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One More Week | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas · DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

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Morning, it is Monday, October 26, 2026, and
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this is DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl
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Thomas. Jamarl is on vacation this week. Filling
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in is Pickaxe CEO, Jeff Dornick. He's the CEO
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of Pickaxe, which is a free speech social media
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platform you should all check out. The
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co-founder of the Freedom First Network, and
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he hosts the Jeff Dornick Show. And he's co-authored
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books, including Church and State and Social
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Injustice. And he focuses on free speech, politics,
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culture, faith, and challenging big tech censorship.
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Here's what we've got for you in the next two
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hours. Jeff will be co-hosting for the first
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hour. And then Robby West will be sitting into
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Jamarl's seat for the second hour. We go
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from 9 to 11, Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays.
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We go from 9 to 10 on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
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Thanks so much for liking, following, and sharing
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the show and for your continued support, which
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we very much appreciate. Obviously, we are just
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eight days away from the U.S. midterm elections,
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but in truth, they've already begun because of
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early voting. So Democrats are heavy favorites
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in the odds markets, which currently have an
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85% to 95% chance of Democrats taking back
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the House of Representatives. They're projecting
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about 230 out of the 435 seats will go to
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the Democrats, a slight favorite for the Senate.
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I'm skeptical on that. Oddsmakers put it between
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55 and 75 percent. But anyway, there's a generic
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ballot lead of roughly 8 to 11 points on that,
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and we're going to get into the implications
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and how likely those predictions
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are to come to pass because certainly we've seen
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mistakes in the past. Campaigning took place
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at a very hot state in the midterm
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elections in Michigan and Port Huron at a
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rally for Republican Mike Rogers. Trump
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played the Islamophobia card, calling
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Abdul El-Sayed a jihadist, saying that he wanted
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Sharia law and said that Christmas would be banned
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if El-Sayed wins. I'm not really sure legally
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how that would work. In foreign elections, we
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have some news out of Brazil. Lula came back
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80 years old, won a fourth term with nearly 52%
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of the vote. But his opponent, Flavio Bolsonaro,
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who's the son of the former president of Brazil,
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is very upset about it and refusing to concede.
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And in Serbia, Aleksandar Vucic has conceded
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defeat. He's basically dominated Serbian politics
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since 1987. So this is really an earthquake in
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Serbian politics. And last, and probably kind
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of least, but worth talking about, is the Young
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Turks video claiming that three guys claim to
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have had sex for money with the late Senator
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Lindsey Graham. Good morning, Jeff. Thanks so
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much for filling in for Jamarl. Thanks for having
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me on. Again, I always love chatting with you.
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So, what do you, and by
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the way, oh, and if you have questions, please
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go ahead and pipe those in and producer Robby
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will go ahead and put them into the live chat
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here if you are watching live between 9 and 11
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on Monday. Okay, so, first of all, what
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do you make of the polls? Do you agree that,
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would you put money, if you're
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a betting man, would you put money on Democrats
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taking back the House and the Senate or just
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the House? Yeah, I would for
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sure, obviously, for sure would put money on
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the House. I'd probably hedge my bet a little
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bit on the Senate. But I think the
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weird and crazy thing about this election cycle,
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and I think you and I have talked about this
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before, is that it was like this thing
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is really going to come down
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to voter turnout, as it always does. But this
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time, it's really weird because I feel like,
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especially going on in the Republican Party and
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probably to a certain degree in the Democrats,
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I don't think as much. But in the Republican
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Party, there truly is a civil war going on. And
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there's more and more Republicans that are talking
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about sitting out, not voting, blackpilling
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the whole deal. And so when we're looking at
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it, it's like, OK, it could go either
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way. It just depends on how fired up Trump can
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get his base. And can that offset the black
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pillers in the America First wing of the crowd,
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they're like, well, enough's enough.
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War in Israel and all of these different things
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that are going on. And so I think that this one
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is going to be hard to predict, especially on
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a state-by-state basis. I think overall, I think
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Democrats are going to take the House,
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possibly the Senate. But it's going to be interesting
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to see which specific races either flip or change
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or surprise us, because there is that wildcard
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factor of the Republicans that normally
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vote and have voted traditionally for
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years and years and years. I'll be like, dude,
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enough's enough. I can't. Democrats
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Republicans are two sides of the same coin, so
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what's the point? So this is obviously
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a conundrum that people, that all
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Americans who vote for one of the two major
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parties always go through. The two-party
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drop. As much as I hate my own side
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for not coming through for me, I need to send
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a message to the other side who I hate even more.
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And obviously right now, the biggest problem
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that Republicans have, people say it's
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Donald Trump. I think the biggest problem that
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they have is that they're incumbents, right?
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And people are really angry at the
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incumbency. By the way, just parenthetically,
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there's an ad that's been floating around Michigan
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and now it's gone national. I'm sure you've seen
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it where it's a couple shopping for groceries.
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And at one point, the woman says, oh, no,
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no, we can't buy eggs. Put those back. Because
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remember, we have to send money. We have to send
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money to kill Palestinians, is how she puts it,
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not to Israel. And then the husband says,
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wait a minute, don't we already send them $4
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billion a year? And she's like, well, no, actually,
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we have to just send them another $26 billion.
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That ad is being characterized by Zionists as
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anti-Semitic. This morning that's the talking
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point all over the internet. I'm sure you've seen
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it and I'm like, okay, let's just say you hate
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the ad and just let's just say that you stipulate
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that aid to Israel is important for
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whatever reason, but how is it anti-Semitic? It's
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like that. It doesn't say we're
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sending money to Jews. It says we're sending money
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to the state of Israel. It would be no different
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than saying that if we're sending money
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to Somalia, like, oh, it's an anti-Black ad
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or it's like, no, it would just be
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maybe an anti-Somali ad that you could say.
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It just feels like that
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talking point has exhausted itself and that
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Zionists are out of arrows in their quiver
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at this point. Well, I think they are. I think
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the problem is that they are holding on with
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everything they can to whatever power they can
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hold on to for as long as they can. I think they
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also know that it's largely a generational thing
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as well. Polling numbers and I think the perfect example is that primary race of Thomas Massie versus Ed Gallrein
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where the older you were the more likely you
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were to vote for MAGA and the Zionists and the
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younger you were the more likely you were to
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vote for Massie and his wing of the Republican
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party and vote against Israel. And I think
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that what's happening is you have the older generation
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of the Republican Party that's holding on to
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whatever the power they can for way too long,
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and they think to a certain
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degree that as long as we can just discredit
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these guys as a bunch of racist and anti-Semitic
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people, then this younger crowd
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they're never going to take over. It's like you
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do realize how life works. At a certain point
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you die and then other people fill in the gap
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and they just, it's this revolving door kind
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of a thing. And it's very
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weird how the Zionist crowd doesn't understand
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that. And again, I'm one of those guys
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that I've been a lifelong Zionist myself. I've
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recently kind of walked away from that. I don't
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go full on to the other side, which is
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completely anti. To me, I'm just like,
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can we focus on America right now? That
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would be nice. I mean, we've got
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It shouldn't cost me $10 for a dozen eggs.
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I just filled up my car the other day. I think
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I paid $7.49 in gas out here in California.
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It's bonkers. I'm like, at a certain point, can
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we focus on these things, these things that you
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promised us in the 2024 election? Can we do that
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instead of fight this war on behalf of Israel
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and Benjamin Netanyahu and all that kind of stuff.
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And I think to bring it back to this ad, I think
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it's a phenomenal ad because it really hits home
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on the issue of, okay, who are we focused on?
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And the thing that I've been warning Republicans
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for a long time, and nobody listens to me because
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I'm just the crazy guy over here that,
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anti-Trump, whatever it is. But literally,
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you're just like... you go down the
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talking points. You look at the website of these
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Democrat candidates and what they're doing
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is they're hitting home on the pain points that
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Americans feel. Now me as a constitutional
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Christian conservative, I disagree with a lot
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of the conclusions and I disagree with the direction
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and the way that they want
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to fix it from these Democrats, but at the same
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time I don't think that the American people,
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the everyday person that doesn't pay attention
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to day-to-day politics really is looking at
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okay, what is the solution that you're offering?
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What they're looking at is do you feel my pain?
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Do you understand what the problem is? Oh, you're
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putting forth a solution. Great. Well, what's going
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on right now clearly isn't working. Let's try
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this guy over here. I think that
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for the day-to-day people that aren't
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looking at day-to-day politics and
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all that but they're just trying to get through
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life, they're looking at who actually feels my
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pain or who actually says that they feel my pain.
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And that's going to impact whether they turn
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out to vote or not and all that. And I think
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that's where this midterm is, I think, going
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to be a wild card. I mean, I'm really glad that
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you brought that up. Bill Clinton,
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of course, popularized the I feel
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your pain. And it was effective, obviously. People
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believed it. I was on the floor of the convention
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hall in 1992 when he gave that speech, and people
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all around me were crying. I mean, it was effective.
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I don't think that anyone feels that
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Barack Obama felt much of anything. Maureen Dowd
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famously called him Spock. And in 2016, Trump
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definitely gave you, and I've said this before
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and I'll say it again, that Trump's gift and
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the reason that he won with millions of dollars
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running against a campaign with billions of dollars
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was because he was able to look out the window
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of his car driving through my hometown of Dayton,
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Ohio, where he, I think, went more than anywhere
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else in that cycle. And he was able to think,
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look at those boarded houses and the
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closed down factories and the opioid crisis and
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think, man, it would suck to live here. I wouldn't
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want to live here. And then go to a rally and
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say, man, it sucks to live here, right? And then
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people are like, yeah. And it's the first time
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that people felt seen by a politician from any
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party for years. That was Trump's gift. And I
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mean, I don't want to ever say anything about
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him as a bad politician. I think he's one of the
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most gifted politicians of our time and he's
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revolutionized campaigning in a way that
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people, analysts have not yet. They're
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still using stump speeches. Like, no, Donald
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Trump killed the stump speech. That's done.
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And he's proven it. But now, is it the DC bubble?
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Is it the, I mean, in his second term he has
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I mean, he's basically telling people, I crap
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on your pain. Like, oh, a small price to pay,
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he said over the weekend. A little
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more in gas and groceries in order to make sure
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that Iran doesn't get nuclear weapons. You told
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us that you'd already made sure that Iran couldn't
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get nuclear weapons. You already told us that
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it was all nuclear dust, whatever that means.
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So, I mean, we don't really, the fearmongering
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doesn't work. We don't believe you. And so it's
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like, so you're basically telling us you don't
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care in terms of our
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pain, and there's literally nothing more politically
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suicidal than that, as Joe Biden learned too. He
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didn't. He was like, well, I don't, the
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economy is better than you idiots think. Like,
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now we'll tell you how the economy is. Yeah, well,
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now the thing that I've been
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told that I actually had Tom Rands,
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who has. He's actually friends with Bobby
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Kennedy and has a lot of connections with the
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White House and all that kind of stuff. And he
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was on my show last week. And he said
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that basically Susie Wiles and the Trump administration
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has taken away Trump's access to social media.
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So he can't actually get on to X like
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he used to in his first term to see what people
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are actually saying. So they've actually
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become his gatekeepers. And I know this for a
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fact, even going back to when Trump was
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campaigning, I was trying to get Kennedy to
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team up with Trump, and I went through
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Steve Bannon to get to the White House, and even
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Steve Bannon, right, who was close with
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Trump and ran his campaign and all that, he couldn't
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even get direct access to Donald Trump, and he
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had to go through somebody else who then squashed
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it when I actually went, actually when
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I tried to make this connection, and then immediately
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came out and bashed RFK Jr. and said he's more
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progressive than even Joe Biden and the
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most progressive people out there. You're
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just like, okay, so this is. They clearly, he's got
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gatekeepers. They're keeping him insulated because
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they know that if they let him loose and
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actually connect with the people, then guess
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what's going to happen is he's going to realize,
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oh, crap, I'm screwing all these guys. And
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so I think to a certain degree, he's in his own
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little bubble. I think that he's only
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being given the approved messages from people,
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and so I think to a certain degree he
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he's alienated, and that's not an excuse on his
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behalf because he allowed it to happen. He didn't
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have to say, yeah, what, I should probably
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allow you to take X and Truth Social directly
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off my phone. He could have said, yeah, what?
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No, I want to hear from the people. But instead,
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he's allowing somebody, and I would say Susie
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Wiles if not a few other people, to actually control
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that message. I also thought it was fascinating.
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Did you see Trump's second endorsement of
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Benjamin Netanyahu on Truth Social? It was, I
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was reading through it, and number one, it was
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so flipping long that I was reading it the other
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night and my wife looks over my shoulder
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and she's like, what is that? The print is so small
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because it was like a screenshot, and I'm like,
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she's like, that's a lot for one single post.
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But it was fat because he basically admitted
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in there, and I don't even think he realized it,
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but he admitted in there that they lied
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to us to get into the Iranian war. So in there,
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he literally said, we attacked Iran the first
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time, we obliterated their nuclear program, we
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made it to where they can't achieve nuclear weapons,
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and then now we're destroying their navy and
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their military and controlling all these things.
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And I'm like, but you told us the whole reason
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why we're at war right now is because they were
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two weeks away again from nuclear weapons. So
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you just admitted that we're now stuck in this
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stupid Iranian war over a lie. And that's basically
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that was my takeaway from his Benjamin Netanyahu
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second endorsement there. Yeah, it also, I agree
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with that. And I also thought it was so long-
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winded that it almost reminded me of an ISIS
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hostage video. Like, no, really,
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really, truly, I'm being well-treated
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by Benjamin Netanyahu. He's awesome. I love him
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so much. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess
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the thing is, if things are exactly that way
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and he's being gatekept by
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Susie Wiles or whoever else, that's on him. Right.
