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Episode 64: Grappalachia Director Troy Rankin Interview and AEW Worlds End Predictions! · WCHS Network Podcasts

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  Speaker 1: Say, are you ready r s oh yeah, Jeffy like
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  Speaker 1: wheel clever of o'clock. I got one hundred and forty
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  Speaker 1: one and two throws chance winning, but brought out. I
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  Speaker 1: am bad and ain't know I'm bad.
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  Speaker 2: I'm an peggy out.
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  Speaker 1: It's the paving a dollar to speak this.
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  Speaker 3: Out, shelter coach, well cousin to the grill out from
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  Speaker 3: the heart.
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  Speaker 4: That's Hilliam, West Virginia.
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  Speaker 3: Here's your host, Hollywood Chef Petty.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome, headies, gentlemen, back to the grill Out. I'm your host, Hollywood,
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Haddy, Episode sixty four. That's what we're on, episode
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  Speaker 1: sixty four. I believe, yes, yeah, yeah, we got. We
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  Speaker 1: don't have Jason entirely in front of a mike. But
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  Speaker 1: that's okay, Josh Cole, Yeah, one of the co hosts,
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  Speaker 1: Jason linkins the current reigning.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's not good that you don't have me in
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  Speaker 3: front of a microphone. What the viewers and listeners want
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  Speaker 3: to hear is the sweet, soothing tones of the reflection
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  Speaker 3: of perfection.
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  Speaker 1: More like deception. But okay, all right, We've been talking
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  Speaker 1: about this a little bit about our upcoming interview, and
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  Speaker 1: one thing that we love to talk about on this
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  Speaker 1: program is the history of professional wrestling, especially when that
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  Speaker 1: history makes its way to the Mountain State. Grappalachia is
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  Speaker 1: a highly anticipated documentary from West Virginia Public Broadcasting that
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  Speaker 1: is quote a love letter to wrestling in Appalachia end quote,
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  Speaker 1: according to Casey King, Troy Rankin is the director and
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  Speaker 1: producer of the upcoming documentary coming out on December thirtieth,
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  Speaker 1: and he's joining us. Now, how are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing all right? How you doing?
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  Speaker 1: Trying to stay warm?
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  Speaker 2: It is miserably cold outside, and I'm glad we're just
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  Speaker 2: doing this on the inside. Honestly, I'm glad this isn't
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  Speaker 2: like an outdoor thing.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, no, no, listen, I'm a fat guy,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't I'm not. Don't you don't say there's
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  Speaker 1: a reason why I'm on radio. So but yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: there's no reason to do that outside. And it's just
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  Speaker 1: way too cold right now. But anyway, I want to
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and jump right into this with Grapple at
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  Speaker 1: you and just start from the beginning and like how
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  Speaker 1: did this come about?
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  Speaker 2: Like, well, I am not originally from West Virginia. I'm
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  Speaker 2: from Colorado, and I moved to about five years ago,
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  Speaker 2: and as I've made friends through the years, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in Colorado, like wrestling was my dirty little secret. Pro
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  Speaker 2: wrestling was like nobody. They're like you still watch that, dude.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I.
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  Speaker 4: Goes so.
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  Speaker 2: And I got here and immediately my girlfriend at the
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  Speaker 2: time now wife introduced me to people who like the
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  Speaker 2: first aw that was here. They were like, we got tickets,
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  Speaker 2: We're going. And I didn't get to go to that.
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  Speaker 2: I was elsewhere, but I was like, oh, these people
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  Speaker 2: are these people love it here. And so then I
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  Speaker 2: made friends with those those people and they took me
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  Speaker 2: to the first indie show down in Kanall City at
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  Speaker 2: Pro Wrestling Conquest, and uh, I'm sitting there and I'm
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  Speaker 2: watching this guy, Jock Samson, and he's healing it up
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  Speaker 2: and he's like, honestly one of the best like indie
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  Speaker 2: heels I think I've ever seen. He's just sitting there.
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  Speaker 2: He's just trash in West virgin He's like West Virginia,
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  Speaker 2: U hill Billy's you rednecks, this and that and the other. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he just eating it up. Can I how
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  Speaker 2: what what kind of language can I use on this?
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  Speaker 1: I will say this is uh FCCA regulated, because this
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  Speaker 1: will go out Monday at one o three on WSWW
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  Speaker 1: and then it will be so we'll go out tomorrow
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  Speaker 1: We're when whatever time you're listening to this, and then
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  Speaker 1: tomorrow night at seven o three will be on w
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  Speaker 1: c HS.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, well then I'll I will take some less
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  Speaker 2: full things that were said.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been the Pro Wrestling Conquest show, so I
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  Speaker 1: could imagine.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, as you as you know, it's a little
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  Speaker 2: it's a little more adult friendly. And I look and
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  Speaker 2: I'm kind of looking around, taking the crowd and seeing
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  Speaker 2: what's going on, because you know, loli inde crowds are
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  Speaker 2: you know, Smarky and h. I see this older woman.
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  Speaker 2: I look up and she's just flipping this guy at
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  Speaker 2: the bird yelling f you as loud as she can.
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  Speaker 2: She's like, go back to a hi, you piece of
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  Speaker 2: try like you piecea in trash. And I was like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my god, they love it, Like what is this?
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  Speaker 2: What is this like? Buy in? And so from there,
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  Speaker 2: my step kid's dad is a wrestler, and I talked
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  Speaker 2: to him about it and he got me in with
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  Speaker 2: Gary Damren with All Star Wrestling and we had a
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  Speaker 2: little meeting and then it was just kind of it
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  Speaker 2: just kind of snowball from there, and then I just
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  Speaker 2: a million interviews later and a bunch of beer roll later,
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  Speaker 2: and now I've got twenty six short documentary.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, Okay, see, like, yeah, those pro wrestling Conquest
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  Speaker 1: shows can get a little rowdy. They're very much more indie,
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  Speaker 1: more of an indie field. And also I know what
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  Speaker 1: you're talking about because just this year at Regatta Pro,
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  Speaker 1: I was talking to one of the vendors there and
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  Speaker 1: the lady is from she was from Florida, and she
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  Speaker 1: was like, I have never seen this, Like people are
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  Speaker 1: having so much fun around here, and she's like, we
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  Speaker 1: don't have this down in Florida. I'm like, really, of
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  Speaker 1: all places, you guys don't have it there. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm not sure exactly, but yeah, I one thing
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  Speaker 1: that I have heard, did you did you get a
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  Speaker 1: chance to talk with Adam Harris? I did, Well, he's
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  Speaker 1: my coworker, so oh okay, okay, So one thing I've
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  Speaker 1: heard Adam say is that, like Charleston is a wrestling town,
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  Speaker 1: West Virginia is a wrestling town. I'm sure you've since
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  Speaker 1: it's your coworker. You've heard him say the same thing
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  Speaker 1: many times. So with this documentary that that's basically what
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  Speaker 1: this is showing is like, hey, this is this is
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  Speaker 1: it's bigger here than people realize.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, I did, not, Like I was all
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  Speaker 2: the way down in Madison, you know, not all the
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  Speaker 2: way down It's it's just an hour drive. But like
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  Speaker 2: going to see All Star Wrestling, and like on a
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  Speaker 2: Saturday night in the middle of the summer, they packed
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  Speaker 2: the auditorium out with like two hundre three hundred people
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  Speaker 2: to just go see you know, the local indie guys.
