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P-Valley: Carlos chats with Nicco Annan (Uncle Clifford) · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: You have these rappers, these comedians, these straight black men
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  Speaker 1: who are highly uncomfortable with the sex scenes between you,
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  Speaker 1: your character of the Clifford and Little Murder, and they
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  Speaker 1: say things like, well, y'all should have gave us a
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  Speaker 1: warning if that was going to come on the screen.
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  Speaker 1: We feel uncomfortable watching that without a heads up. How
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  Speaker 1: do you feel about that when you know it's coming
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  Speaker 1: from our community.
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  Speaker 2: To that, I say congratulations, because that is what art
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  Speaker 2: they supposed to do. Are they supposed to create conversation?
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  Speaker 2: Are they supposed to stir up the pot? It is
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  Speaker 2: supposed to be reflective.
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  Speaker 3: Stay tuned.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to my conversation with Nico Ahnen right after
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  Speaker 1: these quick ads.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to Realny with the King. It's me Carlos King.
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  Speaker 1: The King of Reality TV and one of the most
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  Speaker 1: sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten
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  Speaker 1: years a production experience. Twice a week on Reality with
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  Speaker 1: the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the
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  Speaker 1: entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable
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  Speaker 1: moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: rain drops, So usually I talk to your favorite reality
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  Speaker 1: stars or people from the unscripted world, like Megan McCain
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  Speaker 1: who's a talk show host from the view right. But
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  Speaker 1: today we have an exclusive interview with one of my
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  Speaker 1: favorite actors on television who also stars on one of
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  Speaker 1: my favorite scripted shows, Baby. I'm talking about Nico Onen,
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  Speaker 1: who plays Uncle Clifford on stars as p Valley.
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  Speaker 3: Nico and I both talk about what it's like to.
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  Speaker 1: Be gay black men born and raised in Detroit, Michigan,
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  Speaker 1: and how our upbringing change our adult life. In addition
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  Speaker 1: to that, we get into representation of openly gay men
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  Speaker 1: and women on television. We talk about how these rappers
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  Speaker 1: and comedians who are heterosexual men have an issue with
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  Speaker 1: seeing two actors have a love scene on the show.
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  Speaker 3: This one is so good. It's a bonus episode.
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  Speaker 1: I can now wait for you guys to hear it,
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  Speaker 1: just in time for tonight's season two finale of Pea Valley.
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  Speaker 1: Without further ado, here is my conversation with Nico Onen.
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  Speaker 4: Down in the valley with the girls.
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  Speaker 2: If you're throwing vans and you know they're gonna shake it, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: what's Carlo and you have a boys?
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  Speaker 1: We have so much unpacked here, So I want to
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  Speaker 1: get started by giving your flowers. I am a Detroit
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  Speaker 1: native born and raised.
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  Speaker 4: What I'm gone?
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  Speaker 1: What up?
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  Speaker 4: Go?
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  Speaker 3: Three? One three?
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  Speaker 1: I was born on the east side of Detroit.
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  Speaker 3: What about you?
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  Speaker 4: We still love you? I was. I was born over
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  Speaker 4: on off Joy Road and Clarity.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yes, that's where I had like first you know,
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  Speaker 2: birth through third grade, and then I moved. We moved
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  Speaker 2: to Rosedale Park over on the west side, so six
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  Speaker 2: miles south Field Freeway.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, I just love it.
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  Speaker 1: And you do a good job at wrapping the d
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  Speaker 1: I'm an openly gay black man born and raised in Detroit, Michigan,
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  Speaker 1: moved to Atlanta, Hollywood to make it big in the
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  Speaker 1: reality TV world. And when I look at you, Nico,
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  Speaker 1: you remind me of somebody that little gay black boys
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  Speaker 1: from Detroit like me when I was a kid could
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  Speaker 1: watch this show and look up to them because there
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  Speaker 1: was no representation of that when I was growing up.
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  Speaker 1: And I get that a lot from my community, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you.
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  Speaker 3: Get that a lot too.
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  Speaker 1: So what does it mean that you are breaking down,
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  Speaker 1: you know, walls in this industry in terms of being
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  Speaker 1: this phenomenal actor but also just this phenomenal human being.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Come on, now, what does it mean? It means I'm
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  Speaker 2: doing my job. It means that I am present and
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  Speaker 2: not my job as working over for the network over
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  Speaker 2: at Stars. I'm told being my job as a human being.
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  Speaker 2: I never like aspired to be in everybody's house, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: Like I was like, I'm not trying to be that
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  Speaker 4: much of a hole, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like for me, I really, for real, I
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  Speaker 2: really just was trying to be the best that I
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  Speaker 2: could be, you know. And I think through that process
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  Speaker 2: that this has happened. I just wanted to tell stories.
