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The Late Debate | 1 July · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait wait, general, Welcome to the Late Debates. Good evening
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  Speaker 1: and welcome to the show. I'm Frey Leach, joined by
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  Speaker 1: Holly Hughes and Joe Hildebrand filling in for Caleb Bond
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  Speaker 1: and James McPherson. Here's what's coming up on the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 1: Pay rises kick in four millions of bossies, but so
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  Speaker 1: do the Bills Council, backlash over a popular women's only
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  Speaker 1: space being handed to one religious group, plus the UK
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  Speaker 1: government's plan to put solar panels on lakes and locals
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  Speaker 1: can't object. We start the show with good news tonight
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  Speaker 1: for millions of Australian workers. From today, the Fair Work
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  Speaker 1: Commission's decision to increase National minimum wage takes effect. The
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  Speaker 1: minimum wage is going to be increased by three point
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  Speaker 1: five percent, with the hourly rate rising to twenty four
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  Speaker 1: dollars and ninety four cents. While this is undeniably great
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  Speaker 1: news for the three million people working on the minimum wage,
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  Speaker 1: other things are also going up this financial year. Your
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  Speaker 1: power bills, tax on your super the cost of sending letters,
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  Speaker 1: internet prices and new vehicles thanks to Labour's ute tax. So, Holly,
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  Speaker 1: while this is great news, is it really enough, and
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  Speaker 1: you also think about the three years we've had where
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  Speaker 1: we've seen declining living standards, falling real wages. Three point
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  Speaker 1: five percent is nice, but it's.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing because it's really not competing with inflation in the
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  Speaker 2: real world. And we know that we're saying increasing costs
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  Speaker 2: across the board, whether it's at the checkout, whether it's
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  Speaker 2: your energy bills or at the petrol bowser. Things are
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  Speaker 2: just going up, up and up all the time, and
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  Speaker 2: Australian families are really struggling. But what worries me about
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  Speaker 2: this is there's been such a slump in productivity and
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  Speaker 2: this wage increase hasn't been tied to it, and the
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  Speaker 2: imposts that it's going to have on a particularly a
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  Speaker 2: lot of small businesses that are struggling as it is
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  Speaker 2: and battling with these costs, particularly their energy costs, that
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  Speaker 2: this is just going to be another addition cost for
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  Speaker 2: them without them necessarily saying boosts in productivity, cuts to
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  Speaker 2: red tape, all of those things are just increasing for them.
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  Speaker 3: I think.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you can say, all right, other things are
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  Speaker 4: going up as well, but it's worse if they go.
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  Speaker 3: Up and the minimum wage doesn't go up.
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  Speaker 4: Surely, and again you can say that it's nothing really,
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  Speaker 4: but it's fifteen hundred bucks a year more one five
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  Speaker 4: hundred dollars a year. That's going to be enough to
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  Speaker 4: make up the difference in the increase in most people's
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  Speaker 4: power bills, especially with the government things. So I think,
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  Speaker 4: you know, we can kind of get a bit too
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  Speaker 4: doom and gloom. Oh everything's terrible, the government's ruined everything,
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  Speaker 4: blah blah blah. Actually inflation has come right down in.
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  Speaker 3: The last figures.
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  Speaker 4: It's at the very bottom end of the RBA's target bandit.
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  Speaker 4: I think it was about two point one and the
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  Speaker 4: bandmid's two point three two to three percent, So you
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  Speaker 4: actually can't get a more perfect figure that is exactly
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  Speaker 4: where the RBA wants it to be. And these are,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the lowest paid workers. They're often unskilled workers.
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  Speaker 4: There's probably not much scope for them to increase their productivity.
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  Speaker 4: They're they're slacing it out as hard as they can
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  Speaker 4: as it is. It's probably the workers in the middlehood.
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  Speaker 4: So I think I think it's great.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, show's optimistic. I love that, but I guess the
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  Speaker 1: problem is here. The thing with inflation is that even
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  Speaker 1: if inflation itself is not going up. That is just
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  Speaker 1: the rate of change. The prices have still gone.
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  Speaker 5: And they're not going back down and they're not going
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  Speaker 5: back down.
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  Speaker 2: And so when we did say those big jumps in inflation,
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  Speaker 2: we saw the prices went up, whether or it was
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  Speaker 2: at the supermarket, we saw in energy bills.
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  Speaker 5: We're not seeing them come back down inflation.
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  Speaker 2: They might be growing at a slower rate now, but
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  Speaker 2: they're still growing.
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  Speaker 3: So wage increases should be right.
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  Speaker 5: Look what totality and the reality is that.
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  Speaker 2: Can businesses afford because they're having their superannuation imposts go up,
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  Speaker 2: they're having all the increases go up on the and
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  Speaker 2: their energy bills, and we know many many businesses are
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  Speaker 2: finding stresses under that, and that we know that these
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  Speaker 2: businesses aren't getting the trade going through.
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  Speaker 5: And what's going to be then.
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  Speaker 1: And also exactly a good point and where are these
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  Speaker 1: wage rises coming from? This is a centrally determined decision
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  Speaker 1: by the Fair Work Commission. This is not coming from productivity,
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  Speaker 1: it's not coming from innovation. It's coming from from a
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  Speaker 1: centrally determined wage setting, which means who's going to pick
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  Speaker 1: up the slack fruit. We're already seeing record small business insolvencies.
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  Speaker 1: Many are operating on raizor thin margins even and and
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  Speaker 1: labor costs are one of the costs that have gone
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  Speaker 1: up substantially since the pandemic were a corresponding for in productivity.
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  Speaker 1: So it's great for some, but does it risk doing
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  Speaker 1: more damage to the economy overall.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's great for more than it's not great for.
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  Speaker 4: There are more people on the minimum wage than are
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  Speaker 4: employing people on the minimum wage. So if you're looking
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  Speaker 4: for the greatest good for the great.
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  Speaker 1: Those businesses can't operate, then they won't have jumbe.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think most of them do. And most
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  Speaker 4: of all business are very resilient. And if you just
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  Speaker 4: sort of say, you know, if.