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  Speaker 2: And so I mean there's there's something else to it.
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  Speaker 2: And like through the interviews, I found like people just
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's been on TV. It was on TV
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  Speaker 2: every Saturday and then, and people just kind of it's
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  Speaker 2: like deep within the like in the DNA of this place,
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  Speaker 2: I think, and like as I as I've like lived
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  Speaker 2: here and learned to like, I don't know, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: I've not learned to love I love it here, don't
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  Speaker 2: don't get me wrong. As I've like learned to like
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  Speaker 2: see how apple Achian things are, and like I I see,
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  Speaker 2: I see how a lot of wrestling is like totally
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  Speaker 2: into how how wrestling could like permeate its way through
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  Speaker 2: and like stick through this entire time. O.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it is. Uh, it's it's more ingrained
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  Speaker 1: in the culture around here than people realize. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and actually I'm wonna go hand Tall Snover.
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  Speaker 5: So you mentioned All Star Wrestling. Did you talk to
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  Speaker 5: like any other promotions.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't. I had a bit of some budgetary issues.
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  Speaker 2: So initially the goal was to like go up and
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  Speaker 2: down Appalachia yea, yeah, and like you know, just start
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  Speaker 2: as far south as I can go, as far north
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  Speaker 2: as I could go, and then they were like, no,
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  Speaker 2: no real travel, so I kind of could only kind
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  Speaker 2: of stick to Charleston and Madison and I probably could
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  Speaker 2: have gone up to Parkersburg, but at that point, like
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  Speaker 2: things were spiling out of control in terms of like producing,
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  Speaker 2: so I just kind of got yeah, because I.
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  Speaker 5: Know West Virginia has like nearly thirty promotions, maybe some
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  Speaker 5: we don't even know about, so I just kind of
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  Speaker 5: curious about that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course I would love to have given everybody,
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  Speaker 2: Yeah there they are due time, but you know, it
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  Speaker 2: just I only had twenty six minutes and you know,
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  Speaker 2: I could have talked to every I could have talked
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  Speaker 2: to everybody that hit a ring, and you know there
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  Speaker 2: was a manager or this or that, and I just
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  Speaker 2: I had to like condense it down and just make it,
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  Speaker 2: you know, kind of followed.
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  Speaker 5: How much did you actually record? I had to cut down.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I have I was trying to count
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  Speaker 2: the other day. I think I have like fifteen interviews.
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  Speaker 2: And then I went to nine or ten shows where
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  Speaker 2: I where I was just shouldered up the entire shoulder
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  Speaker 2: up with the camera. Sorry, I forget, this is not
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  Speaker 2: It's okay this radio lan yeah. Yeah, and I'm using
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  Speaker 2: jargon so it's even better. And so I recorded a
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  Speaker 2: lot of things and then I recognized that, like I
• 8:25
  Speaker 2: needed some more help, so I had other guys. So
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  Speaker 2: it's like I had got one hundred and fifty hours
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  Speaker 2: maybe worth stuff. Yeah wow, And like I I probably
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  Speaker 2: could have made it longer. But then there's a lot more.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing this all like I have the help of
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  Speaker 2: my the staff that I'm with, but like a lot
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  Speaker 2: of these documentaries that we make are just kind of
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  Speaker 2: solo projects.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, so what what challenges did you face during
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  Speaker 3: the production, you know, like promotional issues, wrestling issues, equipment issues.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, well, the biggest thing is getting wrestlers to come
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  Speaker 2: to an interview, booking their time because they these guys
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  Speaker 2: and girls, they have nine to five jobs and so
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  Speaker 2: they're only really doing this on the weekend, and so
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  Speaker 2: they're only like unless unless they've like committed themselves to wrestling.
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  Speaker 2: But a lot of a lot of the guys and
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  Speaker 2: guys I talked to were they were like, I would
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  Speaker 2: go days without hearing back from somebody, and it was
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  Speaker 2: kind of it was a little frustrating when trying to
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  Speaker 2: book something, as you guys know if you probably you know,
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  Speaker 2: you guys produce a show and it's just and it's like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna be there, You're gonna what's going on?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we we had one interview earlier this year and
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  Speaker 1: Josh and I were talking about Earli. I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 1: say who who it is on the air, and I
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  Speaker 1: take full responsibility. Yeah it fell through. I was, uh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I kind of it did not line up everybody's schedules,
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  Speaker 1: and it just a whole interview itself filter. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I completely understand the frustrating Thanks Jason. It was we
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  Speaker 1: had we were supposed to.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's a yeah. But but but you know that's
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  Speaker 2: that's also like I have, I have parameters I have
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  Speaker 2: to work around too, because I can only work nine
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  Speaker 2: to five, So it's not like a traditional TV production
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  Speaker 2: job where I would say, you know, if they if
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  Speaker 2: they're only available at a certain amount of time at
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  Speaker 2: a certain time, then I can go book that. And
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  Speaker 2: I've got to work within the parameters of my job too,
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  Speaker 2: which was also difficult. But other than that, like talking
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  Speaker 2: to him and like I you know, I'm I'm a
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  Speaker 2: big of a dork as they are when they're when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to wrestling, so like it was just easy conversations,
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  Speaker 2: Like it was just good. And then I had another
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  Speaker 2: coworker who loves wrestling, so he like came along and
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  Speaker 2: did all the audio recording. It was it was like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I I've worked on harder things, but
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  Speaker 2: this one seemed like knocking on the hardest thing was
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  Speaker 2: they edit and booking people.
