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Justin Turner to Chicago, Vladdy Jr. say NO DEAL, Devers/Cora turf talks, D'Backs/Perdomo extension · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Ales Bregman signed here, what was told to him when
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  Speaker 1: he signed here? Here's a brinkch truck of cash, come
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  Speaker 1: and play for the socks. Oh, they definitely talked about this.
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  Speaker 1: Don't hear you, Scott, can't hear you, Scott, way to go.
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  Speaker 2: I'm here, I'm here, he's here.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: That was my own doing. If you missed yesterday's episode,
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to play the music out a little longer.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. I wasn't talking. I just wanted to play
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  Speaker 2: the music out. If you missed yesterday's episode, it's one
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  Speaker 2: that I recommend you listen back to or at least
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  Speaker 2: double click on the Scott Bors conversation at some point
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  Speaker 2: that was great. And you know, later on I listened
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  Speaker 2: to our resident GM, Jim Bowden, talking about bores and
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  Speaker 2: the corporations work this off season and get out of here, Mike,
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  Speaker 2: and how they take five percent flat fee of a
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  Speaker 2: player contract they earn it. How much money do you
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  Speaker 2: think that they've totaled so far this offseason in revenue?
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  Speaker 1: Well, first of all, you can negotiate that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you can negotiate that right, you.
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  Speaker 2: Can negotiate that weight. But I'm pretty sure they're just
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  Speaker 2: a standard. Hey, we feel like we're going to dominate.
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  Speaker 2: This is what it is like. I have a I
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  Speaker 2: know a few famous a few friends that have famous
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  Speaker 2: music artists, and they've come back to them being like,
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  Speaker 2: I'll do it for this, and they're like, we won't.
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  Speaker 1: The way I've heard it. The way I've heard it
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  Speaker 1: is you you're worth X amount. Some agents will come
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  Speaker 1: to you and say, we agree you're worth Let's say
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  Speaker 1: it's one hundred million dollars. Anything over one hundred, anything
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  Speaker 1: under one hundred, we'll do it for four percent, four
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  Speaker 1: percent fee. Anything over one hundred, we'll do it for
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  Speaker 1: a six percent fee. I think it's fair. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: look at David Robertson. He doesn't pay anybody because he's cheap.
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  Speaker 1: But a player can represent himself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't go well usually David Robertson is one
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  Speaker 2: of a kind. Anyway, all I was trying to do
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  Speaker 2: is say they've made ninety five mil this offseason. That's
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  Speaker 2: a lot for the company.
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  Speaker 1: Good Boris has a big Boris has a big company. Though,
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  Speaker 1: let's not yes, for one hundred.
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  Speaker 2: And fifty employees. I think I think it's one hundred
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  Speaker 2: and fifty.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, plus, he runs a training program, he
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  Speaker 1: has fields. I mean, he has a whole He has
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  Speaker 1: a whole thing. So ninety five million, although it sounds great,
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  Speaker 1: he's got to pay a lot of people he does.
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  Speaker 2: It's good. We like business. In the topic of business,
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  Speaker 2: let's charge the damn mand we have a signing. Justin
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  Speaker 2: Turner still going strong, one year, six million bucks. He
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  Speaker 2: is a Chicago Cub. Him and I think his wife
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  Speaker 2: are from Indiana, and so this is cool for them.
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  Speaker 2: Indiana loves Chicago baseball, little cubs, a lot of Cubs,
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  Speaker 2: especially because well, no, I was gonna say, I thought
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  Speaker 2: they have a minor league team, but I think that's
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  Speaker 2: Iowa anyway. So I saw some reports first third, d H,
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  Speaker 2: what's what's just just roll with it.
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  Speaker 1: What are you talking about? What do you they have
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  Speaker 1: a minor league team? What do you What on earth
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  Speaker 1: are you talking?
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  Speaker 2: Iowa does Iowa Cubs? I got confused for a moment. Sorry,
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  Speaker 2: I corrected myself. Oh my gosh, you guys are so harsh.
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  Speaker 2: We talked for two hours every day. Am I allowed
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  Speaker 2: to say in their bear Scott, thank you Aaron.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you've already got you already got two today.
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  Speaker 1: So that was three. So now we're on three today.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna keep track of everyone's mess ups. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: here's a mess up. I don't think Justin Turner is
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  Speaker 2: really the backup option to Matt Shaw. I saw a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of that. I'm like, is he he's not
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  Speaker 2: really playing third anymore? Still a really productive season. I
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  Speaker 2: think he was close to twenty percent of the league
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  Speaker 2: average last year, AJ getting on base about thirty five
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  Speaker 2: percent of the time. He can still swing it in
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  Speaker 2: the league. Not as much pop as he used to have.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't want him at third base too much
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  Speaker 2: at forty years old, do you.
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  Speaker 1: No, he's not gonna play third base. This is a
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  Speaker 1: veteran guy, first base, third base when he needs to,
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  Speaker 1: DH when he needs to. And by the way, for
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  Speaker 1: all the people out there that say you can't hit
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  Speaker 1: in Seattle, his numbers actually got better. He went from
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  Speaker 1: Toronto to Seattle and his numbers got better. So take
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  Speaker 1: that all your Seattle haters of the ballpark and the
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  Speaker 1: batter's eye. But yeah, I mean, this is a good
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  Speaker 1: signing for the Cubs. He's a good guy in the room.
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  Speaker 1: He's a good established guy that can show Matt Shaw
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  Speaker 1: and who and whoever else the way to go play
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  Speaker 1: baseball the right way. And I love the sonning he's
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  Speaker 1: from there. His his wife seemed to want to go there.
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  Speaker 1: So good for Justin Turner and he got what six
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  Speaker 1: million plus two and a half incentives. It's pretty good
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  Speaker 1: for being forty years old. Keep that value, figure out
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  Speaker 1: what he does best, how to keep him on the
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  Speaker 1: field for however many at bats that is. Is he
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  Speaker 1: going to get three hundred and fifty at bats probably
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  Speaker 1: if the Cubs, if everything goes right for the Cubs. No,
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  Speaker 1: if he gets two hundred and fifty at bats. To me,
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  Speaker 1: the Cubs are doing some stuff because he's still put
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  Speaker 1: up twenty eight percent above league average OPS plus last year.
