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- 0:02This is an unspoiled network podcast. This is spoil Me, covering one piece
- 0:12episode three twenty four and three twenty five. In these episodes, we get
- 0:19to see what the Mary is capable, not the Mary, Oh my god,
- 0:25that was so rude. We get to see what the Mary's replacement is
- 0:28capable of, plus its name, which I won't say here because I think
- 0:32it's cursed and also cursed to see Ace's power versus somebody's wild black whole power.
- 0:44Welcome to spoil Me. Welcome to the show. Everyone. I am
- 1:07Natasha, oh oh yeah, and my tag is Kratos, but Shane is
- 1:14also fine. Okay, I've been saying it Kratos. I've been doing a
- 1:17short I've been supposed to. Kratos is technically like more correct, but it's
- 1:23like most people say Kratos, so I just go with Kratos to not make
- 1:26it complicated. But Kratos is actually oh okay, yeah, all right,
- 1:30do you prefer that? Do you prefer Shane, because I'll do whatever you
- 1:33like. I don't know. First first name is fine, okay, all
- 1:37right, Well, welcome. This is your first time joining me, right,
- 1:41like, yes, yeah, first time here. I've watched Gabby Do
- 1:45several from across the room. So there's there's that. But oh shit,
- 1:49wait are you partners? Are now we're partners? Yeah, that's so exciting
- 1:57a couple that listens. Oh that's fun. Yeah, she got me into
- 2:01into you. Yeah. So oh this is delightful. Okay, so tell
- 2:09me why you picked these episodes. Oh so it's a you know, it's
- 2:15the last last episodes of this saga, um and you know the water Water
- 2:22seven and these lobbies. So it's like this has happened with a couple of
- 2:24other like content creators who like read books and stuff, and at some point
- 2:29they'll run across this comment, you know, sort of like you know,
- 2:31one piece is the Wheel of Time of anime manga, and they just go
- 2:36kind of and like this is this is the saga where it's just like,
- 2:42oh no, there is actually something crazy big and deep that is super well
- 2:47thought out, and it's just like you know, stuff like you know,
- 2:52the introduction of like Lupy's dad and how that was back in chapter one hundred,
- 2:55and it's just like you realize you have been all these seeds planted.
- 3:00And it's also just kind of you know, the most brilliant like emotional crescendo
- 3:05of the series so far, like that that whole stretch leading up to Robin's
- 3:08moment, and so, I don't know, it's it's really kind of the
- 3:10saga that I think takes the series up to like a new level. And
- 3:15you know, so it's the last episode of that. There's this kind of
- 3:19setup where the narrator at the ends is like, you know, this is
- 3:22going to be like this crazy event that like you know, goes down in
- 3:24history and everything. Whenever the narrator chimes in, I'm always like, oh,
- 3:29okay, we're getting serious then, because he's not around very often.
- 3:32Yeah, so I think, uh, I don't know, it's it's a
- 3:36nice time to have kind of a discussion and a retrospective and and just kind
- 3:38of you know, what are you know, And it's also always fun to
- 3:43like try to talk to somebody when you know, like the next seven hundred
- 3:46chapters of material. And so there's that game where it's just it's just like,
- 3:50you know, what questions are there, but making sure to kind of
- 3:53like cut out any of that extra perspective you have, which sometimes is just
- 3:57going to be me going like oh oh yeah, I'm very familiar with that
- 4:00game. Yeah, it's a really it's a balancing act between like asking questions
- 4:05that will lead them in interesting directions while not also asking questions that make it
- 4:11very obvious. This is something they should pay attention to because that ruined the
- 4:15surprise yet for sure, And that's one of the things best that too,
- 4:20is like there will be like a gag and it's just like, is this
- 4:25just a gag or is this going to be super serious and I should really
- 4:28like know what this is happening with. Yeah, okay, And I want
- 4:31to mention too. I wasn't ready for this, but I realized, like
- 4:36Netflix, when you reach the end of a series, oh yeah, they
- 4:41end the episode and then there's no like play next episode obviously, and then
- 4:46that series disappears from your like watch more list, you know. Oh And
- 4:54I didn't realize that this is as far as the episodes have reached on Netflix.
- 5:00So I don't know if there's you know, news about when more of
- 5:03the episodes are going to be available, because some people were like aware that
- 5:06there were more coming in the last wait that I had sort of between and
- 5:13I don't know if I have to subscribe to crunchy roll now or if they're
- 5:16on Hulu. I'll look into it, but I'm pretty much going to give
- 5:19up on having the dub version easily available to me for now. Yeah,
- 5:27Funimation is the website that does them. I think they've been partnered with Hulu,
- 5:30so that makes me think Hulu might have it or the Funimation site.
- 5:33You can probably get the dub up to its current which is its unsubscription or
- 5:39you know, crunchy Roll obviously does have it, but you would have to
- 5:42you would have to switch to subs for that. Yeah. I tried doing
- 5:46Funimation way back, and I don't know what the deal was, but their
- 5:51apps never I had to watch from my computer. It did not work on
- 5:58my television, it didn't work on mobile. It was really frustrating. So
- 6:00I don't know if I'm going to be able to make that work this time
- 6:02because I have a different TV now, but it's an older one actually,
- 6:06because it's a hand me down, so maybe even worse. Who knows Gus
- 6:11is asking a Fundimation merged with crunchy role. They keeps They've been saying for
- 6:15literally three years that they're merging and that everything is going to be on crunchy
- 6:18roll and it still has not happened as far as I know, so I'm
- 6:21sort of like not holding my breath on that ever being successful at this point.
- 6:28But anyway, episode Okay, I mentioned that I think the new name
- 6:33is cursed. Yeah, what is that about? Is sunny thousand thousand sunny?
- 6:45So right there, I think is a really good example of why I
- 6:49don't like it, and it may grow on me. I think that the
- 6:54fact that I can't remember which word comes first, because either way it doesn't
- 6:58really make any sense at all all is kind of part of why I'm just
- 7:01like what And also the fact that it doesn't have anything to do with lions,
- 7:05which I got my hopes up very much that we're going to have like
- 7:09a title that went with the look of the ship. But I shouldn't be
- 7:13that surprised because the going Mary was also a really weird name, and eventually
- 7:17just calling it the Mary like that did grow on me. I don't know,
- 7:24this is kind of a spoiler, like does it get do do people
- 7:27tend to call it one of the two words mostly the sunny the sunny?
- 7:31Okay, I think I can deal with the sunny. Yeah, Yeah,
- 7:35that's better by itself, I think. And it's kind of that thing,
- 7:39and I think this kind of happens with the Going Mary too, Like it's
- 7:41got the face that's got that little smile, and it's a cute smile,
- 7:44right, So just every once in a while you're with the crew and you
- 7:46look over and the ship's got it's a little smile to face there, and
- 7:48you're like, thousand Sunny, all right, let's go. You know.
- 7:51Yeah, the design of the ship is still so weird, but I really
- 7:56like it better than the Mary's, Like in terms of I know a lot
- 8:01of people thought it was a flower. I think it's very recognizably a lion.
- 8:05I think it's like, you know, I don't know, it has
- 8:07that act, yes exactly. But the Mary's like weird. I had that
- 8:13just thing in my head about how this dude sculptured himself onto their ship and
- 8:18I could not get over it. So the fact that this is kind of
- 8:22not actually anybody specifically, I actually kind of like that better. So I
- 8:28think it's going to grow on me. But when they said the thousand Sonny
- 8:33was very clear like that was the name they were going to go with.
