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RFK Jr The Fall And Rise From Award Winning Journalist Isabel Vincent · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 1: how are you doing today?
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  Speaker 2: Good? How are you?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely fantastic and very excited to share a conversation with
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  Speaker 1: you because I think now and I know in my
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  Speaker 1: heart now with RFK Junior The Fallen Rise, I can
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  Speaker 1: stop going to chat GPT and finding out about this
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  Speaker 1: guy that I think I know and the rest of
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  Speaker 1: us think the same thing. But you give us a
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  Speaker 1: better looking path. Oh I hope.
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean that was you know, that was That
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  Speaker 2: was my main point in right this book is you know,
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  Speaker 2: he's been caricatured so much that I thought, well, who
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  Speaker 2: is who is he really? And so I was lucky
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  Speaker 2: enough in twenty thirteen to be handed some of his
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  Speaker 2: diaries and so we you know, the book is I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the book is based on a lot of interviews I did,
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  Speaker 2: but it's also based on a lot of his musings
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  Speaker 2: in these diaries. And you know, the one thing that
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  Speaker 2: sort of stands out is how much he was affected
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  Speaker 2: by the death of his father. By the assassination of
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  Speaker 2: his father in nineteen sixty eight, he was fourteen years old,
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  Speaker 2: he had a huge downward spirals, started doing drugs, was
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  Speaker 2: Kitcho boarding schools, you know. So he had a sort
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  Speaker 2: of surrogate father in lem Billings, who was a Kennedy
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  Speaker 2: family friend, and he spent most of his time with him,
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  Speaker 2: telling him that he had to fulfill the Kennedy legacy.
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  Speaker 2: He was the one who's going to be president. It
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  Speaker 2: was actually interesting too because I was in the I
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  Speaker 2: was looking at something else in the Andy Warhol's diaries,
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  Speaker 2: the artist and he goes to a Kennedy family event
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty at which Ted Kennedy the Senator makes
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  Speaker 2: a speech and Bobby Junior makes a speech, and Andy
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  Speaker 2: Warhol's comment is that Bobby Junior was so much more
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  Speaker 2: charismatic and his speech was so much better than his uncle's.
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  Speaker 2: Teddy Kennedy and that he was the one. He was
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  Speaker 2: the one who was going to become president one day.
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  Speaker 2: So it was very interesting to read all of this
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  Speaker 2: and to read all the pressure that he grew up with,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in having to fulfill.
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  Speaker 1: That come on, every family is going to go through
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  Speaker 1: something like this, and so this guy's got a bad
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  Speaker 1: rap for the rest of his life. When we are
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  Speaker 1: physically seeing changes in this country, like it or not,
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  Speaker 1: we're seeing change, and it's like, God, isn't that why
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  Speaker 1: we put people in place?
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  Speaker 2: Right? And he's very you know, he's very aggressive. He
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  Speaker 2: doesn't care what people think, right, And that's what people
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  Speaker 2: told me. That's what people told me who'd known him
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  Speaker 2: for years. I mean, one of his friends said, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he really believes in what he's doing, and he believes
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  Speaker 2: that what he's doing is right. And so that was
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  Speaker 2: you know, that's a very powerful force. And it's a
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  Speaker 2: force that's like allowed him to break with you know,
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  Speaker 2: the families, Legacy Party, the Democrats, to do what he
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  Speaker 2: wants to do. And he's broken with his family. But actually,
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  Speaker 2: don't think that his family's completely abandoned him. And they've said,
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  Speaker 2: you know, because they're you know, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: strength in you know, his brothers and sisters and their
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  Speaker 2: relationship with him, even though you know they've written these
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  Speaker 2: letters and they've denounced him in public, but it's really
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  Speaker 2: you know, they're doing it for political reasons. But I
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  Speaker 2: still think they're they're they're a close family. So I
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  Speaker 2: think it's important to understand who he is because he
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  Speaker 2: I feel he's you know, one of the reasons that
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump uh won this historic presidency. It's you know,
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  Speaker 2: Bobby was polling like twelve percent in some of the
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  Speaker 2: battleground states. He had created this revolution in make America
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  Speaker 2: healthy again. I mean, we need to understand him to
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  Speaker 2: understand why Trump won. And you know, and people who
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  Speaker 2: are against him, and I know there are a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people who you know, think he's crazy and and stubborn,
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  Speaker 2: and he is stubborn. He's like his dad, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And they always they always try, they always trot that out,
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  Speaker 2: you know that there's no you know, and I know
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  Speaker 2: Caroline Kennedy, his cousin, trotted it out during the there
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  Speaker 2: in the Senate hearings last year and said, you know
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  Speaker 2: that that he could never be compared to his father,
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  Speaker 2: that he was nothing like his father, and I take
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  Speaker 2: the opposite I take the opposite root on that, I
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  Speaker 2: think he was exactly like his father. I think his
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  Speaker 2: father had a lot of Republicans in the you know,
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  Speaker 2: when he was deputy, when he was attorney general, he
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  Speaker 2: surrounded himself with a lot of Republicans. He didn't care
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  Speaker 2: about the party. At one point, Bobby Junior says, my
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  Speaker 2: father was a Catholic, a Roman Catholic, you know, who
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  Speaker 2: didn't really care about a party as long as things
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  Speaker 2: got done. So I think he's the same.
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  Speaker 1: See, and that's the very place that I think that
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  Speaker 1: he would score some major league brownie points right now.
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  Speaker 1: Call me wrong here, I'm okay with that. But he
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  Speaker 1: needs to step forward and talk about what's going on
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  Speaker 1: inside the world of Catholic right now, because somebody needs
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  Speaker 1: to have a voice. And I got to be honest
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  Speaker 1: with you, He's the first one I thought of when
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  Speaker 1: I heard about the news he pants over the past
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  Speaker 1: couple of days here, I went, okay, I got to
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  Speaker 1: find out what RFK Junior is going to say about this.
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  Speaker 1: He hasn't said anything.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he's got a he's got a podcast now, but
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  Speaker 2: I guess it's it's relegated to only stuff about health.
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  Speaker 2: But maybe maybe nobody's asked him, you know him here.
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  Speaker 1: Then let's get you and I let's ask him. Get
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  Speaker 1: him on here right now, you and me, all right,
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  Speaker 1: let's do it.
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  Speaker 2: But he's a very he is a very devout Catholic,
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  Speaker 2: he is, and you can really tell from his you know,
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  Speaker 2: his writings. He's always talking about how he's failed, how
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  Speaker 2: he's failed God, how he's failed his father. He beats
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  Speaker 2: himself up a lot in in his journals. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: for me, it was, it was, it was really interesting.
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  Speaker 2: And again my goal was to tell a more was
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  Speaker 2: to bring out a more complete picture of who this
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  Speaker 2: man is.
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: Incidentally, you know, I think he's going to run for president,
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  Speaker 2: even though he says in twenty twenty eight, even though
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  Speaker 2: he says, no, I'm not going to do it at all.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want it. But it's his whole life. He's
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  Speaker 2: been put up to this and he's been thinking about it.
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  Speaker 2: So my bad is that he will.
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  Speaker 1: They got to get the book because eight Minutes with
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  Speaker 1: You is just barely scratching the surface. And my god,
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  Speaker 1: I hope that we are blessed to come back together
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  Speaker 1: again and continue talking because I've always loved your journalism
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  Speaker 1: and the way that you share stories in an authentic manner.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, thank you so much. Thank you. It's a
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  Speaker 2: real honor.
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  Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, thank you too,