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Who Broke the Lambo? · That Car Show

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  If you ever don't want attention, don't break down in
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  Lamborghini at Diablo at rush hour.
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  This week on that car show, Ryan dodges a bullet by almost
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  driving a Diablo, but luckily it broke down before he was able to
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  break it down. We're joined by our good friend
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  Michael. You share some insights into
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  somehow and sometimes you shouldn't meet the ties of your
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  dreams. And there was one specific car
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  that that really kind of head that home.
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  I talk about driving a Hellcat in 106° Redford Racing School.
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  We talk a little bit about LA car culture, what's changing,
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  and maybe we're just getting too old for it.
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  And Ryan gets, Yep, Ryan gets behind the wheel of his dream
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  McLaren. Michael shares some insights
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  into the new exhibit at the Peterson.
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  Totally awesome 80s and 90s. It gives us some real insights
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  around the typhoon cars that maybe we didn't even realize
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  existed. That's it.
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  And more this week on that Castro, Hey, welcome to this
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  week's that car show and joined by Ryan, but not Lindsay this
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  week. Ryan has been to a goodwill
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  clearly near my house because he said he's wearing a vise back
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  display. So that doesn't that didn't look
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  good on me. I think it doesn't.
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  Look, good on me either. You're only seeing the top half
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  here. Which you look, You look great,
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  right? You look.
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  Great, Lindsay, is that what you did?
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  Yeah, it's one of those 80s like workout videos for those
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  listening to us, not watching us.
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  Ryan is wearing a very fetching Maya's Mount sweater in Blue
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  Lee. I want to say most people aren't
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  watching this and you really should be watching this.
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  You can find us on Spotify and YouTube most of the time so.
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  Yeah. So if you want to see what he's
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  actually wearing, yeah, get on Spotify or YouTube.
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  Lindsay is on yet another adventure this week, so we won't
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  say where, but she'll talk about it the next time she's online
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  with us. But we are joined by our good
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  friend Michael. So Michael, welcome to the show.
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  Thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me, gentlemen.
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  It's a pleasure to be here. I'll be a poor substitute for
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  Lindsay, but I'll do my best. No, I think you're a great
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  substitute for Lindsay. Absolutely.
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  Kind of our fifth Beetle, our 4th that car show host, right.
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  So it's good to. Have you trying to be?
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  I'm still auditioning it sounds like.
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  I think we are too. We all are.
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  We all are. That's the secret.
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  And Michael, you're in LA, is that right?
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  I am, I am beautiful sunny weather never changes LA.
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  Nice. And Ryan, you're at home.
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  I am. I'm in the garage and it's a
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  beautiful day here in Denver, so.
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  And I am in Phoenix, it is 106° and we'll talk about it in a
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  minute, but I've been driving race cars at 106°.
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  My my British skin can't cope. You weren't in a Super Mario
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  outfit this time, were you? No, that's reserved for Corvette
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  meetings only. Secret Joke for one of our
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  previous podcasts. So I'm keen to understand what
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  you folks have been up to. Michael, I know you sent us some
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  notes. You've been messing around with
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  some pretty fine equipment, so maybe they'll start with you.
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  Sure. In my former life, I I recently
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  left a 25 year career in entertainment, most recently the
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  last 18 years as an as an agent. And the only reason I say that
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  is because a former client reached out to me, a former
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  director client that I used to work with before I switched to
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  my current profession in the automotive space.
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  And his father-in-law unfortunately passed away.
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  And his father-in-law is a bit of an eccentric guy, but he had
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  like, I think he had 27 cars in two different buildings and, and
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  some industrial area here in town.
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  And, you know, he wanted what I do now is, is, is help, you
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  know, consult and, and help people either acquire cars, sell
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  cars, but more importantly, try and value them and do a lot of
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  PP is because, you know, officially with the auctions and
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  everything that's going on around town and this day and
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  age, you kind of, you know, want to put hands on something in
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  most instances, especially from a, you know, a buyer that's out
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  of state or, or you know what not.
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  Anyway, Long story short, he had these 27 cars across all genres,
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  all things, but but some of the the notable things for me, they
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  had a it was like a 10,000 mile Grand National GNX and right,
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  you'll like this little factory GNX, right, right.
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  So Buick Grand National GNX, which was they, I, I forget how
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  many few, they made a couple 100, but it was a, a
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  collaboration between McLaren, which they licensed the McLaren
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  name, a company called ASC, American Sports Sport, American
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  Specialty company. They were the company that did a
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  lot of small production runs in the 80s and 90s for major
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  manufacturers. As a matter of fact, Ryan, This
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  is why I bring back to you and your port level Porsches.
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  They used to build the Cabriolet 944 for Porsche because Porsche
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  didn't have the capacity to do it themselves.
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  And so they did a lot of American muscle cars.
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  They did a lot of Mustang stuff, but they for one year only did
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  an 87. And, and they licensed the
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  McLaren, you know, the British McLaren name and it was ASC
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  McLaren. And they did Mustangs.
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  They did this GNX, which is just a Buick Regal with, with a, you
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  know, hopped up engine. But these are now $250,000 cars.
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  Like no one gave a shit about it for years.
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  And now all of a sudden they're big money cars.
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  So I got a chance to drive that, which drives like a 80s GM car,
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  as you'd imagine, but I got to ride in AII.
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  Don't know much about Zondas, Pagani Zondas, but this is I
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  think a 7.3. So I think it was like the, this
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  is like an early 2000s Zonda and it's as beautiful as you think
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  it is. And it rides and drives is worse
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  than you think it would. And then he had a AA53 Corvette
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  that had been totally rest of modern and whatnot and, and, and
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  new chassis and all that. And so that was a that was a fun
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  one. And then he had a 2005 Ford GT,
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  which honestly, that's one that's one to ride in.
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  I didn't get to drive that one, but I got to ride that one.
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  The thing you don't think about is, and everybody talks about is
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  the cut out the roof where the door hits.
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  So it's it's fun to get in and out of, but it's impossible to
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  park because you have to basically swing the the door
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  entirely wide to get out of the car.
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  Because if not, you know, you're kind of you know.
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  So anyway, thanks for letting me talk about that a little bit,
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  Dan. But yeah, these are some amazing
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  cars that the family's trying to figure out what to do with.
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  But at the end of the day, you know, the cars that that you'll
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  never meet your heroes. And I thought that Zonda was
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  going to be something that I would cherish forever as far as
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  just the experience. And honestly, the GT, for me
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  anyway, was the most, you know, cuz those cars are only a couple
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  model years apart. But the quality, I mean, when
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  you look at the Bagon, the Zonda and see the, the, the bolts will
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  have, you know, the inscriptions in them and what not, like every
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  bolt will have it and every bolt is turned to where it's, you
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  know, I like the level craftsmanship in that car is
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  amazing. It's just not as it's not as
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  exciting I think is. Once you're in, it might
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  probably look straight from the outside.
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  Yeah, isn't that funny? I mean, you know, there's GTS.
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  I've never driven once. If you're listening, you've got
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  1. Won't let me drive it.
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  Please do. I I've always liked them.
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  There was a time when those things were clogging up Ford
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  dealer lots, if you can believe it, right?
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  They were practically giving those things away.
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  And I love that they're finally getting their due.
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  And the fact that sounds like you take 1 / a Zonda, I think is
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  is real validation. You still put up with American?
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  Yeah, you. You still put up with American
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  things like the fuel gauge didn't work in this like they
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  like and and like some of the things you you know, the fit and
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  finish isn't what you'd expect, but you know, bring it back to
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  the GNX. People forget, you know, multi
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  Matic makes the Ford GT and made this like that's a small
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  company. I may be wrong about the new GTI
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  know multi Matic makes the most recent GT, but like these are
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  not things bolted together by, you know, GM in a plant
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  somewhere. I mean, even the latest
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  generation NSX that was a small hand team and where I was, where
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  do they build that somewhere down South.