- 8:35As soon as he said it, and I was like, but what I
- 8:39will say though, obviously the names like Lufy is suggesting are not better.
- 8:43So if I was going to pick between only things that they mentioned on the
- 8:46show, then yes, I'm gonna go with the remind me a thousand sonny
- 8:52Sonny thousand thousand. Okay, Okay. So the episode picks up right where
- 9:03we left off, where they are fleeing from his grandfather's cannonballs, and I
- 9:11was really like, not sure. I didn't think about the fact that likely
- 9:16this was going to be a moment where we got to showcase the abilities of
- 9:20the ship, and I should have thought of that. But even if I
- 9:26had thought of that, what it turns out to be is not something that
- 9:30I would have predicted. Right, Frankie has built in thrusters basically so it
- 9:37can fly. I think he's just from one kilometer only that's what he says.
- 9:43It is presumably around that distance. It's fueled by kola also, like
- 9:50he is, is that right? I don't know why, but I just
- 9:52love that. This is just a weird what a weird choice. But yeah,
- 10:00the weapon that his grandfather gets out, what is this called this giant
- 10:07ass cannonball? On? I don't even want to call it a chain.
- 10:13It's like it's like on one of those arms that sort of flattens, like
- 10:18what I imagine is in a Looney tune when a gloved fist comes out of
- 10:24something and punches you. It's on one of those sorts of things. Actually,
- 10:28I don't know what the word for that is. I don't either.
- 10:31Yeah, this thing is so absurd, and honestly I got agitated watching it
- 10:41coming towards their ship because there's like no way they're getting away from it.
- 10:46And it felt very unfair Frankly that he was able to use this thing that
- 10:50shouldn't even technically fit on their ship. But that's fine, this dude is
- 10:56out of control though. It's like one of those there's so many moments in
- 11:00one piece, whereas if you just like write it out as a sentence,
- 11:03it's like the most ridiculous out of contexting ever. And then they use their
- 11:07Coca Cola rocket to get away from the giant cannonball, extend to arm the
- 11:13cannonball larger than the ship they are standing on, firing it from. Yeah,
- 11:20yeah, this whole thing is it's just very fun to see Frankie get
- 11:26to like show off what he can do. We get a flashback in the
- 11:31midst of this of him like coming up with names, and we find out
- 11:35that the name thousand Son he was suggested by Iceberg because everybody thought it was
- 11:43either a sun or a flower, I think, and I think he was
- 11:46just sort of trying to poke at Frankie a little bit, to be honest,
- 11:50I feel like he was just trying to irritate him a little bit,
- 11:54but being like, yeah, well, you know, the sun, It's
- 11:56obviously not anything other than a sun, like you keep saying, um.
- 12:03And then we go to a sort of montage around everywhere our characters have come
- 12:13from and see the reaction that their friends and or family left behind are having
- 12:24to seeing their their wanted posters newes. Yeah, yeah, this is really
- 12:30fun. We've done one of these before, right, yeah, sort of
- 12:35circling back Yeah yeah, um right, when they like, I'm pretty sure
- 12:39it's their like their first set of bounties, they get um. And then
- 12:43there's the one after Alabasta where Lufi gets brought up to I think I don't
- 12:50know if it was a one hundred or one hundred twenty or one hundred and
- 12:52fifties something like that, and then and then now okay, and yeah,
- 12:58this is actually really fun. It's just always like nice to see that the
- 13:01people that they used to know still kind of like matter. I don't even
- 13:07know if matters the right word, because like how much do they really matter
- 13:09plot wise? Maybe they matter a lot more than I realize, But it's
- 13:13just nice to like check in with him and feel like they haven't been forgotten
- 13:16I guess by the writer, you know. And I can love so much
- 13:22the reaction that Sangi's crew has to seeing his poster. You guys, they're
- 13:30so like there's simultaneously so proud of him and enjoying this so much more because
- 13:35it is such a goofy poster and putting it up with no concern at all
- 13:41because they're like nobody is going to recognize him. That was really delightful.
- 13:46What is the name of the witch doctor as I call her that Chopper Karreha.
- 13:56I cannot remember that name. I don't know why. Even when I
- 13:58was covering it, I literally called her by her name like twice because I
- 14:03could not remember it. There's a lot, but there's some that like really
- 14:09hit, like, you know, I don't know why some of them lodge
- 14:13in my brain and I'm like, yeah, I got it, and then
- 14:16other ones don't. It's like meeting somebody and they tell you their name is
- 14:18Bill, but they don't look like a Bill, and so you just can't
- 14:22you know what I mean? Um So this uh like montage. Overall,
- 14:31there's not a lot of like new information. There's there's one dude who gets
- 14:35mad about how the picture of Nami it is too lude, but he has
- 14:43it blown up to roughly the size of a king bed and put on his
- 14:48paw. The woman that he's speaking to is this somebody that we know that
- 14:56that is her adoptive sister? Oh right, okay, I forgot about her.
- 15:03Yeah I remember now finding her lips that are slightly paler than the rest
- 15:07of her face. Kind of funny because it looks like she's wearing like very
- 15:11nineties lipstick, right right, right? Okay? Cool? And who what's
- 15:18the oh oh oh right. The other one I wanted to mention is that
- 15:22Usap's friends, even in a literal poster, recognize him, while Lufy and
- 15:30Chopper apparently still haven't put two and two together. I guess what's going to
- 15:37happen there? We still haven't like had that moment. Are we getting that
- 15:41moment? Can you If we're not getting that moment, tell me, I
- 15:46will say that the most satisfying thing to me. It's one of those moments
- 15:50like, uh, like I mentioned, where at first it's a gag,
- 15:52but then it turns out really serious. So the whole time of Enny's lobby,
- 15:56Lufy doesn't know that USAP is Sniper King, and USAP without the mask
- 16:03showing up is what makes Lufy like get the will to stand up and he's
- 16:08like, oh my gosh, USAP you came. And so it's like for
- 16:11Lufi it's like his his best friend who hasn't been here the whole time is
- 16:15suddenly here. Now now I can stand up and fight and finish, finish
- 16:18off Lucci. And then so you can put that together that it's like seeing
- 16:22us up without the mask at the time, Oh my god, right,
- 16:26okay, yeah, him not knowing it's USAP becomes like a pretty significant thing,
- 16:30and then it's just you know, immediately back to you know, so
- 16:36uh, you know, if we get Sniper King again at some point in
- 16:40the future in the story, then that will that will come up again and
- 16:44we either will or we won't. Oh my god, I'm dying, you
- 16:47guys. I really am, like, I don't know why this is so
- 16:51important to me, but I am desperate for them to figure out that that's
- 16:56USAP like. And it's weird because impressing Lofy and Chopper is not hard,
- 17:06you know, So I don't know why I'm so desperate for them to understand
- 17:11who that really is. I think it's just because I know how much like
- 17:18it would mean to us UP for Loofy to be really thrilled at his reveal,
- 17:22Like us Up looks up to Lufy in so many ways because of what
- 17:27a good fighter he is, and if if Lufy were to follow all over
- 17:33himself and be like, oh my god, I can't believe you're Sniper King,
- 17:36that is the coolest, which is fully what I expect his reaction to
- 17:38be. I think that is just going to mean so much to us UP
- 17:42and I want him to like get that moment. I really want it for
- 17:45him. It feels like when you watch a nineties sort of team comedy and
- 17:52there's a girl that's definitely gonna get a makeover and be super hot, and
- 17:56you just have to sit through everybody like being shipped to her and her dressing
- 18:02really badly, and you're like, I just I can't wait for the reveal.
