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Early Season Assessment, What's Up with Winn? Matt Holliday Returns! · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory.
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  Speaker 1: Along with Lancelyn, I'm Jim Hayes, and look who's.
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  Speaker 2: Back, Matt Holiday right.
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  Speaker 3: Right right. Nice to see you, good people, good to
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  Speaker 3: be good to be here, good to be seen. Nice,
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: People should know that before we started rolling tape, as
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  Speaker 1: they say, you were verbally assaulting me. Before we get
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  Speaker 1: to that, though, we always try to sell, sell, sell,
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  Speaker 1: that button. We're trying to get to seven thousand. Still
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  Speaker 1: still pushing, still pushing, still.
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  Speaker 3: Trying to get to seven. Huh, I've been going a while.
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  Speaker 3: I thought I thought we'd be pushing eight by now,
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  Speaker 3: me too.
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  Speaker 2: What are you drinking a little coffee?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, uh, I.
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  Speaker 1: Have the first question I want to ask you because
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  Speaker 1: someone on the Cardinal Territory chat asked this. They noticed
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  Speaker 1: you weren't around much, and they had a theory. Then
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  Speaker 1: Matt left because you hated me, yes or no?
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  Speaker 3: No comment? Uh? No, I didn't.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't leave, Jim, but I did change time zones,
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  Speaker 5: which puts me two hours different than you guys.
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  Speaker 3: And then.
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  Speaker 5: So I've had some had some things I've had to
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  Speaker 5: handle that I do in the mornings. So I'm gonna
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  Speaker 5: try to try to get on more and uh finagle
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  Speaker 5: my schedule a little bit so that I can or
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  Speaker 5: we could try to, you know, be a little flexible
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  Speaker 5: with times. I don't want to mess Lances and and
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  Speaker 5: Kyle's schedules up. I would surely like to mess yours up,
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  Speaker 5: but I it's not because I don't enjoy the show
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  Speaker 5: or hatred for you necessarily.
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  Speaker 3: So let's just enjoy that I'm here today and it's
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  Speaker 3: good to see Lance.
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  Speaker 1: It's nice. We'll work it out. We'll get the whole
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  Speaker 1: thing worked out. My next question is about your boy Jackson.
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  Speaker 1: Uh started the season after surgery and then was on
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  Speaker 1: a rehab and apparently he's close, but now he's dealing
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  Speaker 1: with some soreness.
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  Speaker 2: What's the update on Jackson.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, this is such a tricky injury because
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  Speaker 5: you know, he had the surgery and you know it's
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  Speaker 5: such an integral part of hitting, and so he was
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  Speaker 5: he was working, you know, obviously coming back and he
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  Speaker 5: had some soreness on the opposite side. Which as you
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  Speaker 5: guys you know, as you know, sometimes there's you kind
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  Speaker 5: of compensate, uh with some with some stuff. So his
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  Speaker 5: his wrists on the opposite side got a little bit sore.
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  Speaker 5: So he was in in Norfolk and then now he's
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  Speaker 5: he went back to Baltimore and and uh got some
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  Speaker 5: reassurance that that everything was fine, and then you know,
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  Speaker 5: he just had some inflammation on the other side of
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  Speaker 5: his wrist, and and so uh taking some anti inflammatories
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  Speaker 5: and then he's gonna go back on rehab. I think
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  Speaker 5: he's gonna go to Frederick maybe today. I don't know
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  Speaker 5: if he's playing tonight, maybe tomorrow and Sunday, and then
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  Speaker 5: reevaluate for you know, Uh, I think you know, every
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  Speaker 5: minor league teams off Monday, possibly back to Norfolk for
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  Speaker 5: Tuesday and Wednesday, and then kind of see where they're at.
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  Speaker 5: So he's he's, uh, he's working his way back. Obviously,
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  Speaker 5: don't want to rush it. Make sure that he feels
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  Speaker 5: strong and ready. As you guys know, the big leagues
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  Speaker 5: is a bear to tackle, especially if you're not feeling
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  Speaker 5: one hundred percent. So I think it's it's just being
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  Speaker 5: cautious with with the with the wrist and making sure
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  Speaker 5: when he does get activated that he's one hundred percent
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  Speaker 5: confident where he's at physically so that he can get
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  Speaker 5: out there and compete at the highest level he can.
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  Speaker 5: So it's just been a little bit, you know, it's
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  Speaker 5: never linear, I think in recovering from from injuries and
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  Speaker 5: and particularly risks. You know, there's been a lot of
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  Speaker 5: a lot of guys that have had that surgery, and
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  Speaker 5: so there's there's just uh, you know, a little hiccups
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  Speaker 5: here and there, and and uh, you know.
