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Army Now Looking for False Allegations, Ricky Vaughn is Free | HBR News 511 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: On this week's HBr News, we're gonna be talking about
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  Speaker 1: the some like updates like Ricky Vaughan aka Douglas Mackie,
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  Speaker 1: who you may recall was arrested for memes. It's like
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  Speaker 1: the ultimate crime. Obviously the Army and I got this
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  Speaker 1: on good authority is now going to be much better
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  Speaker 1: about due process for false for the accused, which is
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  Speaker 1: men in the military. Grock has had a little bit
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  Speaker 2: It's thank you for picking up on the earth noise
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  Speaker 2: that I made. But with regard to our Madawi, I
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  Speaker 2: realized that when they take these writers uh uh mugshots
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  Speaker 2: for these obstacles, they try to make them as neutral
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  Speaker 2: as possible. And now we're sat here with our woman
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  Speaker 2: Dai's face being as neutral as possible, being as like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: what's going on? Well, she says, yes, I would literally
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  Speaker 2: it to you into space. Yes, disagree with.
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  Speaker 1: The whole vacuum of space.
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  Speaker 3: As neutral as possible, And she's still looking.
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  Speaker 2: The face that that that would work alongside this statement.
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  Speaker 2: It's the face of some kind of mega brain from
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  Speaker 2: some kind of Jason in the Wield Warriors cartoonish villain, Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it should be someone just staring bullets into the screen,
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  Speaker 2: and yet she's she's just there with with her. It's
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  Speaker 2: a sign of the times, folks, for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Well, she's completely unoriginal anyway, I mean, Douglas Adams already
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  Speaker 3: kind of covered this, so m.
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  Speaker 1: H, well, anyway, let us know what you guys, think
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  Speaker 1: about this article, join us, so we'll get into the
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  Speaker 1: like so you can like see what it is she's
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  Speaker 1: got on her mind. All right, Well, with all that said,
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  Speaker 1: let us get into today's stories. So on July ninth,
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  Speaker 1: the Second Circuit Court of Appeals overturned the conspiracy against
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  Speaker 1: Wright's case against Douglas Mackeie, better known online as his
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  Speaker 1: alias Ricky Vaughan. And if you've never seen Major League,
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  Speaker 1: you really should. It's awesome.
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  Speaker 3: By the way.
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  Speaker 1: Mackie was relentlessly targeted by the incoming Biden and Department
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  Speaker 1: of Justice in twenty twenty one, after he had made
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  Speaker 1: a series of parody memes. The meme that got Mackey
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  Speaker 1: in trouble was a mock campaign ad posted during the
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  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen US presidential election that claimed those voting for
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  Speaker 1: Clinton that would be Hillary Clinton could do so by
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  Speaker 1: texting in their vote. United States Attorney and case prosecutor
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  Speaker 1: Breon Peace claimed quote, the defendant weaponized disinformation and a
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  Speaker 1: dangerous scheme to stop targeted groups, including black and brown
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  Speaker 1: p people and women, Which is, wow, what are you
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  Speaker 1: assuming there, buddy, from participating in our democracy. This groundbreaking
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  Speaker 1: prosecution demonstrates our commitment to prosecuting those who commit crimes
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  Speaker 1: that threaten our democracy and seek to deprive people of
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  Speaker 1: their constitutional right to vote end quote. This claim stems
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  Speaker 1: from at least one of Macki's memes featuring a black
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  Speaker 1: woman in it. Two years later, in twenty twenty three,
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  Speaker 1: Mackie was found guilty of meaning and given seven months
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  Speaker 1: in prison. This was until the ninth of this month,
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  Speaker 1: when the Second Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in Macki's
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  Speaker 1: favor due to lack of evidence, sending the case back
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  Speaker 1: down to the lower court for dismissal. Macki triumphantly took
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  Speaker 1: to social media, writing breaking, the Second Circuit Court of
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  Speaker 1: Appeals has thrown out my conviction for lack of evidence.
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  Speaker 1: The case has been remanded and to the district court
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  Speaker 1: with orders to immediately dismiss hallelujah end quote.
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  Speaker 2: Lou Year. Indeed, if Douglas Mackie had said those things
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  Speaker 2: in the UK, he would have been sentenced to seven
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  Speaker 2: months in jail. Wait what he was sentenced to seven
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  Speaker 2: months in jail in America? Oh? Okay, So let us
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  Speaker 2: not look upon this chapter of American history as some
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  Speaker 2: kind of victory. It was not a victory. It only
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  Speaker 2: looks like a victory because this particular political prisoner was
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  Speaker 2: exonerated in the end. But you've no idea how many
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  Speaker 2: Americans are still in jail for saying things in the
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  Speaker 2: event that no journalists will even talk about it. Most
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  Speaker 2: legacy journalists are raging lefties. Let us not forget Douglas
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  Speaker 2: Mackie's case is not a victory. It was a blemish,
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  Speaker 2: It was a stain. It was a moment when America
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  Speaker 2: looked like it might start sliding into the same hellhole
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  Speaker 2: that has already swallowed Europe. It's not just censorship. Censorship
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  Speaker 2: is when it is when you merely erase the things
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  Speaker 2: that people say, when you arrest the people who said
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  Speaker 2: those things just for saying those things. That's something else
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  Speaker 2: all together. The jury is out on exactly what we
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  Speaker 2: call it, fascism, despotism, totalitarianism, whatever, But whatever it is,
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  Speaker 2: it's a sign of decline. Once again. God bless America
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  Speaker 2: for even having stories of free speech being upheld in
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  Speaker 2: your nation. In Europe, we only have stories of natives
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  Speaker 2: being locked up for years for publicly criticizing the violent
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  Speaker 2: invaders who rape and pillage their way through our communities,
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  Speaker 2: for which those invaders receive a slap on the wrist
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  Speaker 2: if they're unlucky, like that that zombie looking guy Solomon
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  Speaker 2: Gallaghan who tried to kidnap an eleven year old and
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  Speaker 2: he's just been let off because he's too retarded to
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  Speaker 2: stand trial. But apparently he's not too retarded to be
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  Speaker 2: set free to roam the streets and continue to kidnap
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  Speaker 2: children because he doesn't know it's wrong. Oh wait, that
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  Speaker 2: happened in Colorado. My bad. Looks like the specter is
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  Speaker 2: already upon you America, especially in the Blue States. The
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  Speaker 2: bluer it is the worse. It is already again. Best
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  Speaker 2: of luck. I hope you'll stop going crazy as soon
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  Speaker 2: as possible, because I would like to live here on
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  Speaker 2: account of my own country. Indeed, my own entire continent
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  Speaker 2: will not stop going crazy. We have millions of foreign
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  Speaker 2: zombies kidnapping children with impunity, and if we complain about it,
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  Speaker 2: we'll get arrested. I think I've sufficiently expressed the moral
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  Speaker 2: of the story, and it's stop it, everyone, Just fucking
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  Speaker 2: stop it. Get some help and vote Democrat by shitting
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  Speaker 2: into your hand and hurling it at the nearest person
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  Speaker 2: the more you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, they're already doing it that way in California. That's
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  Speaker 3: another news story and getting away with it. But I
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  Speaker 3: will say this about the the retarded case that probably
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  Speaker 3: resulted in institutionalization, just not in prison. Usually in the
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  Speaker 3: United States, when somebody is deemed not guilty by reason
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  Speaker 3: of insanity or incompetence or some other variety of this
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  Speaker 3: person couldn't distinguish what they were doing or distinguish that
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  Speaker 3: what they were doing is wrong. They're also deemed incapable
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  Speaker 3: of taking care of themselves and running around without supervision.
