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Alex Smith Reflects On J.J. Watt Hit That Nearly Took His Leg + Mentoring Patrick Mahomes | Bussin’ · Bussin' With The Boys

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  Speaker 1: We're good.
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  Speaker 2: Bussing with the boys Hanging with.
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  Speaker 4: No woman's gonna tell us What to do And I'll.
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  Speaker 2: Just drinking beer and making that noise. Baby, I'm hanging
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  Speaker 5: Bro.
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  Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Bustin' with
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  Speaker 4: the Boys. It is episode 404. We're chugging along here.
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  Speaker 4: We have a phenomenal episode with Alex Smith today. The
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  Speaker 4: breakdown of everything. Everything you want to know about the
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  Speaker 4: trials and tribulations of this man. He goes through it
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  Speaker 4: during this year, we teamed up with Kevin's Natural Foods
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  Speaker 4: for a saucy showdown. I had myself teriyaki. Will Compton
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  Speaker 4: had cilantro lime. We went to a bunch of different tailgates.
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  Speaker 4: We had four tailgate stops this year.
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  Speaker 2: Every time.
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  Speaker 4: Testing out different sauces. And if we give them to
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  Speaker 4: the people, they would taste it. And based on which
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  Speaker 4: they like more, they'd vote teriyaki or cilantro lime. Well,
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  Speaker 4: the votes are in. And you're going to see that
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  Speaker 4: Will Compton right now is wearing something very beautiful, a maize.
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  Speaker 2: And blue uniform.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, we just lost to Indiana in overtime this past week.
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  Speaker 4: Let's give a round of applause to Will Compton, how
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  Speaker 4: he looks. What could have been a man in the
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  Speaker 4: maize and blue rocking 51. How do you feel, brother?
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  Speaker 2: Let me lock in real quick. Can I just say something?
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: I knew our first stop at LSU when I chose
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  Speaker 3: cilantro lime to be my sauce for this sauce showdown.
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  Speaker 3: First tailgate, college town, younger generation. I'm like, it's going
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  Speaker 3: to be over. I'm going to be fighting for my
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  Speaker 3: life for cilantro lime. because of just the immature palates.
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  Speaker 2: That people have. Teriyaki's phenomenal.
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  Speaker 3: We're not saying that anybody that we sat there with
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  Speaker 3: and they're going back and forth, like anytime they're like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I like Teriyaki, I'm making sure to let them know
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  Speaker 3: Teriyaki is gas. But I just knew he was back
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  Speaker 3: against the wall the whole time. Like we had a
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  Speaker 3: family come and a little, you know, like probably eight,
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  Speaker 3: nine year old.
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  Speaker 2: And he had a group of buddies.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, they're all going to vote for Teriyaki.
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  Speaker 3: These kids don't even know. the sweet nectar of cilantro lime.
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  Speaker 3: They won't know until they get into their later 20s,
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  Speaker 3: early 30s, to where they start giving cilantro lime a chance.
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  Speaker 3: So I just knew I was gonna be in a
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  Speaker 3: pocket throughout the tailgate tour. Hats off to you, hats
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  Speaker 3: off to Kevin's Natural Foods. I may have lost the
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  Speaker 3: sauce showdown, but I'm still riding with cilantro lime. Go
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  Speaker 3: Big Red, go cilantro lime, go Kevin's Natural Foods.
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  Speaker 2: Numbers are in.
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  Speaker 4: There are 61% of people that tried teriyaki and the
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  Speaker 4: uncultured palate. They voted for that. All of the other
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  Speaker 4: 39 went for cilantro lime. Will Compton's rocking some Michigan
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  Speaker 4: merch right now. And then shout out Kevin's Natural Foods.
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  Speaker 4: They do it at $ 10, 000 to local charity Wags and Walks.
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  Speaker 4: So give a round of applause on that as well.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely incredible. That's just a Kevin's Natural Foods clean take, dude.
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  Speaker 4: Both of them are delicious. You might have to have
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  Speaker 4: a more cultured palate in order to like cilantro lime,
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  Speaker 4: but I'll be honest, dude. Teriyaki hits.
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  Speaker 2: Teriyaki does hit.
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  Speaker 4: It hit when I was eight. It hits when I'm 35.
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  Speaker 4: It always hits.
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  Speaker 2: It hits at 37.
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  Speaker 4: Some more news. UFC 333 just went down. That's only
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  Speaker 4: on Paramount +. If you're wondering. Volk, friend of the show.
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  Speaker 4: He gets a massive win. Big win for Down Under.
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  Speaker 4: Peter Yan. He gets a decision win over Marab. So
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  Speaker 4: shout out Peter Yan as well. Not a friend of
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  Speaker 4: the show just yet. And if you haven't seen the
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  Speaker 4: 334 UFC trailer is out now. That's Cyril Ghosn. And
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  Speaker 4: that's Josh Hokit. Now, you might remember these two gentlemen.
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  Speaker 4: They got massive wins in the Freedom 250, which we
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  Speaker 4: were at.
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  Speaker 2: Phenomenal time.
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  Speaker 4: Feels like that we were just talking about before the
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  Speaker 4: show started. Feels like years ago that took place. That
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  Speaker 4: is going to be an epic matchup. All right, Hokit
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  Speaker 4: has done a great job of making him the villain
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  Speaker 4: of the entire world using his freedom of speech, saying
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  Speaker 4: the things that he wanted to say about Barack Obama's wife.
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  Speaker 4: And now everybody and their mother is like, this guy's
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  Speaker 4: got to get humbled a little bit. Cyril Ghosn, he's
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  Speaker 4: a French guy, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Cyril Ghosn, French guy. Both of them Elite wins at
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  Speaker 4: Freedom 250. Can't wait to see the showdown on UFC 334.
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  Speaker 2: Anything on that one, Willie?
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  Speaker 3: You know the world wants Gandhi to just touch that
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  Speaker 3: chin of Hokut.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Hokut will let you know. He ain't going into the
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  Speaker 3: dark like that. He doesn't go quietly into the night.
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  Speaker 2: No, he doesn't.
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  Speaker 4: He can wrestle himself a little bit, too. A big
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  Speaker 4: weekend took place in the Luan household. For those of
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  Speaker 4: you that don't follow... And don't know, I have three children.
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  Speaker 4: One is three months old. One is nine and one
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  Speaker 4: is six. So as always, they talk about that middle child.
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  Speaker 4: Middle child is always kind of living in the abyss
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  Speaker 4: and the gulag of like when they're going to get attention.
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  Speaker 4: My six-year-old and I went to Dollywood this weekend. I
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  Speaker 4: had no idea what to expect about an East Tennessee
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  Speaker 4: theme park. That was, I mean, we all love Dolly Parton.
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  Speaker 4: We think she's incredible. I just didn't know what, like
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  Speaker 4: if it was going to be kind of run down,
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  Speaker 4: what the deal is. We went out there Friday, so
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  Speaker 4: we do Bustin' and Paint on campus. I land, go home,
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  Speaker 4: eat some food real quick, four-hour drive with my daughter.
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  Speaker 4: I will say, for anybody who's not been to Dollywood,
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  Speaker 4: one of the most incredible experiences I've ever had.
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  Speaker 2: How are the coasters? Really good. Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Like, we're not talking like Six Flags good, because Six
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  Speaker 4: Flags is like, we're roller coasters and that's it. Like,
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  Speaker 4: the theme, there was pumpkins everywhere. There are 20,000 pounds
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  Speaker 4: of pumpkins everywhere. throughout the property. They had one individual
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  Speaker 4: carve all those pumpkins. She was onsite doing all those things.
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  Speaker 4: So it's like very family friendly fun. And we're kind
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  Speaker 4: of ripping around. It just has a great flow to it.
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  Speaker 4: The roller coasters themselves, are unreal. Like they're awesome. They're
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  Speaker 4: just not like the way people talk about six flags.
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  Speaker 4: Do you get a little, you get a little drop
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  Speaker 4: in your tummy?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, 100%.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, they have ones that do loops. They have
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  Speaker 4: massive drops. You have ones that go like seven, I
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  Speaker 4: think one goes actually 77 miles an hour. There's the
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  Speaker 4: Screaming Eagle. I had myself a scary experience. Willow, my six-year-old,
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  Speaker 4: she was 50 inches. So she was okay to do
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  Speaker 4: every single rollercoaster except for one. And I was kind
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  Speaker 4: of nervous. Like when I was six years old, if
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  Speaker 4: you're like, Taylor, do you want to do this rollercoaster?
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  Speaker 4: I'm the kid that would stay in line for two
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  Speaker 4: hours with their parents. And then right when you get,
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  Speaker 4: it's like time to go, I would cry and we'd
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  Speaker 4: have to go down the stairs.
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  Speaker 3: To your point though, like I would do it, but
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  Speaker 3: my eyes would be closed when I'm that young. I
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  Speaker 3: would be, I would shit myself.
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  Speaker 2: You were the countdown kid on the diving board. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: We had a, I think it was like Big Surf,
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  Speaker 4: which is like a water park in Arizona. And they
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  Speaker 4: had the ones that go like straight down or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: And I would, dude, it was like two, three years
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  Speaker 4: in a row. I would like stand in that little
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  Speaker 4: staircase that goes up and you get to the top
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  Speaker 4: and you're like, Then you have to be the kid
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  Speaker 4: that goes, all right, excuse me as I'm going back down.
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  Speaker 4: Like I was a little puss, dude. I was a
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  Speaker 4: little puss for a long time. And Willow handled everything.
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  Speaker 4: We had a guide. It's like 400 bucks per person.
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  Speaker 4: And this person takes you around. You get to the
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  Speaker 4: front of the line and everything. And her name was
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  Speaker 4: Miss Sherry. She was so incredible. Like she had a
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  Speaker 4: scary Sherry scale. And she's like, she's six. We're going
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  Speaker 4: to check it out. So we go on these like
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  Speaker 4: acorns to begin with. And it's just really basic. goes
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  Speaker 4: around in circles, spins a little bit. Woo, we're having
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  Speaker 4: a good time. I barely fit in the acorn, but
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  Speaker 4: we got it done. The next one was a pirate ship.
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  Speaker 4: Go up, and Daisy goes back and forth. And shout
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  Speaker 4: out Michelle, because I'm thinking, Willow wants to ride the
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  Speaker 4: roller coasters. She already knew, like, if we go take
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  Speaker 4: her to a big boy roller coaster right away, and
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  Speaker 4: she gets scared, Daisy's ruined. Like, we're going to be
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  Speaker 4: too scared to do those things. So this is the one.
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  Speaker 4: She does a great job taking this. This ride in particular,
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  Speaker 4: gave me the most joy watching my daughter. It was
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  Speaker 4: like the first time in her life that that's the
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  Speaker 4: stomach feeling went up and she was like, couldn't figure
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  Speaker 4: out why her tummy was feeling this way, but it
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  Speaker 4: was such an amazing, she's like, dad, why is my stomach? Oh, oh,
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  Speaker 4: like going back and forth. It was the purest form
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  Speaker 4: of like father-daughter trip. And then we started hitting these
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  Speaker 4: roller coasters, bro. And she was screaming the whole time.
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  Speaker 4: As soon as it would end, I want.
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  Speaker 2: To do it again. So we do it again.
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  Speaker 4: And then we get to this, this screaming eagle. and
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  Speaker 4: this one has a minimum height requirement but it also
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  Speaker 4: has a maximum height requirement so i was like willow
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  Speaker 4: willow's like allowed to go on this ride she's all
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  Speaker 4: good she's fired up come on dad let's go i
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  Speaker 4: get stopped hey how tall are you i was like
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  Speaker 4: oh i'm six foot seven like do you mind you
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  Speaker 4: mind coming over here for a second and i go
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  Speaker 4: under this thing and the guy's kind of looking at
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  Speaker 4: me he's doing this he's like is your back against
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  Speaker 4: the wall i'm like yeah he's like What was the
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  Speaker 4: height at? 81 inches. So I'm like right in that category.
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  Speaker 4: I think I'm 79 inches, but like the shoes on
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  Speaker 4: and all that, I'm pretty much wearing the same outfit
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  Speaker 4: I always wear, which is this outfit.
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  Speaker 2: And I got these chucks on.
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  Speaker 4: He's like, you mind taking your shoes off real quick
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  Speaker 4: for me? I'm like, yeah, no problem.
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  Speaker 2: So I take my shoes off.
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  Speaker 4: He goes, all right, you're good. I'm like, hey, what
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  Speaker 4: kind of good are we talking about here? Is it
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  Speaker 4: like a buffer category?
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  Speaker 2: Because you saw what happened in Six Flags. No, what
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  Speaker 2: happened in Six Flags?
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  Speaker 6: Oof, not good. Somebody, yeah, a guy died. from being
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  Speaker 6: too tall he wasn't secured into his rollercoaster like seat
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  Speaker 6: well enough and then he just like slipped out.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my god yeah is this a video.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if they have yeah.
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  Speaker 7: The actual crash the video servicing online that I saw
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  Speaker 7: are just the actual rollercoaster that he was on but
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  Speaker 7: there's some interviews of people who were on the rollercoaster
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  Speaker 7: who saw it might want to avoid those.
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  Speaker 8: And he like flew out that is terrifying coming down
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  Speaker 8: one flew out and flew into some trees apparently very sad.
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit. That is brutal, dude.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I didn't, obviously I'm here. Um, that's crazy. I
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  Speaker 4: wasn't worried about being strapped in. I was worried about
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  Speaker 4: being too, like my, my torso being too tall. So
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  Speaker 4: my head and I ended up doing, you know, the
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  Speaker 4: getting the tapitated or like I lose a foot, but
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  Speaker 4: there's do the way the dude's kind of look at,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, kind of just eyeball testing. If I'm good
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  Speaker 4: enough to be on the roller coaster, I look at
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  Speaker 4: some guy and I'm like, Hey, what's your name? He's like, Connor.
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  Speaker 4: I go, what's your last name? He goes, Shaw said,
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  Speaker 4: Connor Shaw.
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  Speaker 2: If there's a lot. Shout out Connor Shaw.
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  Speaker 3: Shout out Connor Shaw, man. I didn't even know he
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  Speaker 3: was doing that.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, if I come back and I don't
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  Speaker 4: have a foot, like you are my witness. Like just
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  Speaker 4: so we can take this place down, we'll call it
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  Speaker 4: the Luanwood. We ended up going on and the whole dude,
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  Speaker 4: he's like on the loop, tuck your feet when you
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  Speaker 4: get to the bottom of the loop. And then on
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  Speaker 4: the spins, I just try to tuck a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: So Willow's having a great time. I'm shitting myself on
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  Speaker 4: this ride. And once we ended up doing it three times,
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  Speaker 4: it all worked out. But that thing got scary for
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  Speaker 4: a second. I think they were messing with me. I
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  Speaker 4: think they had to be messing with me.
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  Speaker 2: Had to be.
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  Speaker 9: Tuck your feet?
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  Speaker 10: I know.
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  Speaker 2: Tuck your feet on this roller coaster.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And the thing in which you don't have control over
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  Speaker 2: your body.
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  Speaker 4: It was unreal. But the coolest thing about Dollywood is...
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  Speaker 4: Like they have like 20 people on staff that are
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  Speaker 4: just around there, like blowing glass or making horseshoes or,
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  Speaker 4: you know, carving pump. Like they have like artists that
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  Speaker 4: just work there full time. And it's like extremely clean.
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  Speaker 4: The food's great. I was blown away by this theme park.
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  Speaker 4: It was, it was unbelievable. So shout out Dollywood, dude.
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  Speaker 4: Shout out Miss Sherry.
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  Speaker 2: Shout out Dollywood.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. It was awesome, man.
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  Speaker 2: Shout out Dolly Parton. Oh dude, Dolly Parton. Shout out
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  Speaker 2: Kevin's natural foods. Shout out Kevin's natural foods.
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  Speaker 3: Clean take.
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  Speaker 2: Go big red.
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  Speaker 4: Go blue. All the things.
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  Speaker 3: I know it's tough wearing this one after the, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: we covered it on the college football reaction.
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  Speaker 2: I know, dude.
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  Speaker 4: It's just kind of gross, dude. Maybe I need to
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  Speaker 4: play quarterback. We'd probably, the score would probably be the same.
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  Speaker 4: The score would have probably been the same. It wasn't
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  Speaker 4: Tommy Carr's fault. It wasn't the offensive line's fault. It
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  Speaker 4: wasn't the receiver's fault. It wasn't the running back's fault.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't the tight end's fault. It wasn't the backup's fault.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't the head coach's fault. It wasn't the DC's fault.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't the defense's fault. It wasn't the special team's fault.
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  Speaker 8: Cheerleaders?
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't the cheerleaders' fault.
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  Speaker 3: Special teams kind of had some responsibility. A couple of
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  Speaker 3: missed field goals.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, special teams could have been better. There were a
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  Speaker 4: lot of things that went wrong, but I can only
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  Speaker 4: kind of narrow it down to one or two things.
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  Speaker 4: But I will just say it wasn't any of those
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  Speaker 4: other things' fault.
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  Speaker 2: I understand.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I understand. It wasn't the fans' fault. Brutal. Just brutal. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: all good, dude. You know who you needed? What?
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  Speaker 1: 18, bro.
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  Speaker 2: J.J.
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  Speaker 3: McCarthy.
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  Speaker 2: J.J.
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  Speaker 3: McCarthy out there slinging the rock.
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  Speaker 4: You see that they're like now the favorites to win
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  Speaker 4: the East. And they were what, 3% just two weeks ago?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: To win the NFC East. Now all of a sudden, J.J.
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  Speaker 2: McCarthy.
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  Speaker 4: And is he not saying all the right things right now?
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  Speaker 3: His little post-game speech in the locker room to the boys, too,
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  Speaker 3: juiced me up.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Juiced me up, too, because he starts with frigging twice
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  Speaker 4: and then full F-bombs right after that.
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  Speaker 2: That was my favorite part.
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  Speaker 4: He went PG and then immediately went rated R about
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  Speaker 4: how much he effing loves this team, man. But for
• 14:01
  Speaker 4: him to come out and throw the ball away and
• 14:03
  Speaker 4: set them up, they have a lot of talent. If
• 14:06
  Speaker 4: he keeps playing that way, if he plays a first-round pick,
• 14:09
  Speaker 4: a guy that's been humbled, goes to a new spot,
• 14:12
  Speaker 4: scataboo runs the way he did after coming off the.
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: Bench, like.