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  Speaker 3: He's he's but he's close and feeling good.
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  Speaker 5: I just talked to him a few minutes ago, and
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  Speaker 5: and I think he's he's getting excited about where he's at.
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  Speaker 2: Cool. We wish him well.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so does Cardinal Territory. Let's talk Cardinals. As
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  Speaker 1: we suspected, there's going to be some ups and downs.
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  Speaker 1: Cardinals right now after taking the last two games of
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  Speaker 1: their series with the Guardians a couple of games over
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  Speaker 1: five hundred.
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  Speaker 2: So let's let's let's get a progress report.
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  Speaker 1: Where are the Cardinals now compared to before the start
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  Speaker 1: of the season, and your assessment.
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  Speaker 6: I think if you if you look at the numbers
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  Speaker 6: of kind of everything that's going on, they are going
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  Speaker 6: to be right around a five hundred team or maybe a.
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  Speaker 4: Little bit less.
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  Speaker 6: Right now, there are two games above, right, so you
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  Speaker 6: look at we'll go pitching side right out of the gate,
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  Speaker 6: negative seventeen in run differential in eighteen games, so you
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  Speaker 6: know obviously not you know, looking up, but that a
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  Speaker 6: lot of that has to do with their third and
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  Speaker 6: runs given up in the pitching staff third and earned
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  Speaker 6: runs given up fourth, and hvps at ten, tenth in
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  Speaker 6: walks at seventy one, so you kind combine free.
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  Speaker 4: Base runners they are, you know, in.
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  Speaker 6: The top six or seven in the league and free
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  Speaker 6: base runners given up, so not good, especially with a
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  Speaker 6: big last in case as a staff. So when you
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  Speaker 6: look at the pitching staff run differentials right now, they're
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  Speaker 6: going to have to limit base runners with walks and
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  Speaker 6: hpps and they're going to start striking out more guys
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  Speaker 6: or that run differential is going to be a problem
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  Speaker 6: all year no matter what the offense does. And it
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  Speaker 6: seems the offense seems to be right in the middle
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  Speaker 6: of the pack in every category, which I find to
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  Speaker 6: be a little bit promising because of the group that
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  Speaker 6: they have and they're kind of coming into their own
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  Speaker 6: so to be right in the middle of the pack
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  Speaker 6: is good. So pitching wise, we've got to strike out
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  Speaker 6: more people. We got to give up less hits, we
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  Speaker 6: got to give up less walks, less, less hbps. So
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  Speaker 6: that's kind of where we're at on that side of
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  Speaker 6: the thing. And one of my big concerns at the
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  Speaker 6: moment is makeing one. You're looking at a one eighty
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  Speaker 6: eight average. Yes, zero home runs, one RBIs one RBI
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  Speaker 6: was a game winner. But that being said, I just don't.
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  Speaker 6: I'm worried a little bit about him. And I think
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  Speaker 6: it has to do with the we know Mason, right,
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  Speaker 6: we all seen him do his thing and all that.
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  Speaker 6: He's you know, he's always going to give one hundred
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  Speaker 6: percent defensively, is always going to be there and all that.
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  Speaker 4: They got to figure out a way to get him going.
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  Speaker 6: And I I keep going back to, hey, put him
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  Speaker 6: at the top of the lineup.
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  Speaker 4: When you lose Donnie, when.
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  Speaker 6: You leave, when you lose new when you lose all
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  Speaker 6: these guys that were the guys right, they were up
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  Speaker 6: at the top of the lineup leading off, and then
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  Speaker 6: you're supposed to be the new team leader, this and
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  Speaker 6: that and stuff like that, and then you don't get
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  Speaker 6: put at the top of the lineup. I'm not saying
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  Speaker 6: feelings get hurt, but feelings get hurt in this game,
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  Speaker 6: and you try to do things you're not capable of
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  Speaker 6: or you just are pissed off. So I just feel
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  Speaker 6: like if you were going to make Mason a leader
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  Speaker 6: and do these things and then you give leadoff spot
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  Speaker 6: to a rookie right out of the gate, and this
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  Speaker 6: rookie is good, don't get me wrong, but when you
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  Speaker 6: have a guy like Mason, with his ability to give
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  Speaker 6: energy and do the things that he can do offensively
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  Speaker 6: that feeds this team. It was kind of tailor made
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  Speaker 6: to put him at the top and then put JJ
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  Speaker 6: right behind him and have a youthful one two pop
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  Speaker 6: at the top of the middle and all that. And
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  Speaker 6: I'm wondering if that's put a toll on Mason to
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  Speaker 6: start the year where you know, he's playing a little
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  Speaker 6: pissed off because he thinks he should be the leadoff
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  Speaker 6: hitter and he's not going to say it out loud,
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  Speaker 6: and he's going to do the things that he needs
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  Speaker 6: to do. But that's my worry right now, and I
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  Speaker 6: feel like that was something I was worried about when
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  Speaker 6: they said that he wasn't going to be lead off.