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  Speaker 1: It's just a matter of not overexposing him because he's
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  Speaker 1: a veteran, but not wearing them out, making sure you're
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  Speaker 1: getting the most value out of him. And I think Seattle,
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  Speaker 1: as much as they didn't do a lot of great
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  Speaker 1: stuff offensively, he was a shining He was a bright
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  Speaker 1: light for them when he was on the field.
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  Speaker 1: I have to ask this, Scott, why do you keep
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  Speaker 1: saying Justin Turners from Indiana, He's from LA He's from
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  Speaker 1: Long beach. Why do you keep saying he's from Indiana.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why.
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  Speaker 2: There was something in the notes. Oh it's Courtney, his wife.
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  Speaker 2: Courtney's from Indiana. So sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, he's from LA. He's got the
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  Speaker 1: La cool with the beard and the hair and the
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  Speaker 1: whole deal. And that's why he was great on the Dodgers.
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  Speaker 1: So you go where your wife wants you to play.
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  Speaker 1: So and all lives love the shop in Chicago.
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  Speaker 2: And he's done a cool tour in his career La Toronto, Seattle,
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  Speaker 2: New York, New York, Chicago. That's pretty cool. I'll give
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  Speaker 2: it them all. Where does this put the Cubs a
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  Speaker 2: j They went for Bragman four years, one twenty. They
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  Speaker 2: didn't win on guaranteed dollars, they didn't went on years,
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  Speaker 2: they didn't went on really any part there. So they
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  Speaker 2: finished in I think third or fourth as far as
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  Speaker 2: the offer. But where do you put Justin Turner with
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  Speaker 2: this offense? Definitely had some depth, right little. I guess
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  Speaker 2: Michael Lush insurance.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't have a ton of pop anymore. I mean
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  Speaker 1: he still gets on base, he still give you a
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  Speaker 1: grade at bat. He doesn't have the Poppy used to have,
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  Speaker 1: you know, ten years ago. None of us do. But
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a nice signing. I think, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: it's good in the room. It's good for the the
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  Speaker 1: young guys to learn from a guy like Justin Turner
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  Speaker 1: or a Clemente Award winner. And I like this signing.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if it moves the needle that much.
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  Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people will say they probably
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  Speaker 1: should win the division anyways, but I think it definitely
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  Speaker 1: helps him for this year and maybe helping guys down
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  Speaker 1: the line. I don't think it. I don't think it
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  Speaker 1: hurts them. And I think sometimes when you add guys
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  Speaker 1: that are older, people are like, oh no, now he's
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  Speaker 1: gonna take so and So's a bad away for the Cubs.
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  Speaker 1: He's gonna take at bats away from Matt Shaw. I
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  Speaker 1: don't see that. Oh they're gonna platoon Shaw. I don't
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  Speaker 1: see that either. Like a young guy comes up, I hope,
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  Speaker 1: I hope. I know other organizations do it, But when
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  Speaker 1: you call a young guy up, go, you're playing one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and sixty two. If we play one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: sixty three, you're playing that one too. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: this signing inhibits that. I think it just adds to
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  Speaker 1: the depth, so it has to be a positive ad
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  Speaker 1: Is it huge? Is it really blipping the radar? Now?
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  Speaker 1: I agree with AJ, it's not really blipping the radar,
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  Speaker 1: but it's a positive sign.
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  Speaker 2: I think this is more Michael Bush insurance than Matt
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  Speaker 2: Seawan insurance. I mean, in case there's an injury, in
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  Speaker 2: case he starts out cold. They actually had pretty similar
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  Speaker 2: overall production. Right They were both in the fifteen to
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  Speaker 2: twenty percent range above league average as a bat ballpark
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  Speaker 2: adjusted and league adjusted turner is the better on base guy.
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  Speaker 2: Bush has more power and really of course more of
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  Speaker 2: a ceiling. He's still pretty young, but I think that works.
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  Speaker 2: That helps for Chicago. I mean their offense was actually
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  Speaker 2: not that bad. At their offense, I think when I
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  Speaker 2: looked up was twelve in runs scored. It felt worse,
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  Speaker 2: but it picked up a lot late, kind of when
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  Speaker 2: games weren't as important for them. But now their offense
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  Speaker 2: has the looks of a top ten offense, which would
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  Speaker 2: make a huge difference for them. It's a good defensive ball.
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  Speaker 1: Club for sure. My thing is, you know what this
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  Speaker 1: does Bush and Shaw if they're on the team both
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  Speaker 1: of them. Obviously Bush is going to make the team,
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  Speaker 1: but the Shaw is at third baseman. Justin Turner has
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  Speaker 1: played first, He's played third in the big leagues for
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  Speaker 1: a long time. Guess what you can teach him how
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  Speaker 1: to do it every day, how to prep how to
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  Speaker 1: prep for their bats, how to look at certain things
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: for pitchers, how to do this, how to do that. Basically,
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  Speaker 1: how to be a big league ball player. And that
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  Speaker 1: matters which for young kids. Do you have somebody that
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  Speaker 1: can show them how to be a major league player
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  Speaker 1: at their position, because it's important.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Seattle loved him. They loved him when he
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  Speaker 2: was there too, the Mariners. I mean, for a little
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  Speaker 2: bit it looked like he was going to go back
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  Speaker 2: there and they were going to be serious about it.
