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What sources say about Trump's last-minute rally cancellations · INSIGHT TODAY

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  Speaker 1: There is that surprising schedule change from the White House tonight,
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  Speaker 1: with just five days to go until the midterm elections
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  Speaker 1: next Tuesday. The president is canceling his final two scheduled
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  Speaker 1: rallies for this cycle, leaving just one more in Florida
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  Speaker 1: tomorrow on his schedule. Now, of course, few politicians have
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  Speaker 1: logged more miles than this president. Today, he actually held
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  Speaker 1: his 25th rally this month, that one in South Carolina
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  Speaker 1: for Republican Senator Darlene Graham. But in the closing days
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  Speaker 1: of this campaign and hours and minutes of an election
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  Speaker 1: that is going to have a major impact on the
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  Speaker 1: rest of his presidency, it's notable that Trump is scrapping
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  Speaker 1: rallies that he had planned in Iowa and in Kansas.
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  Speaker 1: Those are both traditionally red states where Republicans are right
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  Speaker 1: now fighting Democrats to hang on to their seats. And
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  Speaker 1: the White House now says instead the president is going
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  Speaker 1: to hold tele-rallies to stretch his message even further to
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  Speaker 1: a bigger audience. But it may have been the president's
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  Speaker 1: answer that was the most revealing about what's going on
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  Speaker 1: when he was asked why he's adjusting his schedule.
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  Speaker 2: You not going to Kansas has nothing to do with
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  Speaker 2: you being sick and traveling?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, you're sick, you ass-necked one. You are sick. Who
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  Speaker 3: are you with?
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  Speaker 2: I'm with Reuters, sir.
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  Speaker 3: You are a sick guy.
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  Speaker 4: Reuters is terrible, by the way.
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  Speaker 5: Well, we just want to make.
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  Speaker 6: Sure you're doing well.
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  Speaker 2: Look at this guy.
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  Speaker 3: He's way out of shape. Look at how badly... He
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  Speaker 3: comes to me. Sir, you're not going to go to Kansas.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to Kansas because he's doing very well.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to do a tell-around.
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  Speaker 3: Tomorrow I'm doing Florida.
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  Speaker 2: He said, what's the reason?
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  Speaker 3: After doing, what, 28... He says, what's the reason for this, sir,
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  Speaker 3: that you're not going to Kansas? You know what the
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  Speaker 3: reason is? I don't feel I have to go to Kansas.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to Florida tomorrow, and I'll do if something
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  Speaker 3: else comes up. But he said, you're not going to Kansas, sir.
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  Speaker 3: Are you feeling well?
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  Speaker 7: You've been following me.
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  Speaker 3: For two weeks.
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  Speaker 8: I feel perfect.
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  Speaker 3: You are disgusting. Put yourself in shape.
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  Speaker 2: You look like hell.
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  Speaker 1: Now, that reporter from Reuters, Jacob Bogage, asked a straightforward
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  Speaker 1: question about the president's schedule. He got an irritated answer,
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  Speaker 1: as you heard there, especially given it's the president himself
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  Speaker 1: who has touted his own ability to maintain a busy schedule.
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  Speaker 3: So the one thing I can say is that no
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  Speaker 3: president has ever worked so hard On a midterm. Nobody's
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  Speaker 3: ever campaigned like I have for midterms. I haven't. I've
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  Speaker 3: been doing this stuff for a week and a half,
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  Speaker 3: two weeks. I did more rallies than I've ever done
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  Speaker 3: for myself. You know, I've done 26 of them now.
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  Speaker 9: I have worked very hard.
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  Speaker 3: I've done 14 rallies in nine days.
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  Speaker 9: And that's a lot.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to Georgia. But it's a strain on your voice.
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  Speaker 2: It's a strain.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's not normal.
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  Speaker 9: I'm doing something different.
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  Speaker 8: I'm working like a dog.
