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The Tale of Sisyphus · College Football with Stugotz & The Bear

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  Speaker 1: College football with Stu Gatz and the Bear.
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  Speaker 2: And, of course, everyone knows the exact right time to
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  Speaker 2: start a college football show is week four of the
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  Speaker 2: college football season.
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  Speaker 3: There's T-Bob again.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. Special guest. Glad to be back, guys. Love
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  Speaker 1: coming to hang out with Stu Gatz and the Bear.
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  Speaker 1: College football.
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  Speaker 3: Mario Cristobal, head coach at the University of Miami. Thank
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  Speaker 3: you for joining us.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't find any value in it.
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  Speaker 4: Humans, like, just spewing diarrhea out of their mouth.
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  Speaker 1: With Stu Gotts.
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  Speaker 4: I can give a rat's fat ass about what he
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  Speaker 4: says or does.
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  Speaker 3: And the Bear.
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  Speaker 4: The Bear is awesome.
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  Speaker 1: You're listening to College Football with Stu Gotts and the Bear.
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  Speaker 2: Coming off a big college football weekend, it is College
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  Speaker 2: Football with Stu Gotts and Bear. And our guest, yet again,
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  Speaker 2: is T-Bob. And I have to be honest with you, T-Bob,
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  Speaker 2: I enjoyed, and I think the rest of the country enjoys,
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  Speaker 2: watching Lane Kiffin lose the way Lane Kiffin lost on
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  Speaker 2: Saturday night.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: So here we go. Here we go. Starts early today,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't it, guys? I mean, yeah, let's talk LSU-Kentucky to
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  Speaker 1: start the show. When we had Georgia-Alabama this weekend, we
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  Speaker 1: had the number one team in the country going down.
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  Speaker 1: But sure, let's talk Lane and LSU. What do you
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  Speaker 1: want to say, Stu? Get it off your chest.
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  Speaker 3: I love Will Stein. I'm a Will Lever. How about that? Ooh, yes.
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  Speaker 1: I like Stein, too.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I love him.
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  Speaker 1: We had him on Wub last week, and unfortunately, I
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  Speaker 1: wished him best of luck this weekend after the interview.
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  Speaker 1: I wish I'd have done that, because look at what happened.
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  Speaker 1: Hoisted on my own batard. I mean, look, you know what?
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  Speaker 1: We're here. So thanks, Stu. Since you did that, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to start. LSU, Kentucky. How about that?
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  Speaker 3: I have a question for you.
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  Speaker 2: If Kentucky, if Will Stein calls LSU and says, and
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  Speaker 2: Kentucky calls LSU and says, hey, we'll give you Will
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  Speaker 2: Stein for Lane Kiffin.
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  Speaker 3: What does LSU say today?
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  Speaker 4: No, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, we cannot be so reactive.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, we can.
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  Speaker 1: To the small sample. Okay. I do agree with the
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  Speaker 1: idea that is going around. I think it is spot on.
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  Speaker 1: At a day and age, where we witnessed Will Stein
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  Speaker 1: do what Kentucky just did in back-to-back weeks, and we
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  Speaker 1: witnessed what Bob Chesney is doing at UCLA, beating Oregon
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  Speaker 1: State undefeated, now minus odds to make the playoff. There
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  Speaker 1: are no excuses for timeline. There can be resource excuses
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  Speaker 1: for But there are no excuses for timeline. Unfortunately, Lane
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  Speaker 1: Kiffin does not have said resource excuse. So I'll be
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  Speaker 1: unequivocally clear for all you dolts out there, Stu Chief
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  Speaker 1: among them. If Lane Kiffin does not make the college
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  Speaker 1: football playoff, it is a failure of a season. Bottom line.
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  Speaker 1: Full stop. It doesn't mean I don't think he won't
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  Speaker 1: make the playoff in the future. It doesn't mean I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that he's a good person for the job still.
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  Speaker 1: But again, unequivocally, if LSU does not make the playoff,
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  Speaker 1: of which 99% sure they will not, then it is
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  Speaker 1: a bad year. Because there are no excuses, and LSU
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  Speaker 1: has $ 50 million poured into the roster. So they have
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  Speaker 1: to be doing better than losing on the road to
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  Speaker 1: Kentucky against a very good Kentucky team, a fun Will
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  Speaker 1: Stein team. But yeah, it was bad. And yeah, everybody
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  Speaker 1: hates us. Everybody hates.
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  Speaker 4: You're right, though, because you've got JMU Bloomington, you've got
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  Speaker 4: JMU Pasadena, and you've got JMU, like all the quick
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  Speaker 4: turnaround rebuilds. The whole Lincoln rally, this is year five.
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  Speaker 4: We finally are getting to where we need to be.
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  Speaker 4: That shit don't fly no more. Clearly, if you get
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  Speaker 4: the right schedule and you hit on your transfers and
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  Speaker 4: you hit on your hire, you hit on your resources,
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  Speaker 4: you got money people, you can absolutely do this In
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  Speaker 4: year one.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Bear, what'd you make of, we think T-Bob froze here.
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  Speaker 2: We'll try to get him reconnected here. He was so
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  Speaker 2: upset that we went right after Lane Kiffin and LSU.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not certain if he quit the show or not.
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  Speaker 2: What'd you make of, Mikey, what happened there?
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  Speaker 3: You said we, like I did it and Bear did it.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: You went after Lane Kiffin and LSU.
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  Speaker 4: It was just like a.
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  Speaker 2: All I'm saying is Brian Kelly could have done that.
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  Speaker 2: I'll say that while T-Bob's not here.
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  Speaker 3: But come on, Mikey.
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  Speaker 2: You took some delight in Lane Kiffin losing to Kentucky
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  Speaker 2: a basketball school.