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  Speaker 1: But I was gonna say, is it because like where
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  Speaker 1: you have such a passion for professional wrestling, it was
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  Speaker 1: just you know, sort of easier to produce something.
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  Speaker 2: Like this, Like yeah, I think so. I think I
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  Speaker 2: think having a passion project and having.
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  Speaker 1: A be which is basically what this show is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and having it having it just kind of
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, yeah, just letting few and letting and
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  Speaker 2: having you know, your bosses go yeah, go go have
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  Speaker 2: fun with them, you know, don't spend too much money
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  Speaker 2: and actually don't spend a whole lot. I don't spend
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  Speaker 2: any money if you can, and then go make make
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  Speaker 2: whatever you want. And I was like that, that's fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Director producer for grap Elaboratory Rankin is joining us right now.
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  Speaker 3: You mentioned that it's a passion project. So what is
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  Speaker 3: your hopeful biggest takeaway that the audience gets from grap Aalacha.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of want I don't know, I I you know,
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  Speaker 2: that's a great question. I have not thought about long
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  Speaker 2: term about what they should take on. I hope hopefully
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  Speaker 2: I have like simplified wrestling to a way where people
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  Speaker 2: can kind of understand it. I mean, it's that's there's
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  Speaker 2: so much. There's so much that you'll never like unless
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  Speaker 2: you dive in, you know, with both feet, and uh.
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  Speaker 2: But I think I think hopefully I want them to
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  Speaker 2: take away that like there are. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: talents here in West Virginia, and there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: talented wrestlers here in West Virginia, and it would be
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  Speaker 2: a shame if these bigger promotions kind of overlook that.
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  Speaker 1: Was there any like moments during filming that surprised you
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  Speaker 1: or changed your perspective on anything, or may have caught
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  Speaker 1: you off guard a little bit?
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  Speaker 2: Not honestly, No, not really. Maybe maybe it's just I
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  Speaker 2: have spent a little bit about I'm gonna bore you
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  Speaker 2: with my background for one second. I worked I worked
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  Speaker 2: in reality TV for like twelve or thirteen years before
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  Speaker 2: I got this job at Public Broadcasting. So like, there's
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  Speaker 2: not a lot that like shocks me.
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  Speaker 1: Well coming from that field, I could, I could understand.
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  Speaker 2: And so like I didn't get I didn't see like
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  Speaker 2: the I didn't get into like the nitty gritty of things.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't like I did. I wasn't trying
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  Speaker 2: to like drill down deep and you know, see like
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  Speaker 2: who these people are. I mean, that's not let me
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  Speaker 2: rephrase that. I wasn't like it wasn't trying to be
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  Speaker 2: like an expos a or anything. This is like a
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  Speaker 2: love letter right, like Casey Skink said, it's a love
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  Speaker 2: letter and like while while there was a CD nder
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  Speaker 2: side of wrestling, like I didn't see any of that,
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's also like an attribute to like
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  Speaker 2: modern day wrestling and how that Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I was, I was gonna say yeah with with like
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  Speaker 1: the I guess the back scenes dirt sheet type stuff
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  Speaker 1: has sort of tainted some of the images of wrestling,
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  Speaker 1: like it's I'll say this just for an example, and
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  Speaker 1: I've mentioned it on the show before the all out
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  Speaker 1: brawl out that everybody has everybody's got an opinion on
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  Speaker 1: between the Bucks and Canny and c him Punk. It
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  Speaker 1: literally took me out of wrestling for like four months,
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  Speaker 1: four to five months, like because the the backstage stuff
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  Speaker 1: just got so out of hand. I just I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: couldn't do it. So I get that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. I wasn't interested in any of that.
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  Speaker 2: I just want I just want to, like I just
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  Speaker 2: wanted to like show cool wrestling moves and like interview
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  Speaker 2: cool people, and that was basically what I got to do.
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  Speaker 5: So, like, what is the difference between the wrestling culture
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  Speaker 5: between here in Colorado And did you learn anything new
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  Speaker 5: about wrestling in this region there.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's not a lot of wrestling culture in Colorado,
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  Speaker 2: not that I can tell, or maybe maybe it's just
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  Speaker 2: like I didn't put myself in it as much. I
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  Speaker 2: will say, like I'm more of an avowed like bigger
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  Speaker 2: promotion watcher, and then I kind of get more through
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  Speaker 2: the indies, going through the indies through Reddit and like
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  Speaker 2: some friends in Los Angeles and stuff. But I didn't
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  Speaker 2: notice a big culture in Colorado. I never really saw
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  Speaker 2: promotion for it or anything. So I would definitely say, like,
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  Speaker 2: like like I said earlier, it's just the it's night
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  Speaker 2: and day in a lot of places. But I think
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  Speaker 2: West Virginia in itself is like very unique in how
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  Speaker 2: how they view how they how they view of wrestling.
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  Speaker 1: Is yeah, because like one thing growing up around here,
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  Speaker 1: you heard I heard stories all the time about when
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  Speaker 1: Flair would come to town, when Dusty Rhodes would come
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  Speaker 1: to town, when Jim Cornett and then would come to
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  Speaker 1: town actually with ASD they had. I was there the
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  Speaker 1: night that Jim Cornett in the Midnight Express got inducted
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  Speaker 1: into their Hall of Fame. And Jimmy Cornette goes on
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  Speaker 1: to tell this story about how they were at the
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  Speaker 1: Madison Civic Center before and they got arrested or something
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  Speaker 1: in the Madison because you know, the police department's right
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  Speaker 1: beside it, so like the police had to get involved
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  Speaker 1: in everything and just talk about how crazy it was
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  Speaker 1: in those days. And actually I've also heard that like
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  Speaker 1: Bruiser Brodie in them would come to town. So and
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  Speaker 1: I asked, have you ever heard of Dave Allen?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I don't know personally, but yes, so he was.
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  Speaker 1: He got inducted the same night as Jim Cornett. And
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  Speaker 1: I asked him, I'm like, so, I've always heard that
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  Speaker 1: like this was a semi hotbed for wrestling. He said
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  Speaker 1: that it really wasn't. But when you go back and
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  Speaker 1: you look at like old like old promos and stuff
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  Speaker 1: with Jim Cornett and them, they stopped in West Virginia
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  Speaker 1: an awful lot in between the bigger cities.