• 14:15
  Speaker 4: Giants could be, this is overreaction because we do it
• 14:17
  Speaker 4: every single week. Giants could be a team that legit
• 14:20
  Speaker 4: could do something in the playoffs.
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: They got talent. Did you see Scadaboo run the football yesterday?
• 14:26
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 14:28
  Speaker 11: Oh.
• 14:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: Running through a motherfucker's face.
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: Dude, unsportsmanlike conduct.
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: Hey, and shout out, like I know he got trucked
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: and ran over, but there was no fear. going in
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: a scataboo. Like the safety was, he was coming. He
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: thought it was gonna go a different way, but he
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: was not shying away from nothing, but he got his shit.
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: Rocked, bro. He watched the Brandon Spikes interview. Yeah, bro.
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: Dude, everybody loves the Brandon Spikes interview. Yeah, that was-
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: The amount of just messages I was getting last week too,
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: by people being like, yo, electric factory, Brandon Spikes.
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: Dude, the fact that he, I mean, he said it
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: 17 times. Like he is a straight up psychopath. And
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: that's exactly what you want your middle linebacker to be.
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: My favorite part of the entire episode was when he
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: talked about how he was starving. And then looks over
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: at Will for confirmation and goes, you were probably eating
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: pasta and shit.
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: This is it right here. This is the comment on YouTube.
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: You want to get featured on the show, this is
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: how you do it. You get in the comment section
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: or you hashtag Tear Talk. At Prez05, he writes, the boys,
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: how's your day been, Brandon? And Brandon, I've been putting
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: grown men to sleep since I was an embryo.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, Jesus Christ, man.
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: The energy of Spike's the entire show. I mean, there's
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: sometimes where I'm just sitting there, I'm like, holy fuck,
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: this guy. He's got the juice, man. Yeah.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: And then sometimes being like... Dude, like the first.
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: Hour and a half of it, it's legit like a
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: Motiversity type of YouTube that we were like... I was
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: just sitting there like, this guy's got me so fired up. Like,
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: maybe we should all try to go back.
• 16:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: Then he's beefing with Incognito on the internet last week.
• 16:04
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: In the comment section. Fully beefing with Richie. I call Richie.
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: He gave me the full breakdown of that entire thing.
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: He said he's going to come on the show and
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: he'll tell us all about it. So future friend of
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: the show, Richie Incognito, will come and break down all
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: these things. A lot of people, there's a lot of
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: callbacks that took place. This one comes from LilPars24. I'm
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: not going to lie. When I heard Luke Combs' story
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: about spikes earlier this year, I thought he was exaggerating
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: for the pod. Now I'm 100% certain there were no
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: lies told. All-time pod boys. Taking a man's dread. and
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: wrap it on as if it's an accessory for your
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: body now is just top-tier psychopath move.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: But he was starving, man.
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: When I asked him about it before the show, because
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: I didn't sit on the interview, I was like, do
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: you remember that moment of the Luke Combs interview? And
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: he was like, hell nah, but that's only because I
• 16:55
  Speaker 6: did that about 10 times.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, God, dang. Dude.
• 17:01
  Speaker 12: Dude, there was like, when we were like an hour in,
• 17:03
  Speaker 12: I don't know if y'all remember, it was over an hour,
• 17:05
  Speaker 12: and he's like, all right, so when we get into
• 17:06
  Speaker 12: it today, this is what we're going to do. And
• 17:08
  Speaker 12: then he laid out an hour in what y'all are
• 17:10
  Speaker 12: going to do on the pod. He's like, we're going
• 17:11
  Speaker 12: to start a high school.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: You could tell he was just so used to it.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, all right, boom. So this happens. All right, boom. Yeah,
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: all right, boom. Fully cut one of y'all off, too.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: You were about to ask him a question. No, no, no,
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: we ain't there yet. We ain't there yet. We're still
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: talking middle school right now. So three games in, I quit. Dude,
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: he was full of energy.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: Then also like I was laughing too, to myself, because
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: he's talking about how he's about that life, how hard
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: he goes about everything.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: He's like, I'm willing to die for this shit.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: But then him and Percy Harvin then go up to
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: the coach's office like, hey, workouts are a little hard
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: coach like we.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: Came here to play football yeah this is crazy this
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: is nuts we played basketball for the next week it
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: was all good after that i'm willing to die for
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: this shit and then like five times but you know
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: i ain't about that.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Workout stuff i ain't trying to work out he also
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: did he said this a lot in the beginning that
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: he's like and i'm not a professional like this is
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: just like my other personality and at the end he's
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: like but i'm all pro like that the difference between
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: me and them is i'm a professional no.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: I didn't train for the pro day.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: Which is just crazy. He's just like, yeah, I play ball.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: I don't need to do none of this.
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: All right, here's one.
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: TrickDaddy55 said, speaking of Compton siblings, can we get an
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: update on Wyatt and some North County football?
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, the boys are rocking right now
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: in Bonter, Missouri. North County football, they got DeSoto this week.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: We now enter districts.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: DeSoto? No, I wouldn't say DeSoto's a rival at all. Okay, okay, okay.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: But the North County Raiders- You know how I was
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: telling you that they were four and four going into
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: that ninth week?
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: They are now six and three.
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: Whoa.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Farmington. Farmington, week one. The rivalry. They had a player ineligible.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: So they had to.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: No way.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, bro. They get a dub. So they're six and
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: three now.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: So they're six and three facing DeSoto this weekend. District
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: play started. They win that one. They'll probably play Festus
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: next week. White will say that'll be a tough one.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: He'll tell you. He'll be the first one to tell you.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: That's going to be a tough ball game.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: Well, this one's not a tough ball game right here?
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: This one's a tough ball game. Now, you're in, basically,
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: you're in playoff mode. You start with districts, the district tournament.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: But they get this one against DeSoto. Then they'll probably
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: go on and play Festus. And then you see where
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: it goes from there. So right now they're in. If
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: they lose, they're done. If they lose, they're done, yes.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: I believe so because I was asking them, like, what's
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: at stake? I've got to give an update for you.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: I said, who do you have? What's on the line?
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, and is it districts this week? He said, yeah.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: He said, yeah, against DeSoto, we should beat their ass. Oh,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: well done. Hey, you got to cut that. You got
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: to cut that. I know, I know. What we've seen
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: from college football this year. Oh, is this them right now?
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Pull this up for a second. He updated me last week.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: He's like, hey, we're six and three now, by the way.
• 20:07
  Speaker 9: This is their opponent DeSoto.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: This is DeSoto.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: They're on offense? On offense. Good run. He's running a
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: little high. He's going to get licked in that A gap.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: Some of that offset gun, too.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: But the boys, the Raiders, tough start.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: Lost the quarterback in that first game, like around halftime
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: when Farmington mopped our ass. We get that win back
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: because they had a player ineligible. You're very leaky. I
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: want to say they might have started one and three.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: But we are now 6-3. North County is now 6-3.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: So I have.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: A question that we have not talked about yet. But
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: it's just a thought. We're officially in a brainstorm. Wyatt
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: leads these boys to a W this Friday.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: Next week, they got a tough one. I don't know
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: where Bustin' and Payton on campus will be next week.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: Let's just assume it's relatively close. Is there a chance
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: that the Bustin' with the boys crew goes to that
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: game next Friday?
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Fly in, watch the game, leave that night. You know
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: I'd be down. I mean, I'm... Because that's not this week,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: but next, right? Yep. And then the following week we
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: would be... Last time I checked. Because we'll have to
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: go bus... Bonterre's on the way to South Bend.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Ooh, yeah, because we'll have to go to Notre Dame
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: after that.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Are we doing the show? Notre Dame?
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: As of right now, it seems like yes, but we
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: don't even want to put that in there either because
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: you don't know what's going to happen in Notre Dame
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: and Miami. You got to think they'd win. But yeah, next, this,
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: not this week, but next week is not Notre Dame Miami.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: It is. It is. Yes. November 7th. Yeah.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: So the pop back and forth, like say Busset and
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Petty Campus is at South Bend.
• 21:46
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: It would be a quick flight if we decided to
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: do that.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Can I just say, and I know like you're clearly,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: I would like, I think this would be so much
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: fun to go do this.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Oh, I tell you what, you're cooking in this brain
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: storm right now.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: I kind of, right?
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: We do the show. We just pop over. We just
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: got to pop over real quick.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Watch the game. Hey, keep it running. We'll be right back.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: We're going to watch the full game. Will Compton, go away.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Potentially Friday Night Lights with the crew, the Friday Night
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Lights crew.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Hey, now you're cooking, dude.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: Get that squad. We didn't go to Bonterre. Just for, dude,
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: I think that has to happen, no?
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: No.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: Take care of DeSoto. Take care of DeSoto. We'll figure
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: it out from there.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: But yeah. That would be live, bro. Unreal. Right, fellas?
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: That would be truly like one of the most epic
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: weekends ever.
• 22:43
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: And we, I mean, we did Friday Night Lights this
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: year in Knoxville and it was, didn't disappoint nothing.
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: No.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: And this would be- I mean, it was a blow
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: by the time we got to the game, but if
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: we're trying to play all these logistics, like we'll be,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Boys will be juiced up for some Friday night lights.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I'll say this too.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Let me just, I'm going to- Against a tough, fastest
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: football team. I'm going to bring us down for just
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: a second. I'm going to go to negative town for
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: a little bit. If we go bus and paint on campus, right?
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: And we do the thing. And then we immediately fly
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: to Missouri to watch your brother and the North County
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: Raiders handle business. Do they handle business? Because it's not
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: just going to be you and me and the bus
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: and crew that goes.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: If Friday Night Lights crew goes. If Friday Night Lights
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: crew goes, eyes can get big. Eyes will already be
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: big because Will Compton will be back home. Or do
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: the boys show out? Right, right. And I like to
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: lean on showing out.
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: Because I don't want to be responsible. But take care
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: of business this week, fellas.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Take care of business. And to the house, by the way,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: on that kick return.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: I was watching these highlights while he was rolling there.
• 23:47
  Speaker 9: One minor note to the person filming. Stay zoomed out
• 23:51
  Speaker 9: at the beginning of the play. Then zoom in as
• 23:53
  Speaker 9: they're scoring. You catch the whole play. And that's just
• 23:56
  Speaker 9: a very minor production note.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: This was a tough game. They had a chance in
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: this one. I know it's 39-6 right there, but.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Wait, that's the end score?
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: So I don't know how the score ended. But Hillsboro,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: that is where– why am I blanking?
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. That's where– The dude from Texas Tech? Oh, Austin.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: The Texas Tech linebacker?
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Austin Romain. Hillsboro is where Austin Romain went. This
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: is when Hillsboro and North County, it's kind of a
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: sneaky rivalry. The main rival is Farmington, but there's always
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: been a good history of North County and Hillsboro. That's
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: dating back to the late 90s.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: How did you fare against Hillsborough? Beat them. Did we
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: play Hillsborough that much? We beat Hillsborough. You didn't win state?
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: No.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: We made a fucking brutal... Get you out of bed, brother.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: When we fired Aubuchon, man, that was.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: We didn't know it at the time, but that was the...
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: You know, we were signing the ticket right there.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: We might be cooking something with this next week.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Gotta take care of Friday.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Gotta take care of Friday. Gotta take care of Friday.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Gotta take care of Friday. Here's one here from Aeotex1.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Shout out to JP. I showed up late to Woodrow's.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Didn't really get the chance to meet anyone, but saw JP.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: A quick hi, hello. It was just a quick second,
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: but he showed lots of love and it made my day.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Keep it trucking, fellas. Tyler Olson, JP needs another raise.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Jesus.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Is Woodrow's this at South Carolina? This is like the horseshoe,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: pretty much. Oh, okay. By the way, incredible scene.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: Beautiful scene for Bustin' and Payton on campus, being at
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: the horseshoe.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was your first time, right? At the horseshoe?
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. First thoughts. It was A +. That was our
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: best show. Yeah, the best show. The campus is beautiful.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Everybody showing out, the crowd. That was all time, bro.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: There should be a massive opportunity for Wake Forest this week.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: Massive opportunity. Because the tone's been set with South Carolina.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: We'll have to see.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: It's all about the buy-in, dude. Shout out Michael Debates.
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: He's the football SID, and he was the one I
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: was talking with the whole week, and he's asking me
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: all these different questions. Do you want Sir Bigsburg there?
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: How do we feel about Kaki, the band? How do
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: you want this set up? Making sure everything was dialed.
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: And then once they were on board, the schools, the
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: university social media team, they're reaching out. Hey, how can
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: we get involved? How can we public? And all the
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: things that you just watch it all come together.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Alshon Jeffery.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: The local spots, like the radio show, people just promoting
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: that Bustin' and Pay was going to be there.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: It delivered. And the crowd delivered, bro.
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: You just walk around the University of South Carolina campus,
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: and maybe y'all don't feel this, maybe you do. I
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: walk around it and I just feel hope. I'm walking
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: through campus.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: And it's in the air.
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: No matter what our record is, any year, if you
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: walk through the horseshoe on a day like it was
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: on Friday, there's like, It.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Was the perfect day. What was it?
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Around 70 degrees. The sun was out. It was, you
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: felt the hope. It was cocked over.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Beamer comes in with the police escort.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Just finished a meeting. You're smashing pumpkins. We're smashing pumpkins.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: Let's break that down for a second. Cause in the
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: group chat, you're talking about how nervous you were, but
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: you handled business. I would not have thought you were nervous.
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: I felt a whole lot better. You had one of
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: the cleanest pumpkin smashes of all time.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Thank you. And I felt a whole lot better on
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: your second one when it got stuck in there. Yeah.
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: I was like, okay, cool. This is a possibility. Now
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: we know what to do if this is the reality.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. We take that pumpkin, we hold it up for
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: a second, and we just beat it on the ground.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: And then turn to the college kids and let them
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: do the rest.
• 27:35
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: Because game cognition, you just give them a little bit
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: and they will take it and turn it into one
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: of the greatest scenes ever.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: That's it. incredibly true.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: We had at the end, they're like, Hey, when you're
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: done with the smashing, go over, there's gonna be college
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: kids holding pumpkins and you have to ask them who's
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: the best, like who's the best college. And they all
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: yell USC and then they're going.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: To smash the pumpkins.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: These kids didn't do, they just yelled USC, started chanting USC.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: I'm like, smash the damn pumpkins. They ended up doing it.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: I scooped some goop out and start feeding a kid
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: and he starts just.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Chewing it down. That was the most different, bro.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: He and I did not have a conversation about it
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: or nothing. I just scooped it. I went to put
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: it to his face and I was like, ah, he
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: probably won't eat it. He, I felt him like a
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: horse eating, like give him in and started going at it.
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: I'm like, this motherfucker's bought in. in it and after
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: i died but you're the man he goes he was
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: just like you could tell he was at 10 right
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: there yeah i love.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Pumpkin seeds i love the seeds but.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: The stadium pulse was loud huh so loud you got
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: the you.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Got like the production crew standing around there's like extra
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: lighting on.
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: It they all told me at the like y'all had
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: practice smashing a few pumpkins so i'm watching y'all do
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: it i didn't get any practice swings so in my
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: head all i'm thinking is If I miss this pumpkin,
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: we lose this game. This video gets played forever. This
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: is why they lost. We should have known it from
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: this spot. I'm like, I cannot.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: You know, Jack's live clipping that too. And he's just
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: praying to God you miss. No disrespect.
• 29:03
  Speaker 8: I 100% live clip that just to put in the
• 29:05
  Speaker 8: back pocket. But also JP can attest. I sent some
• 29:09
  Speaker 8: nice texts to him where I could have taken a
• 29:11
  Speaker 8: different route. And if there's anyone I can be happy
• 29:13
  Speaker 8: for with the South Carolina win, truly the only person
• 29:16
  Speaker 8: is jp so it does we've had that conversation it
• 29:19
  Speaker 8: does seem like uh you're the most you're you're the
• 29:22
  Speaker 8: most gracious.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: When you lose when it comes to south carolina everywhere
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: else not so much but i don't think anybody i
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: think it's everywhere else you're really yourself like.
• 29:30
  Speaker 8: Everybody else that's the respect that i hold for jp
• 29:32
  Speaker 8: truly because he is a gracious loser and he's been
• 29:35
  Speaker 8: in pain and misery his his life too so he
• 29:38
  Speaker 8: understands it you can say it I didn't want to
• 29:40
  Speaker 8: say the entire life but I he understands it so
• 29:42
  Speaker 8: when I see a man who deserves a win even
• 29:45
  Speaker 8: though it's against my team I have to give him
• 29:47
  Speaker 8: the flowers.
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah it's not every day that you walk past another
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: fan just that feels the same level of fandom as
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: you yeah and I see Jack every day and it's
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: like There's not that many of us out there.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: So we do. It's like I hate Tennessee.
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: But because I'm friends with Jack, it's like I would
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: never come in after a win over Tennessee and be
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: like just going nuts on him, talking trash. Because, again,
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: I've been in his shoes plenty of times. And it's like,
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: I mean, they whooped us the last time we played.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: And it's like it's Oklahoma week now. Yeah, it is
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma week.
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: But what a time, man. And I just can't shout
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: out Alshon Jeffrey enough.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: I know with him there too, stadium pulse gets even higher.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I try to make him smash the pumpkin. He's like,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: you got it, bro. I believe in you.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: Knee shaking a little bit. I'm trying to get the
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: crowd fired up, telling them, what did they say? You
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: won't be able to tackle, what did I say? Desmond Bishop?
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Deshaun. Deshaun Bishop. Yeah, I know. I'm like, Desmond Bishop.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Everybody's like, it's fucking Deshaun. Who's Desmond Bishop? Oh, man.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: Just on the category of pay him. as high as
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: Jack was last week. Both his team getting two big wins.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: We already talked about Tennessee in the college football recap.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I have my.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: Clock right here. I have a stopwatch. I'm going to
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: set it for 45 seconds once I start it. You're
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: on the clock. Anything you want, Tennessee Titans, ready, set, go.
• 31:12
  Speaker 8: If you don't know Payne, it's like if both of
• 31:14
  Speaker 8: your teams lose on walk-off field goals, 27-24, you don't
• 31:19
  Speaker 8: know Payne. And at this point, it's like the offense
• 31:22
  Speaker 8: finally has production. Tony Pollard, another... He had three touchdowns.
• 31:26
  Speaker 8: He scored two touchdowns on the Browns the last time
• 31:28
  Speaker 8: we met. Offense felt like they were producing. Defense did not.