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 4: They are clearly in a difficult spot now, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 4: It is a very cesspoolish type atmosphere down there. I'm
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  Speaker 4: sure the fans are. The one thing I love about LSU,
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  Speaker 4: I think I mentioned this to T-Bob as well. The
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  Speaker 4: thing I love about LSU fans is is they are
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  Speaker 4: brutally honest. Like, when they are good, they will tell
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  Speaker 4: you they are good. When they are bad, they will
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  Speaker 4: tell you they are bad, and they will shit on
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  Speaker 4: their coach, they will shit on this. They are incredibly honest,
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  Speaker 4: and I am sure that they are as angry and
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  Speaker 4: upset with the tatter realism in there as Kebab is
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  Speaker 4: right now. But at least they have a game this
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  Speaker 4: week against Mississippi State, who's got a number in front
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  Speaker 4: of their name, a ranked team to kind of get
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  Speaker 4: them off the mat. You look at the schedule the
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  Speaker 4: rest of the way, the path to a playoff is
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  Speaker 4: still there. You can still go 10-2, even though I
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  Speaker 4: don't know how many people would think they are going
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  Speaker 4: to win out, but the potential is still there. So
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  Speaker 4: as long as, that's the thing in college football now.
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  Speaker 4: If you are Oregon or LSU or, a team that
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  Speaker 4: you are expecting to Penn State last year, Clemson last year,
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  Speaker 4: a team that is expecting to make the playoff, and
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  Speaker 4: you pick up loss number two, loss number three, and
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  Speaker 4: those goals of winning a title and making the playoff
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  Speaker 4: are gone. Like, what happens then? Like, that's what I
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  Speaker 4: would be worried about if LSU does lose another game. Like,
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  Speaker 4: what happens then?
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  Speaker 2: T-Bob is back with us now. While you were gone,
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  Speaker 2: I said Brian Kelly could do what Lane Kiffin is doing.
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  Speaker 2: But let's get off of LSU here and get to
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  Speaker 2: the games that most people want to talk about.
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  Speaker 3: Alabama, Georgia, Texas, Oklahoma. T-Bob, take us away here. Go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. And real quick, Kentucky's not a basketball school anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody's a basketball school until they sup from the cup
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  Speaker 1: of football success. Make no mistake. I called them Indiana 2.0.
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  Speaker 1: They're a football school.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Georgia, Alabama.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Super heavyweight matchup. And, I mean, boys, it delivered.
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  Speaker 3: All counts.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Georgia trails for the first time on the
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  Speaker 1: entire year due to a zero seconds on the clock
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  Speaker 1: run play from the one to score a touchdown. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is all type of stuff. Bear, what I want
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  Speaker 1: to highlight though, Keelan Russell was fantastic, but in the end,
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  Speaker 1: The difference in this game to me was Gunnar Stockton's experience,
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  Speaker 1: which statistically showed up on third down. He goes 10
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  Speaker 1: of 11 for over 100 yards, six first downs, zero
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  Speaker 1: sacks on third down. Do you know how hard that
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  Speaker 1: is against that Alabama defense in that environment? So the
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  Speaker 1: experience factor for Gunnar Stockton reigning supreme here.
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  Speaker 4: And that's the thing with a quarterback with experience. everything
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  Speaker 4: moves so fast. And what you, what you mentioned about
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  Speaker 4: Keelan is absolutely correct. He is going, you see the ability,
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  Speaker 4: you see the potential greatness, but still at times there's
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  Speaker 4: that little bit of hesitation where it calls you a
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  Speaker 4: half a second to think with gutter. It's ABC, boom, boom, boom, progress, progress, progress.
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  Speaker 4: And you're Keelan. It's still okay. Run through. And that
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  Speaker 4: ultimately wasn't like, look, full, full disclosure here. I am
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  Speaker 4: mad at Delta airlines and it hurts me to say,
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  Speaker 4: because I am getting close to 2 million miles on there.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Unless they want to sponsor the show, of course.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Then we love Delta.
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  Speaker 4: I would love Delta.
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  Speaker 1: It'd be a good make good.
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  Speaker 4: I would love Delta to sponsor the show. So, but,
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  Speaker 4: but I was a little upset with my flight home
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  Speaker 4: from Detroit on Saturday night, the wifi did not work.
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  Speaker 4: So I was in the dark there. the dish TV
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  Speaker 4: stream or a direct TV stream or whatever they used
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  Speaker 4: to stream didn't work. So I literally was flying in
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  Speaker 4: the dark, no communication to the outside world to be
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  Speaker 4: able to see anything after the first score of the
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  Speaker 4: second half of Georgia, Alabama, until I got home. And
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  Speaker 4: that's when I read about the fumble lock and the
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  Speaker 4: pass interference. It should have been pass interference and, and
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  Speaker 4: all of that. So I apologize for not having any
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  Speaker 4: more detailed answers about, on specific plays in the second half.
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  Speaker 3: I don't blame Delta. I blame you. Listen to me.
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  Speaker 3: I don't blame Delta. I blame you. Okay, Bear? Well, yes,
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  Speaker 3: I do.
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  Speaker 2: Because when you know you have Alabama, okay, and you
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  Speaker 2: know you have Georgia, and you love college football the
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  Speaker 2: way you love college football, you don't risk it by
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  Speaker 2: taking a flight and maybe the internet isn't working and
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  Speaker 2: you're going to miss the game and you can't talk
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  Speaker 2: about specific plays. You stay put in your hotel and
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  Speaker 2: you watch that game. You fly home Sunday morning.
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  Speaker 3: How about that?
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  Speaker 4: Do I should have stayed in Omaha? Is what you're saying?
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  Speaker 3: You should have stayed in Omaha.
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  Speaker 1: If you cared enough, yes. You don't stay there for
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  Speaker 1: like a month straight for college baseball.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to say, if it was.
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  Speaker 4: June, I'd fly home.
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  Speaker 3: I love it.
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  Speaker 4: That was where my college career ended, by the way.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: As a senior in Miami, 1994 College World Series.
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  Speaker 1: Hell, yes. What a great response.
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  Speaker 3: I should have.
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  Speaker 4: Stayed in Omaha. Do we have the name of the
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  Speaker 4: pod right there?
