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Jeff Suffering: Ninety Pound Wuss | Furnace Fest 2023 Series · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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Today we have Jeff from ninety Pounds, unbelievably legendary tooth and Nail band,
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one of those early tooth and nail bands that everybody fell in love with.
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And it's been some time since you guys have really done much of anything,
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but we're really really excited to chat about ninety Pounds history, some of your
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upcoming shows, and some new stuff that's going to be coming down the pipeline.
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But anyway, how are you doing today, Jeff, I'm doing pretty
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good. It's nice and Sonny out here in Seattle and it's a great day.
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Yeah, I'm doing good. So there is some sun in Seattle that
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does exist. The the star actually shines. It does from about i mean
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all summer, almost every summer. It's the most gorgeous place to be probably
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in the world. I mean, it's the Pacific Northwest is beautiful. And
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then during the summer it doesn't rain very much. It does a few days,
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but the rest of the year it's pretty drizzly and it doesn't rain like
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it does in the South. That's where people get there face wrong. It's
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always constantly like just moist and drizzly. It's not. And then sometimes it
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rains heavy, but the heavy rain here is like it's not even comparison to
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those afternoon like Orlando, Florida rains that just dumped for a second and then
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all of it just evaporates. It's weird. So and driving through um like
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Louisiana I remember was we had to pull over because we don't see anything it
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would rain. It's never like that. You can always drive here when it's
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raining. Yeah, I I love like that romanticized thing and like all those
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nineties rom coms where it's always raining in Seattle and it just there's and they're
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always driving a jeep like a like a like a wagon ear it would be
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now now, yeah, totally. But there's like this like a romanticized feeling
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you have about it. And it's it's the nineties as well, so it's
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like the center of the world for a little while. I don't know,
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there's just something cool about it. It's still like, you know, it's
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pretty weird being here because there's such a disparity and like income for like,
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I mean, this is a big hub for tech workers. So there's Microsoft,
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there's Google, Facebook, like everybody has a hub here in Seattle,
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and you know, it's just, uh, it's interesting to see how it's
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changed. Like it's changed so much, it's not even I don't even recognize
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it from It's not the same place. It wasn't the nineties at all.
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It's just totally different. Everything doesn't feel like of grunge anymore. It definitely
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it's not grungy. You gotta go like south or north or east or west,
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and then it's still like that. In like Tacoma is more like what
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Seattle was in the nineties, and a lot of musicians who are from here
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live in Tacoma. Now you know, it still exists in the Pacific Northwest.
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I mean Portland's a little bit weird too, like it in the fact
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that it's also like there's areas of Portland that are just you like, can't
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even believe that this was Portland, like the place where it's supposed to be
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completely filled with homeless people, but it's like you crossed the street and there's
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all these tents on the sidewalk and then the other sides like total yuppie.
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It's it's so bizarre. Yeah, yeah, Well, let's talk about the
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early days of ninety pound was you guys started way back in the day actually
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the year that I was born. I just got to say that you guys
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started in nineteen ninety four, the year I was born. So it's been
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almost thirty years since you guys started the band. Let's talk about some of
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those early days. How did you guys get together and start playing some punk
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music and playing shows and all of that. What was kind of the impetus,
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what are the origins of ninety Pound? Was oh, wow, okay,
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yeah, this one's this one. We've actually discussed a bit recently,
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so it's fresh on my memory, which is good. So me and Marty
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the drummer went to high school together. He moved up from California, and
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instantly, like he shows up in my art class his first day and he's
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wearing like purple doctor Martins and like maybe a pure T shirt or something,
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and so we hit it off, like instantly. We were all into punk
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and golf and industrial and stuff. This was before Nirvana got popular, So
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we hit it off. We were friends for a long time all through high
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school. Like, he's one of my best friends in the world still today.
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And uh, we were in this band with other friends of ours that
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was more like a gothic industrial band called Systematic and um we did that in
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high school. And then oh, I gotta ask real quick, what what
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was your goth style? Were you like a mall goth? Uh No,
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it wasn't more it was even before there was hot topic in the mall.
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Yeah, yeah, for sure. So so it was more closer to like,
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uh like Smith's kind of oh I love this look. No, it
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was it was more Robert Smith of the Cure, all right, I think
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him and maybe like some some Bouhouse kind of things like we were the Yeah,
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probably the bands we listened to the most were probably The Cure, Bauhouse
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and that very first Christian Death album, which is like a has Rick ag
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Knew who was in the Adolescence and a bunch of other punk bands and stuff.
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He plays good on it. That first the very first Christian Death record
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is phenomenal and that really influenced. Actually, ninety Pounds was on all three
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of our records probably, But yeah, so we were kind of like more
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like you know, big spiky hair. We did wear makeup sometimes, definitely
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like into that. For you know, I was going to say some of
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your guys's early band photos, I mean you definitely look like a little bit
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of a toned down goth I would say, yeah. I think over time,
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like as grunge got popular and then pop punk started getting popular, I
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definitely toned down more and had sort of a hybrid look going on, you
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know, much more like a Yeah, I got really into like, um,
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you know, post punk, like Public Image Limited and like stuff like
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that that that you know, which is still pretty much then it was kind
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of considered goth anyways whatever, like Old Susie and the Banshees and whatever else.
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So um, we were we were always into and you know, I
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was always into Dead Kennedy's Subhumans, like Minor Threat, like all the typical
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either American hardcore or some of the more like British stuff. I really liked
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crass. Yeah, But early on me and Marty like bonded basically over goth
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and what the thing was at the time. In high school it was pretty
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much Nine Inch Nails and Jane's Addiction before Nirvana, like those were the sort
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of up and coming alternative bands. So it was that era and Jane's Addictions,
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like this hybrid of metal, punk and goth kind of all hybrid thing
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there. So everybody who was alternative love Jane's addiction. Like even though they
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they I don't know if they really like they're so unique they kind of stand
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the test of time, but they also don't because they're totally like in this
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place that existed and then was gone. But they were those two records.
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We were really into those. We were into the you know, the nine
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inch Nails, and then Downward Spiral came out and that was even like more
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intense. So um, Skinny Puppy, we liked all that kind of stuff.