• 31:33
  Speaker 8: They lacked there. The egregious no call on the offsides
• 31:37
  Speaker 8: for the Browns with 20 seconds left is disgusting. So
• 31:41
  Speaker 8: many different referee situations that I could tinfoil hat about.
• 31:44
  Speaker 8: And that's just where it is. This is our fourth
• 31:46
  Speaker 8: game that we've lost on the last drive of the
• 31:48
  Speaker 8: game as Titans.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: We have the Bengals away next week. It's Monday. That's it? Yeah.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Okay, you are- A tough Bengals team too. Obviously, the
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Ravens didn't have Lamar Jackson, but they handled business. They're
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: off to their best start since 21.
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: Off to their best start since 21. They went to
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: the Super Bowl, you were two. Yeah, it's tough, dude. It's,
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: oh yeah, I mean, who's this, Broly?
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Brolio?
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Not ashamed to say- Yeah, storage beers, hashtag tear talk.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: He just wants people to know, speaking of the Bengals,
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  Speaker 4: And to be honest, I can't disagree with this guy.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, Joe Burrow, most handsome guy in the league.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got the juice too.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: I haven't gotten to like be around the aura that
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  Speaker 3: you had at the Super Bowl, but it seems like
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  Speaker 3: he's got the juice to go with it.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he body bagged me pretty good at the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 4: Just keeps you wanting more, dude. Treat him like dirt,
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  Speaker 4: stick to you like mud. He did that to me
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: and it's worked. It's worked quite a bit. Shout out
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  Speaker 7: Dude.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on in the NFL, man?
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: Oh, nevermind.
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  Speaker 3: Tell you what's going on in the NFL or fantasy
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  Speaker 3: football league.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, our way of shockers are in ninth place right now, dude.
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  Speaker 2: Ghost, is that Delaney?
• 34:30
  Speaker 8: That's Delaney and Mitch, but Mitch doesn't have a login,
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  Speaker 8: so he's going to make an excuse.
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  Speaker 5: You guys are 0-6? Yeah, they're winning this week.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you guys are getting your first win.
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: We've got a good team. Ryan has tried to send
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: me the invite to the league. That was in Europe
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: when you guys did the draft.
• 34:43
  Speaker 10: I truly have not gotten an email from Ryan or
• 34:47
  Speaker 10: else I wouldn't be in there trying to make the Ghostface.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: Game look a little bit better.
• 34:55
  Speaker 8: Have you asked Delaney for his login, maybe?
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: No.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: All right. Sounds like you did some of the work.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: On a 2027. You didn't overturn every single stone. No, yeah.
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: There's definitely some more things I could have done. There's
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: still time, too.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, dude.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: Seeing the all-way shockers at the bottom, man. It's sick.
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: Every week, we're putting up 170 points, and then other
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: teams are just going off right now, dude.
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: Who's in first? Danny Durkin and Matty O.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Candice. What's their team?
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: Candice.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Candice. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead, Sherm. Candice. Dude,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: a couple things happened.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: Hold on. Go ahead, Sherm.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Candice, Dick, Fit, In Your Mouth. Okay, Sherm.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: All right, Sherm.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Just catch up, dude. Come on, man. What are you doing, man?
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: A couple games to note or headlines to note. Seems
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: like Fernando Mendoza could be getting looked at.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you what, the cleanest take, the cleanest Kevin's
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: Natural Foods take that I saw was the way Kirk
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: Cousins handled himself on the podium.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: A true professional sat there, understood what the situation was.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: It's the exact same as it was when he first
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: got there in March. Nothing but a pro's pro. Nothing
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: but a guy's guy. And when Fernando Mendoza has a
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: lot of success, he'll have to attribute a lot of
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: that to Kirk Cousins and his leadership, his rookie season.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: Because that was really cool to see. As much as
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: ego is played in the NFL, as much as people
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: want to put themselves on this giant pedestal, Kirk Cousins,
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: who's seen a lot, done a lot, trials and tribulations,
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: all of it, very impressed by him as a man.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Amen. Clean take. Clean take. Kevin's Natural Foods, clean take.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: Dude, Seahawks shutting down Kenneth Walker. Oh, you know Kenneth Walker.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, his emotions on the sideline, you could just
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: tell how frustrated he was. But him not getting going
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: against his former team?
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's tough to see, man. I can't believe they
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: shut him down that way. I can't believe Kansas City
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: got punched in the face like that.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Seattle's defense is good, man.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: For him to walk off the field and not shake
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: anybody's hand or nothing. I mean, I'm sure he wants
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: that one back in a lot of ways because your
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: anger is not with the players. It's probably not even
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: with the head coaches. It's with the GM and the
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: people that make the decisions and offer you the contracts.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: Not those guys.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Not your boys, man. Not your boys, dude. It's all right, dude.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: It's an emotional game. Kind of tough to go right
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: to this after Kirk Cousins, but hey, something.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: To learn from. Something to learn from.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: What else we got, fellas?
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: Niners get their first loss. Vikings stay undefeated against the Colts.
• 37:35
  Speaker 10: I saw a stat we were doing last night with
• 37:38
  Speaker 10: a first-league chase. The Vikings have 13 red zone trips
• 37:42
  Speaker 10: this entire season.
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: The only team with less are the Browns and the Dolphins.
• 37:49
  Speaker 10: I truly, I think, Kyler Murray is going for four
• 37:53
  Speaker 10: touchdowns this entire season.
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: I truly do not know how they are up to.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: That defense, bro. It's insane. Blitzing, what, 60% of the time?
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: I think they blitz Daniel.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: Jones 85% of the shotbacks.
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: Golly.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: And they go up against Sherm in the rundown.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Oh, I remember what I was going to say. Yo,
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: Chargers still being winless. There was a funny video. that
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: was going around made with AI. It was like, uh,
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Justin Herbert and Jeremiah Smith singing a song together. Like
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: how they're just in the, they're, they're the front runner
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: for getting Jeremiah Smith. It was just an all-time video.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: All-time video. So I just wanted to shout out that video.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: That'd be a great gift for the Chargers. Massive gift
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: for the Chargers.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Do what?
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: If the Chargers have the number one overall pick, you
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: can take it with Jeremiah Smith.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that or they. You can get that big time receiver, bro. Yeah.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: It just depends.
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: Like there's probably, I mean, If you're the Chargers, you
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: don't need a quarterback. And what, Mestermaker's probably QB1 by now?
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: You just need your O-line to stay healthy.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, your O-line's good. They just have to stay healthy,
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: but they don't. Like, yeah, you're probably going to take
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: another weapon. Best available if you're in that position. And
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: Jeremiah Smith is absolutely best available. But yeah, it's... Is
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: this the video you saw?
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was funny.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: Hey, I don't like the way that angle is.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Some of those videos you're watching, you just have a
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: smile on your face. Like you're not laughing, but you
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: are laughing internally.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: I didn't like the way they portrayed Jeremiah Smith in
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: that video.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: Like that at all the hand the hand brushing against
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: the neck.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: Hey shout out that video man shout out the video
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: though man no free shout outs.
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: Packers follow the Lions.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: Ravens suck without Lamar in that one yeah anyway same
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: shit same shit different week same.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: Shit different week I love the difference of enthusiasm between
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: NFL and college same shit bro 49ers versus the Falcons
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: NFL isn't near as exciting as college football no but
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: it's so funny because like 49ers were undefeated until they
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: played the Falcons and who amongst us would have thought
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: it yeah that the Falcons would beat the 49ers that's
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: the NFL man that's how it goes bust with the
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: boys tweets welcome back Jeff tickets dude scroll down james
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: lee says shane gillis next biopic movie roll hashtag to
• 40:27
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• 40:30
  Speaker 4: take come on james lee that was funny that's kind
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: of a clean take should we.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: Dive into alex smith yeah uh here we go hashtag
• 40:38
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• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah let's dive in.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: Alex smith let's get an alex smith dude enjoy this
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• 40:48
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• 40:49
  Speaker 2: We've done in a long time. Yeah.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: We'll get him on the bus. We need to get
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: him on the bus with Delaney Walker.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Because again, he did a callback to the Justin Smith.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Yes. Debacle.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: Furniture on fire at Joe Staley's house.
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  Speaker 4: Let's get into this episode with Alex Smith. Ladies and gentlemen,
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  Speaker 4: a guest today was this first overall pick, an individual
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  Speaker 4: that went to the University of Utah, Comeback Player of
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  Speaker 4: the Year. This guy's seen it, done it all. He's
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  Speaker 4: week on NFL Sunday Countdown between 12 a.m. and 1 p.m.
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  Speaker 4: Eastern on ESPN. Let's give a round of applause for
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: Alex Smith, dude. Electro Sack to have you. Thank you, fellas.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Thanks.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: Great to be on. I'm glad you're fired up as
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: much as we are. I know this is, I don't
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: know if you know about our program, but we're a very,
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: we're high level journalism type of program.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: No, I know.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: We ask the hard hitting questions. So instead of me
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: getting around this foundational piece, I'd like to just get
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: right into the nitty gritty. What are your thoughts on Halloween?
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: Where are you at on that as a holiday?
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: I told you, dude.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: You thought I was joking. Like that's real deal.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: You're in the prime of our season. October is referred
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: to as spooktober. Like this is some of the prime
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: of busing with the boys right now.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: If I could show you my front yard, like at
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: night lit up, like what my wife has done. I mean,
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: the lights and decorations. I mean, we have like a
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: 25 foot skeleton. Hell yeah. In our front driveway. Home
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Depot runners. What do you think? You love that.
• 45:55
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: No, it's like, I mean, are we asking, is it
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: the number two holiday, the number three holiday? Like, where
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: does it fall?
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: I'm assuming you're saying that because 4th of July is
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: your one, correct?
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, clearly.
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: 4th of July.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: You got them both over Christmas? No, Christmas is one.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Come on. Okay, okay, okay.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: The holiday.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, Festivus is the, you know, it's number one. No,
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: and then is October 2, is it Thanksgiving? I mean,
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: what do you got? You know, you guys obviously, 4th
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: of July.
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you, you, you're born in the
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: freest country in the world, the land of opportunity. Like
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: you got to tip the cap every 4th of July weekend, brother,
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: tank tops, a little bit of, uh, playing some bags,
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: barbecues on the outdoors, American flags waving everywhere.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: We need it.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: You know, we got to have it.
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: I hear you.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: The problem is it's just like, it's also in the summer.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: So that could be every other day of summer. You
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying? So it doesn't necessarily like stand out.
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: They do.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: That's a hell of an argument actually. That's a fair point.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: That's a fair assessment.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: We were talking on the bus and you know, some
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: sleeper Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving. Sleeper Thanksgiving. Couldn't agree more.
• 46:58
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: You love a good Thanksgiving. Especially now that you get
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: to experience it. Yeah, exactly. But football and Thanksgiving go
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: hand in hand. Was there anything better? If you were
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: in high school and you had practice on Thanksgiving, it
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: kind of meant you were in the playoffs, you were
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: still rolling. So you're going to watch some NFL games. No,
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: eat some amazing food. Yeah, that's true. And you get
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: the four-day weekend. Yeah. Now it's a whole week, by
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: the way. Now I feel like my kids like out
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: of school for the entire week. So that probably bumps
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: it up even more. How many, how many kids do
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: you have? Three, three kids. And that probably goes back to, again,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: to back to your Halloween question. When the kids were
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: little in like prime kind of Hollywood, I mean, Halloween phase,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: like it was way up there. Like, I love that
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: as a dad, like going with your kids. Problem is
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: now I've got like 15, 13 and 10 kids. So
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: my daughter's still really into it, my youngest, but my
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: boys are, you know, now they're like lame, too cool.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: Dude, dude, what is that phase like for you? So
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: I got nine, six, and then three months old, but
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: they're all girls. I can't make a boy. No, it's
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: impossible for me. That's not the question. I was just
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: really just trauma dumping on you. But like when your kids,
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: when they learn about the Santa situation, when they figure
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: out the Halloween's not cool, what does that do for
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: you as a dad? Like, does that affect you as
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: negatively as I think it's going to affect me?
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Uh, yes. Cause it like, it just goes like when
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: you're in it, like right now you're in it, right? Like,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, you got a, you got a young one,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: like you got, you're juggling the other two. Like, you're
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: just like trying to keep your head above water. You're
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: trying to get through a day at times, like a week.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: And I feel like I was in that. And then like,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: and you hear this so often, I feel like I
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: had people tell me this and you just like, don't
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: believe it. And then like, like that, it like flipped.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh shit, I got a, I
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: have a son that's going to be a freshman who
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: he's a sophomore now. But like now all of a
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: sudden you're like, oh my God, I only have three
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: more years with him. And again, like the magic of
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: those things, the magic of Halloween, the magic of Christmas,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: like once it's gone, like it's not coming back. It's
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: not the same. It's not the same, you know, like.
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Do you have any, do you have some, do you
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: have a couple of ballplayers? My oldest plays, my oldest plays,
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: my oldest is a sophomore. He's playing QB, he's starting
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: quarterback on JV. So, which is like, it's such a,
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: it's such a weird thing. Um, as a dad that
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: has played, you know, and like, I just don't want
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: pressure or expectations. Like I, like I played quarterback, I
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: played JV quarterback my sophomore year, but like when I
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: started playing quarterback in high school, there weren't like expectations.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Like I just loved playing high school football. Like I like, sure,
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: maybe I dreamt about trying to play college football. I
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: sure as hell never thought, imagined my wildest dreams I'd
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: ever play pro. It's like, I just never had those
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: expectations hanging over me. And I just got to kind
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: of like enjoy every day. Like I got to enjoy
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: every phase. Whereas I like worry that it's like, oh,
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: somehow he thinks that this is realistic, right? Like it's
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: so crazy. Like there's so many breaks, you know, for
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: all of us, like looking back that ever like we
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: ended up getting to do what we did, you know?
• 50:06
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: And then, um, is he, how is it for you,
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: you know, getting involved, not getting too involved? Does he
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: want me involved? It seems like he's interested, but now
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: it doesn't seem like he is interested. Like, do you
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: want to watch film? He kind of asked me to
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: watch film, but do I want to take him to
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: the next level? Do I want to put that in
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: his ear? What is that balance? Like having a QB
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: as a.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Son, Will I do that internal dialogue you just did
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: all the time? All the time. Am I doing too much?
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: Am I doing enough?
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Like, cause the other thing is like the environment I
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: feel like has changed. Like it is very competitive. Like
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: there are private QB coaches that have been training kids
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: all over the country since they were like five years old,
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: you know, they all, they're all reclassed. So like, he's not,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: he's super young for his grade anyway, but like he
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: goes to school with kids that like earn his grade.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: They're like 18 months older, you know? And it's like, well,
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: we're just, you're not doing it, dude. Like that's just
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: the deal. yeah and um so it's not like it
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: had that wasn't i don't feel like that was like
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: when we were growing up like i don't remember that
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: being a thing like no.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: You just played ball and hung out and it's like
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: oh this kid's really good and then you get older
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: it's like oh he didn't grow any at all we'll
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: just keep.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: It but you had like had time to develop it
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: wasn't like there wasn't such a rush yeah.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: I feel like when you were obsessed with it too
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: like i'll just i'll speak for myself it's like you
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: had aspirations of playing at a bigger level, college, NFL. Oh, 100%.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: The access that I had was like, whether it's documentaries
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: or just watching the games, or you hear a coach
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: or a player speak on TV, you want to be
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: a sponge to all of it because it's like, this
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: is the amount of access that I have. Like maybe
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: Brian Dawkins' Weapon X videos on YouTube. But knowing that
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: your old man was a ballplayer- I feel like if
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: I was obsessed with it, like I would maybe, I
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: don't know, I would think like I would try and
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: be leaning on dad a little bit, but then dad,
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: you have that whole balance of, man, it seems like
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: you want to be great, but how, hey, if you
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: want to be great, let's go into the backyard right now.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: We could start hitting the drills and seeing things a
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: different way.
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: I remember being after my sophomore year and like we
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: won state and I was like, oh, I want to
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: play football forever. And so my junior year, we would
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: drive down, me and like five guys would get in
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: Anthony Stevens' truck and we'd drive down to Scottsdale and
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: have like private sprinting training. And I thought, I'm unlocking.
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: the most impossible thing ever right now by doing some
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: different speed training and strength training isolated outside of the
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: high school for a little bit. But your son's got
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: Alex Smith, first overall pick, one of the coolest dads
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: in the world. Does your son ever give you the
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: vibe that he doesn't think you're cool? Do you struggle
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: with what a lot of normal dads struggle with?
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes, without a doubt. That's what even like blow
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: you off. Like, you don't know what you're talking about.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: No way. No way. On the football field. Sometimes. Yeah.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: Heck yeah. He's like, you know, I'm like, all right.
• 53:01
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: And that's where you go back and forth and like.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: I want so badly. I just want to be, you know, like,
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: I want to stay in the dad category. Like, I
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: don't want, like, we've all heard the horror stories of
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: like sports dad, like doing too much. And, you know,
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: and again, they're like, dude, that's the last thing I want,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: but I also want to be around. Like my dad
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: used to coach my dad. He had then become a principal,
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: but he was like my high school principal. And so
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: he was there and he was involved in like, it
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: was amazing. We got super close through high school. Like again,
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: cause he was like, obviously knew everything going on in
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: my social life. And like, again, um, was around, And
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: so how do you strike that balance, you know?
• 53:39
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: You have the face of a man who's watching one
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: of their kids walk by a bunch right now.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: No, no, no.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: They're in school. Just thinking, pondering, you know? I got you.
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: If your son starts to really get it done and
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: offers start to come in and he rushes into your room,
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: the room you're sitting in right now one day as
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: you're studying for ESPN to doing that. And he goes, dad, dad,
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: you're not going to believe it. BYU just offered me
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: a scholarship. Kalani Sataki at Crumble Cookies. They just, they
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: offered me a scholarship. Where does your brain go as
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: a father? Oh man, it's tough.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: It's tough.
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously like, listen, I'm representing right here, right?
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Like there's no, like the holy war, right? I, you know,
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: it's a church versus the state, dude. I'm not a
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: fan of, you know, BYU, but I like, I respect
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: the program. You know, Kalani was at Utah for a
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: long time. I know him. I don't know how I've
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: never thought about this, Taylor, until you just asked that
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: question right now. I'd be ecstatic for my son that
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: he like, this is something he's working for. And again,
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: you get this, that kind of affirmation, you know, coming
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: from a guy like I only had one college scholarship offer, right? Like,
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: you know. To get that kind of feedback, but from BYU,
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'd be probably pretty torn.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: Now, are they Utah fans?