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  Speaker 6: When they were talking about JJ doing it, is Hey,
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  Speaker 6: you're telling a guy that it's his time and this
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  Speaker 6: and that, and he's waited his turn. He's one gold glove,
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  Speaker 6: you know, he's done his thing, and you're kind of
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  Speaker 6: making him a team leader and being a clubhouse boys.
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  Speaker 6: And then he doesn't get to the leadoff spot when
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  Speaker 6: all the leadoff hitters are gone from the time before
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  Speaker 6: when he was coming up.
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  Speaker 4: So that's my worry, I gotta say.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, well, first, Mason did just get punked and
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  Speaker 1: sat out a game, so he's dealing with that. But Matt,
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  Speaker 1: well you are in your hiatus. Maybe while you were
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  Speaker 1: here too, we were all like Mason when at the
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  Speaker 1: top of the order, why one, he really wanted to
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  Speaker 1: do it. And I think there's something to what Lance
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  Speaker 1: is saying also the mentality of it. But I also
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  Speaker 1: want to give j Jason credit because he went to
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  Speaker 1: that like old for whatever. He went for a long
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  Speaker 1: stretch with that hit, but he kept walking, He kept
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  Speaker 1: walking like he was able to handle it and still contribute.
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  Speaker 2: But what do you think about that.
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  Speaker 1: Can a thing like that young player like Mason went
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  Speaker 1: who's kind of emotional, wanted to lead off and all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden it's JJ.
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  Speaker 2: Can that play into it?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, look, I certainly think that you know, it's
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  Speaker 5: this is the pros, like this is the middle leagues,
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  Speaker 5: and you do what you're told. You know, it's it's
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  Speaker 5: a but I do think, Look, these are human beings
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  Speaker 5: and there's emotions as part of it. And look, I
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  Speaker 5: mean I think if he if he slide JJ to
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  Speaker 5: the two hole, like what's the big difference? You know,
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  Speaker 5: I would be interested to ask Alli that, you know, like, okay,
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  Speaker 5: maybe give it a shot. Like at this point, Mason's
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  Speaker 5: you know, his.
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  Speaker 3: Numbers are.
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  Speaker 5: Are warrantying like something different. So you need this guy
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  Speaker 5: to be good. You need him to be an all
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  Speaker 5: star caliber player, a franchise type player for your organization
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  Speaker 5: to take that next step. And so I think it's
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  Speaker 5: worth you know, I remember Tony used to mess with
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  Speaker 5: the lineup a lot because I think he felt he
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  Speaker 5: felt it mattered. And you know, obviously a Hall of
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  Speaker 5: Fame manager and managed people and managed great players, managed
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  Speaker 5: all stars, managed some of the great players, of all time,
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  Speaker 5: and he would slide guys around. I remember in twenty ten,
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  Speaker 5: I got off to a bit of a slow start.
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  Speaker 5: I just signed that big deal, and you know, I'd
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  Speaker 5: felt a little bit of the pressure of signing a
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  Speaker 5: big deal and kind of getting off to not what
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  Speaker 5: I would want as a good start, and he slid
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  Speaker 5: me up to the two hole in front of Albert.
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  Speaker 3: And whatever reason.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think it was necessarily a big thing for
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  Speaker 5: me as far as like, oh okay, now I'm going
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  Speaker 5: to change anything. But I got and and had some
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  Speaker 5: had some good games, and you know, eventually went back
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  Speaker 5: to hitting behind Albert. But I think at some point
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  Speaker 5: your your star players, if if there's if they're the
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  Speaker 5: performances is not there, it's okay to to maybe bump
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  Speaker 5: them up and and and put him in the one hole,
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  Speaker 5: put jj you know, kind of do something different, shake
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  Speaker 5: things up. It's not like, you know, offensively, they're crushing it.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, outside of Jordan Walker, the numbers are are
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  Speaker 5: not great, and and it's a couple of the guys
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  Speaker 5: that they were really counting on have not done anything offensively,
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  Speaker 5: And like Lance said, like that might be a good thing,
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  Speaker 5: Like they're they're over five hundred, and some of the
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  Speaker 5: key offensive players have not have not even gotten hot
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  Speaker 5: or have given you the the production that you expected.
