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What's a quinceañera anyway? · Stuff You Should Know

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from house Stuff Works
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Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark.
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Speaker 1: There's Charles W. Choke Bryant, There's Jerry. And this is
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Speaker 1: a very special day for us. It's a very special
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Speaker 1: day for Jerry because she's celebrating her her very special
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Speaker 1: day because today Jerry turns sweet fifteen. Right, well, technically
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Speaker 1: it's her triple king Tanya. No, Jerry started producing the
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Speaker 1: show when she was five. Oh yeah, she was the
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Speaker 1: wonder kin. She was a child prodigy three, A lot
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Speaker 1: of temper tantrums. Yeah, but we got through that time,
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Speaker 1: we did the Terrible fives and now she's just a
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Speaker 1: pretty little lady in her pink lacey satine dress. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that dresses a lot, even for a king signor address.
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Speaker 1: Jerry agreed. Can I go ahead and say I don't
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Speaker 1: do the R role very well? So I'm just gonna
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Speaker 1: say Keen Sanira, okay, instead of Kencaniana. Yeah that wasn't
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Speaker 1: very good either, right. I used to do a good
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Speaker 1: R role because of German, but I feel like I've
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Speaker 1: lost it a bit, and I guess it's actually an
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Speaker 1: end role. Keen Signietta is good, right, yeah, but if
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Speaker 1: I try to keep it up, it's it's I think
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Speaker 1: it's going to fatigue everybody pretty quick. So Keen Sanira, Well,
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Speaker 1: and the last thing we want to be here two
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Speaker 1: jackass white dudes, Well, that's what we're doing too, thick
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Speaker 1: to forty something white dudes are about to talk about
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Speaker 1: Keen Sanieta's like, we know what we're talking about when
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Speaker 1: we did the research, and I think it's uh. I
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Speaker 1: think it's good to cover stuff like this. I do too.
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Speaker 1: I had very little understanding about this, just from what
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Speaker 1: I've seen on like MTV or whatever, you know, did
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Speaker 1: they have a show they have one called like My
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Speaker 1: Sweet sixteen or whatever I might be complaining with. But
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Speaker 1: I swear I've seen ken like I knew some of
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Speaker 1: this stuff somewhere. I don't nowhere though, somewhere just in
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Speaker 1: the just being plugged into culture, I knew it. I guess. Yeah. Well,
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Speaker 1: I lived in Los Angeles, as you know, and they
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Speaker 1: have obviously quite a Latin population, and I looked up
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Speaker 1: Hispanic in Latino. I wanted to get out all right, good, good,
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Speaker 1: let's hear what you got. Well, it says that they
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Speaker 1: can generally used interchangeably these days. But um, I think
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Speaker 1: Latino can like I think Hispanic refers to whether or
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Speaker 1: not you actually have Spanish speaking roots. Oh is that right?
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Speaker 1: But um, Latino can be like Brazil uh in places
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Speaker 1: in South America as well, if I'm not mistaken. I
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Speaker 1: heard once that Ronald Reagan was the person who coined
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Speaker 1: the term Hispanic, or at least popularized it. Really Yeah,
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Speaker 1: well it was that tattoo across his upper back Hispanic
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Speaker 1: life for life, yea with the number four. Uh. But
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Speaker 1: at any rate, you know, lived in l A and
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Speaker 1: there's uh, you know, a large Mexican population. So I
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Speaker 1: would see Quantanietas going on all the time when you're
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Speaker 1: just driving around on a weekend. That I would see
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Speaker 1: stuff and I was like, wait a minute, it's not
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Speaker 1: prom it's summer. Like what's going on? It's like Prom
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Speaker 1: times ten. And then some somebody hit me in the head.
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Speaker 1: They're like, you dummy, dumb white guy from the South.
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Speaker 1: That's a Kencanietas, right, And so I was like, well,
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Speaker 1: you know what one they I'm gonna do a podcast
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Speaker 1: about that. They said, what is a podcast? To make
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Speaker 1: up for all this? He said, just watch that's right.
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Speaker 1: So one thing I saw was um with Latin, you know,
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Speaker 1: like with Latino or Latino, there's the ingrained masculine. But
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Speaker 1: something I saw pop up in a couple of sites
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Speaker 1: was they would replace the O or the A with
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Speaker 1: an X just to make it the word gender neutral,
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Speaker 1: like Latin X. Oh. Yeah, I don't know how you
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Speaker 1: pronounced it. I didn't get that far, but I saw
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Speaker 1: imprint in a couple of different sites where they were
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Speaker 1: trying to remove the gender from you know, Tino or
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Speaker 1: Latina and just make it genderal gender neutral. Because there's
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Speaker 1: there's a m. I haven't seen it, but there's an
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Speaker 1: HBO documentary about Kenson gets and one of them is
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Speaker 1: for a trans girl. Okay, would it be pronounced Latins? Maybe?