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I mean, and as in terms of for us as voters,
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we can't think. I mean, I remember reading
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histories of World War II where soldiers, German
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soldiers serving on the Eastern Front with inadequate
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winter gear were saying, ah, if
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the Fuhrer knew about this, he'd be really pissed.
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And we can't get into that mode,
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of sort of thinking, well, if Trump really
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knew what was going on, then he would
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fix it. Maybe, but that's sort of, that's not
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going to put any, make eggs more affordable
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or make gas not $7 a gallon. So, I mean, so,
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all right, so let's get back to the midterms.
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I mean, it seems like this is an enthusiasm gap.
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It's like a flip side of 2016 in a way because
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in 2016 you had people like me who had
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supported Bernie Sanders in the primaries
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and then were very unhappy with not only the
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fact that Hillary Clinton was the nominee but
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also with the way that she had treated Bernie
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Sanders and the progressive wing of the party
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and basically we don't need you, go to hell,
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drop dead, and we're not going to listen to you
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at all, and then by the way they get really mad
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at us when we don't vote for her. But between
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three and five million by some counts Bernie
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voters did not show up in the general election
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for the Democrats, and that was a key contributing
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factor to Trump's victory. I mean, are
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Republicans going to, I don't think Republicans
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are going to flip and vote Democratic, but are
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our Republican voters going to sit on their hands
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this week? Are they going to just
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sort of maybe think they have other things to
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do than vote just because they're just not
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that excited about either side? Yeah, well, the
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more that I talk to people in kind of the America
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First wing, which I find myself more in alignment,
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obviously, than the MAGA wing of the Republican
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Party, even though I feel like I'm kind of in
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the middle of everybody where I don't agree with
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anybody and I agree with everybody simultaneously,
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which is a very weird position to be in. But
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the more that I'm talking to people, it seems
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as if what they're going to be doing is most
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people that I've talked to are going to vote
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in the midterms, but they're not voting in the
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national election. They're going to vote on the
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state basis because that's where they actually
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care about. That's where they feel
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like that they can actually affect change. And
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so I think that we're going to see an increased
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number of Republicans specifically
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that are voting, but they're just refusing to
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vote for the National Republican Party, and they're
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voting for their local elections. And then you're
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just going to have people that just, they're
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just not. They're not even motivated to take
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the time off of work or the time to get down
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to the polling or to write it out and mail it
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in. And it just because I think they
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feel they feel betrayed because, and I think rightly
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so. And this is the thing that for
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me as a lifelong Republican, I've been
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trying to raise, and I get a lot of crap
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from a lot of the Republican leaders because
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of this. But I'm like, you have
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to address these issues. And this is the problem.
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You promised us no regime change wars, no forever
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wars. We're going to get out of the foreign interventionism.
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That was a huge part of the campaign that brought
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in the former Democrats like RFK Jr. and Tulsi
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Gabbard and all that kind of stuff and brought
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in that part of the big tent GOP in
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2024. That was the promise. And then what do
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you do? You go in and you basically do a regime
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change overnight in Venezuela. And then you go
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into Iran thinking you could do the same thing
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you did in Venezuela and Iran, which is the dumbest
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thing you'll possibly think of. And then they
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were floating the idea of doing this in Cuba.
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And they're still talking about doing this in
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Cuba now. And you're just like, this is not what
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you promised us. And then we were
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led to believe that Kennedy was going to get
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in there and pull the mRNA
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shots. That clearly hasn't happened. I'm told
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that he was basically given a sandbox and you
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can do whatever you want in this little sandbox,
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but you can't touch our mRNA. You can't touch
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this. You can't touch that. You can't touch that.
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And so he basically has Big Food is still running
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rampant. Exactly. Big Food, Big Ag. I mean, they're
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putting pesticides in the foods. They're approving
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all of these toxic things. And I'm like, Kennedy,
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come on, get with the program. And then you've
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got Kash Patel and Bongino and the
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FBI and the DOJ that they've clearly not drained
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the swamp like Kash Patel promised me he would
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when he was on my show before he became FBI director.
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They gaslight us repeatedly on Epstein,
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on even the JFK files. And then now with this Brian Cole Jr. case that's going
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on like that one makes me more livid than
21:06
anything, seeing them arrest this autistic
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Black kid in order to cover up the
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Capitol Police officer who's the one who actually
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planted the bombs, who, oh yeah, it now works for
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the CIA. Shocker. And we're just sitting
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there and we're just like,
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guys, if you would just stop gaslighting us and
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acting as if you didn't make all these promises,
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then I think people could be like, yeah, you
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want things have changed and whatever it is, but
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you can't do a 180 and then pretend
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like you never made the promise and then be shocked
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that people are like, dude, what's going on?
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You promised us this and now you're doing that.
21:41
And I think that that's where the Republicans
21:43
have gotten themselves in trouble and they got
21:46
their hand caught in the cookie jar. Yeah, no,
21:49
I mean, yeah, I was also wanted to get your take.
21:52
This is maybe more on from my side of the aisle,
21:54
but there's sort of a phenomenon that we don't
21:56
talk about a lot in political analysis about
21:59
sort of the consent of the loser. Right.
22:02
So, for example, in 1988, George H.W. Bush wins.
22:07
I voted for Dukakis, but actually that's
22:11
a lie. I probably voted for Jesse Jackson that
22:13
year. But the point is that I wasn't
22:15
really sad because George H.W. Bush won because
22:19
I thought fundamentally he's not that bad. He's
22:21
not that. He's a pretty reasonable guy. I mean,
22:24
I don't think he's a fucking maniac. And then
22:26
so. And so I think. You bring
22:29
us back to 2024 when Trump was running again.
22:32
I think a lot of Democrats, you'll note they
22:35
didn't freak out. There was no giant anti-Trump
22:37
protests when he was inaugurated the second time.
22:41
And I don't think that was just exhaustion. I
22:42
think people were like, you know what?
22:45
He might end these wars. He might end the Gaza
22:48
genocide. That wouldn't be entirely bad. I had
22:52
Democratic friends and liberal friends who said,
22:54
I like the Tulsi Gabbard thing. I like
22:56
the RFK Jr. thing. So those people also, I think,
23:01
are feeling really betrayed. Right? So there's
23:04
kind of like now there's a counter-coalition,
23:07
an anti, I want to send a message.
23:10
I mean, granted these people are all going to
23:12
be terribly disappointed after the Democrats
23:14
win and sell them out the way that both parties
23:16
always sell us out. Right? That will just, that's
23:19
just an endless cycle which we should talk about.
23:22
But yeah, so I mean, I think that Trump's
23:28
idea the first time around was let's make things
23:30
so vague that we'll be able to say that it means
23:33
anything, like Make America Great Again. Well,
23:35
what period are we talking about? How, what
23:39
what's the focus? America First somehow
23:42
doesn't seem as vague as Make America Great Again.
23:46
America First is like, I'm not sure what
23:49
America First is, but I know it doesn't mean H-
23:51
1B visas. I know that. And I know it doesn't mean
23:55
no job retraining for Americans. And I know it
23:58
doesn't mean sending money overseas when people
24:01
are hurting here at home. I know that. Right.
24:04
I think in a way he boxed himself in a little
24:07
bit with a little with specificity, which was
24:10
to be expected also being, it's also
24:13
a different deal when I think, remember
24:18
Anthony Weiner. The New York voters forgave Anthony
24:22
Weiner the first time he screwed up. And they
24:24
were like, OK, we'll let it go. You can stay
24:27
in office. It's fine. And then he did it again.
24:30
And New Yorkers were like, we gave you a pass. It's not happening twice. I feel
24:37
like the bargain that the American
24:40
electorate gave Donald Trump in 2024 was like,
24:43
listen, we've forgiven January 6th. We are going
24:47
to overlook all the litigation, some of which
24:50
makes you look terrible. We're going to overlook
24:52
some of the rhetoric. We're going to overlook
24:55
everything. We know you. It's like your ex-wife
24:59
taking you back after you've gone through the
25:02
ugly divorce and you've both cheated on each
25:04
other. It's okay. We're getting back together
25:06
now. We're remarrying, right? It's like Liz Taylor
25:08
and Richard Burton. We know each other. And it's
25:11
like, okay, so now the American people, I think,
25:14
are feeling double betrayed because it's like,
25:16
We took you back despite everything. And you
25:19
were highly problematic. We would have never
25:22
taken anyone else back. And now look at what
25:24
you did. Yeah. No, it's a very good point. And
25:29
I think that Trump's interpretation
25:32
of it and probably also the people around
25:36
him and the die-hard MAGA people is
25:39
that America's MAGA now, right? The Republican
25:41
Party is MAGA now, and he won because of
25:44
the MAGA vote, and you're like, no, he won because
25:46
he had all these different individual constituencies
25:49
that he catered to during the run, and
25:52
then he made all these different
25:54
kinds of promises that he didn't keep. So basically
25:56
it was kind of a fraudulent campaign when you
25:59
think about it because they campaign on things
26:01
that within a year he was already doing a complete
26:03
180 on. And I think that the difference too
26:06
is that in Trump 1.0, there was, obviously,
26:10
because we lost the midterms in that one, which,
26:16
again, most of the time the incumbency, they
26:18
lose the midterms. They lose at least one or
26:20
both of the chambers of Congress. And that's
26:22
just, in my opinion, to be expected, right? But
26:26
at that point, there was some discontention amongst
26:29
the Republicans where it was like, he hasn't
26:31
done this. He hasn't done that. But that was
26:34
just something where he hasn't accomplished
26:36
again those vague promises that he had made
26:38
yet. This is different in that he's done a complete
26:41
180. And I think that this is where
26:44
a lot of people in, and you had
26:46
mentioned earlier about some of the
26:48
things he was saying about, if Democrats
26:51
win, no more Christmas and no more of this. And
26:53
he's, you know what? And I'm just sitting there
26:54
and I'm like, OK, when you actually sit down
26:56
and you think logically, and maybe correct me
26:58
if I'm wrong because, Ted, you probably know
26:59
this better than I do, right? But OK, so if the
27:02
Republicans lose, let's say they lose
27:05
one or both chambers of Congress. Let's say for sure we lose the House of Representatives.
27:11
Let's say hypothetically
27:13
Republicans hold on to the Senate. OK, Democrats
27:16
win Congress. What actually happens? Because
27:20
last I checked, you got to have legislation go
27:23
through both chambers of Congress. You have to
27:25
have the president sign it into law. If he doesn't
27:27
sign it into law, it goes back and then they
27:29
have to override it with, I think it's like two-
27:30
thirds vote and all. Like, when you actually sit
27:32
down and think about it, nothing's gonna happen.
27:35
So now 2028 is an entirely different conversation.
27:39
Like, that's a conversation about, okay,
27:41
now if you're gonna run with the rhetoric of
27:44
like Democrats are gonna take away Christmas
27:45
and implement Sharia law, that would be the theoretical
27:50
scenario where they would do that. Not in the
27:52
midterm because you still hold on to the White
27:54
House. Let's say that they impeach Trump, kick
27:56
him out, whatever it is. Well, guess what? You
27:57
get J.D. Vance next. You kick out J.D. Vance.
28:00
What happens? You have another Republican that's
28:01
going to fill the plate. Like, you're not going
28:03
to have the Democrats run rampant on this country
28:06
and be able to implement laws arbitrarily that
28:09
are taking away your right to celebrate
28:12
Christmas. Like, that's just not going
28:14
to happen. So when you're thinking about it from
28:16
that perspective. And I'm very tempted to not
28:21
vote, although I don't know if I can bring myself
28:23
to do it. But when you actually sit there and
28:25
think about it, like, let's say me not voting,
28:28
Democrats taking one or both chambers of Congress,
28:33
all it's going to mean is that Trump's not going
28:36
to accomplish things that he's trying to accomplish.
28:38
And guess what? I disagree with what he's trying
28:40
to accomplish. So technically speaking, the best
28:44
thing to do would be to make it to where Republicans
28:46
don't control the House and the Senate because
28:49
I don't want Trump fast-tracking artificial
28:51
intelligence in the way that he is. I don't want
28:54
him continuing this war in Iran. I don't want
28:57
him basically doing his actual, not his state
29:00
of platform, but the platform that he's actually
29:02
implementing, or I don't like it. So wouldn't the
29:05
most effective thing to do basically mean to
29:07
where you can't really get anything done, vote
29:10
for some gridlock, right? But there's no good luck.
29:13
Trump is ruling by executive order. What is Congress
29:16
actually doing? Nothing. It's all executive order.
29:20
He's not going through the congressional system.
29:25
There is something to that. I think there is
29:29
something to that. I think the flip side is that
29:32
because the Republicans are constantly running
29:35
on the fact that the Democrats will just hold
29:38
up Trump and they're going to vote to impeach
29:41
and just probably do impeachment after impeachment
29:42
after impeachment. That's fine. But again, that
29:45
will control what's going on to a certain degree.
29:50
But I agree with you, Robby, especially right
29:52
now. He's running on executive order. But to
29:56
a certain degree, there's only so much you can
29:57
do on executive order. And on top of that, that
30:00
can all be undone by the next president. And
30:02
if he can't get legislation passed, then this
30:04
is going to be just like a flash in the pan,
30:07
in my opinion. Yeah, I mean, well, let's talk
30:12
about the one real implication that will happen
30:14
from the Democrats taking back the House. I'm
30:17
going to buy into that and assume that can happen.
30:20
Obviously, the subpoenas are going to be flying
30:22
fast and furious. There's going to be
30:25
the House Oversight Committee will no longer
30:27
be under James Comer. There's going to be maybe
30:31
another, I would assume, another effort to impeach
30:33
President Trump over something. Probably not
30:36
emoluments, which is what it should have been
30:38
the first time and should be again. I mean, this
30:42
is where Democrats kind of will. If they go that,
30:45
they're kind of stuck between a rock and a hard
30:49
place, right? I mean, if they don't, they kind
30:52
of, the red meat of the base wants blood. They
30:56
want these investigations. They want subpoenas.
