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Perimenopause, Menopause, and Root Cause Medicine | Hormone Health, Weight Wellness, and Longevity with Dr. Hart and Dr. Fashho of Eviva · Cortisol Coach

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Welcome to the Cortisol Coach Podcast. If you're exhausted, gaining weight,
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losing your hair, your anxiety is through the roof, or the depression and emotional
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overwhelm have completely consumed your life, or maybe you're not showing up
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as the wife and mom you want to be.
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You've spent years never feeling
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good enough, taking care of everyone else while you quietly fell apart.
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And your body has been keeping score of every single bit of it.
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The chronic stress, hormonal shifts, perimenopause, menopause,
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whatever season you're in, cortisol is making all of it worse.
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And until you heal the root, nothing changes. But this show here is about to change that.
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I'm your host, Christine Marie, Holy Spirit-led Biblical Mindset Coach,
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and I have helped thousands of women heal their hormones and cortisol levels.
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Every week, I bring you leading experts, doctors, and coaches who will help
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you heal your body, mind, emotions, and your spirit so that you can step into
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every kingdom purpose that God has planned for your life.
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So go grab your cup of coffee and let's jump in.
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My guests today are the founders of Aviva, a practice built for the woman who
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always knew there had to be more.
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Dr. Abigail Hart and Dr. Sharice Fasho are both double board certified physicians
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in obstetrics and gynecology and obesity medicine.
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Dr. Fascio holds additional certifications as a menopause society certified practitioner.
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Together they bring decades of clinical excellence spanning gynecological surgery,
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metabolic medicine, hormone therapy, and longevity focused care.
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But what makes these two women extraordinary is not just their credentials.
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It's their stories. Dr. Hart was a chief resident, a gynecologic oncology surgeon,
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a lifelong athlete, and then came her own breast cancer diagnosis.
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That experience cracked open an entirely new understanding of chronic stress,
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inflammation, and what it actually takes for a woman's body to heal and thrive.
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Dr. Fasho built her career across some of the most demanding clinical environments
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in this country, from Tulane Medical School to Ochner Medical Center to the
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University of Pittsburgh.
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And it was motherhood and witnessing burnout firsthand that shifted everything.
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She stopped treating symptoms and started asking that question of why.
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Together, they founded Aviva Total Wellness with one single mission,
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to serve the woman who has been told she's fine, handed a prescription,
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and sent home. The woman who knows in her bones that something is off.
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The woman who always knew there had to be more.
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Dr. Hart and Dr. Fasho, welcome to the Cortisol Coach Podcast.
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Thank you so much for having us. And that introduction was like five out of five. Yes, thank you.
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You made me smile from ear to ear. I was just like, oh my gosh,
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I'm so over the moon right now to be here on this podcast with you.
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I knew once you and I, the three of us, had that first conversation,
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I knew that my audience had to hear from you because just like you both,
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I spent years and years and years looking for a solution.
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Handed prescriptions, and
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but never being asked the right questions or truly looking at why or what could
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be causing this. So what led you here?
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Honestly, truly deep in my heart, I think what led me down this path was my diagnosis in 2023.
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And I had so many questions. Why did this happen? I work out. I'm fit. I drink water.
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I don't drink alcohol. I don't smoke.
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I had so many why questions. And I think just as I progressed,
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I realized just the traditional medicine route did not teach us about root cause, more holistic care,
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more about cellular metabolic medicine.
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And I realized no matter how much I worked out, I mean, I went paleo,
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I cut out gluten, I did so many different things.
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I didn't feel any better and I still had no answers.
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And that's what started me, I think, exploring other facets of information,
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not just the traditional route and branching out and seeing, well, what else works?
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Because traditional medicine isn't helping. Just by looking into all these different outlets,
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whether it was research papers or anecdotal evidence or going on forums and
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listening to other women and men with their complaints and their lifestyles
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and how nothing's getting addressed, I realized like this is such a common problem.
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And I'm one where if there's a problem, I'd like to figure it out.
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I'm a puzzle solver. So it's really exciting that I'm able to finally do this
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and dedicate my life to this. And we're always learning. And the field of medicine is always changing.
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Yesterday, I was looking at
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research papers from this year that just came out. That was very exciting.
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So it's really, it's a privilege.
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Yes. And, you know, Dr. Hart and I, just taking it further back,
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like we met on the labor wards, you know, both working as, you know,
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pretty intense jobs as OB hospitalists. And that's where we connected.
