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Bears Over Beers: Caleb Williams vs. Aaron Rodgers? Steelers Preview · 2nd City Gridiron

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's up everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another edition of Bears Overbears Power by Second City Grid Iron.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am Ryan Drasty, joined here by my good friend, Brian Orangeuk and a very special guest tonight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is going to be a really fun one really, really looking forward to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to give our final thoughts on the Minnesota Vikings, the big victory over the Minnesota Vikings and look ahead to what may be in store from the Pittsburgh Steelers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This weekend at Soldier Field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously for a huge win first division win of the year Crack into a new cold one as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can't wait to see what you're drinking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we got a friend on someone that I've been following for quite some time now and Quentin Crisco, known as Butkis stats on the the X or Twitter as they say
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[SPEAKER_01]: Quinn is on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got bears on tap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got shaving point pod.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's he's one of my go tos when it comes to lineman review and film and Quinn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't told you this yet, but we need to link up and create like an Avengers of sorts where you get the lineman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll get the running backs and we could just you know pick some some other folks here with their specialties as well, but I'll just be drinking in the background.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's somebody's got to hold it together, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But no, thanks for joining us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know you're a busy man these days, and appreciate your time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, thanks for having me on guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm excited to be on this show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've been on what's the term?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Long time listener first time caller type thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Go back to like the days when JB and Ajay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: E.J.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't, I was about to say it last year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, let's go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was a guest.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was E.J.
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[SPEAKER_03]: on it back when they hosted.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm glad to be honest with you guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sweet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, why don't you, uh, well, we won't do that to them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ryan, why don't you show Ryan, you can start us off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are you drinking?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I tease this last week, because within the last couple of weeks Brian, you had really picked my interest with the fact that you went to the dark beers, and you know I like a good dark beer, and you know I was at the liquor store recently, I think I might have even said that I picked this up last week at the liquor store.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to break it out tonight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is one of my all-time favorite porters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: odd of Grand Rapids Michigan Founders Brewing Company.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's it's the Porter from Founders Brewing Company.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fantastic beer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the first time I had founders was probably 2010 maybe 2011.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because I had my uncle lives in Grand Rapids and we didn't get it yet here in eastern Iowa.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was on a road trip out there to see a spring steam concert actually and stopped in Grand Rapids to see my uncle went to the brewery, phenomenal stuff and like weeks later we got founders here in Iowa and I've been drinking it ever since.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's a get real cold in the mornings here Brian now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean we're in the 30s when I wake up frost is on the grass and this is definitely
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nice, funny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've teased this couple weeks back too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the cold mountain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I went to the the Highland Brewery release special release weekend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is an ale with notes of vanilla hazelnut, dark fruit and cinnamon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The cool thing about this particular brew is they do it a little bit different every year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't, they don't do the same exact recipe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So each year,
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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of fluctuate some years, it's a little bit more vanilla, some, it's more coffee, and honestly, some years, I don't quite like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is my favorite year that I've had it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, I had an on-tap, but this is one of the first bottles that they came out with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So my wife and I enjoyed it and cold mountain, you know, we're right now, we're on top of the NFC North Mountain,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Especially with all these other fan bases thrown shade at us as we've seen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Although I haven't quite seen much of the the Lions fans quite yet, but I know they're lurking somewhere ready to chuck a snowball at us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But either way, like you said, getting colder out here as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in Western North Carolina in the mountains.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, 30s, we had a snow last week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, how about you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you got?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I have a Cape May Brewing Company always ready, hazy pale ale.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a good beer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've had it before.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you like hazy's got a good flavor to it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not typically my go-to is more a more a volume person with beer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So my go-to is a pretty basic
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[SPEAKER_03]: 10 to have them lying around because you go through them fast, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like Miller lights or like ganglings or something that's easy to to get volume as any offensive windman would go away.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I do like this one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a good deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, shall we cheers gentlemen?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Got the bears overbears paint glass here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're in style.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cheers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now we'll see how this goes cute because sometimes Brian throws shade at me for not drinking fast enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm noticing my beer over here, but you know what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: A dark beer Brian, I have an excuse because he got a letter warm up a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I got to get the multi kind of chocolatey notes from this porter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So a little coffee on the back end as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think I start recording some stats like ABV per hour, something like, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I love that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I, all right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to start off just talking about the win over the Vikings a little, but not spending too much time on that because it's already Wednesday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is kind of the pivot show here on second city gridiron.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we finish up last week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We look ahead to the coming week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, um, you know, this Vikings game was one we talked about last week, obviously Brian, I said I was real nervous about it on the show last week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, mostly because of our secondary situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought Addison and Jefferson could have a field day with us and turned out, you know, they were open.
