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#212: Saw X (2023) · What's Your (Least) Favorite Scary Movie?

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  Hello. What's your least favorite scary
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  movie? Epic bad luck.
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  Welcome to Watch Your Least Favorite Scary Movie, The
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  podcast where we talk about the good, the bad, the ugly and the
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  absurd, and all of our favorite. And least favorite?
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  Scary movies. Because we believe every horror
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  movie, right? If he has his fan base.
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  Even if we don't always get it. My name is Travis.
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  My name is. Jesse and welcome back everybody
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  for our finale for now of the Saw franchise.
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  Fornale. Fornale finale of the saw.
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  I can't think of another rhyme for that, but yeah, we're we're
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  we're doing socks today. Oh, you're you're proud of
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  yourself. I'm very.
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  Proud of myself. I couldn't have even even on A
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  roll. Yeah, OK, we're talking about
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  socks today. Which?
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  That's what we call the movie, but it's Saw X, Yeah.
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  So the 10th Saw movie. But before we get into any of
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  that, Jesse, do you have anything you'd like to announce?
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  Yes, budget tier Patrons, as you know, one of your perks is a
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  monthly bonus episode, and we went to go see a little movie in
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  theaters this weekend and decided that we're going to do a
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  review of this before we ever bring it to the main channel
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  because we do intend to cover this series at some point.
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  That would be the Strangers franchise.
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  We saw Strangers Chapter One this weekend and we have some
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  thoughts and we figured we'd record them and share them with
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  our budget bubbies. Yeah.
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  So preview. If you want to hear that you can
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  sign up to be a budget to your patron for a single month.
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  The link is down at the very bottom of the show.
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  Notes take you right to it. All right, other than that we
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  have our poll results from last week's movie which as we said
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  prom month. So everything is choose your
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  prom date from the movie we talked about the Prowler.
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  So the options that we had for that were Pam, Officer, London,
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  Lisa and Sherry. So over on Instagram, nobody
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  picked Pam, nobody picked London, 50% Lisa, 50% Sherry.
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  Meanwhile on Twitter, 25% Pam, Nobody London, 25% Lisa, 50%
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  Sherry. OK, I wonder if the people that
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  are picking Sherry just actually don't want to go to prom?
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  See, I I'm torn. I was going to go between Lisa
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  and Sherry. Lisa seems like she'd be a fun
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  time at the prom. Mr. Still, young man.
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  Yeah, well, I'm, I don't have to worry about that.
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  So, like, I, I don't know. She seemed like she was having a
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  fun time. Travis, Here's the thing though,
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  and I say this because I've been to many a dance with you.
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  Lisa's going to make you dance. Are you prepared to boogie at
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  the amount she requires you to boogie?
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  Well, if I drink that spike punch, I think I'll be OK.
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  OK, that's that's usually been a good motivator for me to dance
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  at parties. Can I pick Pam in her first
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  dress? OK, sure.
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  I was also going to say Sherry, though, because I like the idea
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  of just like spending the time of prom in the shower with, you
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  know. Seemingly endless hot water.
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  Yeah, it sounds great. That's the dream.
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  It'll get cold eventually. Maybe not at not in 12 hours.
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  We have at least. 12 hours worth of hot water.
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  See, that's the thing. We're going to put it to the
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  test. We're going to see how long we
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  can do that for. But you're going.
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  To be so pruney before then I. Don't care, dude, you got to
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  somebody's got to do it. Final verdict.
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  I'm going to go with Lisa because I think overall that's a
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  better night, but Sherry seems like it could be fun too.
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  Let's see how far we could take this thing.
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  Let's see how far we can take the water heater OK OK all right
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  so that's it for the pulse. So let's get into our coverage
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  of saw X OK so saw released September 29th, 2023.
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  We watched it on our 4K but. Our what?
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  Our 4K, I'm not going to, I'm not going to say it.
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  I, I've realized I actually had a moment where like I thought to
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  myself, like, I've been really saying the fork thing a little
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  bit too much lately. And I don't want that to be how
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  because I read things like that sometimes now too.
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  So like now I'm, I'm trying to correct myself and get my brain
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  fixed with that. So the 4K.
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  Fun fact, everybody, I've ruined the way he pronounces Duany the
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  Rock Johnson's name. Yeah, I don't want this to be
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  another one of those. I want to be able to correct
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  this one when I can see the signs of.
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  It and I've also gotten him to accidentally say Mark Dimaco.
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  Yeah, that one. Yeah, you do a good job.
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  I don't want this to be another case of that.
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  So we watched it on our 4K. If you want to stream this, you
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  can stream it on Stars and additional add-ons from other
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  services like Hulu and Prime. If you subscribe through Stars
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  through those, you can also rent it on Prime and Apple, you know,
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  in normal places. Written by Peter Goldfinger and
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  Josh Stolberg. A little bubby duo there,
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  directed by Kevin Groiter, The fucking OG of the Saw series at
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  this point. Music.
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  Charlie Klauser, of course. He's done every single.
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  One of them also the OG of the saw.
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  Exactly. Yeah, he's like the absolute
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  ogiest of Ogs there. What bands he from again?
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  9 Inch Nails? Yeah, OK.
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  Special effects makeup done by the team Fractured Effects,
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  which is led by Ozzie Alvarez and Kimberly Beck, was also a
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  big name involved in the process.
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  And we just talked about them. Kevin Fever too, yeah.
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  Yep, yeah, those, those people know their shit.
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  It was funny. I did a trailer for Kevin Fever
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  too, and I used a quip of that movie of him doing the
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  fingernail thing and somebody on TikTok said you're fucking evil
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  for making me watch this. I think everybody should see it.
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  Everybody needs to appreciate the work that went into that.
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  OK cast. We have our man returning,
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  another OG of the Saw series, Tobin Bell returning as John
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  Kramer, another OG, Shawnee Smith as Amanda.
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  All right, now here I'm going to try Cinovay Makodi Wund as
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  Cecilia Peterson. She is like actually Norwegian.
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  I believe they actually got somebody for that because they
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  wanted it to actually look the part.
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  Stephen Brand as Parker Sears, Renata Vaca as Gabriella, Joshua
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  Camaro as Diego, Octavio Hinojosa, Hinojosa.
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  I don't know. I'm trying to do the correct
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  pronunciation as Matteo. I would.
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  Think it was Hinojosa. Paulette Hernandez as Valentina
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  and Jorge Bracino as Carlos. OK, All right, Jesse, time for
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  our favorite game on the show. Budget.
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  Oh, our budget. What do?
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  You think? I think this one was budget.
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  I feel like it was a big comeback.
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  OK. Yeah, you would think that it
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  had a lot of money behind it and it had budget levels, but it was
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  13 million, so it wasn't like blowing it out of the water or
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  anything. But I was still correct and I
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  was technically correct. Which is the best kind of
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  correct? Yeah, you're right.
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  Yeah, technically you're right, Which is the best kind of being
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  right. Also, opening box office
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  18,000,000. Not as big as I would have
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  expected for a Saw movie. Yeah, worldwide gross, 111
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  million. That's a little bit better.
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  We're getting there. IMDb score 6.6 out of 10.
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  Well, I think some of the problem too was this.
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  The release date got shifted because of Five Nights at
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  Freddy's. Was that really what happened
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  with them? Yeah, they didn't want to
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  compete with it. That was a that was a wise
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  choice. Isn't that fucking weird that
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  Yeah. So they moved it had to was
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  worried about Five Nights at Freddy's.
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  I mean, you got to recognize it because it's a big property, but
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  still. Like SAW is also a fucking big
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  property. If it's barely post Labor Day,
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  it must be saw how it that's what they say.
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  They should have done the Barbenheimer method and done
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  like a five nights. It sucks, yes.
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  Yeah, I don't know. Five nights in jigsaws.
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  Five nights in jigsaws, Yeah. Oh dude, that could be good.
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  I'd like you. I would like that crossover.
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  You get these like, little animatronics and they have like,
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  animatronic old traps. Fuck yeah.
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  OK. All right.
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  I don't necessarily have like a theme for this year, but I went
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  with like big releases that also released.
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  So you know, Saw X was like a big event for the war people.
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  So I don't know 20. 23 I feel like was trying really, really
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  hard to follow strongly to 2022 and it just it was a losing
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  game. 2022 is the one that beat in this decade so far I I
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  nothing has really competed with it yet.
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  This year especially, it's just been kind of flat, I feel like.
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  Yeah, I've not really been super excited with most of the stuff
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  for this year either. Maxine's coming out though I am.
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  Excited for that. Yeah, I'm, I'm very excited for
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  that. OK, so the first movie, by the
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  way, we've not watched any of these.
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  OK, that's interesting. I don't know, maybe we can watch
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  some of these. The Pope's Exorcist.
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  Now this one was on my mind. Did you do this because?
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  Our buddy Russell Crowe. Yeah, because Russell Crowe and
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  because I consistently refer to Parker is not Russell Crowe.
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  Every time we launch this I. Didn't, but that's a good
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  connection right there. OK.
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  And we're getting somewhere so yeah.
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  The Pope's Exorcist released April 5th, 2023 with an $18
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  million budget. Worldwide growth 77,000,006.1 on
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  IMDb. I believe they're doing a sequel
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  to it. They are.
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  I whenever I saw that that was announced and I saw him as I
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  guess he is the Pope's exorcist, I'm going to assume I thought
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  that it was. It looked like it was just going
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  to be a dud. I wanted.
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  Two people to like it. He survived the ending of
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  Unhinged, had a religious awakening, and he actually
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  discovered he was possessed the whole time, so he learned about
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  exorcism. And I want this one to start
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  with him. With with a Texas accent, no.
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  No, Start with the accent that he had throughout most of that
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  movie and then shift to a Texas Southern accent.
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  That's how you know the demon's back.
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  There we go, All right, the next movie was The Nun 2 We.
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  Haven't even seen the first one. Yeah, we haven't even seen the
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  first one. I don't know.
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  I got enough of it in The Conjuring 2.
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  I didn't need a whole movie about it, personally.
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  Creepy, but I think it's better you sparingly rather than making
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  a full movie focused on it that. That franchise knows nothing
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  about moderation. No.
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  That's why we have 7 Annabelle movies.
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  Yeah, they were supposed to do more spin offs too.
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  So we're going to have one of the Crooked Man, and that never
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  materialized, I don't think. The Crooked Man I could see
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  being a creepy one. Yeah, but the but.
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  Also. There for like 5 seconds.
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  Yeah, I'm also worried that they would do like.
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  So I have complicated feelings about the movie Mama because I
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  think it's excellent until you actually see Mama, and then it
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  ruins it because it looks like Return the Slob and I just can't
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  with it. Yeah, you gotta be careful.
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  So I feel like the Crooked Man. Yeah, it would have to really,
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  really thread that needle. We've already seen vaguely what
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  the Crooked Man looks like, and we don't need to see more than
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  that. But I think we can have a little
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  bit of creepiness with it. I.
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  Think he could? Maybe like an 80 minute movie.
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  Yeah. If you do short and kind of
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  don't have him on screen a whole lot, then yeah.
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  Once again, The Conjuring franchise.
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  They just fucking can't. They got no chill.
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  They Yeah. So The Nun 2 released September
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  8th 23 with a $38.5 million budgets worldwide gross 269 and
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  a half million dollars IMDb 5.6. So that's why they make a bunch
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  of them. Yeah, I mean I.
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  Get it? It makes money and it's also one
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  of those franchises that you don't have to be like a horror
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  fan to enjoy. It's very entry level, like
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  casual horror, and that's not to like.
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  I'm not. Or anything like that.
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  Like, no. And I'm not saying anything
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  about people that love that franchise.
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  I'm just saying it's a more accessible kind of horror movie.
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  Like next week we're talking about society.
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  That's not for everyone. No, I wouldn't recommend it to
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  everyone. I would, I will.
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  I'm going to. Everybody needs to watch that.
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  Movie, but yeah, it's just it's it's one of those.
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  OK, so for our final movie we have one that I am just morbidly
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  curious to watch. Oh boy.
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  The Exorcist believer. Oh, I am very curious about it.
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  I know you're a little bit, you're kind of protective of
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  David Gordon Green. I'm not necessarily protective
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  of him. I'm a little bit wary of this
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  stuff now. OK, well, you were protective of
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  him after the first couple of Halloween movies when people
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  started getting upset, and then you saw ends and you didn't like
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  that. But you also know that he works
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  on registers, gemstones. So I feel like you've been more
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  in defense of him than a lot of people.
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  No, yeah, he's he's done Pineapple Express.
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  Love that movie. He did Halloween 2018 and
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  Halloween Kills, who love both of those Righteous Gemstones are
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  amazing series, but he really fucking dropped the ball hard
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  with Halloween Ends and that really kind of tarnished how I
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  look at him. And then he did this right here
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  and I've not seen it. So I would like to give it a
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  fair shake, but I've never been one that's been huge on the
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  Exorcist franchise anyway. So it's not like I'm going to be
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  like Halloween ends, be pissed off about what they're doing
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  with Isuzu or whatever. You know, like I, I think I'll
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  be OK if they get a little bit experimental with it.
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  I don't know, I might like it, but a lot of people hate this
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  one. Let's get into that.
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  So that released October 6th, 2020.
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  Three, $30 million budget, $137 million gross and a 4.8 on IMDb.
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  So it's kind of like right there down the middle.
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  And again, The Exorcist is one of those movies.
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  It's seen as a classic and a lot of people that aren't even
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  horror fans have seen it. Yeah.
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  So that's. It's one of the biggest movies,
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  like horror movies ever. Yeah.
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  So we'll give it a shot one day. OK, so I've got tag lines just.
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  Multiple 20. The most?
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  Technical of multiple. Which is technically true?
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  The best kind I. Don't what?
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  Yours didn't. No, Travis, I hope you, I hope
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  you stretched before that reach. OK, the first one is witness the
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  return of Jigsaw. Now this one I have a problem
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  with because because. It's a.
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  Well, Jigsaw never went anywhere.
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  Jigsaw is like an ongoing thing. Jigsaw was also Amanda.
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  It was also Hoffman. It's also the fucking guy we
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  forgot about in Jigsaw the movie.
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  Named Jigsaw, yeah. So, you know, like it could be
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  anything. Now the return of John Kramer.