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  Speaker 2: But then you know, everyone woke up and realized it
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  Speaker 2: was Seattle and the way they're operating right now. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: if you want more on this, North Side Territory will
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  Speaker 2: be all over it. In fact, Patrick Mooney from the
• 10:25
  Speaker 2: Athletic and North Side Territory host broke the story this morning,
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  Speaker 2: so you'll get more from Sade and Patrick. So go
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  Speaker 2: check that out and let's get to story number two,
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  Speaker 2: the deadline has passed. Flatty Junior might be playing his
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: last season in Toronto. Ten thirty last night is when
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: they had their final phone call. He said, quote, I'm here.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't get an agreement. Now they're going to have
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: to compete with twenty nine other teams. There's a lot
• 10:55
  Speaker 2: of quotes that came out of this whole situation. Blattie
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  Speaker 2: said they weren't close. I mean later on Ross Atkins,
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  Speaker 2: the GM spoke and kind of indicated that they were close.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to believe Flatty on this one. Bob Nightingale
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  Speaker 2: pointed out how the Red Sox are early front runners
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  Speaker 2: after this season. He feels like Laddie wants to be
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  Speaker 2: in Boston. I actually thought the most fascinating part of
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  Speaker 2: this AJ came from Bladdie when they asked him what
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  Speaker 2: he wants and he said, I want to win because
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  Speaker 2: his dad, the very famous Hall of Famer of Laddie
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  Speaker 2: Junior or sorry, Vladimir Guerrero, never won a World Series. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: this is the part that stood out to me the most.
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  Speaker 2: Asked what he wants in free agency, and this from
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  Speaker 2: Schei DAVIDI posting the quote Laddie said winning team. As
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  Speaker 2: you guys know, my dad played a lot of years,
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  Speaker 2: he never won the World Series, and I always said
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  Speaker 2: my personal goals to win a World Series and give
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  Speaker 2: the ring to my dad. That's what I'm looking for. Well, AJ,
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  Speaker 2: don't show him the young core and the prospect rankings
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  Speaker 2: for the Blue Jays if you're trying to sign him
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  Speaker 2: up after the season.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this thing for me never seemed like it was
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  Speaker 1: going anywhere. I know they said they got Of course,
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  Speaker 1: the Blue Jays are going to say they got closed
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  Speaker 1: because they have to say they got closed, because they
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  Speaker 1: have to say they tried. Vadi was never going to
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  Speaker 1: sign an extension. You waited too long. Now, the bigger
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  Speaker 1: question to me is do they pivot and try to
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: sign Boba? Shit? Do they wait and see because he
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: had a down year last year with injuries? Do they
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  Speaker 1: wait or do they try and go out and sign him.
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  Speaker 1: What do they do now? Because the Blue Jays have
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  Speaker 1: missed on a lot of people over the last couple
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  Speaker 1: off seasons, show Hey and we can Soto and all
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  Speaker 1: these guys, and the list goes on and on and
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  Speaker 1: on on. Right now, Laddy's gonna probably walk out the door.
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  Speaker 1: So What do you do if you're Ross Atkins, What
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  Speaker 1: do you do? If you're Shapiro? What do you do?
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  Speaker 1: Because the fans in Toronto, first of all, they packed
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: the sky down Roger Center, but they also get a
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  Speaker 1: little wrestless up there because they haven't really been good
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  Speaker 1: for a while, like good enough to you know twenty
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  Speaker 1: fifteen where they had Donaldson and the Jose Baptista team. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I know they made the playoffs, but they never really
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  Speaker 1: were anyone really like, man, they're gonna win the World
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  Speaker 1: Series good. So I think they got to figure it
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  Speaker 1: out quickly because both those dudes are on last year deals,
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  Speaker 1: and they got to figure out a way to make
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  Speaker 1: these fans happy and put a good product on the field.
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  Speaker 1: The ball is in Vladdie's court for sure. I mean
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  Speaker 1: comments by Ross acting saying Yo, there's a lot of conversation,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of back and forth. We were both felt,
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  Speaker 1: both we had we were both really happy. I was
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  Speaker 1: like wealth he worked. If Vladdie was really happy, he
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  Speaker 1: would have signed the deal that you offered him. It's
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  Speaker 1: too late. It's too late. You're gonna have to pay
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  Speaker 1: top dollar now. And I totally believe the Blue Jays
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  Speaker 1: need to pay top dollar. I really think they need
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  Speaker 1: a Vladimir Guerrero to build this organization around. You're gonna
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  Speaker 1: have to convince him by the delores because right now
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: this org doesn't look like it has a lot to
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  Speaker 1: add from the minor leagues. They'll still keep playing defense,
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  Speaker 1: and you know they're they're kind of locked into that idea.
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  Speaker 1: But they're gonna have to prove it to him, and
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  Speaker 1: I think the only way now to prove it to
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  Speaker 1: him because they missed out on Soto, they missed out
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  Speaker 1: on Otani. Whether they gave enough offers, who knows, but
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  Speaker 1: they missed out on those guys. They're going to have
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  Speaker 1: to prove to him by just the almighty dollar. And
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  Speaker 1: it's tougher to pay somebody when they're in free agency.
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  Speaker 2: You know. The part that bothered me the most. Mark Shapiro,
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  Speaker 2: who is the president of the team, said they even
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: went past their value. They went past their value for him.
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  Speaker 2: They couldn't align on a number that shared risk. I'm offended.
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  Speaker 2: If I'm Gladdie and I get a hold of those
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  Speaker 2: quotes later, I'm offended. Okay, the GM said we got close.
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  Speaker 2: Bladdy said, no, we didn't. They went after Soto and
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  Speaker 2: Otani and clearly didn't get anywhere near the ballpark of
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  Speaker 2: those numbers, and Glady said he had a number in
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  Speaker 2: his head. Obviously it changed a little bit, I'm sure
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: following the Sodo signings, since there are differences. But he's
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: going to be just one year older than Soda was
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: entering that free agency that he has coming up next year.
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  Speaker 2: And then the president throws that out there, Oh, we
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  Speaker 2: went past what we would do, what we think he's worth.
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  Speaker 2: Screw you. I want to be part of a winner.
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna have to pay a premium now that would
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  Speaker 2: really bother me. He's gone. He's gone. After the season,
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  Speaker 2: another team will offer him more money and they'll say,
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: we have a better farm system at a better young corps.
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  Speaker 2: The only chance the Blue Jays have is if they
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: shock the world age and like win the division or
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: do something crazy, because otherwise there are many other teams
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  Speaker 2: that have a lot more promise to show him for
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  Speaker 2: the future, and he wants to win soon.
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  Speaker 1: I can't. I just can't see it. I can't. I
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  Speaker 1: can't see it. I can't see him going back there.