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[SPEAKER_00]: quite often especially early uh Jordan Addison was abusing nation right but you know uh luckily for us JJ McCarthy was not on his game and you know it was close we pull ahead we almost blow it at the end cardiac bears as usual um Brian what do you want to say about last week's game
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so the same similar hesitations and a little bit of concerns going into it with the DBs and at really peaked in the fourth quarter when Tyrequent down and you know we had all reserves in there and it seemed like everyone was running open at that point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: McCarthy was starting to hit his receivers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's when they drove down and scored.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was super concerning then but and I knew the run game on both sides are going to be huge
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I thought we kind of pulled away, took our foot off the gas and the run in a second half some.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I'm grateful that JJ was off some and, you know, I think it really came down to
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nation had that clutch pick in the end zone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bired had that interception that he baited McCarthy on and I gave my kudos to Grady Jarrett in my notes after because I thought he had to put on his strongest games if not these strongest games with season and he created pressure on that play which led to a pick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's a big place and that's kind of been our defense so far this season is, you know, we're solid third down, but for the most part teams can run on us teams can get trunk passes on us and we tighten up in the red zone some and we get turnovers and we did that thankfully and and that really is what led to it, but you know, concerns remain about our past rush.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Our ability to stop the run and.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And our ability to block, especially moving on to this week and other past rushing teams, like we're gonna face.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like I told my wife, she was, my daughter was like, are people afraid of us yet?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, no, they're not quite afraid of us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They think we haven't beaten anyway.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My wife's like, what do you say?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, well, we're not quite,
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, playing the type of ball we need to play, but we're getting wins.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So being able to get these wins without playing complete football, that's important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just hope that we continue to get better and better and like Ben said earlier in the year, playing a best ball come December.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But,
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[SPEAKER_01]: long-winded answer, you know, I was definitely nervous too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got nervous how we didn't put them away, but it was huge to come out with a win in Minnesota, you know, when they were desperate and back against the wall for it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was pretty pumped.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so QE, you're the O line expert, you know, here, and for more Brian tells me, and, you know, we had Flores really throwing a lot of pressure at Caleb, you know, a lot of exotic looks and everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How did you feel the O line played?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just your general takes on the game.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Generally, I mean, I think, so I've graded.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Darnell Wright, Jonah Jackson, and Drew Dalman so far.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All three of them had pretty solid games.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Drew Dalman had a really, really nice game as far as like he was probably the most authoritative I've seen him against no tackles ever and it like I thought it was interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He, um,
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was the most aggressive I've seen Mr. Bear, which makes sense against Bryan Flores that he'd kind of be a little more reactive and a little more like I'm coming out here and punching guys in the mouth because one division game and two Bryan Flores, like that defense wants to punch you in the mouth, you can't let them do it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's something that I thought Dolmond did a really nice job of in this game and like
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was almost surprised by something because like you know Minnesota they have I don't want to say they're like they're like big run stuffing defensive tackles But they're just strong dude.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like they are big strong dudes a defensive tackle who Try get their hands on you early and take control of the rap and that's something I was little worried about with all men in this game being a bit smaller being a more of a finesse player and it was nice to see him
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[SPEAKER_03]: kind of flip that switch.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I knew, and as I was watching this game too for him, it was like during free agency or before free agency, I watched him against the Vikings for some reason.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I remember seeing more of a nasty side than I saw on the other two games I watched for him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I felt like I saw that again, which is interesting aspect to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He kind of flips a switch
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was up and down day, but he had some of the most key blocks of the day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So like it's that's where grading always gets kind of weird, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like his grade ended up coming out to like an above average number for me, but
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[SPEAKER_03]: There were plenty of below average moments, sprinkled throughout the game, but he in key moment, he just kept showing up and just really just rode great, you guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And him and Darnell, right, they're like bash brothers in moments, like it's awesome to see them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm kind of a walk, see them just like bullying dudes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you saw some of that right had a,
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[SPEAKER_03]: The last two games have been kind of sloppy from the end of when I'm walking perspective.
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[SPEAKER_03]: After the three games before that, where the cleanest run-walking games, I can remember having seen from right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm not sure if maybe the arm started being more of an issue that right arm, maybe defender started realizing how they should attack that right arm and kind of growing off of that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would like to see it be a big leaner from him in the run blocking going forward past blocking.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was immaculate like he at PFF I looked at charge him with two pressures and I mean, they were fair, but the amount of dominant reps he had he ended up with in a pristine grade for me because like giving up two pressures, but like the other 90% of the game, you were pretty much just wrecking guys like that's a strong grade and pass.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're going to touch on the old line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, excuse me, later in the show, and how much of a Godson they have been, and you didn't even get to Tuney, who, yeah, the glue of the whole crew, but it's been fun.
13:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And like you said, Darnell's, he's been hurt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we've played some of the best front sevens in the league last couple weeks.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like, Tony, I, I always call it bits and pieces, I have an actually like when I grade them I sit down I watch it five times one time for each guy where I am just watching that guy only.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But you do catch bits and pieces like, you know, you're watching doll and you catch some Tony and Tony.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would be surprised if he didn't have a good game.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess I'd put it that way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do think Minnesota's front was a bit more of a challenge for him than some other teams, because like I said, there are a bunch of big strong dudes that just want to get their hands on you and try to move you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's really good with the leverage with getting leverage and hand positioning, but he's also not the biggest guy and that does show up at times.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm sure that he's gonna great out really well as he always does.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, but that's just the bears have a black hole life tackle.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's not, there's not an answer to my opinion the best answer that might be coming is maybe it breaks and Jones off I are, but even that is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Potential to be a subparate, you know, like he's gone through stretches where he's impressive, he's gone through stretches where he's really unimpressive, he ain't ever seen to know what you're getting with him, but with better to I think you just use kind of have what you have right now, and it's Searched for answers all we want, but I don't know if there aren't many.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like you've noted on and I've seen some comments on Twitter, you know, one of the things you love about him is he just keeps fighting.
14:41
[SPEAKER_01]: He just keeps fighting and there's something to be said about that.
14:43
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I coach basketball for my daughter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are, you know, there are kids that just can shoot their lights out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They can dribble around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But give me a couple kids.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They'll just get every rebound, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: and stay in someone's face on defense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like that's kind of the player, the type of alignment that he is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you need guys like that on all levels of the field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and he's still young.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's he's super young and he can obviously he's getting a lot of good reps right here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's it's a teams know how to attack us for sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Got it out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, I do think that it might have more of a future at guard potentially the only thing that gets weird about that as he's six, seven, not sure if you want a six, seven guard in front of Caleb Williams.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do think his, his, our wife gets extremely mitigated by, by reducing inside and that's really, we're so many of his issues, we're, we're back to, and it's like, I do think that could get cleaned up by moving side to a, to a, to a pre-significant degree, I think.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but like you said, do just fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Never quits.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's really impressive.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can I cut on this show?
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, he fights his ass off like it's just Cheers impressive to see him just constantly going going going at it And I do think what like there's there's calls people saying like well, we want to see Ozzy out there And I can't speak to how good Ozzy is we haven't seen enough of them to even know it coaches people who know but my My inkling on that is that
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[SPEAKER_03]: they'll live with, feel always gets his hands on the guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He never loses clean off the staff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He might lose that for getting his hands on him, but he's always gonna get at least that like half second in delay to get his hands on him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then that gives Caleb the chance to evade off of it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Theo is there, that's where that 110% effort never quitting thing comes in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Cause Theo always wins at second effort, third effort.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, which you never really wanna be talking about, but where we are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This coach staff looks at it's like we can make that work because of K because we know Caleb's going to evade that first one and then he's going to put the guy in the dirt and that guy's out of the equation, right, which, you know, a bad strategy is better than no strategy, but like if you're you're still kind of in that rough strategy territory with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was kind of my next question for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to ask you what your thoughts were.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we had the injury scare where it looked, you know, Theo went out, just one play I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as he came in, you know, were you, when that happened in that moment, you were you thinking, all right, you know, like it's a little scary, but maybe we'll see what as he can do and all the chance on the, you know, he'll surprise us and do well on the left side or were you more worried about if it was serious at the end because you know, like you said, it's been kind of a,
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[SPEAKER_00]: it's really just been a black hole since training camp.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't know what was going to happen for a while.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It looked like, you know, maybe Aussie would be working over there and then that didn't go, that didn't happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we end up with Theo, you know, this undrafted guy, how to Canada.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, he's been okay at times, but as he said a lot of times, he's had some problems.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So how were you feeling in that moment during the game?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'd say I was something close like 30% excited, 70% worried, because a part of me, like I want to see Theo, right?