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  Different thing. Yeah, but also because it's
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  falling in a completely different place in the timeline,
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  that makes it confusing too 'cause are we talking about it
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  in or out of universe? Like if we're talking about it
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  out of universe, like us as an audience, if this is 1/4 wall
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  breaky tagline, then yeah, OK. Return of Jigsaw to theaters.
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  It's only been like a two year break, but it's fine.
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  I I. Think that that's what they're
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  going for, which, yeah, you're right.
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  It's kind of absurd. Like, whoa, we're really
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  bringing them back this time. Like you guys never let them go.
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  They were talking about that on pod lead on the Cycle 23.
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  VH One picked up the series and they've tried to make it like it
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  was this big deal, but it was like less than a year break
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  between Cycle 22 and Cycle 23. You know what?
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  Now that you're. Seeing this this is.
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  Actually making me a little bit more upset with this because
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  we've had him in every fucking movie since he died except for
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  Spiral. That's the only one he's not
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  been in. It's not that.
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  Big and he almost was in. Give us the Kramer cash cut.
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  Oh yeah, the Kramer cash cut. Oh, man.
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  Go. Just go listen to our Spiral
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  episode for details on that. Yeah, yeah.
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  That even if you don't like the movie, you might like our
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  coverage. I don't know.
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  OK, so the second one very much makes me think that they were
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  speaking as like out of universe.
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  To the audience. Yeah, because this one says the
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  10th chapter cuts through time. OK, Yeah, I I appreciate that
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  straightforwardness. Like here we go.
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  Yeah, you. Got to tell you guys because
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  they never, like, outright say it.
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  Yeah, I mean, they have like, dead characters, but this is
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  like Saw. So like, that's not really
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  anything new to most people. I'm going to say like, I find it
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  very refreshing when they're upfront about what a movie is
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  like. So letting us know that we're
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  it's not linear from what we've had so far.
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  So I appreciate that because there have been a couple of
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  movies that have been like with the Mean Girls musical, it was
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  not marketed as a musical. So if you didn't know it was a
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  musical, you weren't going to know it was a musical.
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  That really surprised me because that was like the whole thing.
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  And and spoiler for our Patreon episode, but same with the
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  Strangers chapter one. For everybody out there, it's a
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  remake. I did not know this.
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  Travis knew this. Because of this, we had very
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  different expectations and experiences of seeing it I'm.
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  Kind of shocked that I was the only person that knew that.
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  Yeah, you were the only one. We had an entire row of people I
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  none of us knew. I outright avoided things about
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  that movie and I knew that. Like, I don't know, I thought
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  that everybody knew that, but I. Guess no.
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  The only thing I'd seen was like witness the origin of the
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  Strangers, so I assumed it was a prequel.
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  Not so. This isn't that episode.
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  Yeah, we'll save it for our Patriot, but I'm just saying
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  it's refreshing to hear a tagline where it's like, by the
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  way, we've got John Kramer back and we're going back in time.
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  I I like that. Although maybe somebody would
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  not that that's not really outright saying it.
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  That's maybe somebody's like, man, they're getting real
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  ambitious. They're like actually taking on
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  time travel this time. I don't know, like maybe that's
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  what somebody could think. They're like they're doing time
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  travel instead of going to outer space like, which is what you're
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  supposed to do on the 10th installment.
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  We've all bought into the bullshit that John Kramer is
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  able to make these fucking mechanisms out of fucking toilet
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  paper. But, you know, like, let's all
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  just kind of agreed that he could maybe accomplish time
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  travel too. I mean, maybe.
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  We we don't know. OK, fun facts.
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  So all this right here is from the documentary, the making of
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  documentary that's on the 4K. So they did a whole deep dive.
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  Straight from the horses mouth. Straight from their mouths.
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  Nay. So saw nine was what this was
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  originally gonna be. So the original.
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  So they were just gonna kick out Spiral completely?
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  Well, OK, so saw 9 back in January 2018, Josh Stolberg and
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  Pete Goldfinger were working on this.
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  Movie. Yeah, I talked about that when
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  we discussed Spiral. Which is why I was kind of
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  surprised that you said that. So you.
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  Literally told us about this like.
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  Listen, I'm going to cut through time and remember when I spoke
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  about this and now I feel like a dumb dumb, so it's OK.
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  So okay, yeah, Saw Nine, it was going to be Saw Nine that the
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  original title was Saw Nine, John Kramer, That's what this
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  movie was. Going to be called.
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  They were going to give it in a subtitle.
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  Yeah, so they were. They were in the process of
• 19:35
  getting it written like they had already begun work on this.
• 19:39
  And then out of nowhere, Chris Rock comes up to them and he's
• 19:43
  like, hey, I love Saw movies. I love what you guys do.
• 19:47
  I really want to be one. I want to be a Saw movie.
• 19:54
  Yeah, I want to be. That guy I want to be a.
• 19:56
  Planet can I like somehow become like morph into a real with you
• 20:03
  guys? Can I be real with you all right
• 20:05
  now? Oh my God, Travis.
• 20:08
  I'm sorry. OK, Back on course.
• 20:11
  So, yeah, he's like, all right, I really want to be in a Saw
• 20:13
  movie. Can we make this happen?
• 20:15
  Only thing is I've got a very specific window of time where
• 20:19
  I've got like, we got to do this if we're going to do it.
• 20:22
  So they're like, OK, fuck, we got to do Chris Rock.
• 20:25
  I mean, Chris Rock wants to work with you.
• 20:28
  You say yes. So that's what they did.
• 20:30
  They're like, OK, we're going to table this and we're just going
• 20:32
  to like, we know that we're going to maybe release this
• 20:35
  someday down the line. So they also kind of worked on
• 20:37
  it throughout the process of working on Spiral.
• 20:39
  So yeah, that's how that came to be.
• 20:41
  That's why it's 10. Kevin Groiter was super relieved
• 20:45
  that this movie had no cop stuff in the script.
• 20:48
  He's apparently he's been very vocal about it with everybody
• 20:52
  for a long time. He's like, yeah, the cop stuff,
• 20:54
  like I'm kind of getting tired of.
• 20:55
  It's really bogging us down. Now that we don't have to deal
• 20:58
  with cops, we can really kind of explore things and have a little
• 21:00
  bit more fun with the series, I guess.
• 21:02
  He's not a big Kosis fan. Listen, I have a lot of thoughts
• 21:06
  about that 22nd clip of Ghostess.
• 21:10
  I know me too. Tobin Bell, he had a lot of
• 21:13
  input in the writing of his character in this movie, so.
• 21:17
  Here's The thing is that I can tell and it feels like honestly
• 21:21
  the most passionate we've seen him in this franchise since
• 21:24
  maybe like Part 3. He was super into it.
• 21:28
  He actually, they were kind of referring to this as this swan
• 21:31
  song basically of like, they're not saying dude, this dude is
• 21:36
  going to be a part of it as long as he can.
• 21:39
  But I think we can all like have to come to terms with reality
• 21:42
  too. The dude's pretty old.
• 21:44
  Now. Nope.
• 21:44
  You sound like my mom reminded me how old Danny DeVito is.
• 21:48
  I refuse to acknowledge these. Things So yeah, he was like
• 21:51
  really into it. He they gave him, they cleared
• 21:53
  it with him first before they even like worked on this thing.
• 21:57
  They're like, OK, we got to make sure that he's on board.
• 21:59
  I love it when a franchise has respect for an actor who is so
• 22:04
  important to the DNA of it, and I love it when they have that
• 22:07
  kind of like respect and collaboration.
• 22:10
  Well, he was like, he was speaking so glowingly about
• 22:14
  Stolberg and Goldfinger. He's like, they, they brought me
• 22:17
  the script. It was fantastic.
• 22:19
  It was like probably my favorite Saw movie of all time.
• 22:23
  Like he like was really, really on board with it.
• 22:25
  Like, basically, they would have shit written out, but then he
• 22:29
  would come in, he'd be like, all right, well, they all understood
• 22:32
  that he knows the character better than anybody at this
• 22:35
  point. Yeah.
• 22:36
  So they're like, OK, like, he wrote his own dialogue.
• 22:39
  He did all of his shit. And there they said, like, we'll
• 22:42
  start talking about ideas about a movie or about a scene and
• 22:45
  we'll start like ripping on different stuff and like, oh,
• 22:47
  that's actually a really good thing to explore.
• 22:49
  That's what they did with like the whole fishing thing and I.
• 22:51
  Also think that's really smart too.
• 22:53
  When an actor has played a character for so long, they have
• 22:57
  done a ton of work to get into that headspace.
• 23:01
  A lot of times they have imagined their own back, like
• 23:05
  additional pieces of back story that haven't officially been
• 23:07
  written it. At this stage in a franchise, it
• 23:11
  absolutely makes sense to work on it like this.
• 23:14
  He's been John Kramer for two decades at the time.
• 23:16
  Like, you know, he knows him really well.
• 23:18
  So like another interesting thing about this, Amanda wasn't
• 23:21
  originally going to be in it. The only reason that we get
• 23:25
  Amanda is because they needed to explain how John is able to pull
• 23:29
  all of this together by himself. So whenever they had like the
• 23:33
  roped person collecting everybody, they're like, well,
• 23:37
  let's just make that Amanda. So then they did that, and then
• 23:40
  they just really were able to bring her into the fold and like
• 23:43
  as a main character in the movie too.
• 23:45
  Which I think is great because their relationship has always
• 23:47
  been an important part of the franchise, at least the early
• 23:50
  half of the franchise. So having this where this falls
• 23:54
  chronologically, it makes sense to have her there.
• 23:57
  But also I think it's a really good exploration of their
• 24:00
  relationship. Yeah, they were talking about
• 24:03
  it. It was because it's interesting,
• 24:06
  Shawnee was actually kind of talking about like her
• 24:08
  experience with the character too.
• 24:10
  And I guess like Kevin, like, came up to her.
• 24:12
  And it's like, you know what, Like in Saw three, she had a
• 24:16
  really sarcastic attitude towards John.
• 24:19
  And that's when they both kind of thought that maybe she was
• 24:22
  kind of catching on to him that because it was her third test at
• 24:25
  that point. She's been tested three times
• 24:28
  already and she's kind of getting sick of it.
• 24:30
  And like this right here, they were trying to strike a balance
• 24:33
  like, well, she's not necessarily at that point yet.
• 24:37
  She's like she looks at him as like a father type figure type
• 24:40
  deal. And they kind of wanted to still
• 24:42
  do that but also have her question some of his stuff a
• 24:45
  little bit here too. OK.
• 24:47
  So they originally considered the location for Eastern Europe.
• 24:53
  That's where they were going to go.
• 24:54
  They really wanted to get out of Canada.
• 24:57
  They're like, we've been filming all of these.
• 25:00
  They're like they said, we filmed every single one of these
• 25:02
  in Toronto for the longest time. We like, we need to explore a
• 25:06
  different area. I don't know.
• 25:13
  Why? We need to get out of Canada.
• 25:18
  Something about that just. Yeah, it's I, I like it.
• 25:22
  Yeah, like we've been seeing fucking Toronto.
• 25:24
  The entire I, I like having a change of location, just it's
• 25:30
  funny that it was like them being like, we're so sick.
• 25:33
  Yeah, you know. Maybe Kevin Grater felt like he
• 25:37
  couldn't go through customs again with.
• 25:40
  Oh yeah, I don't. Want to?
• 25:41
  See those guys? So they, it was going to be set
• 25:45
  in Prague for a minute. They're going to shoot it in
• 25:47
  Bulgaria, but then they found an amazing location in Mexico, the
• 25:50
  city, and they're like, you know what?
• 25:51
  This is actually really cool. Like let's do that.
• 25:53
  They have a lot of really cool, interesting culture and history
• 25:57
  to explore. They even have influence on the
• 26:00
  traps even. Plus, I'm just gonna say it
• 26:04
  keeps it from being a super white movie.
• 26:06
  That's true, yeah. Which I think saw has always
• 26:09
  like had an element of that diversity.
• 26:13
  So I appreciate that they continued it.
• 26:15
  Yeah, they almost put it in Norway too, since Peterson is
• 26:19
  Norwegian. So yeah, it would also make
• 26:21
  sense to have her. I love the idea of her jumping
• 26:24
  around because she's, like, scamming people, but she's
• 26:27
  saying it's because the surgeries are illegal, which I
• 26:30
  mean, yeah. But yeah, I like that, that it
• 26:33
  added that element to the right because it makes the scam seem
• 26:37
  more believable. You know, if they're jumping
• 26:39
  around from place to place, it's gonna be harder for them to be
• 26:41
  figured out. Because a big thing here lately
• 26:45
  is going to Mexico for cheap surgery, because like, that's
• 26:49
  the thing that people do. It's really expensive up here in
• 26:52
  the United States. You go down to Mexico City, you
• 26:54
  can get it done pretty cheaply. I thought that that's the
• 26:57
  approach that they were doing with this, but no, they went in.
• 26:59
  Like a whole other direction, it is still cost prohibitive.
• 27:05
  You have to be a civil engineer with a massive fortune to be
• 27:09
  able to afford this fake surgery.
• 27:12
  So during the making of this, they really wanted to capture
• 27:15
  the film of the earlier movies. So all those movies were shot on
• 27:20
  film before and they really didn't want to do that again
• 27:23
  because shooting on film is super inconsistent in today's
• 27:27
  world. So they just did everything in
• 27:31
  their power to make it feel like that.
• 27:34
  So they emulated like camera tricks that were big at that
• 27:37
  time that they would use. They tried to emulate the
• 27:39
  lighting that they used. They put in the exact same
• 27:42
  aspect ratio of those past movies.
• 27:44
  And like the cinematographer was also like saying he was really
• 27:48
  influenced by genre filming techniques.
• 27:51
  It did feel grittier in a way that the last like visually in a
• 27:56
  way that the last few haven't. Yeah, I I really appreciate it.
• 28:00
  I I like the look at this movie a lot.
• 28:02
  Yeah. And it and it does kind of take
• 28:04
  you back in that time to when it would have been set like in
• 28:07
  terms of chronology. Yeah, they wanted all the traps
• 28:10
  to be stuff that you could like be made from, stuff that you
• 28:14
  could pick up at a Home Depot. Now, a lot of this stuff is very
• 28:18
  complex, so I don't necessarily feel like that translated so
• 28:22
  much. Chromatome and a radiation
• 28:25
  machine are things you can pick up at a Home Depot.
