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  [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Raising the Bar with Rebuttal PR.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The podcast will be elevate the stories of the pain of Spar and dive into the key trends, shaping the civil justice system today.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm your host, Ray D. Lorenzi, and in each episode, we'll bring you insightful interviews with leading attorneys, expert perspectives on current legal events, and in-depth discussions on the issues that matter most.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Now let's jump in.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But what was your first case you worked on where you're like, oh yeah, like this is for me.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It was the camp-ligen cases.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The camp-ligen cases were the Marine-based camp-ligen that had toxic water and all the Marines and all the families that were staying on base were exposed to the toxic water and terrible cancers, conditions after it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I enjoyed the policy part.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I did not enjoy the policy.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, everyone.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to a new episode of Raising the Bar with Revuttle PR.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm your host, Reed Dealer Enzi, and today I'm honored to be joined by Jamie with who high powers of the Dolmond Law Group, which is based out of Florida, Jamie's in Sacramento.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Jamie helps lead their sexual assault litigation group at Dolmond Law.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: She's been involved in cases ranging from Roblox, which we'll talk about.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: She just worked on a camp-lision litigation.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We're so honored to have Jamie with us today.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, Jamie, for being here.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I hope you still have that excitement by the end of this.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see how it goes.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So Jamie, I always like in these interviews to take you from the top and tell me about growing up and coming of age and sort of the genesis to becoming a lawyer.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I know you grew up in the Philippines, so maybe that's a good place to start.
• 1:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I did grow up in the Philippines.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: My grandpa was a lawyer.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It was doing insurance law in the Philippines.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't know the story about him until later on in my I did not start off traditionally wanting to be a lawyer.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I have a whole another career in government policy.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And then at 30, I decided to
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I was really going back and forth, whether that was too old or if that was the right task to take.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And my mom, when I told her that I was concerned about that I'd be 34 by the time I passed the bar.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: She said, you know, your grandpa was boarding when he passed the bar.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And my mom's name is Barbara.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And they named her Barbara because she was born the year that you tossed the bar.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, how did you not tell me about this sooner?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So if that story, it was a no-brainer.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And like, okay, I can do this.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I can make this nice second career.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And here I am, like, almost 12 years later after starting off school.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just really honored to kind of continue on my grandfather's legacy in my own way.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: How old were you when you moved to the States?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I was fired.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you have any recollection of what it meant for your grandfather and what practicing law meant in how it translated into your own life and like what did it mean to be a lawyer?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was very young when he passed away, but his impact and the community, my mom would always tell stories about how he would help people who couldn't even afford, you know, his services, but it was important to him to give back to that community.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's why I wanted, you know, helped people, so it started in government.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I moved on to non-profit advocacy, so I worked for the Child of these Prevention Center at Start Child California, which focuses on, you know, early education for young kids, families who are, you know, traditional underserved in their communities.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And then now, you know, using the boss action
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  [SPEAKER_01]: kids and families that have been exploited online, I think it is in line with the type of work that that make them want it to bring out in the community.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So, hopefully, he's out there looking down saying, I'm doing a good job.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Tell me about your experience in the California legislature.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I know you were a legislative aid and a legislative director and a chief of staff.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What inspired you to want to go into government service and tell us, you know, who you worked for and what that in that part of your career?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I worked for then Senator Abel Maldonato.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He then began being a lieutenant governor of California.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And it was such a great experience because he, you know, was in, I don't know, maybe 2008 around that time.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And he was a Republican, but he was a moderate Republican.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I appreciated the opportunity to work in his office and kind of see how both sides needed to come together to get things done.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The like I said was was a moderate Republican, but it's in a democratic state.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So there needed to be a lot of compromise.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so that was really cool to see as like a young staffer.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: the need for both sides to come together for real change to occur.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's really where I saw the power of like community and grassroots organizing because yes, he is a you know state legislature.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But he came from rural counties.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so we would see the
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  [SPEAKER_01]: aspects of, you know, grasp through organizing within small communities and how, you know, constituents from Solina or Apptoes, very small communities in California could get their voices heard, you know, because of the needs of the community.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I was a very young person, you entered government service and have, you know, I think you're sort of like wide item, you know, very optimistic.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And then a few years in the meat grinder and you could leave a lot less optimistic.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What was your experience like, did you leave more optimistic about the power of government service or did you leave less optimistic?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I know California is a
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  [SPEAKER_00]: complicated state, but also you're working for, you know, a matter of Republican, which, you know, is now sort of a extinct breed.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So when you look back on it, did you leave it more promise or more the fetism?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You hit the now on the head, it was definitely more defeatism because you called it the sausage grinder, that definitely is what the experience was for me because even though I saw like the power of communities and grassroots organizing, I saw exactly how much special interests and the big donation checks really are part of the government.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I enjoyed the policy part.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I did not enjoy the politics.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so it definitely left me a little jaded, which is why when my boss was turned out, and you know, I was looking for jobs.
