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Jocks and Thongs · Kinkyboys Podcast

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Buck: hello, my beautiful listeners.
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So before we get to the meat of this episode there's a
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few things I have to cover.
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Firstly, this went through a bit of a cursed editing process.
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Both my laptop had a massive crash and also the original recording.
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Unfortunately, large chunks of it were corrupted.
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And I've had to work very hard to recover what I can.
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Most of the audio is now fine.
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Though at some points, both Jimmy and Adam their audio can be a bit hard to decipher.
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In some patches.
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I have also included.
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A transcript of everything.
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So if you don't feel like you can hear everything perfectly, which again, most
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of it is fine just check the transcript.
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Secondly, as well as including the visual images, in the show notes, I will
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also be attempting to add them in to the podcast itself as chapter artworks.
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Not every app supports this, I believe iTunes does as well as
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most third party Android apps.
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So please do check, your app and see what artwork it's displaying.
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Hopefully it'll be a fun little treat for you.
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Otherwise, all images we discuss are kept in the show notes.
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Now, one more thing before we actually get to the interview.
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I, of course, can't forget to thank our daddy's favorite level patrons, and it
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was thinking of them and all of our good boys and subscribers that kept me going
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through this nightmarish editing process.
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So I have to thank:
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time to tinker.
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Frank Nl
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Adam, NYC,
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Southern Suiter Ner
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Banjo, Stewie
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Forever bulking.
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Brian c
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and harry hypnotist.
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You really are daddy's favorite.
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Now on with the interview.
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Hello and welcome again to the Kinky Boys Podcast.
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Going forward, you have known me as Craig, but in my personal life I have
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been trialing a new name, buck, and I'll be using that going forward.
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So yes, hello.
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I am your host Buck, and today, on this episode about underwear I am wearing.
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A darkroom brand thong with attached leg straps.
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Sampson: Ooh.
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Buck: yes,
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it's one of my favorites.
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And joining us our lovely co-host will introduce themselves.
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Jimmy: Hello,
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I am Jimmy Bassett, and today I decided to wear my own thong
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Buck: Nice.
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Sampson: I am Samson and this morning I woke up in a pink jocks drop that
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suspiciously had dollar bills stuffed into it because I did a go-go shift
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last night and then fell asleep in the jock that I was wearing.
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Buck: Nice.
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Sampson: Yeah.
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So I woke up in a, in a pool of dollar bills and sweat.
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Yes.
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Adam: You know, I've read that story.
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Hi I'm Adam and today I'm wearing a front pair of briefs, from Amazon, because
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trying to get fun nullo underwear it is still kind of a bit of a stretch.
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Buck: Okay.
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I have to say the funky checker mark pattern is quite cool
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Sampson: very ska.
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Adam: Thank you Verse half UNC from last episode for recommending them.
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Buck: and I am also working on getting you some custom underwear, so watch this space
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Sampson: say I need to like sew you some patches that say like additional
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sold separately or whatever.
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That you can sew onto the front of your
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Buck: oh, that would be
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Sampson: Yeah, yeah.
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Yes.
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. Buck: So because there will will be certain visual elements to this podcast,
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what I'm going to do is I will both put links to each photo in the show
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notes and call them out as we go.
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I will also be using the modern technology of the podcasting 2.0 standard.
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Be adding them in as chapter artwork on the podcast itself.
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So we will see how that goes.
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And I hope the audience enjoys all the photos along with this episode.
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Sampson: The wonders of technology
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Buck: So, yes.
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let's start off with our first topic.
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We will co be covering jocks first.
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Let's start with the history.
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So jocks were invented around the 1950s.
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As sportswear, they are there to provide a degree of protection, often
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accompanying with a cup during sports.
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And they have essentially a band around the waist and two bands around
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the legs to keep the pouch in place as well as the cup if it's there.
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there are variations.
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I found out there's actually a specific jock strap for.
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Ice hockey, which has garter straps to keep up.
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Hockey socks.
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Sampson: So it's like the Liza Minnelli of Jock
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Buck: Exactly.
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It's Jockstraps if an S, because Jockstraps, if a Z would be Jack Streps.
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Sampson: OMG So silly.
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Buck: That's all going on the cutting
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Sampson: Leave it in.
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Buck: so I'm going to make a bold yet brave statement.
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I think jocks have sort of become the main underwear signifier for gay men.
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Shocking.
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Sampson: think that's accurate.
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No, I think, I think that's controversial yet.
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Brave.
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Jimmy: I wish some underwear company would admit that you can't just change the
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waist and the leg straps to fit everybody.
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If somebody would start making like the twink shape in small, large, small,
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medium, large, and then the bare shape in small, medium, large, because the
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proportions are different, and when you highlight a guy's curve just right,
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Sampson: That's a great point.
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I think a lot of those honestly are, are kind of self sorting by brand.
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I find that like something, and you know what, let's just, let's say the
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receipts, let's say the receipts.
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Let's, let's, let's call them out.
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Like something like Andrew Christian.
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Those are like, those are for twinks, right?
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Like there is, I have never seen like a Andrew Christian jock that like.
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Will fit me when I'm bulking and have it look good they're built for twigs, right.
