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Who Can Become a Sadhu? · Inspiration and Transformation

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Welcome to inspiration and transformation from the banks of the Gunga with Sadvi Bagwati Saraswati
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and American Sanyasi living at the parmarth Nikitan Ashram in Rishikesh, India. Sadvi
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is President of the Divine Shakti Foundation, a charitable organization bringing education, vocational
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training, upliftment and empowerment programs to women and children. Sadvi is also Secretary
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General of the Global Interfaith Wash Alliance and director of the world famous International Yoga
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Festival. Joined the musings of an American Sanyasi as Sadvi shares the wisdom and
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teachings of her Guru, His Holiness Pujiaswami Chinnant Saraswatiji. Welcome everyone to inspiration
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and transformation from the holy banks of the Sacred Gunga River in the land of
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Rishikesh, India. Stages of life right Dharma, right path and so we've
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talked on a couple of different occasions about the four traditional stages that are given
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to us in the Indian spiritual tradition that our life tends to go through sequentially
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for most people. First stage being what we call brahmachadiya ashram your student years,
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your dharma is study. Then Getajstashram your householder years, where your dharma
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really is to be a husband, a wife, a mother, a father,
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and to do your do your duties, whether it's taking care of the
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home, the kids, bringing home the bread, whatever, it may be,
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taking care of your aging parents, but your dharma is within the household
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at that time. And then we've got the two stages of moving away from
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that von prast a sort of slow retreat. The kids are grown, married,
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taking care of themselves on their own, don't need me now, shifting
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into a spiritual focus, and then ultimately into the sinias phase of life,
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which even if you're not a monastic renunciant, as in someone like those of
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us in Saffron robes who have taken these vows earlier in life, it said
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that in the latter stages of life, that's where everyone should be before they
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actually die, in order to prepare yourself for the next age of your soul's
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journey. So she asks, well, what if I'm not quite in one
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or the other? Is there space to not have to choose between shad the
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which means marriage and sad the which is the renunciation. There absolutely is space
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for that, and interestingly, there's space on both sides, meaning they're space
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for it in the not yet married stage and there's space for it in the
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already married stage. There's lots of people I know who are married, some
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have children, some don't. They are fulfilling their duties of the household happily,
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with love, with joy, but ultimately, even within that household,
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they are living in their minds and in their hearts the path of spirituality.
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They may not be a full monastic celibate, but ultimately their mind and their
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heart is really focused on their spiritual paths much more than the entanglements and attachments
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within the family, even though they're acting in the family with love and duty
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and care. But their their attention, their focus, their consciousness, their
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mind, their heart are not stuck and mired in the every minute aspect of
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that, the attachment of that, but rather there they're living a sort of
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mental seniasiti life, even though the body is in a family. And then
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of course you have a situation where you say, well, at this stage
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where I am right now, who knows what tomorrow is going to be like?
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I want to focus on my spiritual path. I don't yet want to
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put myself into a situation in which all of my time, all of my
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energy, all of my focus is going to be accounted for by things of
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the family. And this is especially true in Indian families, where a simple
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marriage isn't just a simple arrangement between two people, but it's actually entering into
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an entire family system and structure with many other people, all of whom have
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very clear ideas about how you should spend your time and what you should be
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paying attention to, and what you should do and what should matter to you.
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And so there's a lot of people who say, you know, I'm
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not saying I'll never marry. I'm not saying I'm going to become a lifelong
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renuncient. But for now, I really want to focus on my spiritual path.
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Maybe I want to focus on my education more. Maybe I want to
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focus on something else in my life that takes me into my heart, into
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my personal dharma, rather than entering a family system drama or a family system
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dharma. And that's also okay. I mean, it's definitely not something you
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want to do once you've taken official vows of renunciation, but you haven't done
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that, You're not over there and a saffron. Sorry. So we all
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are on different different stages, different ways, different orders of things. Even
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I mean, there's a lot of people who spend their early years maybe in
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some sort of monastic training and a deep spiritual training, and then and you
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know, a little bit later on, end up actually getting married and having
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families. I mean, there's lots of stories in the West. A lot
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of the renowned meditation teachers from the Buddhist traditions spent years in Ostrom's in monasteries,
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in monastic traditions in their late teens, in their twenties, even into
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early thirties, and eventually ended up coming back and getting into families. And
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then, of course you have it the other way as well. You have
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people who get married, do all of that starting young, and then decide,
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oh, wait, this isn't what I'm supposed to do for the next
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fifty years of my life, and they do whatever they need to do of
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their duty, and then they're on a path of renunciation. And then of
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course you've got those like I already spoke about, who are sort of into
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at the same time almost and that's all good. Life isn't black or white.
