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Las Vegas Concours; Risotto with Pagani and Hagerty · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  John Summers is the motoring historian.
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  He was a company car thrashing technology sales rep that turned into a fairly inept
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  sports bike rider hailing from California.
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  He collects cars and bikes built with plenty of cheap and
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  fast and not much reliable.
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  On his show, he gets together with various co-hosts to talk about new
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  and old cars driving motorbikes, motor racing, and motoring travel.
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  Good day.
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  Good morning, good afternoon.
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  It is John Summers, the motoring historian, the last Vegas Concord Ance.
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  I know Elegance and Las Vegas perhaps
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  oxymoronic, but.
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  Cars in Vegas.
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  Oh, that really works, doesn't it?
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  Cars in Vegas.
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  The whole fact that the collector car world started in, in my mind, sure.
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  On the East coast with the Hershey people, but on the west coast out here,
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  certainly north, it's the casino magnet.
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  Bill Harra.
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  That when I was at the Blackhawk, so many of ha of, of the Blackhawk
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  cars had at one point been in, in the Hara collection and he, he really
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  was a colossus in, in the hobby.
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  And, and therefore it's applicable, right?
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  That a big casino town has a car show.
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  And let's be clear, right, the Las Vegas Concord, I hadn't realized this
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  when I rocked up there, but you know, having driven my half million mile.
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  F two 50 diesel powerstroke pickup truck down the main strait of the Las Vegas
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  Grand Prix with the barriers up and so on.
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  Thinking, you know, wow, I too might be pastry or Norris, or.
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  Lando, did they name him after Lando Calvion in Star Wars?
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  That is the question, isn't it?
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  I think they did.
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  He's aged about right, isn't he?
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  Were his parents Star Wars people?
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  Is he named after a character in Star Wars?
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  Is that cool or is that idiotic?
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  The event is organized by the win.
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  They comped me and, and the other people who came and, and were docent
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  volunteers, they, they comped us rooms.
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  I really wanna thank them for that because it's really was an, an awesome event.
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  And you know, I mentioned that the Grand Prix took place in a few weeks.
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  I hadn't realized that in between the Concor and the Grand Prix is sema.
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  So there really is a sort of motor fest at Las Vegas, and it's not one
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  of these, like where even at Monterey, you know, pebble Beach, you need
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  a car to get around, everything's like distributed, but you could have
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  just stayed in your hotel room for.
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  Two weeks and done all three events.
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  Like everything is right there.
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  And that really is the theme of Vegas actually as, as a show because the
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  fact that your room is, you know, or be it a Vegas walk away, so you
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  know, a five or 10 minute walk.
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  But nonetheless it is a walk away from the show field, show fields.
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  I should say, and let's talk about that in just a moment, but the fact that the
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  show fields are walkable, that there's plenty of car parking, there's many, many
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  hotels rooms within walking distance of the show field, it actually makes Vegas
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  absolutely ideal to host a concore.
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  It's as simple as even if you are not somebody who has a collector car, it's
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  not a huge jump of imagination to feel like or to have had that experience
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  where you're gonna take the car to the show, but your significant other's
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  not that interested and the dog or the kid or whatever's just a lot of extra
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  schlep and you're like, you know what?
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  I'm just not gonna bother going.
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  Because I don't wanna leave the significant other at home
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  with a dog or kid situation.
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  I just, I'm just, you know, it's, this is a pleasure event.
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  I'm just not gonna go.
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  If you can have a hotel room nearby, how much more accessible
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  is it with the whole dog?
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  A kid, significant other who wants to wear shoes that are ridiculous,
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  but that means she can't walk pro.
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  You know, all of that stuff.
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  Right.
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  These are issues which I would say most car guys collect.
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  I don't wanna generalize, there's plenty of women car guys, but you
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  know, probably their significant others aren't that interested in in cars or
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  might not be that interested in cars.