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  Speaker 2: I just wanted to be an artist. You know. At
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  Speaker 2: first it was just I want to dance, and then
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  Speaker 2: that dance grew into storytelling in a different kind of way.
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  Speaker 4: And I say to the boys.
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  Speaker 2: And the girls and the vims that are of younger generations,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes the opposition is the very thing that shapes you
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  Speaker 2: into being.
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  Speaker 4: The tool to be able to be used. There were
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  Speaker 4: so many times that people told me that I was
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  Speaker 4: not enough of this or too much.
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  Speaker 2: Of that, whether that was my size, whether that was
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  Speaker 2: my color, whether that was physical attributes, or whether that
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  Speaker 2: was my personality and throughout it all like God had
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  Speaker 2: just made a way for me to be used in
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  Speaker 2: a way that I didn't necessarily see coming. And I
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  Speaker 2: would also say to them, don't be discouraged by the
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  Speaker 2: slow burn, the slow burn of your career, of your love,
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  Speaker 2: of your life, your aspirations, whatever that is.
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  Speaker 4: I'm speaking generally.
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  Speaker 2: But the slow burn, because the slow burn of this
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  Speaker 2: moment for me is indeed a part of the secret
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  Speaker 2: sauce that makes it so palpable for most people. It
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  Speaker 2: is what makes me be able to digest this moment.
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  Speaker 2: So when you say, like how do you feel and
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  Speaker 2: all this stuff, I do not feel any different than
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  Speaker 2: I did when we were doing the workshop plays of
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  Speaker 2: Pea Valley or Pussy Valley at the time in two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and nine, when we were going to the Lark Theater,
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  Speaker 2: when we were going to the Hip Hop Theater Festival,
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  Speaker 2: when we were into the Apollo, when we were going
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  Speaker 2: to Marcus Vineyard and the other like different places where
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  Speaker 2: Katory works out the place or in DC.
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  Speaker 4: You know, this has allowed me to do that.
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  Speaker 1: You are inspiring the people, and you're also inspiring me
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  Speaker 1: because what you're saying is so true We're both openly.
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  Speaker 3: Gave black men from Detroit, Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: We know that in Detroit at the times we were
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  Speaker 1: growing up, there wasn't much happening in the city. So
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  Speaker 1: the fact that I tell people my story of being
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  Speaker 1: twenty five years old, you know, I was an intern
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  Speaker 1: at BT at twenty five, Whereas most people will say, child,
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  Speaker 1: if I'm not a millionaire by that age, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: give up, you know, my trajectory. And here I am
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  Speaker 1: at forty two years old, living my best life. But
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  Speaker 1: I did that because of the trajectory that was meant
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  Speaker 1: for me. And if I would have given up early,
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  Speaker 1: I would not be talking to one of the greatest
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  Speaker 1: actors of all time. So being somebody in this business,
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  Speaker 1: were you always Nico?
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  Speaker 3: Were there ever.
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  Speaker 1: Times you put aside your sexuality to focus on the
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  Speaker 1: work or were you always somebody that felt comfortable being
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  Speaker 1: openly gay when you got your start in Hollywood?
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  Speaker 2: So the answer to that question, I think goes back
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  Speaker 2: to me a little bit more into my training. So
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  Speaker 2: in high school, so I went to cast Tech.
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  Speaker 3: Ooh, you're smart. Just a my listeners know. Cast Tech
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  Speaker 3: is one.
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  Speaker 1: Of the accredited high schools in Detroit, and here's some
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  Speaker 1: tea for y'all. I took the test to go to
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  Speaker 1: cast Tech and I failed.
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  Speaker 4: It's all right, it's all right. How many times did
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  Speaker 4: you take the test?
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  Speaker 3: Once?
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  Speaker 4: Why you ain't go back?
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  Speaker 3: I was embarrassed.
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  Speaker 2: See see that's when you needed an Uncle Clifford rule
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  Speaker 2: to tell you sometimes you got to turn the window
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  Speaker 2: to the door. Don't just take one exit or one
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  Speaker 2: reason as your only yes or no. There's always, always,
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  Speaker 2: always another way. When people would be like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Cliffered, just give up the club, and I'm like, listen,
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  Speaker 2: there is where there is a will, my god, there
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  Speaker 2: is a way.
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  Speaker 4: So turn that dough to a windows. Where did you go?
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna have me embarrass myself some more?
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  Speaker 4: N you went to Servanty, don't do me?
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  Speaker 3: I was probably where'd you go?
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  Speaker 4: Child?
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  Speaker 3: I went to Fennie High School?