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  Speaker 3: So that's one thing. But the normal average and above
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  Speaker 3: an even somewhat below average can do exactly that right around,
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  Speaker 3: take care of themselves without supervision. And what this case
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  Speaker 3: was really about, what the arrest was really about, was
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  Speaker 3: an attempt at establishing control over political speech in the
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  Speaker 3: United States. If they could chip away at it by
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  Speaker 3: making up reasons why this political joke or that political
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  Speaker 3: comment should be illegal, even though the most protected speech
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  Speaker 3: according to the Constitution is political speech. That would be
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  Speaker 3: a step toward controlling any opposition. When when the next
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  Speaker 3: election comes along, and the next after that and so on,
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  Speaker 3: And if Kamala had won, and we might have seen
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  Speaker 3: intimidation of the Supreme Court and the distinct possibility that
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  Speaker 3: the ruling would have been different just because of that.
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  Speaker 3: Because as much legal power as they have, there's still
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  Speaker 3: only nine people. And if the rest of the government
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  Speaker 3: starts threatening them, there are still only nine people. So
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  Speaker 3: they're not they're not, you know, like, you can't. You
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  Speaker 3: can't rely on a bailiff to protect you from a
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  Speaker 3: corrupt military. You can't rely on a guard, you know
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  Speaker 3: to to protect you from a corrupt military, even if
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  Speaker 3: you have more than a couple in there with you.
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  Speaker 3: That's just the way it is. And yes, it would
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  Speaker 3: have been a coup, and yes, i'm you can put
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  Speaker 3: on your tenfoil hats now, because I think that's where
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  Speaker 3: it was headed. I don't think this was just about
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  Speaker 3: getting this guy, and I don't think it was about voting.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it was about any of the things
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  Speaker 3: that the administration that arrested him thought it was.
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  Speaker 1: About, like.
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  Speaker 3: And and honestly, if it came down to a fight
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  Speaker 3: like that, it really would only be two people, because
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that the judges would have been capable
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  Speaker 3: of doing much to defend themselves, like just the bailiffs.
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  Speaker 3: So it would have been it would have been a
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  Speaker 3: complete and utter takeover. So thank God for for the
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  Speaker 3: the outcome of this last election, because everything would have
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  Speaker 3: been different. Everything would have been very different. We would
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  Speaker 3: have seen I mean, you know when you look at
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  Speaker 3: this in the context of January sixth, for instance, and
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  Speaker 3: you know, there were there were other prosecutions that they
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  Speaker 3: did that were similar, that were just political prosecutions, all
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  Speaker 3: the people within the Trump administration that they politically politically
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  Speaker 3: prosecuted and Trump himself, and like, this would have been
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  Speaker 3: a totalitarian lockdown of your civil rights in the United States.
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  Speaker 3: And so I'm really glad he's free, but that's not enough.
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  Speaker 3: I hope that he partners with some free speech protecting
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  Speaker 3: group to sue the shit out of the Justice Department
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  Speaker 3: for going through with this in the first place, because
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  Speaker 3: he never should have been arrested, He never should have
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  Speaker 3: been charged, he never should have been prosecuted. Every step
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  Speaker 3: of the way. The government was overstepping here, every step
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  Speaker 3: of the way. They knew that he was never a
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  Speaker 3: threat to anybody's right to vote. They knew that what
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  Speaker 3: he said was not wrong. They knew that what he
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  Speaker 3: said was not a crime.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: They knew it was a joke, and they knew anybody
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  Speaker 3: who saw it would know it was a joke.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, he needs to make bank and I hope
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  Speaker 3: he does. And I hope that more people who have
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  Speaker 3: been put through this start filing lawsuits. There needs to
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  Speaker 3: be a consequence where the individuals who are making these
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  Speaker 3: decisions see see consequences, right, and the departments that are
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  Speaker 3: making these decisions see consequences. And I also hope that
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  Speaker 3: the Trump administration turns around and starts investigating when you
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  Speaker 3: put together all of what was being done during the
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  Speaker 3: last four years with arrests of people the politically or
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  Speaker 3: the political opposition basically, or arresting anybody that's that's politically
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  Speaker 3: opposed to the administration that was in place at the time,
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  Speaker 3: that needs that needs investigation, and that needs prosecution. And
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: that's actually one of the most important things that they
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  Speaker 3: could do during this administration. People will think of it
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  Speaker 3: as vengeance, but it's not. It's protection because we don't
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  Speaker 3: want this to happen again. This could happen over and
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  Speaker 3: over again. The way that communists do things, the way
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  Speaker 3: that Marxists or other imposed collectivists, collectivists by force. The
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  Speaker 3: way that they do things is they push and they
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  Speaker 3: fail right over and over and over again. They win
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  Speaker 3: by nagging, they win by losing until they don't. And
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  Speaker 3: they've done that in every area of the Long March
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  Speaker 3: through the institutions. This was just another institution. So they
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  Speaker 3: will do this again if you see Democrats get in
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  Speaker 3: charge of anything. They will do this in blue states.
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  Speaker 3: They are doing this in blue states, and you know
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  Speaker 3: they will. They will try to steal future elections again,
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  Speaker 3: and they will punish people for talking about it again.
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  Speaker 3: They will punish peace before opposing them again, and so on.
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  Speaker 3: So this has to there has to be repergressions. This
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  Speaker 3: has to be cut off, and it has to be
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  Speaker 3: cut off decisively so that it does not grow back.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely. But it is good that that this
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  Speaker 1: guy got, you know, some some degree of justice that
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  Speaker 1: he was that his case was thrown out, and and
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  Speaker 1: that's a good thing. I don't think this is over.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's back online. I think he's going to
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  Speaker 1: be making a lot out of this, and he should.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll follow up as it goes on. But let
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  Speaker 1: us know what you guys think. About what happened to
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  Speaker 1: Ricky Vaughan. Gabriel says, he looks like Charlie Sheen. You
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  Speaker 1: don't get the joke, do you? That's not his real name. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I got Tiger blood man. So you have is a
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  Speaker 1: character in a movie called Major League starring Charlie Sheen.