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We really found, I think, a beautiful friendship in the fact that we both try
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to live, we try to take away our stress by living lives outside of work as mothers,
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you know, trying to find ways to connect through our friendship.
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We started doing exercise together.
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We found, you know, different types of exercise, whether that be a bar class,
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we were getting into the mega former type classes with Tremble,
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a local kind of chain that we really found joy in like doing things together
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outside of work and just kind of
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Learning from each other, I think it was really a beautiful thing.
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And so the idea of like giving something more to the community or to ourselves
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and to our families is really where this all kind of came together.
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And then just a plug for our logo, if you look at it, the bird of paradise.
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We knew that that was the flower we wanted to represent what we're bringing to our patients.
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It's a tropical plant and it really does thrive in harsh environments and hurricane
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storms and soil that's not necessarily the most fulfilling.
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Just like our work when we were working, you know, night shifts.
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24-hour shifts at the hospital, really found ourselves kind of struggling with
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how can we sustain doing this forever for ourselves, for our family?
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Is it affecting our health? But then the bigger picture is I think we can teach
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ourselves things and we can teach our patients more things.
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Say it was like a synergy of coming together because, you know,
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I feel like even then, like we were still at that point in the throes of traditional
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medicine, but then we're like, hey, I have this crazy idea.
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Let's, you know, what if we did try this holistic thing? Or we started doing red light.
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Dr. Fasher was already doing sauna. She introduced me to sauna because I'd never
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done that before, but it does have so many benefits.
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You know, whenever we had these ideas to explore these different outlets and
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branch out and do a little bit more root cause.
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Like we never told each other, hey, that idea is too crazy.
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It's too far fetched. Like we just support each other along the way.
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And we feel like both of our health journeys, the really the ultimate,
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I think one of the purposes of our lives is to give back, to live wholly and purposefully.
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And why not share the fruits of our research and the things that we have found,
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even by treating ourselves with these methods that we were not taught.
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We had to be the experiment the last few years. We understand life is stressful.
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You know, sleep, our environment, it's not as clean as what it used to be.
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Lifestyles are not what they used to be. So our bodies are constantly on the defense.
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So how can we prime our bodies, you know, not even just from nutrition and exercise
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and activity, but even on the cellular level. And that's where our interest
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lies, like to prime people for, you know, just everyday life,
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make them feel better, make them feel heard.
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There are so many women, just like myself included, that went to the doctors
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as we're walking through perimenopause.
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I'm now in menopause, but I asked for labs. I asked for tests,
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and the results would come back, and they would be fine, but I didn't feel fine.
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So can you talk more about that piece? Why would a woman's labs come back normal
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versus what is it that you guys do differently?
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So it's interesting. I was reading about lab values the other day.
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When some of these labs figured out their lab values, they weren't tested on women, number one.
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Some of them have, but also what one person's level is and they feel right,
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it's not going to be consistent with the other person.
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And then it's more complicated than that. How much is actually getting into
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the cell if everything looks normal?
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Like, is that even getting into the cell, you know, to cause an effect, to make you feel better?
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There's more layers to just a lab, which is why we don't treat levels.
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We get it. It's important to track. Our patients love to see data,
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but it's not going to be the end-all be-all at all in the.
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Just to kind of reiterate what Dr. Hart is saying, you know,
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most normal lab values are based on a statistical bell curve, right?
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You have a median and, you know, the 95%, 5% confidence interval,
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and like not everyone falls into that.
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You know, how you're feeling doesn't always correlate to lab values.
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And I think in our hard work in the hospital, we kind of realized that,
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you know, maybe it is a little bit of the hospital's goal to keep patients sick.
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And like some of the things we're like hearing and the meetings we would go to.
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And so I feel like when we realize like maybe there is something more to the
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non-traditional medicine, right?
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We're both allopathically trained physicians, which are why we have the letters MD after our name.
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There's also an osteopathic school of thought, which is also very similar.
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They do a little bit more naturopathic techniques and like adjustment techniques
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that they learn in their medical training. But as far as the traditional allopathic
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training, we were both realizing that, you know, they're not teaching us everything.
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We're just kind of following what those before us did, and we're learning how
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to, you know, just this standard of care, which has been great for most people, but.
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I don't know, is the end goal really just to keep people sick and in the hospital?
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Because that's not what we want to do.