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  Speaker 4: Don't play.
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  Speaker 2: My cousin Tania, God rest her soul, she went to
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  Speaker 2: Phinney don't play. And my mama went to Kettering. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: see see you you you got the uh the respectability
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  Speaker 2: politics going on in your head.
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  Speaker 4: You need to let that go. You need to let
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  Speaker 4: that go.
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  Speaker 2: See you are one of the people that I've been
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  Speaker 2: talking about online with, well, why they gotta sound like
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  Speaker 2: this this because this is how we talk. Hey, So
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  Speaker 2: this is who we are. This is who we are.
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  Speaker 2: So we're not gonna be ashamed of that. We're gonna
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  Speaker 2: embrace that and show the royalty that we all are.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, I was just ashamed that the school is
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  Speaker 1: now burned down to the ground and Feinni no longer exists.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm with you, Miko.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, come on, It's called a phoenix. But we got
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  Speaker 2: to move on because I'm not gonna gonna give you
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  Speaker 2: there you go.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So back when I was in high school, I was
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  Speaker 2: my my drama teacher, Marilyn McCormick. Most people who went
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  Speaker 2: to CAZ and had some experience in the arts know
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  Speaker 2: this woman.
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  Speaker 4: She is a pillar in the community.
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  Speaker 2: She told me we were doing an improv sketch show
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  Speaker 2: and I was in the Pia Guild and it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of like Saturday Night Live.
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  Speaker 4: Or Mad TV.
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  Speaker 2: And so there was one day we were performing a show.
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  Speaker 2: It was probably like maybe fourth or fifth period. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm really going back into high school, right, and there
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  Speaker 2: were we were doing this comedy sketch and I was.
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  Speaker 4: On stage, but I couldn't.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't get my lines out because there was some
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  Speaker 2: heckling coming from the audience with someone like the football
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  Speaker 2: players or the jobs, you know, just the hyper masculinity
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  Speaker 2: that was there. I've always been Nico. To answer your question, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: I've always been Nico. I've never been taught to be
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  Speaker 2: ashamed of who I am and what God made me
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  Speaker 2: to be. So when this heckling was coming back at me,
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  Speaker 2: I was waiting for one of the teachers that are
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  Speaker 2: in the audience, you know, to kind of calm the
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  Speaker 2: kids down, you know, like get them to hush up,
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  Speaker 2: And I went to We had two shows that day,
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  Speaker 2: and in between the shows, I went to Miss McCormick
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  Speaker 2: and I told her. I was like, mc you know,
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  Speaker 2: you got to get these kids, you know, you got
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  Speaker 2: to get them together, you know, make them, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like quiet down. She said, that's not my job, Nico.
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  Speaker 2: That's your job. You're on stay you control the audience.
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  Speaker 2: So when you ask me that question, has Nico always
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  Speaker 2: been Nico?
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  Speaker 4: There has been.
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  Speaker 2: From that moment, there was something that changed in me
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  Speaker 2: that allowed me as a performer to know this is
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  Speaker 2: how you can take up space when people say that
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  Speaker 2: you are too big, you're too loud, you're too jazzy,
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  Speaker 2: you're too much pizazz, whatever that is. How is it
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  Speaker 2: that you can then use that and be present and
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  Speaker 2: use that as your superpower, As one of my friends,
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  Speaker 2: Delon Burns Size says in his new song Superpowers. So
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  Speaker 2: for me, that was about just being present. You take
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  Speaker 2: that principle in and of itself and you match that
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  Speaker 2: to what acting is intended to be, and that is being.
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  Speaker 4: Child.
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  Speaker 3: We are not done yet.
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  Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more of my conversation when Nico will
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  Speaker 1: be right back after this quick break.
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  Speaker 3: This is Reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get back into this insightful conversation with Nico. We
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  Speaker 1: have to get into your character, Uncle Clifford. We have
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  Speaker 1: some iconic characters in drama series from Olivia Pope and Scandal,
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  Speaker 1: Annalise Keating from How to Get Away with Murder and
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  Speaker 1: now Uncle Clifford from Pea Valley. Talk to us about
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  Speaker 1: who did you research in order to take on the
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  Speaker 1: essence of this role, because when I watch it, I
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  Speaker 1: literally cannot see anyone else playing that role. But you
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  Speaker 1: people say certain roles are meant for that person. Although
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  Speaker 1: you know a lot of actors auditioned for that role.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like that role was created for you. So
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  Speaker 1: what was that process, like you auditioning and then getting
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  Speaker 1: the role.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the first part of your question of who did
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  Speaker 2: I research and stuff like that, I didn't research anybody.
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  Speaker 4: I absolutely did not. I allowed myself to dream.