30:59
They want Trumpies dragged in front
31:02
of the cameras and forced to testify
31:04
over and over. But that's all a distraction from
31:08
the needs and wants of the American people. And
31:10
while they're doing that, they're not even
31:14
thinking about like if there's something they
31:16
can do about the price of eggs. They're not focused
31:18
on anything like that. I mean, and I don't really
31:21
believe that the Democratic Party can do both
31:23
at the same time. They won't. They'll just be like, we're going after the Trumpies. And
31:28
that'll just seem like, here we go
31:31
again, and the voters will be in an ornery mood
31:34
of a different flavor in two years.
31:39
I mean, am I wrong? No, I think you're right.
31:43
But both parties play this game of
31:46
just pointing out the most evil, crazy, whatever
31:49
about the other side. I mean, it's why, again,
31:51
it's another reason why a lot of former Trump
31:55
supporters are not voting for him is that he
31:57
didn't go after the Democrat Party with the DOJ
32:01
and all of that. Again, the Republican Party
32:03
was out for blood. And I think a lot of it was
32:07
somewhat justifiable in the sense of a lot of
32:10
us have been directly impacted by the censorship
32:15
regime of Joe Biden, not to say that Trump's
32:19
not implementing his own censorship regime as
32:21
well, which is actually happening.
32:23
But when you think about
32:26
it, there's a lot of people that dealt
32:28
with very real world scenario problems. For
32:31
example, a buddy of mine, Brandon Straka,
32:33
the founder of the WalkAway movement,
32:36
he had his door, you know, broken
32:40
down by the FBI and arrested for his involvement
32:43
in J6, where he literally stood on the opposite
32:46
side of the Capitol building and didn't enter
32:50
the building, nothing along those lines. And
32:53
they said that he was trespassing because he
32:56
was beyond the point of where the barriers were
32:59
supposed to be. Not that the barriers were there,
33:01
but that where the barriers were supposed to
33:03
be. And they said because he was where
33:05
that theoretical line was supposed to be, because
33:06
somebody else had moved the barriers, that they
33:08
arrested him. So literally I
33:10
know, I personally know people that have been
33:12
targeted by the FBI because of who they
33:15
were, found on technicalities and all. So
33:18
from that standpoint, it's like there is a justifiable
33:21
seek of vengeance or a revenge or
33:24
something along those lines because everyday
33:26
people have been caught up in this kind of political
33:29
feud and weaponization of the government. But
33:32
the problem is that at
33:33
a certain point you can only go
33:37
after your enemies so much before people like,
33:39
but what about me? I'm like, I look
33:42
at my inflation. Look at my
33:45
real world issues that I'm dealing with. And then
33:49
guess what? Inflation's going crazy. But what's
33:51
going to happen when AI is fully implemented
33:53
and everything's automated and I don't have a
33:54
job anymore? Like, what's life going to be like
33:56
then? And nobody's talking about that because
33:58
it's so much about the Democrats are evil
34:00
and we gotta, we're gonna lock them up, even though
34:02
Trump said we're never gonna lock them up. And
34:04
you're just, it's such a weird fight because
34:08
nobody's actually focusing on the American people.
34:10
And the one thing I'll throw this
34:12
out there and then I'll throw it back to you,
34:14
Ted, is that my thing is when I'm looking at President
34:17
Trump, I think that part of what's happening
34:20
is the gatekeepers. Part of what's happening
34:23
is, again, they took away his access
34:26
to the American people from social and all that
34:28
kind of stuff. But part of it is I think Trump's
34:31
true interpretation of America First is coming
34:34
through in the sense that he's looking at America
34:37
first as America the entity, America the country.
34:41
So how could be the world's biggest superpower?
34:43
How can we have the world's biggest economy and
34:45
the biggest GDP and the biggest stock prices
34:47
and this, that, and what he's doing is
34:50
he's making deals with other countries. He's making
34:53
deals with, he's making deals with big corporations.
34:56
He's fast-tracking artificial intelligence because
34:59
he wants to be the top dog in the AI race and
35:01
beat China and all that. But who's getting
35:03
hurt? It's the American people. So he's putting
35:05
America the entity first and not Americans first.
35:09
And I think that that's the problem that the
35:11
Republicans are facing right now is that I think
35:14
the Trump base has an interpretation of America
35:18
First, meaning he's putting the American people
35:20
first because that's what he pitched us back
35:22
in 2016. And Trump is running with putting America
35:26
the country first and how do we beat everybody
35:28
else in all of these stupid races? And it's like,
35:31
OK, but at what cost? Like, OK, great. We win
35:35
the race against China. OK, because
35:37
we're going to fight against communism. But then
35:39
it's literally going to usher in communism here.
35:42
So really, what's the difference between us and
35:43
China if we both are doing the exact same thing?
35:47
Well, I mean, I'm glad you brought this up. And
35:49
by the way, Robby, please tee up the ad that
35:51
you brought up. Just keep it, get it ready, but
35:53
don't play it yet. So. In my view,
35:57
that used to be the big distinguishing definition
35:59
between people would ask, what's the difference
36:01
between left-wing and right-wing politics? And
36:03
I would say, well, in America, the left-wing
36:06
vision of the country is sort of a European French
36:09
style. Like, we are, what
36:12
really matters is people's individual rights
36:15
as an individual, their rights and their privileges.
36:18
Whether that be social programs or
36:20
free speech or whatever. And in right-wing politics
36:23
writ large is more about the glory of the state
36:26
and sublimating individual rights. That's breaking
36:29
down. That's no longer. I mean, we're seeing authoritarianism
36:32
on the left, not just cancel culture,
36:35
but we're also seeing. It's just like
36:39
the, well, for example, the Democrats have become
36:42
the war party more than the Republicans. So we're
36:45
in the middle of this massive realignment. And
36:47
in fact, my column this week, which I just wrote
36:50
the first draft of yesterday, is about whether
36:53
there's common ground between the populist left
36:55
and the populist right that can form actually
36:59
a viable, not minor third party, but a
37:03
new major party. Is there common ground
37:06
there? And it's something I want to talk
37:08
to you about. But let's watch this ad, Robby.
37:12
This is sort of about, this sort of helps frame
37:14
the issue. Robby, go ahead and play it. Why does
37:17
Israel matter to America? Because we get practical
37:20
benefits. A strong Israel helps keep Americans
37:24
safe. Israel shares intelligence that helps identify
37:27
threats before they reach us. It confronts dangers
37:30
on the front lines, so American troops are not
37:33
drawn into a wider conflict. That cooperation
37:35
helps keep war and terror threats far from our
37:38
shores. Fewer threats, less risk to Americans.
37:42
A stronger Israel means a safer America. Wow.
37:49
Okay. That's something. So it's like, yeah, I
37:56
mean, it's like, but wait, right now we're in
37:58
a war because of Israel. Osama bin
38:01
Laden said that he attacked us on 9/11 in part
38:03
because of Israel's occupation of the occupied
38:06
territories. But it's amazing. Go ahead,
38:10
Robby. Well, I have a question for both of y'all. I mean, y'all do politics for your living.
38:16
Isn't that ad the very definition of foreign
38:19
interference in American politics? I mean, isn't
38:22
that exactly what that is? Isn't that a foreign
38:25
nation directly trying to influence how American
38:29
voters vote? Sure. I mean, I think they're really
38:32
thinking about hacking voting machines and
38:35
what Russia supposedly did in 2016, but
38:38
didn't. That's what people think. But
38:41
you're right. It is absolutely foreign interference
38:44
in an American election. No question about it.
38:47
But, I mean... So getting back to the populist
38:51
left, populist right, I mean, I was thinking
38:53
about, what would it take for such an alliance
38:57
to work? And very clearly, the populist left
39:00
would have to do something that would be kind
39:03
of not too hard, which is to sort of shed away
39:07
a lot of the walk away or back burner
39:10
a lot of woke stuff, right? Trans
39:14
athletes in girls' sports and stuff like that.
39:18
Left-wing populists, socialists and left libertarians
39:22
and communists don't care about that stuff much
39:24
anyway. So that'd be a pretty easy gimme. I think
39:29
where the challenge would be, and we'd all agree,
39:32
okay, resources and attention should be focused
39:35
on the American people first, control our borders.
39:39
As I always say, if the unemployment rate is
39:43
over zero, no H-1B visas. Then so that kind
39:49
of thing we could all, I think, get on the same
39:51
page there. I think where trouble would be like,
39:53
okay, so we've now, we're no longer sending money
39:55
to Ukraine or Israel or God knows where
39:58
else, and we're now. So the question is, what happens
40:01
to that money next? I think that's where a populist
40:05
front has its challenges, right? Because the
40:08
left would say, no, let's do some jobs retraining
40:10
programs. Let's help poor people. Let's address
40:13
the opioid crisis and help people get into rehab
40:17
and stuff like that. And I think a lot of people
40:19
on the right, please elucidate me, would probably
40:23
say, well, we should pay down the deficit. We
40:26
should become fiscal conservatives first. That's
40:29
what we should be doing with the money instead.
40:30
I mean, is that where the problem would be? Well,
40:34
I think that number one, I
40:38
think that kind of coalition, and I've often
40:42
thought about this because there is, when
40:45
you think about it, going back to Trump back
40:46
in 2016, there was a lot of overlap between him
40:49
and Bernie Sanders. They just came to different
40:50
conclusions. They came to different applications
40:52
of how do we fix the problem and all that kind
40:54
of stuff. I think that there is a very plausible
40:59
thing. And I've spoken with a few different people
41:01
in and around Tucker and Marjorie
41:04
Taylor Greene. And that's one of the
41:05
things that they're actually discussing is doing,
41:08
getting a viable third party where they bring
41:10
in the more the Bernie Sanders type Democrats
41:14
that they can kind of coalesce
41:17
around. I think that to me, I think
41:21
that the scenario where it could potentially
41:23
work, but I don't see it living long term, but
41:27
for the short term I think it can actually be
41:29
effective is that you have one party that agrees
41:33
on the fundamental core issues, like
41:36
okay, look, we all disagree on all these different
41:39
things, but we agree we need to put America first.
41:41
We need to secure our borders. We need to stop
41:43
funding, not just Israel, but
41:45
all these countries that we're sending billions
41:47
and billions and billions of dollars to. No
41:49
foreign interventionism. Actually
41:52
put America first and put the American
41:55
people first. I think if we focus on fixing
41:59
the problems, I think that we could actually come
42:01
together. The thing that I've thought
42:04
about is that what if it was one party, but
42:08
two different wings. So for example,
42:10
in the Republican Party, at one point you had
42:12
the Tea Party. Right. So it was a movement within
42:14
the Republican Party. What if you went into it
42:16
with the understanding that almost like you're
42:18
going to have two caucuses within here, with
42:20
it within the same whatever third party is, you're
42:22
going to have the third party that trends left
42:24
and the third party that trends right. And that
42:26
you guys are going to duke it out. We're going
42:28
to agree on these fundamental things. We're going
42:30
to fix this. We're going to do this. We're going
42:31
to do this. And then we'll duke it out here.
42:33
And then maybe when it comes to actually voting
42:35
for legislation, one caucus will typically vote
42:38
Republican, this caucus will typically vote Democrat,
42:40
but when it comes to, we're going
42:42
to agree on we're going to stop sending money
42:45
to Israel, we're going to stop sending money to
42:47
Ukraine, we're going to deal with this problem with China, we're going
42:50
to deal with the borders, we're going to deal
42:52
with AI and how it's going to take away everybody's
42:55
jobs, we're going to deal with all that. I feel
42:57
like there could be a very plausible, realistic
42:59
scenario where if you commit to actually
43:02
fixing those things, put aside all the rest of
43:05
the differences, I think there could be a very
43:08
real scenario where you could see a legitimate
43:10
third party rise up. But I think you would have
43:12
to go into it with the understanding that there
43:15
are going to be two caucuses or two wings within
43:18
that same party. And that's the pitch, is that
43:22
we're not going to tell you you have to set aside
43:24
everything permanently for this. Keep your identity.
43:27
Keep your belief system. Keep all of that. We're
43:30
just joining together to fix these things right
43:33
here. We're just creating a new tent. We're just
43:36
moving the parties into a new tent, right? Like,
43:40
we're stealing MAGA from the Republicans and
43:43
we're stealing the Bernie bros from the Democrats,
43:46
and they come together under one tent. I mean,
43:49
I'm being very, very facile and generalistic
43:53
here. But I mean, I think, I do see,
43:56
I mean, this is kind of like the famous speech
43:58
that the leader of the Afghan resistance, Ahmed
44:01
Shah Massoud, gave when he unified all the tribes
44:05
of Afghanistan against the Soviets, and he toasted
44:08
them all with apple tea, and he said, first we
44:11
kill the Russians, then we kill each other. In
44:14
other words, first things first, right? One thing
44:17
that I think that you're missing
44:19
about the populist right and populist left, they're
44:22
not typical Republicans. Like, no, the Republicans
44:24
always talk about paying out the deficit.
44:26
The deficit always goes under them. What I'm
44:29
about to say is probably represents maybe 90
44:32
percent if not more of the America First right-
44:34
wingers like me. They would actually side with
44:37
the populist left on the priorities about what
44:41
to do with the money from foreign aid. What could
44:43
be a, you'd be hard-pressed to find a better
44:47
way to pay off the national debt. They get all
44:50
these people who are addicted to opioids running
44:52
around San Francisco like zombies. They get them
44:54
clean, get them jobs, and paying taxes, actually
44:58
get them to be productive. That's how you pay
45:00
down the deficits, but it's through productivity.