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That's not what we want for our children. And so we kind of looked more into
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the functional side of medicine, which a lot of, you know, big cities,
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we're not really in a big city, we're in a large town.
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And so a lot of big cities have functional medicine specialists,
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and there really aren't any around us, maybe some physicians that are getting into it.
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And so kind of learning and educating ourselves with our own research,
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with going to conferences.
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You're just leaving our comfort zone in order to acquire more knowledge,
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I think that's something that is lifelong for both of us and is why we kind
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of looked into the non-traditional type of workup testing or root cause analysis,
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which is really not how most physicians, if you're seeing a standard trained
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physician in hospital or center in our country are trained.
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Right. So talk to us a little bit more about what does a holistic approach to
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women's healthcare look like in your practice?
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So when I say the word holistic, I mean whole, tip to tail.
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I want to know about lifestyle. I want to know about like any major life events,
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sleep habits, cravings, what type of foods do they like?
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Obviously going through a medication list, which may or may not be fairly extensive
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and any and all supplements as well, because the body is really good at telling
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us when something's wrong.
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Like our hormones are off. Okay, well, why are they off?
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Because it was just kind of like, okay, we're giving everybody estrogen,
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progesterone, testosterone.
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That's the end result of something else though.
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So we need a treat.
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Up the tree. Like, we need to treat, why are those hormones off?
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And you have to do a deep dive.
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And what our patients need to understand, and really your listeners in general,
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when we're trying to fix cellular health, metabolic health to fix the hormones,
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it is never going to be an overnight thing.
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It's not going to take just 24 hours. There's no magic pill.
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Because it's a deep dive with lifestyle and, you know, other medications and,
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you know, do you have anxiety?
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It's so many things that we address, and it takes many months.
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But if you've been feeling bad for six or seven years, and when I say bad,
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just like not yourself, your energy's low, you can't sleep, you're wired but tired, etc.
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Then if we work on you for a year, and you feel that much better,
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you have all these years ahead of you to feel better and feel like yourself
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and feel like you want to feel. So it's worth the time investment.
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Yes. And you know, to reiterate, Dr. Hart, holistic women's health care means
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understanding that the body does not operate just on one isolated compartment, right?
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As an OBGYN, it's like we were only trained to pay attention to the ovaries.
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But really, the hormones affect sleep, sleep affects your metabolism,
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stress affects inflammation, inflammation affects everything.
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And so a holistic approach asks not only what symptom are we treating,
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but it also asks what is the body trying to communicate?
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And so that's what we're trying to help our patients understand how are these,
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you know, communication pathways in your body, how are they off?
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And it's not going to take just one thing.
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It's not going to be just a little prescription on a pad, like what you're used to getting.
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It's going to be, hey, how can we work through some of your psychological trauma
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or stress? How can we optimize your physical well-being with physical therapy, with exercise?
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You know, there are foundations, but also other specialties in our community
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that can help you just as much as your physician.
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One other thing that you both specialize in is obesity medicine.
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And I would love for you to talk about obesity medicine. How does that
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even fit into the hormone conversation. Obesity medicine has anything and everything
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to do with hormone balance.
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Your adipocytes, which are your fat cells, are hormonally active.
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Inflammation is basically going to dictate anything else downstream.
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If I prescribe you estrogen and send you out the door without addressing anything
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else, you're still going to have that degree of inflammation.
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And there's inflammation all over the body, even in the brain.
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So then I'm not treating you to the fullest extent and in fact if I could treat
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your inflammation I might actually treat your hormones without you having to be on hormones.
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And just from having taken the obesity medicine specialization exam and the
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NAM certification, I mean, the obesity medicine exam was so hard.
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That was probably harder than our OBGYN boards.
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You know, obesity medicine is not just about weight loss. You know,
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it's understanding the complex physiology that surrounds metabolism.
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Appetite, inflammation, hormones, insulin resistance, like muscle mass.
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We learned a lot about that on the exam, sleep and longevity.
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So it really was kind of our first steps to getting into this.
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Like we wanted to help our patients.
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You know, we're located in Louisiana. It's one of the most obese states statistically in the country.
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And so our patient population, you know, even in the hospital pregnancy wise,
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you know, we have obesity is kind of the norm, the average here.
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And so we kind of wanted, we knew we wanted to help our community in a root cause way.
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And I think getting involved in learning the obesity medicine applications to,
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you know, optimize our knowledge, I think was essential.