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Speaker 1: I mean I have to see it written down. How
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Speaker 1: is the X in like wakaka? Isn't it like hot
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Speaker 1: wa wa? So maybe Lata? That's where I'm going with
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Speaker 1: here we go. I didn't want to be too dumb dumbs,
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Speaker 1: and we're so far down dumb dumb lane it's not
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Speaker 1: even funny. No, So let's try to get this back
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Speaker 1: on the rail, shall we. I think what we just
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Speaker 1: did was great because we explored some questions we had,
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Speaker 1: But now we can talk about everything we know about Kenson.
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Speaker 1: Getis right, which is we've been dancing around this thing.
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Speaker 1: This is the fifteen birthday celebration for young ladies, young
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Speaker 1: women in Mexico, Puerto Rico, in Cuba, in the United States,
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Speaker 1: kind of all over the world. Um, this is this
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Speaker 1: can take place? Yeah, Um, and it seems to be
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Speaker 1: so it's a it's actually a very traditional thing to
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Speaker 1: where um Catholic, like the Catholic nous of the girl
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Speaker 1: and her even pre Catholic origins bind together with what
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Speaker 1: I guess you would call like is a universal coming
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Speaker 1: of age celebration that also focuses on the individuality and
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Speaker 1: tastes of the girl. You put all those things together,
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Speaker 1: you have a keen Signetta, which is a fifteenth birthday party,
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Speaker 1: which is a coming out party for a girl as
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Speaker 1: she transitions from um girlhood into womanhood. It happens on
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Speaker 1: this day and they throw a huge celebration. And there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of really cool traditions that you're gonna find it,
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Speaker 1: Like every king signhetta that are that have some a
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Speaker 1: neat origin story to them or a neat symbolism to
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Speaker 1: them and also some great music, some delicious food. Mm.
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Speaker 1: Family coming together for an important day. It's really great.
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Speaker 1: Not just family, the whole community is meant to you know,
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Speaker 1: like extended family. People in the community that have like
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Speaker 1: had an impact on the girl's life, like a teacher.
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Speaker 1: People chip in for the expense of this. It's like
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Speaker 1: a real communal thing. Should we go back in time? Okay,
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Speaker 1: let's or did you want to go to the future. No, no,
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Speaker 1: we'll go back in time all right. So the origins
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Speaker 1: of this, say, date back all the way to the
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Speaker 1: Aztec Indians. Um. Obviously in the fourteen hundreds and fifteen hundreds,
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Speaker 1: they were performing these festivals because girls back then we're
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Speaker 1: marriage ready at the age of fifteen. That's kind of
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Speaker 1: what it symbolized, right, And like it's it wasn't just
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Speaker 1: the Aztecs. Like around the world and cultures around the
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Speaker 1: world like you you would find some sort of coming
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Speaker 1: of age or rites of passage into womanhood. And yeah,
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Speaker 1: when you came out the other end, it was like
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Speaker 1: you were on the market then from that point on,
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Speaker 1: that's right. And they had ceremonies, they had speeches, um,
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Speaker 1: talking about how important it is to become a wise,
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Speaker 1: upstanding member of society as a young woman. Um. Then
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Speaker 1: the Spanish come along. Of course, they invade what we
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Speaker 1: now call Mexico over through the Aztecs, and that brought
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Speaker 1: in a European influence to this whole experience. And this
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Speaker 1: is where things got a little more, um, a little
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Speaker 1: more like debutante. Yeah, it's actually I looked into this
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Speaker 1: a little further, chuck. And they they are. They can't
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Speaker 1: say for certain where Keintaniettez came from, but they think
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Speaker 1: the Aztecs. But their source comes from a single nun
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Speaker 1: working in Mexico who wrote an account that had been
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Speaker 1: given to a priest forty years earlier from another priest
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Speaker 1: who had supposedly in the fifteen twenties interviewed some az
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Speaker 1: Tech high priests about their culture. So that's where the
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Speaker 1: whole idea that there was a rite of passage at
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Speaker 1: age fifteen comes from kind of shaky. And then other
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Speaker 1: people say, well, no, this is obviously a Spanish colonial influence,
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Speaker 1: like being presented at court. But the the idea that
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Speaker 1: it's a rite of passage into womanhood is so universal
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Speaker 1: that it probably is a combination of the two of them.
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Speaker 1: No one can just say for certain though what the
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Speaker 1: origin is specifically. Yeah, and apparently until the nineteen sixties, UM,
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Speaker 1: it was really kind of an upper class thing. But
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Speaker 1: then in the nineteen sixties, as Latinos immigrated to the
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Speaker 1: United States and they became more part of American fabric,
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Speaker 1: they really kind of really kind of spread throughout the
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Speaker 1: US and Latin America as becoming across all socio economic classes.
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Speaker 1: And uh, we'll get to this a little more later.