18:12
[SPEAKER_03]: There I'm sorry, I want to see Aussie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to see what he can do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Last year, I wanted to see what I'm a god you could do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't mean it's going to be good, but so I don't do think Aussie is a lot more refined than I'm a guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She was coming in when we get there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot more, a lot more ready to step in, but the left side aspect is worrying to me because the coaches have told us that if it wasn't he'd be playing, you know, so I do think that there is some some hesitation there because there's questions of how his reaction speed will be over there.
18:48
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's where you get into the aspects like I was saying, see you always get to hand on the guy at least.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You start talking slow reaction speed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're talking free runners off the edge of the quarterback because the guy couldn't get his hands on him.
19:00
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's where my worry came from is like that if that could completely derail the offense, then you're talking about Caleb's health, like taking blind side hits off the bat, like he's a magician, but we're not seeing him take unexpected blind side hits from unblocked,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have appreciated Aussie getting that third tackle, you know, in the jumbo formation, those reps just gets more play speed, you know, recognition familiarity and, you know, I'm kind of like you have, I've trusted Coach Ben Johnson, Coach Rochauer, with with their plan
19:50
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, wasn't sure what to think and then they had Ozzy in there and camp and I'm a god she's just kind of fell off, but but you brought up an interesting point.
19:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I've actually forgotten about Braxton being an IR excuse me being an IR and coming back like that's a possibility.
20:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I bet you they run with it.
20:07
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he didn't look healthy when he came back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: earlier in the year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think he's probably rushing because there's contract a year for him.
20:14
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, if he can come back, play off stretch, you know, just like Jalen Johnson coming back, these guys have been bears for a while and have not tasted victory much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, for him to play some meaningful ball and kind of show up that left tackle spot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to his best ability, which might be a marginal improvement from Theo, but still any improvement up there is noticeable.
20:37
[SPEAKER_01]: That's something to monitor for sure.
20:39
[SPEAKER_01]: That's an interesting thought there, but this week we got a handful.
20:43
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not ready to pivot yet, but oh boy, I'm a little worried especially when it comes to quick reaction speed with these rushers coming in, but
20:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, what about you, Ryan, what are you thinking?
20:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say, should we go to top play the game?
20:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Think that's next dinner agenda.
21:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
21:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's do it.
21:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Top play of the game.
21:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, should we talk about the kicker?
21:06
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this is always a conversation in Chicago.
21:08
[SPEAKER_00]: We could throw that in the agenda too.
21:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Because, man, I'm telling, I was worried.
21:12
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he came through for us, but...
21:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
21:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's that too, you know, he got away and you've been one of the biggest Jake moody fans is is Mr. Ryan Orange.
21:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure if you knew that is that right Yes, it's a big fan We talked about this a lot on the show and you know after Cairo miss that one and earlier I mean everybody you got to be lying if you if you weren't nervous as hell in that last kick You know, I was sure nervous and he came through for us So you got to give him credit's never gonna be perfect from a kick or we'd like for it to be perfect But look guys you're gonna miss
21:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is the only choice.
21:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Moody's gone, what's our confidence level in Cairo now?
21:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Now that he hit a game winner, you hit a game winner, we saw it in Green Bay last year too, and it's tough and fireman when it was cold out.
21:56
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's done it at a dome, he's done it outside, Brian Moody got away, how are you feeling?
22:04
[SPEAKER_01]: It's better sweet for me, you know, excuse me.
22:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you drink more, that's what that means.
22:11
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like I said, I was a big fan, I think he stepped in when we needed them to.
22:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think, I think we kind of, at least, resurrected his career to a point where he got a second chance, you know, that they drop their kick out right and sign in the, the commanders did.
22:32
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's poetic justice, given the fact that he kicked the game, winner against them.
22:39
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm happy for him, you know, the young guy getting that second chance in his career.
22:42
[SPEAKER_01]: But I also think this kind of galvanizes our team as weird as that might sound.
22:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Q, I'm sure you played some ball before.
22:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's just some, there's a team, culture, locker room piece when it comes to, you know, really having all your eggs in one basket with certain guys.
23:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think the team ever really wavered from Cairo.
23:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the coaching staff did fan base, absolutely did.
23:07
[SPEAKER_01]: And then for Cairo to hit a game winner, you know, there's no doubt that he's the guy now in the locker room in his own mind.
23:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I think more importantly than anything.
23:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, we won, you know, we beat the packers on the last second field goal last year.
23:24
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we,
23:26
[SPEAKER_01]: We can trust him within 50, but ironically, he owns the franchise record for most 50 yard field bowls.
23:34
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not like he's a slouch in that regard.
23:37
[SPEAKER_01]: He just doesn't have quite the power that a Jake booty does, but yeah, we can talk about kickers.
23:42
[SPEAKER_01]: We can talk about anything.
23:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Kickers would drink with us too, so why not?
23:47
[SPEAKER_00]: How are you feeling about the kicker situation,
23:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I, I'm generally fine with Latin moody walk, I mean, I don't know, I, so I guess when when Cairo was up for the game winning kick, right?
24:03
[SPEAKER_03]: I was so much less nervous than I was when Jake Moody was up for a game winning kick.
24:08
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was like, he, like, Cairo might have missed one.
24:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Cairo hasn't missed twice in one game very often.
24:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
24:13
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I don't know if I've ever seen it, you know?
24:16
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he's had a miss here and there, but he always bounces back fine for me.
24:21
[SPEAKER_03]: He's what 38 years old, he's a vet, he's been around, he knows how to bounce back mentally from all this.
24:26
[SPEAKER_03]: And he knows how the league works.
24:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I, I guess my stance has always been there's a difference between thinking Cairo is,
24:36
[SPEAKER_03]: the answer at kicker and thinking to me, like I was never that big on the moody train, thinking moody is moody over Kaiwero.
24:47
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like, that was kind of always my stance just because moody frankly terrifies me.
24:52
[SPEAKER_03]: like the, the, the, the, the amount of kicks he missed in San Fran, and I'm sure having Kyle Shanahan left stereo and like, like, choking you with his eyeballs, had something to do with it.
25:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
25:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I, I don't, that just that, that worried me if they actually went that route.
25:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
25:08
[SPEAKER_03]: And we're actually putting more than just a game where they needed to on his leg.
25:13
[SPEAKER_03]: I was interested in the idea of, you know, him spending the year on our practice squad and maybe
25:22
[SPEAKER_03]: And he wouldn't have time off.
25:25
[SPEAKER_03]: You may have to kick it right now.