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  But my point is, is like people forget these are hand assembled
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  by a company that's being contracted by a major
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  manufacturer. And this is not the kind of
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  quality level. This is not notwithstanding,
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  obviously, but this is not the kind of quality level you'd
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  expect out of your, you know, your, your Ford F-150.
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  So you kind of put up with some of these quirks and, and, and I
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  think sometimes people forget that.
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  And, and I think to your point, Ryan, that's why a lot of them
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  will initially sat on the dealer showroom so much because it
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  didn't have the same kind of feel as as, you know, a Mercedes
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  or a Porsche at that same price level back, you know, 20 years
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  ago. Yeah.
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  Yeah, Yeah. Can I segue that into something
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  that I experienced a couple days ago when that was a 1991
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  Lamborghini Diablo? And you want to talk about fit
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  and finish as I, as I've likened to a couple other people, the
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  things built like a bass boat, right?
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  Or an RV, right? It's, that's kind of the, the
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  level of, of, of build we're, we're talking about.
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  And then we broke the damn thing about 5 minutes before I was
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  supposed to be given the keys. There's something the drivetrain
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  just popped and it wasn't going to.
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  And that was, and that was all she, all she wrote.
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  You know, I've been writing this this series for Autoblog about
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  the poster cars of of my youth and first car was an F355 and
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  the Diablo would would have been a perfect sort of follow up.
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  But yeah, it didn't last. Well, it did last.
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  It was amazing. I mean, nothing sounds or feels
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  like, you know, a a Diablo, right?
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  I think it's 472 horsepower big V12.
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  This one had a has an Albertoni exhaust.
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  So if you listen to, you know, Matt Farah and the smoking tire,
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  his Countach has this Albertoni exhaust.
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  In fact, Al apparently has a great nephew who who's in the
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  business as well with the same last name I've discovered.
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  But hell of a thing. I mean, it's wrath of God, like
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  when exotics were exotics, right where you weren't quite sure.
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  It's a little scary. Like it's not a, you know, a
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  modern Porsche or even a a 2005, you know, Ford GT, right?
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  It's just it's just amazing, amazing thing.
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  I don't know that I ever want one.
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  Hopefully I will get to actually drive the thing.
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  I think my, my, my, what's the word?
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  I'm looking for my my backup plan will be a career GT, so
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  that that's OK. Oh, wow.
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  But but man, my God. And if you ever don't want
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  attention, don't break down in the Lamborghini at Diablo at
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  rush hour on the side. Of the highway on the on the.
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  We're the Golden Gate, Golden Gate Canyon, if you know where
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  that is, having been a a Denver guy, Michael and it was
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  beautiful while it lasted. And then we we broke down just
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  beyond a turn. Shout out to the Colorado State
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  Patrol. They're very, very involved with
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  the Colorado grand that we do. And one of the troopers, about
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  10 minutes after we broke down, pulled them behind us, turn on
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  the lights and, and and, you know, made us feel a little bit
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  a little bit safer. But man, what a what a thing.
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  It's just a, you know, wish it would have, wish it would have
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  lasted. It sounds like you dodged a
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  bullet A. Long way, you know.
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  Yeah, I think. Had you been driving it?
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  Dan, that's all I could think of.
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  If I would have felt my fault or not, I would have felt
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  absolutely terrible. You know, it's it's we were
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  going to do it on Friday the 13th.
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  So I'm glad we didn't do it on Friday.
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  The was going to feed into the whole like, you know, devil car,
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  you know, that kind of thing, Diablo and I'm so glad we we
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  did. I would I I don't think my bank
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  account could have handled even the a small thing on that car.
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  But man, what a thing you know, cars were an exotic car was just
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  something different back in in the day, right.
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  And then, you know, Michael, the you know, the sort of the
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  evolution, right, you know, the NSX and the Ford GT and sounds
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  like Pagani maybe didn't get the message.
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  Just it's. I mean, I think of that car like
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  that, but the Pagani specifically, I mean, you see
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  the you see the quality of it, how it was, how it was
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  manufactured. Maybe not assembly, yeah,
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  assembly too. But like, like, but just like
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  the the, the thought and the money and the and the resources
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  that went into putting that thing together.
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  But it's like anything else, you know, right.
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  I think we talked about this, but on the from the Colorado
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  Grand last year when I was driving back down to Denver,
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  there was a guy in AG A4 GTD in a camo on I-70 doing, you know,
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  I presume was high altitude testing because they do a lot of
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  that Colorado. Like no one's putting 1,000,000
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  miles on a Zonda, you know, type prototype.
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  Ironically, you know, I was, I was going to make the joke about
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  the, the, the Diablo that you probably could afford to fix it
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  because that's when Chrysler owned them.
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  So it probably wasn't probably want some Chrysler electronics
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  that just something went wrong with so, but yeah, I mean, yeah,
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  it's, it's it's like anything else.
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  You got to put my cars die on boredom.
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  And I think that's what I I kind of saw with the collection.
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  I got a chance to be if you don't drive these things, they
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  brake and then when they brake, they really brake.
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  Although this Diablo I think has something like 68,000 miles on
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  it and Brian my buddy who owns the thing.
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  Thank you Brian for dealing with me and indulging me with all
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  these cars. Apparently he's owner for 12
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  years and not one problem. Then I get in the thing, all
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  hell breaks loose so. Is he definitely going to let
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  you near the Carrera GT then? Oh boy, I, I, you know, I'm
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  going to ease into that one, right?
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  Ease into, into that one. Boy, that's a, that's a
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  beautiful thing though too. There's an F40 in the mix as
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  well, but that's having some work done and so not a not a bad
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  contingency plan, right, so. Now.
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  Now you're that terrifyingly. Name dropping.
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  Yeah, yeah, drop that mic. But you got to drive some more
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  modern stuff as well, didn't you, Ryan?
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  Last week. Yeah.
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  You know, shout out to Rocky Mountain Automotive Press Group
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  here in Denver. So if you live between like say
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  LA and Chicago and you do this thing that we do, this is sort
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  of our professional organization.
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  So they facilitate press cars couple times a year, they put on
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  what they call these, these driving experiences.
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  So they get all the manufacturers together and you
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  get to drive everything back-to-back to back and and
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  that was pretty cool. So obviously a lot of Subarus
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  and all that. I was shocked by my by the new.
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  It's the WRX is at the TS. You guys know about this car?
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  It's the not quite STI and and amazing car drove like the
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  world's best Honda, but not quick and not sort of the WRX
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  experience that I was hoping for that I thought it would be that
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  like, you know, it gives the impression, you know, of if
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  either one of you driven like a newer WRX.
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  I know our buddy John Deisty at the First Dibs podcast has been
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  underwhelmed with his own. WRX Yeah, I drove the TS at the.
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  LA Oh, you did OK. So it's got like an upgrade on
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  the braids, but it's again, it's just not powerful enough they
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  need. To know it's not powerful, great
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  ride seats are great. You know, I, I love the, you
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  know, the way it feels, but I don't know why I, I, I, I take a
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  BRZ or a, you know, 86 or whatever over of the WRX given
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  the choice. I mean, it has such great
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  potential and I, I understand that why people tune them to
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  death because it just you can't hear the exhaust, right?
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  This is the up level 1 right? To your point, it just, I kept
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  waiting for like, you know, the VTech to kick.
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  It's just never kicked in. And then it's got such a, a, a
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  small band. I think red line is 6000 RPM.
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  So you've got 4000 to 6000 to work with for your power right
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  before you've got a shift. Again.
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  It's just that it's an odd thing.
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  I wanted to love it. I came away really liking it,
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  but not for the reasons I thought I would.
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  Strange, strange thing. Bring up a real good point,
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  though, it's what is fast anymore, right?
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  When a Tesla Plaid can, you know, literally make you
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  nauseous. And you know, yeah, you could
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  argue the Porsche idea of, you know, ribbon door poles and
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  lightweight this, you know, and charging three times as much.
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  But what does that feeling bring?
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  And it maybe it comes down to a use case, right?