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  Speaker 5: Your position is, they should be put to the test.
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  Speaker 4: But if you're saying, oh they should if no legal
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  Speaker 4: minimum wage, it should just be whatever the market, you know,
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  Speaker 4: can bear market.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think anyone seriously thinks that. I think it's
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  Speaker 4: good that we have a minimum wages while we have
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  Speaker 4: such an advanced economy. The vast majority of business is
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  Speaker 4: big and small can and will accommodate this, And I
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  Speaker 4: think it's fantastic.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think that the problem is it's so much broader
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  Speaker 2: than one particular issue, and unless we start getting serious
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  Speaker 2: about looking at the five thousand additional pieces of red
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  Speaker 2: tape that this government's introduced, the cost of doing business
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  Speaker 2: is out of control.
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  Speaker 5: And just adding.
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  Speaker 2: More to those bills for small business and medium sized
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  Speaker 2: business owners. You know, you've got to make sure you
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  Speaker 2: get those leavers right because the unemployment rates have been
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  Speaker 2: really good, but that doesn't mean they're going to stay
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  Speaker 2: that way.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. So true. Well, a council run women's rest refuge
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  Speaker 1: is being handed to an all male Islamic organization. Canterbury
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  Speaker 1: Bankstown Council will pay the Lebanese Muslim Association to take
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  Speaker 1: over the rest center. They're going to provide more culturally
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  Speaker 1: appropriate services, including family mediation by a shaikh, reports The
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  Speaker 1: Daily Telegraph. The center has been a safe space for
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  Speaker 1: women to meet and care for their babies since the
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  Speaker 1: sixties and more than one hundred and seventy women use
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  Speaker 1: it each week now. For me, this decision raises a
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  Speaker 1: number of concerns. Firstly, the Lebanese Muslim Association has links
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  Speaker 1: with fundamentalist Islamic organization. His book to reer. They jointly
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  Speaker 1: hosted an outrage rally on the one year anniversary of
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  Speaker 1: the October seven terrorist attacks by Hermas, and that leads
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  Speaker 1: to my second concern. Will the center under Islamic leadership
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  Speaker 1: operate according to Islamic law? Under Sharia law, we know
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  Speaker 1: a woman's testimony is worth half that of a man.
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  Speaker 1: Women are not treated well. And then finally, ratepayer funded
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  Speaker 1: women centers, surely they should be religiously neutral. This just
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  Speaker 1: seems so wrong on so many levels.
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  Speaker 2: You read stories sometimes that just give you the eke,
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  Speaker 2: and this is one of them. And you know, I
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  Speaker 2: really feel for the women that use this center. I'm
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  Speaker 2: one of those terrible Western women who breastfeed my babies
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  Speaker 2: when I was out for lunch or wherever, and you.
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  Speaker 5: Know, wasn't particularly fuss.
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  Speaker 2: But we know, particularly Muslim women, those that are wearing
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  Speaker 2: much more modest dress, they're not going to be particularly comfortable.
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  Speaker 5: I think if the shake's in.
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  Speaker 2: There somehow, breastfeeding the baby under the burker, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how that works, but you know, it is concerning
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  Speaker 2: that a council funded place is going to start taking
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  Speaker 2: on a religious flavor. And I think the fact that
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  Speaker 2: it is a women's rest area, and that to me
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  Speaker 2: says it all that this is a place that the
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  Speaker 2: women go, and when you have babies and have children
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  Speaker 2: running around, there's certain thing Mums want to talk to
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  Speaker 2: each other about things that are going on with your
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  Speaker 2: own body, with your own babies and different things, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that losing that place is going to
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  Speaker 2: help those women at all.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an interesting one. I think.
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  Speaker 4: I cannot wait to see how this plays out. But
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  Speaker 4: I think that to be honest, the more banal store
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  Speaker 4: I think it is, Canory Banks down is pretty cash strapped,
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  Speaker 4: and they felt that it was just cheaper to let
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  Speaker 4: someone else run this center. I'm not sure how intensively
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  Speaker 4: used it was, and I very much think it's not
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  Speaker 4: really going to be a women's center for very long.
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  Speaker 4: I think the words that they've sort of used, oh yes,
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  Speaker 4: we're going to have a focus on women's stuff, but.
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  Speaker 2: Family mediation that sort of sounds like a nice word
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  Speaker 2: for shari divorce.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think it'll just be a sort of
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  Speaker 4: broader sort of community center that will kind of morph
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  Speaker 4: into something that I suspect won't be particularly when's focused.
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  Speaker 4: But I cannot wait for Just think about all the
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  Speaker 4: future controversies that go. I mean personally, you know, how
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  Speaker 4: are the women who use the place going to be treated?
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  Speaker 4: They're going to be able to breastfeed? Are they going
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  Speaker 4: to be able to you know, if they're going to
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  Speaker 4: have women's only spaces they go, what happens if a
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  Speaker 4: trans woman decides that she wants to be able to
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  Speaker 4: use this.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure that's going to be but I think
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  Speaker 2: someone this is going to be the ultimate quiz for
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  Speaker 2: Palestine ben diagram.
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  Speaker 3: This is where the rubber hits the road. It is
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  Speaker 3: all going.
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  Speaker 2: You need to know these people, Joe, because you know,
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  Speaker 2: the Labor Party.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know about a couple of calls.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm sure you could probably get much. Maybe we
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  Speaker 2: should get them out.
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  Speaker 4: They're very much more green than a labor But again,
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  Speaker 4: you know, there's this idea that oh no, you know,
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  Speaker 4: everyone's you know, and there's one big progressive omni cause
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  Speaker 4: and we're all on the same page. The women said
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  Speaker 4: to run by the Lebanese Muslim Association, I think is
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  Speaker 4: the perfect Petri dish, to the perfect experiment.
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  Speaker 3: To see if all of this works.