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Whereas yeah, something else like, like some of the Mr. S brand
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stuff is really great for bears.
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Some of the bike original, like, you know, some of that stuff looks really
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great on, on, on big, thick boys.
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So yeah, I think you kind of learn what brands work for you
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and what materials they use.
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Buck: This is a big part of why I do a lot of stuff from the darkroom brand.
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They are made for, well they're probably made, made for really muscular guys,
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but they're cut in a way that works really well if you, if you are like me,
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a fatter build, like a bearish build.
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They work really well on those as well.
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Jimmy: When you find a jock strap where the straps lay just perfect
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under your cheeks to lift, oh, you buy like 20 pairs by the same people
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Sampson: Yep.
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Buck: yeah.
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You have to turn and find what works for you.
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And I think like that is one of the main appeals why jocks have become so popular
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is they are incredible at framing the arse
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Sampson: Yeah.
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Adam: Yes.
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Sampson: I also think jockstraps are one of the universal symbols.
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When you are in a gay men's space of it's more indicative of being a bottom because
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I have friends that are strictly tops.
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They do not like.
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Anything as play at all.
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And they won't wear a jock strap because if they go out to a bar and a jockstrap
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that's giving access to something that they don't want touched or played with
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or, you know, like, or a go-go boy, right?
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Like if there's a go-go boy that's strictly a top stop the press.
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I that they might not be as inclined to wear a jock
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because it leaves that exposed.
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Buck: Wait, wait.
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There are go-go boys who are tops.
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Sampson: Oh, no, I was saying it is ironic, right?
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There's there's no go-go boys word.
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I've only met one.
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I've met one a go-go boy who was a strict top and yeah, he doesn't wear
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jock straps because, because of that
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Buck: Ah, interesting.
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Jimmy: That's fair.
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Adam: to the obvious question.
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What is the tops equivalent of the Jock?
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Buck: Like I have seen, quote unquote reverse jock straps, they did not look
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good, at least not the models I've seen.
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Where it's literally like a brief with backs, but the crotch cut out.
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Sampson: No, I mean, I think this is one of the things that you can't
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just Missy Elliot and call it good.
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You can't just put that thing down, whip it and reverse it.
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It's not the same.
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Buck: It's like, it's like the reverse mohawk.
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There is a reason it that never took off.
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Sampson: Oof,
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Adam: the whole point is it's accentuating, so I suppose like
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the built in cock rings or pouches where you touch everything in at
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the front and they just go: "So...."
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Sampson: I think that's too much work for a, for a top though.
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I feel like the real top equivalent is just like a really ill-fitting pair
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of like boxers from like when they were still in high school and they're
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like tattered and ratty and you know that they're just like a toxic dom,
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but they're gonna fuck you real good.
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Buck: That is like the top, where the sex is really good, but like he's
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just got a mattress on the floor.
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Sampson: Yes,
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He's got a lawn
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Jimmy: I should have grabbed a pair of the Army issue underwear.
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But
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they're very badly fitting.
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Tidy, white, in olive Drab
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Buck: like TT whitey are, can be sexy.
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I've seen, like, I also know someone who has a like T
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whitey brief fetish
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because there's a fetish for everyone.
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And I can see the appeal, especially like modern ones are cut lower to like more
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the hips rather than the actual waist.
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Like you can get some sexy briefs.
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Oh.
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And so I've got a pair of those.
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Ones like Adam described, which have the pouch that pulls everything forward.
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It's a Mr. B one lovely pair.
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I tried doing leg day in them one day and squatting.
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That was painful.
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Sampson: Have you ever broken a jock strap?
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Have any of you ever like, like yeah, like squatting or something
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and has, and had one of the, one of the straps like snap off.
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Buck: Is this just you boasting?
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Sampson: No, no.
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This is a genuine question.
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Like squatting in the gym, like you were saying.
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Jimmy: I've had the pouch give out over time, but that's just wear and tear.
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Adam: I've torn the straps off doing cardio before.
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the other version is when you rip them off with your teeth.
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Buck: I mean, ripping underwear and tearing through it is one of my big
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things as, especially Adam knows
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Adam: No, really.
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Buck: I have,
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I have bought with me when I last saw Adam, some lovely old, ratty old
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pair of boxes, which were on the way out and, you know, just very, very
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timidly asked him to rip them off
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Sampson: See, I I, I, I think that there would be much more of an appeal for that
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if gay underwear wasn't so expensive.
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It's like, I'm not gonna buy a jock strap for $75 and then have someone rip it off.
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Buck: Yeah.
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I, I, in my life cannot do that.
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Like I cannot justify spending that amount of money on underwear.
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I get the cheap ripoff stuff off eBay, which is mass produced in China.
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It falls apart in like a year, but I pay like three pound for each one.
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Sampson: So it's fine.
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Buck: Yeah.
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And again, you don't feel bad ripping it apart.
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Sampson: Yeah.
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Adam: Nope.
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A three pound
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Buck: But, it, that does touch on something.
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So it is weird how jock jockstraps have become fashion, like we talked about,
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like the original jockstrap being bike.
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Sampson: Yes.
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Buck: It is the really big, thick band with like the two straps
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and the big thick cotton pouch.
