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Mental Health Matters Renew Your Mind, Renew Your Life - EP-013 - Taking Thought Captive · Mental Health Matters - Overcomers.tv

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  Speaker 3: Welcome to another episode of Mental Health Matters We Knew
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  Speaker 3: Your Mind, We Knew Your Life with us today, Shelby
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  Speaker 3: Coley and Judy Simmons. Good to see you, ladies.
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  Speaker 4: Aye, good to see you.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, Awesome, awesome, super excited about what God's doing in
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  Speaker 3: your lives and how you've been answering a call to
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  Speaker 3: help others in various forms of counseling and ministry opportunities.
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  Speaker 3: We decided to go with a title Taking Thoughts Captive.
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  Speaker 3: So Doctor two, do you want to just open that
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  Speaker 3: up a little bit and Shelby you can add to it?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know. I think.
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  Speaker 5: Joyce Myers wrote an amazing book called The Battlefield of
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  Speaker 5: the Mind and if you haven't read it.
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  Speaker 4: Those listening, I would encourage you to read it. But
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  Speaker 4: it just the battle is in the mind.
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  Speaker 5: If the enemy can get us in the mind when
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  Speaker 5: we first wake up, then he's got us through the
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  Speaker 5: rest of the day.
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  Speaker 4: But if we can learn to take our thoughts captive
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  Speaker 4: to the.
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  Speaker 5: Obedience of Christ, like Scripture says, I tell my clients
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  Speaker 5: to they need to catch the thought, they need to
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  Speaker 5: challenge the thought, and then if it doesn't line up
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  Speaker 5: with the word of God, they.
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  Speaker 4: Need to change the thought.
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  Speaker 5: Because we become what we think, and our life becomes
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  Speaker 5: what we think.
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  Speaker 4: And so our mind is so powerful.
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  Speaker 5: And I think Joyce Myers got it right when she
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  Speaker 5: said the mind is a battlefield.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's definitely so true. And we get stuck in
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  Speaker 6: our thinking, right, so one thought leads to another, that
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  Speaker 6: leads to another.
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  Speaker 7: And I think sometimes of I do some E. M. D.
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  Speaker 6: R Work, which is some really brain therapy to a degree,
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  Speaker 6: and we think about the ruts that get created in
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  Speaker 6: our brains and how easy it is to fall back
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  Speaker 6: into those. And so you're totally right about when we
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  Speaker 6: our thoughts become, we become our thought life. And so
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  Speaker 6: I talk to clients a lot about you know, hey,
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  Speaker 6: we've been walking this one road for a really long time,
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  Speaker 6: and it's easy when we try to get out of
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  Speaker 6: it to fall back in. So that's definitely true. There
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  Speaker 6: there are patterns that take us down a road that
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  Speaker 6: we don't often sometimes we were ready to get off
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  Speaker 6: that road. And that's a lot can be a lot
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  Speaker 6: of work.
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  Speaker 3: And I would add too, as a guy, the guy
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  Speaker 3: perspective here the pink I'm out numbered. But just even
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  Speaker 3: sexual thoughts, I mean, I don't know, there's been all
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  Speaker 3: kinds of statistics like boys will have a sexual thought
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  Speaker 3: like every eighteen seconds or something like that. Fact tech
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  Speaker 3: me later. But I know is that, you know, women
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  Speaker 3: are attractive or even if it's same sex attraction and
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  Speaker 3: you're struggling with that. Whatever. What we look at generates
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  Speaker 3: thoughts and emotions, images, you know all that. And even
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  Speaker 3: God is being in ministry celebrating twenty five years you know,
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  Speaker 3: free alcohol, free cigarette, free man our thought life, even
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  Speaker 3: fantasy or stuff like that. I mean, that's you know,
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  Speaker 3: I always say I dread the day where technology comes
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  Speaker 3: where they can you know, put a probe or some
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  Speaker 3: patches and all of a sudden I got a little
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  Speaker 3: plasma screen on my forehead and everybody can see what
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  Speaker 3: I'm thinking, you know, So I don't know if they've
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  Speaker 3: come up with that technology, like, no, we're not, we're
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  Speaker 3: not letting out nobody.
