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Episode 143: Baldur's gate... This is just the start. · WASD and Beyond

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  What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to the episode the
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  WASD and Beyond podcast. As always, I'm your host, Nick.
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  Accompanying me is Evan. That's me.
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  Hello, that is you. Before we get into the episode
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  this week, let's shout out the sponsors of the show and the
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  I need to figure out what word I want to use and then we'll stop
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  doing the slash community slash network thing.
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  Firstly, we got Final boss. They got some leftovers going up
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  on the store. They've teased some Tomb Raider
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  stuff. He's teasing a lot of cool
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  Doc Longey has a cool Taylor Swift and MF Doom drop right now
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  That is fucking gnarly. I'll send you a picture of the
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  coins. They're fucking sick.
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  The Tomb Raider drop Eric's working on is sick.
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  New Tomb Raider or old Tomb Raider like, oh, we're starting,
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  we're starting with the. Classics.
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  Gotcha. I just wasn't sure.
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  I mean, I never played the the old ones.
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  I did like the new ones. I know those.
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  Studied those. Right now, Yes.
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  I haven't. Every every little boy in the
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  90s and early 2000s did. I don't even know if I played
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  it. Yeah, I mean I probably played
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  it for like 5 minutes one time. The old Tomb Raider.
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  Yeah, I I vaguely remember I was young enough to the point where
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  I didn't know how to get like, down the ladder or something.
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  It was really stupid. I was like maybe 5, like I had
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  no idea what I was doing. I could imagine those games
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  would be not not not fun, but like nowadays, they're so
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  clunky. Yeah, I mean the.
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  You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean the earliest memory
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  I have of playing a game like. As a story, through to the end
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  was probably Medal of Honor Pacific assault, and that came
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  out in like 2007. I probably played it when I was
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  like 7 or 8 Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
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  Fit right in. Well, there's a lot happening in
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  gaming, buddy. Oh, yes.
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  Let's do this right now. Live community or network.
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  Community. Community.
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  Okay. Spawn camp community.
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  I like community. Check the spawn camp community
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  out. It's free to join the Discord.
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  tears involved. You don't pay us.
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  You could game with us, play D&D with us.
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  You could talk Baldur's Gate Three with us.
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  Alluding to something, we watch a lot of TV together.
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  Usually we watch a lot of movies together.
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  We do fight nights, we do a whole lot of a lot.
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  We talk tech, we talk models, we talk hobbies.
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  Right now I am really big back in the 40K, so I'm trying to get
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  everyone to spend 160 bucks on very small models.
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  Final boss got back into him. Thank you, final boss.
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  Stoked for you buddy. Yeah, right.
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  That's cool. But not for me, Alex.
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  I've infected a few people with Chaos and good.
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  That's good, That's good. It's good.
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  But yeah, hop in, talk hobbies, talk games, play games, have a
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  good time, join the community. And yeah, that's Spawn camp,
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  right? That's good.
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  Yeah, I like it. That's the plug.
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  But no, there is a lot of fucking things happening in
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  gaming today, was the Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 reveal.
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  Yeah, that was pretty cool. So I didn't get to watch it.
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  I'm gonna watch it and we'll probably, I would say maybe if
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  we get time we can record a small hot fix for next week.
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  Yeah, this week I think it's very exciting.
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  I saw the gameplay reveal and I saw like a lot of details.
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  Around it. So I really like the idea of
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  this. I'm just curious to see how it
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  plays. Like I'm excited for a lot of
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  things that they've discussed. Mostly the biggest thing that
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  was confirmed, which was we're getting all the original Modern
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  Warfare 2 2009 maps, which is sweet Afghan Wasteland.
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  Cory all that, all of them, and I'm just super excited.
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  Just go back into them and everything like that and a
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  couple other changes. But we can wait till we do that
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  episode. Yeah, it's possibly expect hot
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  fix. It's been a minutes and I think
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  with everything going on in gaming right now, they might be
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  a bit more prevalent. Maybe every other week.
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  So we can not burn ourselves out on top of Call of Duty starfield
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  releases in a few weeks. 3 weeks I believe to be exact, with you
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  being able to preload it today on.
