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Chuck & Buck 11-19 Hour 3: Cam Cleeland, peeking at the Crystal Ball and are we ready for more K-9? · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: Your own for Husky Football probably presents our weekly visit
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Speaker 1: with a voice of the Dogs, Cam Cleveland.
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Speaker 1: Now here's chucking bug with a former Husky tight end
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Speaker 3: H.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it's time to talk to Cam Cleveland here on
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Speaker 2: the program. I just want to say one other things
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Speaker 2: and then we'll get Cam's thoughts on this. From the
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Speaker 2: previous segment, like Ole miss is getting recruiting classes on
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Speaker 2: par with Alabama for the first time like ever. Part
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Speaker 2: of that is Lane Kiffin, I think is pretty gifted
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Speaker 2: in a living room, pretty charming guy when he wants
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Speaker 2: to be pretty charismatic. But other part of it is
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Speaker 2: he's getting the nil moneies. Even though he doesn't have
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Speaker 2: a program as elite as LSU or Florida, He's still
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Speaker 2: winning and out recruiting nearly everybody in the SEC right now.
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Speaker 2: So what is the problem, Lane?
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Speaker 4: Why?
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Speaker 2: Why are you looking for green or grass when you
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Speaker 2: actually are beating some of those blue bloods at the
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Speaker 2: recruiting game because of you, and you're in il monies
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Speaker 2: and because Oxford is such a cool campus.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, unless he just feels like, boy, I can imagine
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Speaker 5: how great my recruiting could be if I could just
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Speaker 5: put a fence around Florida.
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Speaker 2: Nobody's putting a fence around Florida. You got Miami, you
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Speaker 2: got Florida State, and you got everybody in the country
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Speaker 2: trying to take players out of Florida.
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Speaker 5: If you're a coach, especially these top guys, and they
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Speaker 5: probably think, oh, just imagine what I could do with that.
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Speaker 2: Well, joining us now is Cam Cleveland.
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Speaker 6: Good morning, Cam, Hey, good morning, gentlemen. How's it treating
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Speaker 6: you well?
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Speaker 2: I just you can weigh in on this, because I
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Speaker 2: just spent the last second talking to if Steve Sarkeesian
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Speaker 2: can't be happy in Austin, Texas running the Texas Longhorns,
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Speaker 2: and there are reports that he wants out, and Lane
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Speaker 2: Kiffin is once out of Oxford, where he's being treated
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Speaker 2: like a god because ell Miss has reached its greatest
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Speaker 2: heights under his direction. I mean, we've spent five years
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Speaker 2: in this nil period, coaches complaining that there's no loyalty
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Speaker 2: from these players, and it's like, well, there's no loyalty
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Speaker 2: with you either. I mean, if you can't be happy
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Speaker 2: at Austin, Texas. Where are you going to be happy?
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Speaker 3: Cam?
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Speaker 6: Well, that's I think that's the dilemma that we're in.
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Speaker 6: And then the the point all of it is is
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Speaker 6: doesn't matter what brand you wear in your helmet or
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Speaker 6: what logo you have, if you have people with revenue
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Speaker 6: that are willing to spend it, you can win.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think that Kurt.
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Speaker 6: I think, guys, really, I think Kurt Signetti changed college
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Speaker 6: football in his two years. I think he has thrown
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Speaker 6: an extremely massive monkey ranch.
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Speaker 4: Into college football.
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Speaker 6: And it's not just his It's not like just what
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Speaker 6: he was able to accomplish so quickly. It's because these
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Speaker 6: conferences are so big, and that scheduling is it's impossible
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Speaker 6: to balance scheduling, so you get big sways and misses
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Speaker 6: with certain and how it's built. Like cal Wisconsin had
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Speaker 6: to play a one of the hardest schedules, if not
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Speaker 6: the hardest schedule in all of the country, and somehow
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Speaker 6: Indiana has had easy schedules the last two years. I
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Speaker 6: don't want to say what it's easy, but you know
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Speaker 6: what I mean. When you have an eighteen team conference
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Speaker 6: and you have a sixteen team conference and everybody's looking
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Speaker 6: for grass is always greener. I don't think it exists, guys,
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Speaker 6: I don't. I think Clyde. I think the way the
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Speaker 6: classes are now, I think that talent has been spread out. Yep,
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Speaker 6: you cannot have three deep anymore. You're lucky to have
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Speaker 6: a deep and a half because if you don't play
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Speaker 6: that kid, guess what he guess where he goes. He's
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Speaker 6: Juliansane from Alabama. Now he's could be the number one
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Speaker 6: quarterback in all the country at Ohio State.
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Speaker 4: That's how it happens, and it happens quick.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody brings up the Indiana signetti and it's a
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Speaker 2: great example. But look at what Texas Tech did. Texas
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Speaker 2: Tech became the same thing powerhouse overnight because they have
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Speaker 2: three or four guys nil money that are like, go
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Speaker 2: get whoever you want, coach. You know it just I
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Speaker 2: just want the Raiders to win oil money. Yes, and
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Speaker 2: now all of a sudden they're an overnight powerhouse. I mean,
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Speaker 2: is there any advantage at being at Florida over Texas Tech?
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Speaker 2: Right now? As the head coach, I think I'd want
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Speaker 2: to be where I've got rich oil, silly rich oil
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Speaker 2: guys giving me money to go get players.