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The body just is so complex and it's not just, you know, one thing seeing a
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doctor that specializes in the kidney or the brain, you know,
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it's like you need a doctor to really synthesize everything.
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And can put it all together without you having to go to four or five different offices.
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Like, yes, like she said, it's almost crucial for someone to be able to have
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this depth of understanding.
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And even counseling patients, I say, you know, the GLP-1 medications,
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they didn't come out as weight loss drugs initially. These were type 2 diabetes
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treatments that were aimed to, you know, fix insulin resistance.
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You know, help with diabetes management.
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And then now we are applying them to not only weight loss, but even greater things now.
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You know, opioid addiction, alcoholism, hormones and menopause.
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I mean, there are so many anti-inflammatory pathways that we're finding with
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just the GLP-1 receptor.
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And there are more and more coming out. And so I think we're really on to something.
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And I think we just love learning. I feel like a lot of women over 40,
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the first thing that we notice is the weight gain as we step into perimenopause or menopause.
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But if you truly sit there and think about, well, how do my knees feel? How do my ankles feel?
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How does my brain feel? How is my memory?
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There's so many other pieces.
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But I think because we're looking at ourselves in the mirror,
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that's the first thing we notice. And so I love your full body approach.
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And gosh, I wish I had it so many years ago.
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We do too. We wish we would have done this years ago. Yeah, somebody would have told me about like.
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We didn't meet each other. It's funny, just another little side story that I
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always find so interesting is that Dr. Hart and I, we probably were supposed
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to do residency together.
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We both, you have like this rank list when you're like in medical school to
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like match to a program. And I think had we met then, would we have started
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this early? I don't know. We can't like...
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But, you know, here we are. We met in our late 30s, early 40s,
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and we're doing this now. Yes.
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Good things come in time. A hundred percent. Well, and let me ask you a question.
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What are some of the most common symptoms that women are dismissing that are
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actually pretty serious hormonal signs?
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I feel like in the media, number one, you would say hot flashes.
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But I think really it's feeling down.
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Like people forget because it'll just kind of be this lingering,
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you know, almost like apathy and then it forms, you know, becomes depression
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and then that interferes with the sleep cycle.
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I think women don't realize how bad they feel because of how busy they are.
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But when they actually take the time to sit down, they're like,
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oh my gosh, I don't feel like myself.
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It can be corrected, you know, as long as we're addressing the symptoms.
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And maybe many of us, you know, most a lot of us these days have delayed our
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childbearing years to around this age.
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And so it's like the sleep disruption, like, you know, your kids aren't really sleeping well.
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At least my daughter isn't. And so it's like, oh, yeah, getting up at this time
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of night, like you don't notice it maybe.
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Also the increased anxiety. I think that's an overlooked symptom.
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You know, people feeling on edge. I think Oprah talked about like she didn't
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realize her heart palpitations was actually this transition and not something more.
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And so, you know, we always, they say women are just, you know,
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we're always taking care of others. And we just really sometimes need to listen
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to our own bodies in order to take care of the others.
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But, you know, we just kind of dismiss things often just because we're trying
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to make our children's doctor's appointments and not our own.
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Yeah. And that's the other thing. Like, we're a big proponent of self-care.
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You've got to take care of yourself in order to take care of others.
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And it's so easy to get caught up. Like, in the day, your entire schedule's
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blocked off and day to day to day.
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And then, you know, you're feeling bad for years and you don't realize it because
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you haven't made the time when we can address all these things, you know, and we can...
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Cry me. I'm not saying you're going to be 100%, but we're going to get you to a better place.
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We meet patients where they are, of course, and we discuss goals.
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It's just those lingering little symptoms that may or may not actually be a big deal.
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How does somebody work with both of you? Because this sounds like a dream,
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but do they need to be local to you?
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How do you offer patient services?
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So currently, you know, we have an office that will be opening very, very soon.
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We redid the interior of the office to our specifications. So we're very excited about that.
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We think the patient experience, it's going to be unlike anything else.
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So we'll probably open our schedules.
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Currently, we have a few state licensures. We're probably going to just see
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patients in Louisiana to start locally in our town of Lafayette, Louisiana.
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But we would, we likely will set up telemedicine in the near or semi-near future.
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So that potentially could be something to reach a larger audience.
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We're just kind of getting started. It's such a beautiful thing.
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And so, yeah, we've been kind of like slowed down by construction,
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but I think there is beauty in slowing down.
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And I just have to say, we do love your podcast.