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  Xbox That's pretty cool. An Xbox Game Pass. 100 gigs or
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  so if I'm not mistaken, but. 39 Yeah, 139 But there's this.
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  OK, there's a lot of discourse going on because it is Bethesda.
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  I understand that. But the the the map that they
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  have laid out for this game is impressive and all the the
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  things that they're discussing that are going to be a part of
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  the game are impressive. It's, you know, people are
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  trying to compare it to Ballers Gate 3, and I don't think that's
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  fair because they're two completely different styles of
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  RPG. Yeah, I I would agree.
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  I mean, they're very, very different.
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  And I don't mean this in a bad way, but I think that Starfield
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  is a bit more contained. In in a certain respect, like a
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  lot of things in Baldur Skate 3 are kind of like, if you think
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  that you can pull this off, try it and you might do it like you
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  might actually do what you're trying to do.
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  Whereas Starfield kind of has the same sort of if you want to
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  go there, you can feel but not as much creativity.
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  I see. That makes sense.
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  Like, I mean, we don't know that yet.
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  It just feels that way like it's creativity is not the right
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  word. But it's you're not.
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  There might be a bit more chains put onto you, whereas Baldur's
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  Gates, there are not many chains that are really binding you
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  down. But we don't know what Stargate,
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  Stargate, it's a good show. Starfield.
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  We don't know what Starfield really has to offer yet.
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  We've seen the Obviously when they showed it off at E3, not
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  E3, it looked a fuck ton better than it did.
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  And that is a relief because I didn't.
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  If I'm being honest, I didn't think it was going to be
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  releasing in September. I thought there was going to be
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  a last minute. I mean, there still could be,
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  but I really did. I don't know because the the
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  review copies have already gone out to the review.
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  No, we're getting it in September, man.
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  Like, that's fucking crazy. Like.
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  Can I say it's it's one of those things that to me in terms of
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  just how Xbox has acquired Bethesda and all that stuff, and
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  this is their first big game coming out, being under their
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  umbrella, if I'm not mistaken. Very curious to see if these
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  reviews, these review copies go out right.
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  The reviews are good, it's not clunky, it's not buggy, blah
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  blah blah blah blah. If it's really that, do we owe
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  or do we have to give Xbox a little bit of credit?
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  And think that maybe they had something to do with the fact
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  that this is Bethesda's best launch in how many years in
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  terms? Of a long game play quality.
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  And yeah, like the amount of bugs or patches needed.
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  You know, like that's gonna be kind of huge.
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  Starfield just knocks it out of the park.
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  So I'll answer this in two parts.
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  You brought up bugs. I'm expecting to to see bugs.
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  Obviously it's a huge game, huge scale.
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  I'm not sure giving it a pass but when you do, I mean even
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  Ballers Gate 3 released with bugs, right?
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  Like it's no game is immune on such a grand scale.
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  Two bugs and two you know, I mean obviously if it's game
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  breaking that really hampers you.
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  That's the. That's the bigger thing, right?
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  Yeah, I'm expecting bugs now. The level of bugs I'm expecting
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  given the amount of time and what appears to be love that was
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  put into this title, I'm expecting them to be kind of
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  like back when like Fallout 3 or Skyrim came out.
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  And yeah, there were game breaking bugs in those games,
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  but like more so more often than not it was like cute, stupid
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  fucking things that would happen where it's like Oh my God, like
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  this is like, yeah this is the Bethesda feel, but the the way
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  in which they craft their stories is so fucking great in
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  my opinion that barring Fallout 4, but.
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  OK, watch your mouth. Hey man, Fallout 3 was better.
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  But what I'm saying is, yes, there's going to be bugs, but
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  I'm not going to be hypercritical.
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  If they are not critical bugs, if they if it's terrible on
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  launch and it is just a hindrance if if it's the next
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  cyberpunk, I'm pissed. But if it launches in a state
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  where it's like, holy shit, they did it, then yeah, I think
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  first, first round of applause goes to the team.
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  Oh. Yeah, a 100%.
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  The developers, the team behind Starfield at Bethesda, and
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  everyone who fixed what they showed off in the first trailer,
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  you know what I'm saying? So that's the first round of
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  applause. Second round of applause
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  definitely goes to Xbox because Xbox is probably sitting there
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  going, you can we cannot afford for this game.