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  I think we're kind of moving into a place where even a Camry
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  can be fast or, or a lot of things, like you said, everybody
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  loves the 86 and the BRZ because they handle well and their use
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  cases great. I think when the first, you
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  know, couple generations of WR came out, they were everyday
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  cars that you could do fun things with.
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  Now so many things are fast and and even have this sensation of
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  being fast or or powerful or whatever.
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  Then it comes down like, what are you using it for?
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  And I think that's where people, I'm not saying you're wrong and
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  how you feel about it, but then you have to change the dynamic
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  of the question because then it becomes, why am I driving this
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  versus Oh my God, I get like to your point about the Diablo,
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  when you first got in and back when we were young, nothing did
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  what that did or a few things did what that did.
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  And so it was in a tight group. Now a lot of stuff is fast.
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  And so it it kind of changes how we, I think for us, the car
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  lovers and people that want to engage with cars, you know, more
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  than just transportation. We got to figure out like, what
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  are we going to do with it? Rather than it be this thing
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  that's the quickest is zero to 60.
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  Except, you know, all the all the old school metrics.
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  Yeah, yeah, I was driving the Hellcat this week.
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  Oh, so I've been to talking. About a used case car.
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  Yeah, I mean this is a Radford race school, so I've done 2 days
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  of high performance driving. So you know, ignoring the fact
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  that it's 160° here, you are allowed the air conditioning on
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  which I think I would have been a just a puddle had I not had
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  the air conditioning on. But this thing we've put it
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  through hell for two days, Hellcat 2 days of like you know,
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  intense high speed braking. They filled the cars up with gas
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  after lunch. So we went for lunch.
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  They get put them to the shop, give them back to us.
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  I turn mine on the tank is full. The range, I kid you not, the
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  range is 88 miles. That's how much we what does.
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  That equate to like MPGS. Yeah, I don't know.
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  Yeah, maybe, maybe, maybe 4 if you're lucky, I think.
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  Yeah, right, right. Right, right.
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  But these things just take like I've come away with more of an
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  appreciation for that car. I just thought that car was a
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  squirt and go quick car, you know?
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  Yeah. Yeah, it's heavy, over 4000 lbs.
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  But we put it through auto cross, we put it on the track,
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  we put it on an Oval. We did an exercise where you're
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  driving up and there are a set of lights and cones ahead of
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  you. And the instructor will choose
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  your adventure, if you will. So, you know, one day, one time
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  he might go all red and you just have to do an emergency start
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  from like 65 miles an hour. Then you might have to change
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  lanes because one lane has got a hazard and you know, so two days
• 18:59
  well worth it. It was all, it wasn't, you know,
• 19:01
  racecraft. It was all high performance
• 19:03
  driving to kind of get you more familiar with the cars, what
• 19:06
  they can do. I guess the number one take away
• 19:08
  from me was the use of ABS and steering at the same time.
• 19:13
  So you do an exercise, you get up to 65 miles an hour, you're
• 19:16
  in a lane and you have to get out of that lane to a side lane
• 19:19
  from 65 with your brakes on Max. So your brakes are at the 10.
• 19:25
  And we all achieved it, you know, a couple of rounds where
• 19:28
  we hit cones and stuff. But those cars are capable.
• 19:32
  Yeah, I got to drive the electric version of that at this
• 19:36
  this driving event. I guess it was the Scat pack.
• 19:40
  So I think the thing was like 600 and some horsepower.
• 19:44
  It was cool. It was neat.
• 19:46
  Big car, but that was kind of tight on the inside.
• 19:49
  Made these synthetic noises, which I didn't need.
• 19:52
  But it the whole time I kept thinking, you know, I wanted
• 19:58
  that that car you drove, right? I wanted the I wanted the gas
• 20:00
  car, right? I mean, it's just like that
• 20:02
  would have been a better experience, right?
• 20:06
  That said hell of a thing, but it's not the same.
• 20:09
  It's not the same. And I've never driven a Hellcat.
• 20:11
  I wanted that. Wow.
• 20:13
  I and it sounds like you had that, right.
• 20:15
  I I wanted that. Yeah.
• 20:17
  I don't know. Yeah.
• 20:18
  That experience, right? That experience, right?
• 20:21
  Yeah, well, if you get the chance, get on to Radford.
• 20:24
  It sounds awesome. Yeah, it's a, it's a great two
• 20:27
  days. We were, it was four of us.
• 20:29
  We had two instructors between four of us.
• 20:31
  It's good fun. Did they give you a go in the
• 20:36
  demon too? Or is this just about the the
• 20:38
  Hellcat and? I think they have a separate, of
• 20:41
  course, because they have a drag strip, so they have a separate
• 20:45
  cause for for drag racing with the Demon.
• 20:49
  But the Hellcats had I think over 600 horsepower, maybe 6 to
• 20:52
  50, and you can't use 650 horsepower.
• 20:55
  It's like, you know, especially when you turn attraction to
• 20:58
  child off car. I I was the only one that nearly
• 21:01
  veered off into the actual, oh really the actual Rd. up to the
• 21:04
  school. So the less talked about that,
• 21:07
  the better. That just meant you were trying
• 21:10
  a little. Harder.
• 21:10
  Exactly. Exactly.
• 21:12
  I heard you got to hang out with our our buddy Jorge from Tormac.
• 21:16
  I did. Tormac who who lives in the
• 21:18
  Phoenix area? I saw you guys parked next to a
• 21:21
  Really yourselves parked next to a really beautiful like Miami
• 21:25
  blue 9/11 of some variety. That was the other, so I'll just
• 21:29
  worry Justin Wilson, who is. Justin Yeah.
• 21:33
  He was with us as well. So it was Justin and and Lincoln
• 21:36
  from the Peterson. So Justin's just picked up.
• 21:40
  He got an offer he couldn't refuse on his GT3 Rs tribute.
• 21:44
  So these are I think it's I think there's less than less
• 21:48
  than 150 of these cars that he bought new.
• 21:52
  So he's always one of the Miami Blue Turbo S.
• 21:55
  So he's just picked that up and he's going to send it off for
• 21:57
  settling and suspension. But Jorge joined us as well.
• 22:01
  So it was great because I could introduce Jorge to Justin, who
• 22:03
  are both like almost neighbors. Oh, no kidding.
• 22:07
  Yeah, so Hawaii's in good form. He's just 150 episodes of his
• 22:12
  podcast. Yeah, Congrats to him.
• 22:14
  That's that ain't nothing. Let me tell you, that's a lot of
• 22:18
  shows. That's a lot of and commitment.
• 22:21
  Yeah, yeah. We need to get him on.
• 22:23
  We need to get him. On this stuff, yes, we.
• 22:25
  Do if you listen. We do yes, we do.
• 22:28
  Yes we do. I wanted to mention real quick
• 22:31
  the highlight of this experience.
• 22:33
  You talk about super cars and how how far super cars have
• 22:36
  come, exotic cars. I got to drive my first Artura,
• 22:38
  my first McLaren Artura and I've never lusted after a McLaren
• 22:43
  right. I've just never it's never
• 22:45
  really been quite what I've thought I wanted right, and I
• 22:49
  know the Artur is the quote UN quote cheap McLaren, but I think
• 22:53
  it might be the one I'd want. It is, I think 670 horsepower.
• 22:57
  It's this mild hybrid. It's it's it's it's full carbon
• 23:01
  fiber, right. So I mean it's rigid as all get
• 23:03
  out it great gearbox. You know, obviously paddles it
• 23:09
  was, you know, it's a, it's a target or it's a, you know,
• 23:11
  whatever you want to call it. So driving that thing with the
• 23:14
  tap down, just zipping through the gears.
• 23:16
  I mean, I kept likening it to if you've ever driven a Lotus
• 23:20
  Solis, right? Those are just things of beauty,
• 23:24
  but with like 3 1/2 times the horsepower, right, a little bit
• 23:27
  bigger and obviously better appointed and all that.