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  Speaker 4: And I just think throwing a few trans issues just
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  Speaker 4: to help first century.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think there's also another element here where
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  Speaker 1: multiculturalism only works if we have a shared culture, shared values,
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  Speaker 1: shared experiences, shared community. And the risk here as we
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  Speaker 1: see cities moving in frankly, a more segregated direction, where
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  Speaker 1: you have people indifferent, be they religious, be their ethnic
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  Speaker 1: communities that are separate from one another, you will start
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  Speaker 1: to see a breakdown in that social fabric. And I
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  Speaker 1: think it's so important for our country and our city
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  Speaker 1: that we have opportunities to meet with one another, especially
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  Speaker 1: as women, as new mothers, and if you have an
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  Speaker 1: overtly rate payer funded religious women center, you risk losing
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  Speaker 1: that well.
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  Speaker 2: I think, you know, when you talk about multiculturalism, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not one hundred percent sure multiculturalism has actually worked. When
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  Speaker 2: you think about some of the first wave, whether you know,
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  Speaker 2: we've got a lot of Italians and the Greeks, and
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  Speaker 2: then in the Vietnamese that came through after Vietnam War,
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  Speaker 2: there was more of an assimilation that came through. They
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  Speaker 2: bought their culture, but also introduce their culture much more
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  Speaker 2: I think to the Australian population and it's become a
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  Speaker 2: part of our culture.
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  Speaker 4: But at the time, that is exactly what people said
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  Speaker 4: about the Vietnamese and the Greeks and the Italians. They said,
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  Speaker 4: they don't belong here, They're not like us. You know,
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  Speaker 4: they're just going to start gang wars and everything. I remember,
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  Speaker 4: I remember when you know, the Vietnamese gang wars were
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  Speaker 4: destroying Sydney.
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  Speaker 3: And Terian paperata.
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  Speaker 4: We're saying the exact same gal there, and a generation
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  Speaker 4: later that that problem has been ameliorated. And people said
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  Speaker 4: the same thing about the Lebanese that came here and
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  Speaker 4: that will go away as well.
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  Speaker 5: And again they're not religious.
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  Speaker 2: This is a religious point of difference, and I think
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  Speaker 2: that's a really significant difference here. We're not talking about
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  Speaker 2: cultural in the sense of the country that you're coming
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  Speaker 2: from and bringing traditions from your your country's culture. You're
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  Speaker 2: actually talking about religion, and you're looking at them trying
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  Speaker 2: to bring you know, converts across the radicalization of the youth.
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  Speaker 2: It's actually religion.
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  Speaker 3: That's a normal.
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  Speaker 5: I think the religious side of it is very dangerous.
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  Speaker 4: Any can I decide that women Santa was already excluding men,
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  Speaker 4: so it wasn't actually very fours started with, well.
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  Speaker 1: It will be interesting to see how the Council navigates
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  Speaker 1: this one. But a world leaning study from Edith Cowan
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  Speaker 1: University has found that certain migrant communities are having more
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  Speaker 1: sons than daughters, suggesting it's likely due to sex selective abortions.
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  Speaker 1: It's been reported in the Australian that Indian and Chinese
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  Speaker 1: mothers have a substantially higher abortion rate in early pregnancy
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  Speaker 1: than their Australian born counterparts. For third children, Indian born
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  Speaker 1: mothers gave birth to one hundred and eighteen boys for
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  Speaker 1: every one hundred girls, while for Chinese born mothers they
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  Speaker 1: had one hundred and fifteen boys for every one hundred girls.
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  Speaker 1: Australian born mothers had a much more normal distribution of
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  Speaker 1: genders at one hundred and five boys for every hundred girls. Now,
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  Speaker 1: when you're undergoing things like IVF, you can't sell elect
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  Speaker 1: for sex. But now most parents or many parents find
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  Speaker 1: out the gender of the baby at around ten weeks,
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  Speaker 1: and in most states you can access abortion for any
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  Speaker 1: reason up to twenty four weeks. That window there when
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  Speaker 1: parents know the gender of the baby and then can
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  Speaker 1: access abortion for any reason whatsoever, And there are no
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  Speaker 1: safeguards around sex selective abortions before twenty four weeks. That
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  Speaker 1: opens up this can of worms that is seeing thousands
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  Speaker 1: of girls go unborn in Australia. Now, Joe, this is
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  Speaker 1: a really hard one because obviously a born is a
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  Speaker 1: very hotly debated ethical issue. But I think whether you
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  Speaker 1: are a pro life or pro choice, surely, as a
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  Speaker 1: matter of women's equality of equal rights to life, boys
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  Speaker 1: and girls should have equal chance at being born, and
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  Speaker 1: sex selective caution is just evil.
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  Speaker 3: I think it is.
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  Speaker 4: Actually, I think it's pretty sick, although I think from
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  Speaker 4: the cultural viewpoint of where a lot of these people
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  Speaker 4: have come from, it would seem very very normal. We
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  Speaker 4: know that the ancient Spartans used to take female babies
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  Speaker 4: and leave them to the elements, and so they could
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  Speaker 4: have a race of warrior warrior, a warrior cast In China,
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  Speaker 4: of course, you had the one child policy, and that
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  Speaker 4: meant that if your one and only child was a girl,
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  Speaker 4: then you were much less likely to be able to
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  Speaker 4: rely on because of the way the society was structured,
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  Speaker 4: you were less likely to be able to rely on
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  Speaker 4: that girl being able to grow up into someone who
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: would be able to earn enough money to take care
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  Speaker 4: of parents. In old age, and so you had these
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  Speaker 4: huge you had this huge, almost industrial scale thing where
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  Speaker 4: you know, female infanticide or abortion, and they were just disappearing.
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  Speaker 4: And of course this suited the government perfectly well. But
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  Speaker 4: more boys would also help control and slow the population great.
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  Speaker 4: So I think it is really really creepy. Where do
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  Speaker 4: you draw the line. Do you then say, all right,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I want a baby with blue eyes and
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  Speaker 4: blonde hair so they can go off and join the
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  Speaker 4: Hitler youth. I mean, once you start playing god like this,
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  Speaker 4: I think it's a really slippery scores exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And there are now thirty million fewer women in China
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  Speaker 1: than men because of sex leftive abortion. It got so
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  Speaker 1: bad that even as far back as the nineties, in
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  Speaker 1: the early two thousands, the Chinese government actually banned pre
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  Speaker 1: natal gender screening for non medical purposes because this was
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  Speaker 1: such an issue and they knew where this would lead demographically. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: human trafficking is now an issue.