45:03
So you drop the drug dealers out of airplanes,
45:09
Afghan style. You clean up the junkie, get them
45:13
into the workforce. The tax revenue comes in,
45:17
the problem is solved. And you're killing two birds
45:19
with one stone. You're getting rid of the social
45:21
pathogen and the fiscal suicide. Little breaking
45:25
news, by the way, about AI-related. Anthropic
45:28
just released its IPO financials. They're admitting
45:31
to something that we did not know prior, that
45:34
they currently have an $80 billion loss on their
45:37
books as they go into their IPO. That's wild.
45:41
Yeah. I mean, well, the thing, and I've got some
45:44
friends that are like, do a lot of
45:46
investing and all that kind of stuff.
45:49
And they've been telling me for a long time that,
45:52
and I think Elon even just confirmed this the
45:54
other day on Twitter, that there's going to be
45:58
basically an AI bubble because there's so much
46:01
money that's being thrown into this thing. Not
46:04
to say that AI is going to go away because I
46:06
think that there's no way that they're going
46:08
to let it go away because this is how they dominate
46:11
all of us and rule the world and centralize power
46:13
and all that kind of stuff. But I think that
46:15
when you think about it, it's not just a couple
46:18
of companies that are investing a lot of money.
46:20
It's every single industry, every single vertical
46:22
in our economy is investing money into artificial
46:26
intelligence development and integration. There's
46:29
so much. Companies are going into debt.
46:31
Take Rumble, for example. Rumble has
46:34
been losing on their stocks for years. They've
46:38
been in the red. So what do they do to keep the
46:42
shareholders happy is to get into the AI game
46:45
and AI development and computation and data centers
46:48
and all that. So then that way they can say,
46:49
look, keep your stocks, keep your investments
46:52
in Rumble because you're investing for the future.
46:54
Right. So, but if the entire industry is going
46:58
into debt and investing quote unquote for the
47:00
future, that's a bubble that is going to burst
47:04
because there's not enough money to go around
47:06
unless we're just going to print ourselves. And
47:08
there's no present. Right. Yeah. I mean, that's
47:11
kind of like, I mean, and I
47:14
do think that is kind of like the problem maybe
47:15
with government is that I don't even
47:18
understand, for example, we're
47:21
talking about, we all know the disruption that
47:23
AI is causing already in the jobs market. We
47:27
know, for example, whether it's, obviously
47:30
I think it's caused by humans. It doesn't matter.
47:32
We know climate change is happening and we know
47:35
we're going to have to deal with it. Why don't
47:37
we have blue ribbon commissions anymore of very,
47:40
very smart academics and other people who get
47:42
together and advise the government and testify
47:44
before Congress? Like, okay, so AI is coming
47:47
and here's some of the possible solutions we
47:49
could do if we wanted to. I mean, that's the
47:54
part that's so frustrating to me. We are supposed
47:57
to be a smart country and we literally, we can
48:00
see this train rolling towards us at one mile
48:02
an hour and we're just not getting out of the
48:04
way. Yeah. Well, but a lot of it is that, OK,
48:08
who's going to pick these, quote unquote, experts in order to do
48:11
the testifying? It's going to be the ones that
48:13
fit in with whatever the narrative is,
48:15
of whoever's in power. And
48:18
I think that that's one of the
48:20
interesting things too is that because Trump
48:23
has been fast-tracking AI, you've got the Democrats
48:26
that are quickly becoming the anti-AI
48:29
crowd. And but it's funny because it's like,
48:33
well, but they were the ones that were pro Silicon
48:35
Valley and all the tech development and all that kind of stuff. And it's
48:38
like, again, it comes back to it's kind of two
48:40
sides of the same coin. And I think to a certain
48:42
degree, it's probably controlled opposition of
48:43
some kind because they just know it. This is
48:45
a good pitch to the people of like, we're fighting
48:48
for you against the tyrannical Donald Trump that's
48:50
centralizing all the power and taking away your
48:51
power with AI and all that. All that to say is that it's like this. That's one of
48:58
my biggest frustrations is exactly what you said
49:00
is. Is like, AI is not going away. The question
49:03
that I've been posing is, what do we want America
49:07
to look like in the era of artificial intelligence?
49:09
And nobody wants to have that conversation. The
49:11
only people having that conversation are Elon
49:14
Musk and Sam Altman and all that kind of stuff
49:16
that like... Elon is pitching
49:19
his version of a communist utopia, which is basically
49:22
AI and robotics will do everything, will do nothing,
49:25
will be completely reliant upon them, and that
49:28
we could just go about and live a hedonistic
49:29
lifestyle and do nothing and have no purpose
49:31
and all that. And that's just a byproduct of
49:33
development. Who really cares? And you're just
49:35
like, but... I've got a four-year-
49:38
old son. That's not the America I
49:39
want my four-year-old son to grow up in and
49:41
become an adult in and live in this
49:43
world where he has no purpose. Is that really
49:45
what we're all fighting for, is take away all
49:48
of our purpose, take away all of our ability to
49:50
earn and be self-sufficient and all that? And
49:53
it's like these are conversations we should be
49:55
having now before we get to the point of AI dominance.
50:00
And not wait until we're there and like, oh,
50:02
we should probably start having this conversation.
50:03
Oh, our rights are already taken away. Sorry,
50:06
guys. There's no point to having the conversation
50:07
now. Right. Well, yeah. I mean, of course,
50:11
look, I hear you about the Elon Musk vision
50:14
of things. What's he call it? Not a, it's not
50:17
a universal basic income. It's a very, it's a
50:19
high basic income. Which Trump is now endorsing
50:23
as well. Trump backed it. Like Elon literally
50:25
said in front of Trump and Trump's like, yep,
50:27
that's where we're going. I mean, and look, I
50:30
can see the problems with that, just as you described.
50:32
But I can, the problem of,
50:35
I can imagine doing nothing is going to end up
50:37
like a dystopian wasteland where we're all eating
50:40
out of garbage cans and killing. And
50:43
there's no, people are starving to death. It's
50:45
I mean, that's where we're headed because we
50:47
don't have much of a social safety net, not enough
50:49
to cover this. So, OK, so let's talk a little
50:55
bit about this Lindsey Graham thing. I'm curious
50:59
as a person of the right what you think
51:01
about all this. I mean, I'm a little torn on
51:04
the one hand. I mean, I do always like
51:07
to see BS exposed, and the idea that Lindsey Graham
51:12
wasn't gay, as Marjorie Taylor Greene said, was
51:15
always laughable, right? I mean, it was kind of
51:17
like an open secret in Washington. It was well
51:20
known. He presented as gay. It's like, if that guy
51:24
wasn't gay, then there are no gay people. Like,
51:26
that's a gay guy. And I know a gay guy when I
51:29
see a gay guy. And I think a lot of particularly
51:31
gay people and their allies, they looked at it
51:34
and they're like, it's annoying that
51:36
you have a guy who votes against gay LGBTQ legislation
51:40
and talks crap about us, but he's one of us, and
51:44
that should be exposed. And I'm sympathetic
51:46
to that. On the other hand, it's kind of not
51:50
it's nobody's business. Right. And he didn't
51:52
really want it. And he didn't want to
51:54
share his truth, assuming that was his truth.
51:57
Now we have this video from Young Turks that
52:01
shows three dudes who claim that basically they
52:04
were gay prostitutes who basically were.
52:08
Their customer was Lady Lindsay. And
52:13
then I'm thinking, OK, but does this matter
52:16
in any way, shape or form? I mean, the politics
52:20
of it just seemed tawdry. And so I can argue
52:25
this either way. I mean, should we care? Why
52:28
do we care? Does this have any? And this is obviously
52:30
being released a week and a half,
52:33
a week before a midterm election where Lindsey
52:37
Graham's sister is running for his old seat after
52:41
he died. That's, you can't miss the
52:43
timing. What do you think about this? Yeah,
52:47
it's interesting because I'm torn
52:50
on it because I see arguments on both
52:53
sides of it. Right. So for example,
52:56
a good buddy of mine, Chad Caton, he's
52:58
from South Carolina. He was one of Lindsey's
53:01
grams, toughest critics. And he
53:03
referred to him as Lady G. And he's like,
53:06
it was known in and around South
53:09
Carolina. Like, that's who he was and all of that.
53:12
Now. I don't necessarily know if people knew
53:15
that he was sleeping with underage boys and hookers
53:20
and all that. That's, again, I think a revelation
53:23
to a certain degree. But I think the thing that
53:26
people forget is that that's also Washington,
53:30
D.C. Again, I've known people a long time in
53:34
and around D.C. I've known people in and around
53:36
Hollywood, all that kind of stuff. It's a known
53:41
fact that the vast majority of the people that
53:43
you see and idolize and look up to that are famous,
53:48
they've got some skeletons in their closet. The
53:52
fact that we had a congressional fund to basically
53:57
pay off sexual harassment claims should be evidence
53:59
of that. When you think about it, why do we need
54:06
that? It's weird. So I think what I think when
54:11
it comes to this, for me, I'm not the biggest
54:14
fan of weaponizing this, because to me, anytime
54:19
you weaponize this kind of a claim or an allegation
54:22
against the other, the quote unquote, the other
54:23
party, the other guys, you're being hypocritical
54:26
because your side is doing it too. Both sides
54:29
are doing the exact same thing that Lindsey is,
54:31
that Lindsey Graham is doing, except maybe they're
54:33
not covering up the fact that they're gay. Right.
54:36
But that's also happening a lot. I think it's
54:38
also happening more than you think on the Republican
54:40
Party side. It is. But also the shenanigans that go on,
54:45
I've been told by people that are
54:48
in and around Washington, D.C., the shenanigans
54:50
that go on inside the congressional offices are
54:53
out of control and wild and crazy and
54:56
sexual harassment all over the place and
54:59
cover-ups and the whole deal. For me,
55:01
I say expose them all, but we shouldn't be
55:03
doing it as just, okay, we're going to hold on
55:06
to this until a week before the election and
55:09
they're going to weaponize this against the other
55:11
side because why aren't you weaponizing it against
55:14
your side's doing it too? And I think
55:16
that that's the problem with all of these
55:18
hit pieces that we're seeing going flying all
55:20
about is that you're trying to craft the narrative
55:23
that the other side is evil, that the other side
55:25
are hypocrites. It's both parties. Both parties
55:28
are doing this. Both parties are sleeping with.
55:29
There's a reason why prostitution is running
55:32
rampant in Washington, D.C. It's because it's Washington,
55:37
D.C., and it's not just one party or the other. It's
55:39
all the parties. It's everybody in politics. I've
55:42
been around the political events. I've been around
55:44
Republican leadership. When you get these guys away from the camera,
55:50
you go over to a bar, you have a drink or have
55:53
dinner, whatever it is. A lot of these guys are
55:55
some of the worst scum you can possibly imagine.
55:56
They truly are. They are, and we've seen certain videos pop up of some
56:02
of your favorite influencers
56:04
or commentators or whatever it is. They're
56:07
all just awful people. They truly
56:10
are. And I'm like, these are the people that
56:13
we elect. These are the people that we send our
56:15
money to. These are the people that we, quote
56:17
unquote, support. They're some of the worst people
56:19
you can possibly imagine. And it's not just one
56:22
party, it's both parties. They're all just awful
56:24
human beings. Well, I remember having this argument
56:27
over with Scott Stantis, who co-hosts the DMZ
56:30
show with me. He's a conservative. And he, about
56:33
Larry Craig, the wide stance guy from the Senator
56:36
from Idaho in the St. Paul airport. And
56:40
he said, well, why are they picking on
56:42
him? I said, well, because he's a values, a family
56:44
values conservative, right? If you're Ted Kennedy
56:48
and you're sleeping with everything that moves, he's not
56:52
telling, he's not pontificating about
56:55
morality or anything. He never claimed to be
56:58
a moral, particularly moral person. His only
57:01
promise is this is the way I'll vote,
57:03
and one of the ways I'll vote
57:05
is pro-gay rights. Larry Craig, there's a hypocrisy
57:09
thing. I mean, there is. I mean, there's something
57:11
to that, right? I mean, well, I think that
57:14
there is something
57:16
to that. I think that the other side is that the
57:21
position, for example, the Young Turks,
57:23
and there's been a lot of things I've been agreeing
57:26
with with Cenk as of late in a lot
57:29
of his criticisms of Trump and
57:31
all that kind of stuff. But the fact that he's
57:33
doing, that he's making, putting out this documentary,
57:37
exposing Lindsey Graham or whatever it is, it's
57:41
look at how bad he is. And again, you're
57:46
not looking at your side.
57:48
It's almost it. And I think that
57:50
the problem with this is that Lindsey Graham,
57:53
again, he's a traditional Republican.
57:55
He's a neocon, whatever it is. He's not
57:58
an evangelical leader and a super family
58:01
values. He'll still say family value stuff because
58:04
he's Republican, but he's not the champion
58:06
of the super family
58:08
organization where you gotta be super Christian
58:10
all the time and all of that kind of stuff. And
58:12
so from that standpoint, it's like you're painting
58:15
the Republican Party as the party of family values.
58:17
And thus anybody who's a Republican Party now
58:20
is a champion for those values. And
58:22
so we need to take them down
58:24
a peg. The problem that we have is like, okay,
58:27
but who's really better? When
58:30
you think about it, Lindsey Graham or somebody
58:33
on the left doing the exact same thing. I think
58:35
that that's the problem that I have. And this
58:37
is where, for me, I'm like, politics is two sides
58:40
of the same coin. Both parties are corrupt. Both
58:42
parties are awful. And at a certain point, let's
58:46
just expose all the corruption. I want to expose
58:48
it all. Let's take out the Republicans.