• 28:27
  I think you can maybe pick up the components of that.
• 28:30
  I don't really think you can pick up that machine
• 28:32
  specifically, but I think John Cramer can get the tools he
• 28:35
  needs to make that stuff. Like, I'm at the point of
• 28:37
  suspending disbelief for what he can do in terms of his
• 28:41
  engineering brain. I just, I just read with it.
• 28:44
  But don't say that you can get this shit at a Home Depot.
• 28:47
  Yeah, thanks. Home Depot.
• 28:50
  And like a cool thing is, they did a lot of shots in
• 28:54
  preparation of the MPAA telling them to cut it down, tone it
• 28:58
  down in case that they were going to get an NC 17.
• 29:01
  But everything they shot was permitted, so they didn't have
• 29:05
  to worry about that at all with this movie.
• 29:07
  So we get the glorious. Version.
• 29:08
  I love that. And I love that when film makers
• 29:12
  are prepared for the MPAA to be Dicks, so they shoot like over
• 29:16
  the top. And then the MPAA that day was
• 29:18
  like, whatever. Well, Kevin Greuter said, Like,
• 29:20
  he approached me as like, I've been an editor, I've been a
• 29:24
  director. I know exactly what it or what's
• 29:27
  needed to be able to get what you need.
• 29:29
  And he's like, like, a lot of times I can't really get
• 29:31
  everything, but I can get enough.
• 29:33
  So you got to like, plan ahead for that.
• 29:35
  Like, all right, well, I don't have to reshoot that now.
• 29:37
  I've already got the shy of the toned down version of it.
• 29:40
  Let's just roll that out. It saves a lot of time and
• 29:43
  effort. And that's pretty much it.
• 29:46
  I didn't finish the documentary because it was like an hour and
• 29:48
  47 minutes and we had shit we had to do.
• 29:50
  Yeah. But yeah.
• 29:53
  So that that's the stuff that I got for fun Facts.
• 29:55
  So let's talk about how we feel about this movie.
• 29:58
  Jesse, you kick it off. What's the good?
• 30:01
  I love that this is a different kind of story.
• 30:07
  It I mean, it's still people who have personally pissed off John
• 30:09
  Kramer, which is where we were getting with a lot of it.
• 30:12
  And but it it it's in such a different way.
• 30:16
  And I think this is the first film that has really made you
• 30:19
  empathize with Jigsaw in any kind of a real way.
• 30:24
  And they've actually made a villain worse than him.
• 30:27
  And I feel, I feel I have complicated feelings about it
• 30:30
  because he's a monster and I'm not condoning what he's doing.
• 30:36
  But this is the first time that you actually kind of get his
• 30:39
  anger. And especially because like, he
• 30:42
  gives Carlos the money at the end and he like, you know, and
• 30:46
  he's, you know, talking about it's not just him, it's all of
• 30:49
  the people that have been scammed.
• 30:51
  But so far, he hasn't found anybody else that's been
• 30:53
  scammed. It's just been him because
• 30:55
  everybody else he's encountered, we're part of the scam.
• 31:00
  And all they checked the other people, they've all died.
• 31:02
  There was 34 patients that she worked on before, but
• 31:05
  everybody's already passed away since then.
• 31:08
  Yeah, and I, I love that thing that he said about like, you
• 31:13
  know, the worst thing you can do is prey on somebody's hope.
• 31:16
  Again, I'm not doing anything to like exalt John Kramer, but
• 31:22
  that's such a very real thing because praying on somebody's
• 31:26
  hope that's it's malicious. I they called out, I like that
• 31:32
  the writers are fully aware of this about him, but they said
• 31:36
  that they thought that that line was funny because he says that
• 31:41
  they're killing with hope. That's what they're doing.
• 31:43
  And they're like, you're kind of doing the exact same thing.
• 31:46
  You're giving people this impression of like hope that you
• 31:50
  can make it out of this trap. And you can sometimes, but a lot
• 31:54
  of times you're just like killing these people outright.
• 31:57
  See, I see it differently because the people that go
• 31:59
  through with his games, it's not hope, it's desperation.
• 32:02
  That's true too. Yeah.
• 32:03
  I feel like there's a fine line there, which is where I didn't
• 32:07
  see him as as much of A hypocrite as he normally is.
• 32:11
  So. Yeah, I, I, I'm not drinking the
• 32:16
  Jigsaw kool-aid. I'm just saying like this is
• 32:20
  it's an interesting way to turn the story on its head and I
• 32:24
  think it breathes some life into it.
• 32:28
  I also love the head cannon that I now have for Kostas appearing
• 32:35
  at the end of the movie because I feel like they forgot about
• 32:41
  Henry. I feel like he was a loose end
• 32:44
  and Coast just heard about them filming, popped in and was like,
• 32:47
  you need to tie up this loose end and I know one way that you
• 32:50
  can do it. I like to imagine that he heard
• 32:54
  about it and he kind of was just like hiding behind set, like
• 32:58
  creaking around, like peeking through the doors.
• 33:00
  Like a cracked board behind a ficus plant.
• 33:03
  Like just peering through. He's like Spaghett and yeah, and
• 33:06
  Eric's skin. He's just like kind of watching
• 33:09
  them make the movie. He's like, alright, when are
• 33:10
  they going to call me? When?
• 33:12
  When's my scene? I'm sorry, I don't see my call
• 33:15
  time on this sheet. And then, like, he kind of
• 33:18
  George Costanzes himself in there and he just kind of like,
• 33:20
  shows up on set one day. He's like, oh, right.
• 33:22
  So this is the part where my character like, yeah, remembers
• 33:25
  that guy, right? You guys remember that guy,
• 33:27
  right? And then he heard that Tobin
• 33:29
  Bell wrote his own dialogue. He's like, I'm going to write my
• 33:31
  own dialogue. I heard the kids talk about epic
• 33:33
  bad luck. So there we go.
• 33:36
  Kosis is hip. The I liked it because it was,
• 33:40
  like everybody said, epic in that era.
• 33:44
  I know it was very accurate for that time.
• 33:46
  Also love it because it's that little flair of over the top
• 33:50
  nonsense that his era of the franchise is and it's great.
• 33:55
  I am as stupid as the line is, it's perfect.
• 33:59
  I love it I guess. All right, the cat's out of the
• 34:01
  bag now. I've been playing, you know,
• 34:03
  dumb right throughout this whole coverage about how, you know,
• 34:07
  maybe we'll get closest, maybe we won't.
• 34:08
  We do we get a. Little Yeah, Travis really tried
• 34:11
  to like, let the people that haven't seen this movie catch
• 34:13
  up. Well, I mean, you know, like
• 34:16
  it's still a fairly recent release.
• 34:18
  Now you're listening to the episode, now we can talk all
• 34:20
  about it. Yeah, he's, he's in here for a
• 34:23
  fucking minute. Not even.
• 34:25
  Yeah, but, you know, like I I appreciate his presence here
• 34:31
  because, you know, he was missed.
• 34:33
  I I missed that man. Yeah.
• 34:35
  All right. You got any more goods?
• 34:37
  That was I think that was the the main ones.
• 34:41
  OK. Yeah.
• 34:42
  I mean, I agree with pretty much everything that you said.
• 34:45
  I like the setup. A lot of this I will.
• 34:48
  I mean, it feels nice to have because like a lot of the time
• 34:52
  you don't necessarily feel like the people that are in the traps
• 34:57
  really deserve it. I mean, sometimes they do,
• 34:59
  sometimes they are assholes, but this time they give you a group
• 35:02
  of people like they are deliberately making you hate.
• 35:05
  Them. Yes, they have made a series of
• 35:07
  conscious choices. They're not making them
• 35:10
  sympathetic. No.
• 35:12
  Which, you know, is an interesting thing that really
• 35:16
  hasn't been explored in the song movie until now.
• 35:19
  And also, it's never been done that John and Amanda are the
• 35:23
  protagonists. Especially John.
• 35:26
  They were talking like this is the most screen time that he's
• 35:29
  had in his own movies. Like he's got at least three
• 35:34
  previous movies worth of screen time in this one movie.
• 35:36
  Like it's all about him and it's kind of cool.
• 35:40
  Like we get like a whole character study of this guy that
• 35:43
  is really complex and he's there's a lot to explore there.
• 35:49
  I think the effects and the traps that were in this movie.
• 35:52
  Oh my God, such gnarly. I like that they kind of have a
• 35:57
  little, a lot of them have like a call back to other traps and
• 36:01
  other moments in the franchise, but they're they're completely
• 36:04
  own spin on them. Yeah, like the craniotomy thing.
• 36:09
  I that's my favorite. That was the first one that they
• 36:12
  came up with too. And then also Gabriella.
• 36:16
  The radiation. Her having to smash her foot to
• 36:20
  get out of the shackle. That's what I was thinking about
• 36:22
  that too. Yeah, that's what Don Wahlberg
• 36:24
  does. Yeah.
• 36:27
  Yeah, Don. Donnie Wahlberg.
• 36:30
  Donnie what? The fuck?
• 36:31
  Is this an actual name in the movie?
• 36:33
  I can't remember Matthews. Yeah, yeah.
• 36:37
  OK. So yeah, I mean, there's like a
• 36:39
  lot of that stuff there. They did a lot of good with this
• 36:42
  movie. I'm really happy with it.
• 36:44
  So what are some bad things? Amanda's wig.
• 36:47
  Yeah, Amanda's. That was like what the fuck?
• 36:51
  I get that. Like OK, at this point in the
• 36:53
  franchise she would have had the short hair because shortly after
• 36:55
  is when they do the house trap and she had short hair.
• 36:58
  Then I get that and I get her not wanting to cut her actual
• 37:02
  hair for it. I'm on board with that.
• 37:03
  What the fuck is it? It's not like it's distractingly
• 37:08
  bad in a way that like I every time she's on to I'm like they
• 37:13
  didn't even attempt to style the wig.
• 37:16
  They did nothing with it. It's just it looks bad and.
• 37:19
  That's one of my things with this movie too, is like you're
• 37:22
  taking these people there 20 years older and trying to put
• 37:24
  them back in that time and you're not putting a whole lot
• 37:27
  of effort in de aging them at. All yeah and like.
• 37:29
  Don't do the fucking AI shit that they do with the Marvel
• 37:32
  movies. I don't like that, but like,
• 37:34
  makeup or something. Yeah, I don't know, Like they
• 37:37
  look their real age. Yeah, and that's not because a
• 37:41
  lot of people were shitting on Shawnee Smith.
• 37:43
  She looks fantastic for her age. No, she does.
• 37:46
  But she does also just like she looks her age.
• 37:48
  And that's we need to have a talk about people not
• 37:52
  understanding that human being's age because it's a thing.
• 37:55
  She's guarantee she looks better than a lot of the people that
• 37:59
  are talking shit. No, it's totally fine.
• 38:01
  I all I mean I like that they can do this because.
• 38:04
  Yes. You you have to come with like a
• 38:06
  suspension. Yeah, like, absolutely.
• 38:09
  What, you know, like these are characters.
• 38:10
  They're not like you just got to like roll with it, but at the
• 38:14
  same time. Bell even looks older than he
• 38:16
  did and he was already like. But he sounds old too, like a
• 38:19
  like his voice is like this. Yeah, and like kind.
• 38:22
  Of sounds like a strong whenever you like.
• 38:24
  This is a tracheotomy. And I feel like at least with
• 38:26
  him, they can kind of like, ride it off like, oh, he's in the
• 38:28
  throes of his, like, final stages with cancer.
• 38:32
  But. We go to saw three.
• 38:34
  Yeah, he's like a totally. Is noticeably 20 years younger.
• 38:37
  Yeah, yeah, no. And it's one of those things
• 38:42
  that like, if you don't watch the movies back-to-back, like
• 38:46
  maybe you can ride it off, but you can't ride off that fucking
• 38:48
  wig, dude. You just can't.
• 38:50
  I mean, like, I'm totally OK with them doing it, but I'm just
• 38:54
  like, it's you got to critique it in some way.
• 38:56
  Like it does take you out of it a little bit when you like step
• 38:59
  back. Like damn, like it's really been
• 39:02
  20 years. Also, I don't like some of the
• 39:05
  dialogue they wrote for Cecilia. I feel like some of it just
• 39:09
  comes across forced, like jig fucking saw.
• 39:12
  Yeah, like it sounds like because she is evil, she is
• 39:19
  evil. We don't have to try so hard
• 39:21
  with her dialogue. Yeah, they they did that with
• 39:25
  Sears because they were originally going to have Sears
• 39:29
  be more like villainous and be more into the idea of like
• 39:34
  killing the kid. But they're like, let's dial
• 39:38
  that back a little bit. Let's make him realize that
• 39:41
  Cecilia is a little bit more twisted than he is, and he's not
• 39:44
  necessarily wanting to go where she's going with it.
• 39:47
  But they went full out with her and yeah, her dialogue is kind
• 39:51
  of a little bit there. Let's Did you have a bad?
• 39:57
  I'm kind of just rolling with you.
• 39:58
  I mean, my bad was the fact that it kind of takes you out of it
• 40:01
  with their obvious age difference compared to when the
• 40:06
  timeline is supposed to be. But.
• 40:09
  You know, it's whatever. It's not like a big bat or
• 40:11
  anything like that. Yeah, ugly stuff.
• 40:14
  Ugly definitely. So two prong.
• 40:18
  One is like healthcare being so piss poor that like you have to
• 40:24
  seek alternative methods and it makes you susceptible to these
• 40:28
  types of scams. And the other is that these
• 40:30
  types of scams exist. I don't know necessarily that
• 40:35
  they exist precisely like this, but I mean it's any type of a
• 40:41
  scam prays off of that hope that people have like look at any MLM
• 40:47
  out there. They're telling like people that
• 40:49
  they can get rich working from home part time and it's all a
• 40:52
  lie to get the people at the top richer.
• 40:57
  You know, think about cults. It's all like a hope that like
• 41:01
  life will be better after this and it again, it's just a way
• 41:06
  for the other person to get money and power and it's gross
• 41:13
  and it's ugly that it exists. Yeah, that's my thing.
• 41:16
  Like I, I hate that they, I hate seeing shit where people get
• 41:21
  taken advantage of like that. It's like the same thing with
• 41:24
  the scam callers that prey on older people.
• 41:26
  Oh my God, yeah, absolutely. That shit drives me crazy.