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  And this is like more businessy, obviously, right?
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  But, like, that's how they're gonna look at it first.
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  First and foremost, we cannot afford for this to come out and
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  you give us pie in the face. Well, I think that that's that's
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  warranted to say to them though, you know, right.
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  It's it's something I would have said.
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  I would have been like, listen, you know you haven't had the
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  best of games in in recent memory coming from your studio,
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  right? Like, so you guys need to knock
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  this out of the park and I guarantee you it's probably more
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  of instead of. You need to knock this out of
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  the park, you know, get the hell out of here.
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  Go do your thing. They probably said.
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  What can we do that's like? What?
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  What can we do? Because at the end of the day,
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  right, Xbox is a a game company, just like Bethesda, not just
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  like, but you know what I mean? They're in the same bubble.
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  And so I just think that that makes a lot of sense of them
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  going and saying, yeah, how can we help you out?
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  Because we want this to be. We want this to be good.
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  Not just because it shows it's a good business decision, but also
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  we want it to be good. We don't want to be a fucking
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  sure. Tons of people at Xbox, I'm sure
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  are Bethesda fans playing, falling on Xbox or something,
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  you know what I mean? So yeah, like they want to see
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  Bethesda do something great too. But yeah, no, I I I'm, I'm
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  excited for it. I mean, it's a space game.
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  It's already up my alley with that, right?
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  There's a lot of exploration and seems like a lot of freedom and.
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  A lot of customization and stuff like that, it looks.
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  Can I say it's probably the year of the character creator because
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  Starfield looks pretty cool and Baldur's Gate was sweet too.
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  I mean, you and I both got stuck in that for an hour or so.
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  Yeah, if not longer. I mean it's I'm excited for
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  Starfield. I really am.
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  It sucks because the game I was really jiving on, which was
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  Diablo, they Blizzard, didn't take long to really put an axe
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  to that. Can I say to any of our
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  listeners who are, you know, listen to all these episodes,
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  please go back and let me know if I said at some point between
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  Diablo coming out and now, if I ever said that this was going to
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  happen. Because I'm 90% sure I did.
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  I think you did. I think everyone did, except for
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  like me and like Logan, because it's like how good it started.
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  Whatever, We're not doing this. We're not doing this because I'm
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  now. I'm just pissed off fucking
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  Blizzard. But yeah, so that we got
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  Gamescom. Actually shut up.
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  We got Gamescom coming up. We are going to actually get our
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  first first first look of like true blue gameplay of Cyberpunk
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  in the newest state it's in now. Are we getting in Chernobyl beta
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  or a demo too? I feel like that.
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  I think we are, yes. I think we're getting that.
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  But with Cyberpunk, which is interesting to me, is we are
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  gonna see what the game was supposed to be and what.
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  We're actually, that's what they're all saying.
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  Yeah, that's what they're saying.
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  It's completely rewriting the DNA is one of the things I saw.
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  So I mean hey, if that's what it is I'll I'll redownload it.
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  But I That's our new campaign. I don't.
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  Yeah, right. I will.
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  I just, you know, it's one of those things where it still
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  leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
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  And I'm not really one. I'm not really one to just try
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  and just. Give him a pass right?
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  Like, no, I don't either. But I'm just wondering if this
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  is going to be like the next No Man's Sky where it comes out,
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  everyone's like, what the fuck is this?
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  And then they're like, OK, OK, let's really hunker down.
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  We're going to go silent because, like, I mean, the the
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  cyberpunk devs have been quiet to a degree.
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  And Oh yeah, I mean, we're getting Phantom Liberty.
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  And if you don't buy Phantom Liberty, don't worry, because
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  this update is free if you own Cyberpunk.
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  So, like the update that revamps the game to what it was supposed
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  to be is free. And I do.
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  That's something that obviously shouldn't need to be said.
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  But I do applaud. Even though I shouldn't have to
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  applaud CDPR for this, I do applaud them for that.
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  Thank you for not what a publicity nightmare that would
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  have been. Yeah, that's.
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  I would have quit if I were like.
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  I'm like, OK, all right. Nope, I'm giving up, man.