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Speaker 6: Well, and truthfully, everybody else that's looking around the country,
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Speaker 6: you know what, you know, who's this over there laughing going, guys,
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Speaker 6: welcome to our Oregan and Phil they've been They're like, hey,
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Speaker 6: welcome to our blueprint. Welcome to the blueprint. And we've
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Speaker 6: been doing this longer than you guys have been awake.
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Speaker 6: You just figuring this out. So I mean, you guys
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Speaker 6: are all acting like we like we created this, and
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Speaker 6: I'm not kidding you. They did, and they're up in
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Speaker 6: the top corner and they've had to pull people and
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Speaker 6: get guys from around the country. And so yeah, you're
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Speaker 6: you're exactly right. I'd like to go to a place,
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Speaker 6: and it just depends on the kind of coach and
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Speaker 6: the kind of person you want to be with us.
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Speaker 6: And right now, unfortunately, and I'm going to say the
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Speaker 6: reality of what it is, the SEC controls college football,
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Speaker 6: ESPN controls college football. The mouths and the eyes do it,
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Speaker 6: and that is the conference that everybody thinks is the mecca.
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Speaker 4: But unfortunate, but also the.
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Speaker 6: Last two college football champions come from the Big Ten,
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Speaker 6: so there's been a little bit of monkey Ranch.
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Speaker 4: In their mind.
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Speaker 6: So there's a lot of there's a lot of drama.
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Speaker 6: It's like a giant soap opera a college football and
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Speaker 6: I kind of like it.
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Speaker 5: Like well, I mean time is somewhat into you, Dubbed
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Speaker 5: then I mean if if the the grass is greener
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Speaker 5: on the other side of the fence for a lot
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Speaker 5: of these coaches, I mean, where is the feeling right
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Speaker 5: now for you? And what do you think the national
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Speaker 5: feeling is about you? Dub Is you Dubbs grass well
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Speaker 5: really green? Because I mean we've we've we're still here
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Speaker 5: in rumors of whether Jedfish is wanting to stay or
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Speaker 5: whether he would think that there's a greener grass.
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Speaker 6: Well, I take I'm a Husky for life. I'm never
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Speaker 6: going to deviate from from what I I mean, I
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Speaker 6: was born to play and that's it may sound a
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Speaker 6: little cheesy, but I grew up in the Northwest and
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Speaker 6: I always wanted to wear that. So that's my connection,
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Speaker 6: is my regional connection. You can't take that away. That's
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Speaker 6: never College football is way too regional, it's way too tribal.
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Speaker 6: It's it's it we're trying to create.
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Speaker 4: Though.
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Speaker 6: My my concern it always is, is I want to
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Speaker 6: I want to make Husky fans. I want to create
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Speaker 6: a new a new group of young kids and families
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Speaker 6: that take their kids to Husky games. And that's that's
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Speaker 6: how you do it. And I want it to be
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Speaker 6: their religion. It's that sounds strange, but you want to
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Speaker 6: talk about it during the week. You want to have that.
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Speaker 6: That's my only fear of what I look regionally and
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Speaker 6: why it's different. And I think we can still get that.
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Speaker 6: But when we talk about what coach Fish does, I
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Speaker 6: have no idea. I mean the way he wants to
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Speaker 6: be right now, he's washing Husk he's head coach, and I,
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Speaker 6: like I said last week, I'm fully on board with
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Speaker 6: supporting it. And when you look at this talent that
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Speaker 6: we do have, look at all the freshmen. Nobody's playing
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Speaker 6: more freshmen in the country than Jed Fish. Over two
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Speaker 6: thousand snaps have come from true freshmen this year. That's incredible,
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Speaker 6: the amount of kids that he's had, and it really
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Speaker 6: shows the depth and how he's building it and what
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Speaker 6: he's had to build with young talent, and how the
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Speaker 6: cupboards were bare when Calen left and how he had
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Speaker 6: to interject his type of guy but go on the
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Speaker 6: transfer portal and now you're sitting at seven wins. You
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Speaker 6: have a chance to get to eight and nine and
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Speaker 6: knock off Oregan. I have to take a positive spin
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Speaker 6: on this when he's been able to do because there's
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Speaker 6: been guys that have taken over programs and it's ugly
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Speaker 6: and it's and not been able to be significant. So
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Speaker 6: he's done a great job so far in this two
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Speaker 6: year run and he's building young talent and getting guys
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Speaker 6: to be here, and that's what it takes.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Cam Cleveland is with us former U tied end and
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Speaker 2: current color analysts on the Huskies broadcast right here on
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Speaker 2: us every Wednesday at this time to talk some Huskies football.
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Speaker 2: Thanks to Warrior Injury law, battle tested, well, Washington gets
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Speaker 2: back on the winning track Saturday against Purdue. I know
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Speaker 2: Purdue's not a good team, but what were beyond the score,
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Speaker 2: the encouraging signs that the Huskies got back on track
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Speaker 2: toward becoming a better team growing last week against the
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Speaker 2: boiler Makers.
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Speaker 6: Well, let's start with the good stuff. Is being able
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Speaker 6: to run the football? That was really good. Everybody wants
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Speaker 6: to talk about how well the offense played and demand played.