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  Speaker 2: I asked Torri, where when I first read the first
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  Speaker 2: sides besides of our part of the script, I've told
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  Speaker 2: this story. You know, this process all started with five pages.
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  Speaker 2: It was five pages, two scenes. Uncle Clifford was only
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  Speaker 2: in two of those pages. The other three was Mississippi
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  Speaker 2: Mercedes and somebody else.
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  Speaker 4: I don't even remember.
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  Speaker 2: In whatever it was, another character and it just grew
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  Speaker 2: from there. That was she just wanted to hear how
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  Speaker 2: it sounded out loud. It was a salon series essentially,
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  Speaker 2: that happened that she was having at her house. She
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  Speaker 2: was a writer an residents over at the Lark Theater
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  Speaker 2: Company in New York back in two thousand and nine.
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  Speaker 2: They commissioned this stuff, and she, as a writer, was
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  Speaker 2: like going through it. So I asked her, I said,
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  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, what is the story behind this, Like
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  Speaker 2: why are you creating this character? Because the description is
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  Speaker 2: what caught my attention. Eyelashes dancing like butterfly, wings and
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  Speaker 2: nails like eagle, talents like claws emerging from the shadows
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  Speaker 2: Uncle Clifford. She is equally masculine and feminine. So when
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  Speaker 2: I read that description, I was like, Oh, this just
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  Speaker 2: don't say drag. This doesn't just say flamboyant, This just
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  Speaker 2: doesn't say gay. So I knew that there was something
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  Speaker 2: special and tangible here. The two references to those animals
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  Speaker 2: of the butterfly and the eagle, they studying them. What
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  Speaker 2: eagles and butterflies do has been a part of the work,
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  Speaker 2: and the reference to the euryba deity Ola coun I
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  Speaker 2: think a lot of times in my discovery and journey
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  Speaker 2: and playing Uncle Clifford, a lot of people try to
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  Speaker 2: put on what they think or what they may know
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  Speaker 2: of the community and the hate and you know, all
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  Speaker 2: of that weight that.
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  Speaker 4: Can come with it, the discrimination.
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  Speaker 2: I am blessed and in the space of being able
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  Speaker 2: to know my roots, you know, and I don't even
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  Speaker 2: know them as well as I feel I should, you know,
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  Speaker 2: to be fully transparent.
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  Speaker 4: My dad is from Ghana. My mom is here.
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  Speaker 2: I went to Ghana for the first time when I
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  Speaker 2: was ten, so my mind was opened. So when I thought,
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  Speaker 2: when I was in my research as an adult getting
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  Speaker 2: this character, I'm just looking at all the different things.
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  Speaker 2: What are pieces that can come to me. One of
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  Speaker 2: the pieces that came to me was the African ancestry
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  Speaker 2: that the show has always had, and I knew it
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  Speaker 2: was lace in there. Victory never said to me anything
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  Speaker 2: about you know this specific deed. I discovered it because
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  Speaker 2: on the page, and just to give you guys a
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  Speaker 2: little context, on the page, it will say for like,
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  Speaker 2: for example, miss Mississippi, she moves like O'shoon and her
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  Speaker 2: waves are and if you don't know, O'shoon is the
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  Speaker 2: goddess of water, for the deity that embraces water, and
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  Speaker 2: that's why Mississippi the river, Mississippi her name. The way
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  Speaker 2: she moves, the way she dances is very it's very fluid,
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  Speaker 2: much different than a Roulette, a whisper, a gidget, a Mercedes.
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  Speaker 2: Each of the girls have a different dance style. So
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  Speaker 2: when I started to think about Uncle Clifford, I found
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  Speaker 2: about and read about this eurobu deity, Ola con Olacun
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  Speaker 2: being back in our African ancestry was always identified in
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  Speaker 2: both masculine and feminine measure. Sometimes there would be fit hair, face, gold, jewelry.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes they would be just a masculine face and body.
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  Speaker 2: But they it was said that when you embrace both
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  Speaker 2: of those equally, you can be two power. So they
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  Speaker 2: locked ola Coon up in a chest, chained around the
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  Speaker 2: chest and buried Olacon at the bottom of the ocean
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  Speaker 2: because the pressure of the ocean was the only thing.
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  Speaker 4: That could suppress that.
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  Speaker 2: That imagery and that story resonated for me for a
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  Speaker 2: level of resilience, a level of strength that I felt
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  Speaker 2: that a person could have when you do not allow
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  Speaker 2: society to say you are too masculine, too feminine, blah
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  Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah. That's a real in depth version
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  Speaker 2: of why. But then doing the production and the play,
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  Speaker 2: that is the stuff that taught me being in the world.