• 41:31
  I've there's one dude out there, I don't know his name, but he is
• 41:35
  a fucking hero. He makes it.
• 41:38
  He has a whole channel. He all he does is he, he has
• 41:41
  like this device that modulates his voice to sound like an old
• 41:45
  woman and he takes these scam callers from India like over,
• 41:51
  you know, they're trying to get you to get like Google cards or
• 41:54
  whatever. He he's able to like he just
• 41:58
  fucks with them and just strings them out for like an hour and
• 42:01
  then he like he makes them full on meltdown.
• 42:04
  He'll sometimes like take control of their screen and fuck
• 42:09
  up their shit. Yeah, it's amazing.
• 42:11
  But like, that's like John Cramer and White right there.
• 42:14
  Well, I mean, like, we even see that.
• 42:16
  So if you have Medicaid or Medicare, you're still prey to
• 42:19
  somebody calling you and telling you, oh, hey, this is going to
• 42:21
  be a much better plan. I've been.
• 42:24
  I get those. Calls.
• 42:25
  It turns out it cannot be a much better plan, and you might be
• 42:28
  shit out of luck with your coverage because you've agreed
• 42:31
  to it. Because somebody that said they
• 42:33
  were a professional and that they knew what your needs were
• 42:35
  told you that it's fine. You know, I get those calls.
• 42:38
  I don't know why because I'm nowhere near that age, but as
• 42:42
  soon as they say Medicare, like I just saying to the phone, fuck
• 42:46
  off and I hang up. Like it's just like, I'm not
• 42:48
  going to like deal with that shit.
• 42:50
  Yeah. OK, what are absurds from this
• 42:54
  movie? Oh, man, the absurds.
• 42:58
  Here's here's mine. Is that they have this whole
• 43:02
  elaborate set up. Presumably they actually take
• 43:05
  his blood. You know, they do all of this.
• 43:09
  They get him set up. They do put him under.
• 43:11
  They hold a razor up to his head.
• 43:18
  They don't shave his head. What?
• 43:20
  If. Have a little bit more
• 43:21
  commitment to the bitch. I like the idea, though, that
• 43:24
  they didn't actually have like the everything's plugged in
• 43:27
  already. They had limited power supplies
• 43:29
  there. So they're like, all right, we
• 43:31
  got to just make the sound brand.
• 43:34
  Making it. He's already like under heavy
• 43:37
  medication at that point, Like, you know, he's not going to be
• 43:39
  questioning it. Yeah, OK, Yeah, they could have
• 43:43
  just shaved his head, but maybe that was where Tobin Bell drew
• 43:46
  the line. He's like, Jigsaw wouldn't do
• 43:48
  that. John would not do that.
• 43:51
  Totally, totally. He just didn't want to have bald
• 43:54
  have bald head. That's fair day.
• 43:55
  Yeah, that's legit. I get it.
• 43:57
  Matteo had to have a bald spot. They they actually did talk
• 44:02
  about that too. They were originally going to
• 44:07
  shave his head for that, but the special effects people didn't
• 44:12
  want to do that mostly because like they did it out of concern
• 44:16
  for him. Like, well, maybe he doesn't
• 44:18
  want to be bald. And also they're like, it could
• 44:22
  be weird for continuity, like doing shots like that.
• 44:26
  And they just wanted to be a little bit more authentic.
• 44:28
  So like they just they built a prosthetic head for him?
• 44:31
  That and honestly that's probably easier for them to work
• 44:34
  with too, rather than try and like make it all look flat and
• 44:38
  even on a partially shaped head. It worked better overall too,
• 44:41
  because Mateo was like the actor was actually able to use his
• 44:44
  hand, just stand over himself and do the surgery part.
• 44:47
  And so it worked out OK. My absurds.
• 44:51
  First one is staged kidnapping at the beginning there where
• 44:56
  they're bringing him to the place like why?
• 44:58
  He's already like on board. You don't have to like do this
• 45:00
  fucking thing where you're like you blind side them.
• 45:04
  Before, when we talked about I know what you did last summer,
• 45:08
  but something about seeing scared old men makes me want to
• 45:11
  cry. And seeing John actually,
• 45:14
  actually scared, I was like, oh. Yeah, yeah.
• 45:18
  You kind of feel bad for him there for a second.
• 45:24
  I next one is a wife coach John Kramer, and that is kind of what
• 45:28
  he's like. I'm somewhat of a life coach.
• 45:29
  Somewhat of a life coach. Yeah.
• 45:31
  You know, I thought that that was kind of.
• 45:32
  Funny, what is his Yelp rating? I like where Amanda says he's
• 45:38
  speaking metaphorically. He does that a lot.
• 45:42
  I thought that that was going to be your intro.
• 45:46
  And then the final thing is they.
• 45:48
  Can I say what my intro was going to be before I remembered
• 45:51
  about epic bad luck? Yeah.
• 45:53
  Let's see, where is it? I don't care what the fucking
• 45:59
  thing is called, Cecilia. Yeah, I like that too.
• 46:03
  Yeah, she, like, actually corrects them.
• 46:05
  Like, this is not the time. Cecilia don't do that shit right
• 46:08
  now. I have to cut my fucking head
• 46:10
  open. The final thing I have is they
• 46:12
  do one thing that they make fun of in Breaking Bad and in Better
• 46:17
  Call Saul is like the second that you get everything yellow
• 46:21
  tinted, you know, you're in Mexico.
• 46:24
  Like if you ever are watching Breaking Bad and all of a sudden
• 46:27
  things go yellow and you're like, OK, we're in Mexico now.
• 46:30
  We missed somebody called Tortuga.
• 46:32
  Tortuga, that is Danny Trejo, I know.
• 46:35
  Yeah. He could have shown up in this
• 46:37
  movie. God, Can you imagine Danny Trejo
• 46:39
  in a Saw movie? I think that would have maybe
• 46:41
  taken me out of it a little bit. I can handle them being a little
• 46:45
  bit aged up, but Danny Trejo walking up in there, I don't
• 46:49
  know about that. OK, so let's rate it.
• 46:53
  What do you rate this out of 10? Saw ten.
• 46:57
  Saw 10. You giving it?
• 46:59
  Ten. I'm giving it A10.
• 47:01
  I fucking love this movie, OK? I think it's amazing.
• 47:05
  God, I I kind of thought about maybe taking mine up there, but
• 47:10
  I think I might need. It's a really fucking good song
• 47:14
  movie. It is one of the better ones.
• 47:18
  Put me at 925 for now. God, you can't just leave me
• 47:22
  with easy math can. You.
• 47:23
  No, that's what you got for going on all 10. 9.625.
• 47:28
  That's really, really good. All right.
• 47:31
  Are we ready to discuss? We are ready to discuss.
• 47:34
  OK, so it starts off with, again, another Breaking Bad
• 47:39
  moment. I said.
• 47:40
  He's all John. He's all Walter White in the MRI
• 47:42
  machine. That's what it is.
• 47:44
  See, I I couldn't remember what it was called, so I just wrote
• 47:47
  down John and big scan machine and then I wrote Cat scan.
• 47:58
  I just don't know. So like right off the bat, this
• 48:04
  movie had me on my toes. I love the very real thing where
• 48:10
  he asked the tech if they can give any news and the tech
• 48:14
  can't. Like that's the thing.
• 48:16
  And I know people are like, but surely they they can see stuff.
• 48:20
  They're legally not allowed to diagnose that.
• 48:23
  Like they do not have the right license for that.
• 48:25
  They are not allowed to. They could get fired and sued so
• 48:29
  fast. Yeah, you don't want to like,
• 48:30
  give that false information for sure.
• 48:32
  I mean, that's kind of like the whole thing with him.
• 48:34
  He got false information and kind of fucked him over.
• 48:37
  He goes to a support group for cancer patients with terminal
• 48:43
  diagnosis, and they give the old platitude of today as a gift.
• 48:47
  That's why they call it the present.
• 48:49
  And for some people, sayings like that are very helpful for
• 48:52
  them. For me, if somebody said that
• 48:54
  shit to me, I'd want to punch them.
• 48:56
  Yeah. And.
• 48:56
  This is like a terrible time for me right now.
• 48:58
  This is not a present. Henry Kessler is another member
• 49:03
  of this group. He's got stage 4 pancreatic
• 49:05
  cancer, and he's said he's planning to fight this shit to
• 49:08
  the end. Yeah.
• 49:09
  He also said terminal so like, shit's not.
• 49:11
  Working good? Well, Stage 4 generally is not
• 49:14
  what you want to hear. Well, he specified.
• 49:16
  I, I don't know, maybe I thought that that was something worth.
• 49:18
  Stage 4 usually means that it's medic, medicised, medicised,
• 49:24
  medicised. That's one of those words I
• 49:26
  can't say I it means it's spread I.
• 49:28
  Got you. I got you.
• 49:31
  OK, so now John is meeting with his doctor and he asked how much
• 49:35
  time he has left and he says a year or less.
• 49:37
  You got months. Yeah.
• 49:39
  And he's like, I've got work to finish.
• 49:42
  Then as he's walking out, he stops for some water and he sees
• 49:45
  a custodian in the room of somebody who is asleep.
• 49:50
  Not sure if it's medically induced or if they're just
• 49:52
  sleepy and he opens the drawer and is looking to take like
• 49:57
  their wallet and jewelry and John brain.
• 50:00
  Blasts. I like that he like we get to
• 50:03
  see. He just daydreams about this
• 50:05
  stuff. Like he's like, man, I could do
• 50:08
  this whole thing where like I suck his eyes out and I make him
• 50:11
  like I tear his fingers up because he's about to take that.
• 50:14
  Shit breaking them sticky thingies.
• 50:17
  Yeah, so this is like one of the coolest traps in the movie.
• 50:20
  It's all over the poster. This is what everybody was
• 50:23
  expecting. And I like that we still see it
• 50:26
  even though it's not real. I do too, but I also.
• 50:30
  Feels cheap to do something like that, but I think this time
• 50:33
  because we are getting such a character study of John Cramer
• 50:35
  that it's. I I appreciate it, but at the
• 50:38
  same time I was a little bit bummed that it wasn't real.
• 50:41
  Like a warning. Like I thought that we just like
• 50:43
  quick cut to him. He's like, all right, you're
• 50:44
  fucking done. But no, like he's just like he
• 50:48
  fantasizes about the whole thing, like the eyes getting
• 50:50
  sucked out. His fingers are like torn up.
• 50:52
  Here's the thing. Because then the custodian sees
• 50:55
  John and it's like, oh, I shouldn't be doing this.
• 51:00
  Closes the drawer and John congratulates him.
• 51:02
  Honest choice. Which to me says that maybe you
• 51:05
  don't have to break people's fingers or rip out their
• 51:08
  eyeballs to maybe convince them that they were doing something
• 51:11
  wrong. Just a thought.
• 51:12
  Just a thought. Stare at them.
• 51:15
  You know, that actually seems like less work than doing all
• 51:18
  this like shit with the traps. Seems like you'd save a lot of
• 51:22
  time and effort. And money.
• 51:25
  OK, so now he's out at the cafe and he's working on his will.
• 51:30
  And then he manages to run into Henry, who's also there, just
• 51:33
  getting a coffee. He just kind of is in a good
• 51:36
  mood and he's. Like, all right, we find out
• 51:38
  this is four months later and Henry's in remission.
• 51:41
  He talks about Doctor Finn Peterson who has like this
• 51:44
  special method where it's like a drug cocktail plus a surgery and
• 51:49
  then he shows this real gnarly scar in his tum tum.
• 51:52
  It's an experimental treatment. It's not been cleared by the FDA
• 51:55
  or anybody for that matter. Yeah.
• 51:58
  So you have to leave the country to do it.
• 52:00
  And he gives him a link. It's the petersonproject.net.
• 52:03
  I think that they actually had this as an active website during
• 52:06
  promotion of the film. Oh, that would have been cool.
• 52:09
  I I don't remember any more details beyond that, but I feel
• 52:12
  like I remember reading that it was.
• 52:13
  I think you could go to. Really like the attention to
• 52:16
  detail that they gave it the old browser.
• 52:20
  Yeah, like, I mean, it's from that era.
• 52:22
  Like, I they did a good job, like attention to detail right
• 52:25
  here. That website even looks old
• 52:27
  school too. Like he goes to the website and
• 52:29
  it's just like blue background with her face like right in the
• 52:33
  middle of it. So he does a little bit of
• 52:36
  research on this and he sees Finn on a like talk show
• 52:42
  explaining what's going on. The page shows his daughter
• 52:44
  talking about the what they're targeting and what their
• 52:48
  treatment methods are. He sends an e-mail and then he
• 52:53
  gets a call from Cecilia in the. Middle of the night.
• 52:56
  Yeah, she has a spot in three months and he's just kind of
• 53:01
  quiet and she goes. You don't have that long, do
• 53:02
  you? She's like, well, I can add, I
• 53:05
  can add an opening to our trial in Mexico.
• 53:08
  It's in one week. And you be here.
• 53:10
  It's like, absolutely I can. And then we get, like, the least
• 53:14
  joyful flight down to Mexico I think I've ever seen in a movie
• 53:16
  because usually it's like, hey, we're going to Mexico.
• 53:21
  Yeah. Exactly like fun times here.
• 53:24
  Though I know I'm not critiquing it for it, I'm just saying.
• 53:27
  Yeah, well, you, you do get Diego, who is there to pick him
• 53:30
  up, who is very bright, like attitude.
• 53:33
  And he's like, hey, man, that's cool.
• 53:35
  Let me show you about the city. Yeah, this was a.
• 53:37
  Little mini tour. I, I, you know, he didn't have
• 53:40
  to do that, but he did. I and you know what, I kind of
• 53:43
  like it because if this was legit, it would be a very kind
• 53:46
  way to pick up a patient. Yeah, for sure.
• 53:49
  They stop at one point and then this is where the fake
• 53:52
  kidnapping happens. Not so much fun, is it John?
• 53:58
  Yeah, like the tables get turned and they was like, that's what
• 54:02
  that feels like. Shit needs more pig masks.
• 54:05
  Yeah, not enough of a flare to it.
• 54:09
  Yeah. So they eventually, like, are
• 54:15
  like, OK, you're sick. Cool, we got it.
• 54:18
  So they arrive at the compounds. Gabrielle lets them in and then
• 54:23
  introduces him to his family and shows him to his room.