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  Speaker 4: Run from it when they come up with it, run
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  Speaker 4: from it.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, but yeah, I mean, it's not it's a
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  Speaker 3: it's a spark that can start a fire your thought life.
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  Speaker 3: So that's I'm glad we're talking about this today.
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  Speaker 6: Definitely. I think that in terms of so there's so
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  Speaker 6: many different directions that our thoughts can go. There's lots
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  Speaker 6: of different categories.
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  Speaker 7: That we could place them in.
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  Speaker 6: I think with the sexual thought life, that's been something
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  Speaker 6: that's really been on my mind a lot lately, just
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  Speaker 6: seeing couple do mostly couple's work and so seeing them
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  Speaker 6: couples come in and they're struggling with a spouse who's
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  Speaker 6: has a has a really hard time with pornography or
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  Speaker 6: you know, other issues that that are sexual creating issues
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  Speaker 6: in the marriage. And so we we recently did start
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  Speaker 6: a group on restoration of those issues, and so we
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  Speaker 6: just we started that recently that's on Thursday nights, and
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  Speaker 6: it isn't and I think with any thought that we're
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  Speaker 6: trying to take captive. A big thing is being accountable
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  Speaker 6: for those thoughts and saying, you know, sometimes we'll see
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  Speaker 6: people say like, well everyone feels this way, or this
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  Speaker 6: isn't as bad as you know it could be, and
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  Speaker 6: things like that, and I think taking the thoughts that
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  Speaker 6: we have, whether it be it could even be like
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  Speaker 6: thoughts about other people. It doesn't even have to be
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  Speaker 6: aside from only the sexual thoughts. Like let's say it's
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  Speaker 6: thoughts on really not liking someone or wishing something bad
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  Speaker 6: would happen to them, or jealousy or whatever. It's like, well,
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  Speaker 6: it's not that big of a deal. Everyone gets jealous
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  Speaker 6: sometimes or whatever that is. And that's not really taking
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  Speaker 6: them active, right, that's kind of allowing them to exist
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  Speaker 6: and not realizing the danger and the poison that they
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  Speaker 6: can kind of cause in our lives. It's important to
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  Speaker 6: take the thoughts and to not be like, oh, well
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  Speaker 6: everyone ruggles with this. It's not about everyone, right, It's
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  Speaker 6: about this is how it's affecting me, and it's not
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  Speaker 6: healthy and good for me. I need to do some
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  Speaker 6: work to change it, and ultimately I'm the one that
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  Speaker 6: is responsible for doing that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the verse and intrudy. You can start that
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  Speaker 3: second Corinthians ten to five. It just picks up casting
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  Speaker 3: down arguments, and that never happens in couples therapy, right,
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  Speaker 3: casking down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself
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  Speaker 3: against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity
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  Speaker 3: to the obedience of Christ. So that's kind of where
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  Speaker 3: we even get that word, right, taking thoughts captive, right.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, not every thought deserves space our rent in
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  Speaker 5: our brain, and we need to be able to learn
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  Speaker 5: to decipher which ones are our thoughts, which ones are
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  Speaker 5: God's thoughts, or even which ones are the enemy's thoughts
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  Speaker 5: that have been placed in us through you know, Chuck
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  Speaker 5: Patrick Tchuck you mentioned you know, our eyes, and so
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  Speaker 5: we do have to be careful what we what we
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  Speaker 5: look at. We need to be careful what we listen to,
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  Speaker 5: because all that will create thoughts in our head.
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  Speaker 4: And not every thought really truly is our own thought,
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  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 5: It's you catch a thought from somewhere else and it
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  Speaker 5: starts to become your reality.
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  Speaker 4: And that's when you.
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  Speaker 5: Know you've got to challenge that thought, and that's where
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  Speaker 5: you take it captive, you know, and lining up to
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  Speaker 5: God's word.
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  Speaker 4: I was seeing someone the other day and.
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  Speaker 5: She just started saying all these things that she was thinking,
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  Speaker 5: and I opened up the Word and I'm like, where
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  Speaker 5: does it say that in the Bible about you? So
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  Speaker 5: if that, if it doesn't say that in the Bible
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  Speaker 5: about you, then those thoughts are lies and they need
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  Speaker 5: to be cast down.