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Speaker 1: But wonderfully, like you said, um, in poorer communities, you
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Speaker 1: see entire communities chipping in some money many times, or
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Speaker 1: the the godmothers and godfathers and padnos and Madrina's like
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Speaker 1: that to help pay for this stuff. UM. I saw
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Speaker 1: this photographer did a really great photos series of Quintana's
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Speaker 1: celebrations in poor neighborhoods in Mexico and photograph these really
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Speaker 1: beautiful photographs of these these young women in their dresses
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Speaker 1: sort of in the middle of a very depressed neighborhood, UM,
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Speaker 1: and just showing how important it was that they still
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Speaker 1: had this celebration, um, even though they they it was
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Speaker 1: it was a burden financially on their families, right. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think Mexico City got together in two thousand and
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Speaker 1: seven and um, some of the businesses, some of them,
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Speaker 1: some nonprofit groups held like a big mass kin signeta
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Speaker 1: UM and now they do it every year for girls
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Speaker 1: who who wouldn't otherwise be able to have one. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I also read a New York Times article where, um,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of bias like when it comes to
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Speaker 1: things like this and and barn bought Mitzvah's and Debutante balls,
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Speaker 1: where it's very easy for someone to say, like you,
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Speaker 1: you know, if you're poor living in Mexico City, why
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Speaker 1: are you wasting? And that's an air quotes your money
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Speaker 1: on this celebration when your family doesn't have much money,
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Speaker 1: and they say, you know, you never hear this kind
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Speaker 1: of criticism for bar Mitzvah's and bought Mitzvah's or debutants, um,
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Speaker 1: regardless of so socioeconomic status. So it's just very important,
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Speaker 1: important part of their culture that should be UM shouldn't
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Speaker 1: be looked down upon just because they may not have
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Speaker 1: the kind of money to throw a big one. Uh
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, And I'm yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure one of the things that you just kind
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Speaker 1: of hit on the head is that it's a it's
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Speaker 1: a it's a part of UM Latin next culture UM,
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Speaker 1: which is one reason why it's become so big in America.
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Speaker 1: It's a way of UM people of Latino heritage to say,
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Speaker 1: you know, this is my heritage too, and this is
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Speaker 1: how I'm going to come of age in America. But
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Speaker 1: because it's also in America and these are American born
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Speaker 1: girls of UM Latino heritage, they they have come over
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Speaker 1: time to kind of meld together with what Americans look
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Speaker 1: at and say, that's just one enormous Sweet six Team party.
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Speaker 1: But there's there's some details in there that you'll find
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Speaker 1: it at Kenson Era that you won't at a Sweet
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Speaker 1: six Team party. And we'll talk about those right after this.
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Speaker 1: Well done, all right, Charles. So we are going to
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Speaker 1: start the day. It's a frantic day. It's a hectic day.
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Speaker 1: From everything I understand from what I've read, this is
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Speaker 1: a an actually like a cool day for a girl,
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Speaker 1: but also very stressful. All right. It's like a it's
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Speaker 1: like a wedding or a prom or anything where there's
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Speaker 1: UM a lot of pressure on this one. You know,
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Speaker 1: six hour experience. But think about this. With a wedding,
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Speaker 1: you've got your s O to plan the wedding with.
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Speaker 1: With prom, you've got a handful of other girls to plan.
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Speaker 1: You know what you're doing with prom, and plus proms
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Speaker 1: already being planned for you by your school or whatever.
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Speaker 1: This is like your day, and part of your responsibility
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Speaker 1: is the keensie Yetta, which by the way, Kensonietta literally
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Speaker 1: translates to the girl who is fifteen, um, so this
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Speaker 1: is technically your Fiesta day keen Signetta or something like that.
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Speaker 1: Part of your responsibility as Kensanetta is to show that
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Speaker 1: you can take part in this planning. On the one hand,
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Speaker 1: it's to allow it to reflect your personality and your taste,
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Speaker 1: so you're the one who needs to choose all this stuff.
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Speaker 1: But it also shows that you can be a grown
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Speaker 1: up too and undertake months of planning leading up to
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Speaker 1: this thing and basically pull it off. Correct, you are right, Okay?