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Speaker 6: I thought that was great. You had to move John
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Speaker 6: Mills to right tackle, which was again, here's an eight
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Speaker 6: teen year old kid now that can be one of
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Speaker 6: the most versatile alignment in the country. Jumps to the
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Speaker 6: right side. You're redoing a little bit of your out.
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Speaker 6: You lose your best wide receiver, you have your starting
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Speaker 6: running backs not out. But then you bring in a
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Speaker 6: young freshman, you have Adam Muhammad, and you ran the
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Speaker 6: football extremely well and you took care of the football.
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Speaker 6: The thing that I'm really impressed with right now, guys,
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Speaker 6: is how good our defense is playing and how well
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Speaker 6: they're playing. And you know, coach Walters, he had I
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Speaker 6: don't know if he had extra motivation, but he was
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Speaker 6: very familiar with that team and their scheme and the
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Speaker 6: coaches and what they wanted to do. And I don't
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Speaker 6: see a lot of two quarterback systems that I would
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Speaker 6: ever play. And Purdue tried to play it. Although they played.
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Speaker 6: I wanted Middleton the most, but it it's just it.
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Speaker 6: It didn't look like it was working, but it didn't
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Speaker 6: matter because our defense was playing, I mean, lights out secondary.
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Speaker 6: So I'm I'm crazy encouraged with how well, the defense
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Speaker 6: is playing, especially under these last two games, and seeing
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Speaker 6: our offense it is still it's still a work in progress.
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Speaker 6: I'm just going to tell you Demon was better in
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Speaker 6: the pocket.
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Speaker 4: You could.
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Speaker 6: Coach Fist said that in his press conference, also mentioning
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Speaker 6: out he was more efficient in the pocket getting ready
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Speaker 6: of the football. Decorad Graft was really good. You got
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Speaker 6: to see him catch the football a lot. But we're
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Speaker 6: we're a strange group. Forty five points that we score
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Speaker 6: on average at home in Big Ten, seven points on
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Speaker 6: the road.
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Speaker 4: Our offense scores in the Big Ten.
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Speaker 6: That is an extreme discrepancy between the two offenses. One
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Speaker 6: is a home cooking one is I don't know, you're
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Speaker 6: eating kale on the road.
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Speaker 4: I don't know what's going on.
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Speaker 6: So whatever, we need to figure it out. And when
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Speaker 6: we go down to the Rose Bowl this week, we
10:50
Speaker 6: have to take maybe it's a southern drop, that's a
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Speaker 6: better plane flight that direction, I means mid the east
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Speaker 6: flight is not as good. So we need to find
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Speaker 6: a way to take that offense and put some points
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Speaker 6: up on grass cam.
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Speaker 5: The The defense has been pretty impressive. I mean, I
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Speaker 5: think coming into the season most were thinking the secondary,
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Speaker 5: especially with the length on the outside, was going to
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Speaker 5: be good. And yet I remember thinking the first couple
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Speaker 5: of games, even against like Colorado State, that they was like, boy,
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Speaker 5: there's times when the front seven didn't necessarily are you
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Speaker 5: are you feeling like the front seven that the run
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Speaker 5: defense has short itself up to over the last few weeks.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think not only just the run defense, but
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Speaker 6: the linebacker crew. And again another freshman's day, Zadari's Rainy
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Speaker 6: Salle who's he had to pick? I thought he was
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Speaker 6: one of his best games. Not only had him as
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Speaker 6: player of the game. On the defense, a lot of
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Speaker 6: solo tackles, the linebacker crew, x Ray, Alexander who, all
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Speaker 6: those guys have settled in and they just settled into
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Speaker 6: a good feeling. And everybody that we faced this year,
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Speaker 6: guys has run.
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Speaker 4: This exact same offense.
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Speaker 6: Like look, chick Kelly changed college football, but even what
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Speaker 6: he did at Ohio State, everybody in the Big Ten
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Speaker 6: copies and when I mean everybody, every except us, like
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Speaker 6: one of us and probably now I would say maybe USC,
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Speaker 6: but everybody has copycat styles. And Purdue was exactly the same.
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Speaker 6: They ran the same thing as Ohio State, the same
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Speaker 6: thing as Wisconsin, because Wisconsin changed their offense that week
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Speaker 6: to try to adapt to more run schemes. You've seen
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Speaker 6: it from anybody that wants to run double polls or
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Speaker 6: downhill tight ends crossing the way Michigan runs it. We've
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Speaker 6: had to adapt and coach Walters and that crew has
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Speaker 6: gotten so much better with their discipline. Now, yes, the
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Speaker 6: talent is different. It's not Ohio State, it's not Michigan. Okay,
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Speaker 6: you faced the Illinois team who ran that same style
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Speaker 6: and he played very very well. The elements were garbage
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Speaker 6: at Wisconsin and this week e c La. I don't
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Speaker 6: know what you're gonna see. I mean, there's just it
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Speaker 6: could be anything. I mean, Jerry Neuheisel, I mean, we
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Speaker 6: all know what. Who knows what.
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Speaker 4: They could throw monkey wrenches in whatever they want to run.
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Speaker 4: It doesn't matter. I think this defense is playing excellent. Man.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think I think you've gone You've given
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Speaker 2: two compliments to Orgon. That's two more than I think
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Speaker 2: you're allowed to give to the organ DUC program.