- 18:04I can't wait for her to come out and like look amazing, and
- 18:07everybody shut their mouths, even though, let's be real, she was hot
- 18:11from the beginning and nobody is surprised. But that's kind of how I'm like,
- 18:15I just want the satisfying reveal very very badly for him. I can't
- 18:22believe we haven't had it yet. Yeah, legit, I really didn't think
- 18:26he was going to have rejoined the crew without that having happened, and the
- 18:30fact that he is with them and hasn't told them yet because I'm assuming he
- 18:37doesn't think he has to tell them, right, and you know, because
- 18:41it's the whole Silkiking thing was partly a shame thing. It was, you
- 18:47know, I'm I'm I'm ashamed to go back and be with them without having
- 18:52you know, made his apology, which he ends up you know, having
- 18:55to make and stuff, and so yeah, it's um, you know,
- 19:00his inner arc with his you know, self confidence and all of that stuff,
- 19:06for sure has made progress but is not completely resolved yet. M Yeah,
- 19:11I guess that's true. I just really like he has come so far,
- 19:18and I you guys know, his storyline just crushed me to the point
- 19:22that I wasn't seeing things from Zoro's perspective at all and was fully ready to
- 19:26just forgive him and forget everything. So at this point I'm just like,
- 19:30well, there's a cat. I'm sorry, guys, I was listening.
- 19:33There's a cat that just poked their head on the screen. Can you introduce
- 19:37this to the cat? Just really cool. The cat's name is Yuki.
- 19:41Um. She is very antisocial, and so that might be like, you
- 19:47know, no amount of and scratching furniture will get her to come over if
- 19:51she doesn't want to, So well, hi, Yuki. Maybe again.
- 19:56At some point she pooked her head and saw that she was Cameron was like,
- 20:00I'm out, yeah something bye, m Is there anything else in the
- 20:07flashback or not flashback the montage specifically that you wanted to mention where we check
- 20:12in with all the other friends. No, I mean it's mostly kind of
- 20:17like like what you said, you know, the only the only other ones
- 20:19we get, you know, another glimpse briefly of Dragon, but um,
- 20:22you know, other than that, Yeah, yes, I forgot about that
- 20:26because that's like sort of at the end of things, and I ought to
- 20:30say, I thought he looked really different, and maybe it's just like because
- 20:36he didn't have his hood on this time. The only time that we've seen
- 20:40his face so far was from under a hood right when he was like up
- 20:47was it Smoker that he was talking to? So see, this is gonna
- 20:53sound weird, but seeing his hairline and like the rest of his face,
- 20:59like his chin as well, out of shadow, he just looks way different
- 21:03than I expected because it aged him a lot. Like he's got a sort
- 21:08of scruffy little beard, he's got a widow's peak, but it's just odd
- 21:15looking. And overall there's like a sort of cast under his eyes, like
- 21:22what I call this is the omen cast, because it's that sort of like
- 21:26makeup like dark under circle kind of thing that is done to children and horror
- 21:32movies a lot to signal that they're like not great, that they're probably either
- 21:37possessed or evil or whatever. It's sort of that look a little bit.
- 21:41So he's looking a lot more ominous in this, whereas in the shot with
- 21:48Smoker he just looked kind of manic as ominous as any hooded figure in a
- 21:55storm would look, you know, not really that distinct, Yeah, exactly.
- 21:59There was just nothing like specific about it. It was I don't know.
- 22:03There was something about the smile as well that he was giving him that
- 22:06was just sort of really reminded me of Ace and made him seem sort of
- 22:08like funner, I guess, for lack of a better word, he just
- 22:12seemed a little bit more And maybe he is. But in this shot when
- 22:17we see him, he's got like a grin on his face. That doesn't
- 22:22bode well for anyone, And it did translate the subtitle for me the World's
- 22:27most heinous criminal Revolutionist Dragon Monkey d Dragon. Yeah, and that is the
- 22:37last shot of that episode. And there there is this thing that happens where
- 22:41a lot of the characters early on have one design, and then when they
- 22:45get reintroduced and become more prominent, they have a slightly altered design. So
- 22:49it might be a little bit of both there where he's he kind of iterated
- 22:52on his design. Interesting, I want to do a side by side Now
- 22:57I'm interested coming quite as much until like, wait, you know, quite
- 23:02a bit later. But but yeah, certain characters I keep thinking that we're
- 23:07like a good way into the series and having to remind myself that we're like
- 23:11a third of the way in kind of basically about a third. Yeah,
- 23:18um, the Florian saying we also see Viv and Lufy's hometown. Yeah,
- 23:23well that was what I was saying, Like, is there anything specific,
- 23:26because I'm guessing that what Shane wants to talk about really is the next episode
- 23:32mostly, So yeah, I don't think there's anything else specific other than you
- 23:38know, getting to actually just see people's reactions, which which, like you
- 23:41said, it's always it's always fun to like see everybody back home being you
- 23:45know, proud, proud of our crew. M whoop slap. Gus is
- 23:52in the chat saying whoop slap with an exclamation point. What does that mean?
- 23:56Gus? Is that a type though? Um, I don't even remember.
- 24:00I'm like, oh, he's the mayor of Lufi's hometown. I shouldn't
- 24:07have forgot that. I'm a bad one piece fan for the mayor is named
- 24:14whoop slap. Yeah, did I know that? It was probably said once
- 24:19and never again. That's or you know, that's how these things go.
- 24:23Sometimes it's like mentioned in a data book. So yeah, that is that
- 24:30is hands down the weirdest of all the names in the series so far.
- 24:33That is a weird name. Just to give you another example, this only
- 24:37came out I think in an SPS, which is like a Q and A
- 24:41that the author does in the manga every volume. Um, the when Sandi's
- 24:48first in Baratier and the Marine dude uh finds a soup and finds a fly
- 24:53in a soup. The fly's name is Bacchi. Would have named the fly
- 24:57that was in the soup that was in that episode, and his name is
- 25:02Bocchi. And it's very important that we recognize Bocchi. He has a name.
- 25:06He deserves recognition. I don't even know what to say, right,
- 25:11yeah, I'm struck dumb, all right, Bocchi. It is r I
- 25:17P. Bocchi. We hardly knew you. Um oh my god. Whoop
- 25:21slap is a great gag because he was pushed forward by a forum, so
- 25:25he made it to the top in one of the character popularity contests. He
- 25:30was pushed forward by a forum. Yes, so they actually they actually have
- 25:36a character popularity polls that like are like official by shown and jumped done in
- 25:41Japan and stuff. And there was a forum that kind of like crowdsourced campaign
- 25:45to get whoop slap, you know, a lot of votes in the character
- 25:48popularity poll and it worked. So he was randomly just like in the top
- 25:52like twenty or thirty or something. One time. That's really fun is whoop
- 25:56Slap up here? It's okay, excuse me, everybody. I think we
- 25:59all should agree that Bocci should have been one of the biggest most popular characters.
- 26:06Yeah. I mean, if we're gonna do this, then let's looking
- 26:08do this and get Bocci up there on the leaderboard. I'm just saying,
- 26:14um, all right, so let's jump into the next episode, which is
- 26:18truly bonkers. This thing is I don't think we see almost any of our
- 26:26straw hats, do we in this whole episode? This is pure Ace?