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Speaker 1: So the whole thing starts with a trip to church,
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Speaker 1: which is not what you're going to find, right, Which
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Speaker 1: is not what you're gonna find a normal American like
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Speaker 1: say Sweet six Team party, No, And it depends on
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Speaker 1: the church where you're gonna have and you know, sometimes
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Speaker 1: the celebration also occurs at the church. Sometimes that occurs
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Speaker 1: at a different spot. Um, kind of like a wedding,
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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you'll have the reception somewhere else. Right,
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Speaker 1: That's not how I started, which we'll talk about that
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Speaker 1: in a minute, but go ahead. But it beens on
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Speaker 1: the church where you're a member or where you're having
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Speaker 1: this initial ceremony. But the girl before this all happens
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Speaker 1: for weeks ahead of time, may actually be required to
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Speaker 1: attend classes in advance of this, so they're prepared. They
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Speaker 1: know to what to expect, right. Um. They well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's about it as far as the weeks ahead part,
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Speaker 1: as far as the church and all the planning, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: of course. Right. So on the day they arrive at
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Speaker 1: the church, and you were saying, like, you know, now
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Speaker 1: it's kind of evolved to where you have, like like
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Speaker 1: like a wedding, you have the ceremony of the church
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Speaker 1: and then the event elsewhere, right, And that's becoming more
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Speaker 1: and more the way. But one of the reasons that
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Speaker 1: is becoming, um the way is because in Los Angeles,
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Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Archdiocese issued like a set of guidelines
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Speaker 1: that basically put the kai bosh on this idea of
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Speaker 1: the kingson era as a big lavish affair. Uh. And
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Speaker 1: it really dampened this burgeoning um I guess industry or
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Speaker 1: tradition or whatever. Um put a damper on it for
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Speaker 1: a little while because families didn't want to go against
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Speaker 1: the Church, so they kind of toned down the king sanniras.
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Speaker 1: But the reason the Church is doing this is because
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Speaker 1: there were too many kingsonias, not enough Spanish speaking priests.
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Speaker 1: And then also the Catholic Church has always had an
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Speaker 1: awkward position in this. In this tradition, it's not a
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Speaker 1: Catholic tradition, it's a cultural tradition by a group of
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Speaker 1: people who are predominantly Catholic and involved the Church as
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Speaker 1: part of this tradition. But this this tradition, if anything,
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Speaker 1: is a syncretized tradition. Remember when we were in Guatemala.
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Speaker 1: The melding of Catholic beliefs and um like pagan pre
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Speaker 1: pre um colonial beliefs, indigenous beliefs is syncretism. This is
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Speaker 1: an example of that. There's like az tech rituals supposedly
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Speaker 1: mixed with this. The whole thing starts at at a
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Speaker 1: Catholic church with a mass, So the church is kind
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Speaker 1: of had alternately hands on and hands off view of
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Speaker 1: this whole thing and almost put a complete damper on it.
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Speaker 1: But since then it just kind of said, Okay, we'll
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Speaker 1: just start off at the church and we'll have the
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Speaker 1: the party afterward elsewhere. Yeah. And I've also seen that
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Speaker 1: a lot of churches now are straying away from me
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Speaker 1: is because they feel like there's just a lot of
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Speaker 1: disrespectful behavior. Um, like you know, people partying on the
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Speaker 1: pews and taking pictures with their phone and texting, and
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Speaker 1: like they kind of forget that they're in a church, right,
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Speaker 1: which I mean, if you step back and think about it,
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Speaker 1: having a girl's fifteen year birthday party in an actual church,
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Speaker 1: that's a terrible idea to begin with. Yes, so it
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Speaker 1: makes sense to to do this kind of solemn ceremony
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Speaker 1: at the church and then party elsewhere, which I think
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Speaker 1: is pretty much par for the course these days. All Right,
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Speaker 1: So before the mass takes place, um, this young woman
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Speaker 1: has and and Kristen Corner, remember Kristen of course, what's
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Speaker 1: the name of their podcast, Unladylike, unlady Like that's right. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Kristen Caroline formally of stuff mom never told you now
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Speaker 1: with unladylike she wrote this article and she said that
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Speaker 1: custom calls for fourteen damas or maiden attendants UM to
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Speaker 1: represent the fourteen years of her life up and to
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Speaker 1: that point. I saw elsewhere seven. That's what I saw,
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Speaker 1: to be paired with seven young men. Um. Do you
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Speaker 1: want to pronounce that? Shambaland's Yeah, that's that's how I
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Speaker 1: took it. Shambalan's I read in another place. I was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, which is it? Um? And apparently can
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Speaker 1: be seven to fifteen. So depending on I guess how
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Speaker 1: many really close friends you have, kind of like picking
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Speaker 1: out your your bridesmaids and groomsmen. Yeah, and I saw
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Speaker 1: plenty of videos of Ken Sanerre's where like there were
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Speaker 1: three girls. Yeah, but I think under strict tradition of
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Speaker 1: the Kensignetta you would have fourteen girls and fifteen dudes.
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Speaker 1: You got fourteen damas, fifteen chamberlains and then one I
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Speaker 1: got it, and then one Chamberlayne Day on air, which
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Speaker 1: I totally missed up. But it's it's basically the the
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Speaker 1: escort of honor. Who is the the Kensignetta's date, that's right.