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Yeah.
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Adam: exactly.
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These, precisely.
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Buck: Yes.
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We will be putting our first image up on the website.
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And this I yeah, and it's weird to see how over time, as they
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become more and more fashion.
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All the utility of them has drained out, and as you've got these fashion
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designers, they sort of, the band becomes thinner and lower and the pouch
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becomes tighter and more prominent.
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Sampson: Yeah, funny enough, it's like I feel like getting hit in the balls
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in a, like a fashion forward Jock Strap would hurt more than just not wearing one
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at all, which is, it defeats the whole purpose of what it was designed for, but.
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Jimmy: Some of the new jockstraps, like the classic bike, they rely
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on that knitwear and it kind of form fits some jockstraps.
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They go into some really complicated geometry to put your package into the
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room five minutes before you walk in.
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Sampson: Yeah.
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Buck: that's one of those things you have to hunt around for something
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that fits your perfect body shape.
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I found the cell block 13 ones really match my dicken ball shape.
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Sampson: Hmm.
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Buck: image two on, Yeah.
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And although one thing thicker older jock straps are much better for is scent.
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Jimmy: I miss the 2015-ish nasty pig jock straps that were almost,
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they were that knit within
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details, applicate on those held Scents so damn well.
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Buck: Yeah.
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It's like.
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I just, I just talked about how good the cell block 13 fit me.
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They carry no scent.
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Like you need a thick material to really soak up the sweat and store it,
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and it has to be like proper cotton.
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Adam: But wait, are we just purists in that case it's bike or it's nothing?
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Buck: again, like half the time, it's half the time.
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I want people to see me in them.
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I don't want people to smell me I mean, they're welcome to, but
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Adam: Because that was always why I loved the Mesh ones.
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Mm-hmm.
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Where you could see everything.
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You could get the temptation of it, you could be scintillated, because
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there's just that one solid panel right at the front, just keeping like
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the last hint to the imagination.
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And it was again, that accentuation, that titillation
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that everything is on show except.
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Just outs of reach that I really loved.
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Sampson: Sure.
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I find a lot of that is more common as well with things that are like like
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lingerie or as, as more and more guys have become more confident with wearing
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things that are like lace and things that are traditionally more, more feminine.
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Like, what do you guys think about that?
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Personally, I love fishnets.
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I think they're super hot.
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I don't know if they technically qualify as underwear, but, yeah,
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it comes, that comes down to this queer gender fuckery of where, what,
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where, what makes you feel sexy.
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Buck: It again, it is like it is about what makes you feel sexiest
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and if that's what works for you, that's great, and like we can expand.
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Like I have similar feelings about like really tall socks on guys.
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Sampson: Mm-hmm.
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Buck: That's a trend that I'm really glad to see taking off.
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And it's like for ages, that was like the preserve of being fem.
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And now like you're seeing a lot more tall socks on guys and I'm really enjoying
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Sampson: Yeah, like, like thigh high,
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Jimmy: I usually like my socks between like calf and knee, but that's the ones on
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Buck: I just always remember the first time I saw like Kneehigh socks.
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They were basically like baseball socks on a go-go boy with a like crop baseball,
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top with a baseball bat over his shoulders and a jock strap and the thigh high.
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Baseball socks pulled right up to his crotch, and I was, I was fascinated.
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I'm like, I've not seen this before and this is doing stuff to me
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both sexually and gender stuff.
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And it's like, oh
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Sampson: Yeah.
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Adam: the wait, this was an option?
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Sampson: Yeah.
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Buck: the whole time.
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Sampson: Yeah.
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Buck: I think we're gonna get into that a bit more with thongs because they kind
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of veer into this territory as well.
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But I think a lot of this is down to lockdown.
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Like the world went through
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lockdown
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Sampson: Oh.
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Buck: and people were left scared and horny in their, locked in their
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homes with a lot of time just to dwell on them without outside pressures.
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And people figured out a lot of shit about what they like and a lot of
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anxieties and sort of outside pressures and stigmas in that time dropped away.
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So you had a lot more guys looking into lace and lingerie style for
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And another big one is thongs.
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Jimmy: Try to celebrate thong Thursday every week.
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Buck: Exactly.
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Sampson: A lot of people, finally realize that spandex is a right, not a privilege.
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Buck: It's just better when it's skin tight and stretchy.
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Sampson: Yeah.
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Yeah.
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If we've learned anything from Olivia Newton John, it's that being sewn into
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a pair of spandex hot pants is worth it.
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Buck: This is the thing.
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They weren't spandex.
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is why she had to be sewn in.
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Sampson: Yes, Yes.
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Oh my God.
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You're right.
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Yeah.
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They look like spandex though.
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'cause they're so skin
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Buck: Yeah.
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Sampson: I love her.
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Anytime I can make the niche, Olivia Newton John reference, I absolutely will.
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absolutely
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Buck: But yeah.
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Any more thoughts on jocks before we move on to other underwear with jocks
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like thongs and apparently socks?
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Sampson: Do you guys remember the first time you ever saw a jockstrap
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like was, for me it was like the walking down, like the, the underwear
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aisle in like a Walmart or something and being like, what did you get?