• 54:28
  After he gets settled in. John and Cecilia meet and she
• 54:33
  says that the security was beefed up because they've gotten
• 54:37
  into trouble at their past location, so they wanted to make
• 54:39
  sure everybody was safe, hence the fake kidnapping.
• 54:43
  You also probably have to be a little bit more careful down in
• 54:45
  Mexico with the cartel running around.
• 54:47
  Yeah, yeah. Oh my God Can you imagine the
• 54:49
  cartel like interrupting a surgery once again if this was
• 54:52
  legit? So from all that I've read of
• 54:55
  the cartel, they have their fingers like in every fucking
• 54:59
  pot. Can you imagine John putting a
• 55:02
  member of the cartel in one of its traps?
• 55:05
  Now we're just going back to Breaking Bad.
• 55:07
  Yeah. OK.
• 55:10
  So he is getting like a little preview of where the surgery's
• 55:13
  going to be. He meets another person there
• 55:16
  that's getting treatment. It is Mr. Sears and.
• 55:19
  I guess the good news about doing an illegal surgery is that
• 55:23
  you also don't have to give a shit about HIPAA.
• 55:25
  Yeah, that's true. Yeah.
• 55:26
  Here's his entire medical history.
• 55:28
  They like have like a whole comparison, like they it's kind
• 55:31
  of like a like a Dick measuring contest.
• 55:33
  Yeah, well, where you at? And then he's like, oh, this is
• 55:35
  mine. He's like, oh, you win.
• 55:39
  So yeah, they he gets the whole thing there.
• 55:42
  They're like, all right, you're going.
• 55:43
  To be up to the surgery's in an old chemical factory.
• 55:46
  Mateo is the anesthesiologist then Valentina's a nurse.
• 55:51
  Valentina does a scan to do some like pre op testing.
• 55:56
  Cecilia and John talk about his work and his hobbies.
• 56:00
  He's a civil engineer and architect.
• 56:04
  Also, he is something like a life coach.
• 56:08
  Yeah. Gabriella brings tequila, which
• 56:11
  I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to have before surgery,
• 56:13
  but it's fine. She says it's good luck.
• 56:15
  So they they drink a little tequila together that night.
• 56:20
  He's a little nervous, of course.
• 56:22
  So he's wandering around and he sees a little boy named Carlos
• 56:25
  working on his bike. And he decides that he's going
• 56:28
  to help him. And he learns because Carlos
• 56:30
  doesn't speak English, so he's like learning some Spanish.
• 56:33
  And the word for cool is halar. Halar.
• 56:37
  Yeah. So.
• 56:37
  And then they kind of bond over this.
• 56:39
  He helps him. He's like, I'm somewhat of an
• 56:41
  engineer. Yeah.
• 56:42
  He's like, I know how to do this shit.
• 56:43
  You should see all the other shit that I make.
• 56:46
  Maybe. Is he grooming this kid to be
• 56:48
  another one of these days? We might see this kid.
• 56:52
  Become another. You literally thought about that
• 56:54
  at the end of the movie last night.
• 56:55
  And I was like, I feel like they have potential with this kid.
• 56:59
  They do because this is a formative moment.
• 57:01
  Yeah, like, hey, like, this is how you make this shit.
• 57:04
  Do you want to learn how to maybe make a death trap too?
• 57:07
  Like, I don't know, maybe, maybe eventually.
• 57:10
  So John is floating in and out of consciousness during his
• 57:13
  surgery. It seems like a little clips of
• 57:16
  them cutting into his brain. Yeah, and at one point they,
• 57:21
  like, make a point of turning the TV around, like, oh, you
• 57:23
  weren't supposed to see that. And then he wakes up in a bed in
• 57:27
  a completely different location. Apparently it's two blocks from
• 57:30
  Matteo's hospital. Just in case something happened.
• 57:34
  He's got 7 days of meds that he has to drink.
• 57:36
  That's it. He's drinking liquid medication
• 57:40
  for seven days. His bandage is magically
• 57:43
  antibacterial and won't need to be changed, can just be taken
• 57:46
  off in seven days. And it's all good.
• 57:47
  And he's not questioning any of this.
• 57:49
  Like, look, I get it, you think it's a very experimental
• 57:53
  surgery, but that's also not how some of this stuff works.
• 57:55
  You're also kind of desperate at this point, so you can just kind
• 57:58
  of go on with whatever, you know?
• 58:00
  So John is sketching. He's just a rack.
• 58:05
  He's like planning future torture devices.
• 58:07
  Yeah, yeah, it's the one from. Timothy Young.
• 58:10
  From three. Yeah, so I was motherfucking
• 58:13
  Jeff. Yeah.
• 58:15
  So yeah, he's doing that. And then he's also just kind of
• 58:17
  curious. He's wanting to go back over
• 58:19
  there and thank them. Yeah, he buys tequila in a gift
• 58:21
  card and he's going to bring it to Gabriella.
• 58:24
  And he finds the tower that he saw from before, and he uses his
• 58:27
  fucking John Kramer mind tricks and he figures out exactly where
• 58:31
  the location was. Yeah.
• 58:32
  He's like, oh, the angle of the tower from here versus what I
• 58:35
  saw in the room with the house, like, And he figures out where
• 58:37
  it is. And so when he gets there, he
• 58:41
  sees everything is, like, empty and deserted.
• 58:44
  And he realized it's a scam. And he rips off.
• 58:51
  He rips off his bandage. And I wrote in my nose.
• 58:54
  Damn, they didn't even actually shave his hair.
• 58:56
  They and the footage that he saw of the brain surgery was from
• 59:01
  AVHS tape titled Surgeons of Tomorrow.
• 59:05
  Don't they need that for their next scam?
• 59:07
  That's what I thought too. Like, why leave that?
• 59:10
  Yeah, exactly. I feel like that is very well,
• 59:13
  OK. No, I think.
• 59:14
  Maybe they needed like. And it's not all brain related.
• 59:17
  That's true. So I think that they may have
• 59:19
  picked that tape up for this one specifically.
• 59:22
  And maybe they were just in a rush.
• 59:24
  They did have to rush this thing because she wasn't necessarily
• 59:26
  planning for yeah, one in Mexico so soon.
• 59:29
  Yeah, she wasn't, but she didn't want to turn down the
• 59:31
  opportunity for an additional $50,000.
• 59:34
  Yeah. So yeah, he's pissed.
• 59:36
  Royally pissed. Rightfully so.
• 59:38
  Diego is still he still works as a taxi driver, so that was at
• 59:43
  least true. He drops a ride off and then he
• 59:46
  gets Pig nabbed and he wakes up in the factory and there are
• 59:52
  these bombs. Bombs.
• 59:55
  Yeah, they are like straight up. This right here.
• 59:58
  I could see being made from Home Depot.
• 1:00:00
  Yeah. So they're like.
• 1:00:03
  He's got these like wires that are just in his arm and he has
• 1:00:07
  to. It's like it's almost.
• 1:00:10
  Like a rebar? Yeah, in a way.
• 1:00:12
  So he's got like. And he's got to cut them out.
• 1:00:15
  Yeah, he's got like blades attached to the ends of it, so
• 1:00:17
  he's got to cut them out with that, and he's got 3 minutes to
• 1:00:20
  do so. And he doesn't.
• 1:00:22
  He starts giving John some information because he doesn't
• 1:00:25
  want to be further tortured. I said we don't.
• 1:00:29
  Know that yet they haven't revealed the part that where he
• 1:00:31
  gets interrogated. Oh, oh, he was Doctor Cortez.
• 1:00:35
  So he was more than just the taxi driver.
• 1:00:37
  He. Can't.
• 1:00:37
  He's an. Actress here.
• 1:00:38
  OK, yeah, he gets them free and then John says that he needs his
• 1:00:42
  help. So that's what that's what we
• 1:00:45
  see. Yeah.
• 1:00:46
  So Valentina is at a club, and she invites the John out to the
• 1:00:50
  car. And he's like, why would I pay
• 1:00:52
  you? And so that's the whole thing.
• 1:00:54
  And then she gets saved by a pig.
• 1:00:56
  And then she also gets pignapped.
• 1:00:58
  Yeah, she gets pignapped. So it's kind of a whiplash
• 1:01:01
  moment for her cuz she's like, I'm being saved.
• 1:01:03
  No SO. So we cut over to a vet, like a
• 1:01:08
  veterinary veterinary clinic? Veterinary veterinary clinics.
• 1:01:12
  Thank you. God, we can't fucking talk
• 1:01:13
  today. That's fine.
• 1:01:15
  It's Mateo. Is he a janitor I think or is he
• 1:01:19
  an actual vet there? He might be like a vet tech.
• 1:01:21
  He's got the. He's got access to the meds.
• 1:01:25
  Yeah, he's OK. So yeah, he's a Med tech.
• 1:01:27
  They do a lot of, We've seen it at the vet's office.
• 1:01:30
  They have to do a lot of cleaning, so it's reasonable to
• 1:01:33
  see him with a mop. So he's got to close up.
• 1:01:36
  Gabriella comes in for some meds and he's like, I'm not doing
• 1:01:39
  this anymore. And then she leaves and he gets
• 1:01:41
  gotten and then. Hears a sound and then he's a
• 1:01:44
  pig. Pig nap.
• 1:01:45
  And Gabriella goes to the club and she goes in the bathroom to
• 1:01:48
  do her drugs, and while she's in there, I guess what happens.
• 1:01:53
  I'll pig nap. She is pig nap.
• 1:01:56
  So Cecilia is on the phone, She has another person she's
• 1:02:01
  scamming and then she's got her whole little scam board.
• 1:02:05
  Like she's very organized. I will give her that.
• 1:02:08
  Is she back in Norway? I don't know because she's in a
• 1:02:12
  nice ass house and there's no way that this is a house that
• 1:02:14
  she bought just for like a short time in Mexico.
• 1:02:16
  It could be like a rental. It could be, I guess, but she
• 1:02:20
  she seems to know the way out. But how are they going to drive
• 1:02:24
  her? Like drug her and bring her from
• 1:02:27
  Norway to Mexico. I don't know.
• 1:02:29
  I don't really know how much this was thought out.
• 1:02:31
  I think it's an Airbnb from like one of the cartel overlords.
• 1:02:34
  Well, Airbnb wasn't a thing back then.
• 1:02:37
  Yeah, I don't know what it would actually call.
• 1:02:38
  I don't think it would be called Airbnb either if it was a cartel
• 1:02:41
  just. Could be a BNBI, don't know.
• 1:02:42
  Yeah. Whatever anyway.
• 1:02:44
  Not important. There's a pig on top of the
• 1:02:45
  roof. That is what.
• 1:02:46
  Yeah, that's what we need to be focusing on.
• 1:02:48
  Yeah, and it smashes through the.
• 1:02:51
  I love this because she's like watching the security camera, so
• 1:02:54
  she kind of has an idea of where they are.
• 1:02:56
  But still we have like this spooky moment of the roof
• 1:03:00
  smashing through. She runs out to her car, manages
• 1:03:02
  to get in there, and when she rolls up the garage door.
• 1:03:06
  There's one standing there, and then there's also one in the car
• 1:03:08
  and then back seat. Yeah, that one is John Kramer.
• 1:03:11
  Yeah, and then we get a rare like mid movie flashback to
• 1:03:16
  Amanda helping him with all of. The pappings, they were like,
• 1:03:19
  oh, is Amanda doing all this shit the entire time?
• 1:03:21
  Which, yeah, that makes sense. Like, I don't think John was out
• 1:03:24
  there fucking fighting people. You know what I mean?
• 1:03:28
  So Amanda enters the factory where everybody is set up.
• 1:03:32
  She takes their coats, puts them on a little cart just out of
• 1:03:35
  reach. They all have the oh, I can read
• 1:03:40
  my handwriting for a second, I said.
• 1:03:42
  They all have the audacity to act surprised that John is mad.
• 1:03:46
  Yeah, yeah. They're like Kramer.
• 1:03:48
  What's up, Kramer? Hey, how you doing buddy?
• 1:03:51
  Kramer. You're going to go in through
• 1:03:54
  the door all weird, but he's like, no, not today.
• 1:03:58
  He like they all call him now and they're like, you guys
• 1:04:01
  fucked up. You guys are pieces of shit.
• 1:04:04
  You're praying on people with hope.
• 1:04:07
  And it's a Valentina's turn. First we all get to learn about
• 1:04:12
  they each get individual games and it kind of ties to like what
• 1:04:16
  their fake role was in the scam. So because Valentina drew blood
• 1:04:21
  into testing, she has to cut off her own leg with a Julie saw and
• 1:04:27
  then suck out some bone marrow and she's gotta like weight down
• 1:04:32
  a thing. Or else this wire will cut her
• 1:04:35
  head off. Yep.
• 1:04:37
  Yeah. And he says that you'll find a
• 1:04:40
  key in the box next to you. And the key is that we saw.
• 1:04:43
  And she goes, what? I don't see a key at Amanda.
• 1:04:45
  That's when she says it's a metaphor.
• 1:04:47
  He does this a lot. Yeah.
• 1:04:50
  I like that. So Cecilia has scammed 34 people
• 1:04:55
  in eight years. And John says this is not
• 1:04:59
  retribution. This is a reawakening to let
• 1:05:02
  them all reconsider their life choices.
• 1:05:04
  Yeah. So Valentina's game starts, and
• 1:05:07
  Cecilia encourages, like, kind of like a rabid sports fan or
• 1:05:11
  like a stage mom in a way. Like, she's like, come on, Come
• 1:05:14
  on, Valentino, you got to do do this.
• 1:05:16
  Do this for mommy, sweetheart, look at me.
• 1:05:19
  Look at me. Look at me.
• 1:05:20
  Look at me. It was.
• 1:05:21
  Cool. They interviewed her actor and
• 1:05:24
  she's like, well, I, I tried to find like a good balance of how
• 1:05:27
  to do this because I know that Cecilia is a psychopath, so she
• 1:05:32
  doesn't really care about anybody other than herself here.
• 1:05:35
  And I there's something about her, like rabid encouragement
• 1:05:42
  during all of their games, that feels off.
• 1:05:46
  Yeah, she's like, yeah, mutilate yourself.
• 1:05:47
  Go ahead, please. Yeah.
• 1:05:48
  And it, it's in a way that, like, it feels off the first
• 1:05:51
  time you're watching it before, you know, she has Parker on the
• 1:05:54
  way and you're just like, why is she, like, acting?