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  Speaker 1: I can't. I mean, unless they blow him out of
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: the water with the money and whether they pay him
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: at Canadian dollars or American dollars or whatever they're going
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: to pay him in Yeah right, I mean, they just
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: give him a stadium full of tunis. But I don't
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: see him going back there now. I think with these quotes,
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, why there's no reason for Shapiro to say
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: those quotes? There just isn't. It's kind like it's kind
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: of like the Devers thing yesterday. There's no reason to
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: stir it up already, and it's gotten worse since we
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: talked about it. But why say that? Why we've gone
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: over our value what you think he's worth. Okay, so
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: just say you're not going to sign him. That is
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Shapiro basically saying we've given up fans. He's too greedy.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: That's what they're trying to say. But fans also know
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: they see Wan so Doo, they see show Hey sign
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Lad's next in line. Guess what he's going to get
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of money in order to keep somebody in Toronto.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Guess what you might have to do, go above and
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: beyond what you think he's worth to get him to
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: go there. Hmmm, weird.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: There was ego involved here on those quotes. To me,
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: we went over yesterday the dever situation that's on the field,
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: stuff that has to be handled that can affect the
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: team's performance. All the front office had to do was say,
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: we really gave it a good guy, we couldn't come
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: to terms. We love him to death. We're going to
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: try it every single turn that we can to talk
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: him into stay. Period. Thanks everyone, How hard did you
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: try it? As hard as we could. All of that,
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: you have to take a little shot and say you
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: want above his value. That's tough, it's real tough.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: His value is unmeasured. To Vladdie, it's unmeasured. Like you
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: can't say that. You can't say that about a player
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: that you actually want to keep. So maybe they don't
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: actually want to keep him.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, let's talk more about it.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: They just lost him. I'm telling you they lost him.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: He got he got personal. It got personal. When you
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: say things like that, players remember that. And the only
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: way to make that go away is you got to
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: pay him a lot of money. More money now, because
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: if you just would have said what Scott said, it
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: would have been like, Okay, it didn't work out, but
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: now got you kind of took personal shots at him,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: and that's not what you want to hear as a player.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Now you're gonna get charged in ego tax for
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: what you said after the season, So have fun with that.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: The Cubs have an a ball team in South Bend, Indiana.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Scott. So there's a team in Fort Wayne, Indiana too.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: I mean there's minor league teams all over the place.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: What do you what do you? What is their point?
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say anything else. I'm just saying that.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: And Indiana wants me. I don't want to go back there.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Sure, Adam out of Vino wants to go to the
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Red Sox minor league deal invite to camp and we
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: got a quote from Tristan Cassas. Some of you were
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: pointing it out in the chat and we just got
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: it here. He wants Devors to play third, Bregman to
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: play second. Asks asked if he thinks the group of Campbell,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Anthony Meyer that's the top three prospects should make the
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: opening day roster. He said no, because of the veteran's
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Boston has in the mix.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: No, because if they make it, guess who's out? Yeah exactly,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: I mean first of all, why did why do people
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: ask why did people ask him this question? I mean,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: just ask the player.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: He answers everything, they go down, I know, but him
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: saying like, oh so good, dude, Now we know Devers
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: is playing and as Dever said, I ain't moving.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: I'm playing third. And then like are you sure? And
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: then they made the interpret asking and he's like, no,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: you ever see you ever see that gift where the
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: guy where the sniper's like, and then they see the scope.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: It's just that's Tristan casts out of the minor league fields,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: just Marcella, Marge, Chris.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: And Campbell like like, get some guys. Yes, everybody should
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: make the team. This is why I'd be a terrible
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: scout as a player. I'd be like, yep, he makes
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: the team. He makes the team. We'll figure it out later.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: All the buddies coming up from the minor league, come on,
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: let's go. Tristan Costas said, nope, taking the boys out.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Go eat your minor league.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Peterboro and Jelly's you know, I always admire transparency. They're
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: saying it with their chest crats. The answer is no longer.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Whatever is best to help this team win a World
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Series title again. It's no, I want my money at first,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: he wants his money at third. Really good way to
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: jump into the season. Does team chemistry matter?
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: This is why John Henry never wanted to spend money.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: This is too much hassle. We could have just continued.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Now we have the team arguing. We could have just
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: had the fans arguing with me. Now, look at all
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I put all this money out for Bregman. We got problems.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: It's like a It's like a Drake and Kendrick Lamar
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: scene going on in Boston right now.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Giraldo Perdomo Diamondback for the long term four year contract
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: extension runs through twenty twenty nine. It starts in twenty
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: twenty six. There is a club option for twenty thirty
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: forty five million bucks. It could get higher. The club
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: option would make it, wait for it, fifty seven million
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: over five seasons. There's incentives, quite a few there must
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: be in the deal, reportedly up to seventy two million dollars.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: If they take that club option, they buy out three
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: free agent years. So most of his career here is
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: going to be spent with the Diamondbacks. Aja. This is
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: a player we don't talk about a lot. He was
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: an All Star into twenty twenty three. He does all
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: of the little things the bats in the average range.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Good glove, you know, sack bunts, just like all of
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: the situational hitting that you look for in a role player.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Do you like this? I know the money seems large,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: but it's not really given the late ARB numbers and
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: then the free agent years that they're going to get,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: which should be him in his prime.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: So I like this. I freaking love this for both.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I love it for Perdomo and I love it for
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks. I lock up a guy that Tory Lavello
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: clearly clearly trusts and cares, and Perdomo gets set for
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: life and he locks up where he's going to be
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: unless they train him. I don't know if there's no
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: trade claus in there, but still I love this for
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: both of them. I'm just mad that Tory didn't tell
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: us this is coming down the pipeline when he was
