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How online games expose kids to hidden predators · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

• 0:12
  Hello, hello, our wonderful, wonderful, wonderful audience.
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  It's the Dr.
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  Peter Breagan hour with my wife Ginger Bregan, who's been working really hard.
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  All week after saving me from my stroke by taking me down to uh wonderful clinic in Florida for stroke rehabilitation.
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  We bought a house in Florida, probably because I was slightly demented at the time.
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  That's unfair, but to me or you to you.
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  We've been talking about trying to find an investment property in Florida for a while and at least getting a footprint there.
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  So we did.
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  And this uh since then, Ginger has been setting up his rentals, and everything's going swimmingly.
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  So we have a great swimming league.
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  So we have a yes, we have a great guest today.
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  Swimmingly is a good metaphor because we actually have an indoor pool, but so much from advertising our own business.
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  We have a true and genuine businessman on today, and his name is Brent Deu Sing, D U S I N G.
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  He's CEO and founder of True Play, which is described as the world's leading faith-based video gaming platform for children.
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  And um also describes his work as uh developing a platform designed to serve children, pages five to twelve with content that supports faith, character, and emotional well-being.
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  In contrast with what we find other elites, Harvard graduates and all, doing to children, which so freaks us out right now around the world.
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  And I know that Brent Du Singh is aware of and concerned about.
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  He is focusing on helping children grow up healthy with a good faith, an introduction to God and safety.
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  And I think that there's nothing better than that that a man can do with his time.
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  If he anybody gets a seat on heaven, far in advance, this man should certainly have one.
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  I think what he's doing is just wonderful, trying to actually do good things for kids instead of just making money exposing them to garbage, which is what most and predators and predators, which is what most corporations do.
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  I spend a lot of my time trying to protect children from my colleagues in psychiatry from drugs, electrical shocks to the head and whatever else they cook up an array of horrendous things.
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  Indeed.
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  It's just a pleasure to meet you, Brent.
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  I'm deeply appreciative of what you're doing, and just particularly so this week.
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  Because this week, Jinju's been telling me more and more about the horrendous stuff being done around the world to children and how she would like to spend more time talking about it and emphasizing it in our work.
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  Well, truly just trying to inform people.
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  It's terrible to look at, but to look away, I feel at this point is a real um mission in terms of knowing now how much we know through the exposure of the Epstein files.
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  But that's going to be for another probably several um podcasts, and y'all will get warnings at the beginning of some of those.
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  Um, if we uh address in some as gently as possible the horrors that are being exposed.
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  But I believe it's important for us to know the details and then to though we won't be doing that today.
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  No, we aren't going to do that today.
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  Today, I'd like to ask Brent to go ahead and further introduce yourself if you'd like, how people can reach you now, so they have that material before we forget.
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  Yeah, it's good to be with you both.
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  And and you know, Peter, admire your work.
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  I I um appreciate what you've done to protect children as well.
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  Um it's funny, you know.
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  I I was born in 78, and my generation missed the over-prescription of Rinalin, but it hit kids that were four to six years younger than me.
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  And I just saw all these children that I knew that were younger than I was overdiagnosed with ADD.
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  Um, and and even at a young age, I mean, I was, you know, 13, 14, 15 when that was happening, and that really felt to me like something was really wrong.
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  You know, just because a child didn't want to, a little boy who was five, didn't want to sit still and stare in the same direction for five hours straight, didn't struck me as as you know, a massive, a massive behavioral uh dysfunction.
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  So uh appreciate the work you're doing, and we could certainly talk about that.
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  My name is Brent Dusing for those listening.
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  I run a company called True Play.
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  Well, True Play, what we have, and this it's a live application, you can download it on just about any phone or tablet from the Google Play Store or the App Store.
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  Uh, it's really high quality entertainment, games, videos, uh, animations, comic, digital comics, everything we do is really high quality, and it's built with a biblical foundation to it.
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  So um, you know, as uh you guys were alluding to, things have never been worse for children than they are today.
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  Anxiety suicide depression rates are all-time highs.
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  Um there's a big epidemic of children getting preyed upon online.
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  Uh the average male is exposed to pornography when he's 11.
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  And the root of it is children are on screens, and it's not that screens are the worst thing in the world, it's the content that's on the screens.
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  You know, it's a social media uh exposure, it's you know, demonic dark content, and it's also the fact that you talk about the sin of omission.
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  It's that the things of God have been omitted.
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  It's that you you unless you take your kid to church or you teach them at home intentionally, you have very few options.
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  You know, people don't know um who Jesus Christ is, the relevance of the Bible, you know, and you turn on you turn on things like Disney and YouTube and TikTok, and you look at the people who were really telling stories to our children, and because the storytellers, right?
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  That that you know, George Lucas said this, and Steve Jobs said this, you know, that the storytellers are the ones who really set a tone for a culture in a generation, and right now the storytellers uh have really dark demonic agendas.
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  And so what true play exists to bring light to children to bring light into the darkness.
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  Um, you know, you ask anybody, whether they're Christians or not, what's your most important thing in your life?
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  So they're kids, right?
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  Right?
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  It's a huge very human, you know, experience, uh, very human, you know, uh feeling.
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  It's a huge very human you know experience, uh, very human, you know, uh, feeling and yet if if someone came, say some you know, hypothetical visitor from outer space came to Earth and was grading us in the Western world, how are we doing with our children?
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  And yet, if if someone came, say some you know, hypothetical visitor from outer space came to Earth and was grading us in the Western world.
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  How are we doing with our children?
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  I mean, we'd be getting D's and F's just along just about every uh guideline spiritually or emotionally or psychologically.
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  I mean, we'd be getting D's and F's just along just about every every uh guideline and spiritually or emotionally or psychologically.