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  You fed me to the wolves. Here's, here's what I'll say,
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  here's what I'll do is it comes out, I'll download it.
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  I've I'll try not to look at reviews of the new update or
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  anything like that. I'll redownload it going
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  completely fresh because I haven't played it in like a year
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  and a half. I'll start a new campaign and
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  then I'll play through it. And if I like it and it really
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  did change things, I'll get the DLC.
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  Holy shit, that's September 26th, bro.
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  Yeah, that's close. What the fuck?
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  Fuck, we got like great schedule, right?
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  Just games alone we have Armored Core 3, Armored Core.
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  Yeah, At the end of this month we have Starfield Modern Warfare
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  3, Chernobyl. Still yes.
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  I think, I don't know what else stalker.
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  I know those guys are, you know. That's what I mean.
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  I'm sorry. That's what I meant.
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  Stalker. That's what I mean.
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  Stalkers. December.
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  Yeah, December, OK, December. But I think we're gonna see more
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  at games come. Yeah.
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  And then we got, I mean, if Cyberpunk is good, right?
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  That's a big rerelease in a in a sense, I guess.
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  Yep. So Yep, I mean lots.
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  Of great stuff. And Ohh.
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  And for me, specifically for it's a motorsport that's coming.
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  Yeah, I think like October or September.
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  Ohh. My God, Elliott and I are
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  probably gonna be having a ton of fun with that.
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  Yeah, Tarkov just wiped as well. And I know there's been a lot of
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  people playing the shit out, Tarkov.
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  I hear that it's pretty good, but yeah.
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  I mean, I'll try it with the guys, I'll try it with with
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  everybody, but I don't see myself playing it by myself
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  currently. I'm I'm gonna wait till like,
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  the game is out, I think probably to do something like
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  that, yeah. Or.
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  Depending on how angry other people get while I listen to
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  them play the game, I won't play it at all.
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  Yeah, pretty fucking much, man. But yeah, I mean, you're
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  absolutely right. This is looking to be a really
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  good schedule that I think we needed.
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  And I'm not saying there hasn't been good games.
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  There has been good games. We're about to get to 1 in like
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  literally a minute. But other than like the the
• 17:23
  indie titles that have been coming out and killing it, you
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  know what I mean? Like, there's been nothing.
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  Quake 2 just got fucking remastered and it is doing
• 17:32
  amazing. People are so fucking stoked on
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  it. The Ultrakill Turbo Overkill is
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  sorry. I mean, that's a lot of kill.
• 17:42
  But Ultrakill and Turbo Turbo Overkill have been just slapping
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  it right now, man. Like it's fucking outrageous
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  what these these devs are doing. And I'm stoked to see devs like
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  or publishers rather like Apogee at the forefront.
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  And you also had my friendly neighborhood.
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  There's so many cool things that are coming out that I think we
• 18:06
  are actually in a good state in gaming and no game really shines
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  a light to that other than Baldur Skate 3 to me.
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  And that is what we're going to our first impressions of Baldur
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  Skate 3 because we can't do a proper review because I here get
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  your hours on Steam ready. I AM 51.5 hours in and I'm only
• 18:27
  on Act 3. Total play time including Early
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  Access is 90.2 and I played twenty.
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  I played 20 Early Access, so okay, so we're not far off each
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  other, but like, I mean, you put it.
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  Just 70 hours alone since the game has dropped.
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  Insane. I can't put it down like.
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  You guys have been getting annoyed with me where I'll join
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  and everybody's like or well, not you.
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  But the rest of the guys have been where they'll get in and
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  I'm every time they're like, you want to play a game and I go
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  ball, there's Skate 3. That's all I say.
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  I don't even say no, not right now.
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  I just go bad for everybody. I just go BG3.
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  Sorry. Like, I'm.
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  I'm sorry. It has given me.
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  I've been more engaged in this game than any competitive game
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  I've played recently, like Overwatch or Counter Strike or
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  anything like that. It's just too much fun.
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  It is. It is.
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  It is proof that the push for good games exists, the push for
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  story driven narrative exists still that a team like Larian
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  could pull this off. I mean, they don't get me wrong.
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  Divinity Original Sin to that game is a pitch perfect game as
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  well. But this game is just so.