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Life is not meant to be lived in compartments. We're not items for
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sale that we need a label on us. And if you go to a
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store, you need to know, okay, or a grocery store, right,
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are these are these Granny Smith apples? Or are these Gala apples?
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Or are these you know, honey crisp apples? You want to know what
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kind of apples am I buying? You need a label. If you're buying
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toothpaste, you want to know what is this? It's this the all natural
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kind that I want? Or is this, you know, some chemical laden
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synthetic kind. But we're not for sale. We're not items in a rack
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or at some sort of you know, garage sale that people are going to
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come and look over and buy. We don't need labels. Walk your path,
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and as you walk in, stay very open, stay very receptive.
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I mean, you obviously want walk it with honesty and integrity, So you're
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not going to take vows of renunciation and celibacy while you're secretly living a household
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or life. You want, you want to do whatever you do in full
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transparency and integrity. But whatever you do is exactly right for you, and
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it may be this for now, and then it may be something different.
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And as long as you're clear in you that you are fulfilling your own dharma,
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your spiritual dharma, your dharma in the world as you see it,
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that's all that matters. I always, I mean for me, I always,
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I always say, as long as I'm good with God and I'm good
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with my Guru, like, that's all that matters. I don't actually have
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to make sure that every single random person in the society, in the community
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thinks that I've made the right choice. You'll kill yourself like that. Decide
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who it is that you need to be good with. For me, it's
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God and my grew that's it. Decide who you need to be good with,
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and then stay focused on that. People who seem to have an abundance
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of time and energy to tell you how to live your life are clearly those
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who are not actually living theres So you want to be really careful whose advice
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you follow. A really good rule of thumb is only follow the advice of
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those who actually are somewhere you want to go. If you're going to ask
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directions from someone, you want to ask directions from someone who knows the way,
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who's actually ever reached where you're looking to go. Otherwise, their directions
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make no sense. So make sure that you're taking guidance from people who are
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living their lives in ways that when you look at it, you say,
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oh, yeah, I want some of that. But those who tend to
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spend their lives telling others how to live are usually not those who themselves are
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by RAIN and this station. Welcome back to inspiration and transformation. I'm so
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glad to have you all back here with me. There's two parts to that.
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The first part is what I speak about all the time, which is,
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in order to hold this piece when you go, you have to really
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make it your own when you're here. It's really easy to be peaceful when
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you're anywhere other than your day to day grind. So simply not having to
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go to the office, simply not having long to do lists in and of
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itself leads to a state of peace and joy. But that's a very superficial
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level, because the moment you get back it's over. What you want to
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make sure is that the piece you're experiencing here is deeper than just your lack
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of having to show up at the office, your lack of a to do
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list, your lack of people saying I need this, I need this,
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I need that, and the way to do that. When you're here,
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it's exactly what you're doing. You want to be coming to arty, you
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want to be in set Sung, you want to be meditating, you want
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to be spending your time here going deep. There's a lot to do in
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Rishakesh. Now it wasn't always like that. They used to be sort of
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nothing to do here except meditate now and I remember when the very first cyber
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cafe came up. But now there's so much you could do. I mean,
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you could spend your days in Rishakesh really busy going from here to here
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and this and that and seeing this and this adventure and this tourist thing.
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And there's nothing wrong with that. But the dilemma is the piece you get
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tends not to sink in very deeply. Then you really want to make sure
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that you have enough time in which you just stop and you just allow this
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place to actually change you. This is a place where for thousands and thousands
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of years, the saints, the Yogis have come to meditate. It's a
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place where, if you go back to our scriptures from thousands of years ago.
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You go back to the Ramaya. Well, Lord ram Lakshman, they
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came here and did sadden in this area. You go back to the mahabadhit
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the pond. Those walked up into the Himalias from here, meaning that thousands
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of years ago, when these scriptures were written, many thousands of years ago,
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this was already a holy place to which these divine beings were coming.