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Speaker 1: And again I'm sure that there's somely way that Ken
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Speaker 1: Sanietta cops aren't going to come by because you don't
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Speaker 1: have enough uh friends helping you. They have larger fish
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Speaker 1: to fry on Ken Sanietta day. Right, Although the whoever
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Speaker 1: is helping you plan this, it would probably love it
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Speaker 1: if you had fourteen guys and fourteen girls because they
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Speaker 1: all have to be outfitted in exactly what you want
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Speaker 1: them to wear, because it's your party, that's right. And
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Speaker 1: I don't think we mentioned, but the dress is a
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Speaker 1: very big part of the celebration. Um Traditionally it's either
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Speaker 1: pink or white, very saturny. I mean it looks kind
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Speaker 1: of like a prom dress, a big frilly um floor
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Speaker 1: length of gown. But then also is eight ft wide, yeah,
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Speaker 1: exactly at the waist like out it's extraordinary. It's like
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Speaker 1: a princess dress. Yeah, like I want to Ken Taniera, Well,
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Speaker 1: we can throw you one, buddy, Okay, you don't do that,
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Speaker 1: Sure you'll get all pretty for the camera. I definitely
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Speaker 1: would find a nice stress. All right. So the first stop, though,
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Speaker 1: like you said, is the church, and this is where
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Speaker 1: um a lot of the ceremony takes place. Um, they
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Speaker 1: receive a blessing from a priest. Um, the young woman
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Speaker 1: commits herself to her protecting her virginity and her spiritual devotion. Um.
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Speaker 1: And then they leave a bouquet flowers near the Virgin
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Speaker 1: Mary statue. Uh. And then traditionally they would give away
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Speaker 1: a porcelain doll, one of their childhood dolls, or again,
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Speaker 1: tradition varies. These days, it might be a step teddy
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Speaker 1: bear or something else that just meant something to the girl.
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Speaker 1: One thing I saw was at Kens signetta barbie. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: all right, Well they'll pass that along to a younger
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Speaker 1: sister or another relative, another female relative to basically say,
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Speaker 1: like again symbolic of I'm entering young adulthood and I'm
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Speaker 1: passing on this silly barbie to you. What's the name
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Speaker 1: of that, the ultimamuneka. Oh, I don't know, I didn't
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Speaker 1: see that. Ultima muneka means the last doll, and it
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Speaker 1: shows that she's leaving girlhood behind. And you can guess
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Speaker 1: which which one of those, the ceramic doll or the
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Speaker 1: old toy or the brand new barbie the younger female
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Speaker 1: relative wants these days sure. Yeah so um, so that
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Speaker 1: may or may not happen at the church. The thing
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Speaker 1: that seems to be what definitely up as of the
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Speaker 1: church is the girl is presented with a rosary, a
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Speaker 1: prayer book or a Bible um and leaves flowers at
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Speaker 1: the altar and or the statue of the Virgin Mary,
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Speaker 1: and then receives a blessing. Right, that's right. So let's
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Speaker 1: say that all that happened at the church and the
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Speaker 1: the girl has been blessed. Sometimes it's part of a
21:19
Speaker 1: regular mass, like she may stand up and come up
21:21
Speaker 1: to the altar and get a special blessing if if
21:24
Speaker 1: if her parents are pulling all the right strings, maybe
21:27
Speaker 1: she can get her own mass for it. But um,
21:29
Speaker 1: she may also be sharing that mass with other keen
21:32
Speaker 1: signetas there's a bunch of different ways to do it.
21:35
Speaker 1: But once the mass is done, once she said like
21:37
Speaker 1: I am committing myself to the Catholic Church, and I'm
21:40
Speaker 1: a very spiritual girl, and and um, thanks for the blessing,
21:44
Speaker 1: I'm out e five thousand, she's heading off to the party.
21:48
Speaker 1: That's right. Get that just like a good wedding. Get
21:52
Speaker 1: that part over with quickly so you can get your
21:55
Speaker 1: party on, right. So while she's getting into the limo,
21:59
Speaker 1: we'll take another break. Okay, alright, look at her trying
22:01
Speaker 1: to stuff that dress in that Okay, chuck. So she
22:29
Speaker 1: has gotten in the limo, she's driven off, and now
22:32
Speaker 1: they're going to the venue, which is basically anywhere that
22:35
Speaker 1: you would also hold like a wedding reception. You could
22:38
Speaker 1: hold a keen signor party. Yeah, I mean it could be.
22:42
Speaker 1: It really depends on the budget of the family involved.
22:45
Speaker 1: They could rent out a a large hall, or they
22:48
Speaker 1: could it could be in the backyard of their own
22:50
Speaker 1: home or at a friend's house. Yeah. And again this
22:53
Speaker 1: is not just on the parents shoulders. It's very customary
22:57
Speaker 1: and very traditional for the girl to approach family members, UM,
23:02
Speaker 1: members of the business community, um, just anybody she can
23:07
Speaker 1: think of to say, hey, costs are really adding up
23:11
Speaker 1: and can you, you know, chip in a little bit.