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  Speaker 5: People.
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  Speaker 1: You have all these men who are literally like searching
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  Speaker 1: for a wife. They will not be able to have
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  Speaker 1: their own families. This seems just shocking that this is
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  Speaker 1: coming to Australia.
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  Speaker 2: And again this is talking in the similar vein to
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  Speaker 2: what we were just talking about when the cultures come
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  Speaker 2: here and really assimilating as a part of our culture,
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  Speaker 2: because you know, we do like women have the same
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  Speaker 2: opportunities and should have the same opportunities as boys. There's
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  Speaker 2: plenty of successful women out there.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, do you know what?
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  Speaker 5: I actually missed what you said?
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  Speaker 1: And I'm starting.
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  Speaker 3: Party. Got Susan there, Susan there.
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  Speaker 2: Look, sorry, you know, uncalled for on the day of Shade,
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  Speaker 2: my first day of freedom.
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  Speaker 3: I know, happy, happy, happy liberation.
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  Speaker 5: But no, I mean, look, this is.
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  Speaker 2: Where the cultures aren't aren't blending and aren't yelling because
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  Speaker 2: you know, there should be as much value, of course
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  Speaker 2: put on the life of a baby girl as a
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  Speaker 2: baby boy. They're beautiful when they're teenagers, it's a whole
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  Speaker 2: different matter.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, culture jelling just because this happened is terrible.
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  Speaker 5: That part of it that they're bringing that culture.
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  Speaker 2: And that belief that boys are somehow going to look
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  Speaker 2: after the family, boys are going to do not all
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  Speaker 2: boys are going to but.
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  Speaker 1: It's at a level that is statistically significant, and in
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  Speaker 1: home countries, in China and in India, you now have
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  Speaker 1: a generation of missing women millions that don't exist. So
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we have to make much more so.
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  Speaker 3: Than over here, which is suggests that they are assimilating.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Yes, but we can't. We can't let this go unchecked.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: I need to call it out where we see it.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: And I would also argue put in more safeguards to
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: make sure sex selective abortions.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: One hundred percent spot on either those gender reveals in
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: the in the ultrasounds, so you know, you could.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: Be maybe you just have no one get to know,
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: don't get to know every single is a surprise.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Well that's what they tried in China and it did
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: reverse the trend a little bit. But we've talked on
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: this show a fair bit about AI and how it's
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: going to revolutionize the way we do so many things.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: But one magazine in Europe has found this out, particularly
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: the Belgian editions of El and Marie Claire and a
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: bunch of other popular women's magazines have been using AI
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: to write hundreds of articles that they then published under
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: the names of fake journalists. One of their journalists is
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Sophie Vermullin, who's written a whopping four hundred and three
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: articles for l Online just this year. Four articles in
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: six months. Her profile says she's always ready to inspire
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: you with fascinating stories and practical tips. The only problem
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: is her profile, her photo, and all of her four
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: hundred articles are completely AI generated and none of this
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: was disclosed.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: Holly, that's the dangerous part.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: I think if people are open and honest and say,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: you know, my husband and I went and looked at
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: a house on the weekend and it said in the
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: ad that it was AI generated photos. Yeah, it was
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: pretty significant in the way the photo had been altered
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: and didn't look anything in real life versus the AI
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: was very, very different. But you've got to be upfront
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: with that that this is AI generated. When we look
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: at AI, this is the next industrial revolution. If we're
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: not preparing ourselves for what change is going to come
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: and how it's going to impact in the white collar
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: jobs more and more, this is where we're going to
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: see the change, where those jobs are going to disappear.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: And this is a great example of what could happen.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, you and I were on something the other
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: day and I had to do a description and asked
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: to give it ten words on me, and it was incredible.
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: I mean, look I'd almost hire myself reading.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: Don't find that profound I find that profoundly disturbed. Like, firstly,
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: to be honest, I think it's actually almost the middle
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: class has come up, because typically the middle class has
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: been the last people kind of hit by massive industrial change,
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: and it's always been the working class who are the
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: ones who've had to be put out of work with
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: the massive climate change at zero transformation, it's overwhelmingly working
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: class people who are being forced to sacrifice their jobs
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: on the altar of progress or whatever it's called. And
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: now it's our turn, and I think we're seeing how
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: scary it can birt.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting that you bring up the white collar
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: jobs because a one psychonic Dutch car navigation company, Tom Tom,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: is laying off ten percent of their workforce, which is
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: three hundred jobs, so they can embrace AI. It does
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: raise the question is this the beginning of mass unemployment
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: in white collar jobs. The co founder of Magellan, which
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: is a big global investment firm started here in Australia,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: has given a grim warning about AI. He thinks we
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: could see the stock market collapse by up to seventy
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: percent in the next decade as AI disrupts all sorts
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: of businesses and leads to mass unemployment. The mass unemployment
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: will lead to mass poverty, less demand and the economy
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: and an overall shrinking And I don't think, Joe, we've
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: really come to terms with what this might mean.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: No, that's exactly right, and I think there will be
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: I think will have an absolutely devastating effect. We've already
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: seen a phenomenon with and I know that many people
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: who have been the beneficiaries of it, of basically people
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: with arts degrees creating their own jobs, creating their own
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: industries for them, and and that you can see it
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: right across the sort of you know, not for not
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: for profit sector, the non governmental sector, whether all these
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: organizations that just sort of exist to make us a
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: better world or something like that, but don't actually seem
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: to have any economic output. But again, so I think,
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: strangely enough, those are the kind of organizations that might
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: be kind of exempt from this, and again that's kind
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: of unfair.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: So you will have this elite that is exempt.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Journalists again, practical journalists, the journals who go out day
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: and day out and get yarns, court journals, I reckon
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: sports journos, could be really really effected.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: Because I can only bring up what's already been that's right.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: But you could put a court you could put a
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: court judgment. You could put it to be out to.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Court judgment through a chatbot and it will write in
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: a conversational, newsworthy way what that court judgment says. It
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: will be able to automatically center itself for any any
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: court orders. It would automatically legal itself.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: And one of the key jobs that will be disrupted
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: are those administrative based roles like paralegals. I have a
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: friend who did an internship at a big Australian tech
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: startup and they said they weren't taking on graduates the
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: following year because it was all being automated with AI.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: These are the smartest data science graduates from a top
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Australian universities and they can't get jobs in Australian tech
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: companies because AI is literally replacing everything.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: It's just I was just so ironic that just a
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: couple of years ago we were pushing kids into stand
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: you've got to have to go and get these sort
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: of engineering jobs.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: It turns out it was a cliff Yeah.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: It turns out that that's.