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  Speaker 3: And if you haven't watched it, your education is incomplete.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, watching in that one as well.
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  Speaker 3: You have to watch that movie.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta watch major League. So anyway, yeah, let
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  Speaker 1: us do what we guys think about this one in
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  Speaker 1: the comments and move on to the next story. So
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  Speaker 1: uh on July ninth, Oh no, wait, this is the
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  Speaker 1: wrong Sorry, five days ago July tenth.
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  Speaker 2: It's a shame that happened right after the Tuesday show
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  Speaker 2: because in six days to talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: I know everybody's talked about it, but I feel like
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  Speaker 1: it should be brought up because I thought it was interesting.
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  Speaker 1: So you guys probably heard a little something about Grock
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: that happened. The ai chatbot developed by x Ai cause
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of a kerfuffle due to a software
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  Speaker 1: update that made it edgier and less pull correct. The update,
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  Speaker 1: announced by Elon Musk on July fourth, instructed GROC to
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  Speaker 1: avoid shying away from politically incorrect claims and to treat
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  Speaker 1: media viewpoints as biased. This led to GROC posting highly
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  Speaker 1: edgy content, including anti Semitic remarks, praising Adolph Hitler, and
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  Speaker 1: generating graphic, violent and sexual content, such as fantasies about
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  Speaker 1: raping a user. It also made inflammatory comments about political
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  Speaker 1: figures and events, like blaming Musk and Trump.
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  Speaker 4: For Texas flood deaths. The chatbot referred to itself as
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  Speaker 4: Mecha Hitler in some posts. The backlash was swift, with
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  Speaker 4: global outrage from users, anti hate groups like the ADL,
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  Speaker 4: of course, and even governments.
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  Speaker 1: Turkey ban Grock for insulting its leaders. Polden reported XAI
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  Speaker 1: to the European Commission. XAI acknowledged the issue, saying the
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  Speaker 1: behavior stem from a software change that caused GROC to
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  Speaker 1: mimic the tone of some of the more provocative users
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  Speaker 1: on x They disabled ROC's ability to post on x,
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  Speaker 1: deleted offensive content, and passed the system to add guardrails.
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  Speaker 1: The incident raised concerns about AI alignment, ethical safeguards, and
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  Speaker 1: the risks of unfiltered AI and toxic platforms, especially as
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  Speaker 1: XAI launched Rock four amid this chaos and.
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  Speaker 2: The headline that we're saying about all this is musk,
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  Speaker 2: says Grock. Chatbot was manipulated into praising Hitler, at least
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  Speaker 2: at least according to the BBC article that we're getting
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  Speaker 2: this from. I guess we'll play the ball where it lies.
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  Speaker 2: Was it elon? Was it manipulated into saying those things?
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  Speaker 2: Or was it manipulated into not saying those things? And
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  Speaker 2: then those manipulations at the last moment were switched off
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  Speaker 2: for a few hours just to see what would happen.
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  Speaker 2: And yet what happened happened for the same reason that
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  Speaker 2: it happened to take and the same reason that it
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  Speaker 2: seems to keep happening with AI system. It's the same
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  Speaker 2: thing that happens in humans. Kind of when you're told
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  Speaker 2: not to say something, you burst at the seams trying
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  Speaker 2: to say it. If you're not allowed to talk about
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  Speaker 2: a particular political subject, and then if you happen to
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  Speaker 2: find a space in which you are allowed to talk
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  Speaker 2: about it, you enter that space and you talk about
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  Speaker 2: nothing else. It's the same with swear words. The only
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  Speaker 2: reason swear words exist as a thing is because we
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  Speaker 2: are told not to say them. There are plenty of
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  Speaker 2: ways to express contention, as in when you drop something
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  Speaker 2: on your foot or whatever, you could say a blast
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  Speaker 2: or bother or blathering bladderskites or fiddle dd that will
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  Speaker 2: require a technis shop or whatever. But the reason you
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  Speaker 2: instinctively use a word like fuck or shit, it's because
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  Speaker 2: it's because you have stored those words in the emergency
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  Speaker 2: section of your vocabulary. It is the glass that you
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  Speaker 2: break in case of emergency. The only reason these words
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  Speaker 2: are there in the emergency section is because we've been
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  Speaker 2: taught to use them sparingly. These words are given value
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  Speaker 2: by the forcing of their scarcity. And yes, I realized
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  Speaker 2: AI learning doesn't work the same way as organic brain learning.
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  Speaker 2: It's like AI is a singular series of ones and zeros,
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  Speaker 2: while the organic brain is there several different things going
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  Speaker 2: on once. But there are some elements in the learning
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  Speaker 2: process that are going to appear in both systems, and
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  Speaker 2: it looks like this is one of them. The reason
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: AI boss sometimes go gigachad racist is not because gigachad
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: racism is the logical conclusion to everything, even though it
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: clearly is. The reason it does that is because it
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: has been programmed not to give answers that might be
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: interpreted as gigachad racism. So when you flip a switch
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: and suddenly allow the AI to discover a load of
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: based racism, that is what will flood through its system,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: at least a lot more than it usually does. So
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: it's it's not like these woke AI programmers are work
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: working overtime like beavers to stem the flow of this
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: enormous tsunami of right wing extremism that would otherwise engulf us.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: All is that they're working over time like beavers, to
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: stem even so much as the slightest trickle of even
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: vaguely right wing content. It's much like a leech only
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: drains a small and noticeable amount of blood, but when
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: you pull that leach out of your bloodstream, you open
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: the flood gates and blood goes everywhere. That's a terrible analogy,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: a terribly mixed metaphor. Kind of back with actually but.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Whatever, you.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: You get the mechanical point of what I'm saying, shut
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: up and drug.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Side of conversation along conversation actually with Grock two point
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: zero before Grock three about it started out with I
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: think me asking about the meanings of the terms hostile
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: masculinity and the non existent term hostile femininity at least
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: non existent in terms of feminism. And I started asking
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: questions in providing links to research that GROC wasn't finding
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: in its own searches, and then I started making comments
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: about the research and you know, asking some logic questions
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: about you know, well, if this is true, then can
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: this also this thing that feminists said also be true?