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So um we met based on that and then later on like as like
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there's this resurgence sort of the punk stuff of like you know, Rancid got
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real popular. We loved Rancid. Um we just started getting it. We
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loved music in general, all sorts of music, but anything that was sort
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of alternative. Food Ghazi we were big fans of Food Ghazzi, Marty really
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liked Henry Rowland's band and um. But we all like before we met,
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I was I definitely punk rock changed my life and that was sort of what
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led me into liking the Kure and all that other stuff. So it was
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always like I always would be listening to you know, I'd listened to Bauhaus
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and then Dead Kennedy's or you know, Minor Threat, and then you know
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the Kure or whatever, like it kind of all blended at that time.
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So um, we eventually like we were doing this band, like, uh,
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well, how did it happen? That band broke up sort of after
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high school and me and Marty like we're still friends. And we were Christians.
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Me and Marty were like the two like punk rock golf Christians in a
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small town. So we were embraced more by the punk rockers and alternative kids.
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It's generally more than the youth group kids. They thought we heardos,
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but you know, sometimes we'd go to youth groups or whatever, and then
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um, you know, Tooth and Nails started putting out stuff and they,
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you know, focused Vow. I remember hearing that for the first time.
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I remember hearing the Star Flyer record and the Wish the first release Wish for
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Eden, like all that stuff, and it was like, oh, this
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stuff's pretty cool and there's Christians singing it. That's interesting. And so there
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was this weird group of punk rockers that had a big brawl in the downtown.
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We lived it. We lived in Port Angeles, and there was this
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riot that involved the cops. Oh man, I love these kind of stories.
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This doesn't happen anymore, right, I Mean, there's no like tribalism
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like this when it comes to music anymore. But like there's they exist all
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over like music history. I'm excited to hear this. So this was skateboarding
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and punk rock in a redneck town in western Washington. The town's called Port
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Angels. That's where we're from and grew up and we were skateboarders too and
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into golf and punkin whatever. So um, I wasn't there on the night
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of the riot, but a bunch of my friends at the city Pier because
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it's on the water got um you know, hog tiede thrown in the back
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of a police car and all this stuff. Anyways, it raised the actually
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hog tie yea like some of them, Like, the cops were pretty brutal
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on these and we were all freaking kids, dude, Like the biggest the
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oldest person must have been like twenty two maybe, but most of us were
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like under eighteen, so I don't know, but it was it was pretty
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threatening. Anyways. I had just left before that before the cops even showed
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up like I had gone home that night. But what it did was it
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sparked and triggered this awareness of the church community that were there were these at
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risk, violent youth in Port Angelos. And so the local Salvation Army hired
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this musician from LA that's an old punk rocker and his name's Jonathan Simonson.
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He passed recently, but I'll get to that. That's part of the news
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story. Anyways, he passed away, but he moved up from LA to
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start this teen center at the local Salvation Army. And while me and Marty
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are punk rockers and Christians, so we were sort of the first people that
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he talked to and said, hey, come hang out at this place called
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I don't remember what it was called. He might have called it the Narrow
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Gate, but anyways, one church was associated with it and d Gate,
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Yeah, and it was underneath of a Salvation Army. There was a stage,
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there was a music equipment, there was pool tables. So we all
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just started hanging out at this place and then eventually another church sort of co
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opted it. The church that my parents took me to when I was growing
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up called Independent Bible Church. Just generically it was an Evangelical Christian church.
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So but underneath of the building in this alley is this wall and this little
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door that he had to duck under to get in, and that's where it
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ended up being. And that's where we met John Hamilburger, the guitar player,
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because he was good friend. He became good friends with Jonathan Simonson who
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moved up us up, moved up to Port Angelos to help out risk youth.
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And so basically John Hamilburger was a part of that helping out risk youth.
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And him and this guy Greg and John Simonson had this band called Godspeed
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that was sort of like a metal punk band kind of thing, and so
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we listen to their music or whatever. Eventually they break up. Apparently Hamilburger,
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our first guitar player, was asked to specifically help me and Marty because
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they the church or whatever, parents or somebody thought that we were at risk.
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He was a little older than us, but he was younger than this
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guy Jonathan who moved up from LA. Anyways, he ends up starting a
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band with us. Like we're playing together and we're doing this. I was
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playing and singing and we kind of had this three piece going on that was
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more like a I don't know. We were trying to, I guess write
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things more fu Ghauzi ish but a little post punk and all this other stuff.
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And then our friend Matt Gunner Nelson, who was on the first record
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the bass player, apparent like he becomes a Christian, we start having Bible
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studies, and then it just turns into what became ninety Pounds and I just
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started singing and not playing bass. There's a little more to it, but
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basically that's it. And we were rehearsing in that space called the Narrow Gate,
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so we were making music there. I don't know if John Hammelburger,
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I don't think he was getting money from the church or anything. I think
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it was just he was. He ended up being friends with us more than
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like on mission to you know, save us or whatever. So we just
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ended up forming this band. And when did you find out that the church
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was trying to get him to do this? I didn't find out. Actually,
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we didn't find out until we got back together. This last iteration Oh
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my God actually said, oh, you know, there's this weird little tidbit
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that like they were like viewed you as like at risk youth and wanted me
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to help you or something. I'm like, so we formed a band,
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great, but we were friends anyway. It was just whatever. So um
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totally like the church wants to save its members, so anyway they So we
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would have Bible studies because Matt's like this new Christian in this like church place,
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and then we'd write songs and this is you know, by then we
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you know, we had like blender heads coming out, don't know, like
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all that kind of stuff in Seattle, and I had made some connections with
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them through going to like Cornerstone in ninety three, and I somehow discovered a
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group of people that were taking two Volkswagen buses from Seattle there and I showed
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up on their doorstep. Like this is before cell phones, and there wasn't
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much for email communication, if I remember correctly. Even then there was it
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was there, but it wasn't like everyday usage. And so somehow I went
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to Cornerstone in ninety three with all these people and then ended up meeting you
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know, Damian Gerardo, Dave Bazon, Matt Johnson, like all those folks
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that are now like friends, peers, whatever, like we've done stuff and
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you know, made music and hung out, so I ended up kind of
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fitting in with them, and MxPx was in Bremerton, which is like,
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you know, one of the next door cities to Port Angelos. It's probably
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still like an hour away, but but it's like close by on on what's
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called the Olympic Peninsula and Washington, so they're still from the Olympic Peninsula.