• 23:29
  I fell in love with with with with this thing, the Sartura and
• 23:33
  I I mean, it was like a, I don't know, it had like GT4 vibes, but
• 23:37
  it was but even more taken out of it, right.
• 23:39
  And obviously, you know, quite a bit more power.
• 23:41
  It was just fantastic. I don't know if either one of
• 23:43
  you have driven this, but get, you know, get the chance.
• 23:46
  It is. It's the cat's meow, man.
• 23:49
  It is really, really good. And of course, everyone says,
• 23:51
  oh, you got to drive the 7:50 or I don't know, I think the Artura
• 23:54
  is maybe what I would buy and certainly the closest thing to
• 23:57
  my budget, even if it is still way out of it.
• 23:59
  But any experience with the Artura either of you?
• 24:04
  No, 650 and a 575, but, you know, but you're probably
• 24:11
  driving it up in the mountains, right?
• 24:12
  You, you, you have this again, the use case to take that thing
• 24:15
  and yeah, yeah, really let it run out.
• 24:17
  You know, you see quite a few Mclarens in everyday traffic
• 24:20
  around LA, which kind of desensitizes you a little bit.
• 24:23
  But at the same time, I think to your point, Ryan, that's
• 24:25
  probably one of those cars that you probably could daily, you
• 24:28
  know, and, and it wouldn't be a terrible thing to get in and out
• 24:31
  of and do some small errands and with whatnot.
• 24:34
  So, you know, to your point, it probably is a great use case to
• 24:37
  have that that car for, you know, your second car or even
• 24:40
  your daily, you know, in the summer.
• 24:42
  So I will put it on the list. So thank you.
• 24:44
  Yeah, yeah. It is how does it work find.
• 24:46
  Yourself a purple one if you can.
• 24:48
  How does it work? Because you?
• 24:49
  Well, no. As in SO, you were there with a
• 24:52
  number of other peer journalists.
• 24:53
  Right. Yeah.
• 24:55
  There is a line up of cars which include everything from Subarus
• 24:59
  to electric chargers, but there's this kind of stand out
• 25:02
  McLaren. Yeah, that was the best car.
• 25:05
  But how do you get the keys for it?
• 25:06
  Like is there a fight? Like is it like you just have to
• 25:09
  have most? Of your names, there were a
• 25:11
  couple of Youtubers that seemed to disappear from lunch a little
• 25:14
  early who ended up with that car first.
• 25:16
  Interesting. But yeah, yeah, you just, you
• 25:20
  know, everyone got a chance. There aren't so many people,
• 25:22
  right? You know, there are, you know,
• 25:24
  probably fewer, fewer than 20 of us, and they're probably just as
• 25:27
  many manufacturer reps and all that.
• 25:28
  So I think just about everyone who wanted to drive the thing
• 25:30
  got a chance. I was with our friend Jason
• 25:34
  Meshnick, also from Autoblog and fuel fed here in Boulder.
• 25:38
  And so we, we were able to extend our time in these
• 25:41
  vehicles by, you know, there were two of us.
• 25:44
  And so one of us would drive, then we'd stop somewhere and,
• 25:46
  and swap. And so we got to spend a little
• 25:48
  more time, spend time as a passenger had a little more time
• 25:51
  to photograph things. But I think just about everyone
• 25:53
  that wanted to to drive the thing in the end had a chance,
• 25:56
  right? So, so, yeah, it's, it's a, it's
• 25:58
  a group of nice people, right? Shout out to Sarah, who, who's
• 26:01
  running the organization these days.
• 26:03
  She's doing a great job. And, and Matt Pilgrim, who ran
• 26:05
  it up until recently, also did a fantastic job because it is, you
• 26:08
  know, it is well, well managed and well planned, right.
• 26:12
  And and so no one's no one goes home crying.
• 26:16
  I got to mention real quick, there was a the most
• 26:18
  entertaining car at that whole thing was the new, it's the Jeep
• 26:22
  Wagoneer S they call it the Bev. It's, it's the, it's an, it's a,
• 26:27
  it's an electric car. I think it's got 600 horsepower.
• 26:31
  And it was the only car of the day where everyone who got in it
• 26:34
  laid down elevens like right away.
• 26:36
  I don't know what's going on in that thing.
• 26:40
  Not a particularly attractive car.
• 26:42
  I'm thrown by the Wagoneer name. You know, it should be like it's
• 26:45
  probably the Cherokee replacement, but probably not
• 26:47
  using that name any longer. But not a huge it's not the
• 26:49
  Grand Cherokee. It's a more of a mid sized
• 26:51
  thing. Holy crap, what an entertaining
• 26:53
  thing that was. But yeah, there were enough
• 26:57
  cars, you know, everyone at time, you know, there really
• 26:59
  wasn't a dud in the bunch. I mean, everything was
• 27:02
  everything's pretty good anymore, right?
• 27:05
  And, and none of the manufacturers are going to show
• 27:07
  up with anything that sucks, right?
• 27:08
  So, you know, that's very cool. Even the more basic cars came in
• 27:11
  nice trims and you know, everything was.
• 27:14
  Pretty nice. You, you mentioned, Michael, you
• 27:16
  occasionally see McLaren's in LA or assuming quite frequently.
• 27:20
  I, I think when we were talking the other day you said that car
• 27:22
  culture is really changing or you're saying change in LA.
• 27:24
  What are you saying? Well, you're seeing a lot of
• 27:30
  like 2 things are kind of happening.
• 27:32
  And, and, and Dan, you know, a more recent transplant.
• 27:34
  By the way, there is a Pagani dealer not, not a mile from
• 27:37
  where you are now posted, you know, in, in where you're living
• 27:40
  in LA. If you, if you The funny thing
• 27:43
  about it real quickly, the Pagani dealer, it's a glass
• 27:45
  fronted storefront. And if you go inside, it's a
• 27:48
  it's roped off area, like when you first walk in the door,
• 27:51
  because I, you know, it's really by appointment only.
• 27:53
  And they say no photos. They tell you no photos.
• 27:55
  There's this big sign, no photos allowed.
• 27:56
  But literally though, you could stand on the sidewalk and take
• 27:59
  care of take picture of everything that's in the
• 28:01
  showroom. All that being said.
• 28:04
  But but to that end though, like where do you see a Pagani
• 28:06
  dealer? Like an actual Pagani dealer,
• 28:07
  right? And then, you know, being in LA,
• 28:09
  you do get to see, you know, whether it's the the the the
• 28:13
  rest O mod stuff of like icons or obviously Singer.
• 28:16
  I'm, I'm and also gonna know which is, you know, probably 10
• 28:19
  miles from where singer now has their new headquarters.
• 28:21
  And, you know, so you get to see a lot of different things.
• 28:23
  But where the culture's changing, where I'm going with
• 28:25
  this is that, you know, cars and coffees were was started out
• 28:29
  here, which I know Lindsey has a great history with.
• 28:32
  And as you've seen those kind of morph into what they've become.
• 28:37
  Now you have more restrictions or people are trying to profit
• 28:40
  and make them more of a business rather than just a gathering.
• 28:45
  But what you're seeing on the other side of it and kind of a
• 28:47
  response to that, Dan, as you start to drive around LA, you'll
• 28:51
  see you pay, if you pay attention, you'll go through
• 28:53
  major intersections and all you'll see is tire marks because
• 28:57
  some of the crowd here is, you know, St. what was street racing
• 29:00
  back in the day, that kind of inspired fast and furious
• 29:02
  franchise is now St. takeovers. And obviously, you know the
• 29:06
  dangers of that. And that's a almost nightly
• 29:08
  occurrence in LA depending on, you know, the part of town
• 29:11
  you're in. And even some of the more
• 29:14
  populous parts of town, you'll see just, you know, big, big
• 29:17
  swirls in the in the street because someone had come in and,
• 29:20
  you know, done a street takeover.