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: What makes you unemployed?
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: I just asked before we go, what did AI say
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: you were?
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: You were so fabulous.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: I'm very influential, I'm conservative, sometimes controversial. Everyone should google themselves,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: its gpt themselves.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: I'm not ready for that now.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I did my husband if he didn't come up at all,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: and he said, see how boring I am.
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: I don't even have a five public profile.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: A bit of late debate homework for you right there. Well,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: now it's time for thee.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: The day.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Is that new our dope of the day. That is
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: a new scene right here on the Late de Bay.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: What started as a reckless internet trend has taken a
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: very serious turn over the weekend in Dubai, former NRL
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: star Stephen Proctor was knocked out cold in a run
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: it straight competition.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Run It.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: He does not look very well, so as you can
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: gather from that clip, this trend is literally two people
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: completely no protective equipment whatsoever, and the whole point is
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: that they run into each other at full speed. That's
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: the extent of it. And just last month a teenager
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: in New Zealand died doing this exact thing. But despite
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: the tragedy, there is now a league for this sport.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I guess we might be able to call it the
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: run It League. And they're pushing ahead with a competition
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: that will award two hundred thousand dollars in prize money. Naturally,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: medical experts are alarmed by what is essentially commercializing serious
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: concussion and injury. And what's worse is that many of
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: the participants in these challenges appear intoxicated. Now, we always
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: talk about male grain have.
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: To be intoxicated to do that. I thought that would
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: have been a.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Compulsory part of the criteria or a serious many young.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Men andously underdeveloped prefundal cortex for these young men.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: But this just looks like Darwin isn't in action, like
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: it is just this is insane. Is this why we
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: need more boys? Like, honestly, this is what we're getting.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: It's just the dumbest thing in the world.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: Yes, this is Kevin Proctor, not Steven, although thinks his
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: name is Steven now and it is just so phenomenally
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: phenomenally stupid. I mean, firstly, as if there's not enough
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: of that in rugby league already, I mean, people are
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: already talking about the long term brain im pacts and
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: playing contact sport and I'm not a wowser like that.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: You get plenty of that, You get plenty of contact.
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: Brains now, and that's dammy.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: You get plenty of contact in footy already. You don't
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: need to go out looking for it, say oh, you
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: know what's missing?
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: You know, we know.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: What would be really great about football is if we
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: just took away the football and just ran into each other.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Got a football.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: One of them is carrying a football because I don't
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: know why.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: But it's just for shows. They're not we're not.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Trying to score or anything like that, just charging into
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: each other.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: And I love the fact that they've got all.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: These guys with sort of lanyards like standing around in
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: uniforms like, oh, don't worry, it's okay, it's official here
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: if you do. I'm a doctor, that's rights. My caveat is, yes,
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: let them do whatever they want, but you do not
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: get access to any medical care on the taxpayer dime
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: for any injuries that are incurred with you deliberately putting
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: your head on the line just so you can look
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: like a knob.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: And the idea that this is now going global as
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: a new sporting league is frankly absurd. But what else
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: is absurd is what the UK government is trying to
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: do to achieve NETS zero by twenty to fifty. They
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: say the number of solar panels in the UK has
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: to quadruple. So where are they going to put these
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: monstrosities lakes and reservoirs? Yes, you heard that correctly. The
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: UK Energy Secretary wants to put solar panels on the
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: UK's lakes and reservoirs and make it more difficult for
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: locals to object. I mean, that is hideous, Holly, but
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: doesn't this just show the true glass of net zeros.
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: This is just laughable.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: When are people going to wake up and see what
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: is going on?
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: And if it's happening in the UK, trust me.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Chris Bowen's watching tonight, I'm sure he is never missus show.
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: Here'll be thinking what a great idea.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I'd never thought of the damn so I didn't think
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: about putting solar panels out on Sydney Harbor.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: But here they come. They'll be here next But we.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Don't need to. This is the thing.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: Look, I don't know how to break it to people
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: in the UK, but you've been living there for long enough,
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: you know what the weather's like, solar powers just ain't
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: for you. Solar panels just they are not your golden
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: ticket out of there.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: This is just you have many great strengths.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: I am a great lover and friend of the United
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: Kingdom and as a great student of student of English history,
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: but the sun is not your strong point.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Well, and it's just economic suicide for Britain. They are
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: zero point nine percent of global emissions while they are
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: impoverishing their own citizens monetarily and also polluting their views
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: with these hideous solar panels on beautiful lakes and reservoirs.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: China is building two new coal fire power plants every
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: single week. They're increasing their emissions. Can you just imagine them.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Out the front building about the front of downtown Abbey
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: and then you look out at the beautiful the lake
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: out the front, and it's covered in solar panels made
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: by the Wigas using modern slavery Chinese inverters there that
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: make sure that China can control them all.
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: So yeah, win win, win, win win.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Like, seriously, when are people going to wake up to
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: this insanity?