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: But, T-Bob, let me ask you, do you feel like
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  Speaker 2: the refs ruined the ending of that game? Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm like the, the, the pass interference was absurd.
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  Speaker 1: That was Nola. No call ask. Like I have, as
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  Speaker 1: a saints fan, I have seen that firsthand. I know
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  Speaker 1: how frustrated no world, which said it's not a pass interference.
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  Speaker 1: It's impossible to explain that said, in my opinion, The
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  Speaker 1: fumble look, that should not be the lead here because
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  Speaker 1: I can never escape boxing analogies when I think about
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  Speaker 1: football games. And if you just look at this game
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  Speaker 1: from a game flow standpoint and the punches that each
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  Speaker 1: side landed, this was an all-time matchup in Tuscaloosa. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Georgia goes on the road. Did you hear the pregame speech?
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  Speaker 1: This is a me or him game.
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  Speaker 3: Me or him.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I don't care about the scoreboard. I want to
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  Speaker 1: make them feel us. Like, I listened to that pregame speech.
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  Speaker 1: I got goosebumps right now. My heart started beating faster.
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  Speaker 1: Like Pavlov's dog, my adrenaline started pumping. So Georgia goes
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  Speaker 1: on the road, and what do they do? They immediately
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  Speaker 1: go out to a 10-0 lead. You're about to land
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  Speaker 1: in the open and flurry. But then Alabama down 10-0,
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  Speaker 1: six minutes left in the first half. They roar back 14-10,
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  Speaker 1: going in half. So what does UGA do after taking
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  Speaker 1: on the chin? First drive, second half, touchdown drive. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's crazy. Just bang, bang, bang, back and forth. And
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  Speaker 1: I love the game. I thought both these teams are fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: They're both going to continue to be fantastic. Both will
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  Speaker 1: be playoff teams who knows who will win the rematch,
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  Speaker 1: who knows could eventually host a trophy at the end.
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  Speaker 1: But what an opening salvo from just two very disciplined,
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  Speaker 1: excellent college football teams. Like, yeah, the refs know that
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  Speaker 1: sucked or whatever, but that's not the story to me.
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  Speaker 4: I always wondered, I always wondered, guys, why on like
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  Speaker 4: third or fourth down in a big play situation or
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  Speaker 4: a late game, like the best play is just throw
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  Speaker 4: it up on like a medicine ball, like throw a P.I. route,
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  Speaker 4: just badly underthrown, make the receivers stop about 10 yards
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  Speaker 4: too soon. D.B. runs into him. P.I. first down. Like
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  Speaker 4: I would I would call that play like if I'm
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  Speaker 4: the offensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like on that play every single time.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Both those teams, to me, are playoff teams. Might be
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  Speaker 2: the two best teams in the country, top to bottom.
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  Speaker 2: They're really good football teams. That was a great game.
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  Speaker 2: I am wondering, though, in an odd way, do you
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  Speaker 2: think Alabama feels better about Kalen DeBoer after that game
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  Speaker 2: than any of his victories?
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  Speaker 4: I came away thinking more highly about Alabama than I
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  Speaker 4: did Alabama. going into the week. The Alabama and Nebraska,
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  Speaker 4: both in losses, I feel a hell of a lot
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  Speaker 4: better about both of those teams today than I did
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  Speaker 4: despite them being 5-0 going into them.
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  Speaker 1: No, and it's a good point, Stu. You saw a
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  Speaker 1: lot of humanity out on the board. Not that he's
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  Speaker 1: never been a terribly stoic coach, right? But, like, him
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  Speaker 1: getting fired up when he scored that touchdown right before
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  Speaker 1: half off.
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  Speaker 3: Looks like Saban, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What did you think about this, Stu? So, of course,
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the game, really, this would be
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  Speaker 1: the biggest black mark on the game would be the
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  Speaker 1: fact that it ends with an undisciplined punch after a play,
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  Speaker 1: which leads to a roughness penalty, and that's game right there.
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  Speaker 1: But DeBoer seems to be getting a lot of pushback.
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  Speaker 1: for yelling at his highly paid player who just cost
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  Speaker 1: him the game. And yeah, Bear, I don't get it
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  Speaker 1: at all. It's insane to me. What do you think?
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  Speaker 1: Even if they weren't getting paid, that kid deserved to
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  Speaker 1: have his ass chewed out. And even more so when
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  Speaker 1: he's probably making around a million dollars.
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  Speaker 4: I am so happy you brought that up because all
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  Speaker 4: we've heard, what was the story about Alabama coming into
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  Speaker 4: this year? Ah, they're soft up front. Kalen the board
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  Speaker 4: isn't tough. He doesn't have any fire. We need Saban.
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  Speaker 4: We need vigor and angst and accountability. So what does
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  Speaker 4: he do? He goes out there and reads in the
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  Speaker 4: riot act and account, you cost us the MF in game.
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  Speaker 4: And finally you see the fire, you see the angst,
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  Speaker 4: you see the accountability. And now we're, oh, why he
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  Speaker 4: shouldn't have done that to the youngster. What the hell
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  Speaker 4: are we talking about? Good for Kalen DeBoer. The kid
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  Speaker 4: did cost him the game.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's some frustration boiling over. No, the kid
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  Speaker 2: didn't cost him the game. The referees cost him the game.
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  Speaker 2: And there's no guarantee. There's no guarantee. But there's no guarantee, T-Bob. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but there's no guarantee that Georgia converts on that third down.
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  Speaker 3: There is no guarantee.
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  Speaker 2: I understand why Kalen's upset in that spot. I don't
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  Speaker 2: blame him for being upset at the kid and chewing
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  Speaker 2: the kid out. I have no problem with what Kalen
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  Speaker 2: DeBoer did. I'm just saying that's some frustration stemming over
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  Speaker 2: from the previous offensive drive that they had. And then
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  Speaker 2: he just unleashes on the kid. The kid deserved it,
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  Speaker 2: no question about it. He didn't cost them the game
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  Speaker 2: because Georgia still had to run a play. They pick
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  Speaker 2: up a first down and the game's over anyways.