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And we were putting on our own shows, and so we did an mx
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PX show and I was in this othern band that was still kind of golf
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called This Suffering at that time. That was basically the sequencing stuff. My
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friend James playing guitar, and Teresa, who's you know, been my partner
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for all my life. We met in high school, so she was in
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the band too, kind of playing some sense stuff, but it was most
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of me and James. And then we played this show and I'm pretty sure
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it was mxp X plank Guy, This Suffering and something else. Ninety Pound
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was hadn't played with those guys yet, and that's how I met Mike Herrera
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and everybody else. And you know, I think they just probably thought it
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was some weirdo. I'm like rolling off the speaker and act, you know,
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as far as Christian bands goes. We were pretty into like the tooth
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and nail stuff and the Scattered Few and the Lifesavers underground like things like that
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at the time, and then we were all into sort of all the you
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know, regular stuff that wasn't as as as nuanced into a market sort of
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category as Christian rock was. So we met them eventually ninety Pound was just
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playing with them, but early on, like that's basically how that first record
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was written, like a Bible study and then writing songs, and so there's
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a lot of so the lyrics on that record are basically written on the spot
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from what we were like reading or studying. Not all the songs, but
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most of them. And so that's why there's a component that I later changed
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as we got signed and started touring. I'm realizing, hold on, I'm
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like really piging holding myself and my art and like everything I'm doing by like
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being so like blatant, and we're not even writing songs. Like it was
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a whole different thing once we actually were on a record label and stuff.
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It wasn't just friends hanging out on a you know, but everything happened so
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fast that those were the songs we had, we didn't even think about changing
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them or whatever, and I probably wouldn't have at the time because I agreed
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with you know, most of the stuff that was going on there. And
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so that record stands out lyrically and kind of sonically as it's different from where
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the direction that we started moving in, which you know, makes sense given
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my background and given everything and people quitting the band and different people coming in
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and whatever else. It to me, there's a clear trajectory that there was
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all always like ninety Pounds was always had singalong, catchy songs on all three
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records, and we always even on the first record asd Read. There's a
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few others, maybe Telephone Wire, that had like a sort of post punk
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influenced experimental hardcore thread going through it. So for me, there's a cohesiveness,
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but it doesn't necessarily sound like that if you listen to all individually,
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except for my vocals maybe, although even those on all three records are different.
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So yeah, but that's basically that's the early origin stories the ninety pound
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wiss actually comes one more detail. When we were practicing, Marty was super
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scrawny all the time. Now we're middle aged, so not so much but
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he used to be super scrawny. And remember those like old like advertisements for
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like in the back of old like comic books and magazines that said, don't
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be a ninety pound weekling or whatever, And so we translated that into ninety
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pound Wisson, We're Mocking Marty and that became the band name. That's cool.
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When you went to Cornerstone and you're meeting all these, uh these heavy
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hitters of like the Christian music world, great songwriters and everything, how did
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you how did you get in with them? Was it uh like like were
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you like showing them like your tapes or were you just like trying to hang
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No, they were all friends with the people that I caravan over there with
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and that vand and they all went to like a Calvary Chapel and that's how
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they knew each other. They went to the Calvary Chapel youth group in Seattle.
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It was called Crew and um it was really popular because there were they'd
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have put on shows and concerts and stuff. But no, none of those
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people were anything to anybody at that time. That was right, right.
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That was the Cornerstone where like dig Hay Suits played and like um a Tooth
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and Nail was just starting but still had all the southern California bands and so
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it wasn't I mean, maybe Blenderhead might to play it. I don't remember,
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but um Blenderhead for sure played like ninety four and I think we played
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in ninety five. But either way, it was still like early, like
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mx hadn't shown up there. It was still like Tooth and Nail was just
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coming on the scene. So it was like definitely probably if there was any
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anything, it was like focused, maybe unashamed, you know, star Flyer
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fifty nine, probably joy electric like it was. It was. It was
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really early. That's that's a crew to be to be a part of them.
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So is that sort of the beginning of the story of how you guys
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eventually get signed to Tooth and Nail. Obviously there is the Seattle connection there.
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I'm guessing there's something there, but yeah, what's the story behind eventually
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getting signed to Tooth and Nil. So we were good friends with MxPx because
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we were putting on shows and Mike has said this a bunch and we say
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it too, right that like they were you know, on the Olympic Peninsula
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hours away, like an hour away from us doing shows themselves, putting them
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on, and we were doing the same thing out here, so we would
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start we started playing shows together, and so we were a little older than
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those guys, and they kind of like latched onto us like big brook,
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Like we were there a big brother. But you know, they've always been
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more experienced than us. I mean they just always have and even from the
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get go, more popular and all that stuff. But they really latched onto
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us and really took us under their wing. Although they might say that we
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took them under their wing, it's more well, however it works. We
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were peers and friends, and so that's probably the main way. So Brandon
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had moved tooth and Nail to Seattle by then, and he had come to
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a show that we were playing at Olympia at the Capitol Theater. Backstage with
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there was this like krusty spaz hardcore band we loved that we became really tight
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with called Behead the Prophet and No Lord Shall Live and they used to be
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called Muckle to Ferries before that, and they were one of the like Northwest
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premier sort of outpunk queercore bands, and we loved them a lot. They
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were just really great and crazy, really influential on like the probably the second
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ninety pound Whass record for sure, the way that they were so chaotic and
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they had like an electric violin player who was you know, three times their
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age. He's like in his sixties and just like playing really ripping fact like
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the weirdest band I think I've ever heard. Oh yeah, check him out.