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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, not a compliment, it's just stating facts.
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Speaker 6: But that's staying it.
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Speaker 4: Don't say that on that matter.
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Speaker 2: Very good facts, Good job before we get to UCLA.
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Speaker 2: You know, it seems you brought the freshman thing up,
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Speaker 2: and I do want to ask, is John Mills so
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Speaker 2: good that I mean, is he inevitably going to be
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Speaker 2: left tackle? Not just with the Huskiers, but that's his
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Speaker 2: long term NFL as well? And then Jordan Washington, I mean,
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Speaker 2: he's kind of has an unorthodox gait about him. He
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Speaker 2: looked kind of you know, I don't know, there was
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Speaker 2: just like too much. It didn't look like Carl Lewis,
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Speaker 2: you know, running, and yet he was running away from
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Speaker 2: fools on Saturday. How fast is that, dude? So Mills
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Speaker 2: future left tackle? How fast is Jordan Washington?
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Speaker 4: Well say it with me.
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Speaker 6: With all those freshmen, I mean, and I'm so great
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Speaker 6: to hear that. Raydon Winesbright is okay after that shot.
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Speaker 6: I know that's all scary too. But the freshman Des
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Speaker 6: Roebuck and then Jordan Washington and John Mills, And yeah,
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Speaker 6: I think Johnny is just because he's physically so gifted
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Speaker 6: at his size already he could play anywhere on the
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Speaker 6: offensive line. But I think eventually you have to make
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Speaker 6: what's called a business decision, right, and that's fair.
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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna.
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Speaker 6: I mean, when you're six six almost six seven, three
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Speaker 6: hundred and thirty pounds and you can play. Now, the
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Speaker 6: thing is when you play out on the edge at
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Speaker 6: left tackle, you have to be as athletic and long
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Speaker 6: and strong, and he has all those abilities. So yeah,
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Speaker 6: I think he can play that spot. I'm not going
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Speaker 6: to tell you that he can't play guard also, but
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Speaker 6: it really depends on where he wants to settle in
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Speaker 6: and what he figures out.
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Speaker 4: Is his best side.
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Speaker 6: He might like the I tackle side, truthfully, and and
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Speaker 6: we'll see. But Jordan is again, you don't really notice
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Speaker 6: how fast somebody is until you see them run a
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Speaker 6: play and you go, all right, that guy should have
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Speaker 6: the angle on him. Nope, nope not and he goes
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Speaker 6: by everybody. Yeah, he's he's pretty fast. And I said
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Speaker 6: this on the broadcast. I'd love to see him in
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Speaker 6: demand in a race, and I've heard the word is
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Speaker 6: they're very close and demand is faster, and I went, okay,
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Speaker 6: now that's different. Uh, but it's but in my mind
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Speaker 6: when I see a freshman run like that, I think
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Speaker 6: long time ago. I know, back in when we were
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Speaker 6: still chewing on on bones and and and in cars
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Speaker 6: with our feet like Fred Flintstone, I think a Napoleon
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Speaker 6: Kaufman watching a freshman turn a corner. That's that's the
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Speaker 6: kind of speed he has. Uh Now, strength wise, it's
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Speaker 6: he needs. As he gets stronger in the weight room,
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Speaker 6: he comes better. But yeah, it's you don't. That's just
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Speaker 6: a gift, guys, you just don't. You can't just make that.
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Speaker 4: A kid just shows up on campus and can run
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Speaker 4: like that is incredible.
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Speaker 5: Obviously, you want to find a way to win this
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Speaker 5: game against UCLA this weekend. I think Havin Jonah Coleman
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Speaker 5: and Boston Denzel Boston back would be one step in
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Speaker 5: that right direction. Any word or what do you think
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Speaker 5: about their availability?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I haven't seen it, and so truthfully, guys, I don't.
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Speaker 6: I wouldn't expect it, not that I have. Again, I'm
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Speaker 6: not the insider that it talks to the trainers and
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Speaker 6: all of that. But I'm looking at it from a
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Speaker 6: perspective of these guys are both high competitive. It's gonna
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Speaker 6: be hard to keep them off the field. But can
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Speaker 6: you win this football game? And my question is, can
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Speaker 6: you win this football game at UCLA with who you
16:42
Speaker 6: have in the receiver room? And who you have in
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Speaker 6: the running back room right now on the road against
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Speaker 6: UCLA without those two guys, I feel like you can
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Speaker 6: if you play the way you should the way you
16:53
Speaker 6: should like you do at Husky Stadium and compliment that
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Speaker 6: on the road and save those guys healthwise. For arguably
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Speaker 6: it's going to be the biggest game of the season
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Speaker 6: at the end of the year. But you have to
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Speaker 6: win this one. You can't lay the egg and overlook
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Speaker 6: like you did at Wisconsin and Elements or Elements. You
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Speaker 6: have to win games week ot and weekend and week out.
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Speaker 6: So what I'd love to see them on the field,
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Speaker 6: of course I would, because they are difference makers. And
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Speaker 6: if they're not, then again, we got a bunch of
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Speaker 6: freshmen that are excited to play.
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Speaker 2: I'm happy to see more Jordan Washington. Frankly, nothing against
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Speaker 2: Jonah Coleman, but I'd like to see him play a
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Speaker 2: little bit more in this game against the Bruins. All right,
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Speaker 2: in our last minute here, isn't it nice to face
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Speaker 2: a conference rival that's actually a conference rival?