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  Speaker 2: It's also my understanding and in Madison that ICW used
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  Speaker 2: to run shows here and that was the PAOs. So
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  Speaker 2: like Landy Pofo and Randy Savage, we're here quite a
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  Speaker 2: bit as well. So there's I have some old archival
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  Speaker 2: footage of ICW wrestling that I kind of intersperse through it,
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: and it's not I wish it could. They whoever I
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: talked to, I forget who it was. Oh, Joe Don
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Browski was his name. His name, and he was like,
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: I'm looking through the archives. I don't have a bunch
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: of stuff what we whatever we film because most of
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: that is based in Kentucky. But they did, they did
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: film some shows here, so that I have like a
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: little bit of stuff from Beckley, but it's like, it's
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: not stuff I can really show on PBS. It's like
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: a woman wrestling a bear. So I'm like, I don't
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: know if that's gonna make the cut or not, but uh,
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: it was.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: It's funny how many people used to wrestle bears for promotions,
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: like it happened a lot surprisingly. But what are your
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: thoughts on how, you know, just from the time that
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: you've spent research this and going through archival footage up
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: to today, just thoughts on how the wrestling industry has
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: changed over the years.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, I mean it's changed. I mean it's I don't know.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: I don't even know how you can even compare eras
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: even like from ten years ago to even like forty
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: years ago. I mean, obviously the athleticism and the in
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: ring stuff is completely different. There's things that you know
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: that you would see. I was watching those old tapes
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: and and you know, the crowd's going wild for like
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: arm drags and body slams, and now it's like that's
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: just like a regular old harvestance. Like if you're not
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: seeing a top of suicid in a match, then like,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: what what's happening?
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just transition moves. A lot of them are now. Yeah,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: especially like unless it's I was gonna say, the d DT,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: unless it's.
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: Like Jake Roberts DDT.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: If it's Jake Roberts d DT, like bam, he's going
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: it's they're going down right then. And there last thing
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: I really want to last thing I want to touch
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: on to before we wrapped the US up. Have you
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: included like commentary on how like wrestling reflects like broader
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: societal issues and like such as like gender roles, labor rights,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: I know I didn't have enough time to do that.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: I wish I could have.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Well, I could imagine what twenty six minutes you can.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Ultimately it was like it was like these people
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: are cool. I want to shine a light on how
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: cool these people are and how cool the wrestling scene
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: is here and like on a broader and like on
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: a broader like macro level like that. I wish I
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: could have done that. There's a little bit of like
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: I had a couple guys talk about actually Adam does
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: and another wrestler, Shane Storm, kind of mentioned like this
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: is kind of like an outlet for people with not
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: maybe there maybe there comes a little less than you know,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: what's typical across the United States, and like this is
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: a good outlet and good entertainment for people. It's cheap
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: entertainment and it's honestly some of the best wrestling you'll see.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and last thing I will say that's not
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: so much a question, but it involved Pro Wrestling Conquest.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: So Shatzi Blackheart, she was going to Pro Wresting Conquest
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: a lot before and this I've been a Conquest twice.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Both times somebody went to a bigger promotion afterwards. Shotti
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Blackhart was the first when she went to n XTA afterwards.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: And then I was there when Dan Housen was in town.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Oh I saw it. I filmed Dan Housen. Oh my god.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: He was at ASW last month and he signed a release,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: So he's gonna make I like, I'm not he's not
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: part of the promotion, Like that's kind of gross if
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: I did that, right, Like, he's not didn't. I didn't
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: talk to him other than to be like, hey, sign
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: this release, but like he was very like the nicest guy.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: He was like, oh yeah, cool, awesome signed it. And
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: I was like, well, I mean I gotta put him
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: in but yeah, but yeah, but yeah, Dan Housen amazing, amazing,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: one of my favorite characters.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he I will and I'll end with this the
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: when I did Sorry. I got a chance to meet
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Dan Housen at Pro Wresting Conquest that's right before he
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: signed with a AW is like six months before he
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: signed with them, and that was when he had like
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: blown up. So like my brother and my friend we
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: were like the last ones in line and we get
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: up there to him and we're like, hey, you know,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: we want autographs, pictures and stuff, and he's like out
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: of character at this point and he's like, I am
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: shocked with how many people showed up to this show,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: So where can they see this? Where can they get it?
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: This will be on Oh shoot, I should know the
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: name of the app. I don't. It's the Uh. It'll
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: be online on the PBS app and it will be
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: on air December thirtieth. I have not received a time
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: of when it will air. My guess is primetime. So
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: we joked about because slamming the New Year with Grapple Lash.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: There you go, there you go, and we are very
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: much looking forward to it. Here director producer for Grapple
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: actor Roy Troy Rankin, We're gonna shift gears real quick,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: and we will do on this day in wrestling history,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: December twenty second, nineteen ninety seven, Just six days before
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: the biggest pay per view in their history, World Championship
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Wrestling decided it would be a good idea to spend
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: the first half hour of Monday NIGHTRO watching the nWo
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: change the WCW set to an nWo themed one. The
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: experiment to see if the nWo could sustain their own
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: program resulted in losing twenty five percent of the audience
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: in the first half of the show.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: I couldn't imagine why that didn't work.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: What year is that, nineteen ninety seven?
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Oh wow?
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So like This was a week before the sting
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Halt Hogan match. Is am I correct on that?
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Like okay, all right. December twenty second, two thousand
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: ww WCW December twenty second, two thousand and eight WWE
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: SmackDown was taped in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. On the show,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Maurice defeated Michelle McCool to Britain the WWE Davis Championship,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: in which Maria was the special guest referee. Wow, yeah,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: I was. I was digging deep for some of these.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: December twenty second, twenty seventeen, Ray Mysteria presented Lucha Wonderland
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: from l Cajun, California, Calhoun. Pretty sure, I don't know.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: In the main event, Mysterio and Rocky Romero defeated John Hannigan,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: John Morrison and Lucasaurus. And with that, we're gonna take
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: a quick break. When we come back, we're gonna do
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: predictions for aw Worlds in and Troy is going to
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: be our guest picker. So stay tuned.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: It's time for more of the grill out here.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: It's Hollywood, Jeff.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Paper, Welcome back, ladies, gentlemen, to the grill out. I'm
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: your host Hollywood Jeff Betty. I'm joined by my co
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: host both of them, Josh Colebye. Yeah, long lost cousin
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: of Adam Cole, or at least we think. So we'll
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: see if he wins. Yeah, we'll see.