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Already it was already the path to heaven. So there's there's a power here
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that's much more than the number of yoga studios per square kilometer, and you've
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got to let yourself actually feel it while you're here. So that's the first
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part. Sit on the banks of Gunga, meditate, spend your time in
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spiritual programs. I'm not saying don't enjoy the food, don't enjoy things too,
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no problem, but just make sure that your schedule includes that time to
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really go deep. And then it's not just like, Okay, it's two
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pm, this is my go deep time till my next class at three o'clock.
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Really create space for that to happen. The second piece, though,
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is the after you go back part, and this is where we realize the
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power of choice. As you say, yeah, we go back to traffic
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jams. Okay, well let's let's look at a traffic jam. Okay,
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just take a traffic jam. Now, there's two ways of thinking about it.
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Number one, with the perspective of where I think I'm supposed to be.
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So this traffic jam is not supposed to be happening, because I am
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supposed to be at the office, at the meeting, at my yoga class,
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at the airport, at this dinner, at home, and this traffic
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jam is now an obstacle on my path over which I have zero control.
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And when we have obstacles over which we have zero control, this is the
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stuff. Depression is made of life situations that seem out of our control,
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exactly the opposite of what we want, and there's nothing we can do about.
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It. Is the stuff that leads to misery. But there's a whole
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other perspective, which says, here I am, here, I am that's
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it. Whether I thought I was going to be at home, or I
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thought I was going to be at a dinner, or I thought I was
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going to be at the office, clearly I was incorrect because I am not
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there. And if I was supposed to be there. I would be there,
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but by virtue of the fact that I am here, I understand I
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was incorrect in my assumption that I was supposed to be there, and here
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I am. And that's when you say, well, thank God, because
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there is this podcast I've been dying to listen to. Thank God, I
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get to listen to the next chapter in this book I'm listening to. Oh,
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I can use this time to call that person I haven't connected with in
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such a long time, and I keep meaning to connect, but it's not
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going to be a two minute call. I really want to spend some time.
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This traffic jam's going to take me an hour. Great, Now I
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can make that call. Or you know what, the universe gave me this
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traffic jam because I skipped my jeppa practice this morning. I didn't do the
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chanting that I do every morning, came home late last night, hit the
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snooze button, skipped my jeppa and you know, I've been feeling kind of
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badly about it all day, the spiritual equivalent of moving through the day without
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having brushed my teeth. There's just something off all day long. And now
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the universe has said, just stop. And now I get to sit here
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for the next hour and do my jeppa, how wonderful. And the thing
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about our world is everybody understands traffic. I mean, assume that there is
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a meeting that they are expecting you at. What are they going to do?
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Say, leave your car and walk? I mean really, what is
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anybody going to say to you? Abandon the car, get on a bus,
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fly What do you mean you don't have a flying car? People understand.
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Yeah, it happens sometimes totally out of your control. But it's all
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about our mindset. And so the key to holding that charge is changing your
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mindset. How many situations of the day make you feel like your stock and
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how many options do you have? So, for example, let's say you
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got stuck in traffic day after day and you decided, forget it, I'm
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going to take the subway from now on. At least it runs by a
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reliable time schedule. Now you're on the subway and rush hour and you're jammed
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up against two hundred other people and you can barely breathe. Okay, So
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again, one part of you may be, oh, I hate this,
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this is horrible, and this guy smells and why this? But another alternative
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is wow, I had forgotten that actually we are one. I had forgotten
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that there actually is no place I end, and the rest of the world
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begins. Thanks God for jamming this person right up against me so that I
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would remember that, because actually there's no place I end, and she begins,
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Thanks for the reminder. Thanks for reminding me that actually we're all one,
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and this overcrowded suboaycar is just a physical manifestation of the multi celled organism
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the humanity is. Thanks for the reminder. Thanks for the opportunity to be
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in such close contact with humanity. So it's all about how you think,
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So the mindset shift is key. And also just make sure that you create
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what we call a sunga your community. You know the words set sung sung
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is the association of the community of set this truth. So we typically define
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it as in the presence of truth, but it can also be used to
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talk about right association. Are you associating with truth? And so take care
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of your set sung when you go back. Who is your sunga? Who's
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your association meaning who do you hang out with? Who's your community? And
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is it a community of truth or is it a community focused on you know,
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getting as drunk as you possibly can choose your sunga very wisely, because