58:50
Let's take out the Democrats. I'm sick of their
58:52
corruption in the bureaucracies and the FBI and
58:55
the DOJ. And I could just go down the laundry
58:57
list of all the horrible things that are going
59:00
on out there. But I did find it interesting though
59:02
that one, I forget, was
59:06
it Tyler or something or other from Turning Point
59:08
USA? Somebody shared the
59:12
documentary and was like, Lindsey
59:14
Graham was sleeping with underage
59:15
boys and this and that and hookers and whatever.
59:19
And he shared it from, and this is one
59:21
of the, it's like the spokesperson of Turning
59:23
Point USA. And they're like, oh, we
59:26
all knew this. This isn't a big deal. And I'm
59:27
like, so you knew that he was sleeping with underage
59:30
boys and hookers. And you're not going to be
59:31
like, somebody should probably call the cops
59:33
on this guy. Like, nobody was like, that's
59:36
my thing is like, I think that's it. Yeah. That's
59:38
very illegal and very wrong. Very. And so for
59:41
me, I'm looking at this like, okay, we all had
59:44
a hunch and we all knew that Lindsey Graham was
59:47
secretly closeted. Like, that's couldn't prove
59:50
anything. Right. Right. But don't share
59:53
the video that's talking about hookers and
59:55
underage boys and then be like, yeah,
59:59
we all knew this kind of a thing was happening.
1:00:00
This isn't a shocker. It's like this should be
1:00:02
a shocker or else why didn't you call the cops?
1:00:05
You know what I mean? Well, no, I mean, I do
1:00:07
know what you mean. I feel like that is a huge
1:00:10
thing. Right. Like, you talk about
1:00:12
all the people going out in D.C. for drinks
1:00:14
and hitting the bar and behaving badly. And that
1:00:17
is definitely a bipartisan thing. And
1:00:21
I mean, I always kind of wonder, it's like in England whenever you find an MP
1:00:26
hanging from the ceiling of a dungeon with a
1:00:28
ball gag in his mouth, it's usually a Tory,
1:00:30
not a Labor Party person. And it's like D.C.'s
1:00:33
a very buttoned-up place even for Democrats, right?
1:00:35
They're uptight. They dress like
1:00:38
it's the place where
1:00:40
Laura Ashley never went away. It's
1:00:43
just, it's seemingly, and people like
1:00:46
that tend to be repressed. People tend to have
1:00:49
dirty secrets. Right. I think if Lindsey Graham
1:00:52
had been a liberal Democrat, he could have lived
1:00:55
as an out gay
1:00:57
man and it would have been fine and nothing would
1:00:59
have happened and whatever. We're at the end
1:01:02
of the hour, so we got you for that
1:01:05
hour and really appreciate it, and please come
1:01:08
back soon. Oh yeah, definitely would love to. Again,
1:01:10
I always enjoy chatting with you and talking
1:01:12
and all that kind of stuff, and especially
1:01:14
a lot of these conversations are just, it's
1:01:16
fascinating because I feel like it's
1:01:19
nice to actually have conversations that aren't
1:01:22
just two-party politics all the time. It's just
1:01:25
like, what are the issues? Let's deal with them.
1:01:27
Both parties do suck on that part. We're definitely
1:01:30
in full agreement about that. Thanks a lot, Jeff.
1:01:32
Really appreciate you. Thank you. I appreciate
1:01:34
it. Okay. And that was Jeff Dornick, CEO of Pickaxe.
1:01:43
Jeff, if you're just joining the show, Jamarl
1:01:45
is out this week. I'm not really sure what day.
1:01:48
Robby, what day is he coming back? Is he back
1:01:50
Friday? I have no idea. His schedule is definitely
1:01:55
open for interpretation. So it could be Friday.
1:01:59
It could be next Monday. It could be the, I have
1:02:01
no idea. All right. Well, and one thing that
1:02:06
the chat over on Telegram, I don't know where,
1:02:09
I don't know which chats is able to see, but
1:02:11
much of them are just spinning. So a lot of the
1:02:14
questions I've been submitting, I don't think
1:02:15
you can actually see them. So whenever you're
1:02:17
ready, let me know. And I'll start reading the
1:02:19
questions off to you. Oh, okay. They're spinning.
1:02:21
What do you mean spinning? I'll just have the
1:02:23
spit, the spinning wheel of death. Like,
1:02:27
Telegram is trying to upload them and but they're
1:02:30
just okay. Yeah, there's been the internet
1:02:33
the internet's been acting squirrelly for a better part of a week due to this
1:02:39
PHP problem, which I know you're familiar with.
1:02:42
So yeah, the whole global internet has been
1:02:47
acting very strange, and if you've been noticing
1:02:49
AI working slow or whatever, that might be why.
1:02:54
Look at what happened with us on the Bible study
1:02:55
on Friday. The atheist had to keep the needle
1:02:59
moving on a Bible study podcast for a solid six
1:03:01
or seven minutes, which is amazing. Yeah, well,
1:03:05
I did the least bad I was capable of doing. I
1:03:09
hope I wasn't too terrible. All right, if you're
1:03:12
just joining us, this is the second hour of the
1:03:13
program. Jamarl is out, probably through Thursday.
1:03:18
He had told us he wanted four days off, but when
1:03:21
we get more guidance from Jamarl, we'll let you
1:03:23
know when he's coming back. I'm assuming Friday,
1:03:26
but it could be earlier, it could be later. And
1:03:29
we just had Jeff Dornick, CEO of Pickaxe, fill
1:03:33
in. Jeff might be back Wednesday to do the same
1:03:37
thing. So let us know about that, Robby. Robby
1:03:40
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1:04:17
do you have any thoughts about the Lindsey Graham
1:04:19
thing before we move on? I think that the fact
1:04:22
that he was a sword swallower is a non sequitur.
1:04:25
The fact is that he was a disgusting, warmongering,
1:04:28
bloodthirsty goblin who is roasting in hell right
1:04:32
now is outstanding. And I think that's something
1:04:35
that the people on the left and the right can
1:04:37
agree. Hell was created for people just like
1:04:40
hell. I really hope times like this
1:04:45
I really hope hell exists. Okay, it's real. All
1:04:49
right, let's have some. Oh, I think I see
1:04:51
all the questions coming up. Start slowly. Okay,
1:04:54
here we go. Success. They came up. All right, let's
1:04:58
see what questions we have. All right.
1:05:03
It's like the first one will be the one from
1:05:05
Philip Blair about blood libel. Did you see that
1:05:08
one? All right. I got you. Okay. I didn't see
1:05:12
the grocery store ad, but I found that AIPAC ad
1:05:14
that we played. And it takes a lot to really
1:05:17
honestly make. No, I get pissed off about things.
1:05:20
But as far as making me mad, it takes a lot for
1:05:22
political ad to make me mad. That AIPAC ad pissed
1:05:25
me off. Well, what pissed you off about it? Just
1:05:28
the gall. Why Israel matters to America? Why?
1:05:32
Why America needs this little pissant, racist,
1:05:36
disgusting country on the eastern bank of the
1:05:39
Mediterranean that contributes absolutely nothing.
1:05:42
It's like it's a leech. It's hilarious. They
1:05:44
claim that they provide vital
1:05:46
intelligence. It's like. Be serious. We have
1:05:51
330 million people. They don't even have 10 million
1:05:54
people. I mean, seriously, this would be like
1:05:57
why Liechtenstein matters to America. Without
1:06:01
Liechtenstein, America could die. If that's true,
1:06:07
we deserve to die. We're too weak to live. Listen,
1:06:13
in fairness, Liechtenstein is the world's largest
1:06:15
producer of false teeth. You've got to have that.
1:06:19
At least they produce something of value. What
1:06:21
exactly of value does Israel produce? Well, they
1:06:24
used to be known for their tech sector, right?
1:06:27
Like Waze was an Israeli company before Google
1:06:31
bought it. But I mean, that's because these corporations
1:06:36
are all multinational. People keep saying, well,
1:06:39
Google is an American company. No, it's not.
1:06:41
It's a multinational company. I don't even know
1:06:46
what that even means anymore. So just because
1:06:48
your corporate headquarters is in Seattle or
1:06:52
in Tel Aviv doesn't mean that you're going to
1:06:54
represent the interests of the place of which
1:06:57
you're based in. Right, right. So let's catch
1:07:02
up on the questions. Keep them coming. Philip
1:07:05
Blair, average classroom size in Cuba is 8 to
1:07:09
10 students per one teacher. Average classroom
1:07:11
size in California is 24 to 27 students per one
1:07:14
teacher. Cubans don't want our overcrowded, broken
1:07:17
schools. Plurry Paul, maybe someone will have
1:07:22
some balls in this next batch of House reps.
1:07:25
Don't always agree with Massey, but props to
1:07:28
him for finding ways. Wus Kaddafi, America First
1:07:35
is like America struggling compared to the rest
1:07:39
of the world. America First is probably why most
1:07:41
of the world hates Americans. I don't think that's
1:07:44
true. I think if Americans focused more inward,
1:07:48
the rest of the world would like us better, actually.
1:07:51
Plurry Paul, no more Christmas would rock. Fuck
1:07:53
those corporations who depend upon it for their
1:07:56
revenue. I actually agree with that, by the way.
1:08:01
Christmas is too commercialized. Yeah, I would
1:08:04
think you would agree with that. Cameron Bryan,
1:08:10
I was deceived and betrayed by Trump. Now I'm
1:08:12
100% MAGA dissident and reading Marx, Lenin,
1:08:15
Ho Chi Minh, and Mao. Don't forget Ted Rall.
1:08:20
Let's see. Okay, question for me from Philip.
1:08:22
How is it that different from Strom Thurmond
1:08:25
being a segregationist while the mother of his
1:08:27
child is a Black woman? I think it's exactly
1:08:29
the same thing. I mean, he, that was
1:08:32
the hypocrisy. It's like if Strom Thurmond had,
1:08:36
he had a mixed-race child with a Black
1:08:38
woman, and if he had been not a virulent
1:08:43
racist and segregationist in his public
1:08:47
politics as opposed to in his private life, there
1:08:50
would have been nothing there to report. Again,
1:08:52
as with Lindsey Graham, it was an open secret,
1:08:55
and official Washington, everyone knew and everyone
1:08:57
covered up for Strom Thurmond. But I think it's
1:09:00
exactly the same. It's disgusting.
1:09:04
Yeah, agreed. Juan Don, did you see Trump at a rally
1:09:10
a few days ago boasting about the poverty rate
1:09:12
for different groups of people? He said something
1:09:14
like the numbers are the highest it's ever been.
1:09:16
It's great. I did not see that, but that does not
1:09:21
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1:10:23
And PhD Nick Rivera says, Strom was a racist,
1:10:27
but he was a good father. Yeah, that's true.
1:10:31
Apparently he reportedly was a good father. Very
1:10:35
strange. It makes me wonder if he was
1:10:38
even really, truly a racist in his real personal
1:10:42
life. It was just a posture that he did for work.
1:10:45
Well, I mean. Does it matter? What does the term
1:10:51
even mean? I mean, it's the word race. It's kind
1:10:56
of like anti-Semite and racist. Those two words
1:10:59
have been used so much that they've lost all
1:11:02
meaning. It's kind of like whacking a pinata.
1:11:06
It's overused. What the word racist means now
1:11:11
probably didn't mean the same thing it meant
1:11:12
when you were a kid, Ted. I mean, who the hell
1:11:15
knows? Speaking of Ted, I've got some breaking
1:11:18
news for y'all. In the Montana congressional
1:11:21
race, there is a single vote that is being mailed
1:11:26
out today. Ted Rall is now officially a candidate
1:11:29
for District 1 in Montana. In the extremely unlikely
1:11:38
chance that I am to prevail and become a duly
1:11:41
elected representative for the first district
1:11:44
of the state of Montana. Would I be disqualified
1:11:47
because of lack of residency? Probably, right?
1:11:51
Who knows? I believe so. But that's okay because
1:11:55
it seems unlikely. Although, hey, if
1:11:59
the fix is in. Well, I mean, the odds are that
1:12:04
You'll only get one vote. I would think so. What
1:12:08
about Kizzy? I can get Kizzy to vote for you.
1:12:12
Okay, there you go. Yeah, my votes
1:12:16
just increased by 100 percent. Yeah, it did. No,
1:12:18
unfortunately Thomas doesn't turn 18 until next
1:12:21
year so he can't legally. Well, he registers
1:12:24
a Democrat then vote. I guess there he goes. Right,
1:12:29
is he still angry at me for, well,
1:12:32
I don't know if he was angry at me just for telling
1:12:34
him not to join the Marines. He's angry at
1:12:37
both of us about that, but he'll get over it. Okay,
1:12:40
well I'll tell them it's from love though. That's
1:12:43
what I told him. I said the only reason that we
1:12:45
even brought that up is because we both love
1:12:46
him and we care about him. Yeah, that's exactly
1:12:49
it. We're not trying to humiliate him
1:12:51
or anything. All right, so let's talk
1:12:55
about the elections and we'll talk about whatever
1:12:58
else everybody else wants to talk about. So if
1:13:01
you have questions. Oh, I guess do you want to
1:13:03
throw in? Nobody takes us up on this so
1:13:05
the phone calls. Nobody ever calls.
1:13:08
If people want to call, they can put in the chat
1:13:10
that they want to call, then we will open. 100
1:13:12
if somebody wants to call
1:13:15
in, I'll turn on. I'm just going to turn on. You
1:13:17
said sit there for no reason at all. Yeah, there's
1:13:20
no point. So be correct, be courageous. If
1:13:24
you want to come on and talk to
1:13:26
Ted live, I'll click the button. What's
1:13:30
this new thing? Do you see this on the upper right
1:13:33
hand corner of the Rumble screen? Run ad now.