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  So that's what we exist, and we've seen a lot of happy parents and kids used.
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  So that's what we exist, and we've seen a lot of happy parents and kids using it, and excited to talk to you guys today.
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  Well, thank you for doing that work.
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  Well, thank you.
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  Well, I you know, it's one of those things where I was really called into it.
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  I'd been a technology entrepreneur and felt a real call, and you know, it's kind of one of those an old saying, you know, that you have to be the change in the world you want to see, you know.
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  You you can a lot of times as Christians, especially in America, people complain or people pray, or they vote, and look, we we need to vote for people who we think will you know do do well for our country, but that's not all we're called to do.
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  You know, you you don't really read the Bible the the people in the like the hall of faith, you know, that the story that's told um you know in Acts or uh, you know, if you look at most of the prominent figures in the Bible, they didn't just sit at home and pray all the time, and they didn't they didn't just sit around and complain.
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  They might have had moments where they complained, certainly that's very human, and they they certainly did pray throughout their experience, but they were doing, you know, Noah built built an ark, uh, you know, David went and fought a whole lot of bad guys.
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  Um, you know, Moses, you know, took took a group of people across the desert through this you know, crazy trial for 40 years.
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  Um, you know, all the apostles went to these foreign lands, India, Egypt, Spain, Ethiopia, um, you know, to spread the gospel in those places, and so uh Europe, obviously, um, Turkey.
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  So uh that's what we're called to do.
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  We're called to take action, and um that's that's where God has me and my team.
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  And thank you for it.
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  Parents are desperate for this kind of positive content.
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  It's um it it's so hard to as a parent or a grandparent, I think, to try and decide how to expose your children to the internet and to computers and to get them excited in a way that will help them to learn about them because so much of modern life now for children in school as well as uh in their other areas of their lives, depend upon an basic understanding of operating screens.
• 9:42
  I worry about people our age who are not tech savvy who have never learned about working computers.
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  I'm 75, and we've got my charts now, which are like these access points to your physician through the internet.
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  Very complicated, actually, for I can navigate it, but it's very complicated for someone my age or older who just never developed those skills and are probably at that point not going to be able to master it.
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  So your work is so important, it's going to keep these children who are some of the most nurtured and well-versed and perhaps best traditionally grounded in Christian values and decent moral values and the Ten Commandments to help to keep them up with society so that they can be influencing upon their own world when they're adults.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  Well, I appreciate that.
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  That's uh that's why we're here, you know.
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  I I it's kind of very obvious that we all, you know, every parent, you know, their number one, every mother, especially their number one issue is screen time for their children.
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  You know, what what should can my kid do?
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  How much time are they who are they talking to online?
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  Is there an ad I don't want them to see in that purchase?
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  You know, it's a whole uh whole conundrum of things, and um and and the the reality is that a lot of the people making content, uh I think they actually hate children.
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  I mean, who's pushing, you know, pushing transgender ideology on a young child.
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  I mean, you've you got our demonic, you know, satanic things or you know, sexualizing children.
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  You you've got to hate human beings to do that kind of a thing.
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  You do.
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  There has to be a real evil there.
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  Yeah, it there is, and it always kind of makes me think, gosh, you know, don't you remember back when you were a kid?
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  You know, you know, you ask most people, and I mean, you've been in psychology, you know, psychology for a long time.
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  You know, you you ask most people, well, what are you uh, you know, what talk about the problems in your life, and it oftentimes gets back to some root issue they had as a child.
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  Well, now we're the adults, we're the adults in the room, right?
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  And and as a society, um, that's what we realize, like we're we're failing our children, and so that's why we at True Clay thought, look, let's build something that is fun so kids want to do it, right?
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  You can't force the child to do entertainment, right?
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  So let's build something they actually are compelled by.
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  Let's build something that's that tells great stories, let's build something that's beautiful, and let's build something that's safe, right?
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  There's no ads, there's no you know, chat rooms, it's one subscription, so hidden extra purchases, and let's build something that builds them up, not just for this life, but the next, right?
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  And that that really builds for their their future and their souls.
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  Wonderful.
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  Do you want to address the difference between people who go on with dark intent versus those of us who think remember what it was like to be a child and want to enhance the next generation?
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  Um we've got four minutes.
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  Well, I've uh been very um interested in the kind of people who end up having the most influence in the world.
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  And I think they're very different than the rest of us.
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  And one of the models that we can look at for this is the empire builders, whether it's a Roman Empire or Muslim Empire, or whether it's uh business empire, a monopoly, a force of some kind over other people, and they really are power-oriented, their biggest lust is for power over others, and it's very different than ordinary people who get very little of uh their pleasure or joy or over imagining or planning on how to control another human being or abuse them, and the great problem that we face, one that I think was particularly obvious with Iran over decades, was our inability to say other people really do have evil intentions toward us and toward their neighbors, and um they will lie.
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  Control another human being or abuse them.
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  And the great problem that we face.
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  One that I think was particularly obvious with Iran over decades.
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  Was our inability to say other people really do have evil intentions toward us and toward their neighbors.
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  And they will lie if it's useful to them.
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  They will murder.
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  Intimidate, control it's useful to them.
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  And they have very big aspirations to run the world ultimately.
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  And that's been just, I think, very interesting to me to be thinking about that.
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  This way.
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  No, honey, you've always got something important to say.
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  Put them in children's games or children's shows.
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  We get them enough in the fairy tales that kids are exposed to.
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  Exposure to forms of evil.
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  But that's an interesting question.
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  How much do you think children you're a better person to Squestion than a psychiatrist, really?
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  Um much do you introduce anything that's smacks of evil into the stories you tell on the in your games.
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  A little over one minute.