- 26:30And is this this isn't What is this guy's name because black Beard is the
- 26:36guy he works for? Is black Beard? Oh? He is black Beard,
- 26:41but he doesn't have that white Beard is the pirate and he also doesn't
- 26:47have a beard that Ace is part of and that black Beard used to be.
- 26:52Right, Okay, I thought this guy worked for black Beard because once
- 26:56again I am foolishly expecting their names to go with the way they look.
- 27:00But I need to really learn my lesson on He's got a little bit,
- 27:03he's got a little bit of beard. There's a couple of lines there that's
- 27:07some five o'clock shadow that's like maybe maybe it'll get maybe it'll get better.
- 27:11You know, if he made like a beard out of a shadow, that
- 27:17would be kind of fun. And it's just like hovered around his face.
- 27:19I could I could get down with that. Um. But we start off
- 27:26with the newspaper being read by and forgive me, I don't know any of
- 27:33the names of the guys that are with black Beard, and I'm not sure
- 27:37I'm supposed to yet. Uh. They might have like name dropped a couple
- 27:41of them, but it's not really important. Okay, So the guy who's
- 27:45reading the newspaper is the one that's got the like scope I thing. Um,
- 27:55I say again, Vanger van an Auger. Okay, And we saw
- 28:02him, didn't We see him like a ways back on the roof of a
- 28:04building, like waiting for them somewhere. Yeah. The first the first time
- 28:10that we get introduced to them, we see black Beard and Van Auger and
- 28:17a couple of the other ones okay. Um, so we have him,
- 28:22we have the guy who's like a mime with the cane. Yeah, that
- 28:29is Lafitte. You don't need you don't need to remember all that Lafitte.
- 28:33I feel like I remember you guys telling me that because I specifically asked about
- 28:37that guy because he is hilarious. And there's a point later, you guys,
- 28:41where black Beard has been laid out and Lafitte runs to see if he's
- 28:45okay, in such a manner that I giggled uncontrollably for a moment because he
- 28:52is prancing and his hands are like behind his back holding the cane, and
- 28:56so the prance really looks like it's just it's a moment. It really is
- 29:03quite a moment. But yeah. So they're talking about the fact that the
- 29:10the straw Hat crew all has like higher bounties and what has probably gone down
- 29:15there, and they're talking about how the fact that the straw Hats are as
- 29:25close by as they are it is fate that they are right here because they
- 29:33are meant to take them out. I guess like the way this conversation goes,
- 29:40it feels like it's in media res, like we interrupted and they were
- 29:45already something had already been set up. Is this related to the like scene
- 29:52when they're introduced. Are they told to go after Lufy in that scene way
- 29:57way back when we first see them, they aren't specifically told to know.
- 30:03Okay, I don't remember. I don't remember if there's I don't remember if
- 30:08they say that they'd be interested in going after Loofy. But it's one of
- 30:12those things where just like you know, any pirate that has a reasonably high
- 30:18bounty, like other pirates, you know, there's an incentive for them to
- 30:19go after them because you know they can turn them in for money. Gotcha?
- 30:23Okay, So yeah, these guys are all just like getting hyped up,
- 30:30like we're going to go after them for sure. And as they're walking
- 30:33through this town, which they've clearly sacked, this place is like a wreck.
- 30:38There's hardly any people because apparently most of the town's people have fled.
- 30:45All of a sudden, we have Ace on one of the rooftops yelling down
- 30:49to Blackbeard and is basically just like trying to because he is the one that
- 30:59they he's got like a vendetta against, right, didn't Blackbeard? Like?
- 31:04Is he sent to take black Beard down? Was that what it was.
- 31:07I'm so sorry you guys, but there's a lot to keep track of of
- 31:11the show. Yeah, no, no, it's it's cool. So we
- 31:12got a little bit of extra context for it when Shanks met up with white
- 31:17Beard and we learned that Blackbeard, while he was on Whitebeard's crew, killed
- 31:22one of his fellow crew mates, right, and Whitebeard mentions how that is
- 31:27an unforgivable crime on a pirate crew, and so Ace is going after him
- 31:33because of that. Okay, So Ace's goal is not to capture black Beard
- 31:40and bring him to white Beard, right, it's to kill him or do
- 31:44we know it's not explicitly stated, but like you know, it's it would
- 31:48be reasonable to assume that that Ace wants to burn him up. Okay.
- 31:53So Blackbeard is, you know, very impressed with Ace and tries to do
- 32:02the whole like we're not so different you and I kind of thing and get
- 32:07him to join on with his own crew. And I don't feel like Ace
- 32:15was actually considering this, but he sort of like lets Blackbeard think he's considering
- 32:22it. I guess it's the way I want to put it, because he
- 32:25doesn't exactly slap him down. He's it's not until Blackbeard explicitly says, help
- 32:35me take down this fucking loofy dude, and you know we'll be all set.
- 32:42And that is when Ace tells him that's my little brother. Of course
- 32:47I'm not going to help you kill him a piece of shit. It's quite
- 32:52a it's an aggressive moment. He doesn't call him a piece of ship,
- 32:55but it's like pretty aggro in the dub. I will say, he's pretty
- 33:00like insulting whatever it is that he says. Um, and I want to
- 33:07mention the Okay, so I know I don't have to remember the names,
- 33:09but I'm desperately curious. What's the name of the guy on the fucking horse
- 33:14who's always like a sleepop quiz? This one really makes me laugh because Owen
- 33:22hasn't been watching the show with me lately. He had been watching along with
- 33:27me a lot but sort of fell off, and Owen has recently what is
- 33:30it doc Q? Doc q? Yeah, okay, man, these names
- 33:37are all over the place. Huh um he Owen has been struggling a lot
- 33:44with like overwhelming fatigue and we're trying to figure out where that's coming from.
- 33:50And this dude just barely lifting his head as he's like sleeping on the back
- 33:53of his horse. This is extremely owen energy lately. So I feel like
- 33:59I want him to watch these episodes to just see a character that I'm gonna
- 34:02be like, baby, that's you. Is he right now? The horse's
- 34:06name is Stronger. I remembered his horse's name, but I couldn't remember his
- 34:09name. His name is Stronger the horse. Yeah, Stronger, Okay,
- 34:16then what then whom? All right, well, who knows? It's a
- 34:22mystery. So what if the guys takes a shot at Ace and he misses
- 34:36or does Ace burn up the bullet? Yeah, So it's kind of like
- 34:40a thing. The last time we really saw it was sort of with NL
- 34:45with with the lightning, but also with like Smoker and Crocodile, where it's
- 34:51just like if they have a loggia power, they can just kind of like
- 34:55respond to whatever's happening and turn like so he's where the bullets are passing through.
- 35:01He's making his body made out of fire at those spots so that they
- 35:05just passed. Oh why see? Okay, will you refresh me on what
- 35:10the types of powers? You just had? Loggia power and I don't remember
- 35:14this oh yes, that's so. Logia are the ones like ace um,
- 35:19you know Blackbeard in this episode with his darkness, Trout claims that he has
- 35:23a Loggia that's just a little weird um and you know, like and all
- 35:27with the lightning anybody who can kind of turn their body into an element um.