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  It's just so there this. Is so vast, right?
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  Yes. You have so many options to do
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  whatever you want, like whether it's a character creation or
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  just, it feels like any little step you come up to in the game
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  and you're talking to people in game and having some sort of
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  conversation. Like, there's a million ways you
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  could play it. You could just, you know, kill
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  them out, right? You could smooth talk them.
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  You could, you know, like there's just so many different
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  paths to it. I guess in a way you have like
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  your standard ones, right? Like I said, killing them all,
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  persuading, you know, doing some sort of Charisma check.
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  But then you can just do the outright wacky stuff because
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  it's like D&D, right? You have scrolls that can change
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  how all your characters look and and all that kind of stuff too,
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  so it opens up all those paths. I mean, dude, it is.
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  It is. Amazing what Larian has pulled
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  off here. Not that I ever thought they
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  couldn't, but the amount of depth.
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  And that's the word I've been using a lot when we talk about
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  the games we've been playing. Because every game seems to have
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  depth to it, which is exactly what I want and what I thought
• 21:04
  we were missing and gaming for a hot minute there.
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  But this game is just so on point with everything it's doing
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  and I I can't fucking. I can't praise it enough, I
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  think. For what it's done, like, I love
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  that. I love all the D&D aesthetics
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  that you get. I love all the D&D quirks that
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  you get. I love the world that we're able
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  to explore. I'm I'm loving the fact that I
• 21:33
  know that after this playthrough is over, I'm going to create
• 21:37
  another character to play with you and other people, and we're
• 21:39
  going to play a D&D campaign, basically that.
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  That, to me, is really fucking cool.
• 21:47
  There's so much with this game, it looks beautiful as well.
• 21:50
  It's got its jank from time to time, with characters doing
• 21:54
  stupid things and kind of clipping here and there into
• 21:58
  stupid objects. But a game this big, you have to
• 22:03
  expect it. You just do, yeah, I think.
• 22:06
  It's gonna happen. I've sent you plenty of pictures
• 22:11
  that I've gotten in game, in conversation just of their
• 22:13
  faces, because they're just so expressive, like in a really
• 22:18
  perfect animated way, too. It's not too realistic, like
• 22:22
  they're trying to make every character look as human as
• 22:25
  possible, obviously, because it's, you know, magical and
• 22:28
  everything. But for being animated the way
• 22:31
  they are they just look. I I I've never seen even in like
• 22:36
  Red Dead they they didn't look that expressive.
• 22:39
  It's just I I don't know how to describe it the the tech they
• 22:43
  used is fantastic. It's it's amazing, man.
• 22:48
  Everything from like how when a player is upset, you can tell
• 22:54
  they're upset. When a player is stoked, you
• 22:56
  could tell they're stoked and when there's something
• 22:58
  everyone's talking about. But like when a player is or
• 23:00
  when a character, not a player. When a character is horny, you
• 23:03
  know, it's horny. Like, yeah, yeah, Oh yeah, you
• 23:08
  know. For all you out there, who
• 23:10
  shagged the bear, Cool it, man. Cool, it did y'all really do
• 23:15
  that. A lot of them did.
• 23:17
  I know a lot of listeners who are sitting there fucking red in
• 23:19
  the face, going, oh, come on man, chill out, be cool.
• 23:21
  I know. I'm pretty sure Brody did it.
• 23:24
  Pretty sure. No, that that bolt son of a
• 23:26
  bitch really do that. Probably, yeah.
• 23:30
  You know I can't, I can't say for sure, but now it's out in
• 23:33
  the air so well. You know what that means?
• 23:36
  Amber's gonna listen to this. No, she don't care.
• 23:38
  But you know what that means. Yes, she does.
• 23:40
  You have no way. You watch the chat.
• 23:43
  What, you didn't see the chat yesterday?
• 23:47
  And Video game banter on the Spawn camp Discord.
• 23:50
  What? Her tattoo artist?
• 23:53
  Yeah, yeah, She listens to this. Well, that's true.
• 23:56
  That's the truth, Amber. He did it.
• 23:58
  Oh, shit. Hi, Amber.