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Like this, the secret.
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I mean, that's kind of like any, any previous gay experience of
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Buck: that is like universal gay man, queer man's experience is the underwear
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Just seeing nearly naked bodies close up on the big bulges in the underwear,
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and not quite understanding why you are so fascinated by this aisle.
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Sampson: ice bears horny.
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Buck: Yeah,
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Adam: time seeing a job was actually in person.
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My first sir, who I had met on, not even recon his roommate.
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Like me and wanted to put me in jockstrap and I was like, where's the butt?
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And then I looked in the mirror and went, oh, that's the butt
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Sampson: He went, no, they were.
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They're half off.
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I got 'em for a steal.
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Jimmy: So I do have a very off the wall jock strap story
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so.
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Military deployment to Afghanistan one year, and it was my first deployment.
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I had worked with Fort Trough before, so had some contacts there and
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messaged them, Hey, I'm over here fighting, fighting for your freedom.
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I'm with a group of 20 something Army boys.
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Every shape, size you could think of.
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I've worn your product before.
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It's fantastic.
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Do you want to hook up some?
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BTW they're all straight, so underwear with butst like briefs,
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boxer briefs, compression shorts,
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and Fort Trough sent a box full of jock
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army boys minds blown.
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A couple of my convinced to keep 'em because I was, I
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told 'em like, these are cut.
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Your girl will appreciate it when you get home because you
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dick will be three minutes
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Sampson: that's what I always wonder about jocks too.
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Like do do straight girls appreciate or enjoy like a guy in more
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intentional sexual underwear, right?
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Like obviously I think a straight men, we really, really fetishize.
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I say we, what am I about?
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Straight guys?
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Really fetishize like women in like the bras, the panties, the victorious secret.
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I mean, it's everywhere in culture, but we don't really see that for straight men.
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So I wonder, you know, some straight women like gay porn for that reason.
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Do straight women, you know, appreciate that as much.
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Adam: If stage shows are anything to go by, the answer is yes.
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There is a preference for, again, accentuation Titillation in.
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Yeah.
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If you know what shows offer body well, it is more attractive than
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Sure there's something under there.
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Sampson: Oof.
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Yeah.
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See the diff the difference is you as a nolo actually want that.
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You're like, I'm sure that there's something under there.
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And you're like, surprised
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Buck: the, cake is a lie
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Sampson: Yeah.
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Buck: actually no, no, no.
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Adam, you have plenty of cake
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Jimmy: the cake very real.
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I think underwear marketed to straight males.
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If anything, they will focus on like the support and comfort of the wearer,
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Adam: yeah,
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, Buck: because, you know, marketing in the sort of straight world, everything
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is geared towards the male gaze as opposed to the the male gay's world
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where everything is also geared towards the male But it is like,
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Sampson: I know.
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If you haven't seen contra points.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Buck: but yeah, it, it is this thing of like the female gaze is not catered to
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both in clothing and general society.
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I.
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Adam: which is weird because.
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Don't straight men want to feel sexy?
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Buck: No.
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Adam: One would've thought that somewhere along the way they'd want to feel like
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Sampson: I think for straight guys though.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Straight guys though.
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They, they want to feel that way without having to try, because if they
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have to put intention into it, then suddenly they question themselves,
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I think is what it comes down to.
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They want to be perceived as effortless or like flawlessly
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with no intention or effort, like.
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Hot, sexy, cool, fly, all the things.
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But as soon as they have to make these difficult decisions, then they're like,
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wait, actually, does this look good on me?
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And then it starts a complex.
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Buck: I think there's also something else there, which is a straight man
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would like to be found sexy, but I don't think in sort of normative,
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heteronormative cis male culture, feeling sexy within yourself is considered manly.
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Sampson: Yeah.
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Buck: Feeling sensual, like feeling sexy in that way is a quote
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unquote feminine coded trait.
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So I think straight men want to avoid that feeling 'cause it
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makes them feel feminine in a way.
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Again, this is conjecture, like, please straight people write in,
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enlighten us about your weird ways.
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Sampson: In the wise words of Edith John Waters, Edith Massey, the World of the
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Heterosexual is a sick and twisted place.
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Adam: but I just keep going back to all of the people who cosplay
23:45
their favorite sports characters.
23:48
They get dressed up in the costume and the shorts and the, and the t-shirts,
23:52
and they make sure that it's got the right number and the name on the back
23:56
and like you just go one step further, just get the underwear as well.
24:01
And I guarantee you your girlfriend will enjoy it.
24:05
Buck: I mean, I do feel the world is slowly changing.
24:08
Sampson: I do love the sportswear thing though, and I think that the,
24:10
I think that jocks kind of feed into that, that fantasy, right?
24:14
Buck: It is like the jock fantasy, like the sweaty sportsman, who's big and
24:22
powerful, the high achieving virile.
24:25
Adam: Oh, damn, we've got more
24:28
Sampson: Now I have, now I have a, A show and tell moment.
24:33
Buck: Image 3
24:36
Sampson: himboooo.
24:40
Buck: baseball shirt that says Image three in the notes.
24:43
Sampson: Yeah.
24:44
That's
24:44
Adam: And now you need the orange and white socks.