- 35:31And then there is the zones, which are just Zoe and Zoo animal
- 35:36you know, Chopper, the other guy and his the bull guy and his
- 35:42you know raffman, yeah, giraffe man, Kaku. And then Paramesia is
- 35:49basically the third category, which Lucy's is in, and is just kind of
- 35:52like anything not in those other two categories. Wow, okay, so that
- 35:58would be like Robin's power. Yeah, okay, interesting, I don't remember.
- 36:05Have they ever mentioned the paramesia name before? I don't remember. I
- 36:12imagine they might have, because I know they've meant. They mentioned Zoe in
- 36:15uh Drum Island with Chopper, and log got mentioned with either smoke or crocodile
- 36:22or something, So it's probably but you know, okay revealing anything, okay,
- 36:27Skypia briefly thank okay, okay, cool um, Yeah, I just
- 36:32did not remember that at all. Okay. So Loggia is the type that
- 36:37Ace has, So he turns his body into fire at the spot where the
- 36:40bullet goes through, so it just passes through. That's kind of dope.
- 36:45Yeah, I like that. Who's like, if you were going to pick,
- 36:49what kind of power would you pick? Oh? Um, of of
- 36:54the I mean just categorically, like you know, would probably be like the
- 37:00most powerful, but like in a real life situation, there's probably some paramesia
- 37:05that would be like most useful. Yeah, Like, um, you know,
- 37:12like if I could use a Robin clone to like read books and like
- 37:15you know, do other things while like my main self, you know that
- 37:19that kind of thing, you know, So that's a dream. Yeah,
- 37:23But I don't know. Zone would be fun too if it was like a
- 37:25flying one. So yeah, that's true because like I was really about to
- 37:30dismiss Zone entirely as just kind of like cool but not real useful. But
- 37:35flying, Okay, I could see that. The logia, I mean,
- 37:40I feel like LOGI has got a lot of advantage if you are into combat,
- 37:45which I am not, so I don't really think that would be I
- 37:47want something like really practical, So yeah, I think that what I keep
- 37:52imagining if I had like a power like Robbins is just having hands coming out
- 37:57and like at the stove, just like frying something while I'm like chopping something
- 38:00over here, it would be huge help in the kitchen. That would be
- 38:04amazing. Um okay, okay, So he is, uh, he is
- 38:10just kind of stunting on them a little bit, sitting up there and showing
- 38:16off this dude that fired at him. He then fires back like fire bullets
- 38:22out of his fingertips, which is honestly a great bit that I really like.
- 38:30I don't know, it's just it's not original, but it's fun.
- 38:32Yeah. Uh. Name of the wrestler type guy with the mask, Jesus
- 38:39Burgess. What yeah, y'all. Now you know it's it's a thing.
- 38:52He's kind of like a lutador looking dude, and you know, right right,
- 38:54Bannet culture, Jesus is a pretty common name, and so you know
- 39:00it might be you know, it's sure, but you know, Burgess is
- 39:09not an appropriate last name. I mean, okay, whatever, it's fine.
- 39:16Wow, this is why I don't remember them, because the crazy Yeah.
- 39:22So at this point, Blackbeard is like, yeah, guys, I
- 39:28really appreciate the effort and everything but no offense. Y'all cannot handle this man,
- 39:34so you should probably bail and I will deal with him because you're not
- 39:37going to make it. And just as they agree to do that, I
- 39:42thought they'd argue more, but they're much more like prepared to take his orders
- 39:47and admit that they aren't up for it, which I kind of admired.
- 39:52I feel like it takes a big person to accept their own limitations, and
- 39:57a guy that looks like us Burgess I expect to be proud and resistant to
- 40:07being told he has reached his limit. So I just was kind of like,
- 40:09oh, good for you, because he immediately apologizes and it's like,
- 40:13oh, hey, sorry, okay, I'll back off. I was like,
- 40:15nice, all right, that's good, right hand man. They as
- 40:21soon as they agree, Ace fires on them anyway and burns a whole house
- 40:30right in half. And black Beard is on the ground just yelling because he
- 40:37is on fire, and the other guys like managed to get out of there.
- 40:40But it makes sense because you know when black Beard is yelling about the
- 40:47fire and how hot it is and which it hurts, And I was like,
- 40:51is he just meant to be kind of a baby or what? And
- 40:54then we find out later any like pain that he experience variances is the amount
- 41:01of pain an average person would experience, but like multiplied a couple times,
- 41:08which, wow, that is a real achilles heel, and I appreciate it
- 41:15because his power is fucking bananas, so he really needs like an intense achilles
- 41:22heel or else this ship is unmanageable, frankly, So this is when he's
- 41:32like, all right, ace, let me show you what I can do.
- 41:37You guys, is this like the most high level power we have seen
- 41:45so far? I feel like it is. I don't know, though,
- 41:50We've got a what's his face? With the ice power and that was pretty
- 41:54intense because he froze like the whole sea like a bay because they could cross
- 42:00to another island on that ice, So that was like serious, So I
- 42:07guess he's like on par with that, right, Yeah, it definitely.
- 42:12It definitely seems like I mean, and even you know, he's too kind
- 42:16of like with the final thing where it's like shows like the whole island or
- 42:20whatever with the you know, and you know, part of that is like
- 42:22Loggia. You know. It's also like you know, during Skypia, NL
- 42:27has this like thing with this ship where he has this like giant like lightning
- 42:30bolt blast thing that he can like rain down on the island. Right,
- 42:35So yeah, it's definitely you know, we keep getting a little glimpses of
- 42:38like this tier of power that like you know, clearly uh Lufy and co
- 42:44aren't quite breaking into. Yeah, no, I wonder how this is always
- 42:52the kind of things that I think of, you guys, But like,
- 42:53imagine getting one of these powers specifically, let's say like Black Bear's power,
- 43:00what did he eat the dark dark fruit? Imagine you eat this fruit and
- 43:07then you just start experimenting to figure out what your power is and you just
- 43:13accidentally sinkhole your own home that you're standing in. That's a bad scene.
- 43:19You have got to test the shit out like far away, right, there's
- 43:23got to be they should have like a a sort of build, like an
- 43:29area that they allow people to go test their devil fruit powers in and they
- 43:34charge them and everything is like, you know, we've got it all reinforced,
- 43:37or we've got people in place to help with any medical emergencies that may
- 43:43arise due to this or whatever. But it's like a safe, safe space
- 43:47to just sort of experiment and see what happens, because maybe you don't know
- 43:53the scale of what you can do. Yeah. Yeah, people would definitely
- 43:57need it if they're not you know, like black Beard, who specifically knew
- 44:00what that fruit looked like and so he knew it it was getting. But
- 44:02you know, if if you're going in like Cocku with the giraffe fruit and
- 44:07you don't know where you're getting, and you get the bomb bomb fruit,
- 44:09then you know, good luck. I swear to God Kaku, I'm so
- 44:15sorry, bro, that was too funny. Your fruit sucked your thing,
- 44:21your whole thing's I keep thinking about him making himself into like a cube to
- 44:25protect himself and like, is that effective? Yes, But it's like the
- 44:31dorkiest thing I can imagine. You know, I really like giraffes. I
- 44:37guess I feel like even if you like giraffes, you'd be kind of like,
- 44:40oh, I mean, this doesn't I don't know, maybe you would,
- 44:44but okay, so yeah, let's let's talk about that moment. Because
- 44:47he describes like memorizing what all of the devil fruits do, and he had
- 44:55his sight set on this particular one, right m hm. So his he
- 45:01sees his friend holding it. Yeah, he's he saw he saw someone in
- 45:08white Beard's crew, a fellow crew mate. Oh, that's why that's the
- 45:15murder that he's Oh it's that, you guys. I'm so fucking slow.