• 24:00
  Hi, Amber. Well, what I'm trying to say is,
• 24:04
  Amber, your husband's gonna be on the full review.
• 24:05
  Brody. We're gonna get Brody for the
• 24:06
  full review, everybody. When we all finished our first
• 24:09
  play, you tell us how it was. Yeah, how you how it was
• 24:12
  shagging the bear. But like I see a lot of.
• 24:15
  I do want to tackle this while we're here, because we're not.
• 24:17
  This isn't going to be a super crazy long episode because we
• 24:21
  are actually, after we finished recording this, getting right
• 24:24
  back into playing while there's gate, the horniness of the game,
• 24:30
  everyone's complaining. Yeah, there it it is.
• 24:33
  Horny to a degree, but it's not the only thing out there.
• 24:36
  Evan, can you please explain to me or to?
• 24:40
  You explained to me quite well when you said it the other day
• 24:43
  about the romantic journey characters so far, taking this
• 24:47
  opposed to other games, and I kind of liked how you explained
• 24:49
  that. Do you remember what you said?
• 24:51
  Yeah, yeah. I was telling you that like in
• 24:55
  comparison to other character RPGs like this, like a Fallout 3
• 24:59
  or New Vegas, the the climax of of your relationship with the
• 25:03
  character is basically you get to sleep with them.
• 25:05
  And that just was always like a little flirty dialogue in the
• 25:08
  you went to bed. But in Baldur's Gate, that's not
• 25:11
  the end of it. That's just part of it.
• 25:14
  It's not the most important like it is.
• 25:16
  It's there to signify a certain leap, but it's not.
• 25:21
  It's not the end of it. Like you can still get different
• 25:25
  dialogue as time goes on with them and doing whatever you do
• 25:30
  in specific situations or just that the fact they happen, they
• 25:33
  will talk to you and they will like, you know, you'll have a
• 25:37
  little bit of dialogue. I was telling you just before we
• 25:39
  started there was a whole set of dialogue I didn't even know
• 25:41
  existed because I never had talked to that person until
• 25:44
  then. And then what happened happened
• 25:48
  because I was in a relationship in game.
• 25:50
  She had something to say about it and I was like, that's
• 25:53
  really. And then not only that, there's
• 25:54
  like a couple different options to respond to it.
• 25:57
  It's not just varying degrees of yes, yes and yes or something
• 26:02
  like that. You know what I mean?
• 26:03
  Like, it's not forcing you down a path.
• 26:04
  You can, you can say Bold face that you didn't care that you
• 26:08
  did it. You can apologize or you can go
• 26:10
  kind of a middle road. And like I said, it's but
• 26:13
  that's, you know, just a part of the relationship, which I think
• 26:16
  is the best part of it is that. Yeah.
• 26:18
  Next. Right.
• 26:19
  It really is kind of in your face sometimes, but it's some
• 26:23
  characters in just like in real life are like that, you know?
• 26:26
  Exactly. I mean, everybody in this game
• 26:30
  definitely acts that way, so why not?
• 26:34
  I don't know. I don't know why.
• 26:35
  That's something to get upset over, but people kind of find a
• 26:38
  way to complain about anything. I kind of just see it as like it
• 26:42
  really, cuz yeah, it's violent, Yeah, it's horny.
• 26:45
  Yeah, there's a lot of crazy shit.
• 26:47
  But also shoot shows a lot of. Human and nonhuman emotion that
• 26:51
  I do enjoy, the characters go through and they mature, and
• 26:55
  everything in the game has its purpose and reason and I I like
• 26:58
  it for that. Like you, you'll find your goofy
• 27:01
  little things. But like, I've encountered
• 27:03
  something in the beginnings beginning section of the game
• 27:09
  that met me later on when I was in Baldur's Gate itself.
• 27:12
  And I was like, oh wow, that's fucking crazy.
• 27:14
  Like, that's really fucking wild that that's there.
• 27:19
  And there's just a lot, there's a lot of depth in the game.
• 27:23
  Like I said, depth is like the keyword we're going to use here.
• 27:28
  And I like it a lot. I love this fucking game.
• 27:30
  Thus far, I don't think it's a game that was made with
• 27:37
  everybody in mind. I definitely couldn't see Logan
• 27:43
  loading up Walters gate and having that great of a time.