24:47
And the orange hot pants and
24:50
Sampson: Yeah.
24:50
Oh yeah.
24:51
Trust and believe.
24:52
Yeah.
24:52
This is a.
24:55
This is fem boy Hooters.
24:57
Yeah,
24:58
Buck: Well,
24:59
they'll be the Hooters left soon because the real one's going outta business.
25:02
Sampson: Oof.
25:03
Yeah.
25:04
I didn't know
25:05
that.
25:06
Buck: these days.
25:08
No one wants subpar wings with really uncomfortable waitresses.
25:14
Jimmy: there.
25:15
Sampson: Yeah.
25:16
Again, the world of the heterosexuals is a sick and place.
25:21
Jimmy: it was always weird to me when people bring like their 5-year-old kids to
25:25
Sampson: It is weird.
25:27
Adam: is weird.
25:27
It is weird.
25:30
Jimmy: and that's not grooming.
25:32
Sampson: No, because it's straight.
25:33
Yeah.
25:35
Buck: Yeah, the whole idea of Hooters, where you go somewhere to ogle
25:38
someone, it does feel kind of gross.
25:40
If it was all men, it'll be fine.
25:42
Sampson: Yeah, it feels a little bit different when it's deconstructed.
25:45
Like, and this kind of ties into underwear too, and this whole concept
25:47
of gender roles and sexuality and, and, and products that are made to support
25:51
them is just, it feels like it is.
25:54
So I don't know, stock standard for yeah, like for five year olds to be at
25:58
Hooters, like we just don't even blink.
25:59
We don't even question that.
26:01
And so there is something subversive, I think that is appealing to a lot of these.
26:05
Alternative or kind of out there styles of, of underwear where even just the very
26:10
act of wearing it, having it, looking for it, buying it, seeing it represented
26:15
is inherently liberating, right.
26:17
Like sexually exciting because obviously it looks very, it looks very hot.
26:21
But also, yeah, you just kind of go along with feeling subversive and feeling like
26:25
it's, it's, you know, you're wearing something that is reflective of your
26:30
Buck: And there's always the aspect of you can be dressed totally like
26:35
plainly business for the office, but if you were wearing a thong or
26:40
a jock under that, you know, you are feeling sexy under these drab work
26:46
Sampson: Oh yeah.
26:49
Buck: So, yeah, I think that is a good departure.
26:52
Talking about gender stuff and all this to get onto Thongs.
26:56
I mean, this is one of the things about thongs again, is that you
27:01
are constantly being reminded as the strap is going up your ass.
27:05
again, if you are especially feeling like submissive and you tie into
27:09
the hole, wanting to feel slutty.
27:12
And this is the big difference between, for me, between jock straps and thongs.
27:18
Jock straps make me feel hot.
27:20
Thongs make me feel slutty.
27:23
Adam: My favorite though is still just the physical sensation of it
27:28
rubbing your hole as you are walking?
27:30
Bonus points if you've got a plug in, because as it's slides over, the
27:36
external bit of the plug is sort of.
27:39
Sends a little with every step.
27:42
Buck: Mm-hmm.
27:44
Yeah.
27:46
And like this has become.
27:48
A visual.
27:49
I see a lot in people.
27:51
What they post thongs over plugs, which is like a top tier image for me.
27:58
Sampson: That's very Dan draws boys.
28:01
Jimmy: So the one I like is a well worn, stretched butt hole
28:09
that kind of swallows the hole
28:11
Buck: Yes, yes.
28:14
The whole sort of, your holes become so puffy.
28:17
Chews on the drug show.
28:19
Sampson: To embrace the thong, you first must become one with the thong.
28:23
Yeah.
28:24
Jimmy: If I Could ever get my hole big enough to swallow a jock, both
28:27
straps of a jock strap like that.
28:29
Sampson: my God.
28:31
Jimmy: Spot of enlightenment.
28:32
Buck: Yeah, that would be quite a feat.
28:34
Adam: How would you even do that?
28:36
The pouch would have to go so far back that both straps are between
28:40
your cheeks and you, could achieve it if your butt was *that* big.
28:47
Buck: I mean, it would make wearing a C-String a bit easier
28:49
so C-Stringss are a bit rarer.
28:52
They're actually, essentially, underwear of no straps, it's essentially a springy
28:57
wire that basically holds the groin pouch by cupping your arss with the wire.
29:06
Gives a lovely sort of like no straps look
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Sampson: No bra, no straps, no panties.
29:13
Oh.
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Buck: I mean, this is something that I always find interesting about thongs,
29:19
which is they're almost there to highlight nudity more than simply being naked.
29:25
Sampson: Yes.
29:26
Yeah.
29:26
Buck: They are
29:27
proactively drawing the eye and highlighting your body and highlighting
29:33
exactly what is being exposed.
29:37
, Sampson: I've always said that I think that somebody who's in a speedo or a
29:40
thong or a jocks drop, I find that hotter than somebody just being naked, like
29:44
even at like a nude beach or something.
29:46
I actually prefer guys to wear a Speedo.
29:48
I think it's hot and it's colorful and it's fun, and it injects
29:51
a little bit more personality
29:52
Adam: So you've got like the color contrast, you've got the shine contrast,
29:56
you've got the texture contrast.