- 45:19I'm so sorry. There's there's there's so many little details that you know,
- 45:24sometimes a little connection gets missed. Okay, So I feel like I'm surprised
- 45:32that it wasn't mentioned. Actually, like, yeah, he killed a crewmee,
- 45:36and he also stole a devil fruit, because I feel like that would
- 45:38be a pretty big deal. Is there only one of each fruit? I
- 45:43feel like I've asked us before, but I can't remember. I don't even
- 45:51I don't know if that gets absolutely confirmed. But we only you know,
- 45:54we only ever see one of each fruit. Okay, So all right,
- 45:59I'll say that because you know, I'm picturing them coming off of like a
- 46:01tree, and they usually have more than one fruit, but they may not
- 46:06grow like that. Maybe they grow like melons, which there's just one per
- 46:10plant really usually, I guess. Actually I don't know that. I'm saying
- 46:15that with total confidence, like I've farmed melons. I genuinely don't know if
- 46:19there's one per plant. I think they grow on vines, and they have
- 46:24like all like pumpkins. Yea, so maybe more than one could grow on
- 46:29a vine, I guess. Yeah, are forgive me for this tangent,
- 46:35but this is the show, I guess. So how are there is there
- 46:39a lot of like info out there about the way that devil fruits come about?
- 46:45Or are they kind of left murky? There is none in the story
- 46:50at this point, no, no direct suggestions of where the devil fruits might
- 46:54have come from. Okay, I was wondering if they were like for if
- 47:00we're using the melon example, if you grow a melon patch and then all
- 47:07of a sudden you notice one of them looks real weird and it turns out
- 47:10that a devil fruit just like spawned spontaneously amongst other regular fruits, or if
- 47:17it's like a specific type of plant or specific place. Has that been mentioned?
- 47:24There have been no references to anything along those lines. Okay, you
- 47:29guys, I'm really curious about this because, like, look, Frankly,
- 47:31I would really want to track down the devil fruit if I lived in this
- 47:34world. I'm surprised there aren't more people that are just on devil fruit quests.
- 47:39Frankly, I would be kind of about it, but it's so risky
- 47:45if you don't know, memorizing that whole thing. And there's they're they're they're
- 47:50kind of concentrated in the grand Line, which is where all the other dangerous
- 47:53people in the world are doing. So it's like, you know, it's
- 47:58tough. Yeah, I guess that's true. So okay, so he stole
- 48:04this thing and he tells Ace, let me show you what I can do.
- 48:09I control darkness. And at first it just looks like a shadow that's
- 48:17like coming off of his body, and it's sort of spinning in a vortex
- 48:23over his head, like a giant tornado. And I'm thinking all the townspeople,
- 48:30by the way, those who are still left, and it looks like
- 48:32it's all men pretty much who have remained behind, I guess. But the
- 48:38townsfolk are seeing that smoke is what they call it, and recognize it because
- 48:45there's plenty of damage that's already been done. They're carrying some poor guy on
- 48:50a stretcher and he's got it spinning in front of him, and I'm thinking,
- 48:58darkness, what is what do you do with that? Like I'm trying
- 49:02to imagine, you know, what the possibilities are for a power like this
- 49:07in terms of the damage and the method of use and all of that stuff.
- 49:13And I think that I was imagining it. Have you like seen Shadow
- 49:19and Bone or read any of those books. I was thinking of it,
- 49:22like the Darkling and the way that that shadow can crawl over things and just
- 49:28kills shit. And I was like, that's so high powered. That can't
- 49:35be it, because this is a huge, this whole town. It would
- 49:38be a very different kind of ruin if that were it. But he then
- 49:45explains that it has its own gravity. He calls it the most evil power
- 49:54in devil Fruit history, and I, I guess I could kind of see
- 50:00that, because it's like really pure destruction. Other powers there's multiple things that
- 50:07you could do with them, but it seems like this, it just fucks
- 50:13things up and that's purely what it does. Unless I'm missing another use for
- 50:19it, which I probably am, because I'm sure it wouldn't have been revealed
- 50:22to us that easily and that quickly all the possibilities for this power. She's
- 50:31just looking at me like, I have no idea. Who could tell?
- 50:37Certainly Blackbeard is interested in destruction above most other things. It seems like,
- 50:43I guess that's true, but yeah, he says that the dark dark fruit.
- 50:52He says, I've become a man made of darkness, and that it
- 50:57has its own gravity. And as he's saying all of this, Ace is
- 51:02really very confident that this isn't something to worry about. He just seems to
- 51:10relax. You know, He's standing there, like, go ahead and try
- 51:15it if you think it's going to work. And I know that I respect
- 51:20that on one level, but also, sir, this is something that you
- 51:25genuinely don't know what it can do, so be more on your guard than
- 51:30you are at least, but you know you have to look cool. I
- 51:35guess, yeah. Fair. So he raises a hand and the sort of
- 51:44like vortex above him spreads outward, and it's a weird look because it's not
- 51:50exactly shadow when they call it a smoke, that is kind of what it
- 51:52looks like, and it has the animation, has these weird sort of speckles
- 51:58that come off it that look like soot or something like that, and it
- 52:06spreads through from him through the entire town, and there are still a couple
- 52:14of people in town who are yelling to their friends to like get the hell
- 52:17out as fast as they can, but they are not leaving their like just
- 52:22waving to them and just saying, yeah, get out of here, and
- 52:25like, guys, are you gonna take off too? Because this doesn't And
- 52:29eventually they do. But I started to get worded, are we gonna watch
- 52:34like poor people get caught up in this whatever it is? And he says
- 52:40not even a ray of light can escape from its infinite gravity, to which
- 52:47Ace on his little like island of debris, says, I mean, I'm
- 52:52standing right here and it's not doing anything, and Blackbeard's like, yeah,
- 52:59I'm not aiming free bra, I just hold your horses like I do really
- 53:06enjoy. Black Beard is like clearly having such a good time making this little
- 53:09presentation, and Ace is doing his working his hardest to not give him the
- 53:20reaction that he's looking for. And honestly, I can understand that I don't
- 53:27like being led by the nose either, and somebody just being real smug in
- 53:31front of me, I'm not going to want to give them the satisfaction,
- 53:36So I can really understand his attitude here. And then he says, what's
- 53:44the name of this one? Okay, this is called black hole, and
- 53:49the shadow sort of I don't know what to call, what to say,
- 53:53It doesn't exactly rise up because it's still pulling around the base of the buildings
- 54:01and like there's a wagon and stuff, but the light dims above it kind
- 54:09of cats back what's up, So it's not I thought that the darkness was
- 54:17going to sort of completely overtake everything, but it's almost like a mist.
- 54:22I guess this is the word I'm looking for. Ye, Yeah, and
- 54:29all of the buildings begin to break and this episode, you know, normally
- 54:35I watched these from my television, but because we were having people in our
- 54:39house today that we're like working, we got solar panels installed. The noise
- 54:46from their working was so loud and I was like, all right, you
- 54:49know what, And I went to my computer and put my headphones on to
- 54:51watch it. And I have to say that the sound design for this part
- 54:55is really good on headphones because it is so much creaking and cracking and breaking,
- 55:04and it was really effective because there's not I don't think there's like almost
- 55:07any music. I think it's just the sound of like wood snapping and stuff.