• 1:05:58
  Just like, does she think maybe she won't have to do it if she
• 1:06:01
  looks like she's a guy? Like there's something that
• 1:06:02
  feels a little off and it makes sense after the big review.
• 1:06:05
  A little bit, but also at the same time, like you kind of do
• 1:06:08
  need that voice to tell you, hey, you need to do this or you
• 1:06:11
  will actually die. Which I mean, here's the thing.
• 1:06:14
  Everybody in this movie, the ones that survive are the ones
• 1:06:18
  that get right to it. Everybody that dies, they wait a
• 1:06:20
  good 30 seconds to a minute before they get started, and
• 1:06:23
  they're always just a second too late.
• 1:06:25
  Like they need that extra encouragement.
• 1:06:27
  Actually, Gabriella did survive her game, and she was refusing
• 1:06:30
  to even play the tape. Oh no, yeah, but whenever they
• 1:06:34
  told her to smash her stuff, she did it right away.
• 1:06:37
  Everybody else is just arguing like, no, I'm not going to
• 1:06:39
  fucking do that. But that's, and the way that
• 1:06:42
  they did this man, they, they got the footage of her actually
• 1:06:46
  doing this with her leg. So they had like a little
• 1:06:50
  plastic tube and they actually had a wire underneath her.
• 1:06:53
  So like just to protect her leg, she would actually have to do
• 1:06:55
  that. And then eventually they like
• 1:06:58
  had a thing rigged where she would stick her leg down in
• 1:07:00
  there and they would cut it off. But God damn it's brutal.
• 1:07:04
  The girl sells it really well too.
• 1:07:06
  And she does cut off her leg and she does suck out the bone
• 1:07:09
  marrow, but she doesn't get quiet enough.
• 1:07:11
  She is less than 10 milliliters off when her head gets cut off.
• 1:07:15
  And it's kind of sad. John tells Amanda that
• 1:07:19
  Gabriella's next. Amanda is like, listen, I don't
• 1:07:23
  feel like she needs to have this extreme of a game.
• 1:07:26
  You don't understand what drug addiction is like.
• 1:07:28
  I do. Hey, remember that was one of my
• 1:07:30
  games was about drug addiction. And she decides that she's going
• 1:07:35
  to kind of override him, but he's like, I don't know how you
• 1:07:38
  can handle our work. And she's like, we're doing
• 1:07:41
  Meteo next. While all of that's going on
• 1:07:44
  though, they're all out there. They Cecilia grabs Valentin and
• 1:07:48
  his body and the phone is ringing there so they use her
• 1:07:54
  intestines to over closer to her so she can get the phone.
• 1:07:58
  And again, Cecilia is just so fucking cold.
• 1:08:02
  Yeah, like she and everybody is like, horrified.
• 1:08:04
  And I get it, like you need to be pragmatic in a situation to
• 1:08:07
  survive, but like she doesn't even try to pretend like she's
• 1:08:10
  bothered by it. No.
• 1:08:11
  So she makes a call and we assume that this is going to be
• 1:08:14
  serious. This is why he arrives in a
• 1:08:16
  little bit. Yeah, Amanda arrives, does a
• 1:08:19
  little shocky shock, and she doesn't care about their bag
• 1:08:23
  gang. She's like, this is what it is.
• 1:08:26
  And she tells John, we have a visitor.
• 1:08:29
  It's Parker. He's coming back for his money.
• 1:08:32
  He's furious that Cecilia has scammed him as well.
• 1:08:36
  Says that the scar that they put on his neck is fake.
• 1:08:40
  How did he not notice? Was he not in pain?
• 1:08:42
  I'm so confused. He says that the cracks.
• 1:08:46
  So John is like, all right, here's what we're going to do.
• 1:08:50
  You're kind of blue skinning, and I don't trust you.
• 1:08:52
  So we're gonna chain you up for just a minute.
• 1:08:54
  Just for a minute. We're gonna take your gun and
• 1:08:56
  we're gonna put it over here in the locker because we don't use
• 1:08:58
  guns here, OK? We're gonna make sure that you
• 1:09:01
  play by the rules, OK? Yeah, we're gonna play by the
• 1:09:04
  rules. We're gonna use our words.
• 1:09:06
  We're not gonna shoot people, OK?
• 1:09:08
  Parker. Parker, we don't shoot people.
• 1:09:10
  Do you understand all right? So this is where they got him
• 1:09:14
  all set on and then it goes on and she's like, all right, Mateo
• 1:09:17
  is next so. Billy rolls in.
• 1:09:20
  Yeah, my God, I love it when Billy rolls in like.
• 1:09:22
  This and it's so it's like extra ominous so at the
• 1:09:25
  dermatologist's office when you walk in because like a mole
• 1:09:30
  biopsy is pretty standard there and they just generally have the
• 1:09:34
  tools ready for you. And it looks a lot like this
• 1:09:37
  where it's just like a tray with a bunch of needles and gauze and
• 1:09:41
  a little scalpel and like also a little, it's like.
• 1:09:45
  A jar of. Cauterizing thing, yeah.
• 1:09:48
  And it looks like that like, and it freaks me out every time I
• 1:09:51
  go. And that that's what that Billy
• 1:09:54
  has on his little tricycle, and he rolls up to Mateo, who's in
• 1:09:57
  this like torture chair. Yeah, and it's just, it's
• 1:10:04
  fucking weird. And he's like, I don't know what
• 1:10:06
  all this shit is. There's a bunch of medical
• 1:10:07
  supplies and there's also this. Feels like it's a cromiotom.
• 1:10:11
  And he goes. I don't fucking care.
• 1:10:13
  So he plays the tape and he's got to take a big enough piece
• 1:10:19
  of brain matter, put it in a glass which will dissolve the
• 1:10:21
  tissue, which will then give him access to the key to get out of
• 1:10:25
  the trap. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:26
  So he's got to like, cut open his fucking.
• 1:10:28
  Skull Yeah. There's like a camera pointing
• 1:10:31
  down at his head and he can see it on the screen.
• 1:10:34
  He's got 3 minutes to do this. This reminded me a lot of the
• 1:10:37
  Saw three scene with the skull. I feel like that's what they
• 1:10:40
  were kind of going for. They were fall back, absolutely.
• 1:10:44
  And he does that, he cuts it open, he gets the little piece
• 1:10:46
  out and he manages to just tweeze like a chunk of brain
• 1:10:51
  out, which it would have been interesting, like it didn't seem
• 1:10:54
  to necessarily affect him or what to be taking a chunk of his
• 1:10:57
  brain out. Like it would be interesting to
• 1:10:59
  see him short wire in the face a little.
• 1:11:01
  Bit yeah, I thought maybe he wasn't going to have like the
• 1:11:03
  right motor coordination to drop that jar.
• 1:11:06
  I thought that's what was going to happen.
• 1:11:07
  I thought that that would have happened too, but no, he's
• 1:11:10
  totally normal. Yeah, he gets it in there and it
• 1:11:12
  dissolves like it's just a second late.
• 1:11:15
  And then the mask was and I like that.
• 1:11:17
  It's like one of like the Aztec faces.
• 1:11:19
  Yeah. It was kind of cool to
• 1:11:22
  incorporate that there and. It just, yeah.
• 1:11:23
  And it was like a reference to one of the things that Diego was
• 1:11:26
  telling John about during his tour.
• 1:11:28
  Yeah, it, it was nice. It was a nice touch.
• 1:11:31
  So he's dead. So Amanda and John have this
• 1:11:33
  talk, 'cause he's like, I am dying.
• 1:11:38
  I've accepted this. She's not at the acceptance
• 1:11:40
  phase yet. She's at the bargaining phase.
• 1:11:42
  She's like, maybe we can get Cecilia's dad.
• 1:11:45
  We know he's real and he's an actual doctor.
• 1:11:47
  And he's like, listen, we just, we need to do our work.
• 1:11:49
  This is what it is. This is what it's going to be.
• 1:11:51
  Yeah. And he's like.
• 1:11:52
  You got to carry this on for me like you are ready to do this.
• 1:11:56
  I'm not quite sure yet. I might have to test you two
• 1:11:58
  more times, but you know you were totally ready to do this.
• 1:12:02
  So he tells her to release Parker and see if he can follow
• 1:12:05
  the rules. Now Billy trikes over to
• 1:12:09
  Gabriella and she isn't taking the tape.
• 1:12:12
  She's like, no. I like this.
• 1:12:14
  This I probably the most realistic.
• 1:12:15
  Reason, yeah. She plays it for a second.
• 1:12:17
  It's like, I want to play a game.
• 1:12:18
  She's like Nope and then just throws it across the hall.
• 1:12:20
  And John, just like, pulls down his microphone.
• 1:12:22
  He goes. That's not how this works.
• 1:12:24
  Yeah, but we're going to still do this and which is like you're
• 1:12:27
  setting yourself up for a bad time because he, I mean, she
• 1:12:30
  doesn't get an explanation now. She just gets yanked up into
• 1:12:33
  like the the sky here for a second.
• 1:12:36
  And he does explain. He's like, listen, I've done
• 1:12:39
  chemotherapy, I've done radiation therapy.
• 1:12:42
  You can't fuck around with a radiation machine.
• 1:12:44
  So if you don't want to burn to death, you're going to need to
• 1:12:48
  break your foot and break your hand and release yourself from
• 1:12:51
  the chains. Yeah, if he wasn't going to do
• 1:12:53
  that, Amanda was, because Amanda's latched onto her as
• 1:12:56
  like the person that she relates to because of the drug issues.
• 1:12:59
  Like, yeah, it was going to happen.
• 1:13:02
  Yeah. So the thing starts, this thing
• 1:13:04
  is fucking crazy. Is a radiation machine just
• 1:13:07
  pointing right at her. And she has.
• 1:13:10
  She's got a chain around her right wrist and one against her
• 1:13:14
  left ankle. I think it's backwards.
• 1:13:16
  I think it's right ankle and left wrist.
• 1:13:18
  All the way around. So Cecilia instructs her to get
• 1:13:21
  the the ankle first because it'll sway her out of the way,
• 1:13:24
  which she does. She breaks it.
• 1:13:27
  The the machine moves, Don't worry.
• 1:13:29
  John thought about this. And.
• 1:13:32
  I thought it would have. Here's the thing.
• 1:13:33
  Yeah, I accept that he can make things move.
• 1:13:37
  I thought a swivel would have made more sense, like it just
• 1:13:40
  turns a little bit instead of a slide.
• 1:13:43
  I'm gonna go with the engineer here and see.
• 1:13:47
  I'm gonna say that. They I think John was just
• 1:13:49
  showing off. I think he could have done
• 1:13:51
  either and I think he chose the harder one to show off.
• 1:13:53
  What if he like looked over a man?
• 1:13:55
  He's like watch this shit I mentioned to you whenever this
• 1:14:01
  is going on, I like how whenever each hit like the sound gets a
• 1:14:04
  little bit higher pitch, it's like a doe re me like and so she
• 1:14:11
  does it. She gets her wrist also and she
• 1:14:14
  falls to the ground. She survives her trap and
• 1:14:16
  they're like, OK, we got to get her to the hospital.
• 1:14:18
  She won a game. It's fair, but as the.
• 1:14:21
  Sacker is not following the fucking rules and he's gotten
• 1:14:25
  his gun out of the locker. He demands Cecilia's keys
• 1:14:30
  because it turns out they're an item.
• 1:14:33
  So Amanda because she doesn't want John to be shot, unlock
• 1:14:37
  Cecilia and Cecilia slaps the shit out of her.
• 1:14:42
  Yeah, she's like, all right, we're going to play new game.
• 1:14:44
  We live, you die. Fuck you.
• 1:14:46
  Yeah, So she forces John to lock himself up in the trap.
• 1:14:51
  And he says Gabby deserves to live because she beat her game.
• 1:14:55
  And it's Cecilia says, oh, does she now?
• 1:14:57
  And she goes over and just breaks her neck.
• 1:14:59
  Yeah. Just steps on it with her heels.
• 1:15:01
  Oh my God, it's. Brutal.
• 1:15:02
  Would it have killed you to have dropped her off at the hospital?
• 1:15:05
  She's not going to have a good time.
• 1:15:06
  But no, Cecilia is a psychopath. She makes Amanda shackle herself
• 1:15:11
  as well. The money is upstairs and
• 1:15:14
  they're telling Parker they're like, listen, Cecilia, we'll
• 1:15:16
  burn you too. Do you don't think she won't
• 1:15:18
  kill you? You're another loose end.
• 1:15:20
  And he goes, no, we're in love. And she's like, yeah, yeah,
• 1:15:22
  yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:24
  So they're about to get the game, the final game started,
• 1:15:27
  but then they start hearing this thud outside and they look over
• 1:15:30
  to the camera and they're like, oh, OK, oh, wait, no, there's no
• 1:15:33
  camera there. But like, so he's like, all
• 1:15:35
  right, we got another player, so she goes out there.
• 1:15:37
  No, they see like the security footage.
• 1:15:40
  Yeah. And she says that she wants the
• 1:15:42
  last memory John to have to be of somebody innocent dying
• 1:15:46
  because of him. This is the most panicked I've
• 1:15:49
  ever actually seen Tobin Bell portray John Kramer in the
• 1:15:53
  franchise. And I think that really like
• 1:15:55
  sells it that like they had a contingency plan or they knew
• 1:16:00
  what was happening, but the fact that like Carlos was not
• 1:16:03
  supposed to be there. There was an interesting thought
• 1:16:06
  process behind introducing this kid to the movie too.
• 1:16:09
  Because they they wanted to find a way for us.
• 1:16:13
  Like, because we know that he survives.
• 1:16:15
  Like none of these people are going to die, so how can you
• 1:16:18
  make them like? What are this?
• 1:16:20
  Thing about yeah, what are the things?
• 1:16:21
  So they're like, OK, like, well, let's do a kid.
• 1:16:24
  And everybody was against the idea because apparently
• 1:16:26
  Lionsgate was like, no kids can get hurt for a long time.
• 1:16:29
  But then Josh Soberg was like, well, Hereditary, all kinds of
• 1:16:36
  other movies with kids getting hurt here lately.
• 1:16:38
  Like, it's kind of a thing that people are allowed to get away
• 1:16:41
  with now. And everybody's like, OK, cool.