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Are they Utah? Yeah, hell yeah.
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: Oh, so you don't have to run into this hypothetical
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: at all.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it could happen.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: If BYU is like the only offer, but if it
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: was Utah and BYU.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, I guess the NIO, it's different. It's a different world.
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: Now, man. Utah's got private equity and they got all
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: the things. They're going to be able to compete. They're
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: going to be able to compete.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: BYU's got deep pockets. I know, man. It's just crazy.
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: Because you'd never think, no disrespect to Utah or BYU,
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: but in this day and age of football, those are
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: not two schools that come to front of mind that
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: would be like, okay, they're going to be able to
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: play with the big dogs. You know what I'm saying?
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: These are like whack schools for me growing up, right?
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Like I watched them play and then they went, you know,
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: and then Mountain West, which is what I played in.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: And it's crazy to see that how much they've both elevated, right?
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: And like college game day going, I mean, it was
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: in BYU last weekend. It is at Utah this weekend.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: It's crazy that on a national scene that they've kind
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: of risen to this level.
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: Dude, and how long did it take you? Because you
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: said you had one scholarship offer. You go to Utah.
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: You have Urban Meyer, which is crazy lucky to have
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: that guy for two years. And then you have Kyle Whittingham.
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: How long did it take you to buy into the
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: holy war? To buy into the hatred?
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's immediate. It was immediate. Yeah. Well, this is
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: the crazy part. I had one scholarship offer. Dude, my
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: high school running back was this guy named Reggie Bush. Holy,
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: are you serious? I didn't even know that. Every school
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: in the country, every college in the country, every college
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: head coach was like on our campus constantly. It was
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: like a movie, right? Like recruiting Reggie. And you're like
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: over there, you're like, hey, look over here, you know,
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: like check me out. And like all of them, every
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: single one was like, nah, we're good. No shit. Except one,
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: Utah was the only school that offered me. So yeah,
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: and then there's the crazy part. It's not Urban Meyer.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: Urban didn't recruit me. guy named Ron McBride offers me,
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: I go up my freshman year. He gets fired two
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: months into my freshman year. Right. Like, and I, I
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: got lied. I mean, I feel like I got deceived.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: I got pulled out of my red shirt. I played
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: seven plays my freshman year. One of them was a
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: pick six. Okay. I burned, I burned my whole freshman year.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: I feel like I got lied to as far as
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: playing time. I'm like, this is a disaster. The only
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: coach in the country that thought I was good enough.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: for a scholarship, just got fired. This guy's like, you know,
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: shit can. And then we hired this dude named Urban
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: Meyer I'd never heard of from Bowling Green. And obviously again,
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: you hit it. You want to talk about lucky, like
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: as far as timing goes, right? Like to be in
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: that moment at that right time, right? Like we rolled
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: the next two years. Kyle Whittingham was our D coordinator.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: It was phenomenal. And we just, you know.
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: What was your experience with Urban? Like when he obviously leaves,
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: I'm sure you're heartbroken that he's leaving Utah.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: To go to Florida.
• 57:45
  Speaker 7: Florida.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Did you think like, Oh, he's gonna, he's gonna
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: go win it.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: This is yeah.
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: He was, I mean, he was unbelievable.
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: And like, we were running stuff back then. Like it
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: was like zone read was revolutionary. I mean, people had
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: never seen the zone read, right. Like spread option stuff.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: Like they'd like, this was like blowing people's minds. And
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: then when he left to go to Florida, I still
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: had eligibility. I mean, I was thinking I was coming back. Right.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: And then when him deciding to leave was kind of
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: spurred me electing to and again like never thought it
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: would happen but that's when i elected to go and
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: enter the draft so which is crazy guys then i
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: got drafted that year i was 20 years old i
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: was only two and a half years removed from like
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: getting one scholarship offer and all of a sudden you're
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: drafted number one no way yo that is uh it
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: was an.
• 58:26
  Speaker 11: Insane ride insane insane ride now were you or now
• 58:30
  Speaker 11: is is coach meyer is he talking to you throughout
• 58:34
  Speaker 11: that process or was it kind of a surprise when
• 58:36
  Speaker 11: he he dipped because you said you you were probably
• 58:39
  Speaker 11: going to come back.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: No i knew he was like being courted i mean
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: every every school in the country at that point like
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: everybody thought he was going to notre dame right like
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: that was kind of the rumor like he was going
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: to go back to notre dame which was where he
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: was an assistant i mean obviously his name's urban man
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: he named after a pope like you know like everybody
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: kind of assumed that was a done deal and then
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: florida swooped in and and got him but um No,
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, he knew he was going to roll. And
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: then everything kind of happened fast. I don't even remember
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: even thinking that it was a possibility that I could
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: get drafted at that point. I was just completely naive
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: to it. And then all of a sudden, it kind
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: of presented itself. First overall pick. Yeah, I mean, that's-
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: It's just crazy. It's bizarre. You got to be.
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: Wildly naive to be like, oh, I can go to
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: the NFL. It's like, no, you could be the first
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: guy taken. It's not like going to the NFL. Did Whittingham,
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: how quickly after Urban left- Did Whittingham, were they like,
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: was it kind of like Ole Miss last year where like,
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: Lane Kiffin's like barely even on the plane. They're like,
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: be golden, that's our guy right there. So it was
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: that fast. You have a relationship with Whittingham. Did he
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: come to you at all and be like, hey, we'll
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: have one more?
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. How'd that conversation go? I remember going to
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: his house. Like I've known Kyle Whittingham since I was
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: 18 years old. I like to think about this. Like
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: I've known him so long. And again, yeah, I mean,
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: that was it. Like I had eligibility. And so I
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: remember going to his house and meeting with him. And again,
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: this is, he's going to be a first time head coach, right?
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Like he was still, this is, I mean, God, this
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: is like aging myself. This is a long time ago.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 7: You know?
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: And right, like, did I want to come back for
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: one year or was I ready? Like, you're trying to
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: play this game, you know? And for some reason, I
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: fucking decided to come out. Don't know. I said, see
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: you later.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 13: If you could go back, would you go back? And
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 13: I mean, you're the first overall pick, so probably not. Dude,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 13: I was such a late bloomer, Will. Like, I was
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 13: such a late bloomer. I had no business certainly playing
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 13: as a rookie in the NFL that young, like 2021. Like,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 13: I was like, I mean, dude, so I left, let
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 13: me put this in perspective. We played the Fiesta Bowl.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: We went undefeated. You know, again, I was like a
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy finalist. When I declared to go out, you know,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: you go into the combine training. And so I went
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: down to IMG Academy and I remember weighing in and
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: I weighed in at 198 pounds. No way. Like, yeah.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: First day of training. By a combine, like I was like,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: you know, 219, I'd put on like 20 pounds. But like,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: I was just such, I was like still a baby.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: I was like, I mean.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: You haven't even fully developed at that point yet. How
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: soon did you know, by the way, Braden's in Florida, IMG.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: I trained for the combine there too. What an elite
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: establishment that place is. Absolutely incredible. But how quickly did
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: you know that you're going to be the first overall pick?
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: Because I feel like back then, back in your day,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: there was kind of like a three, four days before
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: that's like, okay, Alex Smith is going to be taken first.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: And like all but unofficially, the second team is now
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: on the clock, right?
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It was again, this is back when you can
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: negotiate like contracts. Yeah. Like before you got drafted, like
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: you could have some of that stuff pre-done. And so
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: the Niners had the first pick and had brought in
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: and were negotiating. So it was Aaron and I certainly
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: were the two QBs and there were a couple of
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: position players. I think Braylon Edwards was one of them.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: And I forget who else. And again, it'd been like
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: trying to negotiate pre-draft and if they could get a
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: deal done or kind of get us down at a
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: certain price, like potentially you get taken first. And the
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: Dolphins had the number two pick. this is the Nick
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: Saban dolphins. And I, I tripped there obviously. And they
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: basically said that we're going to take you if you're available.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: And so my agent, Tom Condon, um, basically told the
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Niners like, listen, we'll go to Florida. No state income taxes.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: It'll be a raise anyway. So why don't you guys like,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: you know, kind of told him to kick rocks. And, uh,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: at that point they, they cut off negotiations with everybody.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: And so it became apparent. It was like literally like
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: a week before the draft. It was like, he was
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: like very blunt. He's like, they're going to take you. Dude.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: You said, you said a name to me just now
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: that like made my heart sing. So Tom Conda represented
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: me as well.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Yep. Yep.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: And I remember being at Michigan when I was playing
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: the game of like, do I come back for another year?
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: Do I not end up coming back for my senior year?
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: But I remember talking to a guy named Chris Singletary.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: He was, he worked at CA or worked with Tom before.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: And he's, I'm like, Hey, like how does the agent
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: process work? He goes, don't even worry about that. Like
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: we've already got one for you. And I'm like, what
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: do you, I probably should like interview some of these people.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: And I go and meet with Tom Condon, like his
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: hair slicked back, suits just a half size too small.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: And like every.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: Girl I dated in that period, they would meet him too.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: And they'd be like, he's hot for like, what is he, 60?
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: Like this dude was just an absolute killer. I had
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: an incident in summer with one of our quarterbacks. Somebody
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: punched him in a bar. So I punched that guy
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: at the bar and the Titans call and they're like, hey,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: we're gonna have to renegotiate this contract when this is
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: new CBA. And Tom hits him with, well, he just
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: protected your quarterback, which you paid him to do. If anything,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: he needs a raise right now. And that contract is
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: done in two days. Was he not just the man?
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: Did you have him the whole time?
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: It was amazing. He's an old old lineman, right? Played
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: in the league forever, became a lawyer. Like he was awesome.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: Like him and Gene Upshaw, I represented him. He represented
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: the refs. Like he had like, and it was like
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: same thing. Like I remember there wasn't even really a
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: question when I came out, like who I was going
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: to go with. It was like, oh, this guy's Peyton
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: Manning and Eli Manning. And like there were all these
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: long list of guys that had gone early. And then again,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: he was just such like a real dude, but yeah,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: it was same thing. Same thing. Like just go to
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: war for you.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: What was the situation? Uh, who's the head coach at
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: San Francisco?
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: So Mike Nolan had just been hired first time head coach. Uh,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: and basically I think kind of like quasi GM and
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: Scott McLuhan, uh, was kind of head of personnel. It
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: was like full regime change. The Niners had won two
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: games the year before, but they only beat one team.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: They beat the Arizona Cardinals twice. So it was like, uh,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: And sometimes the number one pick team isn't that bad,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: but like it was like full overhaul, like just clear
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: everything out, start over.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: And was the substation already there when you, when you
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: showed up on day one?
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: The substation was there, dude. I played the whole, whole
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: career substation was there. Yep.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: I remember it well. Even back then it was like,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: it obviously hadn't become what it is today, but like
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: guys still talked about it. Like, Hey, like, is this like,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: is there energy coming off of this thing? Like there
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: used to be some guys like, I don't think, I
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: don't know if it was like Brandon Lloyd or somebody.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: Would I wear these like necklaces that had crystal and
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: something in it that he'd said would protect him from
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: the substation? Hell yeah. I think so. Like even back then,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: like guys would kind of have jokes or play around
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: with it, but. Now it's, now it's blown up. Now
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: it's a big deal.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: It's a bit of a headline now. Apparently it also
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: helps you be undefeated. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: 6-0 is also a nice deal. And dude, you had
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: five OCs in five years. Is that, am I correct?
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: Seven, seven and seven.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: Seven and seven. So clearly you're 198 pounds. Then you're 219.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: You come in, you're a late bloomer.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: Defensive minded head coach.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: Defensive minded head coach. How are you, like, how long
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: did it take you to realize like, okay, this is
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: not a normal circumstance in the NFL. However, I need
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: to make the best of the circumstances I have.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, again, like it was like, like to call
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: it dysfunctional would be polite, right? Like the organization, like
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: seven coordinators in seven years. Can you like think of
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: a bigger disaster for your, like, you know, you just
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: spent the number one pick on a quarterback. Like, Hey,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: how can we like create some stability for this guy
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: and let him grow?
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 7: You know?
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: Like, I mean, no, it was a disaster. It was
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: an absolute disaster, right? Like the roster was turned over.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: Like I'll never forget, you know, you do the final
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: cut down and you like got your 53 again, as
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: my rookie, you're like, Oh, these are the 53 guys
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: were like, we're going with, right? Like through the season
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: and no, it's like when you're the bottom end of
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: the league, like there were like five or six new
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: teammates every week, right? Like those guys just like got cut,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: grind new ones in. Like we, if anybody got released
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: on another team, like we signed them, right? Like it
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: was just like constant change. And no, I think the
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: biggest thing also like going on this entire time. And
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: I bet this was like the, the, the biggest thing
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: I think for my career, especially that moment, I had
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: been the underdog my entire life. Like when I stepped
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: on the field in high school, like no one expected
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: anything of me, right? Like again, late bloomer, like couldn't
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: get recruited, right? Finally got one scholarship. When I got
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: to Utah, like I didn't have any rankings. I didn't
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: have any stars. Like again, there were like zero expectations.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: I went to the Mountain West, right? Like I played
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: with a lot of freedom up until that point and
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: like fearlessness. And then all of a sudden you're the
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: number one pick. And it's like, dude, the expectation is
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: John Elway, right? The expectation is Peyton Manning. And then
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: you get drafted to the San Francisco 49ers. And it's like,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, it's also Joe Montana and Steve Young, right?
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: And when you're 20, and again, for me, like the
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: flip of this was like, dude, once I got drafted, right?
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: Like you like looked around Taylor and it was like,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: how long until they find out they made a mistake?
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Like, that's like what's going
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: on in your head. And you're like, dude, I gotta
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: be perfect, right? Like I like, well, all of a
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: sudden it flipped on me and it's like, I walked
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: around I'm like, dude, I gotta be the face of
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: the franchise. I gotta be perfect, right? Like everything I do,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: I gotta protrude strength all the time, right? Like I
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: gotta be what they are expecting. And that like messed
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: with me bad. Cause like all of a sudden now
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: you step on the field and you're like tiptoeing, right?
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: Like you're like trying not to screw up. You're like
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: terrified of failure. And I spent several years like that.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: Just like trying to like gut through that, pretend like
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: I wasn't, that wasn't happening, right? Like that I was like,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: you know, and again, you feel pretty alone. Like you're
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: the only one dealing with this stuff, especially as the quarterback.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: And it wasn't until like several years later, dude, I
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: finally like flipped like some teammates and coaches helping to
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: like get back to a place of like, no, let's
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: go play free, man. Right. Like, let's go like, you know, again,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: obviously it means a lot to all of us, but
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: getting to a place on the field where you can
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: like cut it loose.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: You mentioned coaches and players, um, get on the coaches aspect.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: Who was like the, who were those few coaches or
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: maybe who was the first like offensive mind that helped
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: you kind of unlock like a new way of seeing
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: the game at the NFL level?
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah um i mean i had some great coordinators like
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: over those seven right like north turner was awesome right
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: like i got mike martz like there were some guys
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: that were like super innovative and i learned a ton
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: from from like a technical aspect right like x's and
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: o's and quarterbacking but like jim jim harbaugh for sure
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: yeah it was like the one when he came in
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: everything changed well without a.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: Doubt what was different about him other than what we
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: all see publicly like we.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: See yeah like so again like yeah i mean this
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: guy played first off he played quarterback for 15 years
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: in the nfl right like i grew up in san
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: diego he played i remember him watching him play for
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: the chargers right like and this is a guy that
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: i think had lived it and certainly we saw success
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: up until that point i mean he'd had a ton
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: of success at stanford and here he comes to the
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: niners and like Again, like to take like where I
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: was at that point, consumed. I was consumed with what
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: other people thought about me, right? Like all I wanted
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: to do was like validate my draft status again. And
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: it like, I felt like I walked around with like
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: this weight, right? Like it just like haunted me 24 seven.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: And then I think if there was an amazing thing
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: about Jim Harbaugh is like, he really does not care
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: what other people think about him, right? Like this guy
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: like tucks his sweatshirt into his pleated khakis and like
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: doesn't give a shit what other people think, right? Like
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: he says crazy stuff. And so This certainly was like
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: refreshing from that standpoint to like have that proximity to
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: a guy that like really didn't care.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: And then like he, I mean like the gratefulness stuff, right?
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: Like the who's got it better than us. Like that
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: stuff's hokey. And like, even before the game, like he'd
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: say the same thing. It was like, play as hard
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: as you can, as fast as you can for as
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: long as you can. And don't worry.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: Like the last two words he told the team before
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: he'd run out of the tunnel, every single game, we're like,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: don't worry. All I had been doing was just worrying.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: Just worrying about all this stuff. Dude, I think the
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: combination of all of that, being around him pre-game, he's
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: jacking you up before the game. You're about to run
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: out as a quarterback and this guy's smacking you around.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: There was this gratefulness. You could see how much he
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: missed playing. It really hit me all at that point
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: that none of this stuff is guaranteed anymore. Again, to
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: get back to a place of playing free and being
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: grateful for it. Like, whereas prior again, early on in
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: my career, it was like heavy. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: Like game days were hard. Like you didn't necessarily like
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: look forward to them. Certainly we sucked. I sucked. Right.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: Like it was like a combination of all that stuff. So,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: but Jim, Jim for sure from a mindset change, like
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: super impactful in my career. The charges might be worrying
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: every time they step on the field. Dude, I can't
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: believe what's going on there. I cannot believe what's going
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: on there.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: Like, I don't even know what to make of it.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: It's almost like when McDaniel came over to the Chargers
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: and like Herbert, all the stuff, it's almost like, oh,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: this is going to be, it's going to be a
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: team that'll be in the playoffs.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: They should win the West.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: Super difficult division.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: They should be contenders in the Super Bowl. They should
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: be all the things.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: What's weird is like they started to build that bully, right?
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: Like all those old linemen, right? Like that's like the
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: Harbaugh model, man. We're going to like build it up front.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: We're going to run the football. We're going to play
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: good defense. And then you add like Justin Herbert to
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: the mix and you're like, dude, this is a formula
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: that's going to win a lot of games every year.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: And then this year, like, dude, those tackles are out again. Like,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying? It's like, well, that's great.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: We got these two all world tackles. Like they'd never play. Right. Like,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know, honestly, like, again, they could bring in
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: the Mike McDaniels things. Like clearly like that hasn't been
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: a fit for Herbert. Right. Like doing some of the
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: pistol stuff that like the quick handoff kind of things.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: but like, I also don't know, like, look at the
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: 10 guys in the huddle right now when he steps
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: into the huddle, like, do you know what I'm saying? Like,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's, are those 10 dudes, like,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: he's not playing with any other like killers in there, right?