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: And renewables are also apparently quite dangerous. Some image out
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: of Maryland in the UK shows a wind turbine which
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: fell well being transported and crashed into a road with traffic.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: I think that's just a blade from the window, one
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: bland blade. That's amazing, you just I find it just
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: quite mind blowing. How just big, enormously huge they are.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: That's all right.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: Lots of big things are good, like the big pineapple,
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: the big marino, the big wind.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Turbine, wind turbine blades on roads.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: The big wind turbine blades that are not biodegradable that
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: will go to landfill. You that use an enormous amount
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: of carbon to create, and it is just a complete
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: and utter fallacy.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: You put a little circular staircase around them and make
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: it a tourist attraction.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Then stick it next to the big marino.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: I saw the dead birds just dropping from the sky.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Let's not do that. But in your report into anti
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Semitism at Harvard University, released by the Trump administration, reveals
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: shocking levels of hatred the Jewish students have had to
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: experience while the university willfully ignored it. The report says
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Jewish students were spat on for wearing yamakahs, they were
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: stalked and subjected to chance of Chile Hitler. It's unbelievable stuff.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Trump's Anti Semitism task Force wrote to the university, warning
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: that if they don't implement institutional changes, their federal funding
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: would be at risk. Now, Harvard received nearly eight hundred
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: million dollars from the federal government since twenty twenty three.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: We've seen this war between Trump and Harvard going on
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: now really since the President took office. But this report
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: shows conclusively, without a doubt that this hatred being reported
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: by Jewish students. It's not just people complaining, it's not
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: just snowflakes winging. This is real, This is serious, and
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Harvard has ignored it. Well.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, they're not a line, you know, they're not the
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: lone ranger, and they're not the lone ranger in the US.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: We've seen it here at home, and it's completely unacceptable.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Sydney University has now got demands from those that had
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: the pro Palestinian camp with their investments, telling them what
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: they need to divest themselves of to make these pro
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Palestinian protest is happy, which of course we know they
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: will never be happy because there will be the new
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: cause of d jure. But this is appalling, and we
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: know what's happening. I think Trump should hit them with
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: the federal funding. Hit universities where it hurts, and that's
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: the funding levels. I'd be interested to know too, how
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: many buildings around Harvard have been donated by families of
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: former students or former students that have Jewish sounding surnames,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: because I have a feeling there might be a couple
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: and some of those universities might start to see their
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: funding reservoirs driver up. And a lot of those universities
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: in the States are particularly reliant on their alumni.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: Contributing to them.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: And you know, former Jewish student of Harvard, I wouldn't
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: be giving them much.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Well, Harvard is a private university.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: I don't understand why it's getting any taxpayer US taxpayer
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: money at all.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: And they have a.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Multi billion dollar endowment exactly right, and again much of
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: which would.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: Have come from wealthy Jewish families who would have donated
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: to it. Have you noticed, though, it is always the
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: most elite universe, is where this the most prevous, This violence,
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: this this this hatred, this nastiness, this extremism is always
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: the most prevalent. And he's always and as a tale
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: as old as time itself, and it goes all the
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: way back. You know, Karl Marx and Frederick Engels. You know,
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: they had their own vineyards and factories and everything. These
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: people were not the working class, but the most extreme,
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: the most radical are always the most overprivileged, just you know,
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: soft handed, lily livid and noodle armed, little tofts who
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: have too much time on their hands, don't have to
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: go out and get a real job, and have decided
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: that they're going to embrace that's but also try to
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: make themselves more interesting a bit like you know, the
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: acts of.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Glassenbriga going to show court they are because they're totally
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: into bals done the other thing that is really good fun.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: Well not if you're experiencing it.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: But again, every single time any of this comes up,
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: you'll always hear people say, oh, no, we're not anti Jewish,
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: or we're not anti Semitic, we're just anti Zionist, or
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: we're just anti Israel. So why you're spitting on tr
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: just because they're wearing a yarmaca. Again, it just falls
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: apart immediately. Did you spit on them after you had
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: and a half hour debate about the price, and if
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: it's a two state solution. No, it spit on them
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: cause Jewish and I reckon. That is another thing as well,
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: which is that it's a way for again overprivileged little
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: twis who just want to be radical and crazy because
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: there's it's something I call the outraged trdess. So you
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: have a certain type of person at a certain age,
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: i e. Rich and young, who wants to be outraged
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: about something, has no actual oppression, wants to be able
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: to sort of embrace someone else's sort of piggyback on
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: someone else's depression so they can look like a freedom
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: fighter and look like a hero and show everyone how
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: smart or aware or virtuous or woke they are.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: And it doesn't matter what the issue is.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: All that matters is the outrage that they have, and
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: it has to go into it. And as there's less
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: and less actual genuine outrage and less and less racis
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: my home of it gets channeled into a small and
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: smaller thing.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: But it like less than ten years ago, forty nine
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: people were killed in a gay nightclub in the US
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: because an islam that's when he was outrage about anti
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: tvt stands. And now those exact same people who were
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: up in arms.
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: There are now out there pro.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: To stying these people just so they don't have values,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: because it's just whatever course to sure they can find.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: And my concern with universities is they are a microcosm
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: for what our country will become. Alban Ezi started as
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: a left wing activist on campus at Sydney University.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: Now is it mainstream center prime minister governing for all Australia.