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  Speaker 4: But so often we've said those thoughts.
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  Speaker 5: Rehearse those lines in our head that it seems like
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  Speaker 5: it's become a reality. And like I said, it become
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  Speaker 5: what we think on so much does become a reality,
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  Speaker 5: and we say, well, that's just the way it is.
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  Speaker 5: But if it's not, if we're not thinking the way
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  Speaker 5: God has intended us to think, think on these things,
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  Speaker 5: the things that are pure, are the things that are lovely,
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  Speaker 5: things like that, then we're not really truly thinking God's thoughts.
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  Speaker 4: So we do need to be mindful.
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  Speaker 5: And y'all, it's hard, especially if we've been thinking the
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  Speaker 5: same thought for so long and having the same challenges.
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  Speaker 5: You're like, it just must be the way it is,
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  Speaker 5: But if it's not God honoring and edifying, then we
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  Speaker 5: really need to rethink what we're thinking.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good.
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  Speaker 6: As you say that, I really love the you know
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  Speaker 6: how you mentioned in scripture that God says, like, think
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  Speaker 6: on these things that are lovely and pure, and you
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  Speaker 6: can really see how much God, God's God tells us
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  Speaker 6: to do things out of love and protection. And he
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  Speaker 6: tells us, you know, or commands us to do anything,
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  Speaker 6: but especially in this thinking about our our thought life,
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  Speaker 6: there's good purpose and there's good reason that he says
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  Speaker 6: that because if when we when we don't, we see
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  Speaker 6: bad fruit and pain and different things that come from it.
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  Speaker 6: And He really does tell us to do things out
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  Speaker 6: of protection for us, like hey son, hey daughter, like,
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  Speaker 6: meditate on these good things, even even when it's hard,
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  Speaker 6: even when you know you notice a bad thought, meditate
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  Speaker 6: on something else and it's for our good. And then
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  Speaker 6: I think that's a good I think that's like when
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  Speaker 6: you said that.
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  Speaker 7: That kind of triggered that for me.
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  Speaker 6: And God is so kind and protective and when he
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  Speaker 6: tells us these things, he he does, of course know best.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, my past used to say, you can't stop a
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  Speaker 3: bird from landing on your head, but you can definitely
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  Speaker 3: stop him from building a nest there. And so the
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  Speaker 3: thoughts could be like a bird just land on your
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  Speaker 3: head because he wanted to. And what are you gonna do.
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna like let him just walk. You're not gonna
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  Speaker 3: walk around with a bird on your head all day.
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna like shrew him on, right, or he's gonna
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  Speaker 3: build a nest. So that would be the difference of
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  Speaker 3: having a thought. And the word meditation and what you
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  Speaker 3: guys are talking about is found in Philippians four and
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  Speaker 3: it starts in verse eight and again this is near
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  Speaker 3: the end of the letter. Finally, brethren, whatever things are
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  Speaker 3: true and whatever things are noble, And if you have
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  Speaker 3: a Bible, it's so good just to circle these words true, noble,
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  Speaker 3: whatever things are just. And then here's whatever things are pure.
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  Speaker 3: And every guy in the world struggles right there because
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  Speaker 3: we know I thought life can be. And this is
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  Speaker 3: the challenge. This is how God raises the bar. He understands.
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  Speaker 3: But you know pure that that alleviates a lot of
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  Speaker 3: bad thoughts. Right there is this pure right, whatever things
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  Speaker 3: are lovely, whatever things are good, report virtue and praiseworthy.
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  Speaker 3: Uh so, stop watching the news because it's all bad sizzle,
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  Speaker 3: you know, shock and awe. Can you believe they said this?
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  Speaker 3: And you know, there's no you know, we don't want
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  Speaker 3: to keep our head to sand, and we need to
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  Speaker 3: know what's going on. But some of those things can
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  Speaker 3: really fire you up, and you can get all angry
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  Speaker 3: about it because now you're meant, you're not really meditating
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  Speaker 3: on praiseworthy just good stuff. So you know, if there's balance,
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  Speaker 3: I guess we're going to talk about that too, Sure
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  Speaker 3: your turn.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I think I think there is balance.