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  Speaker 3: So I think it's okay.
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  Speaker 5: Like I said, like, JJ's not crushing it, like he's
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  Speaker 5: hitting two twenty seven, Like it's not like he's batten
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  Speaker 5: three thirty. And you're like, well, we don't really want
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  Speaker 5: to move him because he's doing so great. Obviously he's
• 12:02
  Speaker 5: still walking in a three fifty on base percentage for
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  Speaker 5: a rookie is great or good.
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  Speaker 3: But I think it's worth trying to.
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  Speaker 5: Get somebody like h Mason hot, or get him going,
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  Speaker 5: or or give him a different mindset, or give him
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  Speaker 5: a different excitement about what he's doing because you need him,
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  Speaker 5: you need him, you need him to be a good
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  Speaker 5: offensive player. Uh if you're gonna you know, this year
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  Speaker 5: and moving forward. So h I think it's worth a shot.
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  Speaker 1: I like that and full transparency. Ali, who apparently will
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: watch the show. He was on an episode not too
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  Speaker 1: long ago, Matt and he's like, what's with you guys?
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  Speaker 1: You want me at the top of the lineup. I said, look,
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  Speaker 1: that's we all, That's the one thing I think we
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  Speaker 1: all agree on that. We'd like to see that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: give him a shot, give it a look, see how
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  Speaker 1: it goes. Another thing about the offense though, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: wondering your guy's take on this.
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  Speaker 2: I'll start with you, Lance, But.
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  Speaker 1: So the the offensive numbers are, you know, Matt, we
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  Speaker 1: get it, but could lead if these guys hit to
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  Speaker 1: better things down the road. One thing this team does
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  Speaker 1: outside of running and taking extra basis they're about the
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  Speaker 1: top of the league in that. But they score their
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  Speaker 1: runs late from the sixth thenning on the cards I
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  Speaker 1: think are third best in baseball. And you watch the games,
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  Speaker 1: you know at some point, Lance, they're going to string
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  Speaker 1: something together. So does that say something about what they
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  Speaker 1: can be or is that sort of an anomaly to you?
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  Speaker 6: I think you're seeing there's two ways to look at this.
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  Speaker 6: You're seeing a group that has no quit and are
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  Speaker 6: not afraid, you know, as the game gets late, they're
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  Speaker 6: not going to claim.
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  Speaker 4: Up a little bit.
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  Speaker 6: But you're also seeing a group that hasn't faced eleaite back.
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  Speaker 4: In teams yet, to be honest.
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  Speaker 6: So I think it's a little bit of both, which
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  Speaker 6: which is good because they're doing the teams that they're
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  Speaker 6: supposed to you know, capitalize on and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 6: They're not losing those matchups late in the game, so
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  Speaker 6: that's good. Now, when you get to elite closers, elite
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  Speaker 6: set up guys and stuff like that, that's gonna be
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  Speaker 6: the tail of Hey, if they keep doing that and
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  Speaker 6: keep you know, scratching runs and stuff like that, then
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  Speaker 6: then we've got something to talk about. But right now
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  Speaker 6: is they're playing against you know, teams that don't have
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  Speaker 6: you know, top top of the you know, top of
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  Speaker 6: the league back ends, and.
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  Speaker 4: They're doing their scoring runs.
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  Speaker 6: So they're doing what they're supposed to, but it's a
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  Speaker 6: wait and see for elite back ends what they do.
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  Speaker 6: And that's so yeah, that's where I'm at on that.
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  Speaker 6: So I don't think they've played enough games against elite
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  Speaker 6: back ends to say that, you know, it's something to
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  Speaker 6: hang your hat on. I'd say right now, they're doing
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  Speaker 6: what they're supposed to against some of the teams that
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  Speaker 6: don't have bona fide, like All Star back ends.
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  Speaker 1: Fair enough, and we understand it's it's a marathon, you know,
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  Speaker 1: not a sprint, and there's gonna be ups and downs.