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  Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, again, though, you cost them the game
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  Speaker 1: because it was a preventable mistake.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, yes.
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  Speaker 1: If you lose to Georgia because they out-execute you on
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  Speaker 1: a play, fine. I can live with that. I can't
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  Speaker 1: live on a, what do they call it in tennis?
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  Speaker 1: An unforced error? Yes. Completely unforced error to throw that
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  Speaker 1: punch there. But again, still, fantastic game. Play of the
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  Speaker 1: game to me, probably Gunnar Stockton ripping that third and
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  Speaker 1: eight on that final drive where it looked like Alabama
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  Speaker 1: was going to immediately get him off the field. And
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  Speaker 1: some of the windows. Stockton was willing to attack were
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  Speaker 1: some NFL windows. I don't know that there's a player
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  Speaker 1: in the country that I had my opinion change on more.
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  Speaker 1: Not that I was overly negative on him, but now
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  Speaker 1: I'm kind of a little horny for him than what I.
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  Speaker 3: Saw out of Gunnar Stockton.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Both quarterbacks. Yeah, both quarterbacks for that matter. Both guys, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Keelan Russell, you still see all the potential. But Keelan
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  Speaker 1: Russell's like watching like a Lamborghini. You expect it to
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  Speaker 1: be fast and impressive offensively. Gunnar Stockton's like an F-150
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  Speaker 1: or something. He's just like a blue-collar truck out there
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  Speaker 1: just banging and making plays.
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  Speaker 4: T-Bob's showing his Rasputin for Gunnar Stockton. Georgia.
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  Speaker 1: Kirby finally gets it done in Alabama. Been a long time.
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  Speaker 1: When we get back here on the College Football Show
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: with Stu Gotts of Bear, let's go to where I was.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: That's right. Let's head down to Texas. Number one goes
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: down at the State Fair next. All right, guys, welcome back.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: So it wasn't just Georgia-Alabama doing battle this weekend. Of course, Oklahoma-Texas,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: the state fair. And you want to talk about a
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: gem of a game.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: A walk-off kick. First time, I think the first time
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: that Oklahoma has ever beaten Texas on a walk-off game-winning
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: field goal and the first time they've ever beaten Texas
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: when they're number one. And if you talk about college football,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: if you love college football, you love rivalries. And this Saturday,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: this game right here, is the ultimate example of how
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: there is no better medicine for an upset fan base
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: for a season that has been thrown down the drain
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  Speaker 1: a quarter of the way in than to beat your
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  Speaker 1: arch rival on the stage. Oklahoma fans were on top
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: of the world Saturday in Dallas, Bear.
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: And they should have been. You look at the box score,
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: and we know I am big into looking at a
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: lot of the numbers, a lot of the analytics, the
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: win probabilities and things, fancy charts and graphs and numbers
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: to kind of, supporter dispute with it. Oklahoma, based on
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: the way the game flow went, had like a 7%
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: postgame expected win expectancy, which is ridiculous. And you look
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: at the box score, what, 230 yards, 13 offensive points,
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: just completely dominated statistically. But the way upsets happen, two
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: non-offensive touchdowns, bad interception there by Arch in the fourth quarter.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: put Oklahoma in a position to win. And I just
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: wonder what way this is going to go now for Texas.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: Because we keep waiting and waiting. We keep saying we're
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: waiting for Arch to play four quarters. We're waiting for
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: the offensive line. We're waiting for Cam Coleman to make
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: a play. How is this going to go the rest
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: of the way? Because you look at the schedule now,
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: You've got Florida this week. You've got four ranked teams
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: on the schedule after that. This feels like a 9-3
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: team to me. I did not think Texas was the
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: best team in the country. You had to respect the
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: win against Ohio State. You had to respect the win
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: at Neyland. You had a great resume, a great strength
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: of record. But the power rating still had Texas down.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: And then finally it showed on Saturday. I think there
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: are a couple more losses here waiting to find the Longhorns.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Texas went to the State Fair, T-Bob, and had some
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: humble pie. I mean, how about that? Yes, fried humble pie.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: And it was fried.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: And by the way, so this is interesting to me
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: because we talk about Sark as one of the great
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: offensive minds in college football. He's a quarterback whisperer. I
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: have not been impressed with Sark, with that offense, with
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Arch Manning. If he was such a great coach, such
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: a great offensive mind, that team would be better offensively
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: than they've been the entire year. They've been consistent at
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: one thing, being inconsistent offensively.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, that's consistently inconsistent is the perfect way.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: To describe that side of the ball for Texas right now. Now,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: it also, though, Bear, I don't know that I'm as
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: down on Texas leaving this game as maybe you are.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I still see 10-2. I still see playoff team. But
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: it's because of the defense, right? The defense remains incredible,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: and I think that'll be what carries them to whatever
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: their ceiling is going to be. to be this year. Uh, it's,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: it's man, it's just so tough with arch. Cause due
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: to your point, he, he throws his first ever career
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: pick six, right. And in that environment, like I can't
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: explain to you, dude, beat in that game, live absolute
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: bucket list. The 50-50 crowd split is one of the
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: more odd dynamics that I have ever been a part
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: of in my entire life. It creates so many weird
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: situations where, like, you've got to drive out of this
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: side of the stadium to get to the other so
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: it's not as loud. Or when you score on your
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: side of the stadium, it's unbelievable. Like, sometimes the other
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: team's doing chants, so you're doing chants trying to out-chant them. Incredible.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: But when Arch throws that pick six, it's his first ever.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: It happens on the Oklahoma side.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: And I was on that side. I pretended to be
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: a massive Sooner fan. It was so much fun.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: That a boy.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: When I tell you that place, you could not hear
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: yourself think.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: That shit's crazy. Insane.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: But what does he do? Then he comes out. He
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: drives Texas right down the field and he scores a touchdown.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: And you're like, wow, that's like as tough a response
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: you could possibly get. This is where Arch is going
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: to write his legend. And then he waffles back the
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: other way, and he throws another pick that ends up
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: setting up the loss.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: So it's like he was.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Right on the edge of greatness, right on the edge
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: of Ohio State 2.0, pulling it out, and he just couldn't.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: And so while I'm still bullish on Arch, I like
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Arch long-term, I like him in the NFL, I don't
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: know number one pick overall or whatnot, this is a
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: tough day for the Arch defenders. But, Bear, I think
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: a lot of this is the kind of rivalry factor.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: This was so clearly Oklahoma players, Super Bowl, Oklahoma fans,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl. They knew this was their golden ticket game.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: The season has been nothing but a disappointment. This was
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: the get-out-of-jail-free card that Venables and that entire program needed,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: and credit to them, they got it done.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: And now you get Kentucky coming in off of their
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: upset win. They upset Texas. No one wanted to bet
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: Oklahoma last week other than my guy Stanford Steve, who
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: called Oklahoma outright bad. Kudos to him. Now you're Oklahoma
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: at home laying a touchdown against a super confident, big balls,
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: Will Stein type of team going in there with a
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: ton of confidence. Bad spot for Oklahoma this week, too,
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: I think, coming off of that win. Great win last week,
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: but I would not want to be back in Oklahoma
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: this week because the– The analytics, the box score doesn't lie. Like,
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: they still are what they are offensively. We did unbelievable
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: things to happen on special teams and defense to win
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: this game. Like, the punt block caught me right before
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: going out of bounds. So nice. The margins were so slim.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: I would not want to be laying points with Oklahoma
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: this week to give.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: A little bit. I should say this as well. The...