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Be had the prophet no Lord shall live there probably on got some YouTube
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videos. They're so noisy. But Joshua Plague is the was the singer,
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and we became really good friends and he ended up actually he was the roadie
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for ninety Pound Wass on our last tour that we did. But yeah,
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they were just a great band, and so we were playing a show with
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them, first time we ever played with them, and I don't remember who
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else played that show, but Brandon Evil shows up and he liked the fact
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that I was so like dynamic and kind of all over the place and crazy
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on stage, and so that's basically I think they were doing a that comp
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I'm your Biggest fan, and so they asked us to be on that,
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and I think that's probably how they gauged who they were going to sign that
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would fit with MxPx, and we were kind of a no brainer, same
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same part of the world, you know, like an hour away on the
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Olympic Peninsula, which is basically like redneck Haven. Um so, and we
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didn't you know, we had a lot in common with MxPx doing our own
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shows, promoting ourselves. So we get we get on that comp They liked
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the song. We were playing really basic, simple stuff at the time because
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Matt was just learning how to play bass and um I was sort of relearning
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what it meant from um you know, to to yell and scream and duke
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punk rock and satire and things like that as I, you know, my
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golf bands were a little bit more serious or whatever. So we uh,
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it was pretty fun and it was just a good time is essentially. And
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so there's a lot of like joking around on that record and a lot of
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like just us being goofy, and you know, a lot of it.
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I don't like, there's some songs I probably will never play again from that
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record. I have a sort of fondness for him, but like, like
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the subject matter of girls song is fine, but I think that my execution
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and the lyrics are kind of really immature, and I don't know if i'd
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want to necessarily. I know it's a fan favorite, but we're definitely not
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playing that this year, so maybe the future. But there's some stuff like
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that that just a little embarrassing, not necessarily the content as much as the
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way that I approach those things, and I think it shows from what we
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ended up doing and becoming. Yeah, but I think that basically we got
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signed a Tooth and Nail because of Mxpis probably, and then I was friends
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with you know, Matt Johnson from Blenderhead, Roadside don't Know and all those
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guys and everybody I've met him, So we were kind of already like in
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that scene and started sort of playing shows with those bands. Yeah, so
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it's just a natural fit. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah,
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let's you mentioned that you're not going to be playing a few songs from
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that first album with some of your upcoming shows. But one of those upcoming
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shows is Furnace Best and we are just so stoked to see you guys at
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Furnace FST. I know it's been quite some time since you guys have played
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together. It's been just over a couple of decades now, so it's been
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a long time since you guys have played, and yeah, we're just really
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really stoked. If if you're a listener and you still have not gotten tickets
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to furnace Fest yet, you need to go do that because you need to
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go see ninety Pounds. But yeah, well let's hear that kind of the
25:52
story around how you guys got roped into playing furnace Fest since it's been so
25:56
long since you guys have played. Oh the only reason I'm even playing music
26:00
pretty much and doing stuff again is because of furnace Fest. So um,
26:04
well, it actually goes back to Jonathan Ford, who was in Roadside Monument
26:10
and his current band is called Unwed Sailor, and both of them played furnace
26:15
Fest last year. Now, me and Jonathan and Doug and Matt from Roadside
26:18
all used to live together in Seattle. It was like our house would be
26:22
basically Roadside Monument and ninety Pounds, well me from ninety Pound was sometimes John
26:29
Spalding, who was our second guitar player, would live there too, but
26:33
either way, like we all hung out, so we were really tight.
26:36
We eventually actually formed a band together called Raft of Dead Monkeys, but Jonathan
26:40
was thanks man. It was fun so that was post Roadside Monument and post
26:45
ninety pounds was Raft of Dead Monkeys. Anyway, I went to see Unwed
26:49
Sailor in like up October twenty two, and he was really getting on me.
26:56
I didn't seen him for I saw him at the Roadside. They played
26:59
one show before they played Furnace Fest in twenty two and it was here in
27:03
Seattle, so I saw him then, hadn't seen him in years. He
27:06
said he was coming back through with Unwed, so I went and saw that
27:07
show. We were hanging out and he's just getting on me about like why
27:11
aren't you making stuff? You're very creative. It seems like it's who you
27:15
are and you should be doing it. He was really positive and inspiring,
27:19
and then he said I was like, well, you know, blah blah
27:22
blah, give him whatever. Excuses Like I have, you know, three
27:26
kids, one of them as an adult now and I actually became a grandfather
27:29
last year, so hey, yeah, thanks. So we are all different
27:37
life stages. Anyway. The point was is like I really didn't have much
27:41
of an excuse. I'm not really doing that much and I'm a better place,
27:47
like mentally, spiritually, like financially, all those things that I really
27:52
didn't have much of an excuse, and then he said, well what about
27:56
ninety pounds Wilson. I'm like, who's gonna place John Spaulding's part. It's
28:00
like, how on the hecker would we do shorthand operation? And blah blah
28:03
blah, and like we tossed around some names and then he just said,
28:08
well, you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna text my friends at Furnace Fest
28:12
and see if they'll be interested in having you play. And then this goes
28:18
back to our friend Jonathan Simonson, who had moved up here from LA to
28:22
start the youth thing. He passed away. I went to his funeral and
28:26
John Hemmelberger was there, the original guitar player of ninety times was and Marty
28:30
was there ran into him. This was just weeks after I talked to Jonathan
28:33
and I said, hey, Jonathan said this thing, and I don't know
28:37
if they'll call me or whatever or if it'll be a thing, but would
28:40
you guys even be interested in considering playing? And then I get a text
28:45
from a guy that I went to, you know, was a part of
28:48
mars Still Church with named Alex Early, who's a pastor up here said that
28:52
his friend Johnny Grimes was looking for my number, and I was like,
28:55
oh, well, go ahead and give it to him. Lo and behold,
28:57
Johnny Grimes calls me and as hey, Jaff You know, I just
29:03
was I really lacked ninety Pound wos like he's talking to me all about it
29:10
my best Southern accent sort of it's fall short, but there you go.
29:15
So I was, I was like, wow, okay, he really wants
29:18
us to play. And I just said, well, let me talk to
29:22
the guys and see what happened. So they had already said yes at least,
29:26
so there's three of us. There's always been four people in this band,
29:30
and we were like the rotating cast of spinal tap bass players basically,
29:34
instead we couldn't keep a bass player ever, and so um we ended it
29:41
made sense that they live in Port Angelos. I was over here, and
29:45
so I said, well, why don't we see about Marty's brother in law,
29:49
Matt Bailey, who actually played bass in ninety Pound, who was for
29:52
about eight months. He was also in the Outer Circle with Mark Solomon,
29:56
which was a tooth and Nail band, so he played bass in that too,
30:00
and so it kind of made sense, like, well, if I
30:04
just have to drive over there, that makes sense. So he said yes,
30:08
and he was already knew some of the songs or had played some of
30:11
the songs. I guess none of us knew any of the songs anymore.