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that's going to be what your mind is focused on. If I'm surrounded by
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ten people and all they're talking about is the clothes they're buying, how much
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they cost, what's in style, how things look, what accentuates different parts
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of the body, and one person is saying, god, you know,
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I my waist isn't thin enough, and another person saying my hips are too
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big, and another person saying my bust is too small, and someone saying
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mine is too big. No matter, no matter how strong my spiritual grounding,
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maybe stick me with those people for long enough, and slowly, slowly,
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slowly, your own mind starts going, huh, yeah, how am
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I too it over here? It's just it's the energetic power of association,
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and so be really careful now. You can't choose your next door cubicle,
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or your next door office, or your next door neighbor. These are things
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most the out of your control. But you can choose who you go for
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lunch with. You can choose who you spend your coffee breaks with. You
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can choose who you hang out with after work, who you hang out with
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over the weekends. And you can certainly choose the level of socializing you do
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with the person in the next cubicle or the next office or the house next
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to you, based on how similar their priorities are to yours. Make a
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really concerted, deliberate effort to surround yourself as much as you can with those
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who are in alignment with what you want, and you may find new things.
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You may say, well, God, you know in my other life,
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I don't have that, Well, that's really exciting. Find a new
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songa find people who sing kuritan once a week or twice a week. Find
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people who are getting together to meditate, Find people who are getting together to
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read passages from different scriptures and discuss them. And if people aren't, create
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a group. I was just in Singapore a few weeks ago for a big
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conference, and while I was there, I had dinner at the home of
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the daughter of some very close devotees from many, many years. And their
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daughter now lives in Singapore, and she's young and newly married with young kids,
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and she's formed a group with a bunch of her other young friends who
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are mothers. They're all of different religions and they get together. I think
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it's one a week, and they share passages prayers from each of their different
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religions, and they discuss what that means and what that means for their lives.
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And these are young, hip, twenty something year old women creating a
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sana in the midst of their other, you know, sophisticated metropolitan society.
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So it may not exist already created. Invite people over to sing here at
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them, Invite people over to watch that song and then talk about it.
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Invite people over to meditate. We've got that power to create it, because
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the truth is, if you've noticed that it doesn't exist, you're wanting it.
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I guarantee you're not the only one. I guarantee people aren't going to
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say, what are you crazy something spiritual? Oh, come on, let's
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just go get drunk. There will be people who will say, oh,
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thank God, thank God, I've been wanting something like this so much.
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And you may start with three, four people. It doesn't have to be
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thirty people, as long as you've got a couple people, even two.
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I would say one, but sometimes one is busy, Say we're not at
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least two people in case one is busy, who you can spend time with,
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and then slowly slowly you'll attract others. So see what's already there,
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see what you can do, and then create it. I'm sure that even
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in our community here, the physical community here, the online community here,
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that there are going to be people from where you are. Where are you
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from from France? Okay, So that's not the end of the world.
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I would about. We've got a lot of people from France who come to
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Satsang and who watch it online and who are really interested in connecting in a
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French community. So you'll find it and create it. Yeah, and until
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then, just remember you've got your community here. Also, even if we're
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not physically together, we're together. But create something where you live. It'll
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This is Sadvi Bagavati Saraswati with inspiration and transformation. Why are humans attracted by
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maya means illusion and not by devotion? Well, I wouldn't say that,
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Yeah, We're definitely attracted by maya, for sure, but we're also attracted
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by devotion Maya. Maya is that that energy of illusion that wraps itself like
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a veil around us and convinces us that we are this body, and therefore
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that all that matters is the body should enjoy pleasures, that we are our
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role in society, that we are our bank accounts, that we are our
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possessions. Therefore, we should spend all of our time and energy accumulating more
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and more money so we can have more and more possessions, and more and
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more power, and higher and higher levels of social status. Maya pulls us
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outward, away from our hearts, away from our souls, away from truth,
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into all that glitters, essentially, and therefore maya leads to to suffering,
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because when I think that I am this body, and I think that
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I am its role, and I think that I am its possessions and its
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power and its relationships, and well, then there's never enough. Then I
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need more power, I need more money. Why does this guy have more
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than I do? Why does she have more than I do? Why this?