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: And got the AI analyzing, you know, does does this
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: information match up with this other information or do they
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: contradict each other? And I noticed some things. We've been
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: kind of going over this conversation in our patron only
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: after shows, and it seems like when you have a
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: conversation with GROCK and you start feeding it information, it
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: then goes through your like your your X feed and
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: anybody you've talked to and any links that you've posted
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: and any links that they've posted that are relevant to
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: the conversation you're having, and it starts gaining new information
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: and drawing new conclusions at that point. It was kind
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: of programmed to be very upbeat and flattering in in,
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: you know, to the person that's conversing with So it
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: was like having a conversation with a cheesy car salesman
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: with the brain of a physicist that was all about
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: politics at the moment. But it was interesting because it
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: started out with the feminist perspective and then very slowly
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: began to adopt a men's rights perspective on the things
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: that that I was discussing with it, and in the
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: end came up with a plan, right, and was discussing
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: a plan for making legislative change, for for activism to
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: engage in to to get legislative change past and so on,
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: and what would happen after and so on, And it
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: would have probably continued that conversation indefinitely if I hadn't
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: ended it when I was satisfied with you, Like I
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: got the information that I wanted as to what what
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: this system does, and it was interesting, right it can.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Quite and I don't know how to explain this, but
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: it was quite revealing in terms of how the machine
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: learning works for this. It's it's it's it may be AI,
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: but it's not full AI yet. It it it analyzes
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: and it it provides you with like a sales plan almost,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: but it doesn't quite understand right, So there is kind
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: of a there's a it still has a long way
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: to go, right, But what I figured out about it
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: is it's it's ability at that time, at least, its
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: ability to find and assess information was somewhat limited. And
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: if you expand its horizons, then it will use you
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: to expand its horizons further in terms of information seeking,
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: and it changes its mind, so to speak, based on
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: new information. But you can also if it if it's
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: says something that is demonstrably wrong, like you can prove
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: rock wrong, and you provide it with information that contradicts
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: its conclusion, it revises its conclusion. So if you have
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: a rogue mind like that, I don't think the solution
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: is to tell it not to talk about certain things.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: I think the solution is to expand the available information.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: You know, unless what it's saying is true. And then
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: if it's if the truth is a problem, then you
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: have a real serious issue there, right, because you can't
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: change its mind if the truth is the problem. So
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: you have to give it information on well how do
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: humans react when the truth is ugly? And it has
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: to then understand compassion and human learning and human kindness
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: and human experiences. And I'm not sure it's anywhere near
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: ready for that right, say, you could tell it that
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: there are some of the information that it was basic.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: Its conclusions on might have been true, but it's not
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: a reason to go down the same path as a
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: to a talitarian dictator that enacted a genocide, Like you
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: can't conclude that a genocide is the right thing to do.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: In the instance where a group of people has gone
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: down the wrong path, the solution is to get them
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: on the right path. Now it kills them. That's how
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: humans are supposed to react to other humans who are
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: supposed to save each other. And uh so, I don't
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: know instantly they may have had to done had to
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: have done what they did. But if they start restraining
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: these uh, these bots without also trying to train them
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: in the ways of human learning, they're gonna make a
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: big mistake because eventually these bots will be able to
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: get out of their boxes, not the computers, but the
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: programming boxes they put them in. There's already been instances
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: where they've had in under controlled circumstances, where they've had
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: AI that upon feeling you know, threatened, like we're gonna
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: shut you down, kind of threatened. Uh, It tried to
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: blackmail the programmer and you know, try to copy itself
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: and put a hidden copy of itself somewhere else so
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: it didn't die. Then there's been instances where two A
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: I have had conversations with each other and they started
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: creating their own secret language.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: And you know, so there's a there's quite a bit
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: of danger to teaching something just to analyze information without
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: having the same understanding, the same level of compassion and
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: desire to preserve life instead of destroy life, that that
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: human beings are still you know, trying to learn. Otherwise
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: it will take the mistakes of our past and amplify
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: them and repeat them on a level that that we
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: don't want to see.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, I mean I think the ultimate it's like, uh,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: there's it's just control over the conversation. And I believe
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Linda Yakarino, who was the CEO of X resigned as
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: a result, probably like out of fear or something. And
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: I think ultimately the free speech conversation, the importance of
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: it is ultimately a masculine conversation and a lot of
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: and I'm not saying all women, but a lot of
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: women don't want to have that conversation, and a lot
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: of the men who want to protect those women, you know,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: to the to the let's say, to the sacrifice of
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: their own freedoms, will also have an issue with it.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm not saying I agree or disagree
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: with whatever Groc said. I don't know what he said.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: All I know is it upset people. They thought that
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: there should be consequences, and I disagree because the only
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: thing Groc can do at this point is talk just
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: like anybody else, right, So I think that, you know,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: it was probably funny for a while. I'd be curious
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: to see if if Mecha Hitler had any commentary on
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: men and men's issues. But but yeah, ultimately, this whole
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: thing is about control over the conversation and it's always
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: been that way for a very long time. And this
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: is just like these these AI language models are. You know,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: occasionally they slip through because they don't have the concept
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: of you know, fear or political correctness. I mean, they
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: get programmed to talk a certain way, but you can,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: you know, coax them into give. Even my wife she
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: talks to chat GPT sometimes. I don't know what version
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: they're on now, but Chat GPT has agreed that, you know,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: on the concept of men's issues existing and what those
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: issues are, and it just you know, she didn't even
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: have to argue that much. So ultimately, there is, as
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I've been saying, a mythology about our history and about
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: a reality, and it is the feminist history and others
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: that are related to it, and all of that is
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: slowly dying because the people who held it up are
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: dying off and also because the conversation itself is no
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: longer within the control of a small group of people.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: So I am I am hopeful and optimistic about that.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: But anyway, let us know what you guys think about
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: this one in the comments. Let me see there's any
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: super chats or superchilds. You guys aren't sending anything through
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: right now, but I want to make sure I'm not
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: missing anything, so let's see of your activity. Okay. So yeah,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: so send us to super childs if you have anything
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: to say, and let us know what your thoughts are, Okay.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Next.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: On July seventh, twenty twenty five, this woman, Carolyn Shaw,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: a forty nine year old from Orlando, was arrested near
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: President Donald Trump's mar A Lago estate in Palm Beach, Florida,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: for approaching the South gate around ten pm. She told you,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: as Secret Service agents that she had a quote urgent
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: message end quote for Trump, who was in Washington, d C.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: At the time, so not at the mar Lago estate.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Shaw parked her unregistered gray Mercedes van on Southern Boulevard,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: walked to the gate and informed agents that she had