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: on a couple days ago. True, this is I think
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: this is better than just an above average glove. This
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: is one of the better gloves at a premium position.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: You talk about a big league shortstop, and he kind
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: of fits into that role that Tory Lavella uses him.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: He doesn't swing outside of the zone. I would want
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: him because he has good back to ball skills. I
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: would love to see maybe a little more swing because
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: he doesn't have a lot of slug that he'd be
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: able to put the ball in play. He tries to
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: kind of work walks, which is good. There's value there.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: But I think as he ages, he's only twenty five
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: right now. As he ages, I think that hit tool
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: will continue to progress. And he had some big up
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: bats in twenty three when they went to the World
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Series for them, and a lot of them revolved around
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: going deeper into counts.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to look up. I think he's much
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: better against right handed pitching in his career. I'm also
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: just trying to project, and I know he's a switch hitter.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: I'm also trying to project going forward what this team
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: looks like, because they're top prospect according to Baseball America
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: is still Jordan Lawler, who's also very young. But aj
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: we file this in the good problem category.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, we file this in the hey we got too
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: many good players problem, which every team would like to have.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: So I have no problem with him making this move.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: It's a good move for Perdomo. It's a good move
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: for the Diamondbacks. They locked up a guy that they're
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: counting on, and they know what they're going to have
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: that short stuff, possibly for the next four years, five
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: years or six years, whatever they want to keep him
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: as long as they do. They know what they got.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: And again, I like this move. And if Lawler is
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: a big leaguer like I think he is, like the
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: organization thinks he is, he'll be in the big leagues.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: This is nothing, nothing that is not problems this deal.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: This isn't the one Poto deal right where they were
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Oh no, exactly, We're not going to be able to
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: pay anybody now because we paid it like this. This
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: is not that deal. This is a deal where, hey,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: we have flexibility. And I believe Pernomo could probably move
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: around and play different positions if they ask them to too.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Lawler probably can as well. I mean, you know,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: right now they have Gino Suarez, but I believe he's
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: a free agent after this season, see how things go. Also,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: you know he's getting up there. I think this is
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: his age thirty three or thirty four season. So best
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: problem in the world is Lawler finds health find success
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: can handle third. Maybe long term one of them can
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: handle third on the left side. Obviously got could tell
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: on the right side, you know, with nailor for now.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: So this is a good team. I really like Arizona.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: We're gonna do power rankings later in the week. I
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: feel like Arizona might rank higher than some people think
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: they should be. But I really like the Diamondbacks heading
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: into twenty twenty five. They won eighty nine games last
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: year and they had the top offense in baseball. I
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: know they lost Jock Peterson, who was a big part
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: of the lineup last year, but man aj the lineup
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: looks pretty damn good. Corbyn Carrol wasn't good for four
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: out of the six months last year, and then was
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: normal Corbyn Carrol for the last two Catel Marte was
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: an MVP candidate. I think we all like Naylor better
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: than some of the front office analytics nerds do around baseball.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Lordis Gariel really good bat? I mean they've got outfield
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: depth Gino towards the bottom of the lineup. I still
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: think Gabriel Moreno has another gear too as a hitter.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Listen, you ask Blue Jays people in off the record,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: they'll say one of the biggest mistakes they made was
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: getting rid of Morino and Guriel in that trade. All listen,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I know they got our show and he's but he's
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: been injured. But those two guys alone are are good.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: And then you throw in a healthy Carol that plays
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: the way he plays. Naylor I think gets huge hits
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: for you. Perdomo is a good player. I think this
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: is a team. Now, are they going to beat the Dodgers. No,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: but I think they can scare the heck out of
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: the Dodgers and the rest of the National League and
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: make a run like they did a couple of years ago.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Because when you go Burns, Gallon, Kelly Rodriguez, healthy, Montgomery,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: fuck fault, we don't even talk about him. I mean,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: that's that's a pretty good And then they're they're bullpen.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: They're stacking up nicely the way Tory Levello, and they've
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: developed some of their younger guys in the roles. They
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: have a chance to be a really good team this
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: year because of their depth. But not like it's not
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: just one thing. Some teams, it's like, oh, they really
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: packed together a lot of death. Oh they have like
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: a good one two punch. This team is really good.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Tory Levellos has used the guys on this roster really well.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be tough. It's gonna be tough for Naylor
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: to do what Christian Walker did as an overall value.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I get that, but Tory Leavello does a really good
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: job of finding that value, making sure Peven Smith stays
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: in the lineup when he gets hot, like you like,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: oh Peven Smith, you know what is he like? There
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: were some stres which is where he was carrying this
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: team last year, and he never asked anybody to do
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: more than they need to. And I think the biggest
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: thing I don't know about like winning or losing the
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: trade with the Gabriel Moreno trade in the Blue Jays,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: But I think winning and losing the opportunity to make
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: the playoffs last year came down to gabrielle Moreno not
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: being their everyday catcher. I know the value of having
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: an everyday catcher. I see what he brought to that team.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Whether people say, oh, it wasn't him making decisions, it
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: was Brent Strom in the playoff race. Screw that the
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: catcher makes a huge difference. And it's nothing against the
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: guys who they were playing, because they did well. They
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: still won eighty nine games. But to me, it's having
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: that guy out there who controls the staff and is
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: going to catch one hundred and thirty games he's out there.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: This team is a lot for the playoffs.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: I agree with you. I agree with you. Yeah. I
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: mean they didn't have the catcher depth and he's really good.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: I think one of the more underrated players in the sport.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: He was really important to their World Series run. Two
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: bet MGM futures. Jose Ramirez home run total at twenty
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: nine and a half crats, you're up first, man.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I have to go over why why am I missing? Right?