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  Speaker 7: And you know, we do.
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  Speaker 5: We're supposed to what scriptures say, to be wise as
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  Speaker 5: a serpent and gentle as a dove, and so we
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  Speaker 5: do need to know what's going on around us, but
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  Speaker 5: we also need to be mindful of what's going on
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  Speaker 5: within us. And so I think just you know, even
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  Speaker 5: taking you know, so you talked about accountability a few
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  Speaker 5: minutes ago. It is great to have accountability partners, Prayer Partners,
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  Speaker 5: iron Shopmriend's Iron.
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  Speaker 4: So if you're having.
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  Speaker 5: Stinking thinking, you can have someone say, hey, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 5: you need to go check what the word says, or
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  Speaker 5: you need to go check what you were last week
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  Speaker 5: in your journal, because that's not what God says about you,
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  Speaker 5: and that's not what God says about your situation because
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  Speaker 5: I think, as I said earlier, our thoughts can become
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  Speaker 5: so the negative thoughts and the positive thoughts can become
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  Speaker 5: so normal for us that we just think it's our reality.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, the little person I was talking about yesterday, rejection,
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  Speaker 5: you know, has become her reality. So she bills, thinks,
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  Speaker 5: believes that she is just going to be rejected the
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  Speaker 5: rest of her life because that's become her go to
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  Speaker 5: thought life, which we know is a lie because God
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  Speaker 5: does not reject her, but that's how she's living her
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  Speaker 5: life right now. So we have to be very mindful
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  Speaker 5: and have those people in our life that will speak
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  Speaker 5: truth to us in love.
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  Speaker 4: And hold us accountable for that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah that's good, Shelby.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I definitely agree, because again, because sometimes our thoughts
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  Speaker 6: will become are so normal to us that we don't
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  Speaker 6: really always hear them. They're just influencing the things that
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  Speaker 6: we do, how we speak, how we feel, but we
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  Speaker 6: don't really always hear our thoughts. And so having someone
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  Speaker 6: to help us be accountable, hold us accountable is good
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  Speaker 6: because they can hear and see us and they can
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  Speaker 6: start to question, like, hey, what's kind of the thought
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  Speaker 6: behind that? And I think that's really a good place
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  Speaker 6: to be. And when we have someone like that, you know,
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  Speaker 6: a friend is to be is a gift.
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  Speaker 7: It's to be treasured. Someone who's really.
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  Speaker 6: Doing that out of like love for us is good.
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  Speaker 6: And I think part of that being accountable would be
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  Speaker 6: to say, huh, I didn't notice that.
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  Speaker 7: Why do you think that? Right?
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  Speaker 6: Because a lot of times we want to get defensive
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  Speaker 6: because we're good people, good meaning things, and we don't
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  Speaker 6: want to hear that like, oh you think that I
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  Speaker 6: have a negative thought process on this. And so it's
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  Speaker 6: to trust that gift right to you know something I
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  Speaker 6: love to tell my husband, which is, you know, kind
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  Speaker 6: of funny, but I'm like, hey, God gave me to
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  Speaker 6: you as a gift.
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  Speaker 7: I think I might know a thing or two.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe you should listen to me, you know, kind of
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  Speaker 6: in a loving way.
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  Speaker 3: But it's not something with.
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  Speaker 7: A good friend or good healthy counsel.
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  Speaker 6: Like God has put that in our lives to help
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  Speaker 6: us to be accountable and to give us, you know.
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  Speaker 7: Some checks and balances.
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  Speaker 6: And so you know, if someone's saying, hey, I think
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  Speaker 6: I I think you need to rethink that or is
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  Speaker 6: that really true? It's really what a benefit it is
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  Speaker 6: to us to be able to take that and to
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  Speaker 6: reflect on it and to see if we can apply that.
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  Speaker 6: I think is really beneficial when we think about having
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  Speaker 6: someone help us be accountable, is how willing we take that?
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  Speaker 3: In fact? And again the thought life too even led
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  Speaker 3: us to this topic was how we think about ourselves?