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  The point is, right, that if the casino's right there, if there's all
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  the entertainment of Vegas right there, if you could just go back to your.
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  Room and like it's easy to take a pee and take your shoes
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  off and all of that, right?
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  It's absolutely huge and it makes the event really completely
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  different event from any other one that, that I've been to.
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  So, as I say, it, uh, wins.
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  Organize the, the event I, I stayed at the Wynn Hotel.
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  They did comp me.
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  I had to pay the room charge and the discharge and the, that charge and,
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  and I really appreciate them doing it.
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  And they did a superlative job in terms of, of organization.
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  So I said show fields, didn't I?
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  Yeah.
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  Show fields.
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  There is an area which I did my tours around, which resembles Pebble Beach.
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  Might almost be Pebble Beach in some highlights.
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  You know, there was, uh, pebble Beach winning Gaia this year.
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  There was some nice American cars, there was some nice pre-war cars.
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  There was some nice sort of Europe, you know, Maza, ferragine, Gini types.
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  You know, there there was, there was that kind of stuff around.
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  There was some nice jaguars knocking round.
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  So you had the same kind of experience.
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  I would say that you have, not so much at Pebble Beach, but certainly the event
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  that I'm personally involved in, that I'm chief docent of now, surprisingly
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  and absurdly, and I've simply a.
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  There's a function of poor Wayne Craig passing, but the Hillsborough
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  event is a fairly small number of cars, and it's a local event, but
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  it draws a very high caliber of car.
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  And the Vegas event was almost like that.
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  There weren't a lot of cars, but.
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  In the PWA beachy part, there were, uh, some really high quality, nice ones,
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  much, much better cars than you would ever see at, uh, local cars and coffee.
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  With the rise of vste, I feel like it, it's shown that there is room
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  for more events than the traditional Pebble Beach and Abil Ryland.
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  I feel like there is room for, uh, more than that.
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  I feel like what Vegas has done really effectively is look at
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  the supercar crowd and say, you know, what can we do to elevate.
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  The supercar, hypercar crowd, people's experience.
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  And of course, if you've just spent a million dollars on a Ferrari
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  and then you see there's another Ferrari that's worth 35 million or 50
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  million, or maybe even more than that, you're naturally peak to understand
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  why that car might be worth more.
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  And what the Vegas event is set up to do is to provide that kind of tutorial.
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  And certainly that was what I looked to facilitate.
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  The people were Vegas, really Vegas.
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  And I would say that one of the, the guys that I, I worked with who's
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  chief to in uh, pebble now said to me, you know, a lot of the people that
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  you do tours for, I bet you most of 'em have never been to a car show.
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  Before, probably half of 'em never been to a car show.
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  And those that have, have not been to a kind of point judged pebble,
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  beachy kind of car show, which as I say, the Pebble beach style show
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  field was that it was points and, and judged and, and, and so on.
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  And indeed, you know, he was absolutely right.
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  My experience was the, the people who were coming round were people who, you
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  know, who were in Vegas and who were interested in cars and were, were car
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  people, but they definitely weren't Pebble Beach kind kind of of people.
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  So, so there was a really cool kind of education going on.
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  And of course, um, these.
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  Kind of people are, I mean, one of the, one of my guests, uh, she had an eye
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  patch that had a picture of an eye on it.
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  So it was quite disconcerting talking with her because she had like sunglasses
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  on and the eye patch and the, yeah, husband, uh, lots of gold jewelry and
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  yeah, just welcome to Las Vegas, just a very, you know, Las Vegas kind of feel.
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  So it was really fun doing that in terms of.
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  The people and the cars, but I've just talked about the pebble, beachy kind
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  of show field right at the foot of the wind, like right off the strip.
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  They've not just got this one field, they've got like three or four.
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  One field was just Lamborghinis.
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  It was like you'd sort of, you know, you crusted a rise and then
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  there was a field of Lamborghinis.