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  Speaker 2: The director and Nataki Garrett for the play. The fully
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  Speaker 2: produced play was done in twenty thirteen, fifteen, one of
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  Speaker 2: those at Mixed Blood Theater, and she had said to
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  Speaker 2: me one day, she was like, Okay, so Nico, it's
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  Speaker 2: time to go. We're gonna go and get your nails
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  Speaker 2: done and send you to the barbershop so you can shave.
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  Speaker 4: And I was like shave what? She was like your beard?
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  Speaker 4: I was like, I'm not shaving my beard. Why not
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  Speaker 4: shave my beard? Oh?
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  Speaker 2: You know, you know for the role. You know we
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  Speaker 2: need to start. You know, you can do dress rehearsal
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  Speaker 2: and things like that. And I was like, no, she
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  Speaker 2: has her beer. And there was a story behind that
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  Speaker 2: that's connected. You know, I won't even go too deep,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: but the story connected to the you've seen a taste
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: of it if you paid attention episode one, season one
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: of why her beard is the way that it is.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: And then they wanted me to get nails, and to
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: get nails crytics truly glued on and everything. That was
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: an issue for me because I was in Sank Paul, Minnesota.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: I'm in a different neighborhood. I'm in a different city.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know this place. I don't know the dangers,
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: the pitfalls, where's the bad neighborhoods. And it really brought
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: on to me the reality of the weight that non
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: binary people and have to walk around in this world with.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: So I took again, that's an example for all the listeners.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: That's an exam of when I talk about the adversity
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: shaping me. So, yes, they want me to do this
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: one thing and I'm like, no, I don't want to
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: do that. But in that space, I was able to
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: see and imagine what it could be, like, Oh, if
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: I take the subway back to the place my Airbnb
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: where they got me staying, Oh, I may really have
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: to go Detroit and like, you know, fuck somebody up. Oh,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be fighting with you. Do you know what
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: I'm say, I'm gonna be fighting with nails. I bet you.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Clifford has had to go through that.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: I bet you.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: So that is a part again, connect that to why
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: I'm going to keep my beard. This is not The
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Pink is not a drag club. The Pink is not
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Langston's in New York. It's not like your open gay
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: party like that, you know, and we're down south. The
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Pink is a castle that Uncle Clifford has been able
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: to create to have her identity.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: Do you understand what I'm saying.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: That it is a place where people can be who
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: they want to be, whether that is Corbyn or whether
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: that is miss Mississippi.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: The thing about the show is it's rooted in reality,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: based on Uncle Clippers World in Mississippi. And what's funny
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: is I created a reality show called Bell Collective, and
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Bell Collective is based in Jackson, Mississippi. And what's funny
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: is Patrick am Polk is one of my mentors and friend,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: and he said to me, bitch, you know, we watched
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Bell Collective to get the accent and the vocabulary and
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: the language right so that when we write these words
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: for the characters.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Is rooted in really Mississippi.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: And that's the beauty and authenticity of the show, of
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: you being a great actor and just the believable nature
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: that you guys bring onto the screen so much so
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: you have these rappers, these comedians, these straight black men
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: who are highly uncomfortable with the sex scenes between you,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: your character of a Clifford and Little Murder and they
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: say things like, well, y'all should have gave us a
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: warning if that was going to come on the screen.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: We feel uncomfortable watching that without a heads up. How
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: do you feel about that when you know it's coming
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: from our community, especially people in the entertainment industry who
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: you would think.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Would know this is a role that you guys are playing.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: It doesn't surprise me.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: It doesn't surprise me because that is a part of
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: what human natures we do. You know, when you get
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: uncomfortable with something, you either try to make fun of
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: it or you talk about it. It ruffles your feathers
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: to that. I say congratulations, because that is what art
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: is supposed to do. Are they supposed to create conversation?
