he had a beef.
35:52
Carmen Lezeth: No, they didn't.
35:52
Carmen Lezeth: Are you serious?
35:53
Rick Costa: Yeah, and so I'm like listen, wait till your movie comes out and then yell at him what was he yelling at Ryan Reynolds?
36:00
Carmen Lezeth: ain't yelling at nobody.
36:02
Carmen Lezeth: Was he being funny or sarcastic?
36:03
Rick Costa: I don't know, but they have some kind of beef.
36:05
Rick Costa: I don't know.
36:05
Rick Costa: I don't know what it was, I didn't pay attention that hard, but yeah, some kind of beef with them.
36:10
Carmen Lezeth: All about the joy where you get all the gossip on anything Marvel.
36:14
Rick Costa: Oh, the tea, I've been here.
36:17
Carmen Lezeth: We're going to give you all the gossip all the time on Marvel, but it's interesting because it's literally the only Marvel, not Sony, because Spider-Man got you know.
36:27
Rick Costa: It's not Sony, only Marvel movie in 2024 is.
36:29
Rick Costa: Deadpool, that's it.
36:31
Carmen Lezeth: Is it really that the only one coming out?
36:32
Rick Costa: It's the only one.
36:33
Rick Costa: Everything else is fine.
36:34
Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, it's just a writer's strike and the writer's and actor's strike, so everything got pushed back.
36:38
Carmen Lezeth: Two of the clients I work for we just did projections for January through March and we're getting hit now because you know what I mean, but it's gonna be okay because it's over with.
36:50
Carmen Lezeth: But you start to see the trickle down of how you get hit with that.
36:54
Carmen Lezeth: So I didn't realize Deadpool was the only movie coming, are you sure?
36:59
Rick Costa: Movie, now TV shows, there's other, there's shows coming out.
37:02
Rick Costa: What?
37:02
Carmen Lezeth: TV shows are coming out.
37:03
Carmen Lezeth: Do you know?
37:04
Rick Costa: I don't know that.
37:04
Carmen Lezeth: I might be interested in.
37:05
Rick Costa: I know the times, but did you like the Scarlet Witch and Vision one?
37:10
Rick Costa: I did not.
37:12
Carmen Lezeth: I was the only one, I think, that didn't love that.
37:14
Carmen Lezeth: Everyone loved it.
37:15
Carmen Lezeth: It was so quirky.
37:16
Carmen Lezeth: But I didn't love the because you had to watch a few episodes to understand what was happening.
37:22
Rick Costa: Yeah, so there's a spin-off with Agatha, which is the bad person?
37:26
Carmen Lezeth: Ooh, but I liked her.
37:27
Rick Costa: But you didn't know until the end.
37:29
Rick Costa: It's like, oh, and then they made that song.
37:31
Rick Costa: It was Agatha.
37:32
Rick Costa: Oh, love, oh.
37:33
Rick Costa: Right right right, it was such a great song.
37:35
Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, and I liked her.
37:36
Rick Costa: But yeah, she's gonna get a show and people are wondering, ooh, is the Scarlet Witch gonna come back in her show?
37:41
Rick Costa: Maybe I don't know, but try and think what else.
37:44
Rick Costa: They have a lot of things in the work.
37:46
Rick Costa: I mean they've been talking about doing like young Avengers, like Teenage Avengers, teenage.
37:50
Carmen Lezeth: Wars.
37:50
Carmen Lezeth: Oh God, no, please don't.
37:51
Carmen Lezeth: I mean, I think, actually think they need to stop doing so much.
37:56
Carmen Lezeth: It's a lot.
37:57
Carmen Lezeth: I think they need to back it up, like because it's becoming its own genre and it's becoming boring.
38:04
Carmen Lezeth: Oh, and now?
38:07
Rick Costa: yeah, now the animated what If, which is why I saw you write what If before I was like oh you go talk about that.
38:14
Rick Costa: They're gonna be showing it, for I don't know if it starts today or tomorrow, but it's like one episode a day for Christmas.