• 6:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: My heart really wasn't in state, in the legislature, which is why I think I turned to law school, you know, just because, okay, how can I, like, actually help 8% rather than just being a cognitive system?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So you typically see folks, you know, become lawyers and then they go into government service and work, you know, an allegedly true capital hill or and, you know, you did the reverse.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You already told me the reaction of your mom when you decided to go to law school, which it wasn't like that late in life, but, you know, what was the reaction amongst others around you was it sort of like, now or was it like, oh, about time, you'll be great at this and you know, what was the, you know, what did you hear from people?
• 7:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I talked to a lot of practicing attorneys at the time and the thing that they had reiterated over and over was like make sure you actually want to do this before investing essentially like four years of your life into the grind.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And at the time I was still like wide-eyed because I'm like, I, you know, I'm going to
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  [SPEAKER_01]: go in and get my law degree and make a change.
• 7:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm looking back like law school is such a grind and be told that it takes time here and the things that you have to put on hold.
• 8:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I definitely understand now if it were tough to me.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And this obviously is in scientific, but I know a lot of lawyers, and I know some who write out of undergrad went to law school, and I tend to think, and again, this is not scientific, those who had career experience, I think have a different view of how the law can work for people, and also I think probably handled law school a little bit better.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you look back on that, and are thankful for all the experiences you had beforehand, or do you wish that I wish I just got it out of the way and went to law school earlier on?
• 8:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm definitely thankful for the experience that have that like non-traditional path, but just having that like experience.
• 8:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: One of the things that they told me when I first started working for the legislature is like, don't marry your bills.
• 8:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: So like, don't get too much to the bill coverage that your boss has knowing that like, it's either gonna get gotten amended.
• 8:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna knock past the legislature or the governor's gonna veto it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: As I think that lesson early on helped me because I started practicing mass towards immediately.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so like, just got thrown into a mass fort where I was, you know, in charge of a docket of, you know, 300 clients.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: you know, that was like good training for me to just jump in and not feel like the full impact of a case was dismissed or a client passed away, which is so terrible and it's it's devastating, but I think coming in after having some experience, some compartmentalizing to a degree, you know, and I think about one of the things that has helped me in the transition from
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's a bit depressing that you built a resiliency on the back of a lot of the feet in a legislator, but, you know, it's an important skill to be able to get back up when you're knocked down and you see a lot of that in government service, unfortunately.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: When you're looking at young lawyers and maybe helping, you know, pilot them at your firm, however, involved you are in that in that process, do you have a bias towards lawyers who are not, who don't do the undergrad law school, direct path, and those who have some other experience?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I do and I teach it my law school and I just had a career fair, you know, really about a month ago and something that I told my students, we have like a resume building workshop.