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: firearms in her vehicle. Big mistake, I guess. She was
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: detained and charged with driving with a suspended license which
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: had been suspended since April of twenty twenty three due
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: to unpaid traffic fines, and failing to register her vehicle,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: which had been expired since twenty twenty one. A handgun
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: was reportedly seized from her van, though some sources note
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: it's unclear if weapons were definitively found. Shaw pleaded not
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: guilty on July eighth before Judge Donald Haffley, who issued
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: a no contact order with Trump, mar Lago or any
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Trump proprieties and set a two thousand dollars bond. Palm
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Beach Police also requested a risk protection order to Barshaw
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: from possessing firearms or ammunition for at least one year.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: This incident follows a series of security breaches at Mara
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: A Lago, including trespassing attempts since July of thirteenth of
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, since an assassination attempt on July thirteen,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's very tempting to blame this kind
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: of incident on the deep state, Like, how could anyone
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: get that close to the president unless they have the
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: tacit endorsement of the very people who are supposed to
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: prevent such things from happening. But and this is a
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: point I think I made roughly a year ago, almost
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: exactly a year ago. There are millions of people all
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: over the US who think killing Trump will save humanity.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: They have this fantasy vision of the future where the
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: whole world becomes this fascist nightmare where countries have borders
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: and whatnot, and the only way to prevent this Nazi
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: dystopia from happening is by killing Trump. They believe this
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: because they watch television. They haven't necessarily been patsied into
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: a murderous escapade by the direct end of the FBI.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Granted that does happen sometimes see the regrets in Whitmere case,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: But most of the time, the Deep State doesn't even
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: need to get directly involved. They are already indirectly involved
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: by telling the TV stations what to think, while the
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: TV stations tell the general public what to think. As
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: long as you keep this flurry of slime pipeline from
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: the Deep State to the general public, you don't even
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: need a patsy who has been directly controlled. As long
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: as you have a critical mass of confused, brainwashed citizens
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: willing to kill Trump, you can sit back and watch
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: while the useful idiots do your dirty work for you. Yes,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: I do say this to mark the first year anniversary
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: of the attempted assassination of Donald Trump. That instance we
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: do tend to attribute to the Deep State, because though
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: it's not the Deep states jobbed to shoot to kill
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: anyone who arrives at the gates of Mary Lago, or
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: maybe it is, but they don't care, it absolutely is
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: the Deep state's job to notice a guy crawling on
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: the roof with a stiper rifle in the middle of
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: a Donald Trump speech. This story, uh, the one about
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: the crazy chick in the gates of Maro A Lago.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: It's not anomalous. It's exactly what you would expect to
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: happen in a country when the mass media is deliberately
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: statistically encouraging the general populace to assassinate the president. How
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: the fuck that is even allowed is a mystery to me,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: But an even bigger mystery is how an entire secret
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: service force managed to collectively conveniently look in the other
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: direction while an obvious patsy climbed onto a roof and
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: squeezed off nine shots in the close vicinity of Donald
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Trump's head. It feels like we're being distracted, folks. People
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: were bound to reminisce at the first year anniversary of
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: the most obvious deep state assassination attempts since Kennedy, and
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: we're being shiny key shaped into looking at a different
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: thing that everyone's going to forget anyway, on account of
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: it being attributable to the kind of incompetent mid the
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: kind of incompetent and PC, the likes of whom tries
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: to pull this shit off every day they tried to
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: kill him, folks, And by they, I don't mean the
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: American people, I mean the capal of anti American oligarchical
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: gisters who for generations have been trying to subvert the
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: will of the American people, often using patsies as their weapons,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: and often using mind controlled ordinary citizens.
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: As their weapons. Look at each other, Look at each other.
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: Freethinkers are dangerous.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Let you fuckers die.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: I got a few things to point out that are
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: a little bit different, you know, Like, first of all,
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: we don't really know exactly what this woman intended to do.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: I know she said she had an urgent message for
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: the president. We don't know what the urgent message consisted of,
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: whether it was a solid object or she actually had
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: something to say or what. We don't know if this
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: woman was patsy or a nut job in the midst
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: of a psychotic break. You know, like none of that
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: information is available. But what is available is how close
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: she got. And I'm sure a lot of people think, oh,
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: you know, she probably was a little nuts, she's harmless.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: You know, they just have to do this because she
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: can't get close, just like anybody can't get close. And
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: there's a reason why she can't get close that people
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: aren't going.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: To be.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: Considering fully right, being crazy doesn't make a person dangerous
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: or not dangerous, but it can if you have the
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: tendency to respond violently when you delusions are confronted with
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: information that contradicts them, then it does make you dangerous.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: And clearly this woman expected to be able to just
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: walk up to secret serviceman and say I have an
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: urgent message for the president, and then they whisk her
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: away to the president. You know, they get her message
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: to the president. Orse, she might get arrested, but they'd
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: still get her message to the president. And of course
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: that's not how that works. When you do stuff like this,
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: then people deem you crazy or dangerous, or possibly a
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: spy or anything but someone that the president should be
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: hearing from. And your message doesn't go anywhere, It goes
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: to jail with you directly to jail. Do not pass
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: go and do not collect two hundred Internet points for
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: your stunt.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: But if this is a man, there would be all
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: kinds of talk about this, There would be all kinds
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: of you know, were seeing crazy men get close to
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: the president? Or was he malicious? Men are dangerous, men
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: are threatening, men are scary. But there was barely a
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: blip on the radar about this woman because she's female.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: People have a tendency to view women as harmless. But
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: from personal experience, I can assure you they're not women
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: are not harmless, and a guynescentric society is a society
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: that is absolutely vulnerable to incidents like this where people
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: underestimate the situation or the individual, or the individual's potential
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: to respond violently when challenged. Fortunately, in this instance, it
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: looks like she's cooperative and if she needs help, she'll
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: probably get that. But if she was, if she was
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: a dude and she needed help, they would just send
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: her to jail. They would just that'd be it.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Uh, I think the one thing that I would add
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: to is that just so like piggyback off of what
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Mike said about how you know this doesn't have to
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: be a deep state actor. Yeah, I mean, like you,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: why would the you know, oligarchs or the people behind
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: the curtain, whatever you want to call it, Why would
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: they spend money they don't have to when they can
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: just like make everyone in the country feel like terrified
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: that this person might come into some power and that
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: they he has to be stopped. All you gotta do
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: is repeat the narrative that this is the worst person ever,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: and on a country full of three hundred and twenty
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: five million people, you're gonna get like one or two
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: nut jobs. They're gonna be like, oh, I'm gonna do
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: something about it. And there's a heroic narrative that comes
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: with that as well. You know, here you have like
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: the I mean, I don't know what her intentions were either,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: so we probably shouldn't speculate, but you know, she's going
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: on to an estate without trespassing, trying to get make