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  Speaker 3: That is super important. We touched on it on our
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  Speaker 3: last episode identity. How do I think about me? And
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  Speaker 3: how does God think about me? And just to kind
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  Speaker 3: of unpack a little bit that take what we thought captive.
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  Speaker 3: I just did it context which starts in four and
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  Speaker 3: it talks about for the weapons of our warfare are
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  Speaker 3: not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.
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  Speaker 3: And we started with casting down arguments and everything. So
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  Speaker 3: this is spiritual warfare. I think it starts in the mind.
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  Speaker 3: The enemy has the way of whispering. I don't think
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  Speaker 3: the enemy is in us like possession. People think that
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  Speaker 3: we're possessed, right. I don't think the even Satan has
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  Speaker 3: the ability to know what I'm thinking. I think if
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  Speaker 3: we put words in the air, he can hear. He's
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  Speaker 3: an angel, He's a created being like a bird in
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  Speaker 3: a tree can only be in one place at one time.
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  Speaker 3: We have lots of demons, so and be careful when
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  Speaker 3: I start opening up the warfare thing. But anyway, it's
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  Speaker 3: starting with prayer, right, We pray our thought life. And
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  Speaker 3: I just wanted to piggyback to one more verse. We'll
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  Speaker 3: get there a Psalms one thirty nine where he says
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  Speaker 3: he knows my lying down, he knows my rising up,
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  Speaker 3: he knows my thoughts afar off, he knows the words
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to speak. But yet God still says, talk
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  Speaker 3: to me about it. So even people pray silently, they're
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  Speaker 3: praying in their thought world. So just to kind of
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  Speaker 3: bring all that whole spiritual realm into your thought life,
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  Speaker 3: God already knows what you're thinking. Anyway, she might as
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  Speaker 3: well start talking him about your thought life. That's a
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  Speaker 3: good place to start, true to your turn.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, I'm smile because he does. You know, he
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  Speaker 4: knows our thought life, and and you.
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  Speaker 5: Know he's okay with us coming to him with our
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  Speaker 5: negative you know, our negative thoughts like but he when
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  Speaker 5: we bring it to him, we've got to be ready
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  Speaker 5: to receive the truth about how he feels about us,
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  Speaker 5: you know what I mean? It's like we go to
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  Speaker 5: him and say I feel unworthy, I feel rejected, and
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  Speaker 5: we've got to allow him to speak that truth back
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  Speaker 5: into us as a loving father would like if my
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  Speaker 5: son or daughter comes to me and saying, I'm feeling X,
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  Speaker 5: Y and Z, you know, then I have the at
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  Speaker 5: that point the ability to speak listen to him first
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  Speaker 5: or her first, and then speak that truth into them,
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  Speaker 5: you know.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that's what our heavenly father wants as well.
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  Speaker 5: We can bring everything to him and lay it at
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  Speaker 5: his feet, but then let's just sit there and let
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  Speaker 5: him speak life back into us.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that's hard sometimes.
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  Speaker 5: I know it's hard because when we were feeling unloved
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  Speaker 5: or rejected.
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  Speaker 4: It's hard to receive that.
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  Speaker 5: But if we sit in his presence for a little
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  Speaker 5: bit of time, he will start to lavish and you know,
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  Speaker 5: overcome us with his love. And so we've got to
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  Speaker 5: be able to It's kind of like a give and
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  Speaker 5: take with a with our relationship.
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  Speaker 3: With the Lord.
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  Speaker 7: Yea, yeah, I love that.
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: We had a little had a you know, practice wide
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  Speaker 6: intercession time yesterday morning, and we talked about sitting in
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: God's presence and dwelling in his presence and getting you know,
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  Speaker 6: whatever it is that stops us from doing that, trying
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  Speaker 6: to surrender that so that we can be, like you said,
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  Speaker 6: ready to sit with him and to accept what he
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: says about us, and to accept the good things and
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: to let his love like sit on us. One thing
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  Speaker 6: that going back to the verse that you just shared
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  Speaker 6: about you know, these things are not carnal. And also
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  Speaker 6: earlier in our conversation, one or both of you may
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: have touched on kind of with the bird building a
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  Speaker 6: nest and something else that Truthy had said about sometimes
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  Speaker 6: we get a thought that may it's not that that
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  Speaker 6: is the bad thing, right. We can't always control a
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  Speaker 6: thought that we get, and maybe it is of a
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  Speaker 6: dark you know, that is sent from from not just us,
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: but some spiritual warfare.