• 10:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, put down your customer service experience because I like, you know, I like a locker, I like a young lawyer who is a bartender or like a, you know, or a server.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: because that tells me you know how to talk to people and you can deal with difficult clients and you can navigate the nuances of maybe having a highly charged client or a highly emotional client.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so do I happen by a say I actually do like I tell people like don't be afraid to put you know there's customer service background in there because it's very important especially in the work that we do.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a whole other podcast.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to go down that rabbit hole, but here if you're a bottle, if you have server experience or retail experience, I immediately gravitate towards those people.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I work through retail and college.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's how I learned to talk to people.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And this is such a great skill.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to go down that rabbit hole, but that's such a fascinating point.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: you leave the California legislature and then while in the law school you were at the child abuse prevention network and head start California I want to talk about the former first and why you decided to work there and while while in the law school and clearly that had an impact on you in the type of of law you practice today.
• 11:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wanted to stay in policy adjacent work, but because of the really great experience I had when working with grassroots organizations, I wanted to keep that in mind with my next job.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So the Child of these Prevention Network or the Child of these Prevention Center, we
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  [SPEAKER_01]: focused a lot on prevention and intervention.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so what that meant was we went to underserved communities and provided families with wraparound services.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so there were these community centers called Family Resource Centers that provided health clinics, mental health clinics, education on, you know, finances.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And really acted as a support for these young families
• 12:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Definitely needed it in the community because these were centers that were run by community members and that were trusted by community members, and so it was so great to work there because I was still advocating on their behalf to the legislature, so I was still doing the work that I, you know, had been trained to do, but it was on behalf of these family resource centers and it was really really rewarding.
• 12:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: What made it so rewarding, and it sounds like an obvious question, I'm leading you in the sense, uh, I guess particularly versus government service.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because we would see it and not almost immediately, right?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So there was this one family reserve center that wanted to open an after school program or their kids that was focused on creative writing, called 9116 Inc. And so helping that organization, you know, secure funding through local communities and then seeing the next year, it start and open up and seeing it
• 13:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: kind of as a policy nerd, like, you know how long these, you know, policy changes and government changes can take itself for me being already kind of jaded with the system.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And you see this like almost instinct gratification of seeing the impact in the community very quickly.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what made it rewarding.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So you're in law school and did you have a sense of what type of law you wanted to practice when you entered law school or did that evolve over time?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It definitely evolved because I had no desire to get into a civil litigation.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I said over and over again throughout law school, I want to get my JD so I could, you know, maybe go be a consultant for the California legislature.
• 14:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not necessarily worth an elected official, but you know, continue my work in the legislature.
• 14:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so there's this ongoing job with me and my kind of labels that I didn't pay attention and civil procedure, because I love that point.
• 14:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: They come in the legislature.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But when you have plans like always throws it back at you and takes you to a different direction.
• 14:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: When did the direction change?
• 14:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Was there a seminal moment that caused it or just kind of you fell into it?
• 14:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was definitely over COVID.
• 14:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was, you know, one of those realizations, like many people had a lot of time to think, kind of a lot of time to reflect on their life choices.
• 15:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And at that point, I was thinking like, why did I put myself through law school, why did I sit for the California bar, pass it, but I don't at least try to practice law.
• 15:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I got this contract job with a firm that one of my professors or husband owned the firm just to get some civil experience and after my contract was done I was like okay great I guess I'll go back to you know the legislature now the firm offered me a full-time job and I've been doing civil litigation ever since
• 15:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: You go from the legislature where things move slowly and then you talked about the child abuse prevention center where you saw that immediate impact.
• 15:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then practicing law, you could see the impact, but it isn't necessarily at light speed.
• 15:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, did you still feel like, or did you feel then, you still feel that, you still get your fill of that impact in practicing law that you saw in your advocacy work and maybe didn't experience
• 16:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's certainly a little step back from seeing the instant community improvement and that's like the drawbacks of working specifically in NDLs, right?
• 16:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, why did I choose and divide it?
• 16:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I choose complexly if I wanted like instant gratification knowing that these things now take like four or five C&M DLs take as much as 10 years, but
• 16:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, Dolman, logger, we, we started filing these first few cases along with, you know, and I've called ways to the others that you've had on the show before last year.
• 16:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And within that year, even though litigation is at a, you know, kind of waiting game right now as we go through these arbitration issues.