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I love the toughness I saw at Oklahoma. I had
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: to go down 17-7, find a way to win. But
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: that Oklahoma offense is the most atrocious side of offensive
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: football I've ever been subjected to. If I had eaten mushrooms,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: I would have had a bad trip. Like I would
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: have called the police and said, my heart, I'm having
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: a heart attack. I need to get the hospital immediately.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Like that's how bad the offense is.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: It is so God awful, but for a day they
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: did enough, but I, but I'm with you bear. I
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: don't believe that these traits are necessarily replicable going forward.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: So I actually emerged out of the game. Like I'm
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: fine on Texas. I think they're fine. I think they're
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: going to be fine. Oklahoma's, got more losses coming in
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: their future.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Does that one win from a tear erase how bad
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: he's been for Oklahoma? I guess what I'm asking you
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: guys is, will he ever have to buy a drink
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: in Norman, Oklahoma again, regardless of whether or not he
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: wins another game?
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he's good. He's good. He's good. So he's,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: he's not as good as he could be. But he
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: was facing outcast status. It does not matter what happens
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: from here on out because he gave that fan base
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: a win over number one Texas in the Cotton Bowl. Like,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: he's fine. I fully believe that he is fine in
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: that town now. I don't know if McKeer is fine.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: If you are the guy who's fine, it's Tate Sandell,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: the kicker.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: He's fine. He is goaded, bronzed, anything. Because he was
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: frigging awesome last year. And Tate Sandell is the guy
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: who never has to pay for a beverage again in Norman.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: Put it on the poll. Who more never has to
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: pay for a drink in Norman?
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I will say, credit to the Oklahoma fan base. Because, again,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: I became best friends with all of them.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Were you walking around in Sooner garb? Were you saying
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: you were in the class of 18 or something like that?
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: No, I went to Cavender's Western Wear. I got this
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: cowboy hat. I got a button-up shirt to wear. I
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: got a belt buckle with an American flag that said,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: love it or leave it.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: I had cowboy boots on. So I just.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Dressed like a cowboy for the game. You should have
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: had a Bosworth jersey. And I was here for wherever
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: I ended up. But no, but I'll say this.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: I was going to say, that uni plays for both
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: sides there. I was going to say, you were golden
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: either way.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: The Sooner fans have an irrational belief in Mateer. They
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: kept saying, like, come on, Johnny. Johnny's got this. Johnny's
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: going to get us there.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: Really?
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, dude. And they would
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: express frustration as well. But then he did it with Catania.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: He made the throws that he had to.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: To win in the end. So shout out to Oklahoma.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: And by the way, if you can ever get down
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: to the State Fair and the game itself, Unreal.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: Unbelievable.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Bucket list checked. Next on this list, you opened the
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: show making fun of me for LSU, Stu. Yes. And
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: one of the use cases for why Lane Kiven and
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: LSU has no excuse is UCLA going on the road.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: into Autzen and winning 17-15 in one of the grossest,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: most inept, most pathetic displays of offensive football as I've
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: ever seen. Ten turnovers total in this game. Seven for
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: the Oregon Ducks, Bear.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: It was horrible. When you are a 12-point favorite, 11-point favorite,
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: and you score 15 points, that is not a good
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: thing physically. And I was talking with Bruce Feldman on
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Friday on Bruce and the Bear, one of the other
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: shows that I do. And he brought up something that
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: there was a coordinator in the Big Ten who felt
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: like they could really make life miserable for Dylan Riola.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: And a lot of times, and you may have been
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: on teams that have been this way, The backup comes in,
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: first game injury, you've got to go out there and play.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: You don't have time to think. You just go out there, play,
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: and you go great.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: And the other team doesn't have time to prepare, Bear.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: That's the other thing.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: And then second week comes.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: And you're playing league at Riley's defense.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: That too. And you get to start, and everything's well.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: And shit goes bad. And shit went bad. And could you–
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: I can't get there. That game was about bad Oregon,
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: not UCLA. UCLA was not great either. So Nico got hurt,
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: but like, come on.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: It's funny that you say that, Bear, because I, as
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: like a core tenet of how I analyze college football,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: I think we get so egocentric and we just want
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: to say it's all about the team that we cheer
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: for or it's all about the losing team. It's like,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I'm a firm believer in giving credit to the winner,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: but I wrote down, like, this is one of the
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: few instances where, no, this is more about Oregon. I mean,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: from seven turnovers. The interception by DeLaRoyola in the third
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: quarter that got him benched was the most mindless, out-of-his-depth,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: inexcusable interception I think I've ever seen in my life.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: And we did say going into the game that while
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Royola looked good, He still represented a variable that brought
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: a lot of volatility with it because we didn't know
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: exactly what it was going to be. And unfortunately now,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: we have a way bigger sample size that this game's
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Dylan Raiola is who he actually is versus what we
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: saw against USC.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: I think one of the interesting– go ahead, T-Bob. You
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: want to finish that thought? No, no, no. You got it.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Go.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: I was going to say because Bear knows how this works.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Both you guys know how this works, okay? Bob Chesney
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: is the hottest coach.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: He's hot.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: He's a good-looking guy. But he is a hot coach
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: right now. He goes into Oregon. UCLA was a terrible
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: team last year. Chesney has fixed that thing, and he
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: has done it quickly.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: He's young. He's energetic. He is good-looking.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: I am telling UCLA, enjoy him for the remainder of
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: this season because next season, that man is going elsewhere.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: And I am telling you that they are on massive
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: upset alert this week at home against Wisconsin. UCLA, they
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: were tied with scoreless at halftime against San Diego State.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: They need a bunch of turnovers in the fourth quarter,
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: a tie game against a kind of mediocre Cal team.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: I would be very, very careful this week. That line
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: stinks to high hell against Wisconsin.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: You two really are just a couple of miserable pricks. Yes.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, UCLA. UCLA just had to suffer. Sean Foster. Yeah.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: They weren't just bad guys. They were dead. They're tarping
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: over the stands. They're begging for money in the streets.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: They're panhandling.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: Are they still moving the sofa?