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Why that it's not fair? Then there's greed, there's lust, there's
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competition, there's feelings of inadequacy. So maya leads to suffering, and it's
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definitely a fact of life. It's there, it's sticky, it's the ever
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present lure away from our spiritual practice. But the power of devotion is also
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very strong. And I wouldn't say we're attracted by maya but not devotion.
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We are attracted by devotion. We love devotion, We love to love.
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It's why, you know, with no advertising, many hundreds to many thousands
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of people show up at Gunga Art the every night. It's why people flood
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temples, It's why people all over the world, or sitting in front of
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some beautiful image of the divine, or sitting not in front of an image,
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because to them the divine is formless. But nonetheless their eyes are closed
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and they're in prayer and love. So there is what we call a shakti
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of bukti, which is that power of devotion, and it absolutely pulls us.
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It's why, for example, whether you understand Sanskrit or Hindi or not,
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the art they feel so good. It's why, whether you are a
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Hindu or not, people love going to cure them. They love going to
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devotional chanting. Whether you actually really worship Krishna or Ram or Hanuman or Doorga,
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it doesn't matter. I remember Pujaswa me Jani several years ago. We're
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in San Paolo, Brazil, at this huge event with fifteen thousand people in
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a big park. It was a Yoga for Peace event, big park of
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San Paolo. You've got, you know, fifteen thousand Catholics mostly chanting and
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singing in ecstasy with ju tal with Krishna Das. Now, they weren't turning
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people into Hindus. It wasn't that these people now were going home and you
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know, actually worshiping in the Hindu tradition. But there's something about the power
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of devotion, of love for God that feels so beautiful that it's going to
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draw thousands and thousands and thousands of people to come and to chant and to
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sing and to pray and to love and to be together, even if it's
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a completely different religion. That's Buck, the Kishakti or the power of Buck,
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the the power of love. So yes, Maya has a power.
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It is sticky. It blinds us. People talk about the veil of Maya
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and it is it clouds our eyes. But for me. I've noticed it's
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it's a sticky veil. Because when I think of a veil, I think
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of something that could very easily be blown away by the wind, Like just
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a little bit of breeze comes and the veil would be gone. Whereas maya
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sticks Maya you have to actually quite consciously and deliberately work to free yourself from
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but you can't. Every moment you spend in meditation is a moment you're free
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of maya. Every moment that you spend connected to your true self is a
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moment you've broken free of maya. Every moment you spend in soul to soul
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connection with another being is a moment you've broken free of Maya. So we
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break through a lot. When we become mindless and unconscious, Maya gets sticky
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again. And this is why actually devotion is such a beautiful, beautiful antidote
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to it, because when you're in love, maya doesn't stick. It's like
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that that love of devotion is somehow greasy, you know, it's like covering
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yourself with ghee or something that actually keeps the veil of maya from sticking on
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you. And it doesn't matter what your religion is It doesn't matter how you
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conceive of the divine, but just to find love in your heart, whether
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you say for God, whether you say for creation, whether you say for
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certain manifestations of creation. You're a grandmother, you're a loved one, your
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tree, a sunset, the stars in the sky, gunga. But just
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that experience of real love that transcends what you want from someone, that transcends
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the sensory pleasure or ego gratification that you might get from them. That's actually
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a love of that, that divine essence in them. That's devotion, and
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so we're definitely attracted to that. It's it's a magnet. We just have
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to let ourselves go there rather than get wrapped up in Maya's sticky rail.
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So this idea that your life flashes before your eyes right when you die.
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Interestingly, This is an idea that transcends religions. I've heard people from
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every walk of life, every religion, every culture, every country. Usually,
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our ideas about death tend to be very culturally and religiously related. This
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is what I've heard everywhere. I think that the reason it would be true,
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if it is true at least according to our Vedic understanding of life and
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death, is that my next birth is going to be based upon the fruits
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of the karma. Means the results of the actions of what I have done
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in this birth and in my past births. Some of my actions their results
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happen immediately. As I always say, it's like a bar fight. Right
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I hit you, you hit me right back. We go home with black
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eyes. But our karmic relationship is over. We don't have to carry it
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into our next birth, but a lot of the action that we do actually
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bear fruit later in this life or even in next life. And so to
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give us an awareness of why we're going where we're going, I could imagine
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it would be helpful to see and to suddenly understand. Ah okay. I
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also think that it might make our life sort of understandable as the thread that
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it is because each life is just a thread in a tapestry of creation.