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Speaker 6: How about that there's actually familiarity And the other thing
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Speaker 6: is there's history and we're losing the Rose Bowl. Guys,
17:49
Speaker 6: we're losing the Rose Bowl. Now, I know why they're
17:51
Speaker 6: going to go to Sofar. I get it, there's more
17:54
Speaker 6: amenities there. But the thing that the Rose Buls no
17:57
Speaker 6: longer be part of UCLA. Ah, it just that hurts.
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Speaker 6: Everything we grew up with, guys, is just gone. It's
18:06
Speaker 6: small as much a small a small whipper in my voice.
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Speaker 6: It's a little disappointing. But hopefully the Rose Bowl figures
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Speaker 6: it out and we get the national championship game. There
18:15
Speaker 6: forever figure it out, college football.
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Speaker 2: Figure it out, college football. All right, man, great stuff,
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Speaker 2: up next. We have not had a chance to really
18:57
Speaker 2: discuss my crystal Ball forecast, and so as we enter
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Speaker 2: into hot Stove, and thank you Josh Naylor for lighting
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Speaker 2: and burners. Because I really feel like we're already going
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Speaker 2: this off season. I had to crank my crystal Ball
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Speaker 2: forecast out this week for what I think the Mariners
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Speaker 2: could do this offseason to make this a championship team.
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Speaker 2: We'll go over at next Sports Radio ninety three point
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Speaker 2: three KJRFM Jerry Depoto to talk about Josh Naylor and
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Speaker 2: the rest of the off season. So we're excited having
19:27
Speaker 2: chatted with Jerry in a while, so he'll join us
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Speaker 2: today again live at nine o'clock. Also brand new Stove
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Speaker 2: podcast with Anders Hurst and myself. We went over my
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Speaker 2: crystal Ball forecast for the off season for the Mariners
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Speaker 2: on this particular episode. If you want to check that
19:42
Speaker 2: out out check that out ninety three to three KJR
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Speaker 2: dot com. And you can also read if you want
19:48
Speaker 2: to just go, you know, kick an old school. You
19:50
Speaker 2: can actually read because the old crystal Ball forecast is
19:54
Speaker 2: there for you to read. It's rather lengthy. I mean,
19:57
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it's not just thirteen words that you can
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Speaker 2: breeze through. But nonetheless it's a breakdown of what I
20:05
Speaker 2: think could happen for the Mariners this offseason, and it's
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Speaker 2: actually important to kind of remind you of what it's
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Speaker 2: all about. I gladly accept the financial restrictions Jerry and
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Speaker 2: Justin admittedly operate under to create a doable laundry list
20:19
Speaker 2: of roster moves that I believe would deliver a world
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Speaker 2: championship to Seattle. So that's the mindset going into doing
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Speaker 2: the crystal Ball forecast. Anybody can put together a wish
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Speaker 2: list and spend the Mariners off this Mariner's Ownership's money.
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Speaker 2: I need Kyle Tooker, Kyle Schwarber, and Trek Schouble. You know,
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Speaker 2: anybody can put that together. I try to stay within
20:41
Speaker 2: the parameters that the organization has set forth for how
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Speaker 2: much they're going to spend this offseason to try and
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Speaker 2: create a better team, a better roster to finally win
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Speaker 2: a championship. So that included Josh Naylor being re signed.
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Speaker 2: Check that included either Polonko or swore As being signed.
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Speaker 2: I think that will be the next thing, and according
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Speaker 2: bucket to Justin Holander, might be the next two things.
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Speaker 2: I operate under the belief, and it is detailed in
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Speaker 2: the crystal Ball forecast that it will be Polanco or
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Speaker 2: swore As, with Polonko being the priority. But Justin Olander
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Speaker 2: said yesterday that they want to re sign all three
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Speaker 2: of them, Naylor, Polanco, and Suarez this offseason. That'd be nice,
21:25
Speaker 2: that'd be nice. I take that.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's kind of where my mind has been at.
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Speaker 5: And I mean my heart is like, oh man, you're
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Speaker 5: asking for too much. It's we're creeping up on the
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Speaker 5: Christmas time of year, and I don't know what your
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Speaker 5: folks did, but my folks would give us like the J. C.
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Speaker 5: Pennies catalog or whatever, and we would turn to the
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Speaker 5: toy section and we got to circle what we wanted.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I've never even heard of this, the Draftmas catalog.
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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I didn't know if your parents did
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Speaker 5: that during Christmas or not, but I we we ended up.
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Speaker 5: You know, I would circle a whole bunch of things,
21:58
Speaker 5: basically knowing there's no chance I'm winning at all of that, right,
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Speaker 5: and yet this is one where I don't want to
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Speaker 5: just circle two things. I circled in big boat like
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Speaker 5: a bunch of circles around Josh Nato.
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Speaker 2: That was first and foremost.
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Speaker 5: And yet if they end with just that, like literally
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Speaker 5: come back sands Polonko sans Gino, then I'm like, you're
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Speaker 5: playing with fire here. Did you not really recognize and
22:22
Speaker 5: feel what we did last season and how fun that was?