38:20
Rick Costa: I think it might be starting either today or tomorrow.
38:23
Carmen Lezeth: Where.
38:23
Rick Costa: Where I'm assuming that's on Disney Plus, I assume.
38:26
Carmen Lezeth: On Disney Plus.
38:27
Carmen Lezeth: Yeah.
38:27
Rick Costa: So, yeah, one a day instead of one a week, it's literally one a day, like they're doing it for Christmas.
38:31
Rick Costa: And I saw the previous and like, oh, some interesting stuff in there.
38:36
Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I'm not into the animated things as much, I'm just not.
38:39
Carmen Lezeth: I try, you know what I mean.
38:41
Carmen Lezeth: But I mean I love Marvel.
38:44
Carmen Lezeth: But I was kind of okay, don't hate me, I was kind of done with Endgame and you know what, every time I see a clip because somebody on TikTok always puts the clip of it's two parts either Robert Downey Jr, I am Iron man or whatever I am inevitable, whatever that whole scene, but the clip that always gets me, it doesn't matter how many times I see it, is when Captain America picks up Thor's hammer.
39:14
Carmen Lezeth: Right, because you don't know the way they shoot.
39:17
Carmen Lezeth: It is so great because you see the hammer.
39:19
Carmen Lezeth: You know that Thor has been laid out by what's his name again, what's that horrible name?
39:27
Rick Costa: The Kathanos.
39:29
Carmen Lezeth: Thanos.
39:29
Carmen Lezeth: He's been laid out by Thanos, right, they've been fighting.
39:31
Carmen Lezeth: He's been laid out and the hammer's there and they shoot it the way they.
39:36
Carmen Lezeth: I mean, I just love the art of filmmaking, right, the way you see the hammer and then all of a sudden it's picked up.
39:43
Rick Costa: And you see who picked it up.
39:45
Carmen Lezeth: And you're like, oh my God, because it means he's so worthy and we knew he was.
39:50
Carmen Lezeth: Because if you watch Stargate, oh Stargate, sorry If you watch Avengers, don't tell me it's Avengers.
40:02
Rick Costa: I don't know the name, but I know what you're talking about.
40:03
Carmen Lezeth: It's the one where vision it's the one with vision yeah where he first showed up.
40:08
Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, Right, it's, it's.
40:09
Rick Costa: Because he's like you can't pick it up.
40:11
Carmen Lezeth: You can't pick it up and he nudged it and he did it.
40:13
Rick Costa: it moved a little bit and he and quote Thor's face was like oh crap.
40:17
Carmen Lezeth: Only Thor saw that, though that he kind of nudged it, you know, and he was like yeah, yeah, yeah, he did it.
40:25
Rick Costa: Yeah, no, I can't let that Every time I see that episode every time.
40:29
Rick Costa: I saw a video yesterday.
40:31
Carmen Lezeth: That TikTok I get like teary eyed Cause it was, that was a grip, you know what.
40:35
Carmen Lezeth: That's why I get mad at like Martin Scorsese and stuff.
40:38
Carmen Lezeth: I have not since then see Age of.
40:42
Rick Costa: Ultron Look at Cynthia.
40:43
Rick Costa: Let me help you.
40:44
Rick Costa: That's why we need Cynthia here.
40:46
Carmen Lezeth: That's why we need Cynthia.
40:47
Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, Age of Ultron, that's right.
40:49
Carmen Lezeth: Avengers, Age of Ultron.
40:50
Carmen Lezeth: So this is what I'm saying when I get mad at Martin Scorsese when they talk about it not being real movies or real good whatever.
41:00
Carmen Lezeth: I have yet, since Endgame, had an experience like that in a movie theater, where I am completely consumed in the moment of the story and cheering and crying because we're winning.
41:17
Rick Costa: Right, there was one scene in the one with the three Spider-Men, with all three of them, yeah, and that was.
41:26
Carmen Lezeth: that was very close.