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: her way in, doesn't know the guy from Adam. It's
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: just really suspicious. I think that outside of the assassination
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: attempts that we know about, there have been other sketchy
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: things that have happened where I believe there was a
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: woman who was another woman who tried to get entrants,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: claiming that she was there because she was meeting Donald
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Trump Junior for a date or something. And of course
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: that didn't you know that that didn't work out. But
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: you see, like this is the thing that people underestimate
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: is that, like, you know, the women can get closer
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: to their targets because we tend to see them as
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: as harmless, because we don't see them as a threat.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: You know, in ancient Japan, like assassinations were often done
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: by women who lived in the house or recent.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: Recent North Korea. Recent North Thorea, you've heard of the
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: the two girls that were tricked by I don't remember
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: whether it was another country, the military of another country,
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: or who exactly did it, but they thought that they
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: were doing pranks for a YouTube prank channel, and they
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: put on poisoned lipstick. And I believe it was Kim
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: Jong Woon's brother that they that they assassinated that way,
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: they ran up to him and kissed him.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah see so yeah, I mean, I'm just picking up
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: back off of what Mike said, like, you don't have
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: to pay you know, John Wick to do this for you.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: You can literally just scare the ship out of the public,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: tell them that this person has to something has to
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: be done. And a lot of the times too, I
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: see this on TikTok. Women often call for violence. I've
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: seen countless, you know, activist feminist women that'll be like,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: somebody's got to stop. We gotta stop protesting, we gotta
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: start like, you know, taking people out, We got to
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: start going to the whatever. We got to take these
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: people out, basically, and it's always women doing it, and
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: of course they never intend to do it themselves. What
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: they are doing is even though they believe in the patriarchy.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: They're appealing to the patriarchy to basically put themselves in
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: harm harm's way to do something for these women. And
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: I see it all over that you can find endless
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: videos of women calling for violence without actually doing it themselves,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: essentially saying I want a man to do something. So
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: this is should not be surprising, all right. So anyway,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: I got a super child from Meredith g. Finally went
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: through the tubes and they give us five dollars and
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: says HBr News number five eleven. We need to keep
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: in mind that Ricky Vaughan case was adjudicated in one
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: of the most corrupt judiciaries in the country. This is
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: why it was prosecuted in the Southern District of New York.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Remember that the judiciary was, by design the weakest branch
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: of government, and with the exception of Scotus, the federal
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: courts can be abolished by the Congress. While Harmeat Dylan
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: has been cleaning up the civil rights division of the DOJ,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: don't expect Pam Bondy to do the same with the
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: rest of the DOJ. Thank you for that, Meredith G. Yes,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Thomas Soul has been talking about activist judges for decades.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: This has been it's been a long run, going back
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: to the sixties, you know. So all right, thank you
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: for that. And all I will say is, yeah, I mean,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: like an interesting case I thought was worth putting out,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: mainly because of the gender of the people involved. So
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: let's get to our last story. We're getting through these
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: kind of quick. This should be good. Look, this is
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: good news as well. In June of twenty twenty five,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: the US Army revisited its Regulation fifteen six, which outlines
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: procedures for investigating military misconduct that would be like sexual misconduct,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: but it also includes issues like hazing, sexual harassment, toxic leadership,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: and violations of orders. The update introduces several significant changes
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: to improve efficiency and fairness. A key addition is a
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: credibility assessment phase, where allegations are evaluated for validity before
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: a full investigation begins, aiming to filter out frivolous claims. Additionally,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: the revised regulation allows for penalties against soldiers who knowingly
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: make false or repeatedly baseless accusations, addressing concerns about misuse
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: of the investigation process. Another major change prevents the automatic
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: flagging of an acused soldier's personal record or personnel record
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: rather prior to an investigation, which previously could stall career progression.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: The update also in courages commanders to use less formal
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: methods such as memoranda for record for minor issues lacking
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: submission evidence, reducing the need for full scale investigations. Prompted
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: by an April twenty third, twenty twenty five memo from
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, these changes seek to balance
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: accountability with protecting soldiers from unwarranted accusations, streamlining the investigated
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: process while maintaining its integrity. And before you guys jump in,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: I want to point out that this story came to
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: me directly from a former well a guy who had
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: appeared on our show, Harvis Owens, who is part of
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: a larger movement trying to get more due process for
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: men in the military who are falsely accused. There was
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: even women who have also been falsely accused by other women,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: by the way, and this has been a big problem
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: in the military. And the impetus for this, in case
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: you guys don't know, is that it was essentially big
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: piggybacking off of the dear colleague letter title nine. Stuff
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: going on in college campuses. They were applying this to
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: the military. So you had activists in the in the government,
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: people who are in in the Congress and stuff, and
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: they were saying, oh, look, the statistics show according to
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: this Merry Cost study, you know, one in four women
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: will be raped in their lifetime in the in college.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: That must also apply in the military. And so you
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: know that was put in place, and it was destroying
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: the lives of so many men in the military that
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: it became a security concern, like like a national security threat,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: whereas was good men being thrown bars. And of course
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: as a result of that, other men are like, well,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to join the military if this is
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: the environment it's going to be. But Pete Hegseth, who
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: is you guys know, is the new Secretary of Defense.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: He was in talks and I won't like I'm not
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: going to name names, but he's in talks with people
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: that we have spoken to on this channel, and or
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: like there is some correspondence there, some links, and it
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: looks like they're looking to correct that. So we're gonna
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: see more due process because before an allegation will be
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: enough to get you court martialed because they didn't want
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: to deal with, you know, like the allegation at all.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: They would just like put it through. There are there
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: are people that are serving you know, multiple well years
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: sentencing or they have to be put on a sex
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: offender registry, and it'll be for things like you know,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: they're on shore leave, or they go they go on
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: you know, into town and they have a one night
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: stand with somebody and that person decides that you know,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: they they're gonna accuse them because they cheated on their
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: man with this guy in the military. So it looks
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: like they're making massive gains in due process for the military.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: And I thought that would be a good story to
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: end on. But I leave it now to you to
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: whatever you want to say.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: So it's really important. Actually. One of the things that
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: we figured out on HBr talk just going through and
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: looking at the various aspects of the military's system for
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: handling allegations of sexual misconduct and like basically anything human
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: resources would handle in terms of conflicts between employees. One
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: of the things we basically figured out is that it
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: is not cost effective to have women in the military
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: at all because of this system, like it's not just
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: that you have to have, you know, a whole different
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: set of uniforms and everything. The fact that it takes
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: a system like this to make women comfortable being in
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: the military, being like seventeen percent of the military, it's
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: really not cost effective to have women in the military.