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  Speaker 7: And there I don't know if you've noticed this truty.
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  Speaker 6: With some of my clients, I'll see them getting almost
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  Speaker 6: like very paranoid about their thought life and a lot
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  Speaker 6: of shame about thoughts that come into their head, trying
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  Speaker 6: to remove like, hey, that's not the sin, right, And
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: then there's just consumed with all of this guilt and
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  Speaker 6: shame about their thought life. And that's sometimes hard to
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  Speaker 6: help a client walk through an undo, and that can
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  Speaker 6: be tormenting.
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  Speaker 7: Right, And so to say like, oh, I let that.
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  Speaker 6: Go, I release that and I'm not going to hold
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  Speaker 6: on to like the shame and stuff for that. Is
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  Speaker 6: that something you've ever experienced with any clients.
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  Speaker 5: That they keep coming back to the.
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  Speaker 7: The guilt that they let's say they have a thought.
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  Speaker 6: Let's say it's an impure thought, a lustful thought, and
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  Speaker 6: then it's focus on like I can't believe I had
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  Speaker 6: that thought. I'm a horrible person, Like I need to
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  Speaker 6: tell my husband, I need to tell you know, my pastor.
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  Speaker 6: And have you ever seen anyone maybe get obsessive over
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  Speaker 6: having thoughts that are bad?
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  Speaker 7: And you know, maybe they're not.
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  Speaker 6: It's not the same as you know, they're not necessarily
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  Speaker 6: festering and you know, letting this thought play out and
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: having a bad thought life. But they're just really focused
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  Speaker 6: on one lustful thought and condemning themselves, right right right?
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  Speaker 4: I mean yes?
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  Speaker 5: And to that, we normally what we do is okay,
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  Speaker 5: because then they feel bad.
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  Speaker 4: They feel bad because that goes.
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  Speaker 5: Back into shame, which we talked about before, and so
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  Speaker 5: we walk through, Okay, you are not bad because you have.
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  Speaker 5: That thought does not make you bad. That thought is
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  Speaker 5: an honoring God. So let's figure out how.
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  Speaker 4: To get rid of that thought.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: And if it's one day at a time, one moment
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  Speaker 5: at a time, you know, forgive yourself, release yourself. You know,
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: when that thought comes back up, then I normally tell
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: them again, catch the thought. Okay, I'm thinking it, So
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: what am I going to do with it now? Sometimes
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: they have success with challenging it and changing it. The
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: next week they'll come in and they may not have
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: had that success, but eventually, by continuing to do that,
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: they start walking more in success.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: Now they may come back six.
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: Months later and say, you know, I'm messed up again,
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: But then we go through the process again. But I
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  Speaker 5: think the more you teach someone how to walk in
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  Speaker 5: freedom and deliverance and healing, the more they're going to
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  Speaker 5: experience that. But the enemy wants to come in and say,
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: see you messed up again. God's going to come in
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  Speaker 5: and say, see I've forgiven you. I've already forgiven you.
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  Speaker 5: Forgive yourself, release yourself. Let's walk in freedom together.
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  Speaker 4: And so you know, the enemy loves shame, condemnation, and guilt.
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  Speaker 4: But God is Goodness wants us to be free. And yeah,
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  Speaker 4: just renewing that. I think those thoughts in your head.
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  Speaker 3: So here's a deep dive on the theological side of thoughts,
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  Speaker 3: being sinful or not. And I'll just give it away.
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  Speaker 3: You don't have to confess ask for forgiveness of thoughts
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  Speaker 3: or being tempted, because being tempted is not a sin.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: It's giving into the temptation. And I'll tell you why.
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  Speaker 3: I believe that, because Jesus was tempted Hebrews Hebrews chapter
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  Speaker 3: two eighteen. For in that he himself has suffered being tempted,
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  Speaker 3: he's able to aid those who are tempted. Right, And
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  Speaker 3: then he was four fifteen. For we do not have
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  Speaker 3: a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weakness. But
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  Speaker 3: was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.