• 17:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: There've been a lot of change in the last year in terms of Roblox and Discord making, you know, changes, repiring age verification, and then even with the courts where like the meta-ruling or the meta-settlement and courts now recognizing that it's in the design of these platforms where the harm arises, you know, while the individual litigation
• 17:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: taking some time as they do.
• 17:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's been really encouraging to see these changes over the last year and a half.
• 17:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I definitely want to get into Worldblocks before we go down that road.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Can you tell me about and it could be the first sort of, you know, you talked about that contract where you did and what was your first case you worked on where you're like, oh, yeah, like this is this is for me.
• 17:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was the camp legion cases, the camp legion cases where the marine base camp legion that had toxic water and all the marines and all the families that were staying on base were exposed to the toxic water and you know terrible cancers conditions after it.
• 18:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it was helping these veterans.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: and helping these families feel 30 years later, 40 years later, it was like, okay, here's why I'm doing this.
• 18:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: These this type of work and deal work is hard.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's not for the faint of art, but I thought when I was like, okay, I think this is where I'm supposed to be.
• 18:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: For those who haven't been in legislative service, I think something that they don't appreciate, I think the best folks in legislative service understand that it's about constituent service.
• 18:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: And Campus Union is a case about, is it a government failure?
• 18:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's what it is.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And do you feel like your experience working in government, obviously at the state level, not the federal level, which Campus Union volves was helpful on how you interacted and communicated with people who were impacted by or poisoned at Campus Union?
• 19:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely, because that was one of the first, and again, like, legislative boot camp when you're in New Staff, or the, you know, throwing into this training.
• 19:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And a huge part of the training, is like, you know, we need to take care of our constituents.
• 19:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think from a very, you know, early time in my career in public service, it was like the focus is all the constituents.
• 19:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, yes, there's a jaded side to it because for your elected official like workforce, that's who votes for them, right?
• 19:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: But then at the same time, it's like, these, you're assigned to a district.
• 19:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're assigned to the constituency and when, you know, whether you're a legislative aid or whether you're a chief of staff who answered to that.
• 19:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, same thing, right, like, we work for a law firm, but you, your bills don't get paid if you're clients still.
• 20:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, same thing, you answer to the clients, and so having understanding about the importance of that touch point, I think, helps me when I start a patchsy law.
• 20:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to pivot and talk about your move to the Domain Law Group and now you're work with the sexual assault and mass tort litigation practice.
• 20:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Did you know that you wanted to work on issues involving sexual assault and sexual abuse or did that just sort of come about in a more organic way?
• 20:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And came about very organically.
• 20:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I actually had hesitation when, and knew that that would be the subject area, the focus area of the move to dull men.
• 20:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I was ready for a change.
• 20:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I did want to, you know, kind of go back to the, because these days where I was at the Child of these Prevention Center and where we were working with individual,
• 20:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: families and even some survivors back then and so when I was going back and forth between whether or not this would be the right move for me.
• 21:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was actually my husband who said, you know, survivors and what they'd gone through, they're the ones who need a voice like yours.
• 21:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then once he said that, it just, my heart cracked open.
• 21:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, yeah, you're right.
• 21:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're absolutely right.
• 21:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: How do you, or what experiences you bring to bear in working with the survivors and in many case, to family members when there's someone who's a minor and being trauma-informed?
• 21:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Tell me about the experience you brought that you felt elevated at work and made you more of a natural communicator with that constituency.
• 21:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I definitely credit that work with the Child of these Prevention Center because that's the first ever time I had been exposed to trauma-informed training or even like new what that was.
• 22:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so coming into Dolman and working with these survivors, it was a very problem.
• 22:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was a easy transition, but it was pretty seamless because the very core
• 22:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: at, right.
• 22:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so coming with that compassion, coming with that very human audience, the training from light days at Childhood Peace and Prevention Center, and then had start very impactful, very happy that I was able to have that training for the dawn.
• 22:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: When you are, let's say, at one of the mass tour conferences or AJ or, you know, take a pick, you've been a lawyer for, you know, a few years, but not terribly long compared to some other, you know, lawyers in this space.