• 1:16:42
  And then everybody's like, all right, yeah, let's, let's blood
• 1:16:44
  board this kid. Yeah.
• 1:16:45
  And so when Carlos is brought in, Amanda says, who is that?
• 1:16:49
  And John says a friend and a terrible unforeseen consequence.
• 1:16:55
  I hope somebody describes me like that someday.
• 1:16:59
  I was thinking to myself like, that's a weird name.
• 1:17:03
  So they get Carlos hooked up to the other side of this blood
• 1:17:07
  teeter totter and he tells Carlos no halar and they.
• 1:17:12
  Together as a group? Yep.
• 1:17:15
  This, you know, if you don't have the time for Muzzy, here
• 1:17:19
  you go. You've got, you've got salt in.
• 1:17:21
  Spanish with John Kramer. OK, so the game starts of course
• 1:17:26
  and so so like, how do you start this?
• 1:17:29
  He goes, it's activated by the subject and she goes of course,
• 1:17:31
  because you can't be responsible for killing somebody.
• 1:17:33
  I love that like game recognized game.
• 1:17:36
  She knows all about his shit and like his in a way, like studied
• 1:17:40
  him. I think that's an interesting
• 1:17:42
  detail. Well, she does.
• 1:17:43
  She's like jig fucking saw. Like I can't believe it's you.
• 1:17:46
  Like, and I'm kind of surprised that he has such a reputation at
• 1:17:49
  this point because it's between movie one and two.
• 1:17:53
  So he's not like done a shit hit ton yet.
• 1:17:55
  But yeah. OK, so the game starts.
• 1:17:58
  They are being blood boarded. And it's like thick.
• 1:18:03
  It's flotted blood. Yeah, so first John pulls his
• 1:18:08
  lever, so he goes back and he is taking the full bronze.
• 1:18:12
  Of Blood sees what's happening, he figures the game out.
• 1:18:15
  And that little motherfucker Hala.
• 1:18:17
  He did it, Yeah, he pulls it and then he gets some.
• 1:18:20
  Allows John to catch his breath for a minute, and then John
• 1:18:23
  pulls it back himself. And this time he holds on to
• 1:18:26
  Yeah, so Carlos can't pull it back.
• 1:18:28
  That was, yeah, that was a good touch.
• 1:18:30
  Meanwhile. Cecilia's like, all he had to do
• 1:18:33
  was just let the kid blood board himself.
• 1:18:35
  Whatever, let's go get our money.
• 1:18:36
  And Parker's like, whoa, yeah, yeah, that's fucked up.
• 1:18:40
  I guess we're not having kids together.
• 1:18:44
  So they go up there to go get the money.
• 1:18:46
  They were digging around up there and she sets off a trap.
• 1:18:50
  Yeah, she picks up a duffel bag that she thinks has the money in
• 1:18:53
  it. It just has her bank receipts.
• 1:18:54
  Yeah, and it turns all the lights red, though a door closes
• 1:18:58
  and locks. This makes me think of like,
• 1:19:03
  traps in like a video game, like where you accidentally set it
• 1:19:07
  off, and then like, the game maker's like, all right, we're
• 1:19:10
  gonna make you feel anxious during this, so we're gonna do
• 1:19:13
  red lights and smoke effects and lock the door.
• 1:19:17
  Yeah, sorry. Another thing the
• 1:19:18
  cinematographer said is like, I wanted every game to be a
• 1:19:21
  different, like, like a new light starts.
• 1:19:23
  So it's like a different game. OK.
• 1:19:25
  So like, that's why this one started.
• 1:19:27
  Like the new light shines like all right, new game's starting.
• 1:19:30
  That's. That's clever.
• 1:19:32
  Yeah. So doing this stops the
• 1:19:34
  bloodboarding trap. So John and Carlos are free.
• 1:19:37
  They're like covered in blood. I'd say, and at this, as all
• 1:19:42
  this is happening, Parker's wondering out loud.
• 1:19:44
  You were the last game to play, but this was a two person game,
• 1:19:47
  so who was supposed to be there with you?
• 1:19:49
  That's. When we get the little.
• 1:19:50
  Dumb Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun
• 1:19:52
  Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Sox. Yep.
• 1:19:54
  So, John. Saw.
• 1:19:56
  Disabled the bullets and Parker's gun, so there was never
• 1:20:00
  actually any danger that I just let him think there was.
• 1:20:03
  So Cecilia can't shoot the lock on the door.
• 1:20:06
  He also was learning about Parker from Diego and then
• 1:20:10
  located him and Henry Kessler. We'll find out in a moment with
• 1:20:14
  Detective Hoffman. Yeah, you hear his voice on the
• 1:20:17
  phone, which I when we were watching this in theaters, I was
• 1:20:20
  like, fuck yeah. I thought that was the only
• 1:20:22
  reference we were going to get to, but I was willing to accept.
• 1:20:24
  That yeah, yeah. He's like, I found the man that
• 1:20:27
  you wanted. They have one air hole in the
• 1:20:32
  room to save them from this like corrosive fog that's coming in
• 1:20:38
  and they start fighting and she just fucking stabs Parker.
• 1:20:42
  Was I looking at this run, Wasn't it having an effect on
• 1:20:45
  his skin because he looked down in his hand?
• 1:20:46
  So she's gonna have like some damage done.
• 1:20:50
  But absolutely. OK, yeah, she she won't be
• 1:20:52
  breathing it in, so at least it won't affect her lungs.
• 1:20:55
  Yeah, so she sticks her head through the little thing there
• 1:20:59
  and she watches them walk out. So sorry to reference Top Model
• 1:21:05
  twice in an episode, but they're a college cycle.
• 1:21:09
  They have this really weird photo shoot where they have to
• 1:21:11
  look like stuffed hunting trophy heads.
• 1:21:15
  You know how like people will mount deer heads?
• 1:21:17
  They have a photo shoot where they do that.
• 1:21:19
  And that's what she looks like with this.
• 1:21:21
  Yeah, kind. Of I can see it, yeah.
• 1:21:24
  I mean, it's like, it's like a straw swat.
• 1:21:28
  You know, yeah, yeah, with a little like cross.
• 1:21:30
  Like you just kind of like stick your head through.
• 1:21:31
  Him, yeah. Yep.
• 1:21:33
  So John's like, all right, Carlos and Amanda, let's get out
• 1:21:37
  of here. Yeah, he gives Carlos the real
• 1:21:39
  bag of money, and then they walk out like as a happy family, like
• 1:21:43
  they're holding hands and cuddled together.
• 1:21:45
  Carlos thinks him, which, like, why?
• 1:21:49
  Like he's kind of responsible for him being blood boarded like
• 1:21:53
  that. This kid's not shaken up enough
• 1:21:55
  for the fact that this happens. Carlos recognizes it was
• 1:21:58
  Cecilia. I'm sure he does, but he's not
• 1:22:01
  really face. He's just kind of like, oh,
• 1:22:02
  thank you. And he's smiling as they're
• 1:22:04
  walking out like. Listen.
• 1:22:05
  That would traumatize me. Carlos passed his test and he's
• 1:22:09
  a new disciple of Jigsaw. Yeah, he dude, he, he better.
• 1:22:13
  Honestly I feel like they really planted a good seed for this.
• 1:22:17
  Absolutely. Like somewhere down the line,
• 1:22:19
  make him a jigsaw. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 1:22:22
  A good like a good thing to do. So OK.
• 1:22:26
  Mid credits, yes, we cut to the bathroom.
• 1:22:29
  Yes, the bathroom, yeah. And John and Hoffman are there
• 1:22:33
  with Henry going. Where's your fucking scar,
• 1:22:35
  Henry? Oh, man, I love this.
• 1:22:38
  And Mark or Hoffman, he's like, of all of the people you chose
• 1:22:43
  this game, you picked John Kramer.
• 1:22:46
  That's what I call epic bad luck.
• 1:22:49
  And then we get the I love how it gets really cheesy here too.
• 1:22:53
  Like maybe this is like whole thing is to be like that.
• 1:22:55
  Closest brings the soap opera energy to this franchise.
• 1:22:58
  We get the camera and it starts spinning and then Henry is like
• 1:23:02
  no. And then the camera's like.
• 1:23:04
  Whoa. It's like a machine.
• 1:23:06
  It's like razors doing cat biscuits.
• 1:23:09
  Yeah. And like.
• 1:23:10
  Yeah. And the camera just gets all
• 1:23:12
  spinning. It's like, whoa.
• 1:23:13
  And then the music is all like, whoa.
• 1:23:15
  Like everything just kind of goes like and then like the
• 1:23:20
  movie ends and. Yeah, everybody laughs.
• 1:23:23
  Yeah. It's a good time.
• 1:23:25
  Yeah. That was a great way to end that
• 1:23:26
  movie, man. That was still.
• 1:23:28
  A10 I think it's such a good movie.
• 1:23:29
  It was such a good like it had all of the things that you like
• 1:23:33
  about a Saw movie and introduced some new things and I liked it.
• 1:23:37
  Yeah, I'll bump it to fuck it. Yeah, this is probably one of
• 1:23:41
  like the most legit good ones. It had a lot of build up too,
• 1:23:45
  which is not something that you get a lot with Saw movies.
• 1:23:48
  A lot. Of times for a while we were
• 1:23:50
  just taking it for granted that we were going to have one every
• 1:23:52
  year. Yeah.
• 1:23:52
  And they like, well, not that I'm talking about like build up
• 1:23:55
  in the story. Oh yeah.
• 1:23:56
  Be like, it's like 30 to 40 minutes before we even get to
• 1:23:59
  the traps. Like, they lay a lot of
• 1:24:00
  groundwork to get the like to make you invested in this, which
• 1:24:04
  is, you mean it's not really a thing that we have a lot and saw
• 1:24:07
  movies. But I think that's mostly
• 1:24:09
  because we don't need that with most of them because it was such
• 1:24:11
  an ongoing story. They had like, that moment to
• 1:24:14
  reset and, like, breathe some fresh air into it for a minute
• 1:24:17
  here. So yeah, it's a it's a good
• 1:24:19
  time. I liked it a lot.
• 1:24:22
  God, I guess the only thing that we could change is just fix
• 1:24:25
  Shawnee's wig I guess. Put a little more like yeah, but
• 1:24:30
  don't make it so clear she was an afterthought.
• 1:24:32
  Yeah, for sure. OK.
• 1:24:36
  Who did you relate to? Do we not want to talk about
• 1:24:38
  Talia and Zoe? Oh yeah, Yeah, Talia.
• 1:24:40
  So what do you think of this? OK, so we got to talk about them
• 1:24:43
  together because Zoe was fighting herself in the kitchen
• 1:24:46
  and Talia had to go stop Zoe from fighting herself in the
• 1:24:48
  kitchen, which I feel like is really kind of a metaphor for
• 1:24:50
  John Kramer in this movie. So I think Talia quite enjoyed
• 1:24:56
  it. She was very fully immersed.
• 1:24:57
  So she gives it A10 as well. To be fair, we have given her
• 1:25:02
  she has a God complex. And dyslexia.
• 1:25:09
  Yeah. So she does probably relate to
• 1:25:10
  John Cramer there. And do you want to explain that
• 1:25:12
  joke or do you want? To just, no, that's it, that's
• 1:25:14
  the joke. I'm not going to explain the
• 1:25:16
  joke. It takes away the funniness of
• 1:25:18
  it. Who do you think, Zoe, who is
• 1:25:22
  Zoe's ultimate hunter or Zoe's ultimate warrior?
• 1:25:26
  What is it that we called it? Zoe's ultimate warrior.
• 1:25:31
  Yeah, because that is like this show basically where Ultimate
• 1:25:36
  Ninja Warrior or whatever, God, I I mean, she's got to respect
• 1:25:44
  Amanda in this movie for going out there and collecting all
• 1:25:47
  these people. But I think she also she
• 1:25:51
  respects she also does the technique that the people did
• 1:25:54
  when they like Blind side John and like kidnap him.
• 1:25:59
  Just like jumping out of the blue and then like kind of
• 1:26:01
  getting all up in your face and being aggressive, kind of
• 1:26:03
  getting you with the confusion there.
• 1:26:05
  I don't know what's happened. My name is John.
• 1:26:08
  Like she does have to scout. Like she'll jump out at her just
• 1:26:10
  like who are you? Who are you?
• 1:26:13
  Hear me out. My votes for Carlos.
• 1:26:16
  Why Carlos? Because Carlos is out there,
• 1:26:18
  calls on a racket and tapping, yeah, tapping.
• 1:26:23
  And he gets pulled in and and wins a fight he didn't even know
• 1:26:26
  he was gonna have so. OK, yeah, you know what?
• 1:26:29
  Sure. I mean, he didn't do any
• 1:26:30
  hunting. But that kid, you know, he, he
• 1:26:33
  did good. Yeah, OK.
• 1:26:35
  All right, who did you relate to?
• 1:26:37
  Who did I relate to? I guess I related to the person
• 1:26:46
  being dropped off by Diego before he gets pignapped 'cause
• 1:26:52
  I don't like to drink and drive. I'm responsible like that, so I
• 1:26:56
  will Uber so. That's fair.
• 1:26:59
  I relate to Hoffman because the entire time in this movie I was
• 1:27:03
  just thinking to myself of all of the.
• 1:27:04
  People. Closest all of the people.
• 1:27:06
  You decide to fuck with you fuck with John Kramer.
• 1:27:09
  That is epic bad luck. I related hard to that one.
• 1:27:12
  It's like that's exactly what I've been thinking.
• 1:27:14
  I remember my mom when we watched this together.
• 1:27:17
  She like when she the scam reveal happened she goes of all
• 1:27:22
  the people to fuck off. I know.
• 1:27:24
  I mean like, that's the worst guy to.
• 1:27:27
  Yeah. Even people that don't directly
• 1:27:30
  fuck with him, he's like, I hate that person.
• 1:27:32
  I'm going to get them in a death trap.
• 1:27:34
  But this time you actually fuck with him directly.
• 1:27:37
  Yeah, you're going to get fucked up in the most satisfying of
• 1:27:41
  ways, OK? Which trap do you think you
• 1:27:46
  could survive? Because we don't do dream
• 1:27:47
  sequels for. This right?
• 1:27:51
  God, these are some. These are some rough traps.
• 1:27:54
  This I can't cut off my leg, I can't take out my brain.