• 29:21
  And and it's interesting to see how that has shifted from kind
• 29:25
  of these social gatherings to now they're they're either kind
• 29:29
  of trying to be money making operations because obviously, as
• 29:32
  you guys know, putting on an event is not an easy thing to
• 29:34
  do, especially, you know, in this day and age.
• 29:37
  But also the other part of it, the people that don't want to do
• 29:39
  that or don't have the money to spend or don't have the quote,
• 29:41
  UN quote, cool car. They've kind of found their own
• 29:44
  way of doing their version of the car thing, which is
• 29:48
  arguably, you know, dangerous in the street takeover stuff.
• 29:50
  But even just sort of the smaller groups that gather
• 29:53
  because on any given day and every given weekend and you
• 29:56
  know, there's, there's something going on in, in LA with the car
• 29:59
  scene, but it's becoming more bifurcated in my opinion.
• 30:02
  It's becoming not exclusionary, but it's not, it's not that kind
• 30:05
  of warm friendliness that I, I, I know I've heard Lindsay talk
• 30:08
  about and I've chatted with her a little bit the way those
• 30:10
  original cars and coffees used to be, even the ones in Malibu
• 30:13
  and that some of the ones that have been unfortunately
• 30:15
  discontinued, it wasn't that love of the automobile.
• 30:18
  Now it's like this is, you know, everybody's kind of clicked.
• 30:22
  It's like a high school, right? Everybody's clicked off into
• 30:24
  their own little groups. And I hope, I hope that changes.
• 30:27
  I hope that changes. And I know that Peterson does a
• 30:28
  great job of they did the Lowrider show, they got the 80s
• 30:31
  and 90s exhibit now. And, you know, hopefully that
• 30:35
  brings more people together and kind of brings everybody back to
• 30:37
  a more communal sense because it feels too, in my opinion, it's
• 30:43
  starting to get too too small and too too insular.
• 30:48
  I don't know what it's like in Denver these days with, you
• 30:50
  know, because you I know you guys fuel fed, which we know
• 30:52
  Mike does and all that other stuff.
• 30:54
  Are people more communal or are they going to again?
• 30:56
  You find your own scene. Yeah.
• 30:59
  There's so much going on for a city, you know, our size.
• 31:01
  Who's the guy Burns that did like the Civil War PBS series?
• 31:07
  You know, I'm talking about what, Ken Burns.
• 31:09
  I was just listening to a, Let's just listen to an interview with
• 31:12
  him and he was talking about how, you know, back in, you
• 31:15
  know, 1858, there was some professional baseball player who
• 31:18
  was like, you know, ruing how, you know, the spirit of the game
• 31:21
  was gone. And it wasn't the game that he
• 31:23
  grew up with, right? You know, and sometimes I wonder
• 31:26
  if it's just not us getting older, right?
• 31:29
  Maybe, you know, but maybe, right.
• 31:33
  And I guess you just sort of have to find your own thing.
• 31:35
  We get some of that crap here too, right?
• 31:36
  You know, this. I don't think the street
• 31:38
  takeover is quite so much right, but there's some of that.
• 31:41
  You see these yahoos on like dirt bikes, you know, zipping
• 31:43
  around. They the cops don't seem to see
• 31:45
  them, but every the rest of us do, right, But I think we're
• 31:49
  pretty tame here in in Denver. I mean there are a lot of
• 31:51
  events. You know, I don't make it too
• 31:53
  just because they're not quite my my scene, but but you know,
• 31:58
  there are a lot of events that I do right.
• 31:59
  Fuel fed, you know, you mentioned is a great one.
• 32:02
  I don't know, I guess maybe as we get older, we look for
• 32:05
  different things out of it, right?
• 32:06
  And I think the older I get, the less I want to sit around in a
• 32:10
  parking lot, right? The more I want to be out
• 32:12
  driving, you know, time is precious and that kind of thing.
• 32:17
  So I, I don't know, it's, you know, the Peterson definitely is
• 32:21
  killing it. I think you've talked about the
• 32:23
  Peterson heart and soul, you know, beating heart of of of car
• 32:25
  culture right in LA and maybe the the greater country and that
• 32:29
  80s nineties thing that was going on.
• 32:31
  I'm not going to try to pronounce the Italian show that
• 32:34
  what just happened with Machanism, right, with Maurice
• 32:38
  Merrick, who I think MC the thing, which is awesome to see.
• 32:42
  It's so good that there is like a stabilizer, right, That like
• 32:45
  that, right, that there is sort of a mother ship or whatever.
• 32:47
  I think keeps things in check a little bit.
• 32:49
  But it's interesting. I I guess it's something that
• 32:52
  will always change, right? And always, you know, maybe the
• 32:55
  older we get, the more foreign some of it will seem.
• 32:58
  But it should be friendly, right?
• 33:00
  It should be fun. I don't know well.
• 33:02
  I went up to Good Vibes last Friday, Los Angeles Crest
• 33:07
  Highway to Newcomb's branch. I met Dan McGuinness to the
• 33:10
  bottom. Of course you did.
• 33:12
  And then Matt, Dan McGinnis at the top.
• 33:15
  Because he. Proceeded to overtake me in my
• 33:18
  little SQ5. He's got the boxer spider and I
• 33:22
  was like, I think I said to him, look, if I see you coming up
• 33:25
  behind me, I'll move over and he goes, don't worry, I know you
• 33:29
  will. But it was good to see him.
• 33:33
  That's a Mcginnisism. Yeah, I said to him, you'll
• 33:36
  never make a breakdown. So yeah.
• 33:39
  But we I got to the top and actually it was more of what you
• 33:42
  talked about, Michael. So Jay's out of town at the
• 33:45
  minute. He's kind of like the sheriff,
• 33:47
  if you will. They're worse than young idiots
• 33:51
  at the top in brand new GT4 RSS doing like driving excessively
• 33:57
  through the car park and then doing burnouts and just making
• 34:01
  loads of noise. So the thing I think I've
• 34:04
  learned from that is I had to get into the office for about
• 34:07
  10. So I left about 8:45, but I
• 34:11
  think they were pretty much gone by 8:45.
• 34:13
  So moving forward, I think my lesson is to get up there later.
• 34:18
  So as I was coming down, I saw Leave the Moon, I saw Farah
• 34:21
  coming up. So I think now the smart move is
• 34:24
  actually to go to good vibes later.
• 34:26
  Interesting, interesting. Well, well, well, Jay was, I, I
• 34:29
  know just from, from Instagram, he was at the Goonies, I think
• 34:32
  was, was at the 40th anniversary festival in Astoria.
• 34:35
  Yeah, yeah. So he was out doing important,
• 34:39
  important work, right? Yeah, no, it's a it's a great
• 34:42
  show. I saw Maurice at the Machanisma
• 34:45
  show. He was in good form.
• 34:47
  He he got to interview Bruce Meyer.
• 34:49
  Bruce brought his 250 shortwheel based.
• 34:52
  That's such a beautiful car. It's, you know, it won the
• 34:55
  silver. Yeah.
• 34:56
  It's and he was he, he was then on he brought, I think he just
• 35:02
  got a new Alfa Romeo classic convertible.
• 35:05
  So he, I spoke to him in the week and he was oh.
• 35:07
  Yeah, yes, he did. Yes, he.
• 35:09
  Did and then he drove that down and then he did part of the
• 35:12
  rally and I was lucky enough to get invited to the rally as
• 35:14
  well. I had a modern alpha, he had a
• 35:18
  classic alpha. But we we both met at the other
• 35:20
  end. Nice, awesome.
• 35:23
  Love Maurice. He's the real deal.
• 35:25
  And yeah, I just did. He's such a pro consummate
• 35:28
  professional, whether whether he's interviewing someone or
• 35:31
  emceeing. I mean, he's he's who I want to
• 35:33
  be when I grow up. He's a he's a great, great guy.
• 35:36
  He's a. Lot of times you'll get there.
• 35:41
  I think he's about my age. That's the problem.
• 35:43
  So shoot, yeah. No, it's good.
• 35:47
  Yeah. 80s and 90s. I got to that event as well, so
• 35:49
  I don't know whether it's useful to talk a little bit about that.