29:59
Everything helps draw the eye if you are wearing something, as opposed to
30:03
it all being a single continuous color pattern, a single continuous shade.
30:10
It looks.
30:11
More eye catching if you've got something there, distinguishing the bit you want
30:16
to draw the eye to, so you do have that aspect of it, which makes it more eye
30:22
catching to wear something than to not, and at the same time you have that.
30:30
It's right there.
30:31
It is just outta reach.
30:33
It is still completely visible, but also I can just spend my time imagining what
30:40
is underneath those lines on the gray sweatpants and it's, it's fascinating
30:48
how something can be more on show when it's covered than when it's on display.
30:53
It is fun.
30:55
Buck: there's also the reverse of that for the person wearing the thong.
30:58
Again, a lot of people like it as sort of exhibitionist and on the other end of
31:04
the scale sort of humiliation sometimes where, especially where it's a very
31:08
thin, stretchy fabric you can basically see everything through it, which of
31:14
course means it highlights your quote unquote humiliation or exhibitionism.
31:22
Adam: Mm-hmm.
31:23
Sampson: I think that this really kind of dives into the territory
31:25
too, you know, with, with with horror movies, how they always say
31:27
the scariest thing is the unknown.
31:29
So it's what makes something like Jaws or Psycho very scary is because you never
31:33
really see what's actually happening.
31:35
It leaves just enough to your, or Alien does this really well.
31:38
You don't see the full Xenomorph until very far into the movie.
31:41
So it's always this kind of unknown thing.
31:43
And so with a, yeah, look, with the chakra thought it's like.
31:46
Whatever you're imagining is gonna probably be a lot hotter than the
31:50
actual thing, but that's the point.
31:51
That's the point.
31:52
I mean,
31:54
say it.
31:55
Jimmy: Anticipation
31:57
* Sampson: sound effect
31:58
* Hey, we got the bids.
32:01
We got the bids.
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Buck: Sampson, I love that you come with your own soundboard.
32:07
Sampson: I know I have to, I have to.
32:08
I'm, I'm a walking Roger Rabbit character
32:12
Buck: You're not bad.
32:13
You're just drawn that way.
32:15
Sampson: I know if I can have titties as big as Jessica Rabbit,
32:17
I will be very, very, very
32:19
Buck: happy
32:19
I mean, you are on your way.
32:21
Adam: You dunno how hard it is being *around* a man like you.
32:26
Sampson: stop.
32:27
You're just saying that 'cause I'm big.
32:29
Buck: but yeah, it's.
32:32
Sorry.
32:33
Sorry.
32:33
Talking about Sampson's big tits has made me lose my train of thought.
32:39
** Adam: Thongs we are talking about Thongs you wanted to discuss.
32:42
Gender fuckery.
32:51
Buck: Oh, yes, yes.
32:52
Like a lot of thongs have really taken off in the last like three years.
32:58
And again, tied into like himbo stuff and gender exploration
33:02
and just a lot of people.
33:04
Have just gotten over their shit in lockdown, have tried
33:07
exploring stuff and mm-hmm.
33:11
And thongs are a weird thing, like high heels where they were invented for men.
33:16
Sampson: Oh yeah.
33:17
Buck: Actually one of the oldest known forms of underwear in the world, like I
33:21
think it's the Indian subcontinent and as well as Japan of like the fundoshi
33:28
the oldest recorded forms of underwear.
33:29
And they are both thongs.
33:31
And I burst out laughing on the Wikipedia because they said was
33:36
"often worn for ceremonial purposes."
33:40
Adam: Oh yes.
33:41
Ceremony.
33:42
We know what that means.
33:46
Buck: yes.
33:47
It either means we have no idea what this does or this was used for sex.
33:51
Sampson: Yeah.
33:52
, having just come from Japan the fundoshi thing is really big there.
33:55
It's, it's, it was also interesting to see, what, like in a, in a, in a gay
33:59
space they are really like, they're really, really low rise hip briefs
34:04
which I think is very complimentary to like a twink shape, right.
34:08
So like just going through like the underwear shops there
34:10
or whatever, I'm like, damn.
34:11
Like this is all like meshy, spandexy, really, really low rise, like almost
34:16
like full, like almost dick out.
34:18
That's how low rise it is, right?
34:19
Just like a littlest, tiny piece of fabric.
34:23
Buck: again gets back to that whole exhibitionist sort of
34:27
showing off the body thing.
34:29
Sampson: Yeah.
34:31
Buck: And, and of course like.
34:33
We have to go back into the himbo thing because thongs are kind of like the
34:39
signifier, the one single piece of outfit for himbos, maybe next to the croptop
34:46
, Adam: because it is that hypersexualization.
34:51
With the playfulness, with the effortless confidence that we injected
34:57
that straight men want so much.
35:00
It is the yes, I know exactly where my fav favorite.
35:04
bits of my body are, and I'm going to show all of them while keeping you
35:08
just outta reach of a few of them.
35:12
Sampson: Yeah, there's almost like I, I've, I've sometimes
35:14
thought about the, the
35:16
appeal of like obviously himbo originates from bimbo, right?