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: We'll see.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: And I'm here too.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Yes, Jason, you can come, come, come to the Mike
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Chump the Mike.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm here.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: That's Jason like Likens, the current reigning and defending Grill
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Outs Predictions Champion. We're also joined by director and producer
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: for Grapple Act to Troy Rankin. He's gonna be our
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: just our guest picker for this, so.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Hopefully I'm like a shallow May and I'm killing it.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: But we'll see.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is our last predictions. Well we have we
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: have our year predictions next week that we're going to do,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: but this is our last predictions as far as pay
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: per views go. AW World's End Continental Classic Final for
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: the AW Continental Champion.
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: There are two semi finals in the final, but we
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: don't really know who's going be in the semifinals.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: So okay, so what how are we doing this one?
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: I guess we'll just.
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess we'll just pick who we think is
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: going to win the whole thing.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Maybe, okay, we can do that.
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: And right now the Blue League Mark Briscoe and Cal
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: Fletcher leading both at nine points, and then the Gold
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: League Claudia Castagni and Ricochet leading nine points. Can't forget
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: because Okata is the reigning champion. He's in Blue League
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: with seven points currently at time of this recording.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, yeah, we'll just we'll roll with that.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: We we were planning this out, just like Tony Kahn
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: plans some of this other stuff out, some of us booking.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: As far as.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: I guess, we would say between those five Mark Briscoe,
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: Cal Fletcher, Claudia Cassi, Ricochet, and Kaziko Kata.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, now I'm just gonna I'm gonna be a
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: little basic on this. So I'm just gonna go Okada.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Just that's That's that's where I'm gonna go with it.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: So yeah, Josh, I'm gonna go cal Fletcher. You're gonna
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: go Fletcher.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, those guys have been impressive. I am a
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: huge Ocada Mark and I just like anything that man does.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: I will watch. So I'm I'm I think it's gonna
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: be Okada, but look out for I want to say Okada.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: But Mark Briscoe is like maybe my dark horse.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, all right, Jason.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: You see as much as I would love to go
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Bobby Blaze, but I think, Okay, so you take the
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: title off of Brisco, you have him in a tournament,
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: you give it to Brisco.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you're gonna go Brisco. Yeah, I get it.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: I get it. Yeah. And yeah, Troy is this is
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Bobby Wlayze's number one fan number.
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: You want to telling the story which how he met
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: but sort of saw him, how he learned of him?
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Okay, I didn't learn of him at that event. I
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: remember watching Bobby Blaize as a small child. I was
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: a child, not Bobby Blaize. That would be creepy. We
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: were at the what was the name of that event?
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: It was like a wrestle Con event for.
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: A Yeah, it was part of the awing before it
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: was it. I don't think it was his last one
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: thing was one before that?
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a really in depth story. There's really
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: no payoff to this story. It's just Bobby Blaze was there.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but no one was there for him.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: No, No, people were only there to see Kurt Angle.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: And then there was Ronnie Garvin at the very end
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: of the line in which one of the people working
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: walked by us and there was a guy standing close
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: to us who asked. The guy working was like, hey,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: who who is that at the end, and the look
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: that's Ronnie Garvin. He was like, Okay, so it's always
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: nice to know where that guy was.
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: Me.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't realize it was Ronnie Garvin. Again, this
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: story has no payoff. I have no idea.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Why just just give it to me. Just give it
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: No, his biggest Bubby Blaze fan ever.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Next match for the A E W Dynamite Diamond Ring
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: m JF, your ring holder against Josh's cousin long lost
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: maybe cousin Adam Cole Bye bye.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah twice removed from a third generation no longer here.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: M JF is like a five time Dynamite donaman, He's
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: the only Yeah, he's like five times. So I'm gonna
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: go Cole. Just no, yeah, give it to Cole please,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: for the love of God.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: I would give it to him me, but I'm going
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: m JF. Cole is the heel here, even though he's
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: percent as the face he screwed MJF last year.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: That's true, that true. But yeah he's the devil what okay? Yeah,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: you got me there, you got me there.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Troy, I'm going MJF. I think they're just I think
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: this is going to be a running gag. As long
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: as he is an w aa n w ae w
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: got root brown the brain, as long as he's in
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: aw I think he's gonna hold that ring forever.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, So when does the show air.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Today?
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Today, and tomorrow and tomorrow.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it will. It will go out today at four
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: o'clock on the podcast World's End next Saturday.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: This is Saturday Saturday, which is the date of twenty eighth,
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: twenty eighth, and what is the twenty fourth.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Christmas Eve?
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: No, it is the first night of Hanukkah. So MJF
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: will win more than one religion, Jeff.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: I know that.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Was a great setup.
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: He's not not.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Even close to all right, Uh, Tijuana Street Fight for
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: the a W Women's World Championship. Mariah May, You're champion
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: defending it against thunder Rosa. You know I like Rosa.
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: I do.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: I think she's I think she's great in the ring.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: But I've got to go May on this one. It's
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: gonna be May.
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: You took it from me, Yeah, it's it's gonna be May.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's because.
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: Because next will be twenty time.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: True true joy.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: I am not totally familiar with the women's division there,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: but I think they're just gonna keep it on. Yeah,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: that was gonna be my next comment. I think they're
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: just gonna keep it on Mariah May. I don't. Thunder
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Rose already held it, and I don't. She was not
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: a very good champion to my understanding, so yeah, stays
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: on May.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think from my understanding, like thunder Rosa was
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: like great chasing the belt, and then when she got
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: the belt it wasn't and she got injured and had
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: to vacate it.
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they had the little interim champion thing for a
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: bit there because of that.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well we've already that interim champion stuff was no, no,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: thank you, yeah, thank you? All right, Jason May gonna
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: go May all right, next match.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Well, I didn't think I needed to elaborate anymore on that.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, no you don't.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you want me to, I will. So
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: thunder Rosa is a competitor. She is the challenger. Mariah
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: May is the champ and it's gonna be May.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you pointed all of that out.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Me too happy to be here.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: Would you like some cookies?
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Don't you start with these cookies?
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: No? All right?
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Next match for the aw International Championship, Connesk Kanowski, Yes
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: versus Powerhouse Hobbs. I want to say Hobbs.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I said it.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: It's for the A to B International Championship.
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yes, I did.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I want to say Hobbs. But I've got to go
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: to Kashta. I mean the guy. I eventually see them
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: strapping the rocket to him and sending him to the moon.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: And he's also I mean he's he's great in the ring,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: awesome Hobbes as well. But I just I don't see
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: it going.