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  Speaker 1: Now, there's another reason why canceling these final two rallies
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  Speaker 1: of the 2026 midterms stands out to those of us
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  Speaker 1: who have covered Trump for years. If you'll remember, during
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  Speaker 1: the final 72 hours before the 2018 midterms, President Trump
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  Speaker 1: held seven rallies. in Montana, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Ohio, Indiana,
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  Speaker 1: and Missouri. He told his team then he wanted to
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  Speaker 1: be on the road as much as possible, especially in
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  Speaker 1: those final few days as voters were casting their ballots. Tonight,
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  Speaker 1: sources say, though, that some Republican officials are relieved by
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  Speaker 1: the president's decision to cancel those final two rallies. One
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  Speaker 1: top Republican official told my colleague Jeff Zeleny, quote,' Thank
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  Speaker 1: God he hasn't moved the needle anywhere.' and a second
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  Speaker 1: official saying, quote, everyone who has seen the president who
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  Speaker 1: wants to see him. In the meantime, in Kansas, Senator
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  Speaker 1: Roger Marshall, where, of course, the president was expected to
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  Speaker 1: go and rally on his behalf, offered this reaction to
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  Speaker 1: the news that the president is no longer coming.
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  Speaker 10: Senator, any reaction to the president canceling the in-person rally
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  Speaker 10: this weekend?
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure yet.
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  Speaker 8: I think they think that by doing so well in
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  Speaker 8: the polls that he's got probably got better places to
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  Speaker 8: spend his time. I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 1: Now, we don't have insight into the senators polling, but
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  Speaker 1: a brand new CNN poll actually found that Senator Roger
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  Speaker 1: Marshall's race is still very close. Actually, as you can
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  Speaker 1: see here, it's within the margin of error. If there's
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  Speaker 1: been a surge in his numbers, we have not seen
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  Speaker 1: it materialize yet in the polling. And there's a similar
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  Speaker 1: story playing out in Iowa, where CNN's latest poll of
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  Speaker 1: polls shows a one point race. Now, both of these contests,
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  Speaker 1: as it stands tonight, could go either way. That's the
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  Speaker 1: exact kind of toss-up races that the president has said
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  Speaker 1: are best dealt with him showing up in person.
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  Speaker 3: But the rallies are very well attended, and I think
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  Speaker 3: we've changed the whole, you know, we've done a lot
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  Speaker 3: of them over the last week and a half, a lot.
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  Speaker 3: I think we've really turned it around, and I think
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  Speaker 3: the rallies have turned it, frankly. But I think the
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  Speaker 3: rallies have really, these rallies have energized, they've really energized.
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  Speaker 5: The Republican Party.
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  Speaker 3: And, you know, we're doing so well. It's just raised
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  Speaker 3: him to a level that, you know, nobody can believe, Larry.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just amazing. He went up 14 points
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  Speaker 3: or something. And that was my rally. As an example,
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  Speaker 3: we're up in Texas.
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  Speaker 7: We weren't.
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  Speaker 2: We're up in Alaska.
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  Speaker 6: We weren't.
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  Speaker 3: We're up, everybody, every place that I've gone to, we're up.
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  Speaker 5: Our tele-rally is somehow, like, A better option for President Trump,
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  Speaker 5: knowing his style and what he would say is his
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  Speaker 5: strong suit?
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  Speaker 6: Listen, he's done teller rallies for a very long time now.
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  Speaker 6: Remember in 2016, we've done plenty of teller rallies. I
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  Speaker 6: think his point is, is he's trying to hit more
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  Speaker 6: in the short amount of window. I mean, that's the
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  Speaker 6: argument they're trying to make. And there is feeling among
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  Speaker 6: at least the Republicans, maybe Chris will tell us differently,
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  Speaker 6: that Kansas is stabilized. So they're reassessing the plans. They
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  Speaker 6: feel Kansas isn't as necessary.
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  Speaker 2: But tele-rallies is.
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  Speaker 6: A very effective way of hitting a much broader audience
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  Speaker 6: in a faster amount of time.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know. I hear tele-rally. I think Zoom. Is
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  Speaker 5: that effective?
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  Speaker 10: I think the bigger question is to what extent does
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  Speaker 10: having Donald Trump making news in your local market help
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  Speaker 10: or hurt? And the reality is, on the one hand,
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  Speaker 10: Donald Trump's job approval is not great. Right now, there's
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  Speaker 10: very little polling I can find that would have any
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  Speaker 10: good news for what people think about the Trump brand.
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  Speaker 11: On the other hand.