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: Like there's no guys right now in that huddle when
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: you look at who he's throwing to, who's blocking for him, right?
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: Like obviously they have the young back in Hampton, but like,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: He hasn't... You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, good backs are only as good as your offensive
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: line when you have as many guys.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 8: Totally.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: You lose a setter during camp who is one of
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: your big free agent acquisitions. You have two tackles you
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: just said that were out. So you can have all
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: the best running backs in the world, but if you're
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: getting hit behind the line of scrimmage, there's no game
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: you can play.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 8: Totally.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: The thing that's so interesting to me about the Chargers,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: and it might just be because I'm not tapped into
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: their Reddit threads, but it feels like even though they're
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: defeated on the season, there doesn't seem like as much.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: If this was a.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: If this was the Ravens or if this was the Chiefs,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: it would just be like, well, Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: But it doesn't necessarily feel to me like people are like,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: Justin Herbert is the issue here, which just kind of
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: seems different than any other team.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: I think some are. Some people are going to be
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: But it would be an overwhelming typhoon type of wave
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: on this is Justin Herbert's issue on other teams. And
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: I just don't understand why it's not as loud.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: I think you hit the nail on the head i
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: think there's like this conversation around justin herbert and it's
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: like well there's a bunch of justin herbert apologists and
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: then there's a bunch of people that are like calling
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: what it is and like where do you fall on
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: this deal like it's hard to also i mean again
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: we can take the playoffs into account like has he
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: won a big game i think we could say that
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: about a lot of freaking hall of fame quarterbacks right
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: like there's you know again like that's haunting josh it
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: haunts lamar like is there any doubt that these guys
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: are great like no um But with Justin, again, you
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: see like the physical talent and he like, this guy
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: busted into the league, right? Like and played awesome for,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: he's played awesome for several years. And I know this
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: year has been a disaster, but it's hard to like
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: ignore that stuff too. You know what I'm saying? And again,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: as a quarterback, you're such a product of the people
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: around you. You're such a product of the situation and
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: scheme that you're running. And I would say that like
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: right now, like those things are not very good for
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: the Chargers, especially on offense. On top of that, like
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: Justin's not playing good, right? And like that's, So it's
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: like a little bit of both. I think he's phenomenal.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: I think he's really good. And if you put him
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: in a good situation with good players, I think those
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: tools that he has would shine. And right now, you
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: can point the finger in a lot of places is
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Do you ever feel like.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: Being an ESPN analyst now, being in the shoes that
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: a Herbert has been and Lamar, all these guys... where
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: the spotlight's constantly- I.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: Wish I'd been in Lamar's shoes. I wish I had
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: that skill set. I wish I could trade legs with Lamar. Yeah,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: no doubt. No doubt.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: But I'm saying like, do you ever feel yourself kind
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: of like gatekeeping for your position? Do you ever find
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: it difficult not to? Because even now, this is my
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: fourth season out of the NFL. And even now when
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: they're like, I even think about this offensive lines playing,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: I'm like, they're not great, but I don't want to
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: I'm not interested in like hurting the boys, like coming
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: at the guys in any way.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: Like it's, it's tough for me. You, you, you struggle
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: with that. I think about this, like, no, I do
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: battle with it.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: And like, I always want to be honest, first of all,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: like I'm like that, like again, everything that I've gone through,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: a lot of stuff I just described earlier, like I
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: think being phony is like the, you know, like you
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: gotta be real, man. You gotta be you. And, and
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: that's the, actually like the beautiful challenge of TV, which
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: I never thought I'd be on TV is like, Hey man,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: put on the lights, put on the makeup. Like, can
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: you keep it real? Given like how kind of artificial
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: and shallow, like the whole thing set up to be.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: I actually like find that challenge. Like, like again, it's
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: kind of like, I'd get up for that.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: Like, um, with that being said, like when I watch
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: film and I'm watching the chargers, like a little bit
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: of it, I inherently think like, what would I do
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: in that position? Right. Like put me out there on
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: that play. What am I doing?
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 14: Right.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: Like, um, put me in, in this game and like,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of those where I turn on like
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: the charges and like, nah, I don't, I don't really
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: want to be out there in that one.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: Like in the same thing, when you turn on good
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: situations and this is inherent, right? Like when quarterbacks playing
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: good are usually in good situations. Like it's a rarity
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: that those guys are just out there doing it themselves.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: And again, they're running a good system. They got good
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: players around them. And so in that sense, like when
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: these guys get heaped up on, right. Like when people
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: kill certain players, Yeah. Like, and that's like, I do
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: enjoy like, well, hold on, man. Let's like check out
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: this left guard here, dude. Right. Let's look at this
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: receiver who can't separate or catch the ball. Right. Like
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: these guys have responsibility as well. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: And like, it's so easy to point the finger at
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: the guy who's holding the ball every play, you know,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: and they're like. I just, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: So I enjoy pushing back on some of that stuff sometimes. Yeah,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: finding it out.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: What's been a fun challenge of yours transitioning into TV
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: outside of the, you know, being critical on players or
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: finding their lane?
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: Well, I think like, again, just like finding your own
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: voice and style, right? Like there's no school, there's no
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: school to go to, right? Like for ex-players, it's kind
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: of like, I know they have these little bootcamps and stuff,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: but like, it's just like they put, you know, you
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: put you out there, the red light goes on and
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: you kind of got to figure it out. And yeah,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think kind of, again, weird to kind
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: of find your own voice and style and how you
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: want to do things, right? Like and getting comfortable in it, right?
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: Especially doing live TV every Sunday morning, right? Like it's
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: a three hour show. It's live TV, right? Like you
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: don't know what potentially is going to happen in a
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: lot of these conversations. I don't know what Randy or
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: Teddy or certainly Rex Ryan is going to say and
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: how I'm going to react. and like getting comfortable with that,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: like unknown and to like being in the moment. I
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: think that's like the coolest thing is like, can you
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: lose yourself? Like, despite the lights and the camera, like,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: can I like be present in these conversations and like
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: fire back, you know, when I want to kind of thing.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: So yeah.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: It's, it's, it's too, it's like your preparation kind of
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: changes as well, being around different personalities on you being
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: dialed in on some of your points or a case
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: you might make if, you know, greener, anybody comes to you.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: But then once you get a feel for the other
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: guys at the table as well, like being ready for
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: if a conversation moves over here, like as far as
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: like preparation and study habits go.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, that's like, again, I still prep like a QB.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: Like I just watch coaches copies. That's all I do
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: during the week. Right. Like I'll just like, obviously I
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: know the big games coming up. I know the teams
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: we're going to talk about. And then I just watch
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: the coaches copies from the week prior. Right. And I can,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: this is like, obviously I'm lucky enough. I played a
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: long time and I just kind of like can mow
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: through this and that's how I operate. And it's unique though,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: that the crew I do work with on Sundays is
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: like got a middle linebacker, you know, Teddy Bruschi is
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: like stud middle linebacker for the Patriots, like eight time
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: team captain Rex Ryan, who only thinks like a defensive guy, right?
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: Like only thinks from a defensive coordinator. And so I
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: think if you put me with a bunch of QBs,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: we probably all kind of agree on a lot of
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: stuff and like the conversations wouldn't be as interesting, but
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: it's fun to be on these two defensive guys. It's like, just,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: they just like think about the game differently, right? right
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: like yeah sometimes it's just like if they actually like
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: keep it kind of beautifully simple it's like we're just
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: gonna kick your ass you know like that's how those
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: guys think which you know this taylor like offensively it's completely,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: it's like such a thinking man's game. It's like, how
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: can we scheme you? How can we like get an advantage, right?
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: How do you gain a hat here?
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: How do you have leverage at this point? What are
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: we checking to move to the side? Bunch of big
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: dumb idiots on the defensive.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: Side of the ball.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: Totally, like see ball, get ball. Yeah, yeah, exactly. They
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: make it seem so complicated with their coverage calls. Like,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: oh yeah, how many times can you check rat before
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: it's over?
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: Totally.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 4: For you, like, did you, were you sensing, like trying
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: to look for a sense of community? Because like, I
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: know for us, like last year when we did ESPN,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: we're flying to New York, we're doing get up, we're
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: up early and it's like, who are we, like, what's
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 4: our locker room gonna look like? And very clearly it
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: was like, Greeny, Shefty, Hawk, Orlovsky, right after the pre-production meeting,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: we're all getting breakfast, Shefty's telling stories that he can't tell,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: won't tell, you know, Greeny's talking about 25 years. And
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: then that quickly for us was like, oh shit, like
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: this is just a locker room. Like that's all this is,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: we're having a good time. And our game just happens
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: to be actually way easier than ever playing it. Do
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: you feel that way with those guys?
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: No doubt. Like, again, like how grateful I feel. Like, again,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: I'm coming from the West Coast. I live in the
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: Bay Area, man. I'm flying to New York every Saturday morning, right?
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: Like I get in the afternoon, we have our big
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: kind of production meeting dinner all together, right? And so
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: it's like, Teddy's coming in, Randy, Rex, Chef D, right? Greeny.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: And again, like it's the first time that I ever
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: get to know, like I know my opinion on like
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: these matchups and games and like trends. And it's like
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: the first time that I get a glimpse of like
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: what these guys are thinking about these things is we
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: kind of go through the rundown and like kind of
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: hash out the show a little bit, but like, no,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: and to work with a bunch of people that like
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: put the show first, right? Like that all these guys,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: like the show is the most important things, like super unique,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: I think on TV, given the egos and like, you know,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: what it kind of, uh, can do to people. So like,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: I'm so grateful for that. And there's one thing that
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: you guys like mentioned, like, I, like, I think Greenberg's like,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: he's the best point guard. He's unbelievable. Like, and I
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: find him, he's so smart. He has such a good
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: beat on like what I think the larger community thinks
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: about certain things and like, you know, pushing on stuff.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: But when, like every time I look forward to like
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: seeing Shefty, Cause it's like, I try to tell people
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: this guy's knowledge base is absurd, right? Like first off,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: I think he was like built to do what he does, right?
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: Like he was so made for it. But I think
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: like his knowledge base, like the stuff he says on air,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: I think maybe amounts to like 15% of what he
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: actually knows. And so when you can get him in
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: these like conversations, like camera off, it's like, chef, you
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: do what's really going on here. Like, come on, give
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: me it to me. And he'll be able to break
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: the whole thing down. It's crazy. It's crazy. Like what
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: he knows. And again, it's fascinating. And that's kind of
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: the whole crew. Like, no doubt. I could not agree more.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: Like how much that feels like. And then again, doing
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: live TV, you guys, like, again, it's like something to, yeah,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: you better bring it, right? Like you better be prepared, right?
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: Like it is a bit of toe the line, like
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: we're going, you're gonna get like immediate feedback. Like you
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: can't kind of fake it or hide anywhere, you know?
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: And you know when it happens, you're like, oh shit,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: I was not prepared for that segment right there.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: A few times you go by and you're like, God.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: The hard part for us was like, you sit there
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: and when you do the rundown on Wednesdays before like Thursday,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: And they're like, hey, how do you feel about this game,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: this game, this game? And you're like, holy shit, we're
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: talking about the entire slate?
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: It's insane.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: And then you get to the day and it's like, Eagles, Cowboys, Chiefs.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 4: And it's like, oh shit, I didn't have to study
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 4: for The Bengals and the Steelers this week, both those
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: teams are doing all the things. And you're like, you
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 4: start to learn it. Like, year two, you feel way
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: more comfortable, like, walking in a situation, knowing what's really
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: going to be talked about, and then knowing whose strengths
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: are where. Like, Hawk is, like, yeah, Hawk is always great.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: Or Lofty's always got phenomenal takes. But going back to
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 4: your career, like, dude. Clearly you've dealt with a lot
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: of challenges and tribulations. Like you've had so much success
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: in your career. What was it like for you during
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 4: the Kaepernick situation when they ended up going with him?
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: And I feel like that was a weird pivot. We
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: were just in positivity town and now.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: I'm taking this back. No, it was like interesting because again,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: like we were so bad in San Francisco for a
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: lot of years. And then like Jim came in and
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: like we started to roll. Like that first year I
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: came back, you know, we go to the NFC championship game, right?
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: Like goes to overtime with the Giants. And then again,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: the next year it was like, here we go. It
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: was the first time I had a coordinator for the
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: second time. Like Greg Roman, I finally had, here's year eight.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: I have like the first time I have a repeat coordinator.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: And it was like all those trials and adversity were
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: worth it, right? Like, cause here we go. And we
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: were loaded. Like that defense, that roster was so stacked,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: the offensive line. And we're going, again, I was leading
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: the NFL in passer rating. And it was like, dude,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: like again, like, all you're seeing is what's in front
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: of you and then wham, concussion, and then cap steps
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: in and rolls, man. I don't think people quite remember
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: how historic his first eight games were. He still holds
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: the single game rushing record for a quarterback in NFL history.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: I still don't think the Green Bay Packers know who
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: has the ball. This guy was running all over them.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: I think this is the hard part. All the guys
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: on that team Joe Staley, Patrick Willis, Navarro Bowman, Vernon Davis,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: Justin Smith, right? Like Delaney Walker, like, you know what
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: I'm saying? Like the guys that like, that was the
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: core of that team. And we rolled to the Superbowl.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: And like, it was like hard, right? Like given everything
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: that was happening, I felt like happened to me individually, right? Like, okay,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: well being benched, you know, going quote unquote with like
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: the hotter hand and like going to the Superbowl. dude,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: the only time I stepped foot on the Superbowl field
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: was for the coin toss. Cause like I was still
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: team captain.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: And like how humiliating that was.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: And to like watch the Superbowl pass you by from
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: the sidelines. Like I felt like the guy that had
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: been like at a slot machine, like putting in coins
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: and like got up for a second, like the next
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: guy sat down and hit the fucking jackpot.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: Like it was so frustrating, but at the same time,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: like I do, we all signed up to play team sport, man. Right.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: Like I'm not, we didn't sign up to play tennis.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: Like, dude, like here we are at the Right. Like
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: we're at the summit of Everest. Right. Like at the
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl, all these guys had been been through so
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: much as well. And like, could I be happy and
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: could I be a good backup? Could I be ready?
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: Like if needed. Do you know what I'm saying? And
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: like certainly kind of a defining moment for me. Right.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: Like then like what route was I going to go?
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: You know, it sounds like you could have been the
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: guy that cut off the lights.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: During that season. My wife, you know? Was she tight
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: about it? Dude, well, you know your whole family. Everything
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: you're saying. They got your back to the, you know
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying? They're always going to have your back.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: So you come home and it's like, they're like feeding
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: you the other way. You got to slow them down. Yes, totally.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because everything you're saying is 100% correct. Like, yeah,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: you're a team player. We have to be a team guy.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 4: 11 guys in the field. If it's not your turn,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 4: you help out the best way you can. Always stay prepared.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: You've checked all the boxes from the politically correct standpoint.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: But then there is a side of you that's like, dude,
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: fuck this. Like, I've been the guy. I was the
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: one that went through all these years. I had all
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 4: the OCs.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: And you're just going to do this.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 4: I'm leading the league. Yeah, because I get hurt for
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: a second. I can't go back and do the same thing.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: So all those feelings you have are validated. Your wife,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: she was, I'm sure, helpful at some points. But a
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: lot of times when things aren't going your way, Like,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: I remember my wife come home and she was like,
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: that's a load of bullshit what they did. And you're
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 4: thinking that too, but no, no, no, no, no, dude.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 4: I can't allow you to say that to me because
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 4: when you say it to me, it feeds the bad
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: wolf in my soul. And all they're doing is being
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: like protective over their number one person.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're being loyal to the soil. And that's unbelievable.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: But when they say it sometimes, like you like have
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 4: a moment of like, yeah, dude, fuck those guys.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: And then you're like, no, no, no, I can't, I
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: can't go with it. It doesn't like serve you. You
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying? Cause again, like it only is
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: like a distraction.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: Like, cause yeah, like this is the crazy part is like, well, dude,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: you could be in like you're back in like that.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: Like your next opportunity could be like two plays away. Right.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: And if I'm like bitter and you know, like pouting
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: and doing, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: Like you lacked in your preparation, like then you're out
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: there and then you get exposed and you're like, well,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: that's why.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 4: Now you've proved them right in their original choice.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: How long were you out that year? Like how long
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: did the concussion- Just like the next week was like close, man.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: Like I still had some prolonged symptoms that next week.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: And it was like very interesting. So like Cap played
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: and then I kind of got cleared after that. But
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: that was kind of the whole, sorry about my dog.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: That was the whole kind of hot hand thing. He's like, hey,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: he actually didn't even like really name him the starter
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: full time. It was like, hey, we're just going to
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: go with the hot hand right now. So one game- Yeah.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: So he played on that Bears game. I got cleared
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: the following week, which would have been his second start.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: And then that's where we were playing New Orleans and
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: at New Orleans. And that was kind of when the
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: whole thing like, Hey, we're just going to, we're going
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: to stay with that.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: It makes you feel, it makes you wish you didn't
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: work so hard on that first baseline, huh? You want
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: to clear that a little faster?
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 10: Dude, totally.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: You're like, that's where you're like, what did, nope. Yep.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: It costs you your job, man. Yeah. You got to
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: do the baseline. Plus all that stuff self-reported, right? Like
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: there's no like blood test, there's no scan for a concussion.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, how do you feel? And it's like, well, dude,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: if you're being honest, right? Like do you self-report some
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: of this stuff or not?
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for the kids out there listening, always self-report, always
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 4: do the right thing.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: It's also hard though.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: I was just kind of thinking I should have got
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: my ass fucking.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah 100 no like listen and you guys know
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: this too the self-reporting is hard i mean you could
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: ask 10 000 times how you feel how do you
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: feel how do you feel how do you feel how
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: do you feel and you're like you're like you know
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: again like you start reading into things like i'm not
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: very good at that stuff you know what i'm saying
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: like whoa what did i was that related to the
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: hit you know.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah and then also like because they ask you so
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 4: many times eventually like well i guess i'm a little
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 4: tired they're like Gotcha.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 4: That one right there. One thing that Vrabel did a
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: great job of is if anything happened to any guy,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: he'd be like, Hey, he's, you're just not playing this week.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: I don't care how you feel. There's like, Vrabel was very,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: very good about that. Even in like high pressure, big
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: game situations, you'd be like, Nope, we're going to, we're
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: going to make sure.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: We always say same way. Yeah. And he was like,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: same way.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: How was that going to the chiefs? Like getting to
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: the chiefs breath of fresh air.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: Andy Reed, who's an absolute savant in the game.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, like a couple of things. This is
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: like not many times in life you get a second
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: chance at things. And ironically, when I got traded to
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: the Chiefs, they had gone 2-14 the year before and
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: they had the number one pick in the draft, right?