• 15:55
  Yeah, we do introduce them.
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  And uh I'm you know, look, the Bible has Satan, the Bible has Jezebel.
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  She gets she's probably the I think it's the thirdmost airtime of any villain.
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  Uh the the second pharaoh in the in the story of Egypt, you know, the one who won't let Moses go.
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  Um Goliath, you know, there's uh the the Pharisees, right?
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  There are villains uh in the world.
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  And there's a G.K.
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  Chesterton quote that says the thing about fairy tales isn't that dragons don't exist, it's to make sure that children know that dragons can be beaten.
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  And that's the key, right?
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  Is that there is real evil, and you are gonna have opposition, you are gonna have battles.
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  The key is to overcome them.
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  And I'd love to talk more about that when we come back from the break.
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  That's great.
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  So, you know, we were talking about the the inter you know, do you introduce evil characters in stories and content for children?
• 18:57
  My answer is absolutely yes, because there are evil characters in the Bible, right?
• 19:03
  You know, this is God's holy book, and yet, you know, the devil is quoted.
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  Not a lot, but he's quoted.
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  Um there, you know, Jezebel, who, you know, a lot of people miss this in Revelation, uh, I believe it's Revelation 2 and 3.
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  Jesus talks about um, you know, he's talking to a church, and he says that what I have against you is that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, and I was striking her children dead.
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  And that's Jesus talking.
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  That's pretty serious stuff.
• 19:28
  So it's not that evil doesn't exist, and we need to make children aware that it does, but we also need to make children aware that John 1.5, the light overcomes the darkness, the light shines in the darkness in the darkness has not overcome it.
• 19:40
  So they need to know that evil can be beaten, and they need to learn things about courage and about um righteousness and about standing up and fighting.
• 19:48
  One of the reasons, one of the biggest reasons why things are so bad for children today is because we've conceded authority, is because adults haven't done enough about, you know.
• 19:59
  I'll give you a few, I'll give you a modern example, and I'll give you an example from the beginning of time.
• 20:03
  The modern example is you may remember there was um there was an issue where Ron DeSantis in Florida a few years ago uh passed a law that he didn't want the the state of Florida didn't want teachers teaching sexual content to kids from the age of it was something like you know, six or seven or eight and younger, okay, that the very basic stuff that all of us in America grew up with, and it got blown up and exacerbated into this whole thing that um you know all of a sudden there they were gonna be trans people killed and all this all this garbage was just said about it.
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  And so there were people who worked at some of the bigger companies, including Disney, because Disney didn't do there were there were LGBT people who said, Well, I'm gonna boycott well, I worked they worked at Disney, and I said, We're not gonna we're gonna protest, we're gonna you know, do a do a you know, sit out or sit in or whatever it's called to protest the fact that Disney's not doing enough.
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  People who said, well, I'm gonna boycott I work, they worked at Disney, and I said, We're not gonna, we're gonna protest, we're gonna you know, do a do a you know, sit out or sit in or whatever it's called to protest the fact that Disney's not doing enough.
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  And it's not like Disney stood up there and clapped when we signed the bill, they just didn't oppose it.
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  And it's not like Disney stood up there and clapped when we signed the bill, they just didn't oppose it.
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  And so all these people were willing to walk out and quit their job, like at threat of losing their jobs, right?
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  And so all these people were willing to walk out and quit their job like at threat of losing their jobs, right?
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  Because of their convictions that they they wanted, they I disagree with this law.
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  Because of their convictions that they they wanted, they I disagree with this law.
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  Now, while I think.
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  Now, while I think it's disgusting that you would protest the idea that you don't want sexual content taught to young children, the one thing you have to give those people credit for is their convictions.
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  Meanwhile, Netflix ran a thing called Cuties, which was sexualizing young girls who were dancing at the ages of 10, 11.
• 21:49
  Uh, you know, Netflix has made content that mocks uh Christianity all the time, actually, and Jesus and very satanic things, and uh there was a very anti-Jesus show they'd made in Brazil.
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  Uh Disney's repeatedly uh repeatedly done sexual content for kids and demonic content.
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  How many Christians protested?
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  How many Christians were willing to quit their jobs?
• 22:14
  The thing that I see, and I see this in Silicon Valley especially.
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  I spent 15 years in Silicon Valley.
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  I know a lot of people there who call themselves Christians, and yet they go work at the biggest corporations that are the biggest problems.
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  Google.
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  I know I know multiple people say, Oh, I'm a Christian, and they work at Google.
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  Google is Google, when Google started, and I I believe this is still true.
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  Google made a third of its revenues from pornography.
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  Google has been the one who has, yes, Google has been how do people find porn?
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  The Google search engine.
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  Search engines.
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  Google's been the one that's been blocking and discrediting the Christian worldview while meanwhile promoting um perverted sexual content.
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  In fact, Google won't let us at TruePlay advertise at all.
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  They say you cannot advertise a religious point of view.
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  However, they let satanic content advertise, which by the way, promotes itself as a religion.
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  They'll let Buddhist content advertise, and they let transgender content for kids advertise and LGBT content for kids, which I think frankly takes more faith to believe in transient kids than it does to believe that God created everything that you see.
• 23:21
  So it's it's this very sick corrupted you know, thing that Google's doing, and yet people work there, call themselves Christians and perpetuate the problem.
• 23:31
  And the same is true at a lot of big tech companies.
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  And so what I'm saying to you is the reason we got we've gotten here is because so many Christians have refused to fight, refuse to stand up for their convictions, which is what we're called to do.
• 23:44
  Jesus says the world's gonna hate you because it hates me.
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  And he says, um, you know, the the righteous, you know, the meek will inherit the earth and and the righteous rights will be satisfied, right?