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  And I don't mean like, you know, a dozen, oh, I wanna over exaggerate.
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  Probably 50 cars.
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  You know, I would be surprised if it was less than 50 cars.
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  Certainly comfortably in excess of two dozen cars.
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  And of course what that allay builds you to do if you are a enthusiast
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  is compare and contrast and, and that's unique and and valuable.
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  Now to have that would've been awesome, but to then have two
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  or perhaps three more fields.
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  That have pans and bugattis and, and then a sort of manufacturer kind of area, you
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  know, Gunter works and over Finch and you know, those kind of like braas, you know,
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  for whatever brand kind of guys don't wanna knock that if that's your thing.
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  Guess I'd love to have that much money to be able to, you know, spun that much on
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  a special version of a, of another car.
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  Why am I doubtful?
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  I mean, I had a student who worked at Gun to Works, I'd
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  never even heard of them before.
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  And, you know, the front end treatment is my, my, isn't it?
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  And I happen not to like what the going to works look for
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  the front end of Porsches, but.
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  You know, whatever, each of their own happy, the, you know.
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  But this is the kind of people who were at the, the Vegas show.
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  I think Paani launched a new car or something like that.
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  I might you include some pictures of it.
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  'cause there was one car that he seemed to be on stage talking about at one point
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  when I was coming to and from the show field after one of my tours and the car
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  was like in the reception of the hotel, faintly reminiscent of one of the Ford.
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  Lamar cars, I might interrupt myself and record a little bit,
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  but I, I wanna say, is it the J car or was it the Ford three liter?
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  There was a matchbox model of it.
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  That's when I knew about the car.
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  I don't think it was that successful, but you know, by that time, matchbox
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  had committed to doing the model.
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  So sort of, you know, the car through the model, even though the real
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  car didn't race anywhere near as.
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  Successful.
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  The GT 40, I can't remember the exact, but this is what that PA
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  looks like with a kind of fishy high tail, like swoopy high tail.
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  Yeah.
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  Editor.
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  John's here to tell you it's the four three liter.
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  Um, apparently it was built by Alan Mann and there is a matchbox model
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  of it linked to the Matchbox model.
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  So a photograph of the actual car, which does look, uh, a bit fishy
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  and I think does have proportions that are reminiscent of the pagani
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  that I'll, uh, I'll add a picture.
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  Quite appeal.
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  Quite appealing, although obviously I'd rather have the
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  real race car, wouldn't you?
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  I was fundamentally blown away by the fact that, that there was so much stuff there.
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  The Bugatti field.
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  I mean, my God, there was some crazy statistic like 53.
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  Bugatti Veron imported into the US and of those, like 50 of them
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  or 33 imported into the us and of them, 30 of them were at the show.
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  So that was pretty stu fine.
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  Really.
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  I mean, I'm not a modern hypercar kind of person.
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  But the spectacle of that is a Stu Fine thing.
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  And you know, as somebody who's not looked closely at them before, it's
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  pretty awesome to be able to compare the different evolutions of, of Veron and then
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  sheron and, you know, so, so this is quite an interesting thing, I I, I this modern.
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  Volkswagen design.
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  I find it very iterative.
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  It's like in your mind, today's Audis look the same as ones from 20 years ago,
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  but they don't, they've like tweaked and changed and evolved and, you know, they
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  retained the brand values whilst modern.
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  I, I do feel like that has gone on with Bugatti as well.
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  And it, it's awesome to see, but it's also a bit Germanic and mechanical
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  and not the way that I feel like, you know, it's, it's not the way Gandini.
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  Design the Diablo is a, it's did you design the Diablo, but
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  I mean the counteract, but you understand what I'm driving at.
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  In that period, design was done.
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  Great flair and passion.
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  It's not the way SC Etti did the original Ferrari, GTO is it.
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  So you know, I mean, call me.
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  Old fashioned, right?