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Are they supposed to stir up the pot? It is
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: supposed to be reflective. I think sometimes people can be
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: shaken up. Let's just say, because we are really striving
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: to be real, like real on.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: The screen and in the moment.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: We decided when we did the pilot presentation for this,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: all right, we're doing it. We literally it was our fonds,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Jail Fons, Nicholson, Brandy Evans, Shannon Thornton, el Rica myself.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: We were all in the set of The Pink and
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: we were like, okay, we were all in character, we
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: were dressed, and we were like, y'all, we we up
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: here on our floss. All right, we have naked. Let's
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: tell these stories. What better place to get naked? When
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: we stay down in the valley where the girls get
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: naked it's not about clothes. We're talking about heart, we
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: talk about mind, so that you can truly see who
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: these people are. And I think that a lot of
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: the community, whether that's the people who are represented in
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: the show, I think sometimes you haven't seen such audacious boldness.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: There's lots of great black shows out there or shows
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: that deal with our stories.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: I salute them. I support them.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: I think it's been a challenge to be able to
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: be so authentic where I say at the repass, oh,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: you know, I need something for the chitlins that I'm
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: going to get, and they come and it's a nice
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: fresh zip lock the little containers that you get from
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: the supermarket, you know that you can get with the
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: little blue lid or the green lid or whatever. And
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh no, no, no, no, no, I
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: need like a spaghetti used tulp aware bo and I
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: need a piece of fall huh. No, this needs that's
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: what you're gonna put the chitlins in, or you're gonna
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: give me another red bucket. But that's not gonna fitness
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: burke in purse. You know what I'm saying. That's what
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking about. I'm really thinking about, Oh if you
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: ain't got no bacon sheet to bake your biscuits on.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: You take a piece of the fall when you first
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: move into your apartment, or if y'all ain't got it,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: you take the fall your dad out, you put your
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: biscuits on it, or you as a kid, you take
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: the little nine to nine cent biscuits. And he was
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: making donuts. You know what I'm saying, because you couldn't
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: go to the like It's about the ingenuity to me,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: so it goes beyond just the sexuality. That's the part
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: I feel that sometimes people have ignored or have chosen
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: to ignore for so long. But I'm going to say
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: to you, Carlos, also as many people that there are
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: that are ruffled by their feathers, I'm proud and I
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: have to salute because I don't think we do this enough.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: The brothers and the sisters and the thems that are
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: out there speaking and being vocal and advocating. When Leon
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Sanders was talking about, yo, I need to have Uncle
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Clifford come and do the kickoff. You know, when Snoop
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: is sending me a message and he's advocating online about
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: how much he loves the show, that doesn't mean that
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: people are quote unquote connected to the community or in it.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, We black on't youir? Fuck?
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: What we're doing with how you identify whatever you've seen
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: in this black skin first? That's what you see first
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: before people see me. They often times may be more
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: intimidated because I'm six too, and I'm coming at you
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: like strong, shoulder, straight back, what's up? Do you understand
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: what I mean? I'm not trying to intimidate you. But
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: it's also not my fault. When you find those same
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: curves and that same mustang a little sexy, that's not
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: my fault.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: Talk to God. You should pray about that.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: And I only got this way because of the time, bro,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: because of the time that I had to get to
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: this moment. Do you understand what I'm saying? Because I
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: thought about this the other day? Because I oftentimes have
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: moments of just straight up gratitude randomly because I'm like,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: oh my god, it's still happening. Because the benefit of
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: this is that it happened during COVID. So for y'all,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: y'all people at the Pink Posse, which I just named
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: one day out of my mouth online. I was just
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: like y'all, y'all pink posse is crazy and that joker
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: call on and everybody's hollering about the paint posse. Now
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I'm here for it. But the fact that something from
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: my mind or from my mouth cannot test and become
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: something so tangible you can't tell me shit. You can't
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: tell Patri you have to walk around with a certain
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: knowledge because this came from her head. What made you
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: think of Uncle Clifford. I just wanted to know, she said.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to know what it could be like
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: if a person fully accepts themselves. And I just want
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: to see what that could be like, all of their masculinity,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: on all of their femininity. I'm interested in that she
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: always has her work from the beginning because I knew
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: her first as the playwright before I even she you know,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: I got words she wanted me to read for the
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: thing because she didn't know who I was. I was
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: referred to a friend, a friend that I went to
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: cast Tech with back in Detroit. Come on, I'm just
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: saying it was literally because of these same people. That's
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: why I hate when I meet people and they dismiss themselves.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: I don't care that if you ain't on no quote
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: unquote network show. I don't care if you are on
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: a network show. I meet Beyonce and I'd be like, Hey,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: I'm Nico.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: What's your name? Because she may want to tell me
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: that her name.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Is niche of that day, she may have a real other,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: a legal name that she would prefer people meet and
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: go by.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: I'm meeting Janet Jackson. Hey Janet, Hello, my name is Nico.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: How are you? And She's like, hey, I'm here for you,
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: she said, I like you.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Jane is a fan of the show and a fan
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: of yours.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Get out of my face. I almost want to push
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: your shoulder, but you're not here in person.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: But how does that.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Feel, Nico, Janet, Demita, Joe Jackson, the icon for the
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: community and in the world.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: How does that feel to know that Janet.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Jackson is sitting at home watching you on television and
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: then to say to you to your face that she's
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: a fan.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, it feels good as shit. If you know like
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: you on a deeper level. I mean I don't even
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: think about it, to be honest. You know when you're
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: when you're performing, and when I'm doing when I'm performing
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: and when I'm on set. I'm thinking about y'all. I
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: am not thinking about nobody. I forgot that my mama
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: had never even seen Pea Valley, and I was like,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: oh wait, let me.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: Give you some pictures.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Let me show you something before this come out in