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Speaker 2: And still it would be we already have a better
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Speaker 2: off season than we had last year. Yeah, even if
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Speaker 2: it just stops they don't do anything else, if they
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Speaker 2: just go fishing in Barbados, we already have had a
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Speaker 2: better off season than we had all of last year.
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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, a full season of Naylor versus most of
22:41
Speaker 5: the season of Solano. That's an alligator mouth towards nails.
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Speaker 4: Yes.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, And yet there's part of me while I understand
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Speaker 5: the exercises trying to figure out what they could and
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Speaker 5: maybe would do within the parameters that we we recognize
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Speaker 5: they set upon themselves and they feel that they have.
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Speaker 5: And yet to me it's hopefully the ownership is the
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Speaker 5: ownership you'd need when you need them to be willing
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Speaker 5: to open it up a little bit. I mean the
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Speaker 5: fact that they end up playing as many postseason games
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Speaker 5: this year that you'd get none of that money if
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Speaker 5: you don't make the postseason, hopefully that like, well, look
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Speaker 5: at all this extra cash we got, let's go ahead
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Speaker 5: and not just bring back one or two, but possibly
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Speaker 5: entertain the idea of having all three.
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Speaker 2: I think it goes the opposite way. I think since
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Speaker 2: they had what I felt was an f of an
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Speaker 2: offseason and then still had created a playoff caliber team,
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Speaker 2: and then when the time came to add the real
23:39
Speaker 2: important pieces for the most important games of the year,
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Speaker 2: that they were aggressive at the trading deadline. Gave them
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Speaker 2: a chance to assess what they do have in house,
23:48
Speaker 2: and then also gave that chance to assess the market.
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Speaker 2: I think they're probably emboldened by that and probably less
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Speaker 2: likely to go further and do that offseason that they've
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Speaker 2: never done, which is ad spend a lot of money
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Speaker 2: and add a lot of free agents or recent or
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Speaker 2: go over the projected payroll. My guess is they're less
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Speaker 2: likely Ashley to do that than they've been before.
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Speaker 7: I would think so too, because they had success with
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Speaker 7: the formula last year, so I.
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Speaker 2: Think they're in love with the formula last.
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Speaker 7: Year and again Jerry brought it up in his post
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Speaker 7: game or postseason comments. He talked about the success of
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Speaker 7: that formula. He said, it worked with Luis Castillo when
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Speaker 7: we brought him in, and then we were able to
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Speaker 7: keep him long term. It's you know, and that's our
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Speaker 7: goal with Naylor and Suarez and is to have these
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Speaker 7: guys come in at the best time of year in Seattle,
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Speaker 7: fall in love with the city, fall in love with
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Speaker 7: the team, and then make their job easier to try
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Speaker 7: to resign them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it did work. It's worked two times with two
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Speaker 2: major players here in Castillo and Naylor. And so I
24:48
Speaker 2: think Castillo is the crux of the Crystal Ball forecast
24:52
Speaker 2: because if you do want an offseason that includes not
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Speaker 2: just bringing back at least two of those three guys
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Speaker 2: that we mentioned, maybe adding something because there's always fun
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Speaker 2: adding something as well. I mean, you don't want to
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Speaker 2: just get your same favorite toy back at Christmas. You know,
25:08
Speaker 2: mom goes in the back and just rewraps your favorite
25:10
Speaker 2: toy that you already had for the last year. I mean,
25:13
Speaker 2: you want something new, something that you circled into your catalog. So,
25:17
Speaker 2: if we're to believe that the Mariners aren't going to
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Speaker 2: go beyond the payroll they finished with at least to
25:22
Speaker 2: start the season, in twenty twenty six, that means you
25:25
Speaker 2: have to create money somewhere. That means you probably have
25:29
Speaker 2: to trade Luis Castillo. It could be Randy a Rose Arena,
25:33
Speaker 2: but Castillo, to me, makes the most sense to move
25:36
Speaker 2: on from now. I have predicted that he was going
25:39
Speaker 2: to be traded now too off seasons in a row.
25:42
Speaker 2: But if you are going to stick to that salary cap,
25:46
Speaker 2: self imposed salary cap that you've given yourself getting rid
25:51
Speaker 2: of Luis Castillo, and I hate to put it that way,
25:53
Speaker 2: but I don't think you're going to get that much
25:55
Speaker 2: in return for him. That's probably the crux of this offseason,
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Speaker 2: whether you can move him and his entire salary to
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Speaker 2: create more spending area.
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Speaker 5: If that's the way that it has to go, I
26:10
Speaker 5: suppose that you know it's it's understandable. I mean, because
26:14
Speaker 5: you are basically relinquishing a piece, and he's been a
26:18
Speaker 5: good piece, and maybe he hasn't been the ace, but
26:21
Speaker 5: that's in large part because you've got a bunch of
26:24
Speaker 5: youngsters that are chomping at the bit to overtake him,
26:27
Speaker 5: and and have overtaken him to some degree. And yet
26:31
Speaker 5: I understand how that would make sense if they if
26:34
Speaker 5: they were going to if they were going to move
26:36
Speaker 5: on from somebody where there's money involved, then it's you
26:40
Speaker 5: move on from the place that you have you know
26:43
Speaker 5: a lot of and that is starting pitching. I mean,
26:45
Speaker 5: they have a lot of good young starting pitching. They're
26:47
Speaker 5: not paying a bunch of money to you know. To me,
26:50
Speaker 5: that would hopefully open up the check book a little
26:53
Speaker 5: bit to where they can start the process of what
26:55
Speaker 5: I want him to do long term wise, and that
26:58
Speaker 5: start locking some of these guys up, locking Gilbert up.