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  Speaker 1: But Matt, if a team has seven come from behind
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  Speaker 1: wins to this point in the season for times they've
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  Speaker 1: won an extra innings for a young team, does that
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  Speaker 1: plant some seeds that maybe can be beneficial as the
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: season slogs along.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think it's great.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, obviously it's kept him in it, that gets
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  Speaker 5: kept him above five hundred. But like Lance said, you
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  Speaker 5: can't rely on that, Like, look, the bullpens and the
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  Speaker 5: pitching these days in the back end. You can't lean
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  Speaker 5: on the fact that you're gonna come back and win
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  Speaker 5: in the sixth inning on all season, Like you're gonna
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  Speaker 5: have to start scoring some runs and doing some damage
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  Speaker 5: early in the game off starters because the pitching at
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  Speaker 5: the back overall is very difficult to just rely on. Hey,
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  Speaker 5: we don't score early, but we score late. I think,
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  Speaker 5: like Lance said, there's that's not a I think I
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  Speaker 5: don't think that that's a something you can just lean
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  Speaker 5: on for the whole season.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that that's sustainable.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm thinking that, yeah, that's great, it's been I
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  Speaker 5: think it's a good sign for a young team that
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  Speaker 5: that they've they've won close games late. That's a that's
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  Speaker 5: something that the good teams do. I think if you
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  Speaker 5: look at the Dodgers, you know, just off the top
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  Speaker 5: of my head, they they seemingly win a lot of
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  Speaker 5: games late and and we're very difficult to beat at home.
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  Speaker 3: So that's that's that's a that's a sign of a
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  Speaker 3: good team.
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  Speaker 5: But I don't think that's something that you can just
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  Speaker 5: be like, well, you know, we don't score much, surely,
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  Speaker 5: but we we we we're gonna We're gonna wait and
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  Speaker 5: get the back end of these bullpens, because the pitching
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  Speaker 5: at the back end of these bullpens is too nasty
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  Speaker 5: to to think that that's going to be their their
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  Speaker 5: their deal. So I like, look, they're they're they're good
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  Speaker 5: hitters coming into this season.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: Have got to get it going.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: I think for this offense to to to be in
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: the top half of the league, if if, if you know,
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: if they want to really really stay in the race,
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think that that's gonna be a must.
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: And then, you know, I think that you can't really
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: count on on probably Jordan Walker maintaining a three twenty
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: average with over one thousand ops. I mean, I hope
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: he does. I'm I'm I'm super excited. You know, the
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: start that he's had and what he's doing. But you
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: know some of these other guys, you know, when you're
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: talking about her Era and and uh and Mason win
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: and and Burlson, they're gonna they're gonna need to get
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: it going and and it's it's gonna be tough to
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: rely on on sixth inning or later wins all season.
• 17:23
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• 17:24
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• 17:28
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• 17:34
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• 17:44
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• 17:45
  Speaker 5: But when anywhere ever anybody says pretty good, that's like him.
• 17:49
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• 17:52
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• 17:54
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• 17:55
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• 19:07
  Speaker 4: So.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: We are eighteen games into the season for the Cardinals.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: We were going to do some list, but I want
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: to continue with the cardinal discussion because we really didn't
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: talk about pitching outside of Lance at the top. So
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: to me, what I'm seeing is the bullpen has had
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: some struggles. The starters aren't going deep, and they've kind
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: of eaten each other a little bit. But Lance one
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: of the positive things about the rotation Dustin May, who's
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: a key piece, you know, if he can stay healthy
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: and be what he's been in the past. Last two
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: starts twelve venues combined, six apiece, one earned run in each.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: That certainly helps.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: If your starters can go at least six, it's going
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: to take some of the weight off the bullpen. Your
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: thoughts on what you've seen from him, One thing he
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: says is well he's getting ahead and counts, and that
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: makes all the difference in the world.
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, especially with this stuff, right, I think you're seeing
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: the last two starts are what we were hoping and
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: kind of expecting to see. That's why the first two
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: starts weren't weren't like too worrisome for me, especially to
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: start the year with new catching or new catcher's new
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: you know, staff game planning, and this and that.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: So it seems to be.
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: They found a nice little home in between here to
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: be able to get ahead, make pitches, do the things
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: you need to do. So yeah, so good two bounce
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: back starts from the start of the year. Hopefully that's like,
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: you know, kind of his his momo for the rest
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: of the year. We you know, as a staff, they
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: need him to be a six inning guy at least,
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: and they need him to you know, show up every
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: five days so there's no skids and and this and that,
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: and then you know, hopefully the other guys kind of
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: kind of jump on and when somebody has a bad one,
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: they you know, three of the five pick him up.
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: And that's kind of how good rotations go. So you know,
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: early on he had a couple of bad ones. A
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: couple of the younger guys threw the ball well, and
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: then vice versas the last time. So there's gonna go
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: through stretches where you know, a couple of you aren't
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: throwing the ball well, but you need to have three
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: of the five that are able to, you know, hey,
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: figure out how to get through six, and then the
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: other guys fight through five, and then that's going to
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: save the bullpen, and then they'll get in a better
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: rhythm in the back end too. So I think early
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: on it's hard to say, hey, they're not throwing enough
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: innings and this and that. Everything's kind of just a
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: crazy flow to start the year because pitch counts are
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: at one hundred yet you're trying to figure out the
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: flow of the games and this and that. So once
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: you get into Endo April early May, you're gonna start
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: seeing guys be able to go six innings, which should
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: make the bullpen get in a better spot to where
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: they're more understandable what their roles are, what they what
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: they're expected to do in night in and night out,
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: where they're expected to go, and what they're what they're
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: ready to be for.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: And then the starters will start feeding off of each
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: other too.