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: the world. Do you say what I mean? Because, bro,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: because my art means that much to me.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: It has.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: I have been through too much. I've knocked down too
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: many doors to let it just go willy nilly and
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: like let anybody's opinion or thought change me. If that
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: weren't the case, if that was really my makeup, I
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be here now.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: I couldn't be here.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: So many people will tell you all the time, you
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: two that you do that. There's a difference between taking
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: critique and taking blows. You know what I'm saying. You
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: know you I know how to swallow a brick. What
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: that means? You don't I take that l yup, I
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: gotta pull up, I gotta do better, boom. But guess
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: what you telling me? That I'm too big for this,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: or I gotta close my gas, or that I'm too
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: dark for that.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: Okay, you'll see, You'll see. I had no idea.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: I had no idea, no, and you're living proof of that.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: And that's why you inspire me too, because I felt
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: the same way growing up in this business where I'm
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: a reality TV creator and executive, so there's so much
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: shade when it comes to the genre TV that I produce.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: I'm an openly gay black man.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: People talk about my voice the way I talk. You know,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I was a skinny kid in high school. My name
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: is Carlos King. The football players used to call me
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Carlos Queen for obvious reasons. But I never allowed any
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: of those things to take me away from achieving what
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: I knew God.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Put in my heart for me to attain.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: And when I look at you and I hear your story,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: you are such a big motivation for the world because
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: you are proof that when you are authentically you, and
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: you have greatfulness in the spur of the moment, because
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: that's that's nothing but God reminding you that I'm with you.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I come before you and a lot along these green pastors,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna hold your right hand and You're gonna
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: be victorious in this world. I just wanted you to
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: know that you represent that to the world, and it's
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: no mistake that two black gay boys from the d
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: are able to live their best life because they're living
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: with authenticity and to grow up in Detroit as we did.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: It tastes courage to do that, but we're living proof
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: that when you, when you stay true to yourself, God
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: can open up the floodgates of happiness that will blind
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: your eyes. And when I look at you, I need shade, honey,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: because your future is so bright that this is only
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: the beginning.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: I thank you, I thank you, I say thank you,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: I thank you. No, it's a blessing, it's an honor.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I'm here for the moment. I'm grateful, Bro, I'm so
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: grateful because I feel like we whether you talk about
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: reality TV or whether you talk about portraying a gay character.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: I used to think about me Shaq.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Taylor in Holly as Hollywood and Mannequin, Yes right.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: And I thought about Flip Wilson.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: I thought about the character in an iconic and classic
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: play called The Colored Museum by George C.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: Wolfe called mss Rage.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: I thought about all of these portrayals of queer life
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: that I saw on screen specifically, and then I thought
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: about the ones that I've read in literature, and then
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: I thought about.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: The ones that were in on plays.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: You know, because back in Detroit, we all know about
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: the Chipman circuit, you know what I'm.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: Saying, And I just knew a lot of the whole.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Shelley Garrett, the beauty shop place. And I always thought
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: about like, even as a child, when I saw that
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: flamboyant gay man, I didn't think that that was me.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: I didn't think that was me, even though people said, oh, nikoh,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: you're so loud, you're so this, Oh you dance, oh
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: you sing? Oh, go ahead, table, But I in my mind,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: for whatever reason, it wasn't a conscious thing.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: It just was the way that I was wired. I
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: never just saw that.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: So my training took me through a period where quote unquote,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: you have to learn how to play straight. Okay, Now
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: for some people that's a huge issue. That's a huge issue,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: But I'm gonna tell you why it was not for
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: me at the time. I bumped up against it. But
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: I'm grateful for it now because I was learned, was taught.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: I was taught, and I learned how to portray character
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: without constraint to say, oh, this is a black version
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: of King Lear. No, this is king Lear, this is
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: a gay queer version of king Lear. No, it's just
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: king Lear. This is who this is, who this character is.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: So I have had the benefit of having an entire career.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: We're up until twenty seventeen.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: I ain't never played no queer character on camera, and
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: only twice on stage. So for me, that idea or
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: that subconscious or that weight of oh you're gay is
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: showing or oh I didn't have any of that because
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: I did this other work.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: It's just like people who say, oh.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: You can't direct and act, Oh you can't sing and dance,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: you can't do it all. You gotta just pick one.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: That's what people told me. That's what people told me
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: leaving high school. You go, you know, you're on this
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: band track, you're on this acting tract. You just got
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: to pick one because they both require too much. I
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: get what you're saying. Now, you're not telling me I
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: can't do it all. I'm gonna reframe that and relinquish
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: that I can't do it all well at the same time,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: so I can pick and choose which one I want
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: to do at the time. So the time of being
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: in this just station period and learning how to do this.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Whether you're starting off in reality TV and you got
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: dreams of going over here and being Oliver Stone, live
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: your life, whatever your dream is. Because for some people,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: their dream is literally just to be on a stage.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Some people their dreams put me in the background. Yo,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: you saw me drinking that water in that scene.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: Oh that's me. That's what they need, I aspired higher.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Tell us what we can expect from the season finale
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: of Pea Valley.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Well, you see how murdered merk Pico two episodes ago.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: If I told you what's about to happen, I would
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: have to do that shit to you.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Well, don't about that, child.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: We don't want that. We don't want that. No, no, no,
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: we definitely gonna want that.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I think that this this season, I'm it's been a
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: complete ride. I call it the Olympics, the emotional Olympics.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: It's been a whole world wind. Let me ask you
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: real quick. Christ Hell, when you go back to the
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: beginning of this season, did you imagine this would be
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: the ride?