- 55:15So there it's genuinely like off putting and yeah, all of these buildings
- 55:22just begin to like tip forward and collapse. So he basically destroys this entire
- 55:30town. And I'll mention throughout ace utterly expressionless, how sir, you're watching
- 55:43a town sink into the ground and disappear. How are you maintaining? Okay,
- 55:49he's a professional. I guess he could, right, like based on
- 55:54what we see him the fireball he makes later, But I just I guess
- 56:01we don't. We've never really seen him do anything on that level, have
- 56:05we not? Really not? Okay, so four pounds people. Whoops,
- 56:13Sorry, I knocked over this bottle of bottle and nail oil I had over
- 56:17here. Oh boy, I'm gonna have to clean that up later. The
- 56:22townspeople are watching. I feel so bad for these poor schmucks man Like they're
- 56:30just trying to clear out after these pirates came and ruined their day. And
- 56:35I think they just thought they had seen the worst of it already and that
- 56:39probably if they like bailed, maybe they could leave the pirates to their devices
- 56:45and then come back. But they're click quickly learning that there's not going to
- 56:52be a town for them to come back to, Like this is Oh yeah,
- 56:57Gus is saying we saw him destroy five ships with one punch once.
- 57:01I did completely forget about that. Yeah, I think that I just have
- 57:07not had an a complete appreciation for the level of the logia powers, I
- 57:14guess. And and like it is something that they have to practice, right,
- 57:19Like they can't just do this as soon as they eat the fruit.
- 57:22They have to sort of work up to being able to perfect things at this
- 57:27level. There there is a comment early on where like it takes a lot
- 57:30of like you know, training and dedications to truly like master your your fruits
- 57:35powers and stuff. Okay, so yeah, the poor towns people have to
- 57:43watch as their town gets just like sucked under. And then we have black
- 57:49Beard just standing there in this like in this tiny patch, and then he
- 57:57says, all right, and now liberate and he basically shits it all out
- 58:04again. And it's just shrapnel. It's like pure broken, you know,
- 58:10it's not like whole buildings coming out or anything. It all got crushed and
- 58:15like put through a food processor and then it's just showered out. I'm really
- 58:21wondering if he can hold it in or if it has to be released after
- 58:25he does this. I'm assuming it has to be released. But if he
- 58:31could hold it in his within his power and go somewhere else, this could
- 58:39be a really effective weapon on its own, you know, like if you
- 58:45like went, if you were on the sea, for example, and you
- 58:49wanted to attack another ship, you don't need cannonballs. You could just release
- 58:55all of this. Like what's the word I'm wanting here? That's the yes,
- 59:02that's exactly the word. Yes. But I have to assume that isn't
- 59:07possible. I shouldn't assume. Why would I do that? I always assume
- 59:13shit, and I'm wrong, like almost every time. But do you see
- 59:19what I mean? Yeah, Yeah, I know that. I mean,
- 59:21you know, I would guess that it likes Yeah, would at least still
- 59:23take someone out of like effort or stamin or concentration. Yeah, I guess
- 59:29that's yeah. So maybe he could like work up to doing something like that,
- 59:32but he's not quite at that level yet, I don't know, or
- 59:37maybe he is already, wouldn't I know. I would like to just emphasize
- 59:42to everybody, I don't know anything. That's why we're here, right,
- 59:46It's the beauty of the fact that I don't know shit, right, So
- 59:52it all comes out and I'm still feeling like that's incredib badass. But also
- 1:00:01it does take a long time for him to accomplish this, So while it's
- 1:00:07a really destructive power, that's like pretty impressive. I felt like the caveat
- 1:00:13of yeah, you can destroy like a town, but people can run and
- 1:00:20outpace this darkness pretty easily, right. I don't know if he was just
- 1:00:25like drawing it out for the drama of it, or if he can do
- 1:00:30it faster, but it felt like, you know, okay, we've got
- 1:00:35a sort of a weak point there, and he releases all the debris and
- 1:00:43then Ace just like fucking zaps him again with fire, which was honestly very
- 1:00:47funny. It just felt like Ace was just like stop it, you know,
- 1:00:52just sort of and then he says, but I already told you dark
- 1:01:00kind of straws everything in, including bullets, swords, punches, fire,
- 1:01:06lightning. I don't get the ability for things to pass through me, and
- 1:01:14my pain is a lot worse, but I get a good payoff, which
- 1:01:19means I'm able to absorb. And he does black vortex and zeros in specifically
- 1:01:28on Ace and pulls him forward. First, Ace's hat comes off. Not
- 1:01:37good kids, not a good sign. We all know when a character who
- 1:01:45has a hat loses the hat, it's gotten very real for that character.
- 1:01:52It's a bad sign. Is there any significance to the like smiling and sad
- 1:01:57face on Ace's hat? Is that anything? Not? Anything directly noted.
- 1:02:05The only thing I know about is that, like it was the like the
- 1:02:08old drama masks that's got like the smile in the frown for like the comedy
- 1:02:13tragedy thing. That was what I was thinking. But I didn't know why
- 1:02:15he would have that. I don't know if there's a specific reference that's being
- 1:02:20made there or anything. Though, Yeah, I'm curious if you guys know,
- 1:02:24God knows that there's not a rhyme or reason to plenty of costume designs
- 1:02:29on this show, but it's such a specific thing with him. So,
- 1:02:36yeah, he starts a drug. And this is the first time I think
- 1:02:37that we see Ace genuinely look a little bit alarmed, you know, getting
- 1:02:43pulled in like this. Do you remember the first time watching this? Do
- 1:02:47you remember your reaction? I was. It was the year was two eleven.
- 1:02:54It would have been my junior college in my dorm, and I was
- 1:02:58I blitzed through the anime was up until it was right before this, so
- 1:03:06I started reading the manga, so I would have gotten to this in the
- 1:03:08manga, and I was just so like just isasablue to the page, like,
- 1:03:13oh my god, what is going on here? But you know it,
- 1:03:17it's one of those things where it's like I'd read enough at that point
- 1:03:20where going into this fight, you know, it's Lufy's brother, he's the
- 1:03:23cool guy, he's got the firepowers. He's not gonna lose here, right,
- 1:03:29but like, you know, that's kind of what the expectation is.