35:20
And so bimbo being like this very outgoing kind of like classified sometimes, like
35:25
really ex exaggerated beauty standards.
35:27
Like think like Amanda Lepo, or again, Jessica Rabbit.
35:30
She's coming up a lot this episode.
35:32
And so with, with himbos, yeah.
35:34
It's like this, this, this, over.
35:36
Exaggeration, right?
35:37
Like, it, it's almost like an avant-garde level of like, I'm gonna
35:40
take this one thing and just blow it up.
35:42
Like, just really turn up the dial on whatever those, those
35:46
personality aspects are or whatever those those body aspects are.
35:51
Which again, I think is kind of like, yeah, like an inherently
35:53
subversive thing for men.
35:55
Buck: Men are not allowed to be sentual or have fun and exist in
36:02
this bright exhibitionist world.
36:04
Adam: No men are to wear gray.
36:07
It is known.
36:08
Bo Brummel said it two centuries ago, or however many, and
36:12
it has been law ever since.
36:16
Fucking Bo Brummel bring back Dandies, I say.
36:52
Buck: Yes.
36:52
back when pink was a mighty militaristic color.
36:55
Jimmy: not pink its light-ish red
36:58
Buck: but it, does get into this thing like I've always
37:00
said, like himbo is my gender.
37:02
And because it is, I. It is not traditional masculinity, but
37:07
it's also not strictly feminine.
37:09
It's this third thing, which is about expression and sensuality, and
37:15
I still have trouble articulating
37:18
Adam: To me it is play and joy with sexuality and exhibitionism.
37:26
Yes, you can be sexual and exhibitionist and you can do
37:30
that, while being like dull.
37:33
You can do that by wearing a trench coat and nothing else.
37:36
And
37:36
flashing people.
37:38
That's not fun.
37:40
That's not playful, that's not joyous.
37:43
But with Himbo, that's the whole point.
37:45
It's colors, it's patterns, it's.
37:48
Being friendly and flirty at the same time as knowing that you
37:53
are hyper sexualizing yourself.
37:56
and you're doing it because you want to, and because you want to bring
38:01
that joy to the people around you.
38:03
It is honestly kind of puppy coded.
38:07
And yeah, if you add in the joy and the play to the, sexuality and
38:12
the sensuality, then you do start getting a lot closer to Himbo.
38:39
Buck: And talking of play with thongs, one thing that.
38:43
I love and it's this image like the thong over the butt plug that keeps coming up.
38:48
A guy fucking where the bottom's in the thong and they just
38:52
pull the strap to one side.
38:53
Jimmy: It can be hot.
38:54
Buck: That image is top tier.
38:56
Adam: Yes, it is the sensation afterwards as well when you
39:01
are well used and well lubed.
39:05
And once again, that strap just slides into place and it doesn't
39:09
like staying put and you just get reminded the whole rest of the night.
39:15
Oh, fuck, right there.
39:17
Yes.
39:24
I do not think I am alone in this experience,
39:46
Buck: yeah,
39:49
any other thoughts on thong before we throw up into all
39:53
other kinds of underwear?
39:54
I.
39:56
Adam: Dance belt.
39:57
Buck: Yes.
39:59
So do you want to explain to the audience what a dance belt is?
40:04
Adam: Sure.
40:04
So a dance belt is stolen from the ballet world.
40:09
It is typically either a pair of briefs if you are boring or a thong.
40:14
If you have fun.
40:15
a.
40:16
And the front is heavily padded.
40:18
to eradicate the VPL and provide just a smooth bulge over your crut.
40:26
This is very necessary for ballet dancers who are AAP because
40:32
you need to be able to show off absolutely everything in your ballet
40:37
tights without scandalizing the rich elderly people who
40:42
are funding your ballet house.
40:45
So this in turn leads
40:51
also superhero cosplay.
40:53
Also, basically anyone who's in spandex in public and doesn't want to run
40:59
afoul of straight people's lack of.
41:02
In straight people's, just intolerance of the idea that penises exist.
41:10
So this then leads heavily into anything.
41:14
skin tight because it means you can be fully on display without being on display,
41:21
and it leads into the chastity fetish by having everything still there, just like.
41:28
Tucked away, hidden away.
41:29
That is not the focus of this outfit, and because of course it
41:34
did, it really helps you explore.
41:36
nulls if that's what you want to try on for the evening.
42:17
Buck: Oh yeah, it's a great way to play with
42:21
you sent me a pair and that was a very interesting day, putting them 'cause
42:27
they, not only is it nulo, they also act as quite good chastity because the
42:32
way they've smoothed you out is there's a thick layer of foam on the big pouch.
42:36
Which covers pretty much all, not just like your groin,
42:39
but all of, what's it called?
42:43
The Poche.
42:45
Oh God.
42:46
What is it called?
42:46
The bit of flesh above your,
42:48
Jimmy: "Fupa"
42:49
Buck: fupa, thank you.
42:51
I'm pretty sure that's not the actual medical term for it, but Yeah.
42:54
But
42:54
Sampson: I think it is, and if it's not, it should be.
42:57
Buck: It's like I discovered gonads.
42:59
I thought gonads was a slang term.