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: No, not at all.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: It's it's it's I can't even find words to describe
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: this season and the magnificent like worlds that were tapping
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: into the episodes where we got to learn backster about
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: you and the individual you know characters and your grandma
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: and your mother no yeah, yeah yeah, and you being
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: a top like none of that your character child.
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  Speaker 2: See this is listen, you playing in real life. Don't
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  Speaker 2: play yourself anyway Again Again, it's about the expectations that
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  Speaker 2: people have or the boxes.
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  Speaker 4: You understand what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: That in and of itself, to me, is about the
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  Speaker 2: conversation of where the characters are in their relationship. Are
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  Speaker 2: they willing, how willing are they to be open with
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  Speaker 2: one another? You understand what I'm saying. Whether the relationship
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  Speaker 2: is between two women, two men, a man and a woman,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter of them in a vey, it does
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  Speaker 2: not matter. It's about expressing. Letting these characters express how
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  Speaker 2: they feel for one another, and you the audience, getting
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  Speaker 2: to sit with that. I feel like that the writers
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  Speaker 2: have done Katori has led the writers on an amazing,
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  Speaker 2: amazing journey this show. I think what really rapples people
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  Speaker 2: is that it's such a sophisticated niche. The show has
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  Speaker 2: just a style and panache to it, and I don't
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  Speaker 2: think that you are oftentimes accustomed to seeing us taken
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  Speaker 2: so literally and then also seeing way there's craftsmanship that's
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  Speaker 2: in this.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: There are other shows out there that absolutely have it,
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  Speaker 2: but we as an audience have to respect that.
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  Speaker 4: We go to Twitter, we go to social media, but
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  Speaker 4: the people who watch Succession I am in dB, they
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  Speaker 4: go to Rotten Tomatoes. So there's a level.
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  Speaker 2: Of oh, how do we then cross over and make
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  Speaker 2: our opinions and our voices known on those other platforms
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  Speaker 2: as well. That also helps to increase and gets more
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  Speaker 2: shows like this produced. And the phrase that always catches me,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes fairy tales are simply horror stories with happy ending.
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  Speaker 2: That is a line that we say in the show.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes fairy tales are horror stories just with happy endings.
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  Speaker 2: So this episode coming up, we will see if it
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  Speaker 2: is a fairy tale or a horror story.
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  Speaker 4: For you.
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  Speaker 3: I can talk to Nika all day.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like t and I were friends for years.
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  Speaker 3: Who would have thought that an actor.
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  Speaker 1: Of his stature Honey would join Carlos King to give
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: my listeners on Reality with the King not only juicy
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  Speaker 1: things about the season finale of Pea Valley, but also
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  Speaker 1: some very insightful, informative dialogue just about life in general.
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  Speaker 1: Did y'all love that quote as much as I did
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  Speaker 1: when he said, sometimes fairy tales are horror stories with
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  Speaker 1: happy endings. Now, I know y'all love a good Old
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  Speaker 1: Housewives tagline, child, but that one is going to be
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  Speaker 1: the official Reality with the King tagline. We must invite
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  Speaker 1: Nico back when season three premieres in a couple of months,
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  Speaker 1: because I just can't wait to continue not only the
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  Speaker 1: conversation that we have with Nico, but also.
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  Speaker 3: Our friendship Raindrops.
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  Speaker 1: Make sure you tune in and watch the season two
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  Speaker 1: finale of Pea Valley tonight on Stars at ten pm.
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