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: He was one away from forty. I mean, I know
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: he was chasing the forty, so there's probably I need it.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: A lot of these individual awards are tough for me,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: or individual milestones are tough for me to go with.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: I'm seeing him. I'm seeing him minimum thirty four, like
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I feel like you can you can write it in.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: He's gonna be out there every day. When he slides
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, his batting average goes down
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: because he can hit a lot of pitches his homers.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I feel like he's a thirty four to thirty seven
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: guy with the possibility I'm hitting forty.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Can't go over on everyone, guys.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I get over. We haven't. I just don't understand how
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: he hit thirty nine last year and this is twenty
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: nine and a half. I mean, I mean, come on,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: like this seems like now I know he doesn't have
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Naylor hitting behind him, but he hasn't had a lot
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: of protection his whole career, so it's not like he
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: needs the protection. I think. I think this this one
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: to me. I mean, he's looking at his home runs
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: the last few years. He's gone now twenty nine, thirty six,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: twenty four and twenty three, and then thirty nine last year,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: thirty nine and eighteen twenty nine. I mean, I guess
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: that's why it's closer. But I still think this is
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: an easy over. I think Jose's figured it out, figured
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: out the power.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Hundred.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, he's not going to get the thirty homers
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: this year.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: He's had some seasons. I mean, like you mentioned a
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: couple of years ago, he played a full season and
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: had a great year, but finished with twenty four twenty nine,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: the year before the thirty nine is great. I think
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: missing Nailor is going to be a big factor here.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: They did not replace that threat. And I always get
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: back to the question that sometimes doesn't need an answer
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: because it's not like he's had help for most of
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: his career. But I'm like, does he have enough help?
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: And why pitch to him? So I'll take the under.
• 30:20
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• 30:37
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• 30:41
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• 30:48
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• 30:55
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• 30:59
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• 31:02
  Speaker 2: in a few different spots. But we're going to take
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: the Instagram answers for today. Okay, bold predictions. I'll read
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: a few at a time for you so you can
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: react wherever you'd like. These screen names or account handles
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: are too difficult, but I'll just go with early parts
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: of it. So no Detroit wins it all. Kt the
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: White Sox win more than sixty games, Omar Judge hits
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: sixty five home runs? Go ahead, Aja, what do you
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: have for those three?
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: First of all, ktick trying to kiss up to me
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: because they're not going to win more in sixty games,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: So good try Judge, ah Man, I don't love anything
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: what's most likely.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Don't love, but they're bold both they have to be
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: like whoa that is going out there on a limb.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: None of them seemed likely me. Detroit's not winning it
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: all this year. I'm sorry. I just don't think they
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: have enough offense. The White Socks aren't going to win
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: more in sixty games. And Aaron Judges and hitting sixty
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: five homers because you don't have anybody hitting behind him.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Stan has tennis elbow, both elbows, so he's got no
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: behind him, and they had Soto hitting in front of
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: him so there was someone on base. I just I
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: don't think any of these are likely at all. I
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: think the bottom one, Maddie boy, I know I'm jumping
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: ahead and we're not reading all of them. Okay, okay,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I won't I won't jump.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: I'll read the rest. Then I'll read the rest so
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: that you can you can mess with him here, all right.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Pat said, Mets win the World Series. B W said
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Boston whoops it and wins it all. Hay said the
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: JS go deep in the playoffs. Maddie says the Mariners
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: are going to go to their first World Series.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Crats Maddie Boy. Maddie Boy's got the best Bowl prediction
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: that I think can totally happen. Why not? Why not?
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  Speaker 1: We've been saying it. Why not jump on? Why not
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  Speaker 1: jump on the train? Why not? Holy it will be
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  Speaker 1: an MVP. Kevin Sitzer can raise another trophy too, much
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  Speaker 1: to AJ's chagrin. And they get this team to start,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Qure tight hit the ball opposite field instead
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  Speaker 1: of trying to only drive out drive the ball out
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  Speaker 1: of the ballpark, and the pitching staff stays unprecedentedly healthy
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  Speaker 1: for two years in a row. They win the World
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  Speaker 1: Series because nobody can hit this starting rotation.
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  Speaker 2: Is he being sarcastic or serious?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, he's being sarcastic. Kevin sites or hates Homers. That's
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  Speaker 1: a perfect place for him in Seattle, far far away.
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  Speaker 1: But let me say this, out of all these there's
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  Speaker 1: two that stand out. The Mets can win the World Series.
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  Speaker 1: That wasn't that bold, Pat, But BJ one to one
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  Speaker 1: oh seven Boston woops ass and wins it all. They
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  Speaker 1: actually have a chance if they know. There's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of ifs and butts, but we know where those get you.
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  Speaker 1: But I'll say this, if Crochet is healthy and Viuelers
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  Speaker 1: healthy and the rest of their lineup can do what
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  Speaker 1: they're supposed to do, they actually can get into the
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  Speaker 1: postseason and make a run. Because I honestly think if
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  Speaker 1: Breslo has a chance and John Henry has a chance,
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  Speaker 1: if they think they're alive for it, they'll go get
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  Speaker 1: reinforcements if they needed, so I think those two are
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  Speaker 1: the most possible. Although Pat, I'm sorry that's not a
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  Speaker 1: bold prediction. And I think those those reinforcements aren't going
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  Speaker 1: to be reinforcements like we've seen at trade deadlines, because
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  Speaker 1: they still have they still have a lot of this.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Let's say let's say Frank, let's say the
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  Speaker 1: Astros are out of it. Let's say the Padres are
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  Speaker 1: out of it. They have top prospects. They have a
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  Speaker 1: deep farm system to be able to go get a
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  Speaker 1: Dylan Cees, to be able to go get a Fraan Borvaldez,
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  Speaker 1: somebody that will bolster that rotation. Not saying the guys
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  Speaker 1: that they have aren't good, just saying at some point
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  Speaker 1: you need better starting pitching, and those would be upgrades.
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  Speaker 2: You guys have. Any others. We kind of did some
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  Speaker 2: the other day. Do you remember what you guys did?
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  Speaker 2: I said Trott was gonna have a big year and
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  Speaker 2: and be an MVP candidate. I actually think that's a
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  Speaker 2: bold prediction.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Okay, I said, going to win the division. That
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  Speaker 1: was my bold prediction. Yeah, like I just told you
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  Speaker 1: on the room that was mine.
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  Speaker 2: Kratz said, yeah, krat said every team was going to
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  Speaker 2: finish in third place.
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  Speaker 1: Are you being sarcastic? Scott? I said, the Orioles, we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna win the American League.