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: Now if they've got a full, full pitch count to
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: go out there and do the job they need to do.
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: So I think in that sense it could get better.
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: But as a group, they have to start striking more
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: guys out and walking less.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: That's where they're at as a hitter man.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Because this is a rotation. You know, we've seen some
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: good out of it there a few times soon now.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: But when you face a rotation in a series where
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: they don't have starters who you know will punch you
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: out if you're not ready to go, does that take
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: some of the pressure off a hitter or does that
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: not really factor in?
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, look, I think in this day and age,
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: if you look at a rotation, or you look at
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: if you're going in to play the Cardinals, you certainly
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: feel better about your chance of having a good offensive
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: go at it if they don't have The reason they
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: don't have guys striking people out is because they don't
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: have a nasty put away pitch. And so as a hitter,
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: you know that even if you get behind in the count,
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: you still got a chance. And I think that that's
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: something you know as offense, especially nowadays, when you go
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: into these these different uh series. Is if you go
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: into a series against the Tigers and they got schoobl
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: and Frember Valdez lined up, you're probably looking like I
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: need to scratch and claw to try to get a
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: couple of walks, maybe find out one for three or
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: one for four out of this deal, and and kind
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: of just get out of there. I think when they
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: come into Saint Louis right now, if you don't have
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: anybody that can strike it, strike a guy out. Uh,
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: they feel pretty good about that. And but I you know,
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: it doesn't necessarily mean they're gonna have a ton of success.
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean you don't walk in there and go, God,
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: these guys are nasty.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: You know. It's this is gonna be a daunting task
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: as a hitter.
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: And and I think that that's uh, you know, that's
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: what That's what I would say.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Probably guys going in there.
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: There's not a there's not necessarily a guy in the rotation.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: Obviously, if liberturs on and and and may is on, if.
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: They have their their best stuff that day, they can
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: strike some guys out. But Lance said that there's got
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: to be there's got to be a little more swinging miss.
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: They want to be a little more put away pitch.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: I think for for for hitters.
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: To to not be super comfortable going into into Saint
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: playing in Saint Louis. So I think it's it's uh,
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: it's not it's not something you absolutely have to have,
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: but it's certainly nice to have guys that can strike
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: strike people out. And and that's especially this day and
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: age there's there's just so much good stuff out there
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: that's that's creating a lot of swinging miss that.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Uh, you need to have some of those guys.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it gives hit or some to think about,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: that's for sure.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: The bullpen has kind of been in disarray outside of Jojo,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: who's been great, and Riley and uh and O'Reilly Riley O'Brien, I'm.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: Sorry, Audi Bunds.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's been lights out too.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Those two guys are nasty.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Can can you talk about what you've seen from those guys, Lance,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Because the rest of the bullpen they can tinker with, right,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: but if you have the hammer at the end like
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: you have with those guys, to me, it makes a difference.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: And those guys have nasty, nasty stuff.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: I think you're also seeing two guys that are a
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: little older and have been around. I think you know, uh,
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: JoJo's got more big league time, but you know, they're
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: they're doing what you kind of expect them to do
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: of their age, the things that they've been able to
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: accomplish in the big league level or the stuff that
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: you've seen.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: So I think that's it. And then the other guys
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: are young right, they're.
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: Still trying to figure out who they are, where they
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: fit in, what's expected of them, how to go about it,
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: things of things of that nature. So I think we're
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: kind of seeing Jojo took that huge leap last year
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: and we're an he's staying on it right now. So
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: that's huge for him and his career, and he's he's
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: putting them in a good spot where their back ends
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: really good. They got to figure out how to bridget
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: how we're going to get to how we're going to
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: get to the eighth from the fifth, right, that's the
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: hard part right now. You know you have days where
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: you know, uh, Swans Owner or somebody like that, Well,
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: we'll have a good day, and then the next day
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: they won't.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: So they're gonna have to find that fine line.
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: You know, Dusty and and Ali are going to have
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: to find the the pockets that you know, these guys
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: fit in to give them the best the best success
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: to get it to the back end and then where
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: you're not over using those guys in the eighth and
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: ninth every time either. It would be nice to be
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: able to mix and match those guys where they're not
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: not thrown on the same day at times and stuff
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: like that, not only for their health, but for the
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: you know, for the the growth of some of the
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: other guys too, because this is a growth year.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: As much as you know, you want to uh.