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  The rustle and the paper signifies that I'm actually taking up my paper
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  to, uh, talk through after 16 minutes of just absolute off the cuff drl.
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  So the first note that I had here was, this is concourse, but Vegas style.
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  And I think I've conveyed that already.
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  The judged lawn.
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  Pebble winning car was the Mercedes, I'm not sure if it's an SSK, but SS
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  Mercedes, like twenties Mercedes.
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  That was ordered new by Lord Howe, the sort of patron of British motorsport.
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  So my sort of tour piece was around the whole notion of, you
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  know, the unelected representative who takes it upon himself to.
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  Take on a cause in this case, motor sport and really drive that forward.
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  And, and Lord, how is, when you look at the political history of motoring
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  in Britain, rarely for the first, like 50 or 60 years, rarely does he not,
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  does he not sort of get a mention so.
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  I've gotta believe that when he bought this Mercedes, it was
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  kind of a, a no thine enemy.
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  I mean, he sat in the, the House of laws, which is the
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  equivalent of the British Senate.
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  But as I say, Lords aren't voted.
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  They just like inherit the titles so well.
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  Some are, some aren't.
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  But you know, in that period, a lot of them.
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  You know, and in his case, he inherited the tightly, he didn't do anything,
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  you know, to become a Lord unique because it was bodied in Britain.
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  Um, it has a very British kind of, of style to its super rakish.
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  I put a photograph that I took of the.
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  Pontoon, it's kind of a step, it's kind of a storage container
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  on the side of the car.
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  It's just a beautiful piece of art.
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  But as I say, I really feel like it's, uh, the case of no thine enemy, that
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  this was Lord how very much saying to Bentley and Rolls Royce, look,
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  this is what the Germans can do.
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  We need to be able to do better than this.
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  And uh, you know, he was a keen racer.
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  So, you know, you, you know, the car was exercised.
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  So more recently it's, I think it's owned by John Shirley.
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  I'll delete myself out if I'm wrong.
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  Alright.
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  I just leave myself in there to confuse posterity.
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  The point is, he's had a beautiful restoration on it and the fact
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  that he's ready to enter a car, that one Pebble, B Jack, the Las
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  Vegas Concor, I mean, it just gave.
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  It's a beautiful way to anchor your tour and of course most of the people walking
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  past it don't have a Scooby-Doo what it is and especially when it's parked up
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  opposite a row of modern Formula one cars.
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  I mean, this is amusing actually.
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  People will walk in straight past the how Mercedes and we're gushing over
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  the sort of Shum me era, F three 10.
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  I think that's the designation, but a sort of, you know.
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  20 ish, 15, 20 ish year old Ferrari Formula one car.
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  And of course, nowadays they're like, everyone's like, Ooh, the V 10.
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  What you're struck by now is how bloody big the modern cars are next to it.
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  It looks like a Formula Three car, basically in comparison
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  to a modern Formula one car.
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  But look.
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  Right.
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  That was another thing that was bloody awesome about the show, is that they
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  didn't just have a few, they seemed to have like half the grid of modern
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  Formula One cars and it's really a, an an impressive kind of display.
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  I mean, I guess easy, right?
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  'cause the Grand Prix coming up, I hadn't really thought that through
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  before, but really just the very juxtaposition of the pebble winner and.
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  Michael's Formula One car and modern Formula one cars.
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  I mean, that was what I felt was special about the Vegas event.
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  So I said I drove over in the F two 50 power stroke.
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  I mean, it's 1500 miles on a weekend.
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  I mean his total trial by fire because like a halfway, I ran the thing out
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  of gas not long after I bought it, and then had to purge the low gas line,
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  the diesel lines and all of that.
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  So.
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  Actually just within the last 24 hours.
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  I'm recording this a long time After this road trip, months after the road trip.
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  It's like January now.
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  When this event was sort of November or October or something of last
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  year, it's had some fueling problem now it's not running right now.