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: You know what, wy the AI takes his job only
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: probably do better.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: But this is the worry, right I've sat. I just
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: I recently graduated from university and I've been in student
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: meetings where there were seven hundred students present in the auditorium.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I moved an amendmental emotion saying we need to condemn
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Hamas and condemn October seven, and it was voted down
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: seven hundred to ten. And that gives you a picture
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: of where things stand on the campus. And I do
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: accept that young people have always been progressive, but now
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: it is I think it is worse. It is more vicious,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: it is more hate filled. And because people just get
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: all their news from TikTok and social media, they're never
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: exposed to any opposing views. They end up in this
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: echo chamber of hatred, and that is a symbol of
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: where we're headed as a country.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: And that's the reflection, and that's the real worry.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: And you know, hopefully they're all studying data engineering a
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: job and that will disappear because AI is going to
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: come and take their jobs.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: They're not campaigning for the universal basic wage.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: So exactly. Well, coming up after the break, we'll bring
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: you tomorrow's papers. Today, sex offenders and criminals are winning
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: the rights to work with children. Stay tuned, Welcome back
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: to the papers. Let's dive into tomorrow's copy of the
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Daily Telegraph. The headline is creeps in the classroom working
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: with children. Checks are being granted to sex offenders and
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: criminals so they can teach in classrooms and alongside miners
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: through successful appeals to the state's administrative tributal. Now that's
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: all on the cover of tomorrow's paper, so I'll be
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: keen to read what the rest of that article says.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: But it is shocking.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: It's just such a warped priority of whose rights are
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: more important in this situation. You know, is it the
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: right of someone to get a job working in a
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: primary school, or is it the rights of all those
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: children attending the primary school.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: It should be prioritized here.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: And by looking at that, you start to think we've
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: once again got our priorities around the wrong way. And
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm sorry, you just nah, you don't put
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: sex offendors. We've got that awful case in Victoria now
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: with twelve hundred kids having to be tested for STDs
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: and we're talking babies from five months. No no, no,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: no no, And whoever is saying that it's okay should
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: have their positions reviewed at.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: The Well, that's the whole thing, isn't it. It's there.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: It's the government's trying to do the right thing and
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: it's banning them, and then they're appealing it, and they're
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: going to the administrative appeals tribute or whatever it's called state,
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: which are always which are always that's right, and there's
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: state there's for everyone as well as each state has
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: one these sort of quisi judicial bodies. They're often kind
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: of jobs for the boys, like you know, you know
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: said you know, and and they're almost invariably kind of
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: Santa Claus courts, which will just give the appellent whatever
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: they want because either and you know, well court courts
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: are bad enough doing that sort of stuff as well.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: But but they but I think because there is that
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: sort of lack of really sort of hard nosed judicial rigor,
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: and it is a bit more like a kind of
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: less foremost sort of hearing.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: Okay, right, just don't go.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: You know, here's here's your school check, here's your bus
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: driver appearance.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Just don't right.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Are they appealing this, like what right do you have
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: if you're a convicted sex offender or criminal to get
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: a working with children's check? And what is the points
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: of working with children's checks if sex offenders can get
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: not to.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: Show, not to reveal too much how the sausage is made.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: But I suspect that someone within the government who is
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: extremely frustrated about.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: This is the person who has has perhaps.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: Said and said, you will not believe. We are trying
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: to stop these people from getting in our classrooms, and
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: the administrative views keeps overturning our decision, and you see
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: it happen and everyone you know, they are.
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: The state government.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: They can legislate if that's the case, and maybe that
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: legislation needs to be brought in.
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: So there is no I'm.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: Sure, I'm sure they will because they are the one
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: true north.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: They are the political heart.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: For this country, not just being unbelievably successful. In your mind,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: you have no right to complain about anything because you've
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: got labor every day labored right, and so that's why
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: everything would be great.
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: I'm not quite sure everyone out there agrees.
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: Oh, come on, Chris Man, he's out there. Have you
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: seen how handsome he is? And that's before you even
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: get to the policy work.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Colly, tell us what's happening in the career mail tomorrow. Seriously,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: we're all in.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: The wrong game.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: You got to be John Secar, You've got to be
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: in the CFMEU because as they're going into insolvency, they're
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: making sure they're giving whopping big payouts to all of
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: their top guys, including Seca four hundred and fifty k
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: from Secca. Now, the only thing I am relieved about
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: here is that's four hundred and fifty k less they've
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: got to give to the Labor Party for the next election.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Because we know this is why the ABCC has gotten
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: rid of We know that Labor cannot do enough for
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: the CFMEMEU. It's why we've got additional red tape and
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: regulation that's not sure, absolutely unbelievably tied to the Labor Party.
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: And they're going to say that the lights that you
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: can say.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: You could have said that years and.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Years rubbish, years rubbish, the Labour's biggest years a till
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: maybe last.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: They're not affiliated anymore. They're in a massive bust up
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: with the Labor Party. They're trying to go down the
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: Labor Party. They're trying to tear down the Albanezy Labor government.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: That's why I got ninety four sirs.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Only now they can't exert the same level because they
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: were until about two minutes ago.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: The first things out they did on becoming leader was
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: expelling John Sedka and then they eventually they eventually.
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: After they got to the ABCC, that was the first.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: They eventually got rid of the whole union. The whole
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: Union is no longer affiliated with the Labor Party, and
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: that's why they're so pissed off. And that's why they're
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: feathering their own nest because they don't have any other
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: nests to feather.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Well, they do, they're going to the Greens. The Greens the.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: Member for Griffith, but it was a very strong ally
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: and that's why he was so successful as the Member
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: for Griffith at the twenty twenty five federal elect that's right,
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: a sorry Max, my mistake.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: That's on me, buddy.
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: Anyway, going to Adelaide now the city of the future,
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: where the Adelaide Advertiser, great little paper says, holy Moldy,
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: what would you know? It's a CFMU again, thugs in takeover.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: CFMU controls women's and kids market development. The CFMA has
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: taken a stranglehold of the three point two billion dollar
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: new Women's and Children's Hospital, which is the pride and
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: joy of Adelaide on North Terce.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: I think it is. They absolutely love it.
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: And the Adelaide Central Market redevelopment and the Adelaide Central
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: Market obviously the beating heart of the city. South Australian
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: construction leaders are warning. So there you go. CFMU is up.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: To its old tricks.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: And I think the South Australia and the Victorian and
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: the Tasmanian CFM, you are all kind of interlinked and
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: they're all trying to be the same thing.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: And the Victorian one, of course, is the one that
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: had John Sepeka.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: But look, it's all going to be absolutely fine because
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: thankfully the Canterbury Banks Down Council has steped in and
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: the c FU is now going to be given control
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: of the Women's Center in looking well, I was.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Going to say let him know that when it had
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: like the three point two billion just became six point
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: four billion, because the CFMU will make.