25:27
[SPEAKER_03]: If you spend the off season working with them with the special teams coach and getting all that familiarity and comfortable in the situation, then I would have felt more comfortable with Moody as long as the coach was like, yeah, we're good with him.
25:38
[SPEAKER_03]: But like in being forced down to it, I was kind of like, this just feels like a recipe for the guy to rent fall apart again.
25:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I have some really good friends who live out in the Bay Area.
25:49
[SPEAKER_00]: They're huge Niners fans.
25:50
[SPEAKER_00]: One does a Niners podcast actually.
25:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And when he was kicking press against Washington, before the game started, these guys were raising me so hard.
25:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh my god, Jake Moody's kicking for you, settle in.
26:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And then that night when he made all those and won the game, you know, they were pretty quiet.
26:05
[SPEAKER_00]: But, well, he was pretty scared to be on the offensive tackle.
26:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
26:11
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
26:11
[UNKNOWN]: But.
26:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, like, yeah, after the game, they didn't have much to say, like, well, like as it came through, but yeah, I mean, there was definitely that concern going in for sure.
26:18
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I feel much the same way, but, you know, Brian, you know, to your point.
26:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you, you believed in the guy and it doesn't really matter now.
26:26
[SPEAKER_00]: He's gotten.
26:26
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, you like the fact that he had the big leg, you just thought you needed to change the scenery.
26:30
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see what happens in Washington.
26:32
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just kind of ironic as hell that that's where he is ended up now.
26:41
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're Paul in the chat saying he's worried because Cairo keeps getting hurt.
26:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's a concern for sure.
26:52
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's fair.
26:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
26:54
[SPEAKER_03]: He said he's it.
26:55
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure if 38 was the right number.
26:57
[SPEAKER_03]: He's up or 30.
26:58
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, right.
27:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
27:00
[SPEAKER_01]: You do get hurt.
27:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, but I've really appreciated the way that Ben and the staff have handled all the injuries so far and which makes me really excited about our DBs coming back soon, but Moody would still be playing if Cairo wasn't 100% ready in my opinion.
27:19
[SPEAKER_01]: He could get hurt, but hopefully we continue to get better and on offense, so we don't need the kicker quite as much,
27:28
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so my play of the game will keep it on special teams, you know, I thought I thought Miles Price their kick returner just had a phenomenal day, just given them good feel position and really just energizing the entire stadium and sideline for them.
27:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And
27:48
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, he had a hell of a game.
27:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a rookie.
27:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and, uh, and so do Renee at the end of the game to, to return that ball.
27:57
[SPEAKER_01]: That to me was the, that was it.
27:59
[SPEAKER_01]: That was, that was an important, most important game or play of the game.
28:03
[SPEAKER_01]: In my opinion, I, I got to give a shout out to Coach Hytower, who I think is had a terrible season every year when I do the notes, um, baffled at the lack of coverage on punt and kick team.
28:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I was going to say who doesn't have a great game against the bare special teams, right?
28:20
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you say about that moment?
28:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
28:22
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, yeah.
28:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we saw it against the bangles opening kick and it just seems like everybody's been doing that, but um, but for for him to dial that up in that, in that moment, have do Renee return it.
28:33
[SPEAKER_01]: That to me was a play the game.
28:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Bar none.
28:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I was happy for do Renee to do that too.
28:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I, I, I got to go with him to, you know, when I did the game balls column at Wendy City Grid Iron, and I got to the special teams, it was obviously going to be Dover Nay or or Santos, and that was a really tough call this week, you know, because again, I got it ringing in the back of my head.
28:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Brian tells me I can't give away two game balls on the same side of the ball anymore.
28:55
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yes, Dave said the ball.
28:56
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got to be one or the other and I'm like, all right, I want to hand, we got the game winning kick and on the other hand, we got the do of the put us in position to have the game winning kick and I ended up giving up to Dovernae because I just kind of felt like, yeah, you know, big kick for Cairo, but we expected to make those and, you know, it was more unexpected maybe to get that long return, what 56 yards, I think.
29:16
[SPEAKER_00]: and the time.
29:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Just gigantic, given the momentum swinging that aim and how it went for him to just hush the Minnesota craft that quickly right away.
29:25
[SPEAKER_00]: On unreal, I mean, how many weeks in a row we've seen this from the Bears coming back.
29:29
[SPEAKER_00]: That was tremendous.
29:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I got to do it.
29:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Do it for me too.
29:33
[SPEAKER_00]: You kill.
29:34
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, so.
29:37
[SPEAKER_03]: I have my brain wants to go with the third and thirteenth in the fourth quarter, where Caleb hit, Cole's some lovelin' over the middle and Cole's some breaks of tackle and get some yak, but like at the same time, like they didn't actually get points there.
29:51
[SPEAKER_03]: So I guess my heart wants to go with that is more of the things.
29:54
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like just the feel of that moment was like third and thirteenth, they did it.
29:59
[SPEAKER_03]: That was just a quarterbacks.
30:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't you do that.
30:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Drop it too.
30:01
[SPEAKER_01]: That was great.
30:02
[SPEAKER_01]: You did drop it.
30:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and but ultimately, I mean, I've got to go with
30:08
[SPEAKER_03]: 33 seconds on the clock after that kick return.
30:11
[SPEAKER_03]: The Andre Swift, right tackle, seven yards.
30:15
[SPEAKER_03]: You just get darn old right and Jonah Jackson blow in the door wide open, Jonah Jackson utterly destroys the defensive tackle in front of him.
30:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that was the, like watching the all 22 back I'm like, that play pumps me up or that anything I've seen.
30:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Just because that was pure, like, we are getting this no matter what, just get behind me and run.
30:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
30:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
30:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was I was happy with the way Swift ran and I had actually hoped after that driver where we did like four or five consecutive Swift runs and and then we faltered and missed a field goal.
30:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I was hoping that Ben would put him back out there because he had made a comment last week about riding the hot hand and you put him an on guy out there and I love him a on guy, I'm a huge man on guy fan but Swift was run and he's been running his tail off since he got back from injury and obviously you need blockers to do that absolutely and our guys have been open and holes but he's not been hesitating, he's been hitting it hard, you know, lowering his shoulder which is typically not as common for him.
31:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's been fun to see for sure, especially as a running back and an offensive line, appreciate tour.
31:26
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, absolutely.
31:30
[SPEAKER_00]: So as we start kind of sewing this conversation over to the Pittsburgh Steelers, our next item on the agenda is looking at the bears defense, which is obviously been a massive point of concern for pretty much the entire season.
31:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Use there's been moments of hope, you know, we've had these flashes from Austin Booker.
31:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, we've had kind of the reemergence of Montez sweat at times where he's no longer invisible, but he's out there making plays.
31:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And we've seen times where like when Kyler and TJ were back out there, it looked like the run defense was starting to get short up a little bit and then we got more injuries and we're still struggling to stop the run.
32:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, all these problems here in the secondary and covering receivers out there.
32:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we wanted to talk a little bit about
32:16
[SPEAKER_00]: the people that are injured currently on the bears defense.
32:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously, there's now hope for the end of the season to get some of these people back.
32:25
[SPEAKER_00]: As we look ahead to Pittsburgh, if you could choose one of our names on defense, it's out right now, and you could get them back.
32:35
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so I'm in the three big names, Jalen, Kyler, TJ.
32:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, which one of them would you most want to have back for this game?
32:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, also, do you want me to start?
32:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll start this time.
32:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, in this might surprise people, because obviously, you know, Jalen Johnson probably the best player in the bears defense all around.
32:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I'm just, I'm still worried about stopping the run.
32:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, they play.
32:59
[SPEAKER_00]: They play a lot of 12.
33:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't they?
33:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Try it out a lot.
33:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
33:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 13.
33:06
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I'm still, though, I'm looking at, they've got a couple of different running backs.
33:12
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know if Warren's gonna play this week.
33:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he was out today from not mistaken.
33:18
[SPEAKER_00]: What impression is?
33:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I'm still worried about stopping the run.
33:21
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going with TJ because I feel like when TJ Edwards is out there, our run defense is just so much better.
33:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And I would really like to have him on the field.
33:30
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been one of those things where I'm writing up the injury reports over on Wendy City Grid, Iron, and I'm always monitoring his TJ going to be back because he's going to be back.
33:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was out again today.
33:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I would really, really like to have him back for the game.
33:43
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to TJ at where's what about you, Brian?
33:46
[SPEAKER_01]: So I love, I mean, you can't go wrong with any of these answers to be honest with you.
33:50
[SPEAKER_01]: But give me some Spidey men, give me some Kyle Gordon along with CJ and his acclamation to the slot role and let Dennis Allen just work his magic with that combination of guys because not only can they help in the past, rest department, as we've seen with CJ three sex already just in his first two games, taking over that Kyler role, but they both
34:16
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like linebackers at the defensive backspot and we did not have Kyler and we too when we played the lines, we did have TJ.
34:27
[SPEAKER_01]: We did have Jaylem, that's where you got hurt that game.
34:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And gives average 7.8 yards of carry on us with TJ without Kyler.
34:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Montgomery average 5.2 against us with TJ without Kyler.
34:42
[SPEAKER_01]: They both scored a touchdown on the ground.
34:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Granted, that was an old fashioned curb stomping.
34:47
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot that goes into that one.
34:48
[SPEAKER_01]: But I love what Kyler does to the defense in the run and the pass.
34:53
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the combination of him and CJ on both sides, just I'm so stoked to see what Dan's sound does with that.
35:00
[SPEAKER_01]: especially this week knowing Aaron Rogers likes to get rid of the ball or if it's Mason Rudolph, those quick passes get us some nickel support on both sides that can play up close to the line and let's see how that works out.
35:13
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm looking forward to.
35:14
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll just chime in real quick.
35:16
[SPEAKER_00]: So my to defend my choice.
35:18
[SPEAKER_00]: The reason I didn't say Kyler is because we have CJ now.
35:22
[SPEAKER_00]: And I felt like, you know, he's picked up some of the slack there, but you also make a good point at both of those guys out.
35:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
35:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Would be pretty terrific.
35:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Excellent.
35:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
35:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead, cute.
35:31
[SPEAKER_00]: So.
35:33
[SPEAKER_03]: My first thought is TJ because the Steelers that they're running 12, 13 personnel over 50% of the time, right?
35:41
[SPEAKER_03]: So like we're talking about linebackers and linebackers are going to matter, but
35:46
[SPEAKER_03]: At the end of the day, I get Harper with that because Jalen Johnson is the best player on this defense and Jalen Johnson being out there elevates every other player more than I think any of these other guys like where I'm not that concerned about Noah's soul and coverage against our now Washington.
36:03
[SPEAKER_03]: He's not gonna outrun, you know, don't know what you're thinking outrun Noah's soul, right, but he might bully him, but that's a whole different thing, you know, so I'm like.
36:12
[SPEAKER_03]: I think having Jalen there makes the winbacker's job easier to simplify to in the box down hill.
36:19
[SPEAKER_03]: And that just that that opens up the defense.
36:21
[SPEAKER_03]: So in my mind, I got to go with Jalen.
36:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, love it.
36:26
[SPEAKER_00]: What do we think about the Aaron Rogers question?
36:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go to this.
36:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this has been the talk on sports radio.
36:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty much ever since the Vikings game ended.
36:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Is all right, Steelers on the agenda.
36:38
[SPEAKER_00]: We know the Aaron Rogers history, you know, he heard his hand in the game last weekend.
36:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Do we want to do we want to play Aaron Rogers, do we want to just, you know, have the easier match up, you know, what are we, how are we feeling?
36:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Do we want Aaron Rogers out there?
36:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you guys saw it or not, he was asked about the bears today from the media.
36:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, kind of at this back and forth about, you know, how much he likes playing in Chicago, you know, he loves Chicago sports.
37:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, talking about growing up, watching Michael Jordan and being a cubs fan and all of that.
37:08
[SPEAKER_00]: and he had this kind of funny moment where he talked about how, you know, I don't play for Green Bay anymore, so maybe I'm paraphrasing, I'll be water into the bridge and then he's like, now, I don't think you're going to forget about that.
37:20
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when we look at the last two great Green Bay quarterbacks,
37:25
[SPEAKER_00]: in Aaron Rogers and Jordan, now I'm just kidding, and Brad fire, you know, obviously with Brett, we got, we got some come-up in son him, you know, like at the end of his run with Green Bay, we started to turn the tide on the series.
37:42
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Lovey had a, I don't know, four-year winning streak at Lambo or something like that.
37:46
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when he first got here,
37:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And then obviously, most famously, that Monday night game, the University of Minnesota, the Rock Solid Frozen Turf, Corey Wooten, Sachs him and Ends his career.
37:59
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so we got that moment after years of domination.
38:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And we never got that with Aaron Rodgers.
38:04
[SPEAKER_00]: He pretty much just kicked our ass all the way through.
38:06
[SPEAKER_00]: So here's a chance to get that victory over him and probably the last time he'll ever play the Chicago Bears.
38:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Do we want that opportunity?
38:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Or do we have PTSD?
38:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And are we thinking
38:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Not I don't want to risk that same thing happening again.
38:20
[SPEAKER_00]: He can sit on the sideline.
38:22
[SPEAKER_00]: How you feel Brian?
38:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm going first.
38:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
38:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Now.
38:27
[SPEAKER_01]: So the reason that the the far thing meant as much to me back then.
38:34
[SPEAKER_01]: is not so much because of what he did as a packer, but because he then played for the Vikings, which was another division rival.
38:44
[SPEAKER_01]: And Aaron Rogers plays the Steelers.
38:46
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not even in our same conference, so a lot of that is mitigated.
38:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I would say I would lean, I'm really, I couldn't care quite less, but I'm close to 50, 50.
38:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd say I would lean more, 55, 45, maybe 60, 40, I want him to play, but I think more because I like Caleb talked about today, want to see us play against the best.
39:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I also think there's quite frankly more tape on Aaron Rogers and that offense this season there is Mason Rudolph who poses some different challenges at his age that Aaron Rogers doesn't this stage of that career.
39:27
[SPEAKER_01]: But, to me, I'm not huge on that.
39:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I hear what you're saying and I would love to beat him, but I would love, I just want another win.
39:37
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think our chances to make the playoffs go up to 70% if we win this game and they're down just below 50, if we don't.
39:46
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not as big of a proponent in this race, sort of sort of thing, but Q, are you feeling differently?
39:54
[SPEAKER_01]: What are your thoughts on on this?
39:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I want him to get his ass.
39:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I can't stand that dude.
40:02
[SPEAKER_03]: I like like any like bad relationship.
40:04
[SPEAKER_03]: You want closure, right?
40:06
[SPEAKER_03]: When the bears ended Farbs career, that felt like closure to me.
40:10
[SPEAKER_03]: I want the bears to like not end Rogers career with an injury, but like I want them to make it sure to him that I'm gonna retire because they just whip my ass.
40:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't do this anymore.
40:23
[SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, I want Rogers out there.
40:25
[SPEAKER_03]: I want the Bears to kick his ass.
40:27
[SPEAKER_03]: I realize that Rogers has voodoo magic, and it might end badly for me saying this, but because I was every time I've said something like this in my life, he has come back to just kick my ass.
40:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Personally, I'm sure it's personal to him, but yeah, I want to play, I want the Bears to just destroy him.
40:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
40:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of wanted to, you know, I realized we're playing with fire here because what the history looks like, you know, at the same time, you can see them winning maybe even like last second win and him taunting the crowd again.
41:00
[SPEAKER_00]: And that just like it will derail the season, but man, it'll kind of flip the narrative at least in the media for a couple of days.
41:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't really want to see that.
41:08
[SPEAKER_00]: But I also, yeah, to your point, I want to see us get the win over him in the soldier field.
41:14
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, after how it's gone, you know, I saw
41:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Was it Paul said he'd love to see the bears beat Rogers, but not when he's injured.
41:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, how many times have we seen Rogers get injured in a game and then come back and beat us, too.
41:26
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's happened more than once
41:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like fairly confident he's going to be out there.
41:33
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know.
41:33
[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't practice today.
41:34
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's wanting to play in Caleb's talked about that Aaron was his favorite player growing up.
41:40
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so like for him, you almost want him to have the match up, you know, something that he's probably dreamed about.
41:46
[SPEAKER_00]: But Q, I hate this guy too.
41:48
[SPEAKER_00]: So much for a number of reasons, a number of reasons.
41:52
[SPEAKER_00]: But most notably,
41:54
[SPEAKER_00]: the dominance over our bears.
41:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And you made a great point about the closure thing because at that whole week with that Minnesota game is just like implanted in my mind.
42:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember everything about it.
42:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Just like my wife from Minnesota, that was the first year we were dating.
42:07
[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember being up in Minnesota the week of the game and everyone talking about it, are they going to move the game and the field's going to be like I is.
42:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they move the game and then I'm like texting with my now sister in law about the game and the picture of
42:24
[SPEAKER_00]: So bad who would it be on the bear's defense though?
42:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, texture
42:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe Montez.
42:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Booker.
42:32
[SPEAKER_03]: Montez.
42:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Booker?
42:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Booker is a good one.
42:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Booker.
42:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Booker would be great.
42:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
42:36
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like photogenic picture.
42:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
42:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Booker would be outstanding.
42:41
[SPEAKER_00]: That Brian, you know, those autographs, my daughter has got from him at training camp would be even more special for that.
42:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
42:46
[SPEAKER_00]: We're the case.
42:47
[SPEAKER_03]: But you know, it's going to be like the Corey Weoten of the defense though, right?
42:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
42:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, no disrespect, Corey Weoten.
42:54
[SPEAKER_03]: You played well for the bearers.
42:55
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's going to be a guy who, like,
42:56
[SPEAKER_03]: is not a legend within the VAERS for engineering.
43:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I wouldn't mind seeing big bill laying on top of them.
43:03
[SPEAKER_01]: You would take in a 15-year penalty and ruin in the day for me, you know?
43:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, no for sure.
43:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know.
43:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess if I had to pick, I'll say, just put them out there.
43:16
[SPEAKER_00]: See what happens.
43:17
[SPEAKER_00]: But man, I sure hope we can come through on beat them because you talk about the playoff odds, Brian, but also just obviously the narrative of Aaron all these years and hopefully getting a win over him.
43:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Should we go into predictions, Brian, or should we go this?
43:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, line question you have.
43:34
[SPEAKER_00]: How are you feeling right now?
43:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm feeling good.
43:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm ready to talk Steelers and then make predictions after that.
43:40
[SPEAKER_00]: OK, let's keep it going with the Steelers then.
43:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
43:44
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so we got Rogers.
43:46
[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about the Injury to Jalen Warren.
43:49
[SPEAKER_00]: The defense is...
43:51
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, a little bit older, but some big names out there, I think there's going to be opportunities, though, for us to make some plays, if we can be in sync early, unlike last week, I mean, how do you feel about this matchup with the, with the Stealer's defense.
44:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, they scare me.
44:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Alex High Smith might be the best pass for us sure that Theo Bennett seen all year like from a on the left side, at least like he saw a little bit of Max Crosby against Vegas, but like I don't think he's seen a one the caliber of Alex High Smith on left side and that worries me especially when you're talking about a defensive line that you know really forces your hand.