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  Bloody F two 50.
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  Well, anyway, I, I ran out of gas, fixed that, and then was like, right, I
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  just have to trial by fire this thing.
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  So I drove it to Vegas and back, and I drove by Mono Lake and that kind of way.
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  I took like a, almost a like direct route.
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  Drove across Yosemite.
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  Really, really awesome drive.
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  The truck only seems big.
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  The city, right.
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  When you're in a, it's, it's a crew cab long bed and it only
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  seems big when you're in the city.
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  Like when you're just driving along.
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  Normally it's fine, but when you like get into Vegas and then have
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  to park at one casino and it's a massive hike and normally it'd be
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  fine 'cause you travel light, but.
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  Now you're doing a concord, you've got like multiple pairs of
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  nice shoes and you know, jackets and all of, of that bollocks.
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  So I, I had to leave the truck parked up, not miles away, but like a long way.
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  I mean, it, I basically, I spent one, I wouldn't say whole day, but I spent a
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  good two or three hours just 'cause it was like a 20 minute walk from my room.
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  To the truck and back and I couldn't carry all the stuff in one go, so I
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  was like hiking backwards and forwards.
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  So it was really Betty Salick, let me tell you.
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  That was really annoying.
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  And uh, but it's my own stupid fault, right?
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  For driving a giant truck.
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  And it probably would've fitted in the other car parking.
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  But, you know, you don't want get it stuck, do you?
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  I mean, it's like driving in past the barrier and then it
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  getting stuck on the ramp.
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  You know, you just like.
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  So the night before the Concor, we were invited to a party and
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  the party was shortly after we'd done our pre-show field walk.
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  And that's usual when you do the pre-show field walk, not all the cars there.
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  And in this case we did the pre-show field walk the night before.
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  So it's pretty cool as it broad arrow or RM or one of them
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  were doing auctions there.
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  So whilst I was waiting to meet the others.
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  Right there in the hotel, in the middle of the hotel was like a
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  full on like Italian job spec.
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  Old English white mini really looked good.
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  Rarely have I lost it after a mini more, it was in exactly my
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  specification, you know, mark one external hinges, Minna light wheels.
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  But then somebody had put big taillights on it and it just offended me.
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  It just offended me completely.
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  I was like, Ew.
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  Like.
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  Get out of town.
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  Like you've gotta do the small, delicate taillights, the outsides, the
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  plexiglass, the details have to be right.
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  I just wanna say British people, this business of fitting black and
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  white plates, like when I say old fashioned, I mean like from the sixties,
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  black plates with silver letters on them, on cars from the 1970s.
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  Like anything later than.
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  A sort of J or K plate car that has to be a plastic number plate.
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  If you've got an R or a V or a W red car, like a nine eighties escort
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  XR three, that car needs to have a yellow number plate at the back.
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  It's just, it just does it
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  party the night before?
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  I digress.
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  I was on the show field, wasn't I, you know, I was talking about pottering
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  around the show field the night before, and I almost didn't go to the party.
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  I wanted to like show my face and I, and I wanted to, you know, mingle a little bit.
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  And so it, it made sense to, uh, to Potter down there.
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  Oh, the people like, oh wow.
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  I had a number of really interesting small talkie conversations with people.
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  And they were very vegasy kind of interactions.
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  You know, it was fun, but I can't remember a single thing
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  they said or or anything about.
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  And there's one woman that I spoke to who was taller than me.
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  I remember speaking to her for a little bit.
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  I was with a guy, pebble chief docent guy, and he's an imposing looking
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  guys like silver beard and silver hair and broad shoulder and tall.
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  He had a gold jacket on.
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  So, uh, this guy rocks up.
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  He's wearing this like green snake skin kind of jacket and I can't remember
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  what his role was, but he has, he was basically like, you know, they
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  compared notes on having loud jackets.