• 23:57
  And and you know, he tells us to not be corrupted, but that's what people have done.
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  And it goes all the way back to the beginning of time in Adam and Eve, right?
• 24:05
  Where God put humans in charge of the earth, but because they sinned, they conceded their authority to the devil, and here we are now, right?
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  Because not enough people have stood up in their authority to say, no, we're we're actually the children of God.
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  So we're gonna use our power and strength to do the right things for the betterment of everybody instead of the detriment, which is where we are today.
• 24:28
  Yes.
• 24:29
  It reminds me that we've all allowed as citizens for our society to be more tightly and tightly structured so that we get locked into the roles that we have been trained to do and raising our families, and all of a sudden you've got 40 hours of work a day to do in your 24 hours, including sleep, and what time is there to go and attend local board meetings and attend city council meetings and participate in the in the political culture that actually shapes our entire social fabric.
• 25:17
  Um with as Christians with uh with our Christianity in mind, and like I saw a sermon the other day leading with faith, and it really spoke to me because it was basically about you don't just leave your Christianity at church when you say good good evening and leave, you carry it into everything you do.
• 25:42
  It becomes the the touchstone from which you conduct your life.
• 25:48
  And if you're missing that, you really are you really are losing the most important connection you have, which is that with God.
• 25:59
  You're absolutely right.
• 26:00
  You know, and I think the idea that one goes to church on Sunday and then kind of lives like the rest of the world is a very Western American thing.
• 26:09
  If you meet people who live in situations where the church is oppressed, like in India and Nigeria, you know, places where uh Christians are really under threat.
• 26:23
  It's not being a Christian is not like, yeah, you know, I go to you know, go to church on Sunday, and then yeah, sure, I don't steal or kill anybody.
• 26:30
  Uh I'm a Christian, you know, it's it's very much having to walk that conviction out on a daily basis.
• 26:37
  And again, part of the reason why uh things are so bad for kids is because we haven't had enough Christians stand up against what was against whether it's been evil being promoted or try to build things that were more positive, um, or try to do things that will really change uh you know stories people hear and those outcomes.
• 26:59
  Well, it's nice to meet someone who's carrying their faith into everything you do.
• 27:05
  Thank you.
• 27:06
  Especially since it's for the children.
• 27:09
  Yeah.
• 27:10
  Well, how about if we switch a little bit?
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  Could you in give give just a brief overview kind of summary of the games that parents need to have a heads up on?
• 27:23
  I know this is done other places also, but I think it's so important to repeat it because if we can give them the names and they can write them down and then just check, they may be able to save their child from real tragedy.
• 27:39
  Sure.
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  Uh the the biggest culprit and the biggest dangerous place for kids has been a game called Roblox, R-O-B-L-O-X.
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  Over 100 million kids play it every day.
• 27:49
  Uh it's a place what what it is, it's the place where people can make their own games and then you can play them, which sounds amazing.
• 27:57
  The problem is that there have been for over a decade repeated stories of uh sex trafficking, uh child porn, pornography, that Roblox runs ads on Google.
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  For over a decade, repeated stories of uh sex trafficking, uh child porn, pornography, that Roblox runs ads on Google.
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  They will again Google let us run ads, but they let Roblox run ads that have pentagrams and blood, LGBT content for kids.
• 28:09
  They again Google let us run ads, but they let Roblox run ads that have pentagrams and blood, LGBT content for kids.
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  They let that go on all day.
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  They let that go on all day.
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  And and Roblox promotes that all day.
• 28:19
  And and Roblox promotes that all day.
• 28:22
  Um Roblox has had stories of children being abducted, of uh they have multiple lawsuits going after them by multiple trying to.
• 28:22
  Um Roblox has had stories of children being abducted, of uh they have multiple lawsuits going after them by multiple attorney generals in the state in different states.
• 28:33
  It's bad.
• 28:34
  And it's bad because there are these live chat rooms, and it's bad because uh Roblox has not done enough fast enough while this problem has continued to perpetuate.
• 28:48
  And so um it's there was a story as recently this this year, uh a kid um named Thomas Medlin, who was in actually not far from you guys, he was in Stony Brook, New York.
• 29:00
  He was playing um Roblox, he's 15.
• 29:04
  He left his house and he wound up uh found six weeks later dead in a river in New York City, which for those listening, that's about two hours away from Stonybrook.
• 29:13
  So it's bad, and uh that's a tragedy, and they've they've announced some new safety measures, but to me it's you know, it's it's too little too late.
• 29:25
  And the CEO did an interview with Fox and he wasn't even contrived.
• 29:28
  He, you know, he's he's like trying to trying to talk like it's about uh you know earnings and numbers when he doesn't even have a heart for the children, you know, there wasn't any sense in which he felt he had any responsibility to the kids.
• 29:45
  And and so, you know, I I think about it this way if you're listening, you know, if if you ran a factory that produced you know, some say some coating of paint, okay, and as a byproduct of that, there was a chemical that leaked out of your factory and spilled into the river and uh down the hill and down the hill there to school, and the kids were getting poisoned in the water.
• 30:07
  The first thing any decent person would do is stop that problem, stop the leak.
• 30:13
  Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry.
• 30:14
  You know what?
• 30:15
  Let's in the fit fix that immediately.
• 30:18
  Uh, because that's the right thing to do.
• 30:20
  That's what you want somebody to do for your kids.
• 30:22
  That's what you'd expect any any decent human being to do.
• 30:25
  This is a problem that's gone on for over 10 years on with Roblox, and there's there's no contrition, and there's no sense, it's just you know, it's just kind of denial and avoidance.
• 30:34
  And and frankly, I think putting up these measures now because they are getting a lot of pressure.