43:00
No, it's an actual medical term for the glands,
43:06
but yeah, it literally, because the foam is thick enough, it
43:09
basically deadens all sensation.
43:12
Sampson: Yeah, no, I've never worn a dance belt before, but I have seen,
43:15
I have seen a lot of really gorgeous ballet boys that really like them, or
43:20
like, that's like a gateway drug for them, essentially to be like, Hmm,
43:24
wait, why do I, why do I like this?
43:26
Why do I like the way this makes me feel?
43:27
Buck: Oh Yeah.
43:28
A lot of people have And again, like silk and lingerie can be
43:32
a gateway for that as well.
43:34
I know something that's actually really gaining popularity is pantyhose,
43:41
like the sheer thing.
43:42
I know a lot of guys are starting to experiment
43:45
Sampson: Interesting.
43:46
Buck: Hmm.
43:48
which again, it's like, it's that very Lycra thing of like really
43:51
tight and stretch against your body, but it's also like, because
43:55
it is so thin and so see-through it also hugs the skin and shows it off
44:01
under pressure, if that makes sense.
44:03
Sampson: Yep.
44:03
Yeah.
44:05
Well, it's like putting like a, it's if you were in the Photoshop world, right?
44:08
It's like taking a photo of someone and then just adding like a 3% blur over
44:12
their skin, and so it covers every pore and kind of blends it into one uniform.
44:17
Really beautiful color that highlights the way that light hits you very well.
44:22
So it kind of highlights every contour.
44:24
Yeah.
44:24
There's a reason that pantyhose were, you know, a very, very big thing.
44:27
We've kind of gotten away from that, but in, in a culture where women were
44:30
often wearing a lot more dresses, skirts, things that were showing off
44:34
a much more sexualized part of their body, which was their legs, which is not
44:37
really something that we experienced as much in the modern world as much as we
44:40
did in the forties, fifties, sixties.
44:43
Buck: although on a slightly related subject, so the other day I was
44:47
wearing like my thigh high cow print along with my cow print singlet and
44:52
there's just that band of skin between the two, and I was informed that
44:57
there's actually a name in Japan for that, which is the absolute zone.
45:03
Sampson: Huh.
45:03
Buck: Roughly translated, which again, is that sort of normally
45:07
on women, it's the space between the skirt and the tall socks, but
45:10
obviously for me it was the singlet.
45:13
But it is like that, just that one small band of flesh escaping
45:17
between all the material.
45:19
Sampson: That's
45:20
interesting to me.
45:21
I've never heard that before.
45:22
But I will say, yeah, like the, the.
45:25
Dedication to that kind of, it's, it's almost like it's a syhimbol of
45:28
like innocence or it's a syhimbol of like, playfulness, right?
45:31
I think especially in, in, in the Japanese culture because it is associated
45:35
so much with like this, this school girl kind of innocent, outgoing,
45:39
like it's, it's a very, you know, sexualized desirable, maybe desirable
45:43
is a better word.Desirable thing.
45:45
So I like the absolute zone.
45:47
Buck: Yeah.
45:48
and now like anytime I use that getup or a similar one, I'm like, oh yes.
45:52
Got to make sure the absolute zone is perfect
45:55
So we're coming up to an hour, so I think this is time.
45:58
Any last final thoughts from Mm-hmm.
46:01
Adam: I will encourage anyone who enjoys playing around with their underwear to
46:07
also look into singlets for significantly more coverage, but also that like.
46:13
I. Sexy thing that you can hide under your clothes and body suits and leotards
46:21
for the same feeling as a thong of it just rubbing against you, but by
46:26
anchoring it over your upper body.
46:29
and having it like showing off your upper body as well because
46:34
it tends to be skin tight.
46:36
You get both like a very sexy shirt.
46:40
That is also holding things right up against every sensitive bit of your
46:45
body, and it is a very fun experience.
46:49
Give it a try.
48:24
Sampson: Yeah, I think that would just be my only advice to be like, yeah, like
48:26
underwear is one of those fun things.
48:28
It can be just for you.
48:29
And it's a great, I think everyone deserves to experience their
48:32
own sexuality for themselves.
48:34
I think it's one of the unique things about the human experience
48:36
that we really get to celebrate.
48:37
And so if, you know, if you're curious or even if you're not,
48:41
like, I think it's just kind of a fun thing to have a little inside
48:43
joke with yourself or try something.
48:45
And even if you look in the mirror and you just laugh your ass off at
48:48
yourself, I think that's a really
48:50
Buck: Yeah, experiment.
48:52
See what works for you.
48:53
There's a million different options out there, and if you've tried one once and
48:58
thought, oh God, I can't pull this off.
49:00
This doesn't look good on me.
49:01
Try a different design like I. Underwear isn't just about clothing.
49:08
It, if there's one through theme from this episode, you can take
49:12
away it's underwear is a way to be expressive and fun and sensual.
49:18
And again, you, like Samsung just said, you can explore it in the privacy
49:23
of your own body and it's amazing.
49:27
So go out there and explore and sample everything So yes.
49:32
Thank you guys so much for joining us.
49:35
I will put all your contact information in the show notes and
49:39
yes, as always listeners play safe