1:13:36
Yes. Do you remember when we were doing the ad
1:13:41
reads? Yeah, it was still good. You can actually
1:13:45
just plug them in where they will run automatically
1:13:47
without you having to go in and read it yourself.
1:13:52
That just went live yesterday. Let's see what
1:13:56
happens if you do this. It's sort of the top
1:14:00
of the hour. Let's see. At launch, mid-roll
1:14:03
ads run for 30 seconds. Okay. I don't see any
1:14:09
ads underneath it. You have to build it. You
1:14:12
have to actually build the ad. Oh, really? Okay.
1:14:16
And there's an ad for Keat. What is that? No
1:14:20
idea. Keat is, what is it? Oh, it's encryption
1:14:27
technology. Huh. Okay. Yeah, they're not paying
1:14:33
enough. Keat's not paying enough to read their
1:14:35
ad. So sorry, guys. Okay. And there's
1:14:41
Patriot Firearms. They don't pay enough either.
1:14:43
Okay. So let's go back. All right. Let's talk
1:14:48
about the Brazilian elections. So Lula, who's
1:14:52
the leftist, he's 80 years old. He just was reelected
1:14:56
to a fourth term. He won 51.8% of the vote.
1:15:00
He was expected by many to lose. This was considered
1:15:03
a surprise. This is the first time that anyone
1:15:09
to overcome a loss in the first round. This is
1:15:13
a two-round system like France has, and it's
1:15:17
the first time since 1989 that a presidential
1:15:20
candidate came in second in the first round and
1:15:25
then prevailed in the second round. His opponent,
1:15:29
Flavio Bolsonaro, of course, son of the right
1:15:32
-wing Bolsonaro, is disputing the results.
1:15:36
He says he's calling because the government,
1:15:40
the Lula government, extended the voting hours
1:15:42
by two additional hours supposedly due to
1:15:46
terrible traffic, which look in Rio de Janeiro
1:15:48
they are famous for having. I've never been but
1:15:51
the traffic is supposed to be absolutely horrendous.
1:15:54
And but this is also his father
1:15:58
used to constantly disagree and refuse to
1:16:03
accept that he had lost. So this is kind of like
1:16:05
the same old same old. But does this, well here
1:16:09
well you're missing something here. So Lula
1:16:13
appointed his personal attorney. Whatever, he appointed
1:16:18
his personal attorney to handle
1:16:22
this on the Supreme Court. That on its
1:16:25
face is. What do you mean handle it? Well, okay,
1:16:31
so he appointed his personal attorney to the
1:16:35
Brazilian Supreme Court. He then requested, he
1:16:39
being Lula, requested that his friend extend
1:16:41
voting hours for two hours to his personal attorney,
1:16:46
who now has a vested interest in his client winning
1:16:49
the presidency. That is a conflict of
1:16:54
interest of the highest order. That sounds totally
1:16:57
not corrupt at all. Of course not. But that's
1:17:01
the case though because are you on, is the case that Lula going to make is
1:17:04
that only his voters were impacted by the bad
1:17:06
traffic at Sao Paulo and Rio. Of course not. They
1:17:13
were stuffing ballots. Everyone knows
1:17:16
that traffic only affects members of one party
1:17:19
at any given time. Of course, that's why there's
1:17:22
those some. Every now and then you'll hear
1:17:24
oh my God, the chick in Chicago. You know, on the
1:17:28
Ryan Expressway, there was a serious Democrat
1:17:30
backup. Sometimes you'll hear, outside JFK Airport, Republicans were backed
1:17:38
up. That's a thing. Yeah, of course.
1:17:41
But it only ever affects your voters. So, of
1:17:45
course, what you're going to do. Ted,
1:17:48
you've got to admit that this even makes Chicago
1:17:51
politics look honest. Well, the idea that Brazil...
1:17:54
It is bad. The idea that Brazil would
1:17:58
have corruption does not surprise me. Let me
1:18:01
tell you a personal story, as I do so often.
1:18:04
So back in the 80s, as you know, I worked for
1:18:08
a Japanese bank. One of our big customers was
1:18:10
called Albras. That's the state aluminum company
1:18:14
of Brazil. I don't know if it still exists. But
1:18:16
basically, they controlled the entire aluminum
1:18:19
mining and industry of Brazil, much of which
1:18:26
was in the Amazon basin. Anyway, they were one
1:18:30
of a few clients that we had where previous loan
1:18:35
officers had sent them hundreds of millions of
1:18:37
dollars and never gotten a signed loan agreement.
1:18:40
And every now and then, the Albras executives
1:18:42
would fly into New York and basically go visit
1:18:48
prostitutes and go drinking on the taxpayer's
1:18:51
dollar, or in this case, their taxpayer's cruzeros.
1:18:54
And they'd be partying like madmen. And they
1:18:59
were supposedly there to negotiate the loan agreement
1:19:02
after the money that they'd already received.
1:19:04
It's very fucked up. And they were never around.
1:19:07
And my boss was always, call up
1:19:10
this bordello that Henry Kissinger goes to and
1:19:14
see if they have any space for our friends and
1:19:16
be good hosts. And I'd be like these guys, they're
1:19:19
corrupt, who are leeching money out of
1:19:22
the Brazilian economy. This was during the
1:19:25
time, during the same exact time that countries
1:19:28
including Brazil were demanding debt forgiveness
1:19:31
because of developing world debt forgiveness.
1:19:34
Oh, we can't afford to pay back our debts.
1:19:36
Meanwhile, they're completely
1:19:38
corrupt anyway. These guys, I remember one time
1:19:41
I get called into a conference room by my boss
1:19:44
where the Albras guys are there. They flew on
1:19:47
diplomatic passports so they don't get searched
1:19:49
at the airport. They show up and they're using
1:19:51
X-Acto blades to rip open the linings of their
1:19:56
suit jacket, their cheap suit jackets, which
1:19:58
are packed with cash. And he's,
1:20:01
oh, can you tell these guys where to exchange?
1:20:04
I'm not going to get into too much detail beyond
1:20:06
this. Suffice to say, can you tell
1:20:09
them where they can turn these cruzeros into
1:20:12
US dollars in a way that no government may know
1:20:16
that it happened. And it was like this
1:20:20
was a routine matter. They were crazy
1:20:25
and I remember during the whole debt third world
1:20:27
debt thing they were threatening to default on
1:20:31
one of our big loans and I was like, no, we will
1:20:36
fucking go in there. We will take over a public
1:20:39
park in Rio. We will not tolerate it. It's
1:20:43
zero tolerance for default. They were just,
1:20:47
but we're third world. It's, you're corrupt.
1:20:50
You're not poor. You're corrupt. Brazil is a
1:20:54
rich country. It's a very rich country with lots
1:20:58
of natural resources and a vibrant economy. It's
1:21:01
you're just corrupt. No, of course. And
1:21:04
I guess that's the point that I'm making.
1:21:06
If you pretend that you are a democracy, let's
1:21:12
just. And you lived in Brazil, right? I did.
1:21:14
So let's just pretend. Did you witness any corruption
1:21:16
while you were there? Oh, all the time. People
1:21:19
bribing cops and things. I once saw a military
1:21:22
policeman shoot some dude right there on the
1:21:24
beach. It blew his brains out right there on
1:21:25
the beach. It was outstanding. It was just wild.
1:21:32
Just how it was. The cost of living was outstanding.
1:21:39
I loved it. Alas, I am here. Well,
1:21:47
it is what it is. Okay, so let's, okay, Kilroy,
1:21:53
thanks very much for the $5 donation. We need
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more of you guys. More Kilroys, please. Be like
1:21:59
Kilroy. Right-wing pundits, he says, are using
1:22:02
France's riots as a scare tactic to vote right.
1:22:05
That's true. Also saw a post saying France didn't
1:22:09
honor Israel and is now paying for it. First
1:22:13
of all, I would say France honored Israel a lot
1:22:16
more than it ought to have. It's certainly been
1:22:18
in bed with the Israelis for a long time. But
1:22:21
we know that the Israelis were behind the African
1:22:25
storming of their Spanish enclaves. And the Israelis
1:22:28
considered it a punishment to Spain
1:22:32
when they were, when the Moroccan government just
1:22:34
opened up the gates and said, here you go. Here's
1:22:39
your ticket to Spain. Dear Spain, to you from
1:22:43
Israel with love. It would not surprise me. And
1:22:48
Kilroy's follow up with a two dollar donation.
1:22:51
Could riots in France be stirred up by Israel?
1:22:54
I don't think that's what's happening. I think
1:22:56
that the French don't need any
1:22:58
help writing or protesting. They're good
1:23:01
at it themselves and this is definitely
1:23:04
organic and authentic in every way.
1:23:07
I don't have dark suspicions in that respect
1:23:10
although certainly we know there are provocateurs
1:23:13
who are trying to make the protesters look worse
1:23:16
by turning peaceful protests into riots
1:23:21
and so on. But I guess the question here is,
1:23:25
yeah, I love the whole idea
1:23:28
that I'm not really sure exactly. Maybe you can
1:23:31
help me as the resident conservative here, Robby,
1:23:34
to tell me how exactly what's the logic of if
1:23:38
you vote Democratic, the United States
1:23:41
will end up looking like France. Democrats
1:23:44
have been in power pretty recently. Democrats
1:23:47
were in power two years ago in the United
1:23:50
States and we didn't have riots. They've been
1:23:53
in, Democrats have been in power many times and
1:23:56
we didn't have riots. How is that, how does
1:23:59
that even make any sense? It doesn't. That's one
1:24:02
of the reasons why Republicans are going to get
1:24:04
destroyed next month and I'm looking forward
1:24:06
to it. Let's be honest, it was the
1:24:10
hero, the messiah of the Republican Party,
1:24:14
Ronald Reagan who granted the first mass amnesty.
1:24:20
But they promised that the borders would be closed.
1:24:22
They were never closed. And it's been under both
1:24:24
Republican and Democrat administrations that
1:24:28
the invasion of the United States has continued
1:24:30
unabated my entire lifetime. No one's buying
1:24:35
anymore. No one's buying the lie. And now what's
1:24:38
happening is that because they've done too much
1:24:40
of it. So between immigration and between inflation.
1:24:45
The cost of living is outpaced wages. And now
1:24:48
people just all across the political divide are
1:24:51
able to look around and say, this is not what
1:24:53
we voted for. This is wrong. Yeah. Yeah. It's
1:25:01
Vivek, okay? So you have this dude who runs
1:25:05
this horrible ad using his opponent's estranged
1:25:11
mother who allowed her daughter to get raped.
1:25:16
What was her name? Amy Acton. I could be saying
1:25:18
her first name wrong. I know her last name is
1:25:20
Acton. And then he runs this ad. And then you
1:25:24
have the likes of Laura Loomer or Larry Loomer,
1:25:28
depending on if you believe she's actually a
1:25:30
woman or not. She could be rolling by crawling
1:25:32
style. I don't know. Who goes out and tells Republicans,
1:25:36
if you don't vote for Vivek, then you're a racist.
1:25:39
The reason why you're not voting for him is not
1:25:41
because he sucks. It's because he's a brown Indian
1:25:43
Hindu. In which case, I look and say all of the
1:25:47
above is true. He deserves to lose. We are getting
1:25:54
a request here from... God, let me... Sorry,
1:26:00
I'm... No, you're fine. Sorry. Please...
1:26:03
Okay, this is from James Duan. Please
1:26:10
do a Patreon subscriber drive. We want you to
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survive in asking subscribers to pay monthly
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a Patreon page. I'm gonna pull that up and
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put that up there. But also can you, Robby,
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can you sort of break through how people, the
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It's going to be tight, but what also happens,
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I'll be putting together the premium episode
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us on Patreon. You're able to do it directly
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on Rumble for five bucks a month. Or on YouTube,
1:28:48
you have a tiered list that you're able to go
1:28:51
through. You get different perks on YouTube based
1:28:54
on the based on the tier it is that you that
1:28:56
you do and if you want to support the work
1:29:00
that I'm doing, hop over to West Glacier Gaming
1:29:03
over there on YouTube and become a channel subscriber
1:29:05
that helps me out. That might be able to pay my
1:29:07
bills too. So that's the reality. It's
1:29:11
the economics are such that the rulers that
1:29:17
be are doing their absolute best to starve out
1:29:19
small independent voices. True. That's what they're
1:29:22
doing. That is the play. And so for the
1:29:26
price, podcasting is still sort of wild and crazy.
1:29:29
And I was just listening to Freakonomics yesterday
1:29:31
over the weekend. And they're talking about how
1:29:34
podcasting is gravitating. The next step
1:29:38
is going to be that it's going to be corporatized
1:29:40
and they're going to turn it all into,
1:29:43
sort of perfect to try to professionalize it
1:29:45
like television. That's what they want to do.
1:29:48
So the only way individual shows like this can
1:29:51
survive is if they have a pretty steady viewership
1:29:54
with a lot of financial support so they don't
1:29:57
so we can resist that kind of impulse
1:30:01
to, assuming that we were asked to sell
1:30:04
out, that we would even be in a position.
1:30:08
The irony here is nobody, we all value
1:30:11
our independence. We're too wild and crazy.
1:30:13
I've been independent my entire life. I've never
1:30:16
been on staff anywhere. Probably same for you.
1:30:19
And so this is definitely, it's a better
1:30:23
approach. I wouldn't want to do it any other way.
1:30:25
Yeah. And one thing, no, Jeff Dornick
1:30:30
the guy who's just on. We are partnering up with
1:30:33
him on the Freedom First Network. We're
1:30:35
doing a lot of things. Ted is going to start writing
1:30:37
for him. No, professional Manila Chan is going
1:30:40
to be an editor. He's putting together an actual newsroom over there on Pickaxe. So
1:30:47
there are things that are happening.