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  And then we got talking to the guy and he has this lovely, oh, in fact, I mean,
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  I'll, I'll include a picture of the car.
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  I've seen the car at Lahore as well.
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  He has the.
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  NY Lamborghini, I think it's a three 50 or a 400 gt.
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  It was actually used for any kind of motor sport, so it has like a semi
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  kind of racing spec thing on it.
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  I wasn't convinced by the car before.
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  It was cool and all, but it, I wasn't convinced by the actual
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  motor sport history, the guy's passion, overwrote, all of that.
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  For me, the guy's passion for Lamborghinis in general, overwrote, all that.
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  And I, and I walked away thinking, I mean, Ken, like you do with Lamborghinis,
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  like, well, maybe it's not for me, but like, I'm really pleased that that
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  stuff's in the world and, and uh, you know, so, uh, so that was fun having
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  like a bit of small talk with him, but I was still amused by being amused.
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  By the loud jacket, people comparing notes with each other.
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  Well, I thought I might posh over to one of the food stations and get
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  some food, and I was like looking at it being like, fucking Alex Risotto.
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  I hate risotto when none other than Il Haggerty asked me if I
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  would please pass him some risotto.
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  Which I, I, Julie did, turning back to find that Horatio PA was leaning in
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  to get some risotto himself as well.
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  Didn't persuade me that I wanted risotto.
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  Still fucking hate Otto.
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  It's the Kiss's death on cooking shows.
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  By the way, if you're watching a TV cooking show, if anybody's like,
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  I'm doing the risotto, like, no.
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  Right?
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  No.
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  Clearly there's some like, you know, rhythm stirring stuff that you
• 24:45
  need to do that you can do in the kitchen normally, but on in tv, on TV
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  land, it's just not possible to do.
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  It's always the kiss of death.
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  Mark my words.
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  If you are watching a cooking TV show, I should.
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  I could make money betting on that, couldn't I?
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  That short term betting thing.
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  So you tend to do the tours early in the day and, uh, I wouldn't have
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  said we were remotely overworked and the tour groups were small.
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  I think I did two or three tours and, and so probably, and each group was
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  maybe a couple of two people and one put.
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  To, you know, a couple and a one person or something like that, you know, that
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  was, the groups weren't very big groups, so it's great, right, because then
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  it's a conversation and, and you can really provide a value add for people.
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  I don't feel like I need to broadcast to 50 people.
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  I'd, I'd rather do like a one-to-one, and, and then people feel like they've got a
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  real value add and, and maybe feel like they actually, you know, have learned
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  something rather than have just looked and been like, well, that's a nice one.
• 25:43
  I mean, I, I know how I'm like when I go to a museum.
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  I don't wanna do an audio guide, but at the same time, I do like to leave with a
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  bit more information than I had before.
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  I happen to enjoy reading the plinths and stepping back and looking and reading.
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  I get that other people learn in a different kind of a way and and wanna
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  learn different kind of way and, and that's why I've always felt like doing
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  tour guiding stuff was worthwhile to do.
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  You know, and with these people, obviously you get, if, if you're coming
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  from a place where you've never been to a judge car show before, there's
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  so much more that you can learn here in addition to just the car.
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  So it was fun interacting with the people and doing that.
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  And I was tired walking back to my room when, uh, I saw, uh,
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  I, I'd already seen his red.
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  Sheron.
• 26:28
  If you know the world of automotive YouTubers, you will know the moment.
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  Not Red Sheron.
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  Red Veron.
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  The moment I said Red Veron, I was, uh, I was talking about Ed Boian.
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  Um, he was lurking right there on, on the lawn there.
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  And I'm, I'm not one to go up and introduce myself to celebs or semi
• 26:48
  celebs or, or, or whatever, but you know, he was there with old Don McGuire,
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  the McGuire's car polish people.
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  And, uh.
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  McGuire, I, I realized standing there looking at both of 'em
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  are like a head taller than me.