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  Speaker 10: partisanship matters. And in really red states, Donald Trump won
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  Speaker 10: by double digits. And look, I don't think that these
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  Speaker 10: Republican candidates in these states are necessarily going to win
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  Speaker 10: by double digits. But that's the tradeoff that they're trying
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  Speaker 10: to weigh right now. Is a president who is unpopular
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  Speaker 10: on average across the country, is it possible for him
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  Speaker 10: to still somehow be a net benefit across a variety
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  Speaker 10: of red states? I think it's a very open question
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  Speaker 10: how strong a force partisanship is. And the red state
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  Speaker 10: nature of some of these places will wind up being
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  Speaker 10: in the midterm.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, the truth is the president still has an
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  Speaker 11: upside down approval in these red states. He has an
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  Speaker 11: upside down approval in Texas, Iowa, Kansas. And, you know,
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  Speaker 11: I think we can all kind of sugarcoat this, but
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  Speaker 11: the truth is it's not a good headline for anyone
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  Speaker 11: to have rallies canceled. That sounds like a deflating balloon
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  Speaker 11: on a campaign. And so I think the truth is
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  Speaker 11: that the president is probably hurting a lot of these
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  Speaker 11: candidates and people recognize that. And perhaps he doesn't want
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  Speaker 11: to be seen with people who are about to lose.
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  Speaker 11: I think a really telling fact over the last several
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  Speaker 11: weeks is places he's gone, he hasn't actually juiced Republican turnout.
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  Speaker 11: He's been to Texas many times. They still are lagging
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  Speaker 11: considerably in Republican and rural counties. And so I think
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  Speaker 11: the fact of the matter is that And the world
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  Speaker 11: and maybe the White House is finally recognizing that Donald
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  Speaker 11: Trump is hurting Republicans more than helping them. He's probably
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  Speaker 11: juicing Democratic turnout in these states that he's going to.
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  Speaker 4: The best person to push Republicans to vote is the president.
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  Speaker 4: And he does that when he is live and in
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  Speaker 4: person and we're in an attention economy. The clips of him,
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  Speaker 4: whether he's saying ridiculous things or not, go far and wide.
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  Speaker 4: So I wonder the strategy of this, of what feels
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  Speaker 4: like a Zoom meeting. Look, we've all done Zoom meetings
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  Speaker 4: at home. We're a little bit more distracted than when
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  Speaker 4: we are in person. And the base that he needs
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  Speaker 4: that comes out to these rallies also are motivated and
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  Speaker 4: they go tell their friends and neighbors and then they
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  Speaker 4: door knock because that's also what you need. You need
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  Speaker 4: people within the community knocking on doors, canvassing, doing those
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  Speaker 4: phone calls. And I really think that his advisors and
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  Speaker 4: his administration is really robbing him of that base that
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  Speaker 4: he does so well with.
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  Speaker 5: Let's talk about that base because we are As you know,
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  Speaker 5: five days out, there's new CNN polling that shows that
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  Speaker 5: Democrats are leading in key Senate races. Republicans, though, consistently
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  Speaker 5: argue these polls undercount the president's true base of support.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you're in the trenches, Kristen. You're looking at
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  Speaker 5: these issues all the time. I mean, talk to voters.
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  Speaker 5: Do these polls reflect what you're actually seeing and hearing?
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  Speaker 10: So what my polls are showing is only a slightly
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  Speaker 10: better environment for Republicans nationally, but still not a good one.
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  Speaker 10: It's still predicting a very poor election night coming up.
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  Speaker 10: I think the big question, and this is one that
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  Speaker 10: pollsters can't answer ahead of time, much as people want
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  Speaker 10: us to, is in elections when Donald Trump is on
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  Speaker 10: the ballot, there is a type of voter who turns
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  Speaker 10: out the pollsters find very difficult to poll. But in
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  Speaker 10: the midterms, those voters typically stay home. And their absence
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  Speaker 10: in polls is not as big a deal because they're
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  Speaker 10: also absent at the ballot box. So the question is,
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  Speaker 10: does that continue this time around? Those polls may be missing.