23:14
Speaker 1: And like the the keison, Eira will be sponsored by
23:17
Speaker 1: multiple people besides just her parents. Yeah, and I did
23:20
Speaker 1: I also read in that article on that really great
23:23
Speaker 1: photo spread the guy did he interviewed the family members,
23:26
Speaker 1: and one of the families he said, how long have
23:28
Speaker 1: you you know? They didn't have much money, and he said,
23:30
Speaker 1: how long have you been saving for this? And they
23:32
Speaker 1: said for fifteen years? Oh man, Like they started sucking
23:36
Speaker 1: away money every year because they knew this was coming
23:38
Speaker 1: so great and it was important. It was very sweet story. Yeah.
23:41
Speaker 1: I think the aspect that, you know, the community chips
23:44
Speaker 1: in and and also comes to like witness this girl's
23:48
Speaker 1: transition to adulthood. UM. I just really appreciate that. I
23:52
Speaker 1: think it's really cool that that's part of it, you know,
23:55
Speaker 1: it makes it rather than it's just the parents are
23:58
Speaker 1: footing the bill for everything. I just think that's cool. Yeah. Well,
24:01
Speaker 1: and it's a culture where family and community such a
24:04
Speaker 1: important revered thing, um, and it's something that I'm envious of,
24:10
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, for sure. So when the when the
24:15
Speaker 1: girl gets there, the first thing that's gonna happen is
24:18
Speaker 1: the music is going to be starting, um and her
24:21
Speaker 1: courts going to come in and get introduced. Those are
24:23
Speaker 1: the um Damas and the Shambalans. Why is that not
24:28
Speaker 1: sounding right because it sounds French? Right? Okay, so that's
24:32
Speaker 1: but am i am I pronouncing it French? I don't
24:35
Speaker 1: know that's what I'm saying it. It's uh, I'm not sure.
24:38
Speaker 1: I don't know the origins of that word. Okay, So,
24:40
Speaker 1: um those two her court, They're gonna come in one
24:44
Speaker 1: by one and get announced virtually, just like a wedding
24:47
Speaker 1: when the bride and groom show up, the groom's maids, no,
24:52
Speaker 1: the bride, the groomsman's and then the um bridesmaids come on.
24:59
Speaker 1: Man very hanging in there. They get introduced, you know,
25:02
Speaker 1: one by one is they're coming in, and then finally
25:05
Speaker 1: the the chamberland, the the honorary escort is introduced, and
25:11
Speaker 1: then you finally have the keen Tierra come in and
25:14
Speaker 1: the music changes and she's like you're like raising the roof,
25:17
Speaker 1: you know, and the party's just everyone erupts into this
25:22
Speaker 1: craziness from that moment on. Yeah, and again, it could
25:25
Speaker 1: be a DJ. It could be a mariachi band. It
25:28
Speaker 1: could be a rock band. It could be a DJ
25:31
Speaker 1: playing Marriott. It could be it could be uh like
25:35
Speaker 1: with my wedding, I had an iPod loaded up with
25:38
Speaker 1: my mix and just hit play nice. So this is
25:44
Speaker 1: probably a DJ with a light system and a dance floor.
25:47
Speaker 1: All the videos I saw are very much like that. Um,
25:52
Speaker 1: so the court has been introduced and then one of
25:54
Speaker 1: the first things that happens is the girl is presented
25:58
Speaker 1: with a crown tiara. She's presented with a scepter. So
26:04
Speaker 1: for the killing, all right, for the bashing later and
26:09
Speaker 1: then write the ritual, the ritual killing of the chipmunk Um.
26:13
Speaker 1: And she's seated, probably on a throne of some sort
26:16
Speaker 1: or a central chair, maybe one of those like Wicker,
26:19
Speaker 1: remember the Wicker like seventies chair, like flared out and up.
26:24
Speaker 1: It looked kind of like, yeah, maybe she's sitting on
26:28
Speaker 1: one of those. But she's she's basically the center of
26:30
Speaker 1: attention right then, and something kind of cool happens. The
26:34
Speaker 1: shoes shoes wearing that she came in with flat sold
26:37
Speaker 1: sandals or um slippers or something like that. Her dad
26:41
Speaker 1: comes over and takes those off, and then he puts
26:45
Speaker 1: on high heels and snaps his fingers, twirls and goes,
26:49
Speaker 1: she's a woman, yes, And I bet you anything this,
26:54
Speaker 1: This young lady has practiced walking in those before. I
26:58
Speaker 1: don't think she would want her first experience in heels
27:00
Speaker 1: to be in that dress on the big day. It's
27:04
Speaker 1: just logical chuck talking, Although it would be fun to watch, No,
27:09
Speaker 1: come on, you don't think it would be. No one
27:12
Speaker 1: wants to see uh what do they? Kristen said, they
27:14
Speaker 1: call her Keen's girls sometimes. Yeah, no one wants to
27:17
Speaker 1: see a Keen's girl fall over. That's true except you.