• 30:41
  Um, other you know, other things to watch out for, I wouldn't put you get on TikTok.
• 30:45
  I think TikTok, I'll give you the most telling uh telling fact about TikTok.
• 30:50
  Obviously, it was created in in China.
• 30:52
  The Chinese government won't let their children use it.
• 30:55
  Oh boy.
• 30:57
  Yeah.
• 30:58
  It's true, true fact.
• 30:59
  So it's it really causes brain rot, short attention spans, um, you know, just a lot of a lot of awful toxic content on there that that um is really not good for kids.
• 31:11
  And I think I think you've got to be careful with even things like uh like YouTube.
• 31:16
  You know, there's a lot of bad games.
• 31:17
  I you know, we could spend all day, but there's games like Diablo, which you know, where you know Satan is the main character.
• 31:23
  There's games like Grand Theft Auto, where you you know you shoot police and you sell drugs and you you know beat up prostitutes.
• 31:30
  I mean, we we can spend a lot of time talking, going down the road of various different games.
• 31:34
  Um, but I I think the main thing I'd say to parents is uh one I would have make sure your child is using a game or watching a screen in a public place in your house rather than inside a room, because it prevents a lot of the the darkness from from happening when it's you know only in a one-on-one situation.
• 31:55
  I wouldn't let my kids on chat rooms, I don't.
• 31:58
  I wouldn't let my kids on social media until they're 18.
• 32:01
  Um, you know, I'll give you another stat.
• 32:03
  You can the UK did a study.
• 32:06
  If a girl, girls who spend over four hours a day on social media, 40% of them are clinically depressed.
• 32:16
  Wow.
• 32:17
  Yeah.
• 32:18
  So but I get that.
• 32:21
  Because you begin to just just psychologically, I think you begin to think of those people following you and commenting to you.
• 32:32
  You think of them as your friends, not the people that you're in your classroom with physically, the people that you're in the lunchroom with and the pressure that can be brought, especially the kinds of bullying that uh has traditionally shown up now through social media sites like Facebook and so forth that uh torment uh kids in middle school sometimes and even elementary school.
• 33:00
  Well, that's right.
• 33:01
  And additionally, you you're absolutely right.
• 33:03
  And on top of all that, um when you're and you know this, when you when you're a teenager, you don't your brain's still forming emotional and social relationships.
• 33:14
  That's what that phase of life is about.
• 33:16
  You know, if you take a 13-year-old and you leave them in your house for a week, they'll figure out how to feed themselves and get dressed and go to school.
• 33:24
  That's not the issue.
• 33:25
  The issue is can they figure out could you know, could they go to a job and work and figure out who was trying to take advantage of and exploit him and who wasn't, not really, because they're there's social emotional relationships aren't formed.
• 33:38
  That's the key when they're between you know 13 and you know, frankly, into your early 20s.
• 33:43
  So the point is if you're giving them social media, you're it's like you're you're giving them a set of glasses that have distorted lens that destroy their eyesight.
• 33:55
  That's that's what you're doing.
• 33:56
  You're you're you're you're destroying the very lens through which they see the world, their emotions and their their social um adaptations, and that's that's one of the many reasons why social media is so so toxic.
• 34:08
  So anyway, so back to advice for parents.
• 34:09
  I would just say I don't think all games are bad.
• 34:12
  I mean, obviously, we make video games, so I I enjoy, for example, the Zelda series.
• 34:16
  I think Zelda's phenomenal.
• 34:17
  Um, you know, there's other online games uh that are a lot of fun.
• 34:21
  You know, you're not gonna have any problems playing things like you know, Candy Crush, Royal Match, you know, whatever, all good.
• 34:26
  Uh I think you know, Minecraft is generally fine, actually.
• 34:30
  Um, but it's things like Roblox, um, and it's things like some of the darker demonic games where uh where things can get pretty bad pretty fast.
• 34:41
  Yeah.
• 34:45
  Yes.
• 34:46
  Wow.
• 34:47
  The other thing that uh I think we tend to just forget when we're using social media as adults, and I don't so much anymore because we've been the effect of this.
• 35:00
  That is there are wizards behind the doors and behind the curtains who are shifting the algorithms, shifting the little technical rules that are set up as to what can be illuminated and pushed forward to larger groups of people, what can be suppressed, because we tend to because we my husband's been uh decades long critic of big pharma and the injury of children and adults and other vulnerable people from uh some of the big pharma treatments.
• 35:00
  That is there are wizards behind the doors behind the curtains who are shifting the algorithms, shifting the little technical rules that are set up as to what can be illuminated and pushed forward to larger groups of people, what can be suppressed, because we tend to, because we my husband's been uh decades long critic of big pharma and the injury of children.
• 35:38
  Uh we have had uh personal experience with a lot of censoring and um and really just vanishing where you you one day you're there, and then but your message and you may be sending out a message, but your message just doesn't uh doesn't seem to be hitting any place, and that's a very uh subtle way of censoring.
• 36:03
  We also we lost our YouTube channel, and we had over 40,000 followers at the time, just when we were bringing out our book, COVID 19 and the global predators, we are the prey.
• 36:16
  And that was that happened within two hours of Peter doing a video and a very short video announcing the release of the book and its availability everywhere in bookstores, and poof, and our whole YouTube channel channel was gone.
• 36:33
  Permanently, yeah.
• 36:35
  Yeah, and and look, we've that's horrible.
• 36:37
  And the truth is we've experienced that too.
• 36:39
  You know, at TruePlay, we can't advertise in Google or TikTok.
• 36:42
  And meanwhile, as I was saying earlier, they allow satanic and and sexual content to be pushed on kids.
• 36:48
  So we've we're actually taking action.