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  Speaker 2: Oh see, that's interesting. I've gotten into it with some
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: O's fans so much so that I've been getting calls
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  Speaker 2: to go on radio shows and podcasts to explain my
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: thought process on the O's and why I don't think
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  Speaker 2: they're the best team ever, even though some people in
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Baltimore do But anyway, if you have other bold predictions,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: we will take them all. Right, here's a bold prediction,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Alex in the chat who separates each letter with a space,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Angels will end their layoff drought. That is bold.
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  Speaker 1: Scott is so happy about that. That is Scott. I
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  Speaker 1: can't believe Scott didn't make that his Bowl prediction. As
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: much as you love the Angel, Scott, who do you
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: love more? Scott? The Angels or the Pirates or Kendall Graveman?
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  Speaker 2: Can I have them all?
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Wait? What did Kendall Graveman ever do to you? You? Yeah,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: you were. You were saying how much Kendall Graveman was
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Scott's favorite player, and then we talked about them.
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  Speaker 2: Is your favorite player's favorite player? By the way, if
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: you're watching us right now and you're giggling, we have
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  Speaker 2: seventy eight thousand subscribers. We would love more. Half of
• 36:47
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  Speaker 2: the button. Thank you. Anyway, I want to get rid
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  Speaker 2: of the misconception. Though I don't hate the Angels, I
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  Speaker 2: actually want the Angels to do well. It's a big market.
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  Speaker 2: They actually do spend on their team. They don't necessarily
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  Speaker 2: do it wisely, No, the Pirates are. They pissed me
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  Speaker 2: off way way more than the Angels do. It's not
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  Speaker 2: even in the same stratosphere. In fact, we didn't have
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  Speaker 2: time for this. But I'm saying now. Ben Cherrington, when
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  Speaker 2: asked the other day if the Pirates were on the
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  Speaker 2: verge of making a big move before the start of
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  Speaker 2: spring training games, quote, We're not on the doorstep of anything.
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  Speaker 2: And obviously Pirates fans had a field day with that,
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  Speaker 2: and they were like, you can just post that for
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: a ten year.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Span tenure only ten years made the playoff.
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  Speaker 2: From twenty thirteen to twenty.
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  Speaker 1: Fifteen, that's yeah, Okay, they didn't add.
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  Speaker 2: To that team, but they made the playoffs.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: They added, They got Justin Morneau, they picked up A. J. Burnett,
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  Speaker 1: they picked up Russell Martin, they picked up they added,
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  Speaker 1: they added huge, huge long term extensions on guys.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and years.
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  Speaker 1: That's the guys that got them there. But they didn't
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  Speaker 1: continue on that. They stopped. Yeah, and they got rid
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  Speaker 1: of Cutch he.
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  Speaker 2: But cutches back. But von Nova is the last guy
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  Speaker 2: to get a free agent multi year deal, right, Wasn't
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  Speaker 2: that what you said? The other day.
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  Speaker 1: Ten years since they've given out a multi year free
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  Speaker 1: agent deal, yvonno December twenty sixteen, because they ain't doing
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  Speaker 1: it this year. So it's going to have been ten
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  Speaker 1: years and I might not get to December, but it's
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  Speaker 1: going to at least be this offseason before they get
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  Speaker 1: to another multi year deal.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: We got some time here, so let's dig in Turf
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  Speaker 2: Wars Day two, Rafael Devers versus the Red Sox. First,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: let's hear from legendary Red Sox designated hitter David Ortiz. Quote.
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  Speaker 2: You are not talking about just another ballplayer. You're talking
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  Speaker 2: about Rafael Devers, the current David Ortes type player the
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  Speaker 2: Red Sox have. Listen to me, that's the team's best player.
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  Speaker 2: Bregman might have better defensive numbers, I'll give you that,
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  Speaker 2: but you are not talking about a Mickey Mouse type
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  Speaker 2: of player. You are talking about Rafael Devers. And see
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  Speaker 2: if Poppy wants to come back and play a position.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Alex kra of course, is going to receive
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  Speaker 2: questions about this every day for the rest of eternity.
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  Speaker 2: So he told he said, Devers told him and Craig Breslow,
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  Speaker 2: who runs the front office. Quote I'm a third baseman.
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  Speaker 2: We knew that, and cor said he knew that they
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: he was going to say that, and they weren't surprised.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: He said, they still have a great relationship. And then
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: I'll give you the quote, and then we can comment
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  Speaker 2: here from Cora the longer quote, because they're going to
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: continue to have conversations and it's too early to know
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  Speaker 2: right now what positions deversgmen are going to play, so
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: they're not giving up just yet. And here's the quote.
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  Speaker 2: Decisions are going to be made here about roster construction
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  Speaker 2: and what we're going to do in the future. We're
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  Speaker 2: gonna make sure we have the best team possible out there.
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  Speaker 2: He has a lot of pride. We know that he
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  Speaker 2: feels like he's a third baseman. He's going to work
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  Speaker 2: out as a third baseman, and then we're going to
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  Speaker 2: make decisions accordingly. But I think here it's not about
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  Speaker 2: Bragman or Devers or Cora. It's about the Red Sox.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever decision we make is for the benefit of the team.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm mm hmmm mm hmm. On opening day, Raffi
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  Speaker 1: Devers will be playing third base. You want a bold
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  Speaker 1: prediction there.
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  Speaker 2: It is why aren't they just saying that? Then why
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  Speaker 2: are they drawing a line?
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  Speaker 1: Because they both put there, They've already put it. They've
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  Speaker 1: already they can't back up. They can't back up now
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  Speaker 1: from what they already said. So they've already put They've
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  Speaker 1: already made it uncomfortable, and now they have to Now
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  Speaker 1: they have to stand to it. But I just I mean,
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  Speaker 1: when David Ortiz says Raffie Devers is a third baseman,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: then you know what that does to the Red Sox
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  Speaker 1: nation and the massholes. It makes some get behind Raffi
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  Speaker 1: Devers playing third base. So I mean, we all have
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  Speaker 1: our opinions, but I just bold prediction. Raffi Devers on
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  Speaker 1: opening day now, depending on who they face, is going
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  Speaker 1: to be the third base something. We're not really talking
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  Speaker 1: about a lot because it's about Raffie Devers. Alex Bragman
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  Speaker 1: signed here. What was told to him when he signed here? Here,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: here's a here's a brinch truck of cash, come and
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  Speaker 1: play for the socks. Oh, they definitely talked about this, like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: how do you think how do you think Devers is
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  Speaker 1: going to feel about this? Like Bragman's Bragman's a confident
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  Speaker 1: superstar player with two World Series rings. Devers has a
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  Speaker 1: ring like you're sitting there going wait a minute. They
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  Speaker 1: told me this when I came to the org. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: first day of ground balls. I guess I'm going to third.