• 27:46
  You know what I mean? Like, I really just don't.
• 27:49
  Yeah. Which is a shame because I think
• 27:51
  he truly would have a lot of fun just in getting the character
• 27:54
  stuff going right. I think that's a lot of fun for
• 27:57
  people. But I get it, you know, for some
• 27:59
  people that's they like this. I mean, I can say for certain
• 28:01
  that if you asked me to play this a year ago, I probably
• 28:03
  would have told you no. I would have been like, oh, it's
• 28:05
  like D&D nerd. I don't want to play that, like,
• 28:08
  but I started playing D&D at the beginning of the year.
• 28:11
  So I've been into it ever since because I like crafting stories
• 28:15
  and I like making great memories with you guys.
• 28:17
  When we play, you know, I've we got tons of clips of us saying
• 28:20
  just the dumbest stuff and sometimes we don't clip it and
• 28:22
  that's even better cuz it's like a little memory or whatever.
• 28:25
  But you know, I don't, I don't see Logan playing it either.
• 28:31
  I just wish he did, cuz I think he would be really good at it.
• 28:34
  Yeah, no, I think he would be too.
• 28:36
  But I just, like I said, I think with how the game is played, I
• 28:40
  think that the pace of which the game is also played and the pace
• 28:44
  it wants you to play at. It's not for everybody, and
• 28:48
  that's fine. I don't think it needs to be for
• 28:50
  everybody. I enjoy it because I enjoy D&DI,
• 28:54
  enjoy fantasy stories like this. I mean, I would love to see
• 28:57
  something like this 40K, you know?
• 28:58
  I mean like that would be fucking wild and who knows
• 29:01
  right? There could be a somebody might
• 29:03
  do a total conversion mod that turns it into Warhammer and they
• 29:06
  use AI to make the. I mean that's that's something
• 29:08
  absolutely that could happen. They were they were modding the
• 29:10
  game in Early Access like. I think we're gonna see a huge.
• 29:16
  Boom of Baldur's Gate clumps. You're going to have some people
• 29:23
  trying to emulate it. You're going to have some people
• 29:25
  going after it that will, because at the end of the day,
• 29:28
  think of it this way, like, this is a market of people that might
• 29:32
  be desirable to some other developers, right?
• 29:34
  So they want to get in on it. So they're going to do something
• 29:36
  that's similar, but like we talked about in the Spawn camp
• 29:40
  Discord a week ago or so, right when the game had come out, we
• 29:44
  were talking about stuff like this.
• 29:45
  And Brody brought up a great point of, you know, it's their
• 29:49
  companies and they're beholding to to shareholders.
• 29:51
  So Larian has a unique position. Like he said, I know I'm going a
• 29:56
  little bit businessy with it, but basically Larian.
• 29:58
  Could have it For context though.
• 30:00
  Larian, Larian could afford to do this like it was a big risk,
• 30:04
  but it pulled up. Let you know they pulled it off
• 30:05
  and and you can not only feel that they pulled it off because
• 30:08
  they were smart about what they did but there's a lot of love
• 30:10
  and what they did too which is the best.
• 30:13
  That's also why I think people are so drawn to it is it's like
• 30:15
  oh it's from a developer that's not unknown.
• 30:18
  They have made plenty of great games prior.
• 30:21
  This one is huge for them. It's like D&D it's got a lot of
• 30:25
  different options. It's funny it's it looks great
• 30:28
  and the gameplay like you said is not forever.
• 30:30
  Just the game in general is not for everybody, but you know, the
• 30:33
  gameplay itself, I think for what it is, is fun and makes it
• 30:36
  work and you have that appeal to it and people go, oh, but they
• 30:42
  did all those things and they did it because they wanted to
• 30:45
  and they liked it and they had fun with it and it.
• 30:47
  You can feel that when you play the game.
• 30:49
  It's like, yeah, that's why people are drawn to it as well.
• 30:52
  Because every other game feels like a just a corporate clone.
• 30:56
  Like, OK, send this one out into the death pit and see what it
• 30:58
  does, You know, maybe it'll do good, maybe it won't, but who
• 31:01
  cares? We got the next one coming
• 31:02
  anyway. Right.