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: And like here I was like eight years later after
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: all the crap I'd like gone through personally, right? Like growth.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: And again, could I do it again? And now, yeah,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: with Andy Reid, right? Like who I felt like it was,
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: I played the Eagles, I swear, like my first six
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: years straight in the NFL and I got, we got
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: crushed every time, right? And all of a sudden now,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: andy trades for me um and again i just lost
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: my job right like to to concussion and so a
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: little bit like it was just for me it was
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: um all of that combined with like let's go right
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: like i'm putting blinders on i have an opportunity and
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: i'm like gonna make the most of it right and
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: like i'm not gonna be distracted anymore whether it be
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: by myself or anybody else and like i was like
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: so locked in when i got to kansas city um
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: and i think you obviously combine that with like being
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: with andy in that offensive system. Um, like those were
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: obviously the best years of my career, you know? Yeah.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 4: How was it? How was Eric Fisher his rookie year?
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: Fish dude. He's good. Good. You know, again, like young guy,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: he's from like, you know, again, central Michigan, right? Like, uh,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: the Chippewas or whatever they are.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 4: Came out of nowhere, three out of four tackles in
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: that draft, taking the first four picks. Like that's, it
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 4: was nuts. He kind of just came out of nowhere
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 4: at the end.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: I think a little bit again, it's funny. I played
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: with Staley was from central and I think it kind
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: of like paved that path and Staley at that point
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: turned into a monster left tackle. And so it was
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: a little bit with Fisher. It was like, Oh, is
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: this guy, you know, again, kind of the same thing essentially. Um,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: so it was good, but I felt like you could
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: feel the same thing. Number one pick the weight he carried.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: Now you're playing left tackle, right? You're so visible. You're
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: going up against the monster every single week, right? Like
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: you make one mistake, everybody sees it. Like it was like, certainly, um,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: and I talked to a lot, you know, over that time,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: but until you go through something like that, right? Like it, it's,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: there's nothing like it, you know?
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: You have to have like conversations with him. Like I'm
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: sure in his mind, he's like, if I give up
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 4: a one sack this year, I'm a bust. There's a
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 4: reason why they shouldn't have picked me at this point.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 4: Before we get off the topic of the 49ers, we
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 4: did bring up Delaney Walker. That's our guy. What was
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 4: the last night?
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: What's that? Saw him last night, dude.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 6: Did you really?
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: Of course you did. He's everywhere. He's everywhere. He's everywhere.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: What was he like as a teammate? As just a
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 4: young buck back in the day? Because some of the
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 4: stories he tells about the San Francisco times, buddy, like
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 4: pretty nuts. Seemingly he has a pretty psychopath of a
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 4: group there in the locker room that Harbaugh kept together.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: And he caught like same thing. So dude, Delaney's all time.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: Or you guys know, you know this, like we all,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: I feel like when you've played a long time, like
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: you have your, you have your own personal, like, uh, like,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: dream team. You know what I'm saying? Like you, like
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: the guys you remembered, it's not necessarily like how good
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: a player they were, but like, it's almost just like
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: their personalities and everything. Right. Yeah. And like Delaney was
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: that guy, like Delaney, Delaney from a personality standpoint was like, dude,
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: just so funny.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: Like always goofing off. And again, we, dude, he played
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: receiver in college. This was like a kick returner receiver
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: that we converted to a tight end. Yeah. And then
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: did it. And also had the mindset and toughness to
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: do that. Right. Like that sounds great on paper, but
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: like you, like, it's noisy in there right like to
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: go stick your head in some of these situations and
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: like Delaney did it and then it turned into right
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: and he was part of like a lot of some
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: of that dysfunction like certainly like you know kind of
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: after Nolan it was a Singletary years like we were
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: so bad man um and then to come out of
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: that and then it was Vernon and Delaney right like
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: we had two of the best tight ends in football
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: and we like they never came off the field right
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: like I like I don't care what the situation was.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: Like we could be in two minutes and it's like, well,
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: we're not taking Delaney and Vernon off the field. They're
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: like two of our best players.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: Like, um, but Delaney dude, he was so much the
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: glue that like kept that offense together.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: Like he was so smart more often than not. He
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: was like telling Vernon where to go and what to
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: do as well. Right. Like he was the guy, our
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: motion man that we like, you know, moved around and
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: found these matchups with. And then again, he was so
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: cool because he was so talented even then. But obviously
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: Vernon was like our featured guy and like was the
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: bigger name. And Delaney didn't care, man. It was like
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: whatever I can do for the team, however I can help.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: And then it's like when he left, he obviously left,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: goes to you guys at the Titans and like, you know,
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: becomes all pro. And I think everybody got to see
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: like what a player he was. But like he never,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: never bitched, like never complained, just like an all-time teammate,
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: tough as hell, like super funny.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: Were you there during the time where he got in
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: his motorcycle wreck?
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: No, that was after I left, after I got traded. Okay.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: Were you there during the time that the fight went
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: down with, who was it? Alden Smith. Alden Smith and
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: then Justin Smith? Oh, yeah.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: Justin Smith went- What was he talking about?
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 4: It was like Joe Staley's house, and there was a party,
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: and Justin Smith just got signed to the team. Yeah,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 4: head-butted one of them. Patrick Willis told this story on
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 4: the Super Bowl with Delaney last year in San Francisco,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: this year.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: In San Francisco.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: But apparently burned his furniture. It might've been Joe Staley.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: That was Staley's. That was Staley's. You do know the
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: story we're talking about. You're just letting us blunder around
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: each other right now. Were you there? Were you at
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: the event? I was there. Yep. I was there. Justin
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: Smith burned. And it like started kind of funny. There
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: was this big like fire pit in Staley's backyard. And
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: we had, again, like most of the team was there.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: It was fun. It was like a beautiful day. And like,
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: obviously it's getting to dusk. Like we run out of firewood. Right.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: And like no one was going anywhere. Like it was
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: like everybody had been hanging out and drinking all day.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: And so, he had just bought this house by the way.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: Saley just like just bought this house brand new. It
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: got like a bunch of the furniture with it. And
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: so it was like all this teak patio stuff. And
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: it started with like this little, like he had this
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: like teak bar cart thing. And there was like this little,
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: like kind of like weird Ottoman looking thing. And so
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: like Justin, next thing you know, that ends up in
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: a fire pit and like that teak furniture, their furniture
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: is like all like, it's all, uh, you know, it's
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: got like lacquer and stuff all over it. And it, dude,
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: this thing, and it's super dry. It's been sitting out.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: This thing just like erupts in the fire pit. It
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: just like erupts. And like, of course it flames, you know,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: like two minutes later, we're in the same boat, right? Like, well,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: what else now? And like next thing, the whole bar
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: goes in and it wasn't long. Like, dude, I think
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: every piece of furniture in his backyard got thrown in,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: thrown in. And the best part was, is Joe was
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: not there. Joe wasn't even present. Joe let a bunch
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: of the young linemen live with him.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: And so like the guys that had come in again,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: this was like OTAs. And so that was like the
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: whole reason we were at his house. So Staley's not
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: even there. And like, people are like sending him videos
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: and pictures of his like brand new stuff getting just
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: like torched, which he did not obviously find super funny. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: Dude.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: That was Justin Smith. Justin all time. He's also on
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: that all time, like team, like, Dude, one of one,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: absolute monster, like a complete character.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 4: Hilarious, hilarious combination of saying a story like that and
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 4: then being like one of one character. He was definitely
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 4: the guy you feared. Definitely the guy you feel like,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 4: the way Delaney put it was like, he's sober, locker room,
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 4: all-time vibes guy.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: Unbelievable to be around. Amazing.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 4: But he was a dude with no off switch when
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 4: a couple of beers went down the hatch.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 4: Which it's all like, there's nothing wrong with that. We
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 4: just got to make sure that not so many beers
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 4: go down the hatch when we're trying, we're at somebody's house.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 4: Because I know a guy just like that.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: And it's me.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 4: I'll get a little physical, a little rowdy.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm burning people's furniture. I was
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: going to say, I don't know.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: I'm not quite like that. But when I go, hey, Alex,
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 4: when I go, brother, we're going. We are going.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: I appreciate that. I appreciate you. Team guy. I appreciate
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: you appreciating that.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: When you got, so give us a little context on
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: when they drafted Mahomes. Had you played a year before?
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: And had success with Kansas City and then they drafted
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: him the year after? Or you got traded, then they
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: drafted him and you played that first year?
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. They traded for me. I played four years.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: We rolled. We were winning the division. Dude, I went
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: to three Pro Bowls. We were crushing it. And then
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: going into my fifth year, I had to sign an extension.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: And going into my fifth year in Kansas City, they
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: drafted Patrick that offseason. And I knew they had liked him. Um,
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: like even the years prior, I knew they had been
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: on him. And then Andy told me going into the
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: draft that there was like a strong chance they were
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: going to move up for him, um, and take him.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: And then obviously it happened, right? Like, which is tough
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: to watch. Cause all you're thinking again is like, we were,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: we were so good. And again, a first round pick,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: we move up and use two picks to go get him.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: And you're like, dude, what if, we went and got
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: this player or that player, right? Like, and you're wondering. Yeah,
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: because you're balling. Would that have been what took us
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: over the edge, you know? And so, yeah, again, and
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: like the media pitting us against each other, right? Like,
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: here's the guy that's going to take my job. It's
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: just a matter of time. Andy had obviously also really
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: communicated that, like, listen, like it was, I was the quarterback.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: I was the starting quarterback that like, wasn't changing.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: Like, and certainly there was an expectation to go play
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: and win. Um, and so I think again, like everything
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: like I'd been through, I, I was so distracted for
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: so long early in my career that like, again, it
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: was like this defining moment of like, was I going
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: to be like looking over my shoulder and be like
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: consumed by this? Or again, like I'm starting, I'm the
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: starting quarterback. Like I got the keys to the car.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: Can I go like run with this thing? And And yeah, like, obviously, like,
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: it was hard. Like, it wasn't easy, but it was, like,
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: certainly something that, like, I pushed hard at. And I
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: think it also helped, like, dude, Patrick, awesome. Like, the
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: moment we got, he came in, like, from day one. Like,
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: you know, you give respect, you get respect. And, like, Patrick, like,
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: he and I hit it off. Dude, awesome dude from
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: the get-go, right? Like, and the way the quarterback room
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: was in Kansas City, like, we did everything together. Like,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: you did everything together. Like, you watched film together every
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: single day. You lifted together. You ate together. You rehabbed together. Like,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: that just was, like, the structure of it. and culture
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: that Andy had built. And certainly was like the design
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: of bringing a young guy into it, right? Like, you know,
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: I didn't even know it at the time, but like
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: the directions were like, just like, dude, whatever Alex does,
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: you do, right? Like that was kind of the deal.
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  Speaker 2: Again, we had a great season. I don't think it's
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: a coincidence that was my best year of career, by far. Again,
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: I was a finalist in the MVP conversation at the
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: end of the year. I played amazingly. But like, it
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: was the same thing, dude. We lost to the Titans
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: on a free, like we were, I mean, I feel
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: like halftime we were rolling. Yeah. And I'm like, dude,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: threw a touchdown to himself. Like it was like such
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: bizarre stuff.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 4: It was like 23-3 at half. It was something weird.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And we kind of walked in.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 4: We're like, oh, we're going to get destroyed in this game.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 4: Then Marcus and Derek just kind of go off.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 4: That was, by the way, the coldest football game I've
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 4: ever played in my entire life. I remember that was
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 4: the only football game I ever played where I walked
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 4: on the field and the more I played, the more
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 4: snaps we had on offense, the colder I got. I
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 4: was like, this is the first time I've ever felt that.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: I remember that game. And so that kind of like
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: surmised my time in Kansas City, right? Like a bunch
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: of regular season success, but like obviously from a post-season standpoint,
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: didn't get it done. And then kind of new, right?
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: Like in that moment, like that's when I knew Will,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: like it was like, I'm out of here. Because Patrick
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: also had displayed at that point. He played in week
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: 17 because we'd locked in our seating and he played
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: and played well. And it was apparent that he was ready.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, it wasn't shortly after that. I got
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: the phone call from Andy and I was like, yeah,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: obviously I was going to be traded. And these were
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: the teams and, again, would help me try to obviously
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: go where I wanted to go. They would do what
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: they could to kind of make that happen.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: How locked in were you on draft night? Cause it
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: feels like, I want to say it would almost feel
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: like you were probably more in tune with like, okay,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: let's see what happens on draft night. Kind of like a,
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: a where was I moment when they were selecting Patrick Mahomes.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: Dude, I do remember, um, where I was, I was
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: actually golfing, but like, I, like, again, I think almost
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: intentionally just to like get away. Like I didn't want
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: to be just sitting there, you know, but obviously getting
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: updates and, uh, you know, yeah, obviously, you know, found
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: out immediately that we again, moved up with the 10th
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: pick and took him. Um, And so totally, I remember
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: distinctly like right where I was.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: And again, obviously knew it was coming, but like until
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: it happens, you know, like you don't know how you're
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: going to react and deal with it.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: That's a, yeah.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 4: I remember, I think it was the same year. Would
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: we play, play each other in the preseason? Correct.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: That same year. Dude, we played you guys at the
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: end of the year, which I think is the game
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: you're talking about. That cold game. That cold game.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 4: But I think the preseason that year, we also played
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 4: you fourth preseason game. Cause that's when we still had four.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 4: And that's when Mahomes, I didn't know, like to you,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 4: like what's so wild. And I think we've all like
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 4: come to realize this is like knowing our own storyline.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 4: Like I'm not even realizing that a quarterback's been taken
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 4: 10 overall and it's Patrick Mahomes and you're dealing with
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 4: all that. We go into preseason. I remember the fourth
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 4: preseason game. You're clearly not playing. I'm sitting there, bag
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 4: of seeds in my hand with all the boys we're watching.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 4: And we're watching baby Mahomes. Like he threw some bombs
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 4: in that preseason game. You're like, what the fuck is
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 4: this guy, dude? What is going on there? Was it
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 4: difficult for you? when the media is like pitting you
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 4: guys against each other and it's like, he's here to
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 4: take his job, all the things, all the narratives that
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: they write, like how intentional were you with Pat or
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 4: not intentional? Like, cause some guys go in and it's like, no, no, no.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 4: If he's going to be, there's always that balance.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: It's so funny you say that. Like I, you know,
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: this like, and especially quarterback rooms are really small, right? Again,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: there's like two, three guys. You spend a ton of
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: time with each other, but only one guy can play, right?
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: Like it is like the weird and the one, you know, again,
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: in the old line room, you got 10, 12 guys, like,
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: the same five guys can't make like, you know what
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: I'm saying? Like guys pop in and out and move over.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: And like, again, it's like, it's so much of a
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: like us together thing. Whereas the quarterback, a lot of
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: times those guys don't ever get to play.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: And when it's unhealthy and like one, um, I've been
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: in them.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: And it's miserable coming to work when you feel like
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: the guy like doesn't have your back.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: Or is undercutting you, you know, you know, to the,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: to the rest of the guys. And again, a lot
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: of the times like that, it's miserable to come to work.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: Like that dysfunction. Yeah. So you appreciate being in great
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: quarterback rooms, right? Like some of those are the closest
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: relationships that I still have to this day are those guys.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: And so I did make it very clear. Like, I
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: remember making sure that I talked to Pat that day.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: I don't even know if he remembers this. He probably
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: would probably thought it was crazy. Cause I remember I
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: talked to him for like only a couple of minutes,
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: but I remember being very clear that like, hey, given
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: all of this, like Patrick, I want to make it
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: very clear that like one thing I will never do
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: is like undercut you, right? Like you will never have
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: to worry about that from me, right? And I just like, again,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: and this is weird. This is like the first time
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: I met him, you know what I'm saying? Like over
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: the phone, this is what's coming out of my mouth,
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: given everything that I'd been through, right? Like this is
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: like probably some like scar tissue coming out. But yeah,
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: like I just wasn't going to do that, dude, right?
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: Like that will never be me and you will never
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: have to worry about that, right? Like from me kind
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: of thing. And so, And then, like I said, like
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: the moment he came in, like I grew up in
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: a locker room, man, like he's, uh, he loves ball.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: He loves playing, but he's an amazing teammate. And so
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: like there, it was like super fluid after that. Like
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: he and I hit it off. Like, dude, we go
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: to QB dinner every single week.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: Like all of us, wives, girlfriends, like hanging, like, um,
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: we spent a ton of time together and dude, I, again, like,
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: I just don't think it's a coincidence that that was
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: like the best year of my career. That's awesome. Having
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: Patrick like right there on your heels. You know what
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: I'm saying? Yeah. Do you feel like it.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 3: Was a learning experience for you kind of having that
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: second opportunity to take a backseat to somebody who was ultimately,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess with Kaepernick, you got injured, but
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: I'm sure it was a lot of those lessons that
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: you learned being in those rooms and saying, Frank, I'd
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 3: be like, okay, I'm kind of in a situation where
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 3: I could go this way or I'm going to choose
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 3: to go this route.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I got, yeah. And embedded in all
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: of this too is like when I got drafted, in
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: San Francisco, again, as a young kid, I was 20, right?
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: Like I played week four, right? Like I was the
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: starting quarterback, like that really early on. And the, right,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: the quarterbacks on the team, the other two QBs, like
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: had a combined one career start, right? Like they, I
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: watched film by myself, right? Like I stay, like I had,
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: and again, had no idea what I was doing, right?
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: Like I knew QBs, hey, you gotta watch a lot
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: of film. Like I'd come from spread off, Spread option
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: offense with Urban. Now I'm running this pro system. And like, dude,
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: I put in so much time, right? Like every, you know,
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: Monday night, Tuesday night, Wednesday night, just like in there
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: by myself watching film and having no clue what I
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: was doing, right? Like no clue how to break down pressures, right?