27:22
Speaker 1: But you got laughed at while you did the backstroke,
27:24
Speaker 1: so I get it. Yeah, mocked. Uh. They may also
27:29
Speaker 1: get gifts, but not always a lot of times there
27:32
Speaker 1: are symbolic gifts. A lot of times other people will
27:36
Speaker 1: bring gifts, but from the parents. The festival and ceremony
27:40
Speaker 1: itself is the gift. But sometimes if the parents have
27:44
Speaker 1: some dough and a big budget, they may get what's
27:47
Speaker 1: called regallo sorpressa, which is a surprise gift. Um on
27:52
Speaker 1: top of everything else. And this of course is including
27:56
Speaker 1: um like you mentioned the prayer book and the Rosary
27:59
Speaker 1: and the Bible and stuff like that, right, and that
28:01
Speaker 1: those were probably given to her at the church before.
28:04
Speaker 1: I'm thinking that, depending on the position of her parents socioeconomically,
28:10
Speaker 1: the girls probably getting other other presents too. Yeah. Um,
28:16
Speaker 1: but yes, supposedly just the kensior A party is like
28:20
Speaker 1: this is plenty, don't you think. Yeah, But I think
28:23
Speaker 1: the gifts to also are always represent that transition into adulthood.
28:29
Speaker 1: So she's not getting the dolls anymore. She gets maybe
28:33
Speaker 1: some jewelry or ear rings and stuff like that, right,
28:36
Speaker 1: stuff to deliver her into womanhood. And then guests are
28:39
Speaker 1: also giving gifts as well, and her party favors the
28:42
Speaker 1: way that the whole thing set up, even though the
28:44
Speaker 1: community like um might have people that chip in her
28:47
Speaker 1: family members or whatever. The parents are saying like, come
28:51
Speaker 1: help celebrate our our daughter's transition into womanhood. Right, So
28:55
Speaker 1: the party as men is like a gift for the guests,
28:59
Speaker 1: and and so the thing is kind of meant to
29:03
Speaker 1: be like come and get your eat on and your
29:05
Speaker 1: drink on and just have a lot of fun. The
29:08
Speaker 1: thing is part of that welcomeness and that inclusiveness and
29:13
Speaker 1: that you know, please come and be a part of
29:15
Speaker 1: this um. That backfired really hard for this one couple.
29:21
Speaker 1: Have you heard about Ruby Abara Garcia? Oh my, So,
29:26
Speaker 1: Ruby Abara Garcia turned fifteen on December nineteen, year two
29:31
Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen, okay, just like a year or so ago.
29:35
Speaker 1: And she is from Lahoya, which is in San Luis, Potosi, Mexico,
29:42
Speaker 1: and it's a little tiny town. Two and her parents
29:45
Speaker 1: decided to get with the times and make like a
29:48
Speaker 1: YouTube invitation video invitation to come to um Ruby's Kinsera.
29:54
Speaker 1: But they posted on on YouTube and they didn't put
29:57
Speaker 1: any privacy settings on and it went viral and twenty
30:02
Speaker 1: thousand people from around the world showed up to Ruby's
30:05
Speaker 1: Keen Signetta party in this little town of two hundred.
30:09
Speaker 1: That's kind of great. So right, it was great on
30:11
Speaker 1: the one hand, but if you look at the photos
30:13
Speaker 1: from it, she was very much overwhelming. True was not
30:18
Speaker 1: expecting it. Apparently, like like on Facebook, like over a
30:22
Speaker 1: million people said they were coming, but even still twenty
30:25
Speaker 1: and if you look, there's like all these stands set up,
30:27
Speaker 1: and like people from all over the country and the
30:29
Speaker 1: world chipped in to like feed everybody and make sure
30:32
Speaker 1: everybody had takes or whatever. So the parents said, okay,
30:35
Speaker 1: we're doing this um and they they did it. They
30:39
Speaker 1: they stepped up and and met there there there are
30:43
Speaker 1: they kept their welcome to everybody. I guess as a
30:45
Speaker 1: way to put it, that's kind of great. But I
30:47
Speaker 1: can definitely see on the day that the girl might
30:50
Speaker 1: have been overwhelmed. But I bet she also in retrospect,
30:53
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, I've got one cool story for my life. Now.
30:56
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she's got a big old story and she
30:58
Speaker 1: got a Chevy Volt. Serious. Yeah, I couldn't tell. I
31:04
Speaker 1: literally couldn't tell if you were just being Joki Josh
31:06
Speaker 1: there that was. I didn't even need to be that time.
31:09
Speaker 1: So Chevy got involved, of course. I think her parents
31:12
Speaker 1: gave her that. Oh I figured Chevy was like, hey, no,
31:15
Speaker 1: I think that was I think that was her rigalo
31:19
Speaker 1: surpraise her surprise gift. Yes, and speaking of sour praises,
31:25
Speaker 1: um the that was uni Spanish name, by the way.
31:28
Speaker 1: But speaking of surprises, there's also chuck. Go onto YouTube
31:34
Speaker 1: and type in by a surprais a b A I
31:37
Speaker 1: l e spraisa and just start watching these videos because
31:42
Speaker 1: the Bia surpraise is one of the hallmarks of the
31:45
Speaker 1: Keys and euro Party and they are about as adorable
31:50
Speaker 1: and embarrassing as you can imagine. What what does that mean? Though?