1:30:49
It's just it's harder and harder to be independent
1:30:51
now without getting in bed with corporate oligarchs.
1:30:54
And once you do that you lose your voice. They
1:30:57
control you and that's why we're resisting it.
1:31:00
That's why we're relying on crowdfunding. And
1:31:03
Philip asked me how do I pay my bills. I've
1:31:07
worked for a few different shows producing
1:31:10
so those so they pay me. But I'm, listen, I'm not
1:31:13
gonna lie to you. No, losing the game with
1:31:16
John Karyaku that hurt. Losing the paycheck from
1:31:19
this show hurts. YouTube blowing up the creator
1:31:23
program, that hurt too. So the way that I'm able
1:31:26
to pay my bills, quite frankly, is because people
1:31:29
like y'all are going over there, are going to
1:31:32
West Glacier Gaming on YouTube and becoming channel
1:31:34
members. That's how it's working. Honest to God.
1:31:39
There's nothing fancy about it. If it
1:31:43
comes to a point where I cannot pay my bills,
1:31:45
I will have to tell Ted and JT, I'm sorry, I
1:31:49
can't do this anymore. I have to get myself a
1:31:51
real job. And after that, who the hell knows?
1:31:55
I found, by the way, that ad that we were talking
1:31:58
about with Jeff. Oh, good. I'll throw it up.
1:32:00
Go ahead and please put it up. And by the way,
1:32:03
it's hilarious. So this is the comment that this
1:32:05
is from some Zionist. Unless Abdul El-Sayed
1:32:08
immediately demands that this campaign ad be
1:32:11
taken down and unequivocally condemns it and
1:32:14
its creators, he will be exposed as a vile, dangerous,
1:32:17
and divisive anti-Semite. Any of my fellow Democrats
1:32:20
who condemn the disgusting Ramaswamy ad in Ohio
1:32:23
but do not condemn this deserve our unflinching
1:32:26
condemn. We're seeing a lot of these
1:32:29
Zyobot kind of posts here. And away we go. All
1:32:35
right, let's go ahead and play it. All right,
1:32:38
we're going to throw this puppy right on up here.
1:32:41
By the way, when you watch it, just think, is
1:32:44
it anti-Semitic? Think about that. How about
1:32:49
this? Screw Israel. I'll be anti-Semitic for
1:32:52
you. Yeah, I know. What about the bananas? Yeah,
1:32:56
I got them too. Honey. What? You're going to
1:33:01
have to put those eggs back. They don't like
1:33:03
eggs anymore? No, they like eggs. But we have
1:33:06
to set that $7 aside for killing Palestinians.
1:33:10
What? Don't we give Israel $4 billion
1:33:13
a year anyways? Yeah, and now we're giving them
1:33:15
another $26 billion. Do you know how much that
1:33:19
is per American taxpayer? No. It's like $161
1:33:23
per person. Apparently it's costing us a lot
1:33:26
of money to drop bombs on Gaza. It's terrible.
1:33:31
Don't they get universal health care, too? Yeah,
1:33:34
they do. We're paying for that, too, probably.
1:33:38
Might as well put the bananas back. Why the f***
1:33:40
do we have to pay for all this? Don't cuss at
1:33:45
me. Why does Mike Rogers care so much about what
1:33:48
Israelis want and so little about what you want?
1:33:51
Mike Rogers is for they-them. Abdul El-Sayed
1:33:57
is for you. Pretty good ad. Yeah, I liked it.
1:34:07
There's nothing anti-Semitic about
1:34:09
it. It's factual. It's facts. Well, the only fact,
1:34:13
the only thing that's wrong is it's not $161
1:34:16
per person. It's a lot more than that because
1:34:19
we pay interest on anything we spend, right, because
1:34:23
we don't. We have a massive national debt. So if
1:34:26
the US government spends $161, it's $161
1:34:30
plus compound interest in perpetuity, right? So
1:34:34
it's really thousands of dollars per person.
1:34:38
It's crazy because, Ted, me and you have talked
1:34:41
about this before. Governments really have three
1:34:43
ways to raise money. The most honest way is through
1:34:46
taxation. You tax your citizens because governments
1:34:50
don't produce anything. The second way is by
1:34:55
creating debt and then monetizing that debt with
1:34:58
bonds with the promise of paying the borrower
1:35:02
back with interest. That's not ideal,
1:35:06
but it's more honest what we've got now. The
1:35:07
third way is through just rampant inflation,
1:35:10
which is what we've got right now, which is they
1:35:12
just create more and more currency that just
1:35:15
destroys the value of the money that's in circulation.
1:35:18
And you're literally at that point borrowing
1:35:20
from your future, from future generations. That's
1:35:24
what we're doing. And so this money that we're
1:35:28
giving to Israel, my grandkids aren't even conceived
1:35:32
yet, are already in debt. Think about that. Think
1:35:37
about what I just said for a second. The next
1:35:40
generation of Americans that have not even been
1:35:42
conceived, they're not a gleam in their daddy's
1:35:44
eye, are already in debt. Yeah, that was horrible.
1:35:49
And that's what's going on here. And there's
1:35:52
nothing anti-Semitic to point that out. Why
1:35:54
is it that Europe as a whole deserves a single
1:35:59
penny of American taxpayer defense? They're a
1:36:03
sovereign nation, supposedly. True. They should
1:36:06
be able to take care of themselves. Listen, if
1:36:09
France wants to have a pension system, then it
1:36:12
needs to decide, does it want a pension system
1:36:14
or a military? Because you can't have both. Right
1:36:16
now, the reason why it has both is because the
1:36:18
American taxpayer is subsidizing the defense
1:36:21
of Europe collectively. The French don't have
1:36:23
to worry about the Germans getting uppity and
1:36:25
backhanding them like they want to do every 30
1:36:28
years. That is the reality. It's unpopular but
1:36:33
that's true. And there's nothing racist or anti
1:36:35
-Semitic about pointing that fact out. True, true,
1:36:40
true. We got thanks for the
1:36:43
thanks for the donations that are coming in.
1:36:47
Yeah, thank you Ray. Thanks for the ten dollars
1:36:50
for the cause. Much appreciated. Still need
1:36:55
more. We definitely need. To put this into
1:36:58
perspective, we really should be getting $200
1:37:02
or $300 per show to make this work. And we're
1:37:07
definitely not there. Yeah. As people
1:37:10
subscribe and stuff, listen, it's going to happen,
1:37:12
I believe. And frankly, if it doesn't, then the
1:37:16
show doesn't continue. Yeah, that's true.
1:37:19
Is the program worth the cost of a meal at Taco
1:37:24
Bell? It's a lot safer. You won't get E. coli.
1:37:31
But you get the colon cleanse at Taco Bell. And
1:37:35
look, if you don't eat enough, I'll give you
1:37:38
E. coli. Oh, one thing. I have no idea if this
1:37:41
is going to happen or not, Ted, but we're just
1:37:42
going to throw this out there. So we had a little
1:37:46
bonfire event last night at my church. And my
1:37:50
pastor started talking to me about whether or
1:37:52
not, about my stance that Israel is not an exceptional
1:37:55
nation and that it is somehow held different.
1:37:59
I don't know if he's going to take me up on this,
1:38:00
but I challenged him to a debate this Friday
1:38:03
on my Bible podcast. Can I play too? You
1:38:11
would be the moderator. Oh good, good, good. I cannot think
1:38:14
of a better person to be the moderator. So if
1:38:17
nor can I. So if he accepts it will be yours truly
1:38:21
versus the pastor. I'll make sure everyone stays
1:38:26
civilized and in line with God. All right.
1:38:30
Never thought I'd have that. I never have to
1:38:33
say that. Well hey, I'm still working on getting
1:38:37
you saved. All right, well that's a heavy
1:38:40
lift. All right, let's talk about. All right,
1:38:44
so I think so. Okay, big question I have for you
1:38:47
about Brazil is the pundits are saying that
1:38:50
this kind of breaks it. There had been
1:38:53
a right-wing wave in Latin America. Could
1:38:56
this be the beginning of the end of that? Well,
1:39:01
what has right-wing government got you? And
1:39:04
a big shout to Evan Kopel over there on YouTube.
1:39:08
Thank you for becoming a channel member. Thank
1:39:09
you. That's what we need more of. Memberships
1:39:15
are really the, that's what makes it all work.
1:39:21
But seriously, to answer your question, what
1:39:25
has right-wing government or left-wing government
1:39:28
got anyone anywhere? Europe is left-wing.
1:39:32
You yourself point out that the French government
1:39:35
is left-wing. Why are the French people burning
1:39:38
this, burning the country down because the left
1:39:41
-wing government doesn't deliver the same way
1:39:43
that the right-wing government doesn't. Yeah,
1:39:45
no, that well that's true and that's going to
1:39:47
be an interesting thing. Right now
1:39:49
all things being equal, hard to imagine Marine
1:39:52
Le Pen not winning next year and becoming
1:39:56
the new president of France. But it's going to
1:39:58
be interesting to see if she can deliver for
1:40:00
the French people. Obviously she would
1:40:03
need coattails. She'd need to be able to control
1:40:06
parliament by a significant extent.
1:40:09
But if she does, there's going
1:40:14
to be so much pressure on her to impose austerity
1:40:17
and that's just going to cause more riots. Well,
1:40:21
why do you have to impose austerity if you can just
1:40:23
cut off Ukraine and Israel? You could.
1:40:27
Listen, what I don't understand, and you're the
1:40:30
French citizen here, so you explain it to me.
1:40:33
Why is it, and I mean this sincerely, why is
1:40:37
it that the French people tolerate staying in
1:40:40
the European Union when the European Union does
1:40:43
nothing at all for the French people except suck
1:40:46
out the blood of the state? What's the point?
1:40:51
What benefit does France get out of it? The only
1:40:53
thing that they get out of it is it's easy for
1:40:56
a French citizen to live or work anywhere in
1:41:00
Europe. They don't have any border controls if
1:41:04
they want to drive to a neighboring country.
1:41:06
Those are conveniences. It's convenient. It's
1:41:10
suicide. Okay, so let me point this out to you.
1:41:13
Let's just say that you lived in France. You're
1:41:16
a French citizen. Let's just assume that you
1:41:18
were going to go work in Poland. Does Poland
1:41:22
get your taxes or does France? That's a good
1:41:28
question. It's the Polish government that does.
1:41:31
Now, who is it that educated you? It was the
1:41:33
French electorate that educated you. It was the
1:41:36
French education system paid for by the French
1:41:38
taxpayer who educated you. Then you go to some
1:41:41
other country and you go work for them. You pay
1:41:44
them taxes. What benefit are you at that point
1:41:47
to your home country? You're a liability because
1:41:50
you're still entitled to the pensions, but you're
1:41:53
not paying into them. It is suicide. Oh, another
1:41:57
thing is the legacy of World War II and World
1:41:59
War I. A lot of Europeans, including Frenchmen,
1:42:03
believe that there's a stronger chance with the
1:42:06
European integration, there's less chance of
1:42:09
another war. That's stupid. Because you can't
1:42:13
pay for it. What you're going to do is that whenever
1:42:16
nations get desperate, they start doing irrational
1:42:17
things like starting wars with their neighbors.
1:42:23
So I'm looking at the, so let's see. Yeah, basically
1:42:30
France has very mixed views toward the European
1:42:35
Union. 47% of Frenchmen view the EU unfavorably
1:42:43
and 52% view it favorably. So it's 50-50. On
1:42:48
the opposite sides of that, only one other country
1:42:51
views the EU more unfavorably, and that's Greece.
1:42:55
Ironic, since they've gotten so much money from
1:42:57
the EU. And Sweden views it the most unfavorably.
1:43:01
Sorry, most favorably. 79% in Sweden like it,
1:43:06
20% are against it. Well, of course it does because
1:43:08
Sweden is just, they are the Ukraine of
1:43:12
central Europe. They're sucking out the resources
1:43:15
for the more productive states. Okay, what is Sweden
1:43:18
famous for? No-go zones and Malmo and their
1:43:23
welfare state. Who defends them? It's France, it's
1:43:28
England, it's the United States. That's the point
1:43:31
that I'm making. If you're able to outsource your
1:43:34
collective defense to another group of
1:43:37
people, then that allows you to have that. That
1:43:41
allows you to have a big safety net. Chasing
1:43:44
Blue Dragon claims to have called and thinks
1:43:46
that he's waiting in the queue. Oh, he, okay,
1:43:50
he is here. Okay, put him up. Yeah, for some
1:43:53
reason, Rumble did not notify us that he was
1:43:55
here. So we're going to pop him on in. Howdy.
1:44:01
Hello? Hey, Jason. It's Ted Rall and Robby West
1:44:05
here on DeProgram. You're live. Please say
1:44:08
what you got to say. Say it completely and
1:44:11
concisely and turn off your sound in the background
1:44:14
so that you don't have the delay because there
1:44:16
might be a little bit of an echo. Go ahead. Oh,
1:44:19
I was just calling and say hello and thank
1:44:22
you guys for what you do. You guys
1:44:24
are part of my daily routine and I'll be very
1:44:27
sad if you guys go away. That's for sure. I've
1:44:31
just been studying and trying to receive my
1:44:35
degree in organic chemistry. It's been insane
1:44:38
honestly. Oh wow. Yeah, where do you go to school? Right now I'm in Michigan
1:44:46
at up north around Bay City. Yeah, I was
1:44:51
gonna say organic chemistry at Columbia was notorious.