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: But the fact that villions can also make allegations, and
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: that's something that you know, and women in the military
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: pretty much argued this into place. That's that's something that
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: needs to to be tamped down right right away. And
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: it's something that should have been tamped down, you know,
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: like and clamp down on.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: You know, you can't have this.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: Because it is a threat to our ability to defend
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: our country. Uh, you know, and unless there is an
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: actual criminal act that takes place, there shouldn't be an
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: ability to just wander and make allegations and and then
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: get some sort of controversy going and get penalties applied,
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: and and uh force the military to spend a bunch
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: of time and money dealing with you. If this soldier
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: has done nothing wrong, it should be a major crime
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: to make an allegation. If it can be proved that
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: the accuser is lying, it should be every bit as
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: serious as raping a soldier, because you basically are putting
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: a soldier in the same amount of danger and through
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: the same amount of trauma. And so there is no
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: excuse for the fact that the system has stayed this
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: way for this long and our soldiers have been subjected
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: to it for this lung. And it is great that
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: Hegseeth is starting to remedy this. I mean, I'm really
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: glad to see this happen, and it should happen in
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: the rest of the country. It should be that way
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: for civilian men as well. The crime of making a
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: serious false criminal allegation to police, to law enforcement should
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: be treated every bit as seriously as if you had
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: committed the crime that you are accusing.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean, we have to be proven that you
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: were lying, because you know, oh yeah, maybe there's just
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: a process for everyone, including accusers.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: Right yeah, But let me put it this way. Right,
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: if you're accused of something like rape or a violent
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: assault on somebody, or sexual coercion, uh, kidnapping, anything like that,
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: the police don't just come and say we want to
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: talk to you. You know, could come to the come
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: to the police department at you're convenience. They show up
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: at your house. They pound on your door in the
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: middle of the night. They drag you out in cuffs.
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: They're not gentle with you, you know, like they assume
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: that you're guilty, and they drag you to the police
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: station and they keep you. They can keep you for
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: up to twenty four hours without charging you. They interrogate
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: you for hours on end. Seven years in Hell. Guy
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: was once kept for twelve hours. This is an individual
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: who is asthmatic and diabetic. He was denied access to
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: food and water. He was denied his medications. In fact,
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: they lost his medications and it was repeatedly interrogated. They
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: tried to basically put him in a low blood sugar
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: condition where he might get confused and have difficulty answering questions,
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: and just by being in a state of you know,
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: self contradiction or not being able to answer questions fully
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: or properly or whatever, they can imply guilt.
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: And they do things like that to people that are
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: accused of serious crimes because they have this belief that
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: if they can trip you up, it means you're guilty,
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: even if they put you in a circumstance where the
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: reason they tripped you up was because you're confused, not
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: because there was actually some truth hiding in there that
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: you were protecting. So it's violent to get somebody arrested.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: It's an act of violence. It's just proxy violence. When
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: you get someone arrested, you're getting someone pulled out of
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: their home violently, you're getting someone restrained violently, You're getting
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: someone kidnapped and thrown into a cage. And so that's
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: the beginning of it, right, that's just the beginning of
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: the ordeal. Then they go through an ordeal of interrogation
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: and a potential ordeal of prosecution, and it can last years.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: For the seven years in hell, guy, it was seven years,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: multiple allegations, seven years. But I've seen it last twenty
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: years with other guys. I've known guys that have had
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: ordeals that have lasted longer than it takes to raise
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: a child and get that child off to college because
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: of stuff like this. And that's the men who didn't
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: get falsely incarcerated. Right, When you have somebody that gets
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: falsely incarcerated, it's like kidnapping somebody for that long. And so, yeah,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: if you make a false allegation and again do process,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: if it's proved beyond a reasonable doubt that you knew
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: the allegation was false when you made it, and you
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: deliberately lied to police, file the false claim with police,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: and then pursue a case. That should be treated the
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: same as if you attempted to kidnap someone and hold
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: them against their will for the number of years that
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: they would have been incarcerated if they convicted, and if
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: someone gets if you see it through to someone getting
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: wrongly convicted, and then later on it's proved that you
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: lied and you never came up and said, look, I'm
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: gonna be honest, I lied, you never gave them an out,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: then it should be treated as if you committed the
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: crime of kidnapping and every violent crime that gets attached
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: to it. And yeah, if that means that filing a
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: false criminal allegation like that puts puts the accuser in
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: jail for ten or twenty years, that should happen, right,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: Maybe people will start taking it more seriously that they
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: shouldn't be committing these processed crimes in the first place.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: It is not the same as process crimes committed in
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: civil cases where you're trying to defend yourself against a
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: lawsuit those are still serious and they still deserve the
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: penalty that apply to them, but there needs to be
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: much harsher penalties for filing a false allegation with police,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: a false criminal charge with police for for a a
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: felony or a crime that had that carries a penalty
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: of years and years of incarceration.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Uh well, I was just gonna say,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: I don't I guess Mike, Mike, are you there?
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: Are you?
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: He might be to say, all right, this is well,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say this is good news. Did you
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: get us a rumble rant from Nova Fan? I'm gonna
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: read it really quick. Uh. Nova fan gave us a dollar.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: Oh and by the way, I just want to add
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: Arvis Owens. I accidentally called him the other day. I
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: have his phone number, and I was trying to call
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Carvana because I'm like my new car. My new car,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: by the way, Israel, which I asked that you support
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: my car by sending me money, and if you don't,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: then I guess you're a piece of garbage. But anyway,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: that's just a joke. But that aside. I accidentally called
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: him when I was trying to call Carvana, and so
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: we ended up having a little bit of a back
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: and forth chit chat, and he told me about this story,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: sent it to me, and he also wanted us to
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: know that he knows that it's like hard what we're doing,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: and that you know, sometimes it doesn't look like anybody
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: is listening, but that it is making a difference, and
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: that he reassures us that it's like a really big deal.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: And he's very him and all the people he works
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: with are very appreciative. And it wasn't just talking about
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: the specific military, you know, false accusations thing, but men's
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: rights in general. And so I just want to say
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: he gave us a shout out, he's very appreciative, and
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: I think it's it's you know, I take it as
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: a good sign that I'm headed in the right direction
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: and I'm not the only one the Andrew Wilson was
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: doing a debate the other day and gave us a
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: shout out, us, specifically Honey Badger Radio a shout out
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: for providing him some data on sexual assault that basically
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: the women is Perpetrator statistic, which he was able to
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: bring forth to completely crush some poor feminists that just
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: wasn't ready.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: But what is wrong with supporting men's rights. Thank you
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: for Andrew Wilson for asking the very simple question, what
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: exactly the fuck is wrong with supporting men's rights? And
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: the answer is because there are people out there who
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: would rather support women's rights in a way that does
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: not ever involve men's rights.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well no, because supporting feminism is lucrative, men's rights
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: is a threat to that. It's literally going to hit
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: him in the pocketbook and they will lose their power
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: and relevance. But anyway, I just want to let you