• 35:53
  So they have a new exhibit called Totally Awesome.
• 35:56
  It's on the ground floor of the museum, so opposite the
• 35:59
  Mountain's Cafe. You know, as you can imagine,
• 36:03
  it's everything, 80s and 90s, a massive celebration of all that
• 36:06
  good stuff. Stand outs for you, Ryan.
• 36:09
  I think probably they have got the very 1st.
• 36:13
  I don't have this first actual car but the first year of the AM
• 36:17
  GG Wagon convertible. Oh, really?
• 36:20
  So I saw that and saw you, Michael.
• 36:22
  I don't think I know you well enough.
• 36:23
  Was there an 80s or 90s car that really, you know, sparked you?
• 36:29
  I mean, I, I, the, that PPG pace core cyclone that I, I, I, I've
• 36:37
  had, I've had multiple cyclones and, and a typhoon that I
• 36:39
  recently sold. So, so I, you know, I'm very
• 36:41
  familiar with those cars and that particular car or that
• 36:45
  truck, I should say, is, is very famous within that community.
• 36:49
  But it's also, you know, those PPG pace cars are obviously very
• 36:54
  rare. They all had performance
• 36:56
  modifications done to them that that particular car is amazing.
• 37:02
  The real amazing car that fits into that vein, which I I'm kind
• 37:06
  of surprised that someone didn't offer them Instead is they made
• 37:10
  a cyclone, they made 10 cyclones that were giveaway cars from
• 37:13
  Marlboro when Marlboro was a big sponsor, was a big sponsor.
• 37:18
  You know of all the stuff in the 90s and if you smoked enough,
• 37:23
  there's basically a golden ticket kind of like will want
• 37:26
  and they they gave away they gave away 10 of them.
• 37:28
  They all had their if you Google them, you will see the paint job
• 37:32
  totally different paint jobs. They had someone cut teeth that
• 37:34
  they had custom made tea tops made for them.
• 37:37
  Larry Shinoda like the Larry Shinoda did the IS.
• 37:40
  This for the cigarette smoke? Yeah.
• 37:42
  I guess right for the cigarette had like, so basically these
• 37:44
  were 10 giveaway cards and they're, you know, they're still
• 37:47
  around. Most, most, most of them are
• 37:49
  still around and they bring serious, serious money.
• 37:52
  But the names that were evolved and again, it was ASC, the same
• 37:56
  company that did the other stuff.
• 37:57
  It was it was Marlboro, it was Larry Shinoda.
• 38:01
  Those are very fun and interesting, which again,
• 38:04
  there's ten of them in the world.
• 38:05
  I think even a couple of made it overseas because they were all
• 38:07
  giving away in America to to to cigarette smokers.
• 38:10
  But you know, they're just kind of like, but no, I think I think
• 38:17
  what the Peterson does so well and where I'm going with this is
• 38:19
  if they just have so much access to so much great stuff is that
• 38:23
  you always get surprised by something there.
• 38:25
  And more importantly, they're like, I credit everybody there.
• 38:29
  You include Dan like, like for bringing in a lot of things that
• 38:32
  people didn't know or maybe had forgotten about.
• 38:35
  And I promise you that cyclone is not something especially that
• 38:38
  PPG one, because it obviously was a true pace truck for the
• 38:41
  for the races. Like, you know, that's going to
• 38:43
  that that paint job alone when you guys Google it or right, if
• 38:46
  you Google it, like that's gonna some little kids gonna be
• 38:48
  impressed by that. Some kids gonna walk in there.
• 38:51
  Even if they don't like the car, they're gonna love the way it
• 38:53
  looks. And I think that's what a lot of
• 38:55
  these things, much like the Diablo as we started the
• 38:57
  conversation, that's what gets us first.
• 38:59
  It for, for most people that are, you know, they, they see it
• 39:02
  and they're like, Oh my God, you know, and I hope that that type
• 39:06
  of car inspires some, some young person to, you know, follow the
• 39:09
  rest of us into this obsession that, you know, consumes our
• 39:12
  waking and all of our waking hours.
• 39:15
  They literally have something for everyone there.
• 39:17
  It's a Group B rally car. Well, actually two Group B rally
• 39:20
  cars. 1 is a Citroen, so it's a road car.
• 39:24
  And then they've got the, the car that we took to the choir
• 39:28
  actually last year with Derfish. So the the LDS 1E2 driven by
• 39:34
  Anna. McClain Oh, yeah, I remember we
• 39:35
  saw that car, right? We saw that one at the Quail, I
• 39:38
  think. I know we walked by that car.
• 39:40
  The quail, I think it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 39:43
  yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know someone had a little
• 39:46
  something to do with that. Yeah, yeah.
• 39:49
  I was also impressed with some of the outfits.
• 39:51
  Did you, were you respect resplendent in white linen
• 39:54
  yourself or did you dress? What was the?
• 39:57
  I was pretty blown away by some of the outfits.
• 39:58
  Yeah, I had, I had a kind of bit of a Miami Vice vibes going on
• 40:02
  with a white jacket and white shoes.
• 40:05
  And but that was all a little bit interrupted because before
• 40:08
  the event started I went to help out to move a Schumacher
• 40:11
  Ferrari. Formula One Cup.
• 40:14
  So I mean, the jacket was pants pushing this damn thing.
• 40:19
  So yeah, it was it was less Miami Vice and I guess more
• 40:23
  Miami Grand Prix. It's humid in Miami.
• 40:27
  Right yeah it'll sweat yeah OK and the brown but it's it's open
• 40:30
  now it made. It authentic.
• 40:33
  Yeah. It's made it authentic, right?
• 40:35
  You were true, true Miami style. Yeah, but they have got the
• 40:38
  Daytona from Miami Vice in there.
• 40:40
  So the story behind that is that there's this fake detainer, it's
• 40:45
  a Corvette with a Daytona body on top.
• 40:47
  The 1st, at least the first season of Miami Vice.
• 40:50
  That's what they were driving around in.
• 40:52
  Ferrari tried to sue and said cease and desist or we'll sue
• 40:56
  you. They got into conversations and
• 40:59
  then Ferrari kind of changed their tune and gave them to
• 41:03
  Ferrari testaroses in white. So but that.
• 41:06
  That's the story, yeah, OK. Well, do you mind if I put a
• 41:09
  little, little more color on that?
• 41:11
  Yeah. So that so Michael Mann, the
• 41:14
  great writer director who who created my advice, you know, got
• 41:18
  that cease and assistant. And and because that's when,
• 41:21
  especially in that time, there were a lot of replicas being
• 41:24
  made and obviously far I couldn't do it when they made
• 41:27
  that deal for the white testaroses, Ferrari said that
• 41:31
  they had to blow up the car. So in the season finale of it is
• 41:35
  season 1, maybe season 2. I it's been a while, but
• 41:38
  whatever the season finale is before the switchover happens.
• 41:41
  Yeah, they blow up that car. Wow.
• 41:43
  Specifically to satisfy. Oh no.
• 41:46
  Kidding. Yeah, They're they.
• 41:47
  They said you need to. You need.
• 41:49
  I don't know if they were looking.
• 41:50
  I can't speak to whether or not they were looking for it to
• 41:52
  actually be done on screen, but they wanted the car destroyed,
• 41:54
  basically. Yeah, because they didn't want,
• 41:56
  you know, a faint now that the show was becoming famous, they
• 41:59
  didn't want that car to get passed around and inspire other
• 42:02
  people to, like, chop up or make replicas.
• 42:04
  So they asked for that car to be destroyed, maybe the stories
• 42:08
  that needed to be destroyed. So what, they did it and
• 42:10
  typical, you know, kind of grandeur of Hollywood, they
• 42:12
  literally, they actually blow up that car whenever the season
• 42:15
  finale is before the switchover. And they destroyed it per the
• 42:19
  request of Ferrari. Yeah, wow.