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: And here they are currently minus odds to make the
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: college football playoff And Stu says, sorry your coach is leaving.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Bear says, sorry, you're losing. They just won an auction, guys. Yeah,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: you gave the credit to Oregon.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: As did I. I'm glad you said minus odds to
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: make the playoff. Are they Big Ten number three? Like,
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: is there a path or a scenario out there? where
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: the Big Ten only gets two teams. Because if you're
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: looking at– well, Oregon's done. I mean, Oregon, I don't
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: think we can expect them to go to– No. You're
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: looking at USC, UCLA, Wisconsin– Northwestern Iowa, like these teams
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: could lose to anybody and all like wind up nine
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: and three or worse. Like, is there like a real
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: scenario out here? Cause Notre Dame is going to get
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: in the playoff. I think the big 12 is going
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: to get two teams in the playoff. Like could the
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: big 10 just get Ohio state in India? There's no
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: way that's going to happen.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Hmm.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I it's there's, there's, it's so impossible, right? I mean,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: when we see a nine and three team get in
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: last year, everybody ended up did it too. if this
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: weekend has proven one thing, it's that we need to
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: actually play the football games. Right. Because we don't actually
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: imagine that. We don't actually know who's going to win them.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: That's why when the college football playoff committee tells me
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: they just know who's better, I can't help but get
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: a little angry and laugh because you don't know. And
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: no one could have ever expected Bob Chesney to already
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: have this program where he does. And you know what
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: the craziest part about Chesney is? I can grasp a
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: new coach coming in being a quarterback whisperer, and because
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: he can suddenly get incredible production, like a Cignetti, out
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: of the most important position on the field, you win
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: football games. Bob Chesney went to a school that was
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: considered to be maybe the softest in the entire country,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: and at year one is winning with defense and running
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: the ball. And he doesn't even have good quarterback play.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: What if they did have a quarterback? It'd be great. So, like,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: unreal job by Bob Chesney, what he's been able to
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: do here early on.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: We've got a few more things to get to here
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: on the College Football Show. It's two gods and a bear.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere. A few more games to get to
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: on the other side. All right, welcome back. College Football Show,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Stu Gatz and the Bear. Guys, you ever heard the
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: tale of Sisyphus?
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: No.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Yes. You know, Stu, he's rolling the ball uphill.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: And he's constantly pushing the rock up the mountain, but
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: he never gets to the mountaintop. That's Nebraska football fans. Yeah,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: it's also Chris Paul. I mean, we're talking over 30
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: ranked losses in a row in that stadium. And there's
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: a lot of good games in there. Eventually, the Mavcots
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: would dictate they should stumble into a win. Anthony Calandria
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: played like a man on fire Saturday. And yet, in
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: the end, it took like three big plays out of
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Indiana to suck all the hope out of Nebraska's undefeated season,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: hand them another heartbreaking home loss and bear. Indiana survives
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: the test in Lincoln.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: Amazing. I came out of the game feeling a hell
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: of a lot better about Nebraska than I did going
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: into the week. But seriously, it's 17-6, and it's finally–
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: I texted with Jabba Chamberlain, like, it's finally going to happen. Like,
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: this can end, like, literally 10 seconds later is the
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: first long touchdown to Marsh, and you're like, ugh. And
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: then that's– no one has mastered losing games– in agonizing
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: fashion to rank teams like there's 31 straight rules lost 21.