41:26
Carmen Lezeth: Oh, no, no, no, you're right, right, right, when the three of us were, you not?
41:29
Rick Costa: in it.
41:29
Rick Costa: That was very close.
41:30
Rick Costa: Right when MJ is falling and Andrew Garfield different Spider-Man he's like, oh, we ain't doing this again.
41:38
Rick Costa: It dives in and I saw a video of people in the theater and the people are like they were screaming, all crazy and, I'm not gonna lie, I teared up.
41:48
Carmen Lezeth: I'm saying you know what you're right, you know what I mean, though.
41:52
Carmen Lezeth: I meant it more about, like Martin Scorsese, not understanding and appreciating, but you're right, that was great.
41:59
Carmen Lezeth: That's my call.
41:59
Carmen Lezeth: That was an awesome moment as well.
42:01
Rick Costa: I think Martin's just old.
42:03
Carmen Lezeth: Is it old?
42:03
Carmen Lezeth: Is it old?
42:04
Carmen Lezeth: Steven Spielberg is old and he doesn't say that he's always been hip.
42:07
Carmen Lezeth: Oh my God, okay, you just made yourself look old.
42:11
Rick Costa: I said he's always been hip.
42:13
Carmen Lezeth: I'm just gonna throw that out, but here's what I think it is.
42:17
Carmen Lezeth: I'm stuttering a lot tonight, but it's okay.
42:21
Carmen Lezeth: I don't think it's the hip thing.
42:22
Carmen Lezeth: Let's not use that word ever again.
42:24
Carmen Lezeth: No just kidding Cause all the youngins are gonna be like man them motherfucking old oh.
42:29
Rick Costa: I swore.
42:30
Carmen Lezeth: once I was trying not to swear, I don't know but you did good.
42:32
Rick Costa: so far, though, I've been doing good, though, right.
42:33
Rick Costa: Listen, these young people got their new words.
42:36
Rick Costa: We can bring up our old words.
42:38
Rick Costa: I'm about like oh, you got the drip, the one, you got the drip.
42:43
Carmen Lezeth: No, no.
42:43
Carmen Lezeth: My favorite one is what is it Like, biz?
42:47
Rick Costa: I don't even understand half these words these kids use.
42:50
Carmen Lezeth: Well, wait, but wait.
42:51
Carmen Lezeth: Here's what I was gonna say.
42:52
Carmen Lezeth: I think Steven Spielberg is more childlike.
42:58
Carmen Lezeth: When you can retain your ability to be in wonder.
43:04
Carmen Lezeth: In that space of wonder and enjoyment you can appreciate any Marvel movie, any DC, whatever any action kind of fantasy.
43:17
Carmen Lezeth: Does that make sense?
43:19
Carmen Lezeth: That's what bothers me about Martin Scorsese.
43:21
Carmen Lezeth: If I knew him personally, I would go up to him and be like, first of all, stop talking ever about anyone else doing filmmaking not fair, shut up.
43:29
Carmen Lezeth: And just because it's commercial and just because a lot of people like it, that you don't understand doesn't make it not worthy.
43:36
Carmen Lezeth: You know, hey Tony, hey Tony, how you doing baby, Thank you.
43:43
Rick Costa: That's what Disney does for Cynthia.
43:47
Carmen Lezeth: Okay, we're gonna give you a moment to breathe.
43:48
Carmen Lezeth: We're gonna give you a moment to breathe.
43:50
Rick Costa: He looks like he's pent up with stuff to say.
43:52
Carmen Lezeth: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
43:53
Carmen Lezeth: I'm gonna get some more water because I'm stuttering a lot, whatever.
43:57
Carmen Lezeth: So you guys give me just a minute, just a minute.
44:00
Carmen Lezeth: I can hear you, though, I can hear you.
44:01
Rick Costa: All right, cool.
44:02
Rick Costa: All right, tony go.
44:05
Tony D.: How do you not know?
44:06
Tony D.: The age of Ultron was the one with Vision came in.
44:09
Rick Costa: No, I couldn't think of the name, the title of the movie.