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  So it's a peculiar thing.
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  But I realized standing there looking at them, that both of these people try and
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  do the same thing that I do, which isn't, but they just do it more successfully
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  than me, which is they've made their passion for automobiles a living just
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  because they're earning a reasonably good living and it doesn't stop 'em
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  Continuing to tell stories and share the passion and encourage other people.
• 27:24
  To be enthusiastic about motoring and old cars and just caring for the automotive
• 27:32
  and engineering cultural heritage of the 20th century or whatever you
• 27:37
  want, you know, all, all of the above.
• 27:38
  So, so I did a whole like.
• 27:40
  Gushing fanboy piece with him around, you know, thanks to what you do for the hobby.
• 27:45
  And then we walked through, uh, the hotel together 'cause he
• 27:49
  needed to look for reception.
• 27:51
  And it was amusing because I think he thought that I had a lot to say to him.
• 27:55
  And maybe 'cause I'd jammed on a lot when I first met, but I
• 27:58
  didn't really, afterwards when I got back to my room, I was like,
• 28:01
  shit, I should have asked him this.
• 28:03
  Or I could have asked him that.
• 28:04
  Or I could have said, oh, bravo on, uh, that, or I did say to him.
• 28:09
  Mentioned the, the class that I do, which is a, that I teach, which is a
• 28:13
  storytelling class, and I mentioned how with VIN Wiki, I felt like,
• 28:18
  you know, my initial thing was, God, this bastard stolen my lunch.
• 28:22
  But then upon reflection I was like, no.
• 28:24
  On the contrary, this is actually.
• 28:27
  Publicizing the form of pure automotive storytelling.
• 28:31
  It's saying there is something special about automotive stories.
• 28:35
  And it's funny, I, I read a a, a Reddit that commented, uh, that
• 28:39
  everybody on Vin Wiki was like a, a law breaking arrogant asshole.
• 28:44
  Some of the guys that he has on there certainly years ago came across like that.
• 28:51
  Well, I think that's even better, right?
• 28:53
  There's nothing more beautiful.
• 28:55
  It's like the Jeffrey Chauser inviting somebody on and having them condemn
• 29:00
  themselves out of their own mouth.
• 29:03
  Like how you let the fool tell a story to make himself look like a fool.
• 29:08
  You allow the coward to paint himself as a venal.
• 29:12
  Greedy coward.
• 29:13
  And, and some of the people that Ed Boian has had on Van Wiki,
• 29:16
  they do come across like that.
• 29:18
  And of course, people, uh, are ambivalent about the whole nature of cannon balling,
• 29:23
  which is, you know, and it's by being a cannonball record holder, that that's how,
• 29:28
  um, you know, ed Boian came to the public eye in the first place, if you like, and
• 29:32
  was able to, to build this brand around.
• 29:36
  Buying the cheapest cars, the worst examples of exotic cars
• 29:39
  that he could possibly can.
• 29:41
  And then by virtue of him having it and talking about it and repairing it, you
• 29:45
  then turn the bad story into a good story.
• 29:48
  And you write off the fact that the value's bad.
• 29:51
  And you know, if you own, if you make enough song and dance about
• 29:55
  stick shift, Lamborghini mer largo's, which you happen to own.
• 29:59
  Sooner or later, 'cause there's only like 30 or 50 or a hundred
• 30:03
  of them or whatever there is.
• 30:05
  Sooner or later you are actually able to move values materially based
• 30:11
  upon the research and the stories and all of that stuff that you're doing.
• 30:15
  So I should have said to him, you know, Bravo for showing me that shit.
• 30:19
  You know, 'cause uh, I may have been telling Carl stories longer
• 30:22
  than you, but I didn't see a way to.
• 30:25
  Sort of monetize it as effectively as as you did.
• 30:30
  I talked much more then than I actually did to him.
• 30:32
  I must have been knackered.
• 30:34
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