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  Speaker 1: Where's Raffi? Raffi didn't come out for ground balls? Do
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  Speaker 1: you want me to take him at second? Wait? Cameras
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  Speaker 1: are out here? Should I not? It's awkward. It's awkward
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  Speaker 1: when you come into a new clubhouse like he went
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Devors to be your buddy.
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  Speaker 2: How does this not get handled beforehand? And then after yesterday?
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  Speaker 2: How does it not get handled?
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Because it's never going to go away because it's Boston,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: don't you get It's got because once it became a
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  Speaker 1: public thing and you had to have a press conference
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: with Raffi Devers and what he says just like this, no, no, right, yeah,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: he said no, and he said no, and then they
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: asked him again and he said no. I'm a third baseman, right,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: So either it wasn't communicated to him or he's just
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: as flat out saying no. No. What happens on the road,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but at least to start the year,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Raffie Devers will play third.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: So just to be clear, Core is going to have
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  Speaker 2: to say in a few weeks from now, yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: all good. He's our third baseman. Tail between legs for
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: going after him.
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  Speaker 1: Not tail between legs right now chorus text and big
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  Speaker 1: Poppy going okays that though, Man, why do you have
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: to like we're trying to work this out ourselves. Poppy,
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  Speaker 1: just cileencia a little bit of silence, just for a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, please, Like you're the I mean, he's the Don,
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  Speaker 1: He's the Red Sox Don. If he says something the
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  Speaker 1: massholes are definitely out.
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  Speaker 2: There, I would just be like, hey, Poppy, you remember
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: the position that you played that led us to all
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: that success. Maybe you should give him a little nudge, nudge,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: hint hint, help us out for a year because it
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: makes it part.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: David wanted no part trust me. I came up with David.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: I played with David in the minor leagues. Trust me.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: He wanted no part of me. He wanted to hit,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: and he went to the Hall of Fame as a hitter.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: And exactly what he should have done is what he did.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: He was We used to have game every day when
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: I was in the Florida State League with him. We played.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I'd take grounders at first and I was awful, but
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: I would beat him. We better Coke and I would
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: beat him most of the time. So I mean, they'll
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: trust me that I couldn't feel the drum in my life.
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  Speaker 2: And he knew it. He knew it. I can hit
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  Speaker 2: Island out above average last year for range, arm strength
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: was about middle of the pack.
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  Speaker 1: What I think about, and I'm not saying that they're
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: the same player at all. I'm talking about young players
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: who have a really good hit tool. Moved to DH
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: at a young age. Delman Young, Delman Young and Raffie
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Devers are not the same player. Please hear that I'm saying.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Delman Young told me as soon as he got moved
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: to d H. He said it was so much harder
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: for him to go back out into the field. And
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: because he said, the daily routine is just completely different,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: and you get into this routine of being a DH
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: whether you're injured or you're not injured, and you have
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: to like embrace that role that it really has a
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: tough time getting back onto the field consistently. What I
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: say yesterday, Once you go DH, you don't go back. Man,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: it's hard. You don't go back. You can't because you
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: get into that and especially when you do it every day.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: And that's why Scott's like, it's all ry for one
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: year and go back next year. Once you get into
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: that role, it is so hard to go back. It
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: was so hard as a catcher. I was used to
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: being out there every day to go DH because it's
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: such a different mindset. You're not involved. You're like, man,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: I'm pinch hitting four times this game. What do I
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: do for these two innings when I'm not on deck?
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: And do you try to watch a game but you
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: really don't feel like you're in the game because you're
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: not playing defense. It is just hard, really really hard
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: when you become a full time DH to go back
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  Speaker 1: to the field. It's easier to go the other way.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Salvey did it last year. Didn't you do a lot
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: of DH in first base until vinp came back half
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: way through the year and then he went back to catching.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Salvey's been playing every single day he has been. It's
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: worked for him. It's worked for him absolutely. But what
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: worked for Salvey is the fact that he's not catching
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty games a year and seeing his
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: second half numbers go for like a consecutive like eight years,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: he saw the benefit of dhing, so he embraced that role.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Salvado Perez is also probably thirty pounds heavier than Raffie
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Devers in the sense that like his body handles things
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: differently than Raffie Devers, who's playing more athletic position at
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: third base. You're asking a guy to quit an athletic position,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: not as athletic as shortstop, but still an athletic position,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: and then say, come on back, we're gonna go back
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: to it. I don't see it. I don't see it
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: for the long term success of the Red Sox. Okay, no, No,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: the difference is here. The Royals have for me behind
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: the plate, and he's a stud defensively. So Salvi's like
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I've done my I've done my stuff as a catcher, right,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Raffi's still like I'm only twenty six, twenty seven years old,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: I still got stuff to do. Salvi's like I'm in
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: the mid thirties. Poppy, I'm a oh the woman a
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: dh oh. I still get my money. Oh yeah, I
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: catch every once in a while. Oh, and that guy
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: behind me he's better than me, probably defensively. Okay, I
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: see it. I'll play first, I'll play, I'll play DH.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna be watching every single ground ball come
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: in his way. Spring training, regular season. The Red Sox
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: made their decision early on here, though otherwise they would
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: have just been like, yeah, he's third base, ragman second.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: They could always flip flop later. They're already battling him,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: which I think is interesting. Go ahead, craps, show your
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: hat on the way out, because he missed it yesterday
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: and people were and.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: That's making a ton of ton of free agent moves.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: The Minnesota Twins. Yeah, Twins, it's not my it's not
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: The Marlins can be confusing with them.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: And with the free agent moves. Part to see it tomorrow,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: right right, right,