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: It's just unfathomable where they stand. But I think moving
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: that game reminded me, it was like a combination of
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: the Iowa game last year for Indiana and throwing a
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: little bit of the Penn state game from Indiana, where
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: you thought they were done. And then they just found
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: a way to win the game. I do think moving forward,
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: you want to look, especially this weekend. So Iowa state,
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: They couldn't run the ball worth a damn against Nebraska.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: Are they going to be able to run the ball
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: against Ohio State? So there might be a couple of
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: little flickers, a couple of warning signs that this is
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: not an Indiana team at the caliber of last year.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: But shit, when they needed a big play from Hoover
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: and Marsh, they got it.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: I can't believe that we live in a world where
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Indiana beating Nebraska, like had they not beaten Nebraska, we
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: all would have criticized Indiana, Nebraska football school, Indiana basketball
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: school until last year, T Bob.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: And so I was.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Impressed with Indiana though, just showing the guts to be
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: able to pull that game out of the road because
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: everyone's waiting for Cignetti to endure a loss and go
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: on like a little bad streak here.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: And it hasn't happened yet. It might listen.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: It might start this weekend with Ohio state, but, but
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: I was impressed with Cignetti and with the toughness of
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: that football team.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: No, I'm a thousand percent with you. See, that's very funny.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: That was kind of my eagle eye takeaway from this game.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Like my bird's eye view when I zoomed everything out,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: like what actually stands out to me is just how
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: quickly it's such a testament. What Cignetti has done, how
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: quickly we've gotten to judging them at a national championship standard,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: crazy national champions. And like, In any other story, it's
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: already a story that shouldn't exist, and it can't be replicated.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: But in any other story, this would have been the
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: perfect opportunity for the fall. It's so hard to defend
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: a title. You lose the Heisman guy, the number one
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: overall pick. Surely this should have been the step-back opportunity.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: And sure, while maybe, I do think they'll lose to
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Ohio State this weekend. I think they'll still make the playoff,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: but I think they'll take a step back. But it's like,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: to still be so relevant and so good and still
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: what I believe to be a college football playoff team.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: And to get the production that you're getting out of
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Josh Hoover right now, which is in Mendoza, but it's
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: much cleaner than it ever was at TCU. And this
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: is what Kurt Cignetti does. If you go and look
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: at every quarterback that he's had since 2019, back to
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: his JMU and before days, he gets a guy, he
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: immediately transforms him, he makes him into an all-conference quarterback,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: they win football games. It's absurd the amount of consistency.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: And this year, although some will try to crap on
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: it because they're not as good as last year, this
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: year is in some ways even more impressive for Indiana. But, Bear,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: what was the postgame win expectancy on this? Because, I mean,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: I looked it up. Indiana's offense goes 1 of 10
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: on third down. Nebraska went 10 of 19. Nebraska doubled
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: up Indiana's rushing. Nebraska ran 75 plays to Indiana's 48.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: They had double the amount of time of possession. And
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: they found a way to lose the game.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: It really is. It is amazing. I did not see
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: that on the Bill Connolly list. So I would, I
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: would imagine it was probably like a, like a, like
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: a 35 or a 40. Like it's certainly, I think
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: post game would be Nebraska favorite to win the game.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: I want to spit it forward to Indiana for this week.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: And you mentioned sick daddy and you mentioned a national champ.
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: Like you are the rating national champion. You've won. What?
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: 20-something whatever games in a row, you've won however many
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: Big Ten games in a row. Last year in the
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: Big Ten championship game, you kicked the shit out of
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: Ohio State up front, made Julian Sainz see ghosts, a
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: couple of big stops on third and fourth down in
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: that game. They couldn't run the ball. And now you're
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: a home dog. He has to be absolutely loving this. Yes.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: this week to be in this spot.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Yes. That's true.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Ryan Day doesn't like it. He doesn't want to be
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: the favorite. I don't think at least.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: But Cignetti and Indiana has earned that.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: No one should be surprised if Indiana wins this game
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: at home against Ohio State. I think everyone thinks and
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: assumes Ohio State has the better roster, is the better team.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Some might think they're the better coach team. But no
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: one should be surprised at this stage of the game
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: if Indiana wins that game, goes to the playoff again,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: wins a national championship.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, why not? They've already done it, you know.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: I have a question for the group. Is Mike Elko
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: the biggest loser of the week in all of college football?
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: I had him as my Leisman Trophy winner for the week.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Really? Dan Lanning, huh?
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: Why are you taking on my man El Big Looch
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: like that? That is not anything.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Because Elko was my man.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Stu, do you know Billy Loochie?
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: No, I don't know Billy Loochie. I have no idea. Looch.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Texags.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Is a Texas A & M fan site, right? And
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: that makes it sound kind of quaint. It is anything but.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: This is an empire of college football fans that wield
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of power. And here Mike Elko is, the
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: second after they get dominated by Mizzou, which, shout out
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: to Mizzou, Jamal Roberts, awesome. Austin Simmons, Cain Lee, awesome.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Cain Lee? Dominate, dominate Texas A & M. and Mike
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Elko gets up there after the game, and the creator
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: of Tex-Ex is Billy Lucci, and he mentions that, look,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: you know, there's two sorts of fans. There's the fans
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: who are with us, and there's, like, Billy Cesspool. and
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: I don't care about Billy Sesspool. Well, guess what, Elko?
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Billy Sesspool's who.
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: Got you hired.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: They were going to hire Mark Stoops. The Sesspool got pissed,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: shut it down, and got you in there, and now
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: you turn on them at a moment where you need
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: them the most because you are absolutely failing on a
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: spectacular scale. It might be the biggest. It's a Plaxico
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Burris shoot. himself in the leg in the club level
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: of misstep from Mike Elko.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't do that. Seth Poole is the one
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: that's brought him in with the number one or number
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: two portal in recruiting class for the last couple of years.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: I'm sure it was a heat of the moment thing,
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: and I'm sure– he'll reach out to Billy.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: They've already talked. They've already talked.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Billy told him he's fired after the season.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: Marcel Reed, man.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, bad. Yes.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, I mean, look, we already kind of knew
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: he was bad last year, and that was bad with
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: a great rushing attack and a really good offensive line
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: and a really good defense. So, like, What happens when
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: you strip those elements away and then you get an
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: OC that's never called plays before? You see what happens.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but Elko can say, hey, made the playoff last year.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: And that's what we talked about at the beginning of
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: the season. The expanded playoff, if indeed it happens, and
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: it probably will. These coaches, and that team was good
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: last year. His team was good last year, and I
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: believe Elko is a good coach, and I do like him.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: And he's a friend.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: But yes, he can sustain this for a year at
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Texas A & M. If he has two years consecutively,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: he didn't have it last year. He went to the playoff,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: as we discussed. But if he has a bad year
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: this year, and it seems like they're going to have
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: a bad year, he'll be fine. He compiles that by
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: having another bad year next year. That's unacceptable at Texas
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: A & M. And that's how quickly it turns on
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: you in college coaching.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: Speaking of coaches, is it funny how maybe Bill Belichick
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: didn't forget to learn how to coach, and maybe Michael
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: Lombardi actually put together a good roster. They are a
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: lengthy rain-weather-storm delay at Clemson. That game doesn't go to
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: a weather delay, or they run a play near the
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: goal line before the weather. They win that game, and
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: they're sitting 4-1 right now. We all left Carolina and
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: Belichick and Lombardi, left them for dead, and now they
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: might be okay. This looks like a bowl team.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, but you're paying a guy $ 10 million to be competent?