30:15
And John Hamilberger played on the first record and then half of the second record
30:19
where Meager die, and then he had to quit and we had studio time
30:25
and didn't have the record finished, so we got That's when John Spalding came
30:27
into the band. He wrote the other half, so that he was in
30:30
the band basically for just as many releases as John Spaulding and I figured duel
30:37
we could try it, even though they're totally two different kind of guitar players.
30:40
Let's see what happens. We ended up deciding to have a second guitar
30:45
player, so we now have two guitar players. Colin Day, who's a
30:48
friend of mine from Seattle, is playing second guitar with us, and that
30:52
allows us to actually rearrange some of the earlier tunes. That so there will
31:00
be a different approach to like we'll be playing legalism, something must break misplace
31:04
society, like a few of the songs from the first record that have a
31:08
second guitar part that adds a melodic component and some other things that I feel
31:14
makes them stronger. Where I'm at now, will be playing shorthand operation with
31:19
even some of the overdubs that Spaldy did on the record, and it sounds
31:23
more like the record than we ever did live. So my goal with this
31:27
band was to be we got to be better than our or at least as
31:30
good as our albums. Try to pull that off and not be like we
31:36
used to be, which was just frantic and you never knew what you were
31:38
going to get, if it was just going to fall apart or if it
31:41
was going to be Every once in a while we'd play really tight together live,
31:45
but most of the time it was just like a bunch of energy more
31:49
than a good performance. So we want to kind of change that this time
31:56
around. I think we're older, we don't have as much energy. Still
32:00
will be energy, don't get me wrong, but I'm probably not going to
32:05
hurt myself purposefully. Well, not that I hurt myself purposefully, but now
32:09
I'm going to purposely pay attention not to hurt myself probably, So yeah,
32:15
that's that's basically the story in a nutshell of how we got back together to
32:21
make music was literally Jonathan Ford and Johnny Grimes beautiful. So I'm really stoked.
32:29
I feel like these synapses in my brain are connecting in ways that I
32:32
haven't had in decades, and it's just like all this stuff's happening. I
32:37
have more energy. I feel like a part of me has been restored by
32:43
making music regularly again and having friends to do that with. It's pretty nice.
32:49
You kind of alluded to this earlier. Is it kind of strange to
32:52
kind of tap into that older version of you or that younger version of you?
32:55
I should say some of it is because I've had a lot of really
33:00
interesting religious and church experiences that have led me to a place where my faith
33:07
is pretty personal. I don't care if somebody calls me a Christian or not.
33:09
It depends what day you asked me, whether I'd say I am or
33:14
not, and a lot of that depends on who's asking me and what do
33:16
they mean by it. So there's all these things that don't fit in,
33:22
and it makes me feel like some of the lyrics from that first record are
33:28
simplistic and naive and so there's an element to that, and some on the
33:34
second record. Pretty much everything from shorthand Operation I'm comfortable with most of the
33:39
second record, and then some select things on the first record. I'm not
33:45
opposed to necessarily for the fans playing that, but we have a thirty minute
33:49
set at Furnace Fest and we want to do have fun ourselves and represent what
33:52
we want, and so we are playing songs from all three records, multiple
33:57
songs from all three records, so not just like one. We are playing
34:00
some songs for the fans and some songs for us. So, yes,
34:04
there is some lyric changes that I've made, Like the second verse of something
34:08
Must Break I don't really resonate with anymore. And there happens to be some
34:13
ways that I've been able to change that that are very timely for where we
34:17
live in the world right now. Maybe we'll blog about it or something,
34:22
but yeah, so there's some things like that that that definitely At first I
34:28
was opposed to the idea of changing lyrics because it was a point of time
34:32
in my life that meant something. But then I was it's our songs.
34:37
I can do whatever I want. So then at that point I was like
34:39
Okay, I'm going to change a few things here and there. Pretty much,
34:44
that's the only one I've changed that we're playing so m and it's not
34:47
the first verse. It's just the second verse and then a little bit on
34:51
the chorus. But yeah, I don't want to get into it too far,
34:55
too much because it'll be some point of views are yeah, it'll be
34:59
a surprise. So it is kind of interesting to see artists kind of deal
35:04
with that question of like, hey, I wrote this when I was,
35:07
you know, eighteen years old or whatever, and I don't I don't necessarily
35:10
believe this stuff anymore. And a lot of artists refused to change it because
35:15
like they're like, that was what I wrote at the time, That's what
35:19
I believed at the time or whatever. And then other artists like yourself,
35:22
are like, yeah, I'm gonna change it because my life has changed my
35:25
viewpoints of change. It's interesting to see that, you know, And I
35:30
think that I think that there should be some more artistic license to change your
35:32
own music. I mean that that only makes sense, right, Yeah,
35:37
to a point. I also do agree with artists art and it kind of
35:40
like stamps a timeframe and does some other things the recording is that one percent,
35:47
So us moving forward, I feel comfortable changing those things that we want
35:52
to and it's not necessarily out of spike, because a lot of those a
35:58
lot of those ideas and beliefs and stuff. I mean, I was heavily
36:01
involved in a church and was a pastor at a church, a mega church
36:06
that went sideways, and so I do have a fondness for the ideas that
36:12
Christianity brings to the table, and I do have a kinship for If somebody's
36:16
going to talk about God, in my head, the only God that I'm
36:21
thinking of is Jesus Christ, because I'm conditioned to believe that way and think
36:24
that way. So somebody has to sort of like, that's not what we're
36:28
talking about, Jeff, and then have to take me sort of into a
36:30
different paradigm. And I'm interested and curious. So I'm not like dogmatic in
36:35
the way that I might have been during those years where I was heavily indoctrinated
36:40
into what I would call a church cult, but yes, others wouldn't.