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: To Hobbs at all.
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: When you say you think they're going to strap the
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: rock to but I think this rocket is strapped to
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: him right now and that's why he's winning, all right, Troy.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: I want to be a little contrarian and say if
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: the rackets rockets strapped to him, he might just drop
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: it and he might start chasing the title. So the
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: heavyweight title so maybe I think Hobbs Hobbs here.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: All right, Jason, I would like to say Bobby Blaze,
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: That's why I said it, but I'm gonna go with uh.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: You know what, I think. What you have here is
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: two strong competitors. It could go either way, go A
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: or B. By A or B I mean T or
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: H with the Kesco or Hobbes, and I'm gonna go
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: with not Hobbes.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: So you're gonna go TAKESHTA.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: That is correct.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's what I'm typing it. I'm typing it right now.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I was going to talk while you were typing,
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: so there was no dead air.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: So you are next to Mecedes A champion Chris, and if
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: we're the a wut TBS Championship. See it's not that hard, Jeff,
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: I could do your job.
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: Jeez.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: You see you see how I get respected around here?
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: I get no respect at all. I get no respect.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: A e WTBS championship match, Mercedes Mo. You're champion defending
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: it against Chris Statlander, who we interviewed on here before.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I'm let me alone, let me alone. I'm gonna go
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: monet on this one. Actually, no, No, I'm not my show,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: my show. I'm on stat Lander. Actually, I just change
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: it on a whim, all right.
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: Josh, it would be cool to see stat Lander win
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: it again, become the first two time champion. I'm gonna
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: go Monet that money because I think it's gonna be
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: a bigger match later for that championship. Probably what's your
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: name her bodyguard person?
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Who? Camille?
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh well yeah, yeah. You got a good point there,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: I got a solid point with that. I'm still not
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: changing my pick, though.
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: Well you're wrong.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Well, you know what, there's a reason why I haven't
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: won this title very much, Troy.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: I think Mercedes is money. She's not gonna lose.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: All right, Jason.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Okay, so here's the thing. Mike keeps falling.
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: I believe that, as he contemplates, well.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Not because I I don't think the title is gonna
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: change hands, but I think stat Lander uh may win.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, but not the title.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: It might be Monet because I yeah, I don't know,
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know. You know what I'm gonna say, money, Yeah.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Monay. Okay, all right, let me type
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: that in. It's I know it's not. It's it's my
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: fat sausage fingers. Leave me alone, leave me. No, they're not,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: they're not. I've alwast complete control. Main event four way
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: match for the a W World Championship. John Moxley, You're champion,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: definite against Orange, Cassidy Hangman, Adam Page, and Jay White.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: I love Jay White. I don't think he's gonna do it. Yeah,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: I I I could see Cassidy eventually becoming world champion.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Don't see Page a prediction of some sort sort of
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: sort of. I don't see it being Paige Page. Maybe
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: he's been champion before, but it's not the time. I
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: think it's it's gonna be Moxley. Moxley's gonna walk away
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: with it. He's gonna end the year of twenty twenty
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: four as a to B world champion. Josh Moxley. All right,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: just justin Roberts, what did you leave me? Be Lee Troy.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: I think it's Moxley that that championship stays in that briefcase.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: Sorry, I've never been on this side to see.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: How terrible you also feels too soon for him to
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: lose it.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Too, I mean, okay, so Adam Page as a champ
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: was terrible, right, Like, he was just terrible. It was
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: all about the story of him getting it.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: That's what I was getting ready to say more of
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: a he chased the title. It was good chasing it,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: but once he got there.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for just taking the mic away from it.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: And I appreciate that. Who cares what I have to
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: say at your show? Right exactly, it's not you know,
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: it's not gonna be Jay White. He'll get it, just
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: not yet. Orange Cassidy, not gonna happen yet. It's gonna
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: be well, I mean that that narrows it down. John Moxley, Yeah.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: It was John Moxley. Everybody picks monthly on that one.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: All right, just to recap.
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: The twenty other matches will probably add between now and then.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so so full disclosure. This is not the
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: entire card. This is card subject to change.
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: The card as of December twenty seconds.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, as of December twenty second. I'm sure there's gonna
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: be a couple other matches added because there.
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: Are technically two semifinals. We just don't know what those are.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, we're just not gonna go through all of that.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: So all right, just from the top Continental Classic Final
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: for the AW Continental Championships in my final winner versus
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: semi final winner. Troy and I both going Okada, Josh
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: is going Fletcher, Jason is going Brisco.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: Who is going to be the winner.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Yes, next match AW Dynamite Diamond Ring. I'm going Cole.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I'm the only one that's going Adam Cole. Adam Cole
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: versus a MJF to ring holder. I take risk. Okay,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: everybody else is going MJF on that one. Then we
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: have have the A to W Women's World Championship A
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Tijuana Street Fights, Mari May taking one thunder Rosa defending
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: her title against thunder Rosa. All four of us are
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: going Maria May on this one. Then we get to
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: the A to B International Championship match. Josh, myself and
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Jason I'll go Takesha. Troy actually goes Hobbs because he
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: wants to.
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: Take a risk, and that is commendable.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: You know what. It's nice when people take risks. You
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: have to respect it.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: I get no respect. I get no respect. A to
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: W TBS Championship match, Mercedes Monete defending her title against
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Chris Statlander. I'm going Statlander while everybody else is going.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Monette chose wrong, leave me alone.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: You see who everyone else is picking. You have to
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: follow the pack. No, don't take risks. Who does that?
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: You notice that Jason does not have a mic in
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: front of him right now. I keep we're sharing the mic,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: actually going back and forth.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: Because instead you get Jos on the mic. He said
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: so much.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, final match the main event, four way match
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: for the AW World Championship, John Moxley defending his title
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: against Orange Cassidy, Orange Cassidy, Hangman, Adam Page, and Jay White.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: All four of us went with Moxley on that, and
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: that is all of our predictions for aw's World's End.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: We're gonna shift gears real quick. And now we have
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: the main event.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: It looks like all the talk has been done.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: It's time for the main event. Here's the main event
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: where we go ahead and let you know what your
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: upcoming week in professional wrestling is going to look like internationally,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: nationally and locally. As far as internationally and nationally, this
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: upcoming Wednesday, December twenty fifth, Christmas, it's a special Christmas
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: episode of AW Dynamite titled Dynamite on thirty fourth Street.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: It's a miracle. It is.