• 42:22
  Love it. It's funny because there's also
• 42:23
  the fake Ferris Bueller tar there and.
• 42:29
  Yeah. What didn't this thing have?
• 42:31
  What? What doesn't this exhibit have?
• 42:33
  It's got everything. It's got anything clarin F1?
• 42:35
  Yeah, yeah, I. Mean, you know.
• 42:37
  You can stand and look at the McLaren F1 for hours.
• 42:40
  Oh. My God.
• 42:41
  Oh my God. It's not about details.
• 42:43
  Yeah, I was talking to Justin Bell about it because he
• 42:46
  obviously raced one in period. And I was like, you know, did
• 42:49
  you, did they give you 1? And he's like, no, he was racing
• 42:53
  for the owner of parents and the owner of Harrods would lend him.
• 42:59
  He had one, I had a road version.
• 43:01
  So he got to borrow one a few times, but didn't get to kind of
• 43:04
  given one. But yeah, there's there's also
• 43:07
  the low tech, which is a Mercedes.
• 43:09
  It's almost like the the prototype that was going to be a
• 43:12
  competitor to the McLaren F1 didn't make it as a car because
• 43:16
  they obviously then went to the the CLK platform.
• 43:20
  Right. Right.
• 43:22
  Yeah, that was a. Double last year too.
• 43:24
  Yes, yeah, Great exhibit, lots of great cars.
• 43:28
  If you're going to like, go have a look.
• 43:31
  Yeah, looks amazing. Look like a hell of a party.
• 43:33
  It hurt to miss it, but can't do everything.
• 43:36
  Next time. Yeah, eventually I'm just going
• 43:38
  to join you 2 in LA. Yeah, just come on out for a
• 43:41
  long weekend. You got to make it.
• 43:43
  You got. To come by for.
• 43:45
  Good vibes, right, yeah, see what your wife and daughter how
• 43:49
  they do about that. But you real quickly.
• 43:51
  I just lastly on on what yeah, go ahead.
• 43:53
  It's the 80s and 90s. I think to your point, how we
• 43:56
  started this with your comment about the Subaru, that stuff not
• 43:59
  only was fast then it felt fast and it did all those things like
• 44:02
  the Janetta V16, like there's all these interesting cars.
• 44:05
  These are all the progenitors to the, to what we see now.
• 44:08
  And it's so common and, and, and the horsepower numbers now with
• 44:11
  the new ZR1 with over 1000 horsepower, like this is really
• 44:15
  where it started because in the 70s and early mid 80s that I
• 44:19
  mean, by large, that was dead right.
• 44:21
  And so you had these people doing these things that I would
• 44:24
  argue inspired the people that are now making the things that
• 44:26
  we lust after or more importantly, the the next
• 44:29
  generation lust after. And thank goodness that there
• 44:33
  was the ability to do what's in that at that time, because it'd
• 44:36
  be hard to replicate that level of, of volume in these different
• 44:39
  types of cars today. They got in that late 80s, early
• 44:43
  90s, and obviously into the early 2000s time frame that
• 44:46
  people were doing that because you could argue there's not a
• 44:49
  Hellcat without people doing the crazy stuff they did in the 80s.
• 44:52
  Not just prove a business case, but it inspires somebody to the
• 44:57
  the, you know, all the people that did a lot of these more
• 45:00
  modern supercars or, or the revival cars, if you will, like
• 45:03
  the Challengers and the Mustangs and the, you know, I'll reboot
• 45:06
  like that started then. And if that hadn't happened, I
• 45:09
  think people underestimate as crappy of cars as they may have
• 45:12
  been. Like your point about we've
• 45:13
  joked about the Diablo. It's a great car that inspired
• 45:17
  the stuff that now people either take for granted or or get a
• 45:20
  chance to experience today. And I'm happy that happened,
• 45:23
  because if not, it would look vastly different than what we
• 45:25
  came out of the 70s and early 80s with.
• 45:30
  For the record, I love the Diablo, right?
• 45:32
  I just right. No, no, I know it's an amazing
• 45:35
  thing. But.
• 45:36
  We've gotten better with how we put cars together.
• 45:39
  Think. About different.
• 45:42
  No, I think, I think about, I know I'm the oldest one in this
• 45:45
  group, but we're all roughly, you know, we, we could have all
• 45:47
  gone to high school together, right?
• 45:49
  We are unique in our generation. We've seen from like literally
• 45:52
  the worst cars ever made to some of the best cars ever made,
• 45:55
  right? Talk about a golden age of cars
• 45:59
  to grow up and grow old with, right?
• 46:01
  I mean, when we were born, you know, mid late 70s, right, cars
• 46:06
  were as bad as they ever were. You know, I mean, I grew up with
• 46:09
  these diesel Volkswagens. I mean, there, there were these,
• 46:12
  you know, anemic, you know, 110 horsepower American V eights on
• 46:15
  the road. I mean, these were just the
• 46:17
  Malaysia. It's literally called the
• 46:18
  Malaysia. That's what we were born into,
• 46:20
  right? And, and, and look at us now.
• 46:23
  It's it's, it's, it's wild. Everything old.
• 46:26
  Everything old is new again because we used to make fun of
• 46:28
  Yugos, right? And now, I don't know if you
• 46:31
  caught wind, you know, Hugo's coming back so.
• 46:35
  You know, it looks pretty good. Yeah, I mean, I think it's AII
• 46:39
  mean, I, I mean, I obviously I haven't physically seen one yet,
• 46:42
  but but the joy of it is, is I think maybe the lesson here is
• 46:44
  life is cyclical, right? You know, you had the the post
• 46:47
  war stuff when everybody was hot rodding and that was the
• 46:49
  inspiration for the 60s muscle car air and the the the turbine
• 46:53
  cars and all the different, you know, the the Motorama stuff in
• 46:56
  the 40s and, you know, the 40s, fifties and 60s.
• 46:59
  And then to your point, Ryan, then it dips down to the 70s and
• 47:02
  80s and then we come back up and then we come down and like, so I
• 47:04
  mean, it's all just one big ride, but the the rides been
• 47:07
  good. Rides been good the last 25
• 47:09
  years, 30 years it's been real good.
• 47:11
  Super lucky on me. I'm excited to see what's what
• 47:16
  the future is and, and I'm not an anti EV person, but there has
• 47:19
  to be that, that, that splitting this, you know, kind of that,
• 47:22
  that bifurcation or that what I'm trying to say, like you have
• 47:25
  to come together between the, the the future and the past.
• 47:28
  And it'll be curious to see who figures that out, you know,
• 47:32
  whether it's a mild hybrid or a partial hybrid.
• 47:35
  But you know, to your point about the Chargers, it I've in
• 47:38
  LA, I've only seen one now of the new charges, whereas I've
• 47:42
  seen pretty much, I mean, I'm expecting to see a GTD before I
• 47:45
  see another charger. You know what I mean?
• 47:47
  Like I just have, it's the, the take, the take rate in LA is, I
• 47:50
  don't want to say indicative of the country, but that just
• 47:52
  because there's so big and so many people, you can, you tend
• 47:54
  to see a lot of everything or the 1st of things.
• 47:57
  And I've only seen one charger. So I'm not saying that that's
• 47:59
  the bad core, not the future, but it's, it's different.
• 48:02
  It's different now. I.
• 48:03
  Don't know if this is inside baseball, but talking to the
• 48:05
  folks, Ragwood, if you bought the Charger, you get a three
• 48:09
  days course at the at the school, yeah.
• 48:12
  You can still get into trouble in one of those for.
• 48:15
  Sure, yeah, 600 horsepower is 600 horsepower, isn't it?
• 48:19
  I would say they started one up while I was there and it was
• 48:22
  quite funny because it makes this raw, but obviously there's
• 48:26
  no engine, so it's it's just a complete fake raw.
• 48:31
  But at least they're trying. Yeah, it's A and it's a, it's a
• 48:36
  good looking thing, right? You know, it's, it's, it's got
• 48:40
  some, some neat lines and cutouts and you know, I mean,
• 48:43
  it's just, it's, I mean it's, it's, it's just not.