• 36:49
  We'll work with you want to take take that when we come back.
• 36:53
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• 38:37
  Sorry about that.
• 38:39
  Just snuck up on me.
• 38:40
  It got very interesting.
• 38:42
  That's all right.
• 38:43
  Carry on.
• 38:43
  Thank you.
• 38:44
  What I'm saying is we're we're taking action.
• 38:46
  You know, you've been censored, we've been censored.
• 38:48
  We're taking action.
• 38:49
  We're working with the ACLJ group called 1792.
• 38:53
  Um, we've got some other great people who were, you know, working with us on this, the the Billy Graham uh evangelistic association.
• 39:01
  Um we've uh you know, we and we're we're working with uh Gary Bauer and some other great leaders who, and there's a lot of people who experience these problems, you know, um, pregnancy resource centers and uh a lot of you know Christian leaders, and uh the the real danger, if you're listening, is actually AI, and here's why it's Google's AI system, it's Google's AI model that that is the one that's censoring, for example, true play from advertising from uh, as you were saying, you know, what gets illuminated and what gets promoted, right?
• 39:33
  It's not like some human being has the time and energy to go through every single person who ever posed anything, it's the way the algorithm's built.
• 39:41
  So the problem is as AI is becoming more powerful, more ubiquitous, and by the way, Google is the most ubiquitous.
• 39:49
  Google controls 40% of cell phones in America, the majority of cell phones in the world, Google controls television now with with YouTube, Google controls uh browsing and a lot of email.
• 40:00
  It's easy for their AI systems to have an undue amount of power and influence.
• 40:07
  And we have the receipts to show you that they have this left is you know, hard left anti-Christian, anti-human position.
• 40:14
  In fact, the reason why Elon Musk started open AI with Sam Altman, and this is his own story.
• 40:20
  He said that he had a late night conversation with uh I think it was Larry Page, who was the one of the founders, and realized that Larry Page's point of view was well, we'll just build a machine that'll eventually replace humans, and that's just fine.
• 40:33
  And Elon Musk realized like you're trying to kill people, it's just like the Terminator or the Matrix.
• 40:39
  And then he kind of realized that open AI has the same agenda, and then you know, that's so then he started, you know, crocs.
• 40:47
  So there are, but you know, the dangers though, there's no Christian who runs a large uh LLM.
• 40:54
  There's no Christian who runs a major AI company, right?
• 40:57
  If you look at big tech, if you look at the small number of people who are making decisions that affect literally billions of people, none of them believe the Bible's true.
• 41:05
  None of them affirm or confirm the reality of Jesus Christ, right?
• 41:10
  None of them.
• 41:12
  You know, a tree is known by its fruit, Jesus said.
• 41:14
  You know, what's the kind of personal fruit you see born in these people?
• 41:18
  The types of ways they're living their lives or the types of causes they support.
• 41:23
  You don't see a lot of fruit there.
• 41:25
  And so for those people to build AI systems that make decisions about who can speak and who receives funds and who's a domestic terrorist, uh, those are those are issues we need to get settled pretty fast.
• 41:38
  And it's really important.
• 41:39
  If you're listening, if you're you're a Christian, if you're a conservative, you're a human, if you're an American, you want to see humanity survive, we've got to push for legislative change now so that AI protect so that we have laws to protect humans against AI from eventually trying to destroy us.
• 41:58
  Yes.
• 42:00
  This uh this is covered in some places that I've touched on, not that I've read about, but it's uh another one of those topics that's just feels overwhelming to even begin to look at.
• 42:00
  This uh this is covered in some places that I've touched on, not that I've read about, but it's uh another one of those topics that just feels overwhelming to even begin to look at.
• 42:13
  You know, even Christians who are just basically Christians in name only or basically that way, you know, your sunny day Christians.
• 42:13
  You know, even Christians who are just basically Christians in name only, or basically that way, you know, your sunny day Christians.
• 42:26
  Um, if they would just take the 10 commandments.
• 42:26
  Um, if they would just take the Ten Commandments and make the Ten Commandments part of the tapestry of life again, if we could just do that, that would take takes such important steps that have now vanished from the public, all the public squares we have, and the biggest public square now is all of the internet uh put together with the social media.
• 42:54
  Yes, absolutely true.
• 42:58
  So um let me think.
• 43:01
  What else would you like to share with us?
• 43:03
  You know, I um, you know, I just like people to just know if you're listening, you know, there's there is hope.
• 43:13
  There are people who are working uh for the betterment of children.
• 43:17
  Um there are whether it's what we're making at a true play or whether there's uh there are people who are advocating to protect Christianity and the Christian worldview against AI uh destroying us.
• 43:28
  And if you want to get involved, um, you know, you're welcome to go to True Play, you're welcome to go to, you know, you should write your congressman, your senator.
• 43:38
  If you, you know, you know, people get say, listen, we want to we want the right to be able to live and worship and speak freely.
• 43:46
  We don't want to be censored uh by AI.
• 43:49
  We need to have laws put in before it's too late, before the machines uh think that they know better.
• 43:55
  And they already do.
• 43:58
  Right, right.
• 43:59
  But those are the things that we need to get we get need to get decided now.
• 44:02
  Exactly.
• 44:03
  You know, if you're listening and you're getting you feel called to this, or you're getting getting uh fired up by this discussion, you need to join the fight.
• 44:12
  It doesn't, you know, it doesn't do any good to listen to a podcast and then go back to a normal way of life, you know, while the world slowly burns.
• 44:19
  And you would you guys have talked about you know there are there are really evil agendas out there in the way that people um you know in power often take advantage uh of others and have dark agendas, you know, those are uh those are things we need to be aware of and and need to be building towards uh taking action to really build towards a better future instead of a darker one.