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I mean, cortisol isn't an enemy, right? It's a survival hormone.
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Like it's helped us stay alive for so many years. But in our modern life,
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we're just living in a constant state of go. Our sleep is poor.
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The two of us are still doing the shift work until we transition this practice over.
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I mean, these blood sugar swings, inflammation, we're under eating,
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we're stressed, we're going through a change that is essentially natural,
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but we have constant stimulation. The body could only adapt so much.
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And so I really love what you're doing and putting out there,
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but we'd love to reach a larger audience.
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I think there are other practitioners out there who are listening to us and
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that they might be thinking the same thing.
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And so OBGYNs out there, you can do it.
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It's not all about just grinding away, seeing 50 patients a day.
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I mean, I do believe our field.
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I was underserved. There were more women joining OBGYN medical specialty,
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but I think working night shift does serve a time and a place.
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It can't be forever. I don't think our health is worth just that kind of sacrifice.
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And I think our patients would understand too.
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They want healthy doctors. I want my doctor to live forever.
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And I did want to add to what I think is unique about our practice is,
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so this is Dr. Hart speaking, Dr. Faschel and I, we discuss every patient.
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The practice patients, they're both of our patients. So if one is out or,
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you know, there's a time slot for one or the other, you're a member of our practice,
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of our lifestyle, of our Aviva, you know, our brand, our vibe.
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We don't want anyone to feel like, oh my gosh, like this doesn't work with my schedule.
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No, we're, that's what we think is very unique about the practice.
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So we can work with your schedules and it's like having a team of physicians treating your case and.
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If we have to do trial and error, because remember, everybody responds differently
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to different methods. Like we're all different.
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And I think that's what the beauty of it is. And then, you know,
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we have our close connections with, you know, physical therapy,
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some movement teachers, different things.
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So we all know who our referral spaces are. We have their phone numbers. We text each other.
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So it's a very close knit sort of clinic where we know everything that's going
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on and we're offering services that, you know, if we were the patient,
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this is the exact experience that we would want.
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Yes. It's like we're calling it a health club, a vibe. And so,
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yes, Dr. Hart and I are both interchangeable.
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We both are treating each patient together. And I think, yeah,
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a spot open on the schedule would mean just book with either of us.
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Go to the availability of your schedule because we are
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treating you the same and we're very
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excited this is so amazing let's give the listeners a first step so let's talk
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to the woman who is exhausted she's been dismissed she's ready to do something
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different what is one thing that she could do today that would help impact where she's at.
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I think the first step in looking back at Dr. Hart and Dr.
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Fasho, that's me, our journey, I think the first step is take a look at your tribe, at your network.
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And I think that the stress and the overwhelm that we were having at work allowed us to connect.
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And so I think starting with that, starting with a friend, a resource,
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see if anyone around you, maybe a coworker is going through the same thing and
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see what resources they have tried.
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If you've tried the internet search, functional medicine is a good word to search for.
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You can look at the NAMS, which is the North American Metapause Society's website
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to look for certified practitioners. But I will give you the caveat that not
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all of them think this way.
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I mean, a lot of the training, the allopathic training again is very much prescription based.
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And so I do think those that are maybe studying this or certified in it might
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be more willing to listen to your complaints and offer some treatment.
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But if you're still cycling through a treatment, I mean, for example, myself, I'm 41.
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I'll be 42 in a few months. Sorry, I'm jumping ahead. But I'm 41 now.
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And I just last year was really experiencing brain fog, hip pain, discomfort in my hips.
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Of course, sleep has always been an issue, but I attribute that to my job,
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of course, working nights and shift work, delivering babies in the hospital.
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And so, yeah, I kind of ignored that one maybe, but just like recognizing that something feels off.
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The brain fog is a little bit more. I'm a little bit more forgetful.
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So, of course, I talked to my GYN.
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We started estrogen patch. I already take progesterone, contraception, IUD form.
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And so we started it. And for six months, nothing had changed. And I'm like, this isn't.
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Great. I had the negative, right? If you have too much or too little,
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I was having breast pain now because I had too much estrogen. And like, why?
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Like, it's not fixing this. So it's really, that's not really the answer.
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So let me just do a deeper dive. And of course, Dr. Hart and I were going to
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conferences for longevity medicine for, you know, learning more of this like
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deep dive into the functional medicine space. And so we were like,
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let's do some saliva testing.
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And so, I mean, that's another good keyword search, who offers saliva testing near you.