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  Speaker 3: So these evil thoughts that are very tempting, Jesus was tempted,
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  Speaker 3: yet without sin. So if Jesus was sinless and he
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  Speaker 3: was tempted, we see it twice in scripture. There having
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: the temptation, do I rob the bank? I had a
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  Speaker 3: thought I could do it. I can get out the
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: back getaway car and starting to think about it. You're
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: not going to jail for thinking about robbing a bank today,
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: and you don't you know, if you spend too much
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: time meditating on it, now you're wasting time because you're
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: not at work. And now it's a sin of omission
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: because you're not doing what you're supposed to be doing,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: because you're spending too much time thinking about stupid stuff.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: It's a different kind of sin. But having that thought,
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: and yeah, some of those thoughts can be dark. And
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: there are darts. I love how you said that, Shelby.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: That's how enemy fires. Those those darts. Quench it with
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: the shield of faith, the faith of who I believe
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  Speaker 3: I am. And no, I'm not gonna act on that
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: and do that. Even in like the pornography realm, there's
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: a thought, do I want to go to the website?
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Can I get away with it? Well, we have covenantiyes
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: dot com overcomers TV seventeen dollars a month. That's on
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: all your devices, and you have some guys who will
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: get an email report if you look at something, and
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: just knowing that three of your guys are going to
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: get the email report, I'm not even gonna do it.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Because I can't get away with it. And now I'm
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: not even going to spend another three seconds thinking about
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: it because I don't want to have the conversation with
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: my accountability group tomorrow, or I don't want my wife
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: finding it in my history. But now with private and
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: all these other kind of things, that's always the temptation
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: and can I get away with it? And do I
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: do it? So? But it back up the bus that
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  Speaker 3: thought leads to a temptation. And I'll end with this
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  Speaker 3: because I'm on my soapbox. You can't. What makes it
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: a temptation is a desire to want to do it
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: and to know it's wrong. You need two elements even
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: be a temptation. Eating dog poop today is not a temptation.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: There's no desire to eat dog poop. I'm not struggling
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  Speaker 3: with it. I'm not do I don't. I it's a
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  Speaker 3: no right. So to even be a temptation, there has
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: to be a desire to do it and you know
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: it's wrong, or it's not even a temptation. Those are
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: some thoughts on that. But I too, for a long
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: time beat myself up on my you know, tempted thought life.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: But God through a few other passions showed me even
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Jesus was tempted yet without sin.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I love. I think that's that's important.
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  Speaker 6: And I love how you know the thing of the
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: thought of forgiveness, right, God forgives, and also we need
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: to be forgiving ourselves. Yes, sometimes we are tempted, we
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: have bad thoughts that and I'm gonna forgive myself and
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: I'm you know, and knowing the difference between all right,
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: I've been playing now all kinds of scenarios in my head,
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: whether that be with anger or lust or all these things.
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: Like you know, we need to be a anable for that.
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  Speaker 7: We have a thought and we let it go.
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: There needs to be forgiveness, right, great those things.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we had a couple of chime ins from Madam
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  Speaker 3: Love that's their name, Hi everyone, and she said forgiveness
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: is healing, which is awesome. So anybody does have comments,
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: we can put them up there, questions as we continue
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: to do these shows the first Thursday of every month.
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  Speaker 3: We have the ladies on board, but mark your calendars.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: If you want to ask some questions or even give
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: us some topics to cover, We're more than welcome to
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: do that.
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  Speaker 8: As well, right, definitely, And I think it's so important,
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  Speaker 8: you know, on forgiveness is I think the hardest person
• 25:43
  Speaker 8: to forgive a lot of times is ourself, right, And
• 25:46
  Speaker 8: so walking and forgiveness all day long, you know, for
• 25:50
  Speaker 8: yourself and.
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: Because that brings you walking also in love, you know,
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: forgiveness and love go together, and you know the enemy, you.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: Know, is very very wise, you know.
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  Speaker 5: And so I think those thoughts that we may be
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: struggling with right now, those are familiars thoughts.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: Does it mean that they're true thoughts?