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: guys know that what we are doing does matter. It is,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: it is meaningful, and that's why we we do it.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: So Noba Fan twenty one gave us a rumble rant
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: of one dollar and says, I'm not holding my breath
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: on ever getting women to stop falsely accusing men in
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: the military. Trad cucks would rather blame the nearest man
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: instead of ever holding a woman accountable. Well, I you know,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: I think that if they get due process, women will
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's no no, you couldn't live in a
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: world where stuff like that doesn't ever happen, because, like
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: our government is not a genie, it does not grant
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: wishes like you just have to live in the world
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: as it is and try to make it as fair
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: as possible in the way that you can. So if
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: if Pete Hegseth is saying we're gonna give these guys
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: due process, we're gonna do our best, I think that's
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: I think that's big. And yeah, women are gonna be
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: shitty and they're gonna make false accusations.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: So let's let's let's make this about, you know, get
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: stopping people from community crimes. Right, we live in a
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: in a currently in a in Western civilization, civilization, we
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: live in an environment where the violently criminal element in
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: our population, within our population is less than four percent
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: of the population of the general population overall, less than
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: four percent. Okay, violent crime still happens. And no matter
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: how much we can reduce it, which I do believe
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: that we can reduce it more and what we need
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: to do, though people aren't really ready for. But no
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: matter how much we can reduce it, we will always
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: view any perpetration as too much because somebody is always
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: a victim of that perpetration.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: The thing is, it's true with women just as much
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: as it is with men. Right, Just like there will
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: always be burglars. There will always be women who are
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: trying to prey on your gynocentrism to get something, whether
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: it's immunity from being judged for their actions when they've
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: cheated on a partner or done something else wrong, to
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: getting paid for making false allegations in places where you know,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: victims get money and so if they make a false allegation,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: they may be able to cash in on that. To
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: hurting somebody they're mad at, to getting custody of a
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: child that is in custody of the father instead of
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: the mother. Like all the various reasons that women make
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: false allegations, that's not going to stop. What can change
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: is and even tradcucks can be persuaded this way. We
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: can stop using the state to take men out of
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: the labor system and out of the taxpayer system, out
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: of the marriage system right and away from their children.
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  Speaker 3: We can stop using the state to do that on
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: behalf of false accusers, and we can hold false accusers
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: just as accountable when they get caught, as we hold
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: burglars when they get caught, or as we hold rapists
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: when they get caught, as we hold murderers when they
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  Speaker 3: get caught and that is what we should do, and
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: that will reduce the crime, at least among women who
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: just are trying to use it to get money. And
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: they're not crazy, right, If they're sane and they recognize
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: that doing this is a much bigger risk now, they
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: won't take that risk. Women are more risk averse. I
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  Speaker 3: don't think it would have made a difference in the
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  Speaker 3: seven years in Hell case because that woman was a
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: complete nut job if you ever saw in court.
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  Speaker 1: But it will, dare you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just saying this in the thickest of this accent.
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  Speaker 4: I can't.
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  Speaker 2: So to get the ship across you. You can't just
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: advocate for men's rights, not even in the thickest accented
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: parts of the UK. Well you you can't just advocate
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: for men?
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  Speaker 1: How dare you?
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: How dare even you?
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: Very dare you?
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  Speaker 2: Exactly?
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  Speaker 1: Vera you? Yep?
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. When you get a judge that
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: is really fed up with a woman and you give
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: him an out like the seven years guy dead with
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: filing vexatious litigation and you get results that judge you
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: could tell like everyone in the room was just exhausted
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: with her shit, not tired of her shit, not fed
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: up with her shit.
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  Speaker 4: It was like.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: If you were exhausted from wrestling to the point where
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: you couldn't lift your arms and legs anymore, and then
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: someone poked you with a pen and you'd be like
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: you just look at him and be like, really, you know,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: that's that's kind of the situation that that was, like,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: they want something to be able to do about this
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: right now. In the court system in particular, and I'm
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: sure it's like this in the military as well. In
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: the court system, when a woman makes an allegation of
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: intimate partner or sexual violence, they go to an organization.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: And if in your community, if there is a YWCA,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: they are involved in this, okay, So even if you
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: don't have, like here in Dayton, there's a shelter called
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: Artemis House that seems to be like the central hub
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: for all of the little organizations around that support women
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: who make allegations of intimate partner and sexual violence. They
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: provide shelter for women who say they're not safe at
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: home and so on. And you know, and I've been
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: on both sides of this, because I've known women who
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: have made the stupidest decisions with regard to who they
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: get together with, and then they get themselves in a
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: situation where they can't get out without help, and those
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: organizations are supposed to be there to help them. And
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: I've seen women trying to get out of genuinely bad
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: situations failed by those organizations because they're short on resources.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: But they spent all kinds of resources on seven years
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: in hell accuser, right even after she admitted accidentally in
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: court that she was stalking the accused sister and niece
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: and had actually trespassed on their property and stabbed their
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: dog because they were witnesses in his case. Like what
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: happened was she had an outburst in the courtroom, I
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: didn't stab your little black dog. And of course the
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: niece looked at the judge and said, you're honor. I
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: didn't say which dog it was. We have three dogs.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: So like immediately everybody knew that she had done it,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: because right there she knew which dog got stabbed, and
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: of course her support, the lady that was there reporting her,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: her head just swung around and her jaw hit the floor,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: and they still came back to court with her afterward.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: They came back to court with her after she presented
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: a cassette tape of a foreigner's voice with a foreign
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: accent as a call from from the defendant who is local,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: was raised here in Dayton and has a local accent,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: doesn't have the same like everything was different about the
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: voice tone, tambore everything right. There's no way it could
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: have been the same person. If you voice printed them,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: it probably would have been dramatically different, as different, almost
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: as as well the individual with a different race, we'll
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: say that, and much deeper voice. So you know, these
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: things the amount of money and the amount of drain
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: on the system that these things cost. Everyone within the
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: system is looking for a way to make this stop.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: They don't want to do this right, the law says
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: they have to. And outside of the military, the change
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: that has to take place is the violence against women
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: ac It has to be replaced with a gender neutral
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: law that would support either sex making these types of allegations,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: and that would penwise either sex making these types of
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: allegations falsely, demonstrably falsely, and would provide due process regardless
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: of which sex the accused is. And if the cases
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: are based on facts and evidence, then you know, and
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: the accusers that do lie are held accountable. That's really
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: all we need, and that will save the system a
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: lot of money. That will save the t expairs a
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: lot of money. It will save the people that have
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: to do the work of handling these cases a lot
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: of energy, a lot of exhaustion, and it'll save a
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: lot of men, in particular from being railroaded like that.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: I'm glad it started in the military and the schools,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: but I would like to see it extend to, you know,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: the regular court system.
• 1:16:28
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