44:12
Rick Costa: I know the movie.
44:13
Rick Costa: I just couldn't think of the title of the movie Gotcha.
44:15
Tony D.: And the other movie.
44:16
Tony D.: Nothing to get Cynthia, but it was how to get away with murder.
44:19
Tony D.: She put it in the movie.
44:21
Tony D.: I was like, okay, y'all sit here, listen Close enough.
44:23
Tony D.: We know you, man, I'm sitting here trying to drive and keep my eyes open.
44:25
Tony D.: I'm like what they say yeah, it was a great show.
44:29
Tony D.: It was controversial.
44:31
Tony D.: Oh yeah, she's really gonna leave us in charge while she's not here.
44:34
Tony D.: That shows you she trusts us.
44:37
Tony D.: Someone love me, dude, no one love me.
44:39
Tony D.: No one love me.
44:39
Tony D.: I'm a same one.
44:42
Rick Costa: I'm saying I'm a same one, my goose.
44:44
Tony D.: The down to a major situation bothers me.
44:45
Tony D.: I think the timing was off based on what happened.
44:47
Tony D.: I didn't even get the whole story as well.
44:49
Tony D.: Listen to me.
44:49
Tony D.: What's going on, how you doing.
44:50
Tony D.: I didn't like it.
44:52
Tony D.: I hate that.
44:53
Tony D.: I mean he was just starting to really get a presence in the Marvel Universe.
44:58
Tony D.: In my opinion, he was actually about to be an absolute major character.
45:05
Tony D.: So to me, a lot of this coming out, the timing's off, but I don't know when the situation happened as well.
45:12
Tony D.: Yeah, I really don't.
45:14
Tony D.: The Taraji P Henson I saw the clip.
45:17
Tony D.: I'm not surprised, but it's anything I do want to throw out there that that just goes to show that the people who are making more money than us are still being taxed and economically taken advantage of as much as the rest of us.
45:33
Tony D.: Most of us are only living off a 30% of our income anyway.
45:35
Tony D.: The most of us are the way you do your numbers, the way you use your numbers.
45:40
Tony D.: If she didn't have the staff, she would have more money, but she needs a staff for what she does, and that's just my take on what's going on.
45:46
Tony D.: All I caught was when you all were talking about Jonathan Mejiz and Taraji P Henson, because I was out trying to get something to eat and I was going to watch the game for a minute.
45:54
Carmen Lezeth: You can go.
45:55
Carmen Lezeth: You can go, you don't have to.
45:56
Carmen Lezeth: I appreciate you coming on.
45:58
Carmen Lezeth: You didn't have to break up your night.
46:00
Tony D.: I appreciate you.
46:00
Tony D.: I wasn't you break it up, you break it up.
46:02
Tony D.: The game is they're losing.
46:05
Carmen Lezeth: Is that why you're here?
46:06
Tony D.: No, I was just drinking and tripping out with folks and then I was like, ok, let me go and take myself home, because I don't want to go out and drink and get pulled over, and the cops was out, so I said let me take my money home.
46:15
Tony D.: I'm actually glad you did do this, because I was going to get back around now anyway, get ready for Ted's show.
46:19
Tony D.: So this just made me come home earlier and drink less.
46:22
Tony D.: Good job.
46:25
Carmen Lezeth: You coming out next week, though we're going to have you on next week and we're going to have a whole conversation about.
46:29
Carmen Lezeth: Christmas and whatever, but go ahead Tell me what you think about Jonathan Mejiz, because I didn't hear that part.
46:34
Carmen Lezeth: Did you already talk about Jonathan Mejiz?
46:35
Carmen Lezeth: Yeah?
46:36
Tony D.: I told him I think the time moves off.
46:37
Tony D.: I don't know what the situation happened, but all this is starting to happen right as he's starting to blow up, because he's about to be a real major character in the Marvel Universe Real major, huge and I'm intended major, major Right, right, right.
46:50
Tony D.: Good job.