1:44:54
It was a class that nobody wanted
1:44:56
to take because it was so brutal. If you escaped
1:44:59
with a B minus you were happy. Oh, I know it's
1:45:02
insane and dealing with the instructors or and
1:45:04
everyone around is it can be very tasking,
1:45:09
that's for sure, because you want to go about
1:45:10
doing things one way or learning things a certain
1:45:13
way. And since they've changed education so much,
1:45:17
probably since you've been in school,
1:45:19
there's no directive with your peers
1:45:24
or anyone to talk to because everyone's always
1:45:26
studying completely different things. That sucks.
1:45:31
Well, hang in there. Good luck. Thanks for calling
1:45:34
in. And thank you for supporting the show. Thank
1:45:37
you so much. And sorry for making you wait. Rumble
1:45:40
did not notify me that you're in the queue. So
1:45:42
I think you're calling in. No, you're good. Thank
1:45:45
you, guys. Calls are standing by. Is it pinned,
1:45:50
the link? It is. It's pinned. I will go and jump
1:45:53
on there again, too. Okay. So there's Mr. Charles
1:45:58
G is asking if I sell calendars. The answer is
1:46:01
no. I used to. And no I don't. However,
1:46:05
I should say there is some news to say. I think
1:46:08
it's going to be about November 11th in about
1:46:11
two weeks. My next book is coming out. It's a collection
1:46:14
of my cartoons about imperialism, colonialism
1:46:18
and foreign policy. And I just went through them.
1:46:22
I'm like it's funny, it's good. And you can see
1:46:25
going back basically to when I started drawing
1:46:27
cartoons for syndication 30 plus years ago sort
1:46:31
of how so many things haven't really changed
1:46:33
and the absurdity. And I promise the cartoons
1:46:37
are funny, even though they deal with some pretty
1:46:39
bleak topics. So I'll be getting into that. The
1:46:42
book is called No More Mr. Nice Guy, but I'll
1:46:45
give you, you can't buy it yet. I'll give
1:46:47
details about that when I have them. I will
1:46:53
need to get that book from you. Oh yeah, no,
1:46:56
that's a given, of course. And so if you want,
1:46:59
yeah, if you want to call in, go ahead and we
1:47:01
will take your call just like we just did
1:47:04
just now. Philip Blair says Sweden is famous
1:47:07
for nudity too. That's true. Affiliates FOB
1:47:11
says apparently Brazil's vote was extended because
1:47:15
of public transport failures which likely would
1:47:18
affect Lula more and bad weather for which Bolsonaro
1:47:22
requested extensions. I guess it's true
1:47:28
mass transit would affect left
1:47:32
-wing voters more than right-wing voters in
1:47:33
Latin America. Yeah. I don't know. I
1:47:39
just know that it's been a very long time since
1:47:42
I was there. And so obviously the country has
1:47:45
changed, but I enjoyed it. It was wild. Some
1:47:49
of the best food I ever had was there. I got
1:47:51
to teach Brazilians about the Confederacy when
1:47:53
I punched this dude out and called him a Yankee.
1:47:55
But you're a Yankees. No, I promise you I am
1:47:58
not. So that was fun. It was an experience. And
1:48:05
I think that's one of the biggest weaknesses
1:48:07
that Americans have is that we do not travel
1:48:10
enough. Right. Right. No, I agree with that.
1:48:14
I don't think it should be mandatory, but it's
1:48:17
good to get out there for sure, just to see how
1:48:19
other people do things better and differently.
1:48:22
All right. So let's talk about Serbia a little
1:48:24
bit, right? Alexander Vucic, who's been a centerpiece
1:48:30
of Serbian politics since the 1980s. Some people
1:48:33
call him a strong man. Some people call him pro
1:48:36
-Russian. He was very unpopular in Serbia. And
1:48:42
there were people who even flew back from other
1:48:45
countries specifically in order to vote against
1:48:50
him because they hated him so much. Or they drove
1:48:52
long distances to their consulate to vote at
1:48:56
weird times because the consular elections for
1:48:59
Serbia were held at Serbia's consulate at the
1:49:02
same time without adjusting as the polls were
1:49:05
open in Serbia. So they were open in New
1:49:08
York City at 2 o'clock in the morning, and there
1:49:10
was a line outside the consulate of Serbians
1:49:14
waiting to vote, I guess for the most part, against
1:49:17
Vucic. This was kind of seen. But on the other
1:49:20
hand, the guy who won is not really
1:49:25
anti-Russian either because Serbia has long
1:49:28
historic ties to Russia. So I don't see that changing
1:49:30
anytime soon. Yeah, if anything, a lot of
1:49:34
Serbs feel betrayed because the Russians were
1:49:38
too weak to help them back during the Serbian
1:49:40
war when the US was just bombing the hell out
1:49:42
of them. But I think also a majority of the
1:49:48
population understands that what you said is
1:49:50
true is that Russia was too weak to help protect
1:49:53
them and they understand that and that's no longer
1:49:55
the case. But really just all comes
1:49:59
down to what are your values. Do you want to surrender your country's independence?
1:50:05
You want to surrender your country's sovereignty
1:50:06
to Brussels or do you think that your country
1:50:10
should represent the values, the people who are
1:50:12
there, your legacy population. And I don't
1:50:17
see that going away. It's kind of like how you
1:50:19
asked earlier about the difference between a
1:50:21
right-wing and a left-wing government in Europe.
1:50:24
I think that's the wrong question. I think the
1:50:26
question is, this is a populist backlash. This
1:50:30
transcends normal politics. This comes into what
1:50:34
does it actually mean to be Serb or Croat or
1:50:36
French or German or a Dane? What does that even
1:50:41
mean? It doesn't mean anything at all anymore.
1:50:43
And if it means something, then the state exists
1:50:46
to serve you and your interests. And I think
1:50:50
that's really what this is going into. I think
1:50:52
that the European experiment is dying and it
1:50:55
cannot die fast enough. And it's time for the
1:50:58
independent nations of Europe to become independent
1:51:01
again and start focusing on their own problems,
1:51:04
their own people, their issues. And I also include
1:51:07
East Asia in that. The Japanese need to start
1:51:11
taking care of Japan again and rediscover what
1:51:15
it means to be Japanese or Korean. But ironically,
1:51:17
Japan now has a new right-wing prime
1:51:20
minister, and her attitude is completely the
1:51:23
opposite. Her attitude is expansionistic, militaristic,
1:51:27
projecting force out into the Pacific.
1:51:31
Hey, what could go wrong with Japan projecting
1:51:34
force out into the Pacific? And getting
1:51:38
involved in needling China over Taiwan
1:51:41
and so on and sending international peacekeepers
1:51:45
to various imperialist projects around the
1:51:48
world. Japan's doing the very opposite of what
1:51:51
you're counseling. I don't think so because here's
1:51:54
the thing. Nationalism is a big check out on low
1:51:59
birth rates. The Japanese are over the last few
1:52:02
decades have not been making babies. So then what
1:52:06
do you do to make that happen? You tap into your
1:52:10
history, you tap into your culture, you tap into
1:52:12
the thing that made Japan what it is. They've
1:52:14
had this problem, though, for a hundred years.
1:52:17
Well, that was the end of World War II, and I
1:52:20
think that what needs to happen, and this is
1:52:21
the same thing I would tell the French and everybody
1:52:23
else, you need to decide... I don't know
1:52:27
how you can have a big family in a place where
1:52:30
real estate is fundamentally unaffordable. People
1:52:34
are living on top of each other in tiny, famously
1:52:37
tiny homes and apartments. If people
1:52:41
are living in totally close quarters, the last
1:52:44
thing they want to do is introduce five more
1:52:46
babies to the equation. That is 100% not true.
1:52:50
Because what you're able to do is that you're
1:52:52
able to go in, you can change the system. And
1:52:54
if you need more land, then the one thing that
1:52:57
humanity is famous for is looking around and
1:53:01
saying, who has real estate that they're not
1:53:03
using that I can take? You sound like a Zionist.
1:53:07
Well, that's the human condition. Now, am I advocating
1:53:13
that? No, because Japan would lose. They would
1:53:16
get curb stomped. That being said, though, there
1:53:19
are things that they're able to do. The fundamental
1:53:23
problem with Japan and South Korea is that they
1:53:25
are slaves to a system that exploits them for
1:53:28
money that they can't take with them when they
1:53:31
die. That's the problem. That's the issue. So
1:53:35
what do you do? You change the system. Well,
1:53:42
changing the, changing the Japanese are
1:53:45
not good at changing their systems. They
1:53:48
have not had, well, have they ever, they've
1:53:52
never really had a revolution, right? Of course
1:53:55
they did. Oh, hold on. Chet, you're still in
1:53:58
history. Okay, so the Tokugawa Shogunate ruled
1:54:02
Japan for 300 years. The Meiji Restoration was
1:54:08
a revolution in every way, shape, and form. You
1:54:10
don't think that's more of a foreign imperialist
1:54:14
project? Oh, hell no. That was to prevent a foreign
1:54:17
imperialist project. They saw the Europeans carving
1:54:19
up the Chinese melon, and Meiji was like, okay,
1:54:22
the samurai have... they are living in the 1300s.
1:54:27
They've made Japan into a what. Am I going to
1:54:29
do? I am going to completely rebuild
1:54:32
society from the top down. To say that Japan has
1:54:35
never had a revolution is insane. It
1:54:40
hasn't had a revolution from in a Marxist sense
1:54:42
and that was also what a hundred and that
1:54:45
was almost 200 years ago. So well Marxism doesn't
1:54:50
work. I'm talking about revolutions. Okay, so
1:54:55
Robby, two questions, and we're getting toward
1:54:58
the end of our two hours, so we definitely have
1:54:59
to hit these. Kilroy for president. One, I'm
1:55:03
considering going back to church. Any recommendations
1:55:05
on handling Zionism in many Baptist churches?
1:55:08
Also, any ideas for ministering to my partner?
1:55:11
She's a non-practicing Catholic. The first question
1:55:15
is going to be easier of the two to answer. Zionism
1:55:18
is just going to be baked into any kind, especially
1:55:20
of a Baptist church. The best advice I can give
1:55:23
you is look for an independent church. That's
1:55:25
not a part of any kind of a larger denomination,
1:55:30
avoid the Southern Baptists. Find yourself
1:55:32
a small, local, independent church. Most likely
1:55:36
they're going to be Zionist, especially if they're
1:55:39
raised in dispensationalism and Schofieldism.
1:55:43
That's just to be part of it. It's just baked
1:55:45
in. Accept it for what it is. But so long as
1:55:48
they are faithful to the principles of the faith,
1:55:51
how you get saved, that's what matters. As far
1:55:56
as your partner goes, sit down with her, read
1:56:01
the Bible with her. Say, hey, I want to do these.
1:56:04
I'd like to do a Bible study. I would recommend
1:56:06
that you start in the book of John, the Gospel
1:56:09
of John, and then move into Romans. Those are
1:56:12
easy books to read. Also, they make what salvation
1:56:16
is incredibly plain. It's putting your faith
1:56:21
in Christ. Paul answers the question, what must
1:56:27
I do to be saved? Believe the Lord Jesus Christ
1:56:29
is God. Ask Him to forgive your sins. That's
1:56:32
it. You don't need a pope. You don't need a dude
1:56:34
in a dress. You don't have to go and pay 20 Hail
1:56:37
Marys. Jesus paid the price. And John and Romans
1:56:41
put together, made that hand and glove, and it's
1:56:44
very easy to read. A moron like me can understand
1:56:46
it. So your partner will have no problems at
1:56:49
all. Okay. All right. So I guess we're wrapping
1:56:56
it up. Let's take a look and see one last round.
1:56:59
Take a look and see what other questions have
1:57:01
come in. Anything else we should hit before we
1:57:04
get out of here? Marie Laurel says, Le Pen represents
1:57:10
Germany not France. I've heard that take. Oh
1:57:14
yeah, Joe Consumer. Thank you very much for the
1:57:17
ten dollars. Stick it, stick to it boys. We
1:57:21
will try. We need more of that. Philip Blair
1:57:26
Robby Marxism works so well in Cuba that the
1:57:29
US is blockading them. Well, I guess it just depends
1:57:35
right because Cuba is an interesting test case
1:57:37
because it never had a chance to even try. But no, China was, and I use that word
1:57:44
deliberately, it was a communist state. I argue
1:57:47
now it's more, it's actually a fascist state where
1:57:50
you have a free market but it's
1:57:53
dominated by the ruling class. So China's
1:57:58
not communist. China's markets are always dominated
1:58:01
by the ruling class. But no, because the oligarchs,
1:58:05
for example, here, Elon Musk and his ilk
1:58:08
run the American government. Whereas in China,
1:58:10
the government will put someone like him to death.
1:58:13
That's the difference. In China, you can't change
1:58:15
the party, but you can change the system. In
1:58:18
the West, you can change the party, but you can't
1:58:21
change the system. That's the fundamental difference
1:58:24
between the two. Cuba, I just don't see how.
1:58:30
I just don't see how, even if it wasn't strangled,
1:58:33
how it would work because it doesn't have the
1:58:35
resources to be a communist state. Neither does
1:58:36
Japan. You would have to be capitalistic to expand.
1:58:39
You would have to exploit wealth somewhere else
1:58:42
because you don't have any resources of your
1:58:44
own. All right. And with that, I think we're
1:58:48
going to call it a two hours. Thanks for tuning
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Robby, thanks very much for filling in for Jamarl.
1:59:47
No, of course. And I'll try to get a host tomorrow.
1:59:50
If I can't, you'll be stuck with me again. And
1:59:52
for the record, personally, if I was, if I had
1:59:55
to pick a government system, I think I would
1:59:57
pick the Chinese model because the state controls
2:00:01
the resources and they don't allow just the rampant
2:00:05
the exploitation of the people. All right, Robby
2:00:10
gets the last word. All right. See you tomorrow,
2:00:13
Robby. All right, buddy. Bye-bye. Bye.