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: Like how to break down like fronts and coverages, right? Like,
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: and again, in college, I ran like the same 15
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: plays every week, right? Like same three formations. And now
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: you get the NFL and you've got like this huge
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: offensive playbook that's very different combined with what defenses do. And, dude, like, obviously, again,
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: struggled and had to, like, find my way over the
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: course of years how to, like, prepare, right? How to, like,
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: prepare to play on Sundays. And I remember thinking, like, again, like,
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: how alone I was and how unfair that was, right? Like,
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: in the moment. And so fast forward to Cap and Patrick, right? Like,
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: those guys didn't, like, they weren't decision-makers. in that process
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: right like they didn't get to pick where they were
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: going just like i didn't get to pick where i
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: was going right like again like this is kind of
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: obviously the nature of the beast of the nfl is
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: like that you go where they say right like from
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: a draft standpoint and so again like um all of
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: that like being said like none of us had a
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: Like we didn't make this happen. Right. And, but we,
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: here we are in this situation. And so, um, for
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: me at that point, like, like I, I wasn't going
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: to be like some like gatekeeper of information or methodology. Like,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying? Like, I was certainly like,
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: these were young dudes trying to find their own way.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: I wasn't going to like keep secrets or like hide,
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: like how I prepared for games.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? And like, I was certainly
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: going to be open to these guys that like were
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: super respectful. and just trying to become their own best
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: versions of themselves. I think that, again, what I went
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: through as a young QB certainly had an impact on
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: that stuff.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: I know we have a lot of an hour, and
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 3: I know we're going over right now, but I just
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 3: have another topic that I would love to get your
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: opinion on. What is a strong opinion that you feel
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: like you have with the younger quarterback generation coming into
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 3: the league now coming from college football and where offenses
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: are at in college football, getting fed to the wolves
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 3: in the NFL. And it feels like these guys kind
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: of get these labels on them a lot sooner than
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: giving the right amount of time or development, or maybe
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 3: it's being on a team with a defensive minded head coach.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 3: Do you have any, Where are your opinions at on
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 3: this generation of quarterback?
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot there, Will. I know. Dude, I know.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to find the best question to answer. I'm
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: someone that's been super vocal about certainly my experience as
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: a quarterback when I've played for a defensive head coach
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: versus an offensive head coach. The outcomes and experience could
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: not be further apart. My experience with Jim Harbaugh and
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: Andy Reid and what it looked like on the field
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: and how much fun I had and how prepared I
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: felt when I took the field versus like the other end. Now, again,
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: like Rex Ryan loves when I say this, right? Like
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: Vic Fangio loves when I talk about this stuff because
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: like Bill Belichick, right? Like the greatest coach of all
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: time is a defensive head coach. So it's not that
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: they're Mike Tomlin awesome, right? It's not like there aren't
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: these examples of defensive coaches that would be really great
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: to play for, but obviously just my experience. I do
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: think again, like, The NFL's ability to evaluate quarterbacks. And
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: it's not just the NFL. It's everybody. Like, what... Like,
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: it is just the immeasurables of processing information, right? Of
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: playing with anticipation. There's certainly, like, a fearlessness I think
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: you have to have to play quarterback. Like, dude, I
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: was at the... Again, I saw Delaney last night at
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: the Monday night game, the Niners game. Who, again, playing
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: the commanders of my old team, too. But, like, Brock
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: Purdy becomes... the NFL's all time passer rating leader, all time, right?
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: Like he, he hit the benchmark, right? I think it
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: was like five passes he had to have. And I
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: still think like the entire world is like naive to
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: like what it takes to play quarterback, right? Like the great,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: like the greatest quarterback of all time, Tom Brady, right? Like,
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: look what he, like, again, coming out the measurables, like
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: what did it look like? But like what actually like
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: makes him, um, so like an elite like like a
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: unicorn right like he like this guy is a freak
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: right but like it's not the freak that we're accustomed
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: to describing right it's not the 240 pound runs of
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: four or five like not to say that you can't
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: have those things too but like we just haven't figured
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: out like what it takes to play at the nfl
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: level especially when you have to play in a phone
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: booth right like the pockets are different like anticipation is
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: at a premium like you have to play fast and
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: on time and um Again, like we just, I like it's, it's,
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: it's like, I will be talking about this for a
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: long time. Like, I don't think we're on the cusp
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: of figuring this out. Right. Like, I think this has
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: been an issue for 40 years. Right. Like when you
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: look at the success rate of first round pick quarterbacks
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: and how many misses there are, it's the lowest hit
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: rate and it's the most important position in football. Right.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: Like that's crazy to me. Like it is like when
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: you look at first round picks and success rate, like
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks are the lowest hit rate, right? Like we just
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: team stretch and don't know how to analyze, don't know
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: how to, break down that position at all.
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  Speaker 4: That's fascinating.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 3: Who's a young quarterback you're worried about getting kind of,
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 3: getting kind of ate up in the, the war of
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 3: this guy is a, this guy is a soon to
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 3: be bust.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: And you're like, from what I see, it's, it's, it's
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: not that. Oh man. Well, it's certainly a guy like
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: I look at that again, I feel a lot for,
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: and it's hard. It's just like, it's such a tough situation.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: I obviously can't ward. Tennessee right like number one pick
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: he's already had two coaches like you know I'm saying
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: like it's like two offenses trying to dig themselves out
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: of this hole certainly that one hits close to home
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: he's on the Alex Smith program right now yeah exactly
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: exactly yeah a couple more coaches couple more OCS couple
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: more head coaches it'd.
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  Speaker 4: Be great origin fire yeah Yeah.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know if like, who else comes to mind
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: in that sense? I think again, there's like these tiers
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: of quarterback play, right? Like, you know, again, you've got
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: like the, at the top, you got these guys that
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: are like larger than life, right? Like, and deservedly, right?
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: Like watching them play is unbelievable. And obviously it's like,
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: you know, Patrick and Josh and Lamar, um, you know,
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: and again, as Joe Burrow in that conversation, he plays
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: a different game, but like, you know, certainly, um, you know, elite.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: And again, like the guys, there's a bunch of guys
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: after that are such good quarterbacks, right? Like there are
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: a ton of dudes right after that, that like are
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: amazing quarterbacks and can win. And can any of them
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: bust in to that like tier? You know what I'm saying?
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: I think about that a lot, right? Like there's like,
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: and this has to do with these contracts that are
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: going out, right? Like I think a lot of people critical,
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: like Baker Mayfield just signs, like Baker's been unbelievable. Like, dude,
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: this guy's played such good football. And like, are you
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: going to go find a better quarterback, right? Like where?
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Like there just aren't that
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: many human beings on earth that can go do that
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: right now. Yeah. So, dude, I love it. Obviously, like, again,
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 2: I lived it. I feel like I've walked every shoe
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: of a quarterback's journey in the NFL, like benched and
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: starter and highs. And, you know, I do, again, like,
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: it's tough, right? We talked about Justin Herbert. He's in
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: a tough spot right now, man. It's hard, you know? So.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 4: Hey, do you miss it?
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: Dude, you know, I'm so, this is what's insane. Like
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: we haven't, and we haven't talked to us by the way,
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: like I had a full breakdown of the fucking slate
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: of games coming up. I didn't know if that's what
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: we were talking about. So sorry. Sorry, dude. I apologize
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: to all your fans are like going down memory road here. No,
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: this is awesome.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 4: This is, I love hearing all of these stories. I'm
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 4: thinking to myself, like, does he still blame JJ watt?
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: Like does. So like, yeah. Um, we haven't even talked
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: about my leg injury and like, uh, the hit from JJ, right? Like,
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: and again, it was like such an, I felt like,
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: like such a, it wasn't even like, I feel like
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: I've been hit a thousand times worse, you know? And
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 2: just something about that hit. And again, my leg breaking
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: and I knew it immediately, right? Like it was the
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: feeling I'd never had before. Look down, you like see
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: it bending where it shouldn't, you know? But Again, with
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: everything that happened after that, like the infection and all
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: the surgeries. And again, like almost losing my leg. How
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: many surgeries was it? Like 17? Yeah, like 20 surgeries.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: Oh my God. Again, they basically almost, like they did,
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: you know, obviously amputate a huge portion of my lower leg.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: And then a bunch of surgeries to try and save it, right?
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: Like moving body parts down just to try and save it.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: And I was like very bitter for a long time, Taylor,
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: like super bitter towards football. They like football did this
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: to me. And I wasn't bitter that like I couldn't
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: play football again. I was like bitter. I'm like, dude,
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be able to chase my kids around, right?
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: Like I'm not gonna be able to like wrestle with
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: my kids. I'm not gonna be able to go on
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: a walk with my wife. I'm never gonna be like,
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: you name the activity. And like, I thought it was over.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: Like I'm never gonna ride a bike, dude. I'm never
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: gonna be able to do anything. And you know this,
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: like there's so many of those things you've sacrificed and
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: put off that you expect to be able to do
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: once you're done playing. And like here, like I've been
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: robbed of those things. And I just like felt like
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: I was stuck in like the rear view mirror of
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: my life.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: Like all these things I will never be able to
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: do again. And like very bitter for a long time.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: In my rehab process, man, like I'm so thankful. I
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: got this thing called the Secretary of Defense designation, which
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: is this deal for civilians that are deemed to have
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 2: what's called a warlike injury. And so I got access
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: to military medical care because there was like there were
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: no like athletes for me to look to that had
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: gone through something like this at that point.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: Like when I had half a leg and they're moving
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: body parts down. And it was like, well, hey, so-and-so
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: did this and came back to play. Like there was
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: like nobody, you know? And the only like examples of
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: any positivity were people in the military. And, you know,
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: through like the decades of wars in the Middle East
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: and like roadside bombs and IEDs, that there were a
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: lot of servicemen and women that, believe it or not,
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: had like severe lower leg injuries, severe tissue loss, severe breaks, right?
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: Like which, believe it or not, through the infection and
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: the hit was kind of like where I was at.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: And so I got to go down and do my rehab.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: at this military center that's like, it doesn't matter what
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: branch of the military you're in, if you have a
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: severe limb injury, this is where you go. And it's
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: in San Antonio, Texas, and it's called the Center for
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: the Intrepid. And changed my life, like changed my life, right? Like, again,
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: I was like super ashamed of my leg. It was
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: grotesque looking like grotesque. And like, I was very much
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: trying to like, I did not, I kept it covered.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: I was ashamed of it. And it like represented everything
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: that like I had lost. Right. And so like it was,
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: I was really kind of like struggling like with my
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: new normal. And, I'll never forget, dude, like going down
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 2: there from day one. You guys know this, like when
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: you do your rehab at like a private place, right?
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: Like you go like up to the front, you check
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 2: in and like your PT will come get you and
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 2: usually go to like a private room or like a
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: private corner and like you do your rehab. And then
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: you get discharged and like the military believes in this
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: thing called group suck, right? And it's like doing hard things,
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: it's better to do them together. And so when you
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: go down to this rehab center at the center for
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: the intrepid, dude, there are no like in private rooms.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: There's just one great big open room And it's surrounded
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: by windows. And everybody does their rehab together. And I'll
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 2: never forget my first trip there. Again, I couldn't even
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 2: stand on my leg. I've got it all wrapped up.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: I've got this steel cage bolted, keeping it together. And
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: there's like double amputees. There's triple amputees. There's like terrible
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: burn victims in there. And like nobody's hiding behind their scars, right?
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: Like everything's out in the open and like people are
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 2: moving forward with their life. And- Dude, again, this is
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 2: a crazy thing. It's like, I'm at a military rehabilitation
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 2: center and the physical therapist, Johnny Owens walks behind the
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: desk and gets a football and comes back to me
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: and he has me get down on my, my good knee.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: And again, mind you, like I'm very bitter towards football
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: at this point. And I got three young kids. two
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: boys that like love to play catch with their dad.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: And I have not touched a football from the day
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: of my injury. And now this is like four months later.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: He brings out a football, throws it to me again.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: I'm like on my one good knee on the ground
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: and he has me like start playing catch. And this
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: is from like 10 feet away. And like, I'll never
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: forget the light bulb going on of like, I can
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: still play catch. Like what else can I still go do?
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: And it was like the only place in the world
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: where those guys were like, they were like egging me
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: on and like goading me into like, dude, you can
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: do more. And again, like the rest of the world,
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: I feel like, again, I was still talking about cutting
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 2: off my leg. And so it was a lot of like,
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: certainly negativity and pessimism on that side. And that's the
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: first day I said I wanted to play again was
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 2: that day. And so fast forward two years later, dude,
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: insane ride, like an insane journey to come back and
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: lace up cleats again and put on a helmet and
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 2: to go play. But like having felt like that, this
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: thing had been taken from me, And then to come
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 2: back and actually like play, like, I feel like I
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 2: got to say goodbye to the game, if that makes sense.
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 2: And I feel like nobody really gets to do that.
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 2: Like I got one last hurrah, dude, I came back.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: It was the old man. Like I've got to wear this,
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 2: got drop foot permanently. I got to wear this like
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 2: carbon fiber brace to play. I've, you know, like my
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 2: locker mate was chase young. He would just got drafted.
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 2: Like I had like one last go at it. And
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 2: the cool thing was, again, I started six games at
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 2: the end of the year. We won five of them.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: We won the division, which was crazy ride out of nowhere.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: But like every single time I played, like I would
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: go to the game and I would call my wife
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 2: on the way and be like, babe, just like, let's
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 2: just enjoy this. Cause they're probably not going to let
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 2: me do this again. Right. Like it was insane that
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 2: I was playing. And when I was out there, I
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 2: can assure you, like, I didn't give two shits what,
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 2: like they were going to write about me in the
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 2: paper or like, you know what I'm saying? Like what people,
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 2: I wasn't like playing to like, have people like me.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: Like I literally like played every player. Like it was
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: my last, like that was my last play. And so
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: it was super cool to like say goodbye to the
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: game like that, especially given how I started, right. As
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 2: a rookie that was like consumed about those things.
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: That is fucking powerful, man.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 4: That is a, that's one of the coolest stories I've
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 4: heard going back and having to work with all.
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: Those people and do all that. Like, that's just sounds
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: so pure, dude.
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 4: Like the reason why you play the game as a,
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 4: as a young cat, And you're just going because you're like, yeah,
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 4: I see people on TV play football, so I kind
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 4: of just want to play football too because it's like
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 4: hero stuff. And you got to go back to do that,
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 4: which is awesome. Do you get sick of talking, like
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 4: telling stories about your leg? Because it seems like such a,
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 4: a front of mind thing for a lot of people
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 4: when it's like, Oh, Alex Smith.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, that, that injury, you know?
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 4: And it's like, people brush over, like you brought up
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 4: all the pro bowls you've made being a first overall
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 4: pick all the successes to where like, even in this podcast,
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 4: like a big portion of it is like, okay, how
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 4: about Kaepernick? Hey, how about Patrick Mahomes? And it's like, dude,
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 4: the success you've had is incredible. Have you been able
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 4: to like, have you truly reflected on all your accomplishments
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 4: and what you've been able to do?
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think like, again, like once you retire, you
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 2: obviously have a lot of time to reflect, you know,
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 2: like on your journey and like what was important, um,
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 2: you know, like the highs and lows, uh, like what
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 2: were the takeaways, right? Like, and again, I do, I
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 2: think about this a lot and I think a lot
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: about it as a dad. Like when I look back
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 2: on my career, like, um, every moment of growth that
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 2: I had, right. Like where I find, like, I, like
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 2: I literally grew and got better, um, and improved was
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 2: preceded by struggle, right? Like you hit adversity, you struggled,
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 2: you struggled, you struggled, like things are hard. And then
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden you like figure something out and
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: you keep showing up, right? And like all of a sudden, boom,
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 2: like something clicks and you make a gain. And again,
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 2: even at the end of my career, like, again, it
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 2: was like no different, like with the injury, like it
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 2: was like same process. It was like, like, dude, forever.
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 2: Like the things I went through over those two years,
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 2: like again, how many times, like I thought the road
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: ended and like, and I'm so lucky, right? Like just
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: keep showing up and it kept it like it eventually,
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 2: like again, something would improve. Um, I think about this again,
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 2: coming back to like being a parent is like when
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: you're in that adversity, dude, it sucks, right? Like it sucks.
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 2: Like it's not comfortable. It's hard, right? Like the unknown,
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 2: the lack of success, like all those things like weigh
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: on your mind when you're in them. And I like,
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 2: I kept thinking about like, well, like what if like,
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: what if the next time that happened, I like, I
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: had a different mindset. Like what if the next time
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 2: something super hard came, it was like, what if this
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: is just what I need?
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 12: Right.
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 2: Like what if this is just what I need right now? Right.
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 2: This is the best thing for me. And what if
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 2: I approached it that way? And the really hard thing
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 2: is like, what if I approached my kids adversity like that?
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 2: Like, cause there's nothing worse. Like as a parent, you
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: just want to like protect your kids and you want
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 2: what's best for them. But like, you guys know this, right?
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 2: Like in your journeys too, like none of them are linear,
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: like nobody's journey's easy. And Right. Like as a parent
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: to like, let your kids though, like fight through struggle
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 2: and not help. Right. And not like bail them out.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: That's like something I think about all the time. Yeah.
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 2: And I just certainly don't perfect it at all. Like,
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: but it's something that I like, it's on my mind
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 2: a lot.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 3: Oh, I love that, dude. I, one question I did
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 3: have was what were the convos like for you around
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 3: the idea of amputating your leg? Yeah.
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 2: Dude, when you're, when you're in, again, like pro athlete, like,
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: like things come very naturally to you physically, right? Like,
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: and the idea that they were going to cut off
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: my leg. Um, and like, man, I was playing in
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 2: the NFL, man. I was playing in a game. Like
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: we have the best doctors in the world. Like, how
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: did this happen?
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: Like, how did this happen? You're like laying in a
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 2: hospital bed. You got a wound vac on your leg, dude.
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: They're still talking about amputating. And if they were going
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 2: to amputate for me, it was going to be at
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: the knee. which like, I didn't even know at the time,
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 2: like it's a big deal, right? Like below knee, above knee,
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 2: like mine at the knee would have been, you know,
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 2: it's different. Why is that a big deal? I hate
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: to cut you off. So like if it's below knee
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 2: and you have your knee joint, right? Like the prosthetics
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: are pretty, are good enough that like actually you can
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 2: go do quite a bit. If it's at the knee
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: or above knee, you no longer have that joint, right?
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 2: And so like now it's a part of the prosthetic.