• 1:27:58
  So. I can do the Diego one.
• 1:28:01
  I can cut out the pipe bombs. I I I am too squishy about
• 1:28:07
  knives. I think I'd have to do
• 1:28:09
  Gabriella's. Yeah, hers would be my second
• 1:28:13
  one. I've.
• 1:28:13
  Broken enough bones that like, yeah, it will suck, but I also
• 1:28:16
  know it'll heal, you know? Yeah.
• 1:28:18
  Oh and also I think it depends on your partner for the.
• 1:28:22
  Also, I have weak bones so I don't think I'd have to like
• 1:28:24
  whack them that often. I think I just like.
• 1:28:26
  I think I could do like one and I'd be good.
• 1:28:28
  I think you'd be OK with the blood one.
• 1:28:31
  If you have a good partner, you can survive that one because you
• 1:28:33
  can just you got to like share the load.
• 1:28:35
  You'll be fine. You just got to wait for them to
• 1:28:36
  try and find money, which you know, so a lot of the thing
• 1:28:42
  about this movie is a lot of them are survivable other than I
• 1:28:46
  would say Mateo's because his like you're you don't know what
• 1:28:52
  you're going to hit when. You're.
• 1:28:52
  Yeah. Like that's the thing I get
• 1:28:54
  John's point about like the, the brain is like, neuroplasticity
• 1:28:58
  is a hell of a thing. It's really amazing.
• 1:29:00
  I recommend reading up on it because it's cool as hell.
• 1:29:03
  However, yeah, you don't know what you're grabbing out of your
• 1:29:06
  brain. Yeah.
• 1:29:07
  And that you can fuck up some very serious stuff.
• 1:29:11
  That's the cool thing about this movie though is other than his I
• 1:29:14
  feel like he got the short end of the stick for.
• 1:29:17
  I don't know why him specifically that should have
• 1:29:19
  been Cecilia, but a lot of them are survivable.
• 1:29:24
  It's just the ones that didn't survive it.
• 1:29:26
  They waited too long to do it. Yeah.
• 1:29:28
  So, yeah, OK. So I'm gonna go with Diego.
• 1:29:32
  OK. All right, All right.
• 1:29:36
  I think that's stuff for. That tagline.
• 1:29:38
  Tagline. Let's see.
• 1:29:45
  Oh, oh, OK, hold on. I was going to try and do
• 1:29:48
  something with like a game and timeouts and try and tie it into
• 1:29:52
  the time jump, but I can't quite put the pieces there together
• 1:29:55
  for it. Good bones, for one.
• 1:29:58
  Yeah, you got to think that one through.
• 1:30:05
  I think it would just be funny to just have it be this time.
• 1:30:09
  It's epic bad luck. New game, it's called We win,
• 1:30:16
  you lose, epic. Bad luck.
• 1:30:19
  Yeah. Jigsaws have feelings too.
• 1:30:29
  OK, I'm gonna put a pen in that one.
• 1:30:33
  Another one I have is exact. His revenge or your revenge?
• 1:30:40
  My revenge. All right, let's use your
• 1:30:44
  reason. I'm tired of thinking of this
• 1:30:46
  one and that. One made me laugh, so let's.
• 1:30:47
  Just go with this. I don't.
• 1:30:49
  Know Roll back the tape. OK, all right.
• 1:30:56
  Well, I guess that means it's time for reviews.
• 1:30:59
  OK, so I'm going to go with an Internet review that I pulled
• 1:31:03
  from IMDb, so one out of 10. Oh.
• 1:31:06
  Wow. I love the original, saw it was
• 1:31:08
  clever, unique and went full circle.
• 1:31:10
  I don't. I don't care much for the gore,
• 1:31:13
  but do like the psychological aspect to the Saw movies.
• 1:31:16
  I read lots of reviews before going to see this tonight,
• 1:31:19
  promising it to be much like the original.
• 1:31:21
  It was not. It had a promising start, a
• 1:31:23
  mediocre twist, and it seemed to run out of its own clever
• 1:31:26
  torture tricks slash rigs. I was bored throughout and my
• 1:31:29
  eyes were dropping at some point.
• 1:31:31
  I wanted to like it, but it got worse and worse and there even
• 1:31:34
  seemed to be a bit at the end when the credits started to roll
• 1:31:37
  that just seems added in there like it was forgotten, which I
• 1:31:43
  think he kind of said. To you.
• 1:31:44
  I did. I did make that joke.
• 1:31:46
  Odd that people are reviewing this so highly.
• 1:31:49
  It's not scary or entertaining. It's not even clever in the
• 1:31:53
  terms of the torture rigs and a real anti climax.
• 1:31:57
  And probably about time they stopped making these.
• 1:32:01
  I guess, and again, I think this all comes back to what is it
• 1:32:04
  about the original Saw that you like will dictate what you like
• 1:32:08
  about any sequels. Do you think they like the
• 1:32:11
  police part? The procedural stuff.
• 1:32:13
  They might they might enjoy the the mystery surrounding Jigsaw
• 1:32:18
  like it might be one of those it's scarier if you don't know
• 1:32:21
  anything about the killer. Maybe it's that, I don't know.
• 1:32:25
  I think if you're the type of person that likes the drama of
• 1:32:29
  all of it, this is a really good one.
• 1:32:32
  I've. Seen some too.
• 1:32:33
  Yeah, it's a bit different. Yeah.
• 1:32:36
  It doesn't necessarily fall in line with the other ones and it.
• 1:32:39
  Is it is weird and it is uncomfortable to sit with
• 1:32:41
  thinking about the fact that you're relating to the killer,
• 1:32:45
  but you know. But it's different.
• 1:32:47
  Yeah, it's different. Which I guess if you're wanting
• 1:32:49
  a classic sock experience, it might not be that, but you know,
• 1:32:53
  like it's not too far from the formula, it's just a little bit
• 1:32:56
  different. Whatever, I get it.
• 1:32:59
  OK, customer reviews. We'll start off with our alone
• 1:33:03
  Instagram one, which was from Cube Saves who says weirdly the
• 1:33:05
  best saw in a while, which yeah, they were kind of fumbling there
• 1:33:10
  for a minute. Jigsaw is OK, It wasn't the
• 1:33:14
  best. So a lot of people were lesson
• 1:33:16
  enthusiastic about it and I think a lot of people were also
• 1:33:19
  kind of not super enthusiastic with Spiral.
• 1:33:23
  Yeah, it's. Like a return.
• 1:33:25
  Return to form in a way. I guess it depends on who you
• 1:33:28
  ask. That's also true.
• 1:33:30
  Yeah. So, yeah, it is kind of weird
• 1:33:33
  that they like had one of the better saw movies of the entire
• 1:33:35
  franchise this way in the game. But I'm kind of glad that they
• 1:33:38
  are able to do that. So absolutely.
• 1:33:41
  OK, let's do reviews over on Twitter.
• 1:33:44
  We got quite a few over. Yes, Twitter was popping y'all.
• 1:33:50
  OK, we'll start off with Lord Zombie, who says what happens to
• 1:33:53
  the pod after that. Oh, that's because I said it was
• 1:33:55
  our last one for now. We go do a different franchise.
• 1:33:59
  Don't you? Worry.
• 1:34:00
  And yeah, As for Saw, XI would put it in my top three Saw
• 1:34:04
  movies. It was great to see Jigsaw and
• 1:34:06
  meet an equal. The traps are really good, if
• 1:34:08
  not set up in a little collector style.
• 1:34:11
  Where did he get the time? Nice to see it not deal with
• 1:34:15
  past movies. I you know what?
• 1:34:17
  Yeah, like I think that. And I think maybe that does kind
• 1:34:22
  of help with some of the Saw fatigue.
• 1:34:23
  It's like not having to remember what happened in past movies.
• 1:34:26
  Yeah, I think that that probably does too.
• 1:34:28
  Like you're not having to deal with all that continuity, which
• 1:34:30
  is kind of nice. The traps were pretty elaborate,
• 1:34:34
  very more so than in that era of like saw two.
• 1:34:40
  Which was like a. House and one was just a
• 1:34:43
  bathroom. So but yeah, no, I I do like
• 1:34:48
  what they did with it. I like the approach that they
• 1:34:50
  had, Kevy, Kev says. I was really happy with this.
• 1:34:53
  Having Tobin Bell back, a return to roots of sorts was very
• 1:34:56
  enjoyable, and it was pulled off completely reasonably, in a way
• 1:35:00
  that didn't try to rob the viewer of sensibilities.
• 1:35:02
  Big bonus on top of an otherwise good story in film.
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  OK, yeah, I mean, Tobin's been there most of the time, so it's
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  not like we were missing him or anything, but it was good to
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  bring him back in a meaningful way.
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  Yeah, make him like an actual feature.
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  Yeah. Focal point of the movie for
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  sure. Steven Cunningham says, I
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  honestly loved it. I didn't expect much and it blew
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  my expectations out of the water.
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  I think that's what a lot of people kind of came in with.
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  Nobody expected it to be as good as it is, Fluffy Uzu says.
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  My only complaints about this film are that it lacks a lot of
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  what I loved about the original franchise.
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  No soap opera detective work and crazy twist.
• 1:35:42
  Cecilia is also too comically evil.
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  But the worst part is that I felt the climax was
• 1:35:48
  underwhelming. Rest was amazing though.
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  I do, yeah. No, I definitely, I talked about
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  already that I felt like Cecilia was too much.
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  And, you know, I, I talked about, I enjoyed seeing Hoffman
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  pop up. Yeah.
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  We like the soft soap opera thing.
• 1:36:04
  Yeah, I do love it. But yeah.
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  But, you know, like, I think it was cool to at least give it a
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  rest for a second, like, do something a little bit different
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  with it, you know, Like, that's nice.
• 1:36:15
  Yeah. Maybe we'll get more cops stuff
• 1:36:17
  next time, or maybe they'll abandon it all together.
• 1:36:19
  If they get Kevin Reuter, I'm going to bet money that it's not
• 1:36:22
  going to do anything with COPS because he was on record saying
• 1:36:25
  he ace that part. Of it.
• 1:36:27
  Yeah, final review was from Chad, who sent us on long
• 1:36:31
  thought out one, he says. I enjoy the soft franchise
• 1:36:35
  overall. Even the worst Century Seven,
• 1:36:37
  it's still fun. And this could be a case of
• 1:36:40
  recency bias, but X might just be my favorite.
• 1:36:43
  The traps are incredible and inventive, smartly written
• 1:36:45
  script that once again shows you the inherent evils of the
• 1:36:49
  medical system and the con artists lying in wait.
• 1:36:52
  And yeah, Kramer is still dealing out his privileged form
• 1:36:56
  of justice and teaching, but you are just so on his side the
• 1:36:59
  whole time and get to explore his character and even more
• 1:37:02
  depth. This is a weirdly feel good
• 1:37:05
  movie for me. I mean for Christ's sake, we get
• 1:37:07
  to see a child get blood boarded.
• 1:37:09
  Let's hope the follow-ups can at least match this one in quality.
• 1:37:13
  Yeah, I it's, it's nice to actually root, like be on his
• 1:37:18
  side for once. It it gives you a little bit
• 1:37:21
  better understanding where he's coming from other than being
• 1:37:23
  pissed off of the world. Like you understand why he's mad
• 1:37:26
  at these people specifically? Yeah, and I liked the idea of
• 1:37:30
  them dealing with people that we can all relate to and hating and
• 1:37:34
  fucking con artists and scammers.
• 1:37:36
  So like, they're just a low, dirty people.
• 1:37:39
  Yeah. And it's always fun seeing them
• 1:37:42
  get what they deserve. Yeah, I absolutely love it.
• 1:37:44
  I really do. I'm.
• 1:37:46
  I'm worried for them because I'm worried that they have raised
• 1:37:50
  the bar so high with this one that the next one is just.
• 1:37:53
  Going to be able to and because they've been working on this one
• 1:37:55
  for years. Yeah, they had a lot of time to
• 1:37:57
  tool. Yeah, things with this one.
• 1:37:59
  Yeah, I maybe that Chris Rock intervention was a bit of a
• 1:38:03
  blessing. OK, so that's it for socks and
• 1:38:09
  that means it's a for soft franchise.
• 1:38:11
  We don't release our ranking at some point.
• 1:38:14
  We don't have a definitive date yet, but it it'll be out there,
• 1:38:17
  yeah, eventually. Yeah, a whole.
• 1:38:20
  Bit but that means that we can start focusing on next week's
• 1:38:23
  movie, which is our final prime movie and it's also our
• 1:38:27
  anniversary movie and that's going to be society and right
• 1:38:33
  now I'm sorry, Morgan, if you can watch it on Sling TV, Plex,
• 1:38:38
  Fubo TV, Philo, YouTube primetime, Amazon Prime premium,
• 1:38:43
  YouTube TV premium or you can rent it from Google Play or
• 1:38:46
  Fandango at home. Is it on shutter right now?
• 1:38:49
  I don't see AMC listed, so I don't.
• 1:38:51
  I think so, no. Yeah, I guess I'm kind of
• 1:38:55
  surprised. I thought that this would have
• 1:38:57
  been A to be movie, but I guess it's not.
• 1:38:58
  Yeah, so it's, if you haven't seen the movie, it's wild.
• 1:39:04
  And I don't want to say anything else because I don't want to
• 1:39:06
  spoil anything. But yeah, I mean, like, if you
• 1:39:08
  want to watch it for free, watch it on Plex.
• 1:39:10
  It's like that's the only free app that I see.
• 1:39:12
  So yeah, it's just fucking weird.
• 1:39:16
  Don't if you don't know what's going to go on.
• 1:39:18
  And then don't just kind of go into this one blind and thank us
• 1:39:22
  later or. Hate us later.
• 1:39:24
  I don't know whatever you choose to do.
• 1:39:25
  Form your own opinion. Yeah, it's it's a wild ass movie
• 1:39:28
  and I am really excited for us to talk about.
• 1:39:31
  It Yeah, we've been waiting for the right time and it finally
• 1:39:33
  feels good time, yeah. It's a good time for it.
• 1:39:36
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• 1:39:41
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• 1:39:57
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• 1:41:22
  Right. Until then, bye.
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  Are you OK? Oh, sneeze.
• 1:41:39
  Yeah, OK, OK. There's their out too.
• 1:41:43
  Until I actually sneeze 'cause it's still in there, OK?