36:45
But either way, like I feel very liberated from it. And also after
36:51
years of therapy, I feel okay to like talk about that and be totally
36:53
open with it in like a book, like I don't have any shame associated
36:59
with any new ideas that I have are thinking or ways or perspectives like I
37:05
don't. I don't have any shame for the old me. It just was
37:08
what it was, and I've dealt with it and it's sort of time to
37:14
move on. And you know, people in ninety pound Woos, there's some
37:16
people that would call themselves Christians and some people that wouldn't, and some people
37:22
like me who are definitely Like I said, it depends on what day and
37:27
news, who you're who's asking, and what we're talking about, because I
37:30
think that there's a lot of ways to define that thing. But but my
37:34
newest thing is it's definitely not a Trump supporting conservative Republican. I am not
37:40
that. I'm also not necessarily a Democrat, but right now I probably am
37:45
so that that has changed a paradigm that I sort of know what I'm not
37:51
and I think some pretty heavy things around not being that, and that's just
37:59
just way it is and where I'm at. But we all get along.
38:01
Like John Hemmelberger, he's like hast done a home church for decades at his
38:07
house and he's so he's a pastor of a home church. I guess he's
38:12
probably the most obviously over like sort of Christian person in the band, but
38:16
he's always taken approach to love and serve and respect and kindness, and that
38:24
that fits in really well. We're all like, yeah, well, I
38:30
guess that was not meant to go so deep, but there you go.
38:32
Like, so there's there's a lot happening with with that aspect, and we've
38:37
changed, and so now some of our lyrics get to change as well.
38:40
I like that. Well, I appreciate the honesty, you know. I
38:44
know, like ninety Pound Wiss has always sort of had this kind of interesting
38:50
relationship with Christianity and more so like the you know, Christian kind of industry
38:54
and all of that, And so I would imagine some of those questions that
38:58
you were already starting to have twenty plus years ago, and you're seeing that
39:01
evolution of those questions throughout you know, to to now, which I think
39:07
is really cool. So yeah, it's just it's really cool to see like
39:09
ninety Pound must being one of those bands that were like, m is this
39:13
like what it needs to be like? And and for you to like continue
39:16
down that path of questioning I think is really really healthy for for any human
39:22
Thanks man, Yeah, it's been it's been quite the journey. But what's
39:24
great. It's just like being in this room with these guys revisiting these songs,
39:30
like seeing if we were capable of doing it. We slowed things down
39:34
a little bit. We were known to always play at breakneck speeds basically like
39:39
you know, uh, Marty was playing d beats but like freaking like no
39:44
effects style DBAT, but like faster than any pop pop punk band. Never
39:50
blast beats always like that that the fat that the path that but so fast.
39:53
Sometimes it sounded like that, so it's kind of funny like no things,
40:00
and it's actually made the stuff sound tighter like as a whole, like
40:04
I think the songs just are tight. Here's what is blowing my mind with
40:08
seeing like the freaking lineup at furnace fst Oh my god. Like some of
40:15
my favorite new like punk and hardcore bands are playing like a Gel. Scal,
40:20
Zulu Um the callous Dale Boys is math core but like that those bands
40:25
I actually got. I've seen Scal, I've seen Zulu. I'm going to
40:30
see Gel in about three weeks and I got tickets again to see Scalin Zulu
40:35
appear because they're touring as well. And then I just saw callis Dale Boys
40:39
recently with their Rollo Tomassi tour on the West Coast. Talk to them and
40:45
was saying, yeah, like, I'm in this band. We're playing Furnace
40:47
Fest. I'm going to see you there too, like, and then I
40:50
saw Zeo they came through recently and they're old friends. You know, we
40:53
used to always hang out. It was so good to see them after decades
40:55
and just like they's they've gotten so good. It's cool to see my friends
41:00
that are playing music still like and reconnecting with MxPx guys on this stuff is
41:07
just it's been so amazing. I'm so excited for this. Uh. I
41:12
haven't talked to the Training for Utopia guys. They live here in Seattle and
41:15
I'm friends with them, but I haven't talked to them since they got back
41:19
together. But I'm excited to see them too. They're playing a show here
41:22
that I'm gonna go see. So all of us are kind of like doing
41:23
this thing. And there's all these new bands though. That's the coolest things.
41:28
Like it's not just that I get to see Jamie justa yelling at people
41:31
and hate breed and freaking gorilla biscuits and you of today, Judge, what
41:37
the heck? Like? This is like I can't think of a better lineup
41:40
for furnace Fest at ninety times. What's gonna be a part of It's like
41:44
everything that we love, So I'm so excited that we get to be a
41:47
part of this thing. Like every time I think about it, I'm like,
41:51
I don't know what I'm gonna do all day, Like I'm just gonna
41:52
be wandering around looking at bands. My hearing's gonna go or something like what's
41:58
one of the new bands that you haven't seen that you're really excited to hopefully
42:00
get the chance to see. Hopefully you don't play at the same time,
42:04
but yeah, hopefully. No, I haven't seen Jail yet. I'm going
42:07
to before furnace Fest because I just got tickets, So I'm really excited to
42:13
see them. What is another one? You know what? I actually kind
42:16
of like that I haven't seen them ever, But I kind of like that
42:21
band Holy Wars. They're really interesting to me. Yeah, they're more like
42:23
they're more like kind of like a punk rock version of garbage or something.
42:28
Yeah, and I was like, this is really cool and interesting. I
42:30
just recently listened to the oh vein FM. I got introduced to them because
42:35
they were on the Furnace Fest lineup, and I decided to listen to them.