• 31:04
  And that's which is funny. This is so far.
• 31:05
  It's funny because we just talked about Call of Duty at the
• 31:07
  beginning of this and I'm kind of excited for it, but so I'm
• 31:10
  perpetuating the problem. But.
• 31:12
  You get what I'm saying? Call of Duty is Call of Duty.
• 31:13
  Been playing that for how, how long?
• 31:15
  But 20 years. That's the the anniversary.
• 31:19
  There you fucking go man. There's just, there's a lot to
• 31:20
  be soaked for with Baldur skate. Yeah, I'm excited to finish
• 31:24
  Story. And with that being said, is
• 31:28
  there anything more you wanted because?
• 31:30
  What my plan is obviously is do this this at this half hour
• 31:33
  episode for you guys and then when we do the full review, it's
• 31:38
  not it's gonna be I have a minute.
• 31:41
  I think it's gonna be almost a two hour episode.
• 31:43
  That would be fun. I'd be down for it.
• 31:45
  Me and Brody, yeah. So you guys, you guys can expect
• 31:49
  for the actual review of Baldur's Gate in super in depth.
• 31:53
  Our our plays them like our play throughs themselves.
• 31:56
  I think we should talk about that when we actually review the
• 31:58
  game. Our classes, what we did and
• 32:03
  that will be the episode. I'm excited for you guys to
• 32:05
  hear. But this episode I just wanted
• 32:07
  to talk a little bit about like, hey, no, what you're seeing is
• 32:12
  real. This game is the real deal.
• 32:15
  You should spend the seventy 60-70 bucks to play this game if
• 32:18
  you if you are into this type of thing, and it will suck your
• 32:22
  time away and you will get sucked in the virtual space as
• 32:25
  well. And if you're and if you're, you
• 32:27
  know. Somebody playing off?
• 32:28
  Really, I thought it was funny, but thank you.
• 32:32
  If you are somebody who's playing on like a PC and you're
• 32:35
  getting it through Steam or Good Old Games.
• 32:38
  I believe good Old games has a return policy as to Steam.
• 32:41
  So if you want, I'd say go through the character creator
• 32:44
  really quick, get into game, play the tutorial area and see
• 32:47
  if you think of, like, what you think of it, and if you like it,
• 32:49
  keep going. If not, turn it off, return it
• 32:52
  like it's no harm, no foul. Right.
• 32:54
  So I think a lot more people will get into this game if they
• 32:57
  could look past maybe just some of the gameplay stuff, you know,
• 33:00
  Right. I think once you get past that,
• 33:02
  because for me that's the most difficult thing is I'm a, I'm a
• 33:04
  guy who plays primarily shooters and stuff like that.
• 33:06
  So there's a lot more thinking involved in this game, which
• 33:09
  yes, I'm trying to say that I'm a caveman and I know how to
• 33:12
  shoot things when I don't know how to.
• 33:13
  I don't know how to do a lot of the stuff in here and that's,
• 33:16
  but that's been part of the fun learning curve that it provides
• 33:18
  is it really makes you open up your your mind to the different
• 33:22
  possibilities of how you can win a fight too.
• 33:24
  You know, you think from my perspective, just to wrap it up,
• 33:29
  I write, I look at the characters and see they have
• 33:31
  weapons and I go, I want to use those weapons.
• 33:32
  But I don't think that I can push a barrel down a, you know,
• 33:37
  ramp or something like that and it's got a bunch of wine in it.
• 33:39
  And then I can use a different character that has a fireball to
• 33:42
  basically make the whole thing explode.
• 33:44
  You know, you don't think about that stuff all the time.
• 33:46
  And then you eventually just kind of go, well, I can't win it
• 33:50
  just by hitting them with a sort of bunch of times.
• 33:52
  I got to be a little bit more creative.
• 33:54
  Yep. So it's been truly amazing and
• 33:57
  I'm very, very, very thankful for the experience Larry and has
• 34:01
  given me. That's where I'm leaving that
• 34:03
  at. Same here.
• 34:05
  I feel that. All right, guys.
• 34:07
  Yeah, Like I said, we just wanted to get a quick little
• 34:09
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• 34:12
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