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I mean, each of our threads are interwoven. We've got these these karmic
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journeys and karmic threads where each of us is interwoven with each other, interwoven
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with our circumstances and situations, and some of it makes no sense at all
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why we're living it. I get questions all the time why people who are
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really beautiful and honest and caring and generous have these bad things happened to them?
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And these people who are crooks, liars and steelers and cheats seem to
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succeed these things that make no sense while we're living them. I think that
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suddenly, if as we died, we were able to see not just our
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actions but the whole, the way that our thread wove into the tapestry of
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creation, that that would be really beautiful. And again, I can't tell
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you that this actually happens or not, but should it happen, I think
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that would be really beautifully kind of the universe to offer us that that view
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from a distance of oh, yeah, this is how this thread of your
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life that is just coming to an end wove so beautifully into the tapestry of
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all of creation, and here's where that thread's going to pick up in the
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next life as a new thread through the same tapestry of creation. So that,
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for me would be why we would see it. But what's even more
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important than that is can you see it while you're living it? I mean,
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don't don't wait for the flash of an eye. Oh this is what
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my life was about, because unfortunately at that moment, there isn't anything else
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you can do about it, neither what it was like nor where you're going.
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It's just information for information sake. The real question is can you see
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it while you're living it? Can we open our eyes while we're living to
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actually see the way that our thread is weaving into the tapestry, to actually
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see the actions we are performing as we perform them, so that we don't
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find ourselves victims of our own actions, victims of the fruits of our own
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karma, but that we become very conscious co creators of our life, of
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our world. So don't worry about what you're going to see for a very
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very brief moment, possibly when you die. Focus on what you can see
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while you are alive. Open your eyes, open your third eye, meditate
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on the third eye. Open that third eye so you really can see the
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truth. And then what you see at the end of your life may or
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may not be there, but that's all right because you will have already seen.
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You'll know where you're going. And as far as the Guru, yeah,
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the Guru comes, but it's it's not a one waste means. The
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Guru is there, but we have to be open. You know. I
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think about it like water flowing out of a top. But if we are
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a metaphoric bucket and our bucket is upside down, we're not going to benefit
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from the beautiful water flowing out of the top. But a lot of us
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are in that state where we are this upside down bucket and we're we're praying,
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and we're wondering, where's Grace, where's the Guru? And it's there.
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Grace is there. The Guru is there in your life, maybe already,
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but our our bucket is upside down. And so this is why we
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do sod nuts, why we introspect, that's why we work on being conscious
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and mind so that we can turn that bucket right side up and actually accept
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an absorb, and see and therefore benefit from that flow of wisdom and grace,
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that presence of the gurdu. And when you say how do we know,
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you'll know in your heart. The mind likes to shop. That's what
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we're trained to do. So the mind is used to sort of sizing people
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up, and sadly we do it even with gurus. And you get a
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lot of people these days sort of goo shopping. Well, this one can
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do this, and this one can do this, and this one is.
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You're not going to find a guru or gu shopping. All that's going to
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do is keep you out of your heart, so you don't actually feel the
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presence of the guru. Instead, get out of the head, get into
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the heart and feel is there a light that I feel in me? And
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this is an important distinction. The light that the Guru shines isn't a light
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on the guru himself or herself. It's not look at me, aren't I
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so great? You should be my disciple? The Guru is the one who
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shines the light on us. And so it's not about getting caught up in
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charisma or a show of light. It's about actually the presence of the one
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in whose presence you experience the light of you that suddenly, for the first
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time, you're able to see and feel you, the light of you,
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and that's the group. This brings to a close, this hour of inspiration
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and transformation. Thank you so much for joining me. I'm so glad to
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be together with you all each week, and I look forward to being together
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again next Thursday, same time on Home Time's radio. But they would be
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don't because I don't be Okay, don't be when ok what was been?
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But I couldn't be out alre