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: Sure just blow out, blowout, blowout.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: He's all done. I'll tell you something for free.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: Anthony Albanesi is no friend of John Setka and has
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: not has been.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: The one sensible thing Albo has going for a good job. Well,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: moving on to the Australian now, the Roundtable Revolt on
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: super Labor is bracing for its controversial super tax to
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: be a sticking point at its landmark Economic reform Roundtable,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: as unions joined businesses in warning Jim Charmers and Anthony
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Albanesi that their revenue grab needs overhauling. Now, this is
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: interesting because labor has talented this economic round table as
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: a once in a generation opportunity to build consensus. Yeah,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: can census is around the one policy that is probably
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: the most stupid taxation policy we've ever seen, which is
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: the tax on I realized capital gains it too, but
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: there's consensus around that. But it's the consensus that labor
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to hear, so they conveniently ignore it.
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: And you know the fact you've got unions in business,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: it's so rare that they get to come together and
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: agree on an issue. It's you know, it's a new
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: cord Hoied O'Brien out there, the new shadow treasurer. To
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: see Ted O'Brien out there in total agrees with Paul
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Katy with something I just never ever thought I would say,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: you're going to bring it down. You absolutely are going
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: to ruin superannuation. It's going to ruin it for the
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: young people. Selling mcmanor. She's out there the head of
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: the ACTU. Not a good thing for young people. But
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Jim six his fingers in his ear la la la
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: la la and won't listen because everyone's not telling him.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Jim Bo, you're going to be the next PM.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I said last night.
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: And look, I think Jim Thomas a very smart guy,
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: very good treasurer. But it's I think he's sort of
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: dying in a ditch. He doesn't need to die. And
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: I would now call it and say London to a brick.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: They will index it.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is not a winning policy for them by
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: any means, but also in the Australian just quickly, the
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: PM's sixteen million dollar team, it's time to earn it.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Australia's seventeen highest ranking public service mandarins will be paid
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: combine renumeration packages valued at up to sixteen point three
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: million dollars, in addition to travel expenses and other perks,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: as Anthony Albanisi directs them to get more out of
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Labour's ballooning bureaucracy. The Prime Minister's sixteen heads of department
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: on Tuesday one pay bumps following a renumeration tribunal determination
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: last month which believed the increases for all department secretaries
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: and elevated new Treasury Box Jenny Wilkinson into the one
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: million dollar club, alongside Albanesi's top bureaucrat, Stephen Kennedy. And
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: this is the fundamental problem I think a lot of
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Australians have. It's not about demonizing the public service. They
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: do do good work. But when you see the amount
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: that top bureaucrats are getting paid while average Australians are
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: just struggling to make ends meet, it really does make
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: you wonder is this the best use of money, absolutely not.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: But coming up after the break, Megan Michaels fruit picking
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: posts amongst debate as Royal fans spot inconsistencies find out
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: after the break welcome back. Australians are known for their
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: coffee consumption and some are willing to pay extortionate prices.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: But now, apparently, Joe, it's not just limited to coffees,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: it's also for their childrens.
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: Some are willing to pay extortionist christs. Look at you,
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: victim blaming their customer. This I'm just going to read
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: it out as calmly as I possibly can, frayer, and
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: then I'm going to have my say the headline as
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: you can say. Baby Chino price saw across Melbourne as
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: Herald's Sun reveals cheapest cafes. Thank you, Harold Son, You're
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: doing the Lord's work. The cost of a baby Chino
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: is higher than ever, with Melbourne cafes charging up to
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: three dollars fifty for a baby Chino. The Hana's gone around.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: It is surveyed fifty coffee shops and said you know
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: how much blah blah blah, three dollars fifty. Some are
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: I think the median price is two dollars eighty. There
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: was one in five cafes that gave away baby chinos
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: for free. This is just ten years ago, and that's
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: what they should be, by the way.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: Now. It is just now.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: There was just two out of the fifty that they survey,
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: so that's one in twenty five.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: Now, no one.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: Goes to a cafe just to get a baby chino.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: The baby chino is the thing you get.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: After you've ordered everything else, your ten flat whites, your croissants,
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: your banana breads, everything you're trying just to keep the
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: show on the road, and the baby chino is the
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: one thing you get at the end to shut your
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: baby up because it's screaming from the plan and wailing
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: and moaning, and you can't give it decaf, and so
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: you just give it something to stick in its gob
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: and rub its little face in so it can be
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: entered out. And if you get a couple of marshmallows,
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: that is the sign of God's work here on earth.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: And the idea that you have cafes charging three dollars
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: fifty to what should be every inner city, middle class,
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: white progressive latte sippers.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: Right, it's an absolute disgrace, right.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Well, we know what Joy thinks. Thanks for that, Joe Biddy.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: It is outrageous.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: It is upright.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Fifty is almost the price of coffee for frothy milt rot.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: Oh not anymore.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: It's the way some of them justify the three dollars
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: fifty cafe. They justified it by saying, oh no, we
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: have three marshmallows in there as well. Pl luxury.
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: Please.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: But tell what's about Meghan Markle.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Well, Megan's caught herself out again in it comes to
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: another photo shop incident. Now there's a story about her
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: allegedly picking a ripe apricot from the street. See closer
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: in the photo, every acre on the tree is green
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: except the one she's holding in her hand that is detached.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: So somehow or other, having lived on a farm, know
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: that the fruit in the inside of the tree tends
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: to ripe it. Later, I think maybe she's got an
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: apricot from the Whole Foods and.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: Just using it she controls the seasons.
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: But look, I can.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Find that story and I'm happy to put.
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: A link up to it.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: There's actually another one of her feet and it's very disturbing.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: So you've got to zoom in on these, but her
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: second toe is resembling et Go Home.
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: It's a bit more like a finger.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: One foot looks normal, and then there's something weird going
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: on with that left foot. That's a photo shot fail
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: or there's something going on. Maybe it's AI generated fate,
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: because goodness may they could do with some help. That's
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: actually really concerned me a whole.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Lot I violated. That's changed me.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: The fake authenticity from Megan Mackle is cringey, but that
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: is it from the late debate. Up next is The
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Reader Panekey Show.