• 44:43
  Do you know of any organizations that are have protecting humans from AI as important piece of their agenda?
• 44:55
  That's a great, I mean that that's kind of what kind of what some friends of mine and I are doing with myself and the ACLJ and like I said, the Billy Graham Association, it's there's kind of a group of us who are who are standing up and saying, hey, this this has to change.
• 45:08
  Gary Bauer, uh, who's part of um, you know, done done a lot of work in the Christian space for a long time.
• 45:15
  Um so you know, we've got to we've got to push that now.
• 45:19
  We've got to make that happen.
• 45:21
  You know, we we've got to uh there's I think I think what often happens is that Christians fall behind technology.
• 45:28
  You know, if you look at most tech CEOs, there's very few that are Christians and believers.
• 45:33
  Um and uh there's reasons for that.
• 45:36
  I mean, you know, uh, you know, we both went to Harvard Peter, and it tends to kind of filter people out of their faith.
• 45:43
  Um there's also reasons because they're they're uh I think often selected away from uh or aren't willing to to take a risk and and get into the fight.
• 45:57
  So anyway, the bottom line is I I think that there are um there's some real opportunities to uh you know to to drive change and and and to be in front of this one, not behind it.
• 46:10
  Good.
• 46:11
  Um I I will uh put all of these, I will name these uh in the article that we'll write that will accompany our radio show and podcast for people who want to look for the text so that they can connect with some of these organizations.
• 46:32
  Um this is as important as anything to protect really, you're absolutely right to protect humanity and to protect what is human about us, yeah.
• 46:44
  Both in terms of obviously sorting out and um managing the content so that the con the genuinely evil content and the genuine stalking and abuse of humans uh in especially our young is um is is stopped and and censored.
• 47:10
  That's what needs censoring.
• 47:12
  Yeah, that's right, absolutely.
• 47:14
  Well, so you know, Peter, I I thought it would be interesting to talk a little bit about uh your work since you know this is kind of the first time for us to meet.
• 47:22
  I was um, you know, like I said, I I just grew up by observation and saw this massive over-prescription of Ritalin uh to you know, boys usually who were three, four, five, six years younger than me.
• 47:38
  And it was as though suddenly everybody had ADD.
• 47:42
  And um, you know, any time that a kid didn't want to sit down and shut up and be still when he was six years old, well, you must have ADD.
• 47:48
  And it's like, no, I think you must be a six-year-old boy.
• 47:51
  Um, you've probably read this book.
• 47:52
  One of the best books I ever read was by um it was a book called Boys Adrift.
• 47:59
  Um, have you ever read that?
• 48:01
  Boys Adrift.
• 48:02
  Yeah, boys adrift.
• 48:03
  Yeah, doesn't sound familiar to me.
• 48:05
  I do a lot of the shelving.
• 48:07
  Okay.
• 48:09
  Shelving.
• 48:10
  So he's uh um let me so it was a book that was written about 10 years ago uh by a friend of mine named Leonard Sachs.
• 48:22
  He's uh a P MD PhD, went to MIT and UPenn, child psychologist.
• 48:27
  You should connect with him for you.
• 48:29
  So he's be perfect.
• 48:30
  He he basically said, why is it that we find boys, you know, young men rather feeling, you know, 30 years old working at Starbucks, living in their mom's house.
• 48:39
  He said there's there's five things that happen.
• 48:41
  One, we overprescribe Ritalin, two, we school young boys too early.
• 48:47
  Three, um, plastics in the water supply and the water system and the bottles overproduce estrogen, so they lose the testosterone.
• 48:56
  Uh four, he actually falls to video games, which I didn't take too personally, but I think his point is that kids can get into these alternate realities where the the real world doesn't seem real.
• 49:00
  But I think his point is that kids can get into these alternate realities where the real world doesn't seem real.
• 49:07
  And that that is true, but that's not just video games.
• 49:07
  And that that is true, but that's not just video games.
• 49:09
  There's a lot of other social media is basically the same thing.
• 49:09
  There's a lot of other social media is basically the same thing.
• 49:12
  And then the last thing he talks about is we don't have um ceremonies in American culture to take a boy from being a man.
• 49:12
  And then the last thing he talks about is we don't have um ceremonies in American culture to take a boy from being a man.
• 49:20
  So for example, in South Africa, um in uh you know, some of the some of the cultures there have these ceremonies where boys will be.
• 49:20
  So for example, in South Africa, um, in uh, you know, some of the some of the cultures there have these ceremonies where boys will be taken to uh you know go and become a become a man, and there are other cultures who do that, and here we don't.
• 49:37
  You know, masculinity is something that's considered you know almost barbaric or brutish or toxic rather than uh, you know, or you're you're you know, you're encouraged to be something, you know, like you know, the whole transgender thing to be like Boy George or something, uh, you know, or Harry Style, something ridiculous like that, you know, a man wearing a dress, you know, rather telling men, no, no, no, you you can be strong, you can be virtuous, you don't have to be like Jeffrey Epstein or Harvey Weinstein, toxic.
• 50:06
  You can be virtuous.
• 50:07
  Look at you know, King David, look at Jesus.
• 50:09
  I mean, I always looked at Ronald Reagan, right?
• 50:11
  Someone who I he was a president when I was conscious, you know, when I, you know, the for my first memories were him being president and um you know, using his ability to communicate and and strength.
• 50:23
  Um, so anyway, I just thought that your your work against dual prescription riddling is is really important because uh I just saw that all the you know firsthand.
• 50:34
  Yeah, thank you.
• 50:35
  You're helping inspire me.
• 50:38
  Well good.
• 50:40
  Um because I've been thinking very much about writing a book about um boys becoming passionate men, and why they give up their passions and so that sports is practically the only thing left to us to get excited and passionate about.