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Speaker 5: But if it's still they're going to kick that can
27:03
Speaker 5: down the road and just do the arbitration thing with
27:05
Speaker 5: him and the rest of these guys that are eligible,
27:07
Speaker 5: and they could go out and spend money on another
27:09
Speaker 5: bat possibly somewhere, whether it's the Polonco and Suarez something
27:14
Speaker 5: like that. Then I like that idea because you do
27:17
Speaker 5: have guys waiting in the wings that are capable of
27:19
Speaker 5: filling that fifth spot in the rotation.
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Speaker 2: I think Gilbert is a very strong candidate for one
27:23
Speaker 2: of those extensions. I did not mention that in the
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Speaker 2: my Crystal Ball forecast, and I meant to. I think
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Speaker 2: he is the candidate this offseason to possibly be given
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Speaker 2: one of those extensions, not only because he's going to
27:35
Speaker 2: be a free agent faster than any of the other
27:37
Speaker 2: starting pitchers, but also he seems like the type of
27:40
Speaker 2: guy that wants to be here, doesn't want to leave Cal' side,
27:43
Speaker 2: loves being a Mariner, and wants to finish this thing off.
27:46
Speaker 2: I think he's the most likely candidate to give you
27:49
Speaker 2: a little bit of a deal, and so I think
27:51
Speaker 2: they are going to work on that this offseason. But
27:54
Speaker 2: if you do move Castillo, and I'm not saying that
27:56
Speaker 2: they will, but if they do move Castillo and it
27:59
Speaker 2: does free ups, it'll be interesting to see if they
28:02
Speaker 2: use that savings to go out and find a cheaper,
28:05
Speaker 2: not necessarily a worse but a cheaper pitch starting pitcher,
28:10
Speaker 2: like I suggest Joe Ryan of Minnesota, who will cost
28:13
Speaker 2: you some prospects. He's gonna cost you a really good
28:16
Speaker 2: package of players. Go but he only costs six million dollars.
28:20
Speaker 2: So go get a Joe Ryan. Or do you trade
28:24
Speaker 2: from that strength that is your starting pitching And if
28:28
Speaker 2: you can't resign all three of those guys, do you
28:31
Speaker 2: go after a bat And that's where maybe Muna Takie Morikami,
28:36
Speaker 2: the new Japanese import that is coming over that the
28:40
Speaker 2: Mariners have been linked to a lot might come into
28:43
Speaker 2: the conversation.
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Speaker 7: I I I just my priority obviously, as you said,
28:49
Speaker 7: the keeping logan Gilbert great. As far as Luis Castillo,
28:52
Speaker 7: we've talked about getting rid of him, as you mentioned
28:54
Speaker 7: several times, and that he is a trade possibility. His
28:57
Speaker 7: salary is high. So if there's the right thing that
28:59
Speaker 7: you could get rid of him, and then you're doing
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Speaker 7: something not just My only concern is that they'd trade
29:04
Speaker 7: them away just to save money and then not really
29:07
Speaker 7: replace him with anything.
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Speaker 2: I'm operating under the belief that if you have given
29:13
Speaker 2: yourself a self imposed salary cap, then you are trading
29:17
Speaker 2: him strictly for the purpose of better using the money.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
29:22
Speaker 2: So if you could move him and you wouldn't get
29:25
Speaker 2: much in return to a team that desperately needs a
29:28
Speaker 2: starting pitcher, now you've got money to work with, and
29:31
Speaker 2: maybe that is because you have prospects to move. You
29:34
Speaker 2: can trade prospects for a Joe Ryan who only makes
29:37
Speaker 2: six million dollars and is better and younger than Castillo. Yeah,
29:41
Speaker 2: and now you use your what you do have. If
29:44
Speaker 2: you don't have money. You do have prospects to move,
29:46
Speaker 2: and so you use Castillo to get rid of him,
29:49
Speaker 2: to get the money that you need, to use the
29:51
Speaker 2: prospects for a trade to get the cheaper, better, younger
29:54
Speaker 2: pitcher to add to the starting rotation. And now suddenly
29:57
Speaker 2: you're even better in your starting rotation and you have
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Speaker 2: a little bit of money left over to spend on offense.
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Speaker 2: Great in theory, it's great in theory, but again, they've
30:06
Speaker 2: got to find a taker for Luis Castillo. From what
30:09
Speaker 2: I heard in the off season, they tried. They when
30:12
Speaker 2: they did knock on doors, everybody they asked wanted them
30:15
Speaker 2: to eat money. And that was a year ago. So
30:18
Speaker 2: he's got even less trade value one year later, with
30:22
Speaker 2: making twenty two and a half million dollars per year.
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Speaker 2: We're gonna ask Jerry Depoto about some of these things,
30:27
Speaker 2: not all of them that would be prying, but he'll
30:30
Speaker 2: be joining us at nine o'clock today. Coming up next,
30:32
Speaker 2: are we going to see more canine in our future?