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: And so Just the capabilities are very different. Got you.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 2: From especially like the rest of your life. And dude, again,
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: like I struggled. Like I just didn't understand how we
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 2: got here, right? Like I just could not fathom like
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: what happened, right? Because for me, when the infection set
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: in and I went into surgery every single day for
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 2: like two weeks, as they like, they call it a
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 2: debridement where they're just like cutting out the infection. That's
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 2: all like a fog. I don't remember that. All I remember, dude,
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 2: is like coming to two weeks later and they're telling
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 2: me where I'm at. And like, again, like most likely
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 2: we're going to have to amputate your leg. And then
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 2: you have so much identity tied up in, right? Like
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: who you are physically. And now that's like potentially gone. Dude,
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 2: it's super hard. And again, for me, like that, like I, again,
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 2: like I cannot lift my foot up and I never
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: will be able to, right? Like I have no foot control. Like,
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 2: entire front of my shin was taken from me like
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: the tendons the muscles the nerve like that's that's gone
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 2: and never coming back um and so like i already
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 2: like at that point like i already felt like i
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 2: had lost so much like i'll never be the same
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: you know um and so just like very hard mentally
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 2: to to deal with that you know what i'm saying
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 2: like again that unknown what does that look like who
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: are you going to be um and again so much
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 2: of this for me was like forget football Like, I'm like, again,
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 2: like I'll never just be able to go do these
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 2: everyday life things with my kids, my wife, my friends,
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 2: you know, like those things are gone. Those things are
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 2: gone and gone because of football. And like the irony
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 2: is I get asked like why I played, like why
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 2: would I ever, ever come back? And it was like, again,
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: even looking back for me is insane. But from the
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: mindset that like I figured out and adapted how to
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: figure out how to play quarterback one more time, like
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: it looked very different. Like I certainly couldn't run like
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: I used to, but like I figured it out. And
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 2: my leg held up. and I do feel like mentally
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 2: there's like nothing else I can't go figure out because
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 2: I did that right like if I can go do
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: that like I can go figure out these other things
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 2: like you know what I'm saying yeah I mean the
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 2: fact that like freedom I'm super grateful for.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 3: That the mentality to come back is one thing but
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 3: also like thinking about it and be like yeah you
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 3: played in an NFL game and you were able to
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 3: do it for several weeks. I'm even thinking if I
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 3: was on defense, you're almost like, if I get close,
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I can.
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: You should probably just tag off. By the way, hell no.
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: So the documentary had come out before the season, like
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 2: the first half of the documentary that ESPN was doing
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 2: on me. So like at that point when I was playing,
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 2: you know, everybody had seen at that point what I
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 2: had gone through. And so my wife had this like
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 2: naive view that like, babe, they're going to like, I
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 2: don't think they're going to hit you that hard. You
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying? Like kind of same thing. And
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 2: I was like, what? Fuck that. Like, no way. Like,
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: do you know how much like a sack is worth
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 2: to these guys, right? Yeah, millions of dollars. These guys
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: are sharks, dude. Like, it'll be like there's blood in
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 2: the water and I'm getting mine, right?
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 5: Like, that's what it'll be like.
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 3: You already know the defensive meeting rooms. Like, the word cripple,
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 3: like this cripple.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 2: Takes him back in the league. Yeah, crazy shit. He's
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: a sitting duck back there. Which feels so crazy to
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 2: even say right now. But you know, that's how it
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 2: is in the meeting room.
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 4: So listen, boys, I'm gonna let you know right now.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 4: He's going to be in the pocket. Like we got
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 4: to get to him now. They brought back grandpa with
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 4: a walker. He doesn't have a leg.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 3: You can't get to him. You can't get to nobody.
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 3: You might as well cut yourself because you're not going
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 3: to be.
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: Here on Monday.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 4: And your wife's like, honey, I think people are pretty
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 4: empathetic situation.
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 2: It's going to be great.
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 2: What was that first hit like? Dude, this is what's nuts.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: JJ Watt hit me when I broke my leg.
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 4: Son of a bitch.
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 2: There's only been three, to my knowledge, three-time defensive players
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 2: of the year. It was Lawrence Taylor, who ironically broke
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 2: Joe Theismann's leg. J.J. Watt hit me and broke my leg.
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 2: And then when I came back, my first playing time
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 2: was against the Rams. And my very first tackle on
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 2: the third play was Aaron Donald, the other three-time defensive
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: player of the year. And the tackle was so nuts. Again,
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: like you said, I wasn't leaving the pocket. So it
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: was third down. I like sat deep and I climbed
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 2: hard and he was playing, he was like a three technique.
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 2: And so he had like shot up the B gap.
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 2: And again, I tried to like climb up even in
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 2: front of that. And he like hooked himself. He like
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 2: reached out and hooked himself kind of on my hip
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 2: and like wrapped around and jumped on my back. I
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 2: think the crazy thing that like no one, people don't
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: realize is like up to that point, there were a
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 2: lot of things I had to like, Walls I had
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 2: to cross or break down, you know, on my recovery,
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 2: like starting with like weight bearing, right? Like starting with
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 2: like learning how to walk again. Well, the last one,
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: the last like giant wall was like getting tackled again.
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 2: And for everybody out there, like quarterbacks wear giant yellow jerseys, right?
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 2: Like I, you're untouchable in practice. And that year it
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 2: was COVID. So there was no preseason. So I also
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 2: couldn't play in the preseason. So I had never actually
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 2: been tackled.
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 2: And so like, and again, like I wasn't doing this
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: in like a safe space. Like I wasn't doing it
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 2: in a rehab clinic. I wasn't doing it on the
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 2: practice field, like in a safe environment. It was like, no, dude,
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: you're doing this on national TV in front of millions
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 2: of people watching. Like, I'm like, you're wondering in the
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: back of your head, dude, like when the doctors cleared me,
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 2: which I never thought I'd get cleared later. Like, dude,
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 2: what if they're wrong? Like, what if my leg breaks again? Yeah. Right. Like,
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 2: What if I make a fool out of myself, dude?
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 2: What if like, you know what I'm saying? Like, what
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 2: if I'm a joke? And so all those things are
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 2: like in the back of your head. And so that
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 2: very first tackle when Aaron Donald jumps on my back, dude,
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 2: and I remember, you know, like things slow down, right?
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 2: Like in games. And I remember like very distinctly, like,
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: I don't, I didn't know it was him, but I'm like, dude,
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 2: I got a human being on my back right now. Like,
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 2: and like smartly got down. But dude, that moment of
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 2: getting back up, It was like one of the most
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 2: empowering moments of my life. Like knowing that like I'm
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 2: not fragile, I'm not immune compromised. Because for two years, dude,
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 2: I walked around on eggshells, right? Like I shattered my leg.
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 2: It was like the healing process wasn't smooth. Like, you know, again,
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 2: like again, I had this crazy infection. Like all those
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 2: things are like in the back of your head. And
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 2: like that was like such a distinct moment that like
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 2: my leg is strong enough. The crazy part is I,
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 2: that game was a disaster. They had the number one
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 2: defense in the NFL. It started raining, like really raining,
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 2: which is awesome. Awesome. As a quarterback. And they sacked
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 2: me like five more times. Okay. So it was a disaster. Yeah,
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 2: it was a disaster, but it was like the one
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 2: thing that I was so frustrated after I came home
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 2: and like, my wife has like champagne ready. Right. She's like,
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 2: this is this amazing moment. And I'm like, fuck that.
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 2: It sucked. I sucked. Right. Like I sucked. It was raining.
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 2: We got our ass kicked. Um, And, but it was
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 2: the cool thing that again, after that, I started the
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 2: six games. Like I never thought about my leg again.
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Like that game in itself,
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 2: like the wall came down, right? Like I knew my
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 2: leg was okay. And like, I was able to, like,
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't have played well after that. I haven't gone
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 2: through that obviously. And so, um, Again, like weird to
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 2: go through that process on live TV because like all
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 2: my old teammates are calling me. Like Joe Staley's calling me.
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 2: He's like, dude, what the hell are you doing, dude?
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 2: I'm so worried for you. You know? He's like, I
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: feel like your mom. Like, come on, man. But it
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 2: was like very empowering again to like get up after
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 2: that first tackle. I'm like, I'm good.
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 2: Like my leg's good.
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 4: Dude, when you're jogging out for that first series and
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 4: you're like, I'm about to take this first nap. Are
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 4: you thinking to yourself, yo, comeback player of the year
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 4: is on lock.
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. All right. Uh, dude, so I'm no, I am
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 2: fucking terrified. I'm terrified again. Like the running through my
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 2: head is like exactly that. Like, dude, what if my
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 2: leg breaks again? Um, seriously, dude, I'm thinking like what, again,
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I got a fucking carbon fiber brace that
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 2: I've like taped to my leg. Like, like I'm hobbled. Like,
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 2: what is this going to look like? Like this could
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 2: go very wrong. You know what I'm saying? And again,
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 2: like none of this is in a safe space. I'm
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: also jacked out of my mind, right? Like they're letting
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 2: me fucking play football one more time. Like, I cannot
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 2: fucking believe this. I want to jump out of my skin. Like,
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 2: here we go. And all of that, like, I'll remember
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 2: running out to the 10 guys in the huddle. Cause again,
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 2: I was the backup, the starter had taken this big hit. Um,
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 2: Kyle Allen take this, took this huge hit on the sideline.
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 2: And I knew immediately like, dude, he's out. And I
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 2: remember like, here we go. And so as I'm running
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 2: out to the 10 guys in the huddle, um, This
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 2: will be like, so you asked like back when I
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 2: was like going through my demons as a young guy,
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 2: like in the NFL, Jim Harbaugh was like super important
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 2: to me, but I had a teammate named Blake Costanzo.
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 2: And Blake was a like third string linebacker, but he
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 2: was a core special teams guy. And so Blake was
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 2: like undrafted. I don't even know the school he went to, right?
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 2: Like some like D3 school. And you guys know this,
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 2: like those guys that are the core special teams guys,
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 2: there's like five or six of them and they're nuts, right?
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 2: Like this is back in the real kickoff days. Like
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 2: you're running down on kickoff, kickoff return, you're on punt,
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 2: punt return. And you kind of got to be a
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 2: little crazy to do this job. And like Blake was that, right?
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 2: And Blake would have this saying, dude, he would come in.
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 2: And again, on game days before game was like when
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 2: my anxiety was at its worst. And again, I'm like
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 2: the number one pick. I'm the starting quarterback. And I'm
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 2: like in my own head, right? Like all this self-doubt,
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 2: all this like imposter syndrome. And just like worrying. And
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 2: Blake would come in in the locker room and he
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 2: had this like funny saying, dude, he would go around
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 2: the locker room and he would get in everybody's face
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 2: and be like, dude, Taylor, he'd be like, are you
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 2: going to live today? And he'd be like, cause I'm
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 2: going to live. Right. And he would go around with
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 2: this thing. And I remember the first time he said,
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what the hell is this guy talking about?
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 2: And it was like, I remember like, and again, when
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 2: he watched him play, this guy played fearless, dude. Like again,
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 2: he ran down, he was like so grateful to be
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 2: out there and was like flying around and like, was
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 2: he perfect? No, but the guy like made plays and
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 2: like brought energy. And I'll never forget like when it
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 2: like clicking, they're like, dude, I am not living. Right.
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: Like I'm in fucking outer space, like in my own thoughts,
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 2: I am like not present at all.
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 5: Do you know?
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 2: And so like, I like stole this from him from that,
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 2: that day forward. It was like, became this like challenge
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 2: to myself. Like, can, are you going to live? Like,
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying? Like given all the bright lights,
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 2: given all like the pressures and all this nonsense, like
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 2: all this exterior stuff, like, are you going to live? Like,
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 2: can you be present? You know what I'm saying? and
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: in the moment. And so I took that when I
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 2: went to Kansas city, like those guys will tell you,
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 2: they were like, like I would, I talked about it
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 2: all the time.
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 2: And again, always kind of talking to myself. So flash
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 2: forward to like running out for the first time again,
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 2: I've never been tackled. My leg broke, shattered this two-year
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 2: journey and I'm running back out. And again, all these
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 2: emotions are going through my mind, like the doubt, the excitement, right.
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 2: And like, dude, in that moment, I'm saying like one
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 2: thing to myself, And it was just like, are you
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 2: going to live today?
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: Like that was for me is like the 10 dudes
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 2: in the huddle. These guys, you know, they're like staring
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 2: at me running in and it's like, bro, can I
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 2: be present for them? Right. Like, can I go, can
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 2: I like go operate? Right. Can I run this play?
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 2: Can I stack plays? Right. Like, and again, the 53
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 2: guys on the sideline. And so for me, certainly like
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 2: my tool in that moment with all that going on
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 2: was like the challenge to myself. Like, dude, can you
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 2: be present? Can you live? Shut up, Blake, man.
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 2: Have you told him that? Dude, yeah, yes. Okay, good.
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 2: And again, it's funny. This is like the power of teams, right?
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 2: Like here I was, the number one pick. Again, the
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: ball in my hand every play. And like, here's this dude,
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 2: like undrafted. third string linebacker is just a maniac on
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 2: special teams. And he was a baller on special teams,
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 2: but like the impact he had on me, just like
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 2: about how he went about his business, you know, how
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 2: he like lived life, like had a profound impact on me.
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 4: I know like we're like 34 minutes over and you're,
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 4: you're clearly a busy man.
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 3: This question we're about to ask is not even.
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 2: you still we have to ask questions.
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 3: I know but the story we just had i feel
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 3: like we kind of know what he would do anything
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 3: for yeah you made a lot all right we we
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 3: got the bud light question it's the last question we
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 3: ask in every podcast.
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 4: We know anyone anyone people would do anything for a
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 4: bud light what's something that you would do anything for
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 4: can't say family or.
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 3: Leg Boys, we got this cripple out here today. He's
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 3: a sitting.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 2: Duck on third down. He's going to wish he didn't
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 2: go back up to this game. What's so funny is like,
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 2: you're right. Saying it to Alex and you're like, okay. Dude,
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 2: what's something I would do anything for? I can't say
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 2: my family. Can't say family.
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 4: But you get like, we've had people say like, go
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 4: back in time. We've said people say it like, nice
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 4: steak dinner, go to space, depths of the ocean, are
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 4: aliens real?
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 2: You can literally have anything you want.
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, Dude, I mean, I don't fucking know. I
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 2: wish I was a better golfer, dude. I'm so average.
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 2: Would you be a better golfer?
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 10: No.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 2: What? I don't know. I mean, obviously, again, like it's
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 2: so funny, like your circles get little as you get
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: older and you get like family and kids and it's
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 2: like this, like, well, yeah, family. But I don't know.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Can I get back to you guys? Yeah, absolutely.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 2: Get back to Bud Light. I'll get back to Bud Light.
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 3: After a pod like that, and even just the topics
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 3: we just covered there on the back half, I'm thinking
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 3: we're about to go into this question.
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 2: What would you do anything for like this dude? I mean,
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 2: he's lived.
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, lived, made a lot of money, got a beautiful family.
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 4: What more could he want?
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 2: We've actually had Dale Earnhardt. Dude, I'm super lucky. Dale
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 2: Earnhardt said nothing. He literally goes, I don't want anything.
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 2: Is that what he said?
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 2: And it was one of.
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 4: The coolest things.
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 2: Hopefully, man, I hope he's doing well. All right. Like, man, golly, crazy. Yeah.
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 2: All right. We know you got to go. I don't
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 2: want to go out like that. What would I do?
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: That's funny, man. Kirk Cousins said he'd do anything to
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 2: build his own golf course. It kind of speaks to
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 2: your psychology a little bit here, right? Yeah. I'll tell you,
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 2: I would love to win the lottery.
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 4: Like you had talent, you've made so much money in
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 4: your career, but how about just being lucky one time?
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 4: How about just having a ticket that says you're the
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 4: winner of a billion dollars?
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 3: Right now, hearing him talk about psychology and just all
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 3: the stuff he alludes to and goes a little bit
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 3: in depth on too. I know right now in this moment,
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 3: I would do anything to have a couple of ice
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 3: cold Bud Lights sit around a fire with Alex Smith
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 3: and talk.
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 2: About all of these fears and all of these thoughts.
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 3: And all of these things that we all know we
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 3: think about on the drive to work or whenever you
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 3: just don't have the music on and you're just, you're
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 3: thinking about being a dad, you're thinking, everything, everything. He
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 3: seems like an A plus guy. Get old Chad Englehart,
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 3: maybe Tress Way around the fire.
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 2: There we go. Fellas, the feeling is mutual. We have
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 2: to get it. Next time I'll come out to Nashville,
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 2: we'll have some. Yeah.
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 4: And I got to just pick your brain about Kyle Whittingham.
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 4: And if we're going to get Michigan right, clearly we
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 4: don't have time for that.
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 2: Dude.
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 4: But do you think so?
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 2: I love Kyle. Do you think he's going to get
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 2: it right?
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, I do.
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 4: Do you follow college football?
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 10: Yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 4: Do you think Tommy Carr is the one?
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 2: Do you think he's better than his brother? I mean, obviously, like, man,
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 2: that's a complicated situation. I thought he looked great. And
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 2: he's a true freshman. That's crazy.
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 10: I know.
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 2: I know, dude. The defense, though. We got a good defense. Well,
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 2: that's like Kyle Whittingham. You're always going to have a
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 2: good defense. You guys will always be in it. Yeah.
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 2: Play Indiana this week. The question is, like, can you
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 2: get the offense going?
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 4: Can we score 21 points?
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Defensive-minded head coach. I believe the only.
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 4: Quarterback to get drafted or the first round quarterback ever.
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 4: And he wasn't even under Kyle Whittingham, but was Alex Smith.
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, I know.
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking defensive mind head coach. His kind of thoughts,
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 3: defensive mind head coach for a young quarterback.
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 2: Bryce Underwood, Tommy Carr right now. Right, right. You know
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 2: the deal. Shorten the game, run the ball, right? Like
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 2: only going on third down.
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 5: It's hard.
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 1: It's hard.
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 2: It's hard living. How am I going to get you
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 2: into a groove? How am I going to get you?
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 10: Hey.
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 2: There's only three of us in here, but we're going
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 2: to give you a round of applause anyway, dude. Get
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 2: them going back there, Jerry. Thank you, man. That was
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 2: a lot of fun. Sorry for going over, dude.
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 4: You're the man.
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 2: Your stories are incredible. This was fun.
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 4: We'll see you soon.
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 2: All right, brother. We'll get you on the bus soon.
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  Speaker 2: Appreciate you.
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