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: It is a miracle.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Friday, December twenty seventh, New Year's themed special for aw Rampage,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: which will be the annual New Year's Smash event. This
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: will also be the final episode of Rampage, as the
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: program was not included in AEW's media rights deal with
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Warner Brothers Discovery that takes effect on January first.
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: You did okay, Rampage.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you've helped us through, you got us through there.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Out of all the shows, it was one of.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Them had one important episode.
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: That's it.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: That's true. It had that one episode. Yeah, yep, the
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: second episode was the most important episode and nothing after that.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: At the time of the recording. Both Dynamite and Rampage
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: are being taped tonight actually December twenty second, so be
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: cautious of online spoilers. Saturday, December twenty eighth, we just
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: did predictions for this aw AWT World's Inn pay per
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: view at eight pm Eastern Time, which also means no
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: aw collision this week. Also on Saturday, at eight pm
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Eastern Game Change Your Wrestling Presents Take Care, which will
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: stream one Triller TV plus you spell it It's Triller right,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: No Care. That's how they spell it. Yeah, yeah, not stupid, Josh.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: It was a joke to understand comedy.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the ten ounces of plastic is getting
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: to his head. No. Sunday, December twenty ninth, the women's
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Japanese promotion World Wondering Stardom Startom presents it's pay per
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: view dream Queendom and due to the time difference, it
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: will air that morning at three am Eastern time. You
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: people have heard me talk on here about the Japanese wrestling.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: If you're going to get up and you're going to
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: watch Josie or Nu Japan whatever, whatever type of Japanese
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: wrestling you're going to watch that night, either stay up
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: all night or get you a power nap in okay,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: that's usually what I've done before. Get a pyer and
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: appy and get about one o'clock in the morning. And yeah,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: as far as locally goes. On Thursday, December twenty sixth,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: American Pro Wrestling will hold its weekly TV tapings at
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: the Mountain States Sportatorium in Beckley, West Virginia. Belltime is
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: seven thirty pm and general admission is ten dollars, while
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: it's eight dollars for kids twelve and under. APW's weekly
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: tapings air every Saturday in West Virginia at midnight on
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Fox fifty nine WVNS. Then on Saturday, December twenty eighth,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Elite Pro Wrestling Alliance will be at the Indie Theater
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: in Kaiser, West Virginia.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Four Saturday night wrestling.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Bell time at seven o'clock and all tickets are twenty dollars.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: And that's it for this final weekend of shows for
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. But before we close this segment, we
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: would like to take a brief moment to pay our
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: respects to Big Time Wrestle, which was based out of Huntington,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: West Virginia. As the promoter, Freddy Cornell, decided it was
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: time to hang up the boots.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: We hear it.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: The grill ot unfortunately never got to make it to
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Big Time wrest to a Big Time Wrestling event, But
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: thank you for all of the shows you had done
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: over the years and your contributions to professional wrestling in
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: West Virginia. That's gonna end this segment. Ladies and gentlemen,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: we're gonna take a real quick break and when we
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: come back, how our final thoughts stay tuned. Once again,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Here's Hollywood Jeff Petty, Welcome back to ladies and gentlemen
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: to the grill lot. I'm your host, Hollywood. Jeff Petty
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: joined with Josh Cole Babe cancelations, cancelations. We'll get to
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: that here in a second. We're going to cover it.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: We're gonna cover it. That's Jason like Likens in the
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: background talking yep, uh huh ye uh no, there you go,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: There you go. And then we're also joined by director
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: and producer for Grapple Accha, Troy Rank And I hope
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: that seeing all this, Ye're like, I don't ever want
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: to come back.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Man, I'm still here, so yeah, I'm having a good time.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: It's that we try to have that, try to have
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: a good time around here. AW Rampage is not the
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: only show being canceled, as ww's NXT Level Up also
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: had its final tapings this past week I know.
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: With its.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: With its final episode to also air on Friday, December
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: twenty seventh. NXT Level Up featured newer NXT wrestlers developmental
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: developmental or those not featured as much on the main
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: main NXT show.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: Wrestler who.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah Yeah, Yeah yeah, and it had aired head to
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: head against Rampage on Fridays at ten pm Eastern it
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: did yeah, oh wow.
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: Again, but it was on streaming, so peacock here in
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: the network.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Yes, okay at ten pm won Peacock. Yeah, as what
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Josh said in the US and the WW network internationally,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: although w about to end, Yes, although WW is losing
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: that Friday night show, it will not lose that hour
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: of programming as beginning on January third, twenty twenty five,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: SmackDown will expand to three hours. And yeah, if you
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: couldn't hear Jason in the background, he just learned about
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: NXT level Up.
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: The Level Up had replaced two five Live almost three.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Years ago, so wait, two five Live was still on.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Up until twenty twenty two.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you blow on my brain.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: I didn't see. I didn't know that there was.
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: Okay Live went from twenty sixteen to February of twenty
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: two and then it got replaced by level Up.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: I learned something today.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: This is yeah, this is this is news to me
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: because like we were talking off the air about it, like,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: uh about how last time I remember, it was like
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, that was around well, it was twenty eighteen.
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: That was when all win happened.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because that was when Okada had the match with
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Marty and he kept saying, you're gonna end up on
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: two h five Live. Then he has the spot in
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: in all in where he's got him in the headlock
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: and he goes to five you know, poking fun Adam
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: and everything.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, see I didn't even know that. Yeah, and then
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: and then again, I don't know a whole lot. That's true,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: it is, It is very true.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: One thing I won't say is you're a lawar.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. You ain't calling me a truth there, Well,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: I guess you are.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Leave me, leave me, b I mean we have like
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: we have like seven minutes.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you this, Troy, that is your name.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: That is my government name.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, who's your favorite wrestler of all time?
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: That's a loaded question. I would say, as of a
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: few years ago, it was hul Cogan.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: But I haven't listened to the show.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I admittedly I've not listened to a lot of
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: the shows. I'm sorry, it's not it's not your faults.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: No one will ever hear this perfect.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: I think over the years, I mean I was thinking
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: about this. I was thinking on the way. I was like,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: these guys are gonna ask me who my favorite wrestlers,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: and I'm going to be like, well, I have so
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: many different thoughts because I love stone Cold, but stone
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Call is not a perfect human being, Like all these
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: guys aren't perfect human being.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: No, no, not asking about who's your ideal human Like,
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: let's go with the the the sports entertainer aspect of it,
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: So the actual technical wrestling asside, who is your favorite entertainer?