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: I mean... $ 10 million so they look like a bowl
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: team is tough.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, I do, but.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: But Bear might be right. I mean, you got to
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: get Belichick.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Listen, we crush him when he loses and all the
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: off-the-field stuff.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: That was a nice win for Belichick in Carolina. It was.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: I'm with you, Bear.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: That Pitt backup is terrible.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: By the way.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Then again, I was saying Mason Heintzschel, their starting quarterback
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: that made Pitt good, like, is out for the year, so...
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Let's not go. I can see Taylor pitching a tent
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: all the way from here in Chicago. Let's just tell
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: him to calm down a little bit. Okay.
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not happy.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Good for Taylor. But like you would see, I'm
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: not sure.
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: This is fine. I'm on the opposite side.
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: Actually.
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: Like you look at the teams that Belichick has beaten.
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: It's like a lacrosse player subbing in at quarterback, Jaden
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: Craig at TCU, and a backup quarterback here. It's not
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: really murderer's row of quarterbacks.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: You would take Bob Chesney right now, correct?
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: I'd drive to L.A. and pick him up myself.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, more housekeeping here real quick. USC Penn State, this
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: is actually one that I exercised free will for, and
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: to be completely honest, I opted out of. I spent
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: my Sunday catching up on all the other games.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: And I just, I looked down, I said, you know what?
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: I don't think that interests me that much. Bear opted
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: out of Alabama, Georgia. I mean.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, they're both night games, unavailable on GW
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: to BTL, BDL. But reading it and watching the mashup
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: of it.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: I never thought I'd say this, but like give USC's
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: defense credit for holding Penn State without a touchdown in
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: the second half. And this, we all knew the numbers
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: about SC going on the road, going to the Eastern
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: time zone. and he did not been good and to
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: get a win in a, in a toss up type
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: game is pretty big. Cause we talked about the big
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: 10 and how wide open that number three spot in
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: the big 10 is like, there is a, there is
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: a path for, for SC to potentially be a 10
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: and two now and make the college football play. But,
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: but how about you talk about Bob Chesty? He was
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: rumored to be the Penn State head coach. Maybe Jeff
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: Brom was rumored to be the Penn State head coach.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: They didn't get either of those. You bring in Matt Campbell,
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: who I like, and I think he's a good coach.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: But now you're sitting there three and three. You got
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: Michigan this week. The loser of this game probably isn't
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: making a bowl game. If you have Matt Campbell now
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: as a power four head coach, when you look at
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: these toss-up games, plus three, minus three, either way. He's 8-21. Wow. So, like,
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: the coin has landed on the wrong side for him
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: more often than that, and hopefully he'll have an opportunity
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: to get this thing turned around.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Not a good sign when you're getting outcoached by Lincoln Riley.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, and you have to give Lincoln some credit
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: here because it's two weeks ago, all of us in
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: a group text were saying Lincoln Riley is about to
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: get fired. He has saved his job again, and he
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: has saved their season. That was a good win. You
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: can say what you want about Penn State. That's a
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: good win going across the country, as you mentioned, Bear.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: But USC in the whiteout game, which they should stop
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: doing because they always play poorly when they do the whiteout.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: But USC here has a shot. I'm not saying they're
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: going to do it.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: I did not think I'd be saying this two weeks ago,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: but Lincoln Riley has a shot of making it to
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: the playoff.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: He does.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: So, okay. Well, that's like a child. I mean, you're
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: flying off the mountain a little over. I'll say this, this,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: this game is, was like Lincoln Riley's dialysis. We tried
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: to give the lethal injection to Lincoln Riley twice. He's
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: just like that woman the other day. He somehow survived
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: both doses, and now we got him on dialysis. He
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: survived by the skin of his teeth. I still think
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: he's dead, but for now, he's proven me wrong.
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: There's a pulse. I'm done. I mean, I don't know.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: I think if you survive lethal injection, maybe you should
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: just be like, all right, you know. I think you
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: get to live now. You did it.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Congrats.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: Wait, but do you live in prison? I mean, what
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: happens there?
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: No, you don't get free.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: You don't get total freedom.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: You don't get free. No, no, no, no. No, it's
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: not the get out of jail free card. But yeah,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley, very clearly still on the deathbed, or at
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: least I think so. And for Penn State, you know what?
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Bear.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: No, I was going to say, could you imagine if
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: there weren't all those Russian bot farms that hadn't been
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: struck down by Ukraine? We'd get some pretty interesting responses
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: from all the bot farms on Twitter right now.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: The only thing I'll say about Penn State, turns out,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: it was a pretty bold strategy to just take Iowa
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: State and move it to the Big Ten. Be like, yeah,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: this is going to be better than the Penn State
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: roster we had last year. Maybe not. Maybe not so much.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: And all of a sudden, James Franklin doesn't sound too bad.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: How about that? How about that?
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: You know what else? You know who does sound bad now?
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Florida sucks. Lenora Sellers back. And that will do it
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: for today's show.
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: There you go, guys.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: How about that?
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: The cocks.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Stu, Bear, thanks for having me again, guys. Always a
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: pleasure to get to hang out here with you all, too.
• 46:51
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• 46:55
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• 46:58
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• 47:01
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