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: And so coming out of agreement, I think Shelby, we
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: talked about this at the beginning. You know, if someone's
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: struggling with the same thought, you know, it's like you're
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: in a forest and there's two trails to go on.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: Are you going to go on the least traveled are
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: the most traveled? Well, the most.
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: Traveled is the familiar thoughts, the unhealthy thoughts. And you
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: have to really take a conscious effort sometime, make a
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: conscious effort when you're standing at that crossroad.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: Okay, this is familiar, I know what this feels like.
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: This is going to feel more normal than taking a
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: different path. That's going to be healthier thoughts because you're
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: so used to the negative thoughts and so making that
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: conscious effort to just say, Okay, I'm gonna stop, I'm
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: gonna think about the thought, I'm going to challenge it.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: And now I'm going to change it.
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: And the change part is the hardest part because where
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: creatures have had it.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: And but again that goes to freedom. God is a
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: god of freedom and a God of hope.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and it sets us up to be successful and
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: we recognize that it is work and that if we
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: want it to be different.
• 27:06
  Speaker 7: We're going to have to do some hard work. And
• 27:09
  Speaker 7: that I think that helps people know like it is.
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: It's of course easy, it's going to be natural to
• 27:15
  Speaker 7: go this way. It's going to take some conscious effort.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And with all that, again, is God mad at me?
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Or thinking God is mad at you is not a
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: good thought? Well, and with Jeremiah twenty nine to eleven, right,
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: this is God speaking for I know the thoughts that
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: I think towards you. Putting your name there, says the Lord,
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: thoughts of peace, not of evil, to give you a
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: future and a hope. So those are some of God's
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: thoughts about you. He's crazy about you. He loves you.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: If God had a refrigerator, your picture would be on it.
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  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Let's close in prayer, Shelby. You want to start us off.
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  Speaker 6: Sure, Heavenly, Father God, I thank you for this opportunity
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  Speaker 6: for us to get together and to.
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  Speaker 7: Talk about our thought life.
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  Speaker 6: Lord, and and you know, I just thank you that
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  Speaker 6: for the complexity of how you've made us, and for
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: the depth that we have, and.
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: And for the free will and then that we have
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: and the work that we get to do. And Lord,
• 28:14
  Speaker 7: our life is full and deep.
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: And there's real work, and got to just appreciate how
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: you've designed all of us. And I just pray that
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: everyone listening here would would start to pick up the
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: weapons for the battlefield of the mind and just be
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: accountable for the fight that we do have to play.
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: And got to just I just pray that seeds would
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: be planted and people would feel understood by the things
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: that we've talked today, and to know that you you
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: do think lovingly towards us, and that you're a God
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: of forgiveness and and comfort, and uh, I just thank
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  Speaker 6: you for that.
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  Speaker 5: And Father, I just thank you Lord that you are
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  Speaker 5: King of Kings and Lord of Lords, Father God, I
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  Speaker 5: thank you or that you love us on our best
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  Speaker 5: days and you love us on our days that we struggle,
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: Father God, that your.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: Love never changes. Lord.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: So for those who are struggling today in their thought,
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: like Lord, I just asked that you will give them
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: us just an extra special dose of your love today,
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: of your grace today, Lord, that they will know that
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  Speaker 5: you love them, you created them in your image, and that.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: They lack no good thing. Father God, let them feel
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: your love like never before. Father God.
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  Speaker 5: And for those who don't really know you right now,
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: I pray that they will have a supernatural encounter with you,
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: Father that rocks their world and changes their life for you.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: We thank you Father, that you are faithful.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Man. I thank you for time with the ladies and
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: again for even helping us be victorious and be called
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: overcomers by the blood of the Lamb, the word of
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: our testimony. And for anyone who has not yet made
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Jesus Lord of their life and received the forgiveness that
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: comes through what you did on the cross, may today
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: be the day of salvation they dive into your word
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: and to your gospels and also get into a good
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Christ centered by believing church and also if they need counseling,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: that they would find at the strength to pick up
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: the phone or to reach out to a friend and
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: get plugged into where they can find healing, hope and
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: redemption in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. A closing note, Madam
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Love said that's it, Hallelujah, and just chimed in with
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: it's my first time here. I love the things of God, Hellelijah.
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