• 22:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you feel like it was difficult for you to break in or be treated as, let's say, an equal or did you feel like people appreciated when they understood your
• 23:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was almost shocked at how welcoming it was from the very beginning.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it took me a while to catch up that my background and my lesser years of love factors wasn't.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: something that helped me back.
• 23:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm very lucky that like the attorneys and me that I've met through various browns and NBL, they saw my experiences as a strength and I really just appreciate that about
• 23:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: the MDL space, because I don't know that it's like this in other practice areas at just how supportive and eager everyone is to help each other despite the fact that like at the end of the day we're all competitors, right, but I think that's where an MDL lawyer like understands the landscape and is like we're all here to help as many people as we can.
• 24:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it was, it was very surprising, but a lot of surprise.
• 24:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: What gets you excited about working on a case like this?
• 24:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is it interacting with a client stool like the writing?
• 24:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you said you were to make jokes about your civil procedure, acumen, but are there areas that you feel like are your sweet spot?
• 24:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then are other areas where you're like, I'm going to get sharper and just wait and see.
• 24:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the sweet spot is being as loud about it as we can because I just think, you know, the more parents about what's happening, the more community knows what's happening.
• 24:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: It starts there with education and awareness.
• 24:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, talking to clients is absolutely what I love the most.
• 24:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hate that we have to talk in this capacity, right?
• 24:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I wish I could be speaking to these kids in a different capacity.
• 24:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: but my favorite part is just really talking with the families and being part of their home journey.
• 25:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just always knowing that these kids are.
• 25:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I have clients that are young as, you know, eight, nine, 10 years old.
• 25:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they're just wanting to move forward and wanting to heal from this.
• 25:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, that's one thing where it's just really I find a source of strength from, you know, working for the families and terms of what I, you know, I'm looking forward to improving is just going through the life cycle of this MDL.
• 25:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is the, I've worked on cases where we've had, you know, bell letters or, or some of the cases that are going to trial, but this is the first time there's like a lot of extensive work for some of the bell letter cases, and I'm really really looking forward to just expanding my smarts there.
• 25:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jamie, I always like to end these on a lighter note.
• 25:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: And for some reason, I seem to know many trial layers who were also yoga teachers.
• 26:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I saw that, and I was like, and just like another one is there's something about being a plaintiff's lawyer and a yoga teacher that these things go together as a coincidence and is it something that you get to teach off in these days or is it more like, you know, I wanted to do it and I did it and, you know, not.
• 26:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, just do it in your spare time.
• 26:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: What does that look like for you?
• 26:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: And can you also, can you prove or disprove my theory about plaintiff slurs in yoga?
• 26:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, one, I can prove your theory.
• 26:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's that I think the work that we, well, one life is hard anyway for everybody, right?
• 26:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like this this world is insane and crazy.
• 26:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think anywhere we could find some recipe and and similarly, however, that looks like it's great.
• 26:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think for plaintiff slurs
• 26:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we're all type A and some point we're all anxious.
• 26:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Some point in our lives are all points in our lives.
• 26:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think yoga is the perfect counter balance for that.
• 26:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I started practicing yoga in 2011 and then just continue practicing through law school and it's the one thing that's kept me.
• 27:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: like grounded.
• 27:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think that's your theories is correct.
• 27:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's more and more of us that are teaching yoga.
• 27:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I need to teach sometimes I teach at conferences.
• 27:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: They need a yoga teacher to lead a group of lawyers.
• 27:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes I teach at my law school.
• 27:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And for me, teaching lawyers and law students to sit down and breathe for an hour is really cool.
• 27:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I would urge anyone to do that.
• 27:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: sit with your thoughts and breathe and there's some magic behind that.
• 27:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I always say I'm too anxious to sit down and I'll do yoga, which is what I'm usually the worst.
• 27:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I don't know.
• 27:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, you're right, and I will take that the heart.
• 27:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: With that, Jamie Mahu High powers of the Dome and Law Group, thanks so much for joining the podcast.
• 27:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Peace out, my friends.
• 27:54
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• 27:58
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• 28:00
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