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: All right?
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Now it's Kevin Owens.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: Kevin Owens. Yeah, that's a great pick. Who do you
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: think the greatest of all time is?
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Stone Cold?
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: You see? The sad thing that we came to the
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: conclusion of here is that it probably is Hogan of
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: everything that he's done for the business. And I don't
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: like Hogan. I don't like him.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: I like his entering stuff, and that's about it. And
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think I think people have talked about like,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: you know, Hogan couldn't wrestle. Hogan's not Hogan's not this.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: But like if you've seen old tape of Hogan in Japan,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: like you know, drop toe holds or whatever and just
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: work like he was a worker Yeah, he worked as
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: much as he needed to here, and so I think
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: that's what upsets work rate people.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: You you actually echoed the exact thing that we've said
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: on this show, and I think it did come from you, Jason,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: that he did what he needed to do here and
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: that was it.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: Well, big part of that was the way that Vince
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: wanted him to be portrayed, because I mean, Vince, I
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: don't think it's any surprise loved big sweaty men. I
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: mean that's.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: They called WW the Land of the Giants for a reason.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so you he wanted people to wrestle like giants,
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: these big characters, and so Hogan didn't need to be
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: doing drop too holds. He needed to be doing.
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: Drops leg drop that somehow took you out, hulking up.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: And all that.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: So I mean, yeah, I like, there's no denying his
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: his mark on the industry and in pop culture. And
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: so I mean his personal views aside, you know, that's
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: that's a whole different story we don't have. I don't
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: want to talk about that. That's that's not part of
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: that's not this show. So well let's let's get into
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: it now.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: You yes, everything aside with the I'll just say the controversies,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: the controversy around Hogan, you cannot take away the the
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: impact he has had on the world of professional wrestling.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, who was It was Agent Christian who cited
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: Hulkemania as what got them involved in professional wrestling. And
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: that's just two people that that's doesn't encompass everybody that
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: it has influenced.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: All right, So let me ask you this, Jeff. How
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: much time do we have?
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Three to four minutes?
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: All right, So Troy, back to you hot seat. He's
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: your favorite technical wrestler of all time?
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, Brian Danielson, Yeah, that's an easy one.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't really argue with that.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that man can do it all. And that's that's.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: Like accept wrestle and not get concussed.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Well you know that then if you're that technical, I
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: don't know, that's a weird that's a weird thing. I'm
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: like that he puts his body on the line much
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: like everybody else does in the ring, and so I
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: think you have, like I have a wanton disregard for
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: yourself and your body to like wrestle the way that
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: he does.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: True, Yeah, because like, wasn't it correct? Me if I'm
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: wrong on this. When Brian Danielson went over to when
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: he left WWE and went to AW, Vince obviously was like,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he wasn't entirely happy about it, but he
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: was like, I get it. Wasn't it that Brian was like, Vince,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: I want to bleed?
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he went to wrestle Barrett one time.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm earlier. I know someone in Beckley. There's
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: tape of it. We can.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Honestly actually speaking of that, and I'm you're the w
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: w F ww w F Championship.
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: Quick.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, do you want to throw that
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: in there in here, because like we didn'tet a chance to touch. Yeah.
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: So I had read something about, I don't know, two
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: months ago, basically the original w w Championship, which was
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: the w w w F at the time that United
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: States built. I had read that that was actually used
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: as a West Virginia championship, like before it came to
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: the w w w F. Do you know anything about that?
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't get too deep into the history of it.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: I honestly, about as far back as I got was
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Bobby Blaze and that was that was just honest that's
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: not that's that's because its funny. Just kept imaginating because
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: those guys, the guys that are like the older guys
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: now got trained by Bobby Blaze and and so they
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: they attribute everything to him. So I and like I said,
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: a couple guys know about like the papos running shows
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: in Madison, but other than that, like I did once again,
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: I just didn't have time.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think the audience can see how happy
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: I am to hear people praise the Blaze. Okay, one
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: last question for me, Troy, I don't know why I
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  Speaker 3: need to keep looking at the name to see if that.
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  Speaker 2: Is I might have changed it in that time.
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  Speaker 3: No, most overrated wrestler of all time? And why is
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  Speaker 3: it all? Who do you think is the most overrated?
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I don't know. I have such a respect.
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  Speaker 2: This is like, this is such a fencitting answer, but
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: like I have such a respect anybody, anybody that goes
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  Speaker 2: and goes out there and does it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even really have.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, uh, listen, if you don't say a name,
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  Speaker 3: everyone will lose respect for it. So no pressure.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think who I didn't sting, You don't
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: like sting. You're saying your point of me towards Stinging.
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  Speaker 3: No, I love Harley Race, Dusty Rhodest.
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  Speaker 1: Now you're just trying to start a fist fight Bill Goldberg.
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  Speaker 2: It might be okay there, it is fair that one's
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  Speaker 2: easy undertaker Goldberg. Goldberg is uh, you know, two moves
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  Speaker 2: and that's it. But like, man was that that that
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: gimmick was over? But like is a wrestler, he's not good.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: No, it goes back to like what Kevin Ash said
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  Speaker 1: about it. When your whole thing, of your whole gimmick
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  Speaker 1: is being undefeated and you lose a match, every it
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  Speaker 1: of momentum you build up is gone instantly. And that's
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  Speaker 1: exactly what happened with Bill Goldberg. That's true.
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  Speaker 3: True.
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  Speaker 1: Then he tour Quad.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, he got injured.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, anyho. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm saying, like gimmicks gimmicks. I think any gimmick
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  Speaker 2: can get over if somebody's committed enough to it. But
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: like it's for as to have stating power, I think
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: you still also have to show up in the ring
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: a little bit more than just spear and jack hammer.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: So that yeah, it's Goldberg.
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  Speaker 3: Well he also did a.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Yep, going Fast fantastic Buddy December thirtieth, Grapple Acha. It
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  Speaker 1: will be on the wvpb app and it will also
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  Speaker 1: be on your local Washington Public Broadcasting channel. I am
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: just I talk with my hands.
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  Speaker 4: Leave me be.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, thank you Troy for joining us for this episode.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, thank you guys for having me here. This
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  Speaker 2: has been a blast.
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  Speaker 1: And until next time, fellow wrestling fans, have a good
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  Speaker 1: one
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  Speaker 4: Night.