31:53
Speaker 1: What is it? Oh, it's a surprise dance. So it's like,
31:57
Speaker 1: for months ahead of time, the key signer uh and
32:00
Speaker 1: her court will practice a dance that they make up
32:05
Speaker 1: or that they hire like a choreographer, and they will
32:09
Speaker 1: like perform this dance for the guests. It's the surprise dance.
32:12
Speaker 1: It's like part of the kingson era and um, they're
32:17
Speaker 1: they're very cute to watch they do. But they also
32:21
Speaker 1: are really they're very earnest about it too, like they
32:24
Speaker 1: like they practice this dance and they're they're doing it
32:27
Speaker 1: and it's it's very cute. You can also hire Shamblaan's
32:33
Speaker 1: professional ones and they're all like dancers by trade, so
32:37
Speaker 1: they'll they'll like really knock your socks off of your guests.
32:39
Speaker 1: But it's, you know, it's lack in that heart of
32:42
Speaker 1: something you and your friends came up with yourself. Or
32:44
Speaker 1: you could if you had a lot of dough, you
32:46
Speaker 1: could hire a choreographer like Paula Rebduel or something. Yeah. Yeah,
32:49
Speaker 1: like her, she's still choreographing, right, yeah, choreographing, choreographing. Something
32:57
Speaker 1: bad wrong with us today? You got anything else I do?
33:02
Speaker 1: This is a little so oppresso for you. My friend,
33:06
Speaker 1: there was a father in Texas a couple of years
33:09
Speaker 1: ago that spent six a million dollars on his fifteen
33:13
Speaker 1: year old daughter. Oh he uh what's his name here? Uh?
33:18
Speaker 1: He's an attorney named Thomas J. Henry san Antonio. They
33:22
Speaker 1: were very kind of well known family. His daughter Maya
33:25
Speaker 1: is big on Instagram and social media, and she's big
33:29
Speaker 1: into activism, so she's like, you know, she's not just
33:33
Speaker 1: your ordinary teen, although that is kind of ordinary these days, thankfully,
33:38
Speaker 1: to be a well known teen activists well to be active, sure.
33:43
Speaker 1: But at her Kincaneta she had Nick Jonas perform, Pitbull perform. Um.
33:50
Speaker 1: Let me see what else here? A fifty five thousand
33:52
Speaker 1: square foot space that they built. I don't think they
33:56
Speaker 1: built it from scratch, but it does say that it
34:00
Speaker 1: was built. UM purpose built venue. How many guests? Six
34:06
Speaker 1: hundred guests? Man a thirty foot tall cherry trees, a
34:11
Speaker 1: thirty foot tall cherry cheese and full blossom walls of roses,
34:16
Speaker 1: A garden room, the ballroom with butterfly suspended from the ceiling.
34:21
Speaker 1: She wore a Rolando Santana dress, which means nothing to me,
34:25
Speaker 1: but I assume that means it's something. She had her
34:28
Speaker 1: makeup done by Patrick Ta who does the Kardashians. Her
34:31
Speaker 1: photographer was Michelle Obama's photographer and um Thomas Henry and
34:39
Speaker 1: his wife whose name is az Teca, beautiful name. They
34:43
Speaker 1: hired a New York social event planner named David Man.
34:46
Speaker 1: He had a hundred and fifty person team to to
34:49
Speaker 1: plan out this party. And finally they arrived by police
34:53
Speaker 1: escort in nine rolls Royces because why not, why not
34:57
Speaker 1: get the police involved and not to feel too bad
35:00
Speaker 1: for her little brother or I guess maybe it was
35:03
Speaker 1: a big brother. Um, he spent four million dollars on
35:07
Speaker 1: that kid's eighteenth birthday, I believe, o case o praisa,
35:11
Speaker 1: So they have, they dropped ten million bucks on a
35:14
Speaker 1: couple of parties for their kids. Man, and those the
35:20
Speaker 1: girls in Mexico City are happy to to be part
35:23
Speaker 1: of the city wide annual one. Yeah, I wonder what
35:26
Speaker 1: pit Bull got paid for that? A mill? Uh? Maybe
35:31
Speaker 1: I bet Nick Jonas got more than pit Bull, did
35:34
Speaker 1: you think? Yeah? And of course she had her her
35:37
Speaker 1: pictures with both of them, and well I'm sure that
35:40
Speaker 1: was part of it. It's like, yeah, man, all right,
35:44
Speaker 1: well that is something. What's her name, Maya? Yeah, Henry, Oh,
35:49
Speaker 1: I gotta look that up. Um, if you want to
35:52
Speaker 1: know more about kein Signetta as well, just show up
35:56
Speaker 1: the one uninvited. See see how that goes. You know,
36:00
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