46:52
Tony D.: I don't know if anybody saw that season of Loki.
46:55
Tony D.: He was phenomenal.
46:57
Carmen Lezeth: Can I just say that whole, that whole, that was one of my favorites, the whole Loki, this last episode, this whole series was amazing.
47:05
Carmen Lezeth: Loki was great.
47:06
Tony D.: Jonathan Mejiz was phenomenal.
47:08
Carmen Lezeth: He was amazing, amazing.
47:10
Tony D.: He was phenomenal on that.
47:11
Tony D.: So this to me it seems like when you're about to rise, they find a way to bring you back to reality for some reason.
47:17
Tony D.: That's just what it looks like to me.
47:18
Tony D.: I don't know the whole story and what's going on.
47:20
Tony D.: I don't like it.
47:20
Tony D.: He did creed, he did do a couple of kinks, he's been doing good with movies and things are starting to come up with the project that he's done.
47:27
Tony D.: I just don't like what's happening and I don't know if anybody's seeing this or not, but they're taking out a lot of celebrities.
47:35
Carmen Lezeth: What do you mean taking out?
47:35
Carmen Lezeth: What do you mean taking out?
47:37
Tony D.: You can take the situations happening with him and the accusations against him.
47:39
Tony D.: You can take the situations happening with Diddy and the accusations against him.
47:42
Tony D.: You can take a situation with R Kelly and the accusations against him.
47:44
Tony D.: A lot of the major celebrities.
47:45
Carmen Lezeth: OK, wait, let's not conflate P Diddy, r Kelly Johnathan and Major.
47:53
Tony D.: A lot of celebrities, major celebrities.
47:54
Tony D.: For some reason, things are just getting.
47:57
Carmen Lezeth: OK, I don't want to do that.
47:58
Carmen Lezeth: I don't want to conflate.
48:00
Carmen Lezeth: Those are three different things and those other two I am not even putting in the same.
48:07
Carmen Lezeth: I have much more compassion for Jonathan Major's in this situation than I do for Diddy.
48:13
Tony D.: You may know more than I do, that's fine.
48:15
Carmen Lezeth: I don't know nothing.
48:16
Carmen Lezeth: I'm not with the lawyers and doing investigations.
48:19
Carmen Lezeth: I'm just saying Jonathan Major's thing.
48:25
Carmen Lezeth: I can at least, with the information we do have, we can see that Rick might be on to something.
48:33
Carmen Lezeth: And yet I'm still going to believe the jury because I want to believe in our system of government, because we have to start finding a way to believe in something that's important to this country.
48:43
Carmen Lezeth: But the other two Diddy's has been having a reputation, that's a whole other conversation you know what I mean.
48:53
Carmen Lezeth: I don't want to conflate those two.
48:55
Carmen Lezeth: Is that fair, Rick?
48:56
Carmen Lezeth: Do you think that's fair?
48:57
Carmen Lezeth: I think that's fair.
48:57
Rick Costa: Oh, yeah, yeah.
48:58
Rick Costa: And honestly, musicians versus actors, it's a whole different thing somehow.
49:03
Carmen Lezeth: Well, that's a good point.
49:04
Carmen Lezeth: I didn't think about that because I always think celebrities, but you're right, that's a really good point.
49:08
Rick Costa: I mean an actor can get a big head, but it's different with a musician, for some.
49:12
Rick Costa: When a musician really blows up, they really get a big head.
49:14
Rick Costa: I don't know why, but but you know what I'm going to totally end the show so that Tony can go do his thing.
49:22
Carmen Lezeth: Bye everyone and remember it's always all about the joy.
49:25
Carmen Lezeth: Merry Christmas to everyone who celebrates.
49:27
Carmen Lezeth: Merry Christmas Happy holidays and enjoy the weekend.
49:30
Carmen Lezeth: Bye, Thanks for stopping by.
49:34
Carmen Lezeth: All about the joy Be better and stay beautiful folks.
49:37
Carmen Lezeth: Have a sweet day.