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So we understand that the saliva is a better representation of our tissues than
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the bloodstream, right? If the hormones are in your blood, it's not really doing anything.
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We need a representation of what the hormones in the tissue are doing.
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And so we did some of that.
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We met with one of our local longevity medicine specialists, Dr.
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Chu, shout out. She kind of did some of this genetic testing,
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and we did metabolite urinary excretion testing called the Dutch test,
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which is pretty informational.
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You know, I was able to figure out like, am I clearing out my estrogen well?
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And so synthesizing all of this information and getting ourselves tested,
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I figured out my problem is actually, it's a buzzword, but estrogen dominance
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is the only way to explain what was going on.
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I actually have too much estrogen and your progesterone goes first.
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And so, yeah, as an OBGYN, I can honestly say I don't.
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Knew that, but I didn't recognize it, right? You're not like,
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oh, yeah, your progesterone's gone because I think we were just truly trained
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to just, this is a fact of life and you can live with it or,
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you know, but truly starting an oral progesterone bioidentical would not only
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help my sleep issue, it probably would give me what I'm losing.
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It would bring that ratio of estrogen to progesterone back to where it needs to be.
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And so, yeah, I also did more testing and realized I don't metabolize vitamins well.
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I have the MTHFR mutation. I mean, all of these things are probably not making
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sense to the average user.
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But what we're saying is that it was more than just what I was essentially normally
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trained to recognize in my own patients as an OBGYN.
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And I think there's so much to learn. I think right now is a critical moment
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in women's history that we are the experiment.
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I think we are figuring things out for ourselves because we not only want to,
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We want to better our children, our neighbors, ourselves.
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And I think now that I've kind of figured things out for myself,
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that's why. That's what's motivating me to figure things out better for the patients.
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That's what I did my whole life. I feel like even as I have a certification
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in the International Breastfeeding Lactation Consultant, I did that when I was struggling.
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Like I've really struggled with breastfeeding with my son and I just didn't
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want that to happen for my daughter.
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So yeah, I got certified and it was almost a hard exam as well.
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And I think I just always want to learn the best and the most factual knowledge.
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And I just don't think...
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That traditional medicine or modern American medicine is training us the best for women's health.
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I love that you brought up all these different tests because I'm saying,
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yes, yes, I've done that. I've done that.
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But I had to go to so many different doctors and specialists for them to run these different tests.
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And so I love that you're bringing up all these things. For example,
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I'll just throw this out there.
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I was diagnosed with social anxiety disorder in 2007, But it wasn't until I
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had my genetic testing done that I found out that I have two serotonin mutations
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and the double MTHFR variant as well.
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So it wasn't necessarily that I had social anxiety disorder.
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It's that I have a serotonin deficiency.
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And so it's truly the more you know, the more testing you can get done, the better.
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Because then you can even figure out, you know, I know I'm a rapid metabolizer.
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There's all these different pieces of information you can gather with more testing.
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So I love that you brought all of those pieces up. Yes, this is where modern
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technology is helping us.
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But, you know, I think, I don't know why traditional physicians are not.
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And understanding this, I think it has a lot to do, I think,
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with insurance and just not to go off the total rocker, but they're not going
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to cover it, right? You're going to have to pay out of pocket for these tests.
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At the end of the day, it's probably worth it to find out some information that
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you can actually get helped with. If you strip everything away,
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all you have is your health left.
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And I've also been trending out
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wellness trends and just seeing the transitions over the last few years.
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And, you know, they say health is the new handbag.
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But I'm totally all here for it. When you're healthy, your skin quality is better.
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Like your hair is thicker.
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Like your body just gets happy. And then you have that beauty that kind of,
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you know, it shines out from within. I am just so thankful that both of you
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were on the podcast today.
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I cannot wait for our audience to connect with both of you. Where can they find you on social media?
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So it's at aviva.md. So at- V-I-V-A dot md.
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And we have a link tree and our website is just about finished.
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We've put a lot of heart and soul into it.
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And again, good things take time. So we're not rushing this out.
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We're making sure everything is to our standards and everything we want it to
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be. We want to be proud of what our name is on.
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So I would say get on our Instagram and keep watching.
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And your Instagram is so fun. You guys have so much personality. I love it.
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A huge thank you to both of you for being on today's episode.
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And you can find all of the information in the show notes so that you can connect with both of them.
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And I will see you guys next time.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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