• 51:06
  It's the only permissible way to be masculine anymore.
• 51:09
  Well, I think I think that in entrepreneurship.
• 51:11
  I think that there is there is a vein which you know, young men being entrepreneurs is still something that's that's kind of like being an explorer today.
• 51:20
  You know, it's not certainly as physically dangerous as getting on a boat and sailing it you know across the ocean.
• 51:26
  But it's certainly point.
• 51:28
  Yeah, but it's certainly, I mean, I've been doing this for you know over 20 years.
• 51:32
  It certainly is a lot of the same psychology of you've got to get from point A to point Z, not to point B, but to point Z, you know, some land you've never seen before, and only you imagine your mind's eye, and you figure out how to get there.
• 51:43
  So I think those are two ways where masculinity is expressed.
• 51:46
  And the third one is honestly um, you know, pastoring.
• 51:51
  And whether that's you know, running a church or whether that's doing like what Charlie Kirk did.
• 51:55
  Um, I I'm privileged to serve on the Board of Promise Keepers.
• 51:59
  Our CEO does something where he goes to different college campuses and talks about why masculinity matters and talks about what you know biblical biblical Christianity means, talks about why why men need to be good men and men of integrity.
• 52:12
  And so that's a third area where I think there are opportunities for um, you know, to for boys to live their their ways out.
• 52:22
  There's a there's a guy named Aaron Wren, who I don't know him, but I read his work, he's very, very, very good, very insightful.
• 52:27
  He does a lot of work about uh evangelicals, and he he just put um an article on him on his mailing list.
• 52:34
  It talks about how event, and I'm an evangelical Christian, so I can say this that evangelical Christianity doesn't raise enough men to be entrepreneurs because the culture is too risk-averse, and so it raises men to kind of live in cubicles rather than going out and taking risks and trying to you know, really for you know, for the betterment of the kingdom, which is you know what you see the apostles did and David did and um Moses did, etc.
• 53:02
  And so he because he says that in evangelical Christianity, there's too much um too much thoughts around conformity, too much there's a level of which men do me to be responsible, but not overly concerned with the tradies of this world.
• 53:21
  And I think uh Tony Evans, who's a pastor, I really liked said one time he said, you know, guys, we're not on the home team anymore.
• 53:26
  You know, in American evangelical Christianity, I think that we have this concept that we're the home team, but that hasn't been true for 10, 20 years.
• 53:38
  So um, you know, when you're the home team, you're comfortable, right?
• 53:42
  When you're not the home team, when you're the visitors, when you're the away team, when you're the challenger, and the but you know, it's title, you know, it's a UFC heavyweight title fight, and you're the challenger for the title.
• 53:52
  You know, you're the one who's uh who the onus is on.
• 53:56
  And so that's kind of how it is for us now.
• 54:00
  Yeah, I think so.
• 54:02
  Peter, you wrote a book in the early 90s, uh, right after the Columbine shootings, which were the first really mass shooting in a high school that changed our culture.
• 54:16
  Yeah, that was reconciled.
• 54:20
  And last night we heard Bobby Kennedy Jr.
• 54:23
  Sorry, RFK, RFK Jr., uh, who had been being grilled in a congressional hearing that we happened to stumble upon on C-span or something.
• 54:34
  And he was talking about the same problems that we were addressing that you were addressing in that book, in regards to the not the psychiatry, not the heavy drugging, not the uh uh the the whole psychiatric model, which is uh it's diagnosing and then producing the drugs and tweaking them forever and really not addressing the fundamental underlying needs of each individual child because each individual child is coming with a trauma or an issue of some sort.
• 55:10
  And reclaiming our children discussed all of that in such detail, and it's like that is still needed today.
• 55:20
  That it never changed, it got worse.
• 55:23
  Uh the drugging got worse.
• 55:25
  Yeah.
• 55:26
  And it's just uh piece of another piece of our culture that where we need to return to really addressing the humanity in each of us.
• 55:38
  I think we have just one minute left.
• 55:41
  It's gone so quickly.
• 55:42
  Thank you.
• 55:43
  Couldn't you could you tell us again how people can find you?
• 55:47
  Sure.
• 55:47
  You can find us on uh True Play, True Playgames.com, T-R-U-P-L-A-Y games, or go to your app store or Google Play Store and go to True Play.
• 55:56
  You can download it.
• 55:57
  It's uh over 100 hours of content, great video games.
• 56:00
  Video great video games.
• 56:01
  We release new stuff all the time.
• 56:01
  We release new stuff all the time.
• 56:02
  We just released a new game last month.
• 56:02
  We just released a new game last month.
• 56:04
  We have uh some new there's there's dozens and dozens of entertainment options to play inside.
• 56:04
  We have uh some new there's there's dozens of dozens of entertainment options to play inside.
• 56:10
  It's safe, it's fun.
• 56:10
  It's safe, it's fun.
• 56:12
  We even have parents enjoy it, as well as of course kids.
• 56:12
  We even have parents enjoy it as well as of course kids, and every piece of content we make has a biblical foundation to it, so your kid can take something uh hopefully that builds them up in this life and the next.
• 56:15
  And every piece of content we make has a biblical foundation to it, so your kid can take something uh hopefully that builds them up in this life and the next.
• 56:23
  So it's been a pleasure to to spend a little time with you guys today.
• 56:23
  So it's been a pleasure to spend a little time with you guys today, have a lot of respect for the work you've done and appreciate you guys very much.
• 56:26
  I have a lot of respect for the work you've done and appreciate you guys very much.
• 56:29
  Thank you, sir.
• 56:30
  Wonderful to talk with you.
• 56:32
  Same here.