30:35
Speaker 2: Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM Jerry Depoto coming
30:50
Speaker 2: up at nine o'clock to try live conversation with Jerry
30:53
Speaker 2: Depoto about the Mariners off season, which is off to
30:56
Speaker 2: fly and start. Resigning Josh Naylor this week to a
31:00
Speaker 2: five year contract, and so excited to chat with Jerry,
31:04
Speaker 2: first time in a while that we've had a chance
31:06
Speaker 2: to sit down with the president. A couple of news items.
31:09
Speaker 2: Michael Pennix did have season ending knee surgery. He's going
31:13
Speaker 2: to be out for the year with that and should
31:15
Speaker 2: be recovered by the time the season starts next year.
31:19
Speaker 2: And don't be surprised if Steve Sarkesian is not his
31:21
Speaker 2: next head coach, if he really wants out of Texas,
31:24
Speaker 2: He's got Falcons ties, so maybe he ends up together
31:27
Speaker 2: with Michael Pennis, a guy that once dominated him in
31:30
Speaker 2: a football game I remember. But let's talk speaking of
31:33
Speaker 2: football about the Seahawks. A lot of conversation about whether
31:36
Speaker 2: or not we're going to see more canine going forward.
31:39
Speaker 2: Ken Walker the third and we chatted with Greig Bell
31:43
Speaker 2: a little bit earlier this show. Bucky brought up the
31:47
Speaker 2: point that maybe Zach Sharboney is getting so much more
31:51
Speaker 2: playing time than we thought he was going to get
31:53
Speaker 2: because of just how great he is as a pass blocker.
31:57
Speaker 2: Where that is an area that Ken Walker struck bugs in,
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Speaker 2: and so we asked Greg Bell how that factors into
32:03
Speaker 2: the decision as to whether or not Walker gets more
32:06
Speaker 2: carries moving forward.
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Speaker 8: Well, that does explain why he's in the game in
32:09
Speaker 8: two minute drill and on third downs and when you
32:13
Speaker 8: go that often are a lot of plays and that
32:16
Speaker 8: explains a large reason why he has got more snaps
32:20
Speaker 8: overall percentage of snaps forty nine to forty five, even
32:23
Speaker 8: though he's.
32:24
Speaker 9: Played one fewer game. That is why they've been trusting
32:27
Speaker 9: him in those spots.
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Speaker 3: I would submit it in a normal season, Yeah, that's
32:30
Speaker 3: a big deal. The way that the Seahawks have kept
32:34
Speaker 3: Donald for getting sacked, the way Kubiak schemes off a
32:37
Speaker 3: play action and rollouts running away from pressure off the
32:41
Speaker 3: run game has kept him away from sacks. Ten sacks
32:45
Speaker 3: and ten games. I would think it's time to say, Okay,
32:48
Speaker 3: maybe we don't need the extra protector as the running
32:51
Speaker 3: back here. And it's not like Walker doesn't do it.
32:55
Speaker 3: He's not as good and it's just not as stout
32:57
Speaker 3: of a guy. He's more of a shifty, loose of
33:00
Speaker 3: eel white guy. But he can do it if he
33:03
Speaker 3: has to.
33:04
Speaker 9: He's more of an accid in catching and running after
33:06
Speaker 9: the catch in the pass game. McDonald mentioned that when
33:09
Speaker 9: I asked him about Walker getting more opportunities, because it's
33:12
Speaker 9: not just in the run game, it's in the pass game. Two,
33:14
Speaker 9: he had the twenty three yard catch and run and
33:17
Speaker 9: the fourth quarter drive that he ended up scoring the
33:18
Speaker 9: one yard touchdown run later.
33:20
Speaker 4: In the drive.
33:21
Speaker 9: He started another drive earlier in the half with an
33:23
Speaker 9: eighteen yard catch and run. But those are just two
33:26
Speaker 9: yard dump out passes that he turned into twenty yard games.
33:29
Speaker 9: Charony doesn't do that, So to me, let's hedge a
33:33
Speaker 9: little bit on Okay, we think our offensive line and
33:37
Speaker 9: scheme can take care of Donald getting sacked. Let's go
33:40
Speaker 9: to the more explosive player in the backfield for options,
33:43
Speaker 9: even as a safety valve guy who could turn a
33:45
Speaker 9: two yard pass into an eighteen yard run. Bottom line is,
33:48
Speaker 9: it's time for Kenneth Walker, both for him and for
33:51
Speaker 9: the Seahawks. Seven games left in his contract.
33:53
Speaker 4: Let him go now.
33:55
Speaker 2: I think everybody's in agreement this week. It's time to
33:58
Speaker 2: see more Ken Walker. It's time to make him more
34:00
Speaker 2: of the number one running back. But that's an excellent
34:03
Speaker 2: point about the Zach Charbonay pass blocking abilities, because you
34:07
Speaker 2: certainly want Sam Darnold to continue to excel at the
34:10
Speaker 2: level he's been excelling at prior to Sunday, and if
34:14
Speaker 2: Charbonay's helping with that, you know, it's a reason for
34:17
Speaker 2: having him in the football game, all right. Al Kiniski
34:21
Speaker 2: joins us later in the show, but coming up next,
34:23
Speaker 2: Jerry Depoto will be with US Live to talk about
34:26
Speaker 2: the Mariners offseason on Sports Radio ninety three point three
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