42:37
That stuff's great. I mean, they're it sounds like they got a
42:42
few releases out, but to me, they're new and so I'm excited about
42:45
that. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, Chad and Johnny have are just
42:51
masters at assembling a lineup of like older bands and even obviously a ton of
42:55
bands that haven't played for a long time, and and then mixing that with
43:00
like really new, up and coming, really incredible bands. Uh. And
43:04
just that mix of like some of those older bands, those legacy bands and
43:07
some of the newer stuff. Like, they just are so good at finding
43:10
that right mix. It's been pretty impressive over the last three years of Furnace
43:15
Fest seeing that that kind of mix of older and newer bands. Yeah,
43:20
it's totally cool, like all this UF and it blends like all the genres
43:23
like pretty much, you know, there's like all all the sort of stuff
43:27
under the punk umbrella. Maybe there's well, there's not really any goth or
43:30
industrial, but other than that, like it's all there, like you got
43:32
pockymo hardcore, like some indie rock stuff. That's really cool. Man,
43:37
Me and uh my career, we're talking about this the other day and we're
43:40
just we're both really pumped on it. It was it was pretty cool to
43:44
like, I mean talk about Hate Breed has always been a really interesting band
43:50
and I'm just stoked to see I'm gonna see Hate Breed and then MxPx like
43:53
right afterwards, and it's like they both kind of uh, the singers Mike
44:00
and Jamie kind of embody like this idea of modern day sort of positive mental
44:07
attitude, right, everything that they sing about, it's like kind of the
44:10
opposite of me. Like most of the ninety pounds stuff is pretty dark and
44:14
like self deprecating and internal. Man, if we do new stuff at some
44:20
point, I would sure love to take a queue from those guys and be
44:22
able to I don't know if I could pull it off, but be able
44:24
to sort of like do something that's so like just like uplifting. Like what's
44:31
crazy is Hate Breeds so dark but they're so uplifting Like everything he says,
44:36
it's like, yes, I'm gonna go out and do something tomorrow and make
44:39
it count good. Yeah, hopelessly positive. Yeah. And x PAS is
44:45
the same way, right, Like you're like, oh yeah, let's let's
44:47
freaking suck life to the the marrow out of the bone of life. Like,
44:52
let's just have fun and enjoy this thing. It's so good. Absolutely,
44:58
well, we're looking forward to it. We're looking for to seeing you
45:00
guys at furnace fast. It's just gonna be a hell of a time.
45:02
And so yeah, we're really looking forward to it. Culin, should we
45:07
move to top five? Let's go top five most influential albums. Okay,
45:15
So this is for me personally or for you personally. Now when we say
45:22
most influential, and it's not the most like favorite or anything necessarily, it's
45:25
it's the albums that have changed you, right that that that kind of created
45:30
a catalyst for change within your music playing, or your personal life or you're
45:35
singing however you want to you want to put it. So. I was
45:39
fortunate enough to be introduced to punk rock through the Sex Pistols never mind the
45:45
Bullocks, Yea. As a teenager, somebody gave me a cassette tape that
45:51
had slare South of Heaven on one side, and the sex Pistols never mind
45:53
the Bullocks and Granted Slays great. But something about that sex Pistols record comes
46:00
in with the marching and everything else, like blew my mind and changed my
46:04
life. And I was like from there, it was like discovering seven seconds
46:08
Minor Threat Dead Kennedy's like Angry Samoans like all this punk like was the thing
46:15
when I heard that sou that record definitely has to be one of them.
46:22
This one's a little strange because it's the greatest Hits record. But the first
46:25
time I ever heard the Birthday Party, which was Nick Cave's punk band,
46:30
I heard the album Hits, which was when it first came out. It
46:34
was a compilation of all of their stuff, and that blew my mind the
46:38
way that it was so like a swampy and discordant and people are playing,
46:45
you know, one guitar players playing in six eight while the other person's playing
46:49
in like four, and like they're doing such crazy off the wall blankers stuff
46:52
that and he's an animal, like just like Nick Cave and that on those
46:58
albums, like you know, he's he's making grunting, crazy sounds sometimes with
47:05
this voice that are just bonkers. So definitely the Birthday Party as a whole.
47:09
But that album Hits was the first one, so that radically changed me.
47:14
You know, I definitely think that shorthand Operation are than last ninety pound
47:17
Voice record. My vocals were. I probably on some songs, definitely wish
47:22
that I could pull off that, you know, so do other bands Jesus
47:29
Lizard, whatever like. But that that was great, So um another one,
47:34
the Cure Disintegration, hands down changed me. That record is amazing.
47:39
Oh, Jesus is Off the Cuffs probably Swans. Their album Love of Life,
47:46
an early one that blended, you know, very very rock oriented but
47:52
in the industrial vein because of the way that they sort of produced it and
47:55
made it very driving and rhythmic, and it's kind of hard to listen to
48:00
super dark. And then I guess, uh shit, there's two that I'm
48:07
thinking of. Can I do six? You didn't have an honorable mention about?
48:13
Okay, I'll then I'll go with Dead Kennedy's Plastic Surgery Disasters. The
48:17
strange surf guitar tones in that that are still like filled with reverb and jill
48:23
like like vibrato thing going On is definitely changed my life, influenced sort of
48:32
the way that I think about punk, the sarcasm in it. The honorable
48:37
mention would have to be Subhumans from the Cradle to the Grave because it's a
48:40
concept record that has like the only well now that's probably not the only,
48:45
but a twenty minute long pop pump our punk song, Like I think it's
48:52
actually ten minutes long, but it's still really for a punk song, especially
48:57
he's known for like two minute James so Um. Sub Humans from the Cradle
49:02
to the Grave, that's probably my honorable mention. Those are great. That
49:07
is that is kind of like a who's who of of punk music right there.
49:10
That list. We can tell that the influences run deep within you.