• 48:48
  I'm developing a new category of car, so the category is called
• 48:54
  All Things Are Forgiven, so there's two nominations so far.
• 48:59
  The first nomination is the Lexus LC500 convertible.
• 49:04
  It's a car that's too heavy. The to get to any of the the
• 49:08
  details in the screen, you have to dig down lots of menus.
• 49:11
  But that VA is pretty pucker. Pretty pucker.
• 49:15
  The second car, Yeah, it looks good, right?
• 49:19
  So beautiful. The second car is I had the
• 49:22
  Stelvio Quadrifolio last Sunday for the day.
• 49:26
  They gave it to me for the day. Press car, you get in that car
• 49:30
  and there is no way to work out how to use the interface.
• 49:33
  You tap the user interface and it doesn't respond.
• 49:36
  So this thing is like a premium Stellantis products.
• 49:40
  You tap it, you can't get the screen to work.
• 49:43
  As soon as you drive that thing, there is no way it's to drive as
• 49:47
  well as it does. So all things have been given on
• 49:50
  that car because because it's just it.
• 49:53
  I was driving my Audi up, good vibes, and my car felt heavy in
• 49:57
  the corners. You drive, obviously it's a line
• 50:00
  of car that's still vehicle to folio, but it's an SUV.
• 50:03
  It doesn't feel like an SUV. It goes like dillio.
• 50:06
  Yeah, all sins are forgiven. What's that phrase it goes like?
• 50:10
  Bilio, Bilio, it goes like Bilio.
• 50:14
  There's AT, there's our first T-shirt, right?
• 50:18
  Perfect, of course. I think Billy Ocean, get into my
• 50:22
  car, get out of my dreams. What was it?
• 50:24
  But it probably has nothing to do with anything.
• 50:26
  But that's where my mind. Have either of you driven any?
• 50:29
  Old child of the 80s. Yeah, You know, you go first,
• 50:34
  Michael, because I feel like you've driven some esoteric
• 50:37
  stuff. Yeah, it's, I think it comes,
• 50:40
  I'm gonna, I'm gonna stand by and I know I'm slightly dodging
• 50:43
  the question, but it it's it's use case, right.
• 50:45
  To your point, Dan, just now that SUV, your SUV and that SUV
• 50:50
  in the canyons, the use case for that is there.
• 50:53
  So then that becomes something that makes that car forgivable.
• 50:57
  Whereas if you're lugging around in traffic or you know, you have
• 51:00
  we, we have heard or I have experienced, you know, of, of,
• 51:03
  you know, electrical issues with alphas, late model alphas, you
• 51:06
  know, all the other sins that on a livable days, day-to-day
• 51:09
  basis, maybe you can't forgive it.
• 51:11
  But on a use case, that's a great car.
• 51:14
  So maybe the maybe it's like, is there a great use case for the
• 51:17
  car? And so I don't know.
• 51:21
  I, I, I'm grateful to get to experience some of the things
• 51:25
  that I've gotten to experience. And, and it's just, you love
• 51:28
  them for what they are. And I try not to not love them
• 51:31
  for what they're not. So I know I dodged the question
• 51:33
  because I can't think of anything that's either
• 51:35
  impressive or, or fancy, but, or even just fun.
• 51:38
  But like they're all, they can all be fun in their own way.
• 51:41
  I mean, going ironically, going back to the you go, the you go
• 51:44
  was a great around town car because I worked at a tire store
• 51:47
  for for three years in college. And like we had we literally had
• 51:51
  AU go as a parts runner and that thing like you could you could
• 51:54
  park it practically on the sidewalk because it was so
• 51:56
  small. You know, you filled it up with
• 51:58
  gas once a month, but it could do 65 on the highway.
• 52:01
  But you know, you're running around parts around.
• 52:03
  I wasn't Boulder, but like you're running around Boulder.
• 52:05
  So you're not really, you're not.
• 52:06
  You don't really need to do 85 so.
• 52:08
  Yeah, yeah. That kind of car, like for a
• 52:11
  piece of garbage that it was that we had everything taped up
• 52:14
  and you know, you had to use a bungee to keep the door closed.
• 52:18
  It was a really good car. So I kind of feel like in that
• 52:20
  case that car worked out really great.
• 52:21
  So that's my that's that's my sins are forgiven car as an
• 52:25
  early yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 52:29
  I don't know they have a particular model, but I'll, I'll
• 52:32
  give credit, you know, to anything that takes a risk,
• 52:34
  right? That isn't just, you know,
• 52:35
  committee down to nothing, right.
• 52:37
  And maybe that's where the alpha comes in, something like the
• 52:39
  alpha, right? I mentioned the, the Lotus
• 52:43
  Elise. I know the car is 20 years old,
• 52:44
  not hard to believe, but that car just was so good at its
• 52:48
  mission that you didn't care that it barely fits you.
• 52:50
  You didn't care that the stereo sucked.
• 52:52
  You didn't care that, you know, if you, if you crashed the, the,
• 52:56
  the front, they called the clam or whatever in the front, then
• 52:58
  the car was worthless, right? You know it clamshell, right?
• 53:03
  You know, it's just, but damn it, if that car wasn't amazing
• 53:06
  right now, if I'd gotten one now, maybe I think it was slow,
• 53:09
  whatever. But I mean, anything that just
• 53:11
  says, you know what, I'm just going to, you know, let my freak
• 53:14
  flag fly and just sort of be my own thing.
• 53:16
  That's why I love Alpha, right? That's why I still love Lotus,
• 53:20
  right? I just, you know, the, the, the,
• 53:23
  the sorts of of companies are few and far between anymore,
• 53:26
  right? Lexus.
• 53:27
  I mean, you know that Lexus isn't isn't making, you know,
• 53:30
  Lexus money, right? You know, but they're doing it
• 53:34
  right. You know how many cars have a
• 53:35
  big V8 like that? It's a you can get it as a
• 53:37
  convertible. I mean, that's it's I don't
• 53:40
  know, we need cars like that. We need more of that stuff, so.
• 53:47
  Anything else from you gentlemen?
• 53:48
  What else did we? God, I got to give a shout out.
• 53:53
  OK, so Michael, you grew up in Denver, right?
• 53:58
  I think a lot of our listenership is in Denver.
• 53:59
  If you are in Denver or the the Front Range of the Denver metro,
• 54:02
  you need a hair cut by a car enthusiast who if you want to
• 54:07
  get your hair cut in an actual garage with a vintage alpha
• 54:10
  Julio next to you, check out Tuna's garage and Instagram Ryan
• 54:15
  Lowry. He cut my hair looks that right,
• 54:17
  right. What littles left the other day
• 54:20
  and we had a lot of fun talking about cars and everything else,
• 54:22
  but where else can you can you have that experience, right?
• 54:24
  You're literally sitting next to an alpha, right?
• 54:26
  So if you are in Denver. Ryan Lowry, Yeah, very good,
• 54:30
  Very good. But I think we're probably a
• 54:32
  show on We Gentlemen. You guys definitely knuckle me.
• 54:38
  That's for. Sure.
• 54:38
  No, we need to hear you say off for a.
• 54:40
  While. We we have a phrase at the end
• 54:43
  of every show, so I know. Do you know what it is, Michael,
• 54:46
  or do we need to do? You know it.
• 54:47
  I've, I've heard you guys do it. Yeah, but but I am not, I'm not
• 54:50
  a yeah, I'm, I'm not a full member of the team yet.
• 54:53
  So I that'll be my initiation. Once Lindsay is here, we can do
• 54:56
  it all together. Always be driving.
• 54:59
  Yes. The password is is.
• 55:02
  That your Wi-Fi password at your house.
• 55:06
  Yeah, except well, from myself, Michael and Ryan Lindsay, we
• 55:12
  hope you're having a great time on your your international
• 55:15
  visit. But just remember with that car
• 55:18
  show, always be driving.