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  Speaker 10: a slice of the Trump base, but it may be
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  Speaker 10: the exact same slice of the Trump base that isn't
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  Speaker 10: planning to participate in the midterm anyways. And that's the
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  Speaker 10: unknowable question that is going to determine are the polls
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  Speaker 10: right or is there some kind of polling error that
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  Speaker 10: misses by undercounting Republicans? But bear in mind, polling error
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  Speaker 10: can go both ways. And there have been instances within
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  Speaker 10: the last calendar year. of polls in states like Virginia saying,
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  Speaker 10: you know, we think Abigail Spanberger's going to win, but
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  Speaker 10: we're not so sure about the AG's race. And in
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  Speaker 10: the end, Democrats overperformed in those polls. So polling error
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  Speaker 10: can happen, and you can't necessarily predict ahead of time
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  Speaker 10: exactly what way it's going to go.
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  Speaker 5: So when you think about that strategically, I mean, you
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  Speaker 5: don't want to be overconfident, but you also don't want
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  Speaker 5: to be canceling rallies, maybe reflecting defeat. So how do
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  Speaker 5: you play that?
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  Speaker 6: I mean, listen, I've always told candidates from the beginning,
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  Speaker 6: you're either running hard or you're running scared. And each
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  Speaker 6: individual campaign has to do that. And this administration has
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  Speaker 6: spent a lot of money because they made a decision
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  Speaker 6: to run hard. Certainly President Trump has done more rallies
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  Speaker 6: than anybody else in this election cycle.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he was very offended by the question about feeling well.
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  Speaker 8: Because it was a silly, it was. It was a
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  Speaker 8: silly question.
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  Speaker 5: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 4: Move forward.
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  Speaker 5: Pass forward.
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  Speaker 10: Next.
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  Speaker 6: Here nor there. But I think the point is, is
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  Speaker 6: with Trump, when he's out there, you know, he has
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  Speaker 6: an impact. I think they are missing that window. But
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  Speaker 6: as you get close to the end, there's only so
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  Speaker 6: much time left that you can invest this time into.
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  Speaker 5: Democrats can't risk being overconfident and having pie in their.
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  Speaker 11: Face, though. Have you met Democrats? I feel like ever overconfident.
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  Speaker 11: It's like basically even in a pretty good environment, people
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  Speaker 11: are still very, very anxious.
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  Speaker 4: I think.
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  Speaker 11: I think most Democrats recognize the consequences of this election.
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  Speaker 11: And what I'm really surprised by is you're seeing in
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  Speaker 11: the early voting in states, and, you know, you can't
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  Speaker 11: really tell that much in many states, but in some
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  Speaker 11: states like Texas and Nevada and Georgia, there will be
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  Speaker 11: a strong majority of people who vote early. And what
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  Speaker 11: we're seeing is that not only are Democrats coming out
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  Speaker 11: more than Republicans, but in a reverse from some of
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  Speaker 11: the general elections we've had in the past, It's more
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  Speaker 11: the people who are coming out to vote for Democrats
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  Speaker 11: are people who haven't voted before, who are occasional voters.
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  Speaker 11: And they're mostly younger. A lot of them are Latino
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  Speaker 11: in states like Texas and Nevada. So I think we
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  Speaker 11: are actually seeing this election, this midterm, energizing newer voters.
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  Speaker 11: And they're in this election coming into the Democratic Party.
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  Speaker 5: Evaluate whether you think that some of the low propensity
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  Speaker 5: or low turnout that might be possible is a reflection
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  Speaker 5: of the quality of candidates.
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  Speaker 4: I wanted us to get to that. I think that
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  Speaker 4: Trump also doesn't want to stand next to losers. And
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  Speaker 4: a lot of the picks for the Republicans across some states,
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  Speaker 4: not all of them, feel like losers. Michael Watley, when
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  Speaker 4: put next to Roy Cooper, is lacking. Mike Collins, next
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  Speaker 4: to the John Ossoff, the rising, budding superstar of the
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  Speaker 4: Democratic Party, falls flat. Trump, at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 4: is a New York City guy that came from reality TV,
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  Speaker 4: and he knows when the production doesn't cut it. So
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  Speaker 4: it makes sense to me that for some of these,
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  Speaker 4: like a Ken Paxton that fall flat right next to him,
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  Speaker 4: he doesn't feel like he's getting an ROI on flying
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  Speaker 4: Air Force.
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  Speaker 5: One over there.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, Ken Paxton, it's like he insults Ken Paxton.