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: You know, you know, make a push, you know, be
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: in the wild card situation, be a five hundred plus team,
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: but you also have to have some guys grow because
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: when you look up next year, I think, you know,
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: Judges Off going to be a free agent. I think,
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: so you're going to have to find some you need
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: three or four guys that you can pencil in making
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: the minimum in your bullpen so you can have some success,
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: especially if you're going to.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: Start spending money elsewhere on a team.
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: So they're going to have to figure out pockets and
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: give these guys some success situation successful situations and also
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: where they and they don't put too much stress on
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: those two at the back end to be overusing abuse
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: as a year goes on.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: It's a good point because sometimes we forget, as you
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: guys are analysts and I'm really just a fanboy watching
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: the games, that this is a year of development, right
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: like you want them to win. They went through a
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: three game losing streak and it was awful part of
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: the process. It's a year for development. So last topic,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: and this one's near and dear to my heart because
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I know he watches this, but it is a progress
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: report on the Cardinals. How has Ali Matt your buddy,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: balancing trying to win games and be as competitive as
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: you can also giving.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Guys some room to develop. It's not easy. How is
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: he doing?
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think he's doing great. I mean, like
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: I'm obviously personally biased towards Ali. He's unbelievable human and
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: one of my good friends. But again, when you're going
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: through this sort of growth or rebuild or whatever you
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: want to call it, you're always balancing development, giving guys chances,
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: finding out what you have. And then at the same time,
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: this is the major leagues, and if you have chances
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: to win games, you try to win them. And so
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: I think it's such an interesting dynamic when you start
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: talking about some of these guys at the back end.
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: They're pitching so well with Jojo and O'Brien, and then
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: you think, well, what does it look like as you
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: get close to the deadline, if you're if you're kind
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: of hanging around five hundred and you have these two
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: assets that people really want to pay for or really
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: need at the deadline? Do you trade guys that are
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: having seasons like this? And look, it's only you know,
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: we're only twenty games in, so they'd have to sustain it.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: But when you start thinking about it.
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: Like it doesn't do you any good to have older
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: setup men and closers that are that are somewhat close
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: to free agency. I don't I don't know O'Brien's full
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: story as far as his service time goes. But when
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: you have assets like that and you're in a bit
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: of a rebuild, you start to look at at trade
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: options and accumulating more prospects, more young guys to build
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: into your rebuild and say what you want. You know,
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: it's Saint Louis, so we never want to really say, oh,
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: we're in a rebuild. But I think you start looking
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: at your assets and what they can bring you back
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: as far as next year and the next year. So
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: I think that'll be interesting as we move, you know,
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: move on in the season and and how these guys, uh,
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: you know, develop and and but.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: It's uh, I think he's done great.
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: I mean I think, like I said, balancing the idea
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: that you're trying to win with the idea that you
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: also want to.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: See what you have and who are key.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: Pillars of the organization moving forward, who might be options
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: to extend, who might be options to trade. I'm sure
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: you know he and Heimer are are talking about those things,
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: and in the front office and everybody that goes into
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: all the decision making. But these these teams that are
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: sort of in the middle right around five hundred, are
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: we are we trying to get into the wild card?
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Are we trying to.
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: Optimize the assets that we have in trades as we
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: go towards the deadline?
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Is all going to be interesting to me.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be a catch twenty two because look, Cardinals
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: are playing a pretty good.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Brand of baseball right now, right and they're they're doing
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: a lot of things well.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: And what if they can keep this momentum going and
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: play competitive baseball and be in the mix and all
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: the things that you've really liked all of a sudden
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: are on the table well trade pieces. So it will
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: be interesting, Lece, I know you like oli too. I
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: wish you would rip them and criticize them. I know
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: you're not, but great down Ali for us.
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: Okay, so I'm I'm gonna try to rip as much
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: as I can right which is not is not I
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: can't do it. The hard part with what he's got
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: right now is to start the year. Everything's kind of
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: somewhat you know, gone has hoped. I think that you
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: like to have pitch better. I think when you start
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: a year, you have your plan when you come in.
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: You can't break from your plan probably until you're like
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: thirty games in. So we're right in that spot where
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: we're filling things out and kind of seeing how it
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: all fits together and stuff. So I think once we
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: get to that thirty game mark and we see, hey,
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: these guys aren't producing where that we need them to
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: a lineup, so let's let's move it around. Let's do
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: these things. Or these guys aren't doing the things that
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: we expected them to do in the back end of
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: the bullpen or starting, so how are we going to
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: shake things up a little bit and give other guys
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: opportunities to have a chance to take over spots or
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: roles or things of that nature.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: So right now, it's.