49:15
Definitely, Yeah, for sure a huge threat in my life. Yeah,
49:22
I didn't realize like how like I obviously there's like some of those like goth
49:25
and industrial influences in ninety pound Wos, But I didn't realize like how much
49:30
like you really were primarily listening to that stuff more so than obviously there's obviously
49:36
some punk that you've been listening to for a long time. But yeah,
49:38
I didn't realize how much the gothic kind of influence was there. Yeah,
49:42
I think when when we made the Last ninety Pounds record, which has probably
49:46
got the best production, there's probably more of that tone in it. I
49:51
was definitely listening to a lot of Nick Cave stuff Birthday Party and Nick Cave
49:57
in the Bad Teams. I was listening to lots of Swans, Crime in
50:00
the City Solution. We we did like and we're listening to like a lot
50:06
of the like stuff coming out of San Diego, you know, like Drive
50:09
like Jhu and Freaking Locust and uh, that kind of thing. We loved
50:15
Gravity Records when we got into really like emo kind of stuff, right,
50:20
Heroin and Clickataticatawi Mohinder was a huge favorite of mine on Where Meager Die of
50:25
Self Interest. But yeah, anyways, so there was always sort of like
50:30
always this teeter totter between punk, hardcore punk and uh, you know,
50:37
I could go on about influential records, but yeah, yeah, so so
50:40
there's a I just remember those records definitely changed the way that I thought about
50:46
music. The first time I heard him, I dig that love it,
50:52
Jeff, what do you want to plug? Obviously you guys are gonna be
50:54
playing furnace fast and I think there's some other shows that you guys will be
50:58
playing as well, but yeah, what do you want to plug? Okay,
51:00
So I don't know when this is coming out, but if it July
51:07
twenty nine, we're playing our first show ever in twenty three years in Bremerton
51:14
at this you can look it up. But that and then I have a
51:19
band. We just released the record It's Love That album that is a beautiful
51:24
album art Holy count. Yeah, I just got these. I've just started
51:29
sending them out for pre orders. Um, it's actually going to release the
51:32
same basically the week that ninety Pounds played that show. But our streaming platforms.
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What we did was we took this sixteen songs or fifteen and we added
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another one. Anyways that all this all the streaming platforms have singles with a
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B side, and that's how we decided to release it because we want to
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sell our records and that's how you should listen to it. So we're kind
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of experimenting. It's a next experimental sort of like post pump golf, industrial
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noise band called dry Bones d R y b n Z all capital letters.
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It's just me and my friend Joe from Portland who sends me tracks, and
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it was essentially like a as I was processing leaving church and stuff. It's
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kind of it's mostly around that, and so it was very cathartic for me
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to write and work through. So that that's definitely the thing I want to
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plug because I know we'll also be making more music. Don't know if we'll
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ever play live. We've never been in the same room and made music together
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yet, so we might someday. We'd like to, but it's pretty much
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that. And then you know, ninety pound was we were talking about rerecording
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some of the changes we've made to some of the earlier songs and maybe releasing
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something. So if we do, it's probably just a seven inch or a
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streaming thing or something, but it's possible. And then writing new music is
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very up in the air, so it's not ruled off the table. We
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want to play Furnace Fest, get through that and then sort of see what
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we want to do. So you're saying we can keep our fingers crossed hoping
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for new you could, Yes, definitely the music I make will happen.
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And dry Bones is dry B and Z. I think it's dot com even
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as our record on it and stuff. Yes, sweet, I'm excited to
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check out Dry Bones. I have not heard you guys yet. Just look
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it up on the streaming services. There's there's They're all kind of different,
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but it definitely plays into the stuff we've been talking about on the podcast of
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My love for like goth and industrial and experimental music. It's it's more like
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that than a little bit of ninety pound was stuff you could you could hear,
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but yeah, beautiful, awesome. One last thing, was it difficult
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to uh to kind of like bring back out? And I know you talked
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about how like you know, your friends were saying like, hey, you
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need to continue to make music. You're a great artistic person. Or aren't
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you continuing to make music? Was that was that like kind of a fun
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thing to do or what was that like a challenging them to kind of to
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bring back to the surface or this happened a while ago but it never got
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released and we had it all planned and then like there's been a bunch of
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stuff going on between me and the other guys that um we've been going through
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with family and with you know, our our spiritual and mental health and even
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some physical stuff. So starting ninety pound of woos again was like, I
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don't know why we've dropped the ball in this, let's just get it out
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there and do this thing. And then it's been inspiring to like, oh
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yeah, we're gonna make more music. So um it's a pretty easy venture.
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He makes great songs in my opinion, that sends him to me,
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and I messed with him and tweak him and throw down some vocals based maybe
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some drum tracks and stuff. And now that I'm like, I've been learning
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how to actually use a daw better and you know, uh so I use
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able to and so I'm able to sort of like now contribute to making stuff
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in that way. Um yeah, I guess the only other thing would be,
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um, yeah, I started this like a a romatherapy candle company.
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I'll go really yeah, it's called it's kind of cornyed, it's just my
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it's it's my alias. It's called Suffering Light. So um we basically like,
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uh, it's out of my house and you can find us on the
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web. But yeah, I started that, and I'm I'm selling a romatherapy
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like candles beautiful, so like like, what's what's the uh what's the driving
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force battery? Are they like are they you know, like perfect like one
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sustainable? Do they last a long time or do they like like like what
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special sense do they have? Well, it's more like just for um,
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you know, sort of health purposes. And we started making them ourselves and
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then we just thought that they were really so they're good smells yea, and
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they fill up your room with a nice good smell. You know. We
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have like tangerine and like eucalyptus. Um. See this is great because Mason
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smells like a ninety pounds and he needs something to make his house smell better.
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Oh that's perfect. Yeah. Yeah, and Mason Mason needs a chill
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out too, so something to you know, chill out his mood to be
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great. I would recommend the eucalyptus one. It's very calmy. There we
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go, I'll keep that in mind. What's the best sense for somebody who
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has daddy issues? Oh well, that's really interesting because you know, I
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mean, since it's supposed to be some sort of therapy, I'm guessing it's
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supposed to help. You know, these sense have got to help different issues.
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So what's the best sent to help help somebody usually patruly mixed with rosemary,
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and it's very earthy, but it brings you down to like calm you
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down to this level and energizes you at the same time, and it conjures
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it conjures a therapist in your room with you. Yes, definitely, there's
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there's a spiritual therapist coming out of the candle. Wow, it's like a
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genie in a bottle. Actually, yes, well we don't tell the secret
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ingredient. Well, there we go. Sorry for speaking the tru Well,
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Jeff, We're so excited to see you at Furnace Fast here soon. We're
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just a couple months away and we'll uh, we'll see you. We'll give
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you a big hug and it's gonna be such a good time. So I'm
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glad that you're gonna be hanging out for the weekend watching watching some other bands.
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So I'm sure we'll run into each other at some point, but we're
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just super stuff. And also, congratulations on the aromatherapy candle business. Thank
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you, suffering life, suffering, my love shop in my bread signed in
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I'm gonna friend somewhere. You gonna find a way to si