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  Speaker 11: It's not even like Democrats insult Ken Paxton. He attacks
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  Speaker 11: his looks, his personality. I mean, it's like almost not
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  Speaker 11: really an endorsement to be with him.
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  Speaker 9: Just showing the polling for likely voters right now in Kansas,
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  Speaker 9: for example, no clear leader.
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  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 9: It's still a red state. Everyone in any other year
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  Speaker 9: would be expecting a Republican to win this, and he
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  Speaker 9: very well could. But what do you make of bailing
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  Speaker 9: at the last minute? I wonder who made the call, honestly.
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  Speaker 7: If I were running in Kansas, if I were running
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  Speaker 7: in Iowa, I would not want President Trump's help right now.
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  Speaker 8: Unless you're running as a Democrat.
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  Speaker 7: Unless I'm running as a Democrat, and then.
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  Speaker 5: It's all good.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, we've been watching these rallies. It's like asking
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  Speaker 7: your grandpa to come help you out at Thanksgiving. Like
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  Speaker 7: it doesn't sound what is going on at these rallies
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  Speaker 7: sounds bizarre. And every day there's a new bizarre headline,
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  Speaker 7: a new bizarre clip, a new bizarre thing that the
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  Speaker 7: president has said. And in a close race, I think
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  Speaker 7: what you want to do is avoid that kind of.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's interesting. CNN spoke with the chairwoman of the
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  Speaker 9: Kansas Republican Party about this switch up, and she says
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  Speaker 9: it would have energized the base in a close race.
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  Speaker 9: And she also was like, yo, we told you so. No,
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  Speaker 9: she didn't say it that way. She said earlier this year,
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  Speaker 9: Herbert had urged the RNC to take the Kansas Senate
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  Speaker 9: race seriously. People laughed in my face, she said. Who's
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  Speaker 9: laughing now?
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  Speaker 8: I mean, this is this is like almost every state
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  Speaker 8: party chair's dream is to be able to say on
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  Speaker 8: National TV, you should have paid attention to us more.
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  Speaker 8: But their dream.
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  Speaker 1: Is to win.
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  Speaker 9: Well, that's nobody wants to be the Cassandra of the party.
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  Speaker 9: That's not that fun.
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  Speaker 8: But look, I do wonder, actually, if exhaustion is a
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  Speaker 8: part of this, because I was in North Carolina last
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  Speaker 8: week seeing Donald Trump. He seemed tired. He seemed exhausted.
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  Speaker 8: And he was talking about on stage how much traveling
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  Speaker 8: he was doing.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, he's talked a lot about how much he's working.
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  Speaker 8: I think we should pay attention to that schedule. And
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  Speaker 8: it has been kind of breakneck for a man who
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  Speaker 8: is 80 years old.
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  Speaker 2: I have a slightly different theory, maybe. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 2: just a hypothesis, really. Not even a theory because you
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  Speaker 2: can't test it. But I feel like there are a lot.
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  Speaker 2: If you look at the polls, especially in the last
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  Speaker 2: couple of days, I know CNN had a poll yesterday
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  Speaker 2: showing a lot of movement for the Dems. I think
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of late deciders who are starting to move.
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  Speaker 2: They're getting internal results in their campaigns, and they don't
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  Speaker 2: know where the bottom's going to drop out in a
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  Speaker 2: lot of places. So rather than assigning him to go
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  Speaker 2: to Kansas or some other place of an important locale,
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  Speaker 2: they're actually just trying to spray the block because people
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  Speaker 2: are moving all of a sudden late now.
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  Speaker 8: That's not a bad theory. And I do wonder what the...
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I saw Trump last week. I saw Vance
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  Speaker 8: a couple of times this week. You know, going into
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  Speaker 8: these states, I do wonder how much effect it really has.
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  Speaker 8: The effect of, like, local news coverage, for instance, which
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  Speaker 8: is always the argument, right? Oh, you'll get a lot
• 15:44
  Speaker 8: of coverage on local TV and local newspapers. It's just
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  Speaker 8: not how people get information anymore. You're rallying up your base.
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  Speaker 8: You know, the marginal utility of going out there.
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  Speaker 9: But it's like a free commercial every week, right? No,
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  Speaker 9: you're giving me doubts. Okay, I understand it.