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: We're winning games in a way that is you know,
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: exciting and fun because of the late inning, theatrics, but
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: those things aren't sustainable.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: But also we've got to get guys.
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: That are maybe not doing what we need them to
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: do or are not having the success we need them
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: to do. How can we put them in better situations?
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: Different spots in the lineup, different spots in games, starts, relieving,
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: you know, all these different things. Once it gets that
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: thirty game mark, I think you got an idea like, Okay,
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: these guys are, this is what they're kind of capable of,
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: not capable of, And then how I can mix and
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: match and do things to spark certain guys and do
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: something there. So I'm gonna wait and see in the
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: thirty game mark what the next step is. Right now,
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: I like the energy, I like the demeanor they're playing
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: with and no give up, and that's who all he
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: is and that's who he always will be. So they're
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: buying into the situation. They're doing what he's asking me
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: to do, which is awesome. That's always a plus. Now
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: it's what's he going to do to make sure these
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: guys keep developing?
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: And also how to put some of the guys that
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: are not doing what we want we think they're capable
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: of in situations to maybe spark them and spark the
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: team in different ways. And that stuff comes and goes
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: as the flow of this season. So that's going to
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: be what he's going to have to manage in certain
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: aspects this year, is giving the guys the innings and
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: the bats and the playing time they need, but also knowing, hey,
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: I can't lose clubhouse, but just keep handling in certain
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: spots in certain situations of people. And I got some
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: guys that are my guys, and I have to spark
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: them to give them in the best situations and get
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: them to where we think they need to be and
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: where they're going to make us better, not only now
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: but in the future.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: So far, so good for the Cardinals. It lies ahead, well,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: we're gonna have to wait and see great episode, mostly
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: because I think for the first time in months, we've
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: had three people with decent Internet connections. So thank you
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: for that, gentleman, Matt. Great seeing you say hi to
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: the family and try to be part of Cardinal territory
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: in the future because we miss you.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: Hey do you need an hour later?
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Like, just a little adjustment is all I need. Adjustment.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Why don't we go back to noon. We'll talk about it,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: we'll talk about boys. We gotta wrap up. We gotta
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: wrap this up because we're going far too long.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: And why who cares?
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: Seven thousand, less than seven thousand, for God's sakes, all.
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: Right, these six thousand people are like, man, wrap it up,
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: you guys, wrap it up.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: I'm tired of watching this.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: Show they give me.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: They tell me, try to make up this amount of time,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: and I just.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: Who says that it's too long? They're not going to
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: stick around, They're not going to watch.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: They probably would say keep going. But to be honest,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I have things to do and I didn't want to.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: Oh there it is.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: It takes me more than thirty minutes to get loose,
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: So we're killing.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: That's right, We were just getting there.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, then all right, so well this is we'll call
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: it bonus coverage. Now, what do you are you comfortable
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: with with noon Central times?
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Here? Twelve twelve thirty would be better?
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: Me too. I can do no drop off.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Who was it that made us put it earlier?
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: Me?
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: Because I drop off at a certain time mid day
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: every day.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: So that's wrong.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: So will that word for you?
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: I retired to be a dad, and not deal with
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: your ship.
• 35:43
  Speaker 8: Jane.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think like yeah, I look, pickleball is
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: slightly ahead of foul territories. So if you're.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Cutting in the mart, well, this is cardinal territory, and
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: you said foul territory.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: That's the I'm just reading the top. I'm right in
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: the top thing on the left.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: Sorry, we're gonna war.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: In the shirt as far as I know. So that's
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: what did you? Okay, all right, it's nice march.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: All right, gentlemen, So we're gonna move the time. That's
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: breaking news for all the subscribers. Not seven thousand, but
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: now they know we're gonna we're gonna change.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: No, it's not, but we could do that.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Do you want to put it live?
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Do you want to put it live?
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Sometimes they don't care.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: Don't forget you.
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, with all the respect, no one cares what time
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: we do it because they're not watching it live unless
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: we do it live, and then they probably still will.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Because all due respect, though, if we do it earlier,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: it can be posted earlier, and you know they're watching
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: their phone, their left up. Hey what are they posting
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: today's episode?
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Fair enough?
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Fair enough, gentlemen.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: You were great.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I like to think that that bonus coverage will get
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: us to seven thousand subscribers. It's going to do it
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: for this edition of Cardinal Territory. Thanks for watching. We'll
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: see you next time. Hopefully Matt will be with us,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: and hopefully that episode won't suck