44:30
[SPEAKER_03]: It's really hard to help off of other guys because you
44:34
[SPEAKER_03]: you have Hayward, you have Keanu Benton, you have Derek Harman, and of course TJ Watt out there, like that, that combined with a, and I don't think this is cognitive attack, but like their second area is very veteran and they're getting DJs or Darius Slayback, like
44:55
[SPEAKER_03]: They can run all the gamut of different conferences.
44:58
[SPEAKER_03]: They're one of the more diverse coverage units in the league.
45:01
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think a big part of that is because of how much experience they have on the back end.
45:05
[SPEAKER_03]: And that that mix with the past rush danger like that.
45:10
[SPEAKER_03]: It worries me.
45:11
[SPEAKER_03]: I think their defense is much more talented than there was all to have been this year.
45:14
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just, it does scare me something.
45:19
[SPEAKER_00]: OK, what about you, Brian?
45:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I think they match up really well against us for sure.
45:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, we having those those two, not just fast get off quick edges, but they're also vets.
45:35
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, high spith has been learning underneath the tutelage of of of watt now.
45:41
[SPEAKER_01]: for, I don't know, four or five years or so, maybe more I think.
45:45
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, they've got some solid linebackers that can run.
45:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that the, so I think a couple, a couple moves there.
45:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I think really solidified what Q's talking about for me.
45:59
[SPEAKER_01]: getting Jalen Ramsey out of the corner spot because he's a liability, moving him back in the safety spot.
46:05
[SPEAKER_01]: He elongated his career was a really smart move for them.
46:08
[SPEAKER_01]: He keeps his nastiness, his vision, his IQ, and it kind of, it broadens his, his reach, if you will.
46:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the acquisition of Kyle Dugger, who's a guy I love.
46:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I love Kyle Dugger.
46:20
[SPEAKER_01]: He actually played ball not too far from where
46:26
[SPEAKER_01]: And when they picked him up, and then he showed he had a pick six last week, you know, he's another guy, a vet guy played for, for Bella check, and he was here.
46:35
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a smart, heavy dude, you get sleigh back, you've got joy ported, they've got some pieces that said,
46:43
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we've got some horses on offense.
46:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is going to be a quick game for us.
46:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Kales, we need to get rid of the ball, get to his playmakers, and I don't think they have anybody that can keep up with Luther burden, especially seeing him now in the slot the third, third receiver role, you know, kind of taking that over, I'm expecting a big big game from him, and we've got two tight ends that can do it.
47:07
[SPEAKER_01]: But like like Coach Johnson said, these are two teams that want to beat you to submission.
47:13
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm looking forward to seeing and that's why I wore this old school jersey because it's going to be an old black and blue type of game this weekend, it's sold your field and you know, I think I think it's going to be real physical and and you know we don't care what covers your run and if we're pound of the ball down or throw it to be honest with you.
47:36
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see but I am nervous for sure.
47:39
[SPEAKER_00]: every single week that Brian has worn a jersey on this program, the bears have won.
47:46
[SPEAKER_00]: So just know that.
47:47
[SPEAKER_00]: He's worn the jersey tonight.
47:48
[SPEAKER_00]: So what's that jersey's record?
47:52
[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of those ones, yeah, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of them, one of
48:21
[SPEAKER_00]: There can be plays to be made against that secondary.
48:24
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, the front of the defense is definitely the more wild card because you got people like Hayward, who's a veteran, but he can still make some noise.
48:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the stats aren't like jumping off the page this year, but he's still pre-tavic and then obviously TJ Watt could be a problem.
48:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, we got to get the run game going as always, but I think if Caleb can play within rhythm within the offense and get the ball up quickly, you know, like it like an Aaron Rogers does.
48:50
[SPEAKER_00]: If he can mimic his hero over there this week and get that ball out quickly, I think they'll be plays to be made from a wide receivers and it would be cool to see Colston getting the ball earlier in the game.
49:00
[SPEAKER_00]: That's been one of my complaints is we're only seeing him late in the games really making an impact in the passing game.
49:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to see him more involved throughout the entire game.
49:09
[SPEAKER_00]: especially if he's going to be as big of a mismatch as as you think Brian.
49:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and one thing I'll also add is we need to catch the catchable like this.
49:19
[SPEAKER_01]: We've been playing sloppy ball all season.
49:22
[SPEAKER_01]: This is when we need to start putting it together.
49:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Now granted it's not a conference game, but this is still a great team we're playing up against.
49:28
[SPEAKER_01]: This is playoff football this week.
49:30
[SPEAKER_01]: And we need to not drop passes, like we've been dropping.
49:36
[SPEAKER_01]: We need to continue to improve in the pre-snap penalty arena.
49:41
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the game we need to start putting it together.
49:43
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think if we play a clean game on all three phases, I think we should absolutely hang with these guys and win the game.
49:51
[SPEAKER_01]: It's when we start, because they're a veteran unit on both sides,
49:57
[SPEAKER_01]: when we start making some mistakes, they can capitalize on, I'm concerned about that.
50:02
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what Aaron Rodgers did, his whole career.
50:04
[SPEAKER_01]: They get the ball back from a J-cut-ler interception.
50:07
[SPEAKER_01]: He puts money in his own.
50:09
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just kind of done that.
50:10
[SPEAKER_01]: So we need to play clean ball this week.
50:13
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's going to be the biggest thing for me.
50:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of J-color, how long have you seen these stories out there this week about this guy?
50:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he needs to be on bears overbears from what I'm seeing.
50:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I did not see what happened.
50:31
[SPEAKER_00]: There's some story, he was outparty and with the offense or something, who told that?
50:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, how long?
50:38
[SPEAKER_01]: When they played, yeah, how long it's talked about.
50:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was kind of long.
50:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Another guy we want to get on the program, but he talked about how he thought the next morning someone was breaking in his house, but it was Jay trying to make sure he'd get the practice on time because they had been out drinking so much the night before or something.
50:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
50:54
[SPEAKER_00]: What a good teammate.
50:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
50:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a quarterback you want right there.
50:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
50:59
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's do the predictions.
51:00
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we can close that online topics and sets, you know, cue specialty here.
51:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we'll hit the road.
51:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think I think you got a hard out tonight from what I was told.
51:07
[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to keep you too late.
51:09
[SPEAKER_03]: So I've got some flexibility.
51:10
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think it'll be fine.
51:12
[SPEAKER_00]: OK.
51:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Prediction, Brian, give me your score of prediction.
51:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, boy, let's say 23, 23 20 bears win.
51:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
51:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Another close one.
51:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Cardiac Bears again.
51:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Key what you got.
51:28
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the the ghosts of George Hallison aren't Rooney or up there fighting and having all throughout this game.
51:34
[SPEAKER_03]: These games are always weird, always extremely close and always just like disgustingly physical.
51:41
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think like to Brian's point in earlier is going to be extremely physical football game.
51:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe one of the most physical in the entire NFL season this year.
51:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, who?
51:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
51:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what is it like the Steelers have a one in Chicago and 30 plus years or something like that?
52:00
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're one and eight.
52:01
[SPEAKER_03]: It's older field.
52:02
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it is.
52:03
[SPEAKER_03]: The last time they were there that was we're talking on the podcast night.
52:08
[SPEAKER_03]: That was the Mike Glennon game that went to overtime, where to reach Koen ran in a touchdown, but then I called back for going out of bounds, and then like the very like two plays later, Jordan Howard runs in over time.
52:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
52:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
52:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Mike Glennon had like a hundred passing yards and
52:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and that was at Marcus Cooper had the block field goal return that he dropped right in front of the end zone
52:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Pittsburgh's only win at Chicago, November 5th of 95 over time, 3734.
52:40
[SPEAKER_00]: The house is in the Rudy's up in the heavens.
52:43
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to add it on these two teams.
52:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Niel O'Donnell, 341 yards passing two TDs, two interceptions, Eric Kramer, 228, three touchdowns, three interceptions.
52:56
[SPEAKER_01]: What was that drone bed is?
52:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Or is that, um,
52:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Here we go, let's see, Eric P. Grum.
53:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 61 yards rushing, Rochon, Salam 63 yards rushing.
53:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we think that 108 yards receiving.
53:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Jeff Graham 111 for the bears.
53:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, my games, I went to soldier field was a home opener against the sealers, cutler and big band.
53:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Went with my cousin's shout out to Dave if you're watching this and in the bears one that one So it was close game two.
53:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was like 14 17 something like that It was I see right here on the list.
53:37
[SPEAKER_00]: You know Vembers or September 20th 2009 colors first year in Chicago Was it yeah, I do remember that last match up they had
53:46
[SPEAKER_00]: In November of 21, I think that was a prime time game and and fields was ball and out.
53:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And it looked like we were going to win and then we lost 2729.
53:55
[SPEAKER_03]: How many years of faith I put in the fields?
53:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I know I know I was seeing like it was going to be coming out.
54:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Party.
54:02
[SPEAKER_03]: The cashiest marsh game right where the ref takes a fight with cashiest marsh.
54:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you just got signed like that week.
54:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
54:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
54:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
54:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
54:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
54:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
54:14
[SPEAKER_01]: The fields was throwing darts all over the field to Mooney and A-Rub, that game.
54:19
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was, yeah.
54:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, gosh, you can do it.
54:21
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the guy.
54:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Just like I thought, this is him.
54:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it'll be close this week.
54:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to say bears 27 24 with 27 24.
54:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, we'll see.
54:35
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.
54:36
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to get this last topic in Brian?
54:37
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to ask him?
54:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, line?
54:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
54:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, so Q, you've been doing the grading this whole time.
54:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And
54:48
[SPEAKER_01]: obviously the addition of our three interior guys have been massive to our whole team.
54:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Who would you say is most valuable in your opinion as far as the three interior additions are concerned?
55:07
[SPEAKER_03]: I know that's mainly tough.
55:09
[SPEAKER_03]: So
55:10
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's either Dollmen or Tuney and my heart says Tuney because I preached before free agency last year before I could trade happened and everything that the bears needed to go get a respected vet because they were the leader of your own wine room cannot be a guy in a working contract.
55:30
[SPEAKER_03]: And it cannot be some guy signed for six million a year, right?
55:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it needs to be someone who has the first on the wall who has has the success in this league and is truly getting paid.
55:43
[SPEAKER_03]: So when he opens his mouth, everyone else knows, I gotta listen if I want to get paid like that guy's.
55:48
[SPEAKER_03]: And so to me, that's that is Joe Tune, Joe Tune knows what it takes to win championships, knows the amount of work that it takes to put in,
55:57
[SPEAKER_03]: protect for champions of quarterbacks like Tom Brady and Pat Mahomes and what the what the bar of expectation is and like the more I like there's I look around the league there's so many offensive lines that have this
56:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Reck was it amount of talent, right, but there's something missing that is can never quite get it all to work right and like that's where the bears were for a few years there That's where like, but then I look at the Rams and I'm like They sound plumbers off the street and their play and well, right like what's the difference here and it's it has to be That veteran leader in the room, which I think Dalman can fit as well, but I think Tony is the top dog in that room, and so it's close between the two by half
56:43
[SPEAKER_03]: me.
56:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
56:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm with you.
56:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I hear everything you're saying.
56:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I feel gosh, man, it's been so long so as we've had a damn center.
56:53
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's so nice to have a dependable pivot up front.
56:59
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I just gosh, it's just, and I think that's more, you know, speaking out of my trauma than anything because tuning obviously is the guy that's been the Super Bowl's one to Super Bowl's play with all these quarterbacks.
57:09
[SPEAKER_01]: These excellent offences.
57:12
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's nice to have a center for sure.
57:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, and we, you start talking about like the protection aspect and call them out the protections, what Tony does from a community or what, I'm sorry, Dalman does from a communication standpoint out there that huge, I think that's what makes it such a tough question to answer.
57:30
[SPEAKER_03]: But at the end of the day, I think Darnell writes growth this year.
57:35
[SPEAKER_03]: I think a big chunk of that is from looking at Joe tuning on, oh, that's how much work you have put in to be great.
57:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's going to benefit everybody and, you know, you have, like you talked about with Jalen Johnson being a multiplier on defense, I think Tune is like that, especially for the offensive line.
57:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, is there a coincidence that Darnell Wright is playing the best ball of his life this season?
57:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
57:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I think not.
58:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would agree.
58:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
58:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, great answer.
58:04
[SPEAKER_00]: This has been a awesome discussion tonight and we know you're busy guy and appreciate you joining us and, you know, contributing this conversation this week.
58:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll want you to let the listeners know where they can find your work and listen to you more.
58:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I appreciate you guys having me on.
58:18
[SPEAKER_03]: So I write over it on tap sportsnet.com.
58:23
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58:26
[SPEAKER_03]: You can find it under the on tap sportsnet YouTube handle or anywhere you find podcasts just under the title Bears on Tap.
58:34
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I also do a NFL gambling podcast called the shaving points podcast where we every week We go through all the lines and we we make picks and just talk through each game It's just me and my college buddy.
58:47
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59:01
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59:03
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[SPEAKER_00]: It gets a bit of steelers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can follow me on Twitter at Ryan Drosty and he is at Brian Orangeuk, Brian.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been blessed and usual.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Always choose at one bear down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cheers, see y'all next week.