- 1:03:32And so it's it's what actually makes you a little bit worried and and so
- 1:03:37like it's that point where like you see that he's able to do this,
- 1:03:40and you see he's able to hit him without his zoga, and it was
- 1:03:43like, oh shit, if it's if if he's gonna lose, that's definitely
- 1:03:49something that could make him lose. Yeah, So it's it's when it kind
- 1:03:52of hits I was like, oh no, okay, well this might actually
- 1:03:55not go Ace's way. Yeah, it's an I'm going to assume that most
- 1:04:02of the time, people of Ace's caliber don't die because of the you know,
- 1:04:10the fact that we haven't had any like deaths of that nature in the
- 1:04:16show. Really, we've had people who died in flashbacks a lot, but
- 1:04:20it doesn't seem to happen that much in the present unless they're baddies. But
- 1:04:25even then they kind of tend to be okay, depending But that doesn't mean
- 1:04:30that he can't get really hurt or at least like kind of taken out of
- 1:04:36the running for a little bit or or. And this is my fear because
- 1:04:44what we find out is that Blackbeard can absorb devil Fruit powers when he touches
- 1:04:49you, and I think that's super unfair. Just for the record, this
- 1:05:00is like I feel like I said something about, is there anybody who can
- 1:05:06like take powers away or do because there was an X men who can do
- 1:05:12this? Right? Not rogue because she kills people? Could she use their
- 1:05:15power on them though? Oh not not use the power on it, but
- 1:05:17it but it takes away their power while she's touching them. Right. Is
- 1:05:23there is there anybody who can like replicate their power back at them. I'm
- 1:05:29not sure. There's so many. There's so many. I imagine there's there's
- 1:05:32one somewhere in the annals. If if Owen were here, he would definitely
- 1:05:38know because he is just that guy. But um, but yeah, I
- 1:05:43feel like I have like voiced this concern before, like what if there's a
- 1:05:46devil fruit power that like does other devil fruit powers or you know, basically
- 1:05:51like a what's that pokemon that can just ditto? Yeah, you know somebody
- 1:05:58who could just do that. And this isn't exactly that because he does have
- 1:06:01to touch you, which I guess, thank god. But this scene when
- 1:06:11he pulls Ace toward him, you know, it's one thing to just be
- 1:06:14like, oh, I'm just gonna avoid him in this fight, but he
- 1:06:17can like use his power to suck you toward him, which is really grim.
- 1:06:26I don't love it, That's all I'm saying. So, yeah,
- 1:06:30he grabs Ace, he's holding him, and then he when Ace tries to
- 1:06:39like use his own power, nothing happens, and he punches Ace and sends
- 1:06:45him flying. He doesn't use Ace's power, does he? He just takes
- 1:06:51it from him. Okay, So that's still terrible though. Yeah, there
- 1:06:59is like an extra in dignity in using somebody's same power against them though,
- 1:07:02And I'm sort of glad he can't do that, right, that's sort of
- 1:07:06humiliating, you know, I mean, this is humilia, no no fancies,
- 1:07:13but yikes, we see blood and Ace is genuinely looking a little bit
- 1:07:18shook. Um. Black Beard says something like, it's probably been a long
- 1:07:25time since you had to take a punch. Huh did you forget that?
- 1:07:29Shit sucks? And Ace doesn't exactly reply, But I feel like the answer
- 1:07:34to that is yes, what this whole scene this is just so wild.
- 1:07:47There's so many questions I have, but I know you can't answer them.
- 1:07:50So I keep starting to ask you things and then sort of cutting myself off
- 1:07:55because I'm like, you can't. You can't point. Yeah, they're I
- 1:07:59mean they're they're stuff. I can tell you stuff that you'll have to read
- 1:08:02and find out, you know, rapo. I can tell you what information
- 1:08:06about stuff that you should know or have been presented so far, but but
- 1:08:11yeah, a lot a lot of stuff might just be you know, read
- 1:08:15and find out. Yeah, And then like, regarding info that I should
- 1:08:19know, is it the kind of thing that like I should remember it and
- 1:08:26I haven't remembered it, Or is it that I could have put it together
- 1:08:30and I haven't, Because it's kind of meant to be a reveal. It's
- 1:08:35just just like objective stuff in the story. So like just just thinking,
- 1:08:40I went off the top of my head that that like, uh, you
- 1:08:42know comes during this post Any's Lobby section. So like when Shanks meets up
- 1:08:46with white Beard and Marco mentions Shanks's hockey. Well, any any Japanese reader
- 1:08:55would see hockey and the way that it's written. It's written in like the
- 1:08:59syllables ha key, but the word hockey and Japanese means something like willpower or
- 1:09:03ambition. Okay, that's just something something that like you know, you as
- 1:09:09the reader are supposed to kind of have that intonation that it might be sort
- 1:09:13of related to that. And then there's like you know, just just random
- 1:09:18Sometimes there's something that's randomly dropped early on, you know, in an earlier
- 1:09:23argument, you don't know that it's an important detail or you know, you're
- 1:09:26not really paying that much attention to it, but then like you know,
- 1:09:29later later on it it was something that is related to what you're talking about,
- 1:09:35and so earlier and I meant to say this, but we got very
- 1:09:43sidetracked, which is the whole point. But you said something about how people
- 1:09:46call one piece the Wheel of Time manga or anime like and well manga would
- 1:09:55be more correct, but yeah, anime anime is fine. And in the
- 1:10:00sense that it's just like this huge interlinked world and you're visiting all these different
- 1:10:03places with these characters that end up coming back, and you know it's kind
- 1:10:08of now you know that it's kind of culminating into something you don't know everything.
- 1:10:12Yeah, yeah, that was my question because I haven't read Wheel of
- 1:10:16Time, so I've been asked to cover it, but I've also had very
- 1:10:21like, sort of middling reports on whether I should cover it. It's the
- 1:10:26sort of thing that people are like, I wish that you had covered it,
- 1:10:29but I don't really want to like go through it with you. You
- 1:10:32know, it's got some like kind of problematic like again, it's one of
- 1:10:41those things like in terms of like portrayal of women at certain moments where you
- 1:10:45know, one might say that quote unquote for its time, it was good,
- 1:10:51but you know he's he's an old white dude who uses some problematic trips
- 1:10:55in certain places. Sanderson's Cosmere is another are kind of like apt yeah,
- 1:11:02um comparison to um or like Cradle Like which which you're you're you're going for
- 1:11:08where where you know something that well, Cradle is not quite on the same
- 1:11:13scale, but you know it's a pretty like centered story. Yeah, but
- 1:11:18but yeah, just just something where it's like big and vast and interconnected and
- 1:11:24so you know, if you really appreciate and I haven't even gotten through all
- 1:11:29of Wheel of Time, uh yeah, Dresden is a good comparison. I
- 1:11:31haven't. I haven't read Wheel of Time, but just if if you like
- 1:11:35the whole aspect of one piece where it's like all these pieces are being set
- 1:11:40up over time, and like at some point, you know, there's there's
- 1:11:45this point where they start interlocking and you realize that there's this like grand plan
- 1:11:49for everything. Wheel of Time executes that from anybody who I've ever seen go
- 1:11:57through the whole series executes that really, well, how many books are there?
- 1:12:01A whale of times? Is that curiosity? And it's not done?
- 1:12:06Is it? Uh? Yeah, it is done? So oh it is?
- 1:12:11Oh okay, yeah, it was finished off by Brandon Sanderson. He
- 1:12:15did the last few books because Robert Jordan died, right, Okay, That's
- 1:12:18what I'm thinking of, was that he died without finishing and then Brando Sando
- 1:12:24finishing it is what has prompted so many people to say that he should just
- 1:12:27finish Game of Thrones as well, which that would be interesting, but I
- 1:12:31don't really want to see that, thank you very much. That would be
- 1:12:34a it would be very hard for Brandon Sanderson to emulate, for better or
- 1:12:42for worse, you know, the stylistic agree. He doesn't get his hands
- 1:12:47that kind of dirty usually. Um Anyway, Sorry, guys, Sidetrack,
- 1:12:53I just was, like, you know, interested in that comparison because it's
- 1:12:56not something that I'm familiar with. But yeah, so okay. So he
- 1:13:00punches Ace, and Ace is crumpled up in the debris, and he says,
- 1:13:06against a world of devil fruit users who are overconfident in their abilities,
- 1:13:13I've obtained a means of attack that cannot be defended against which I'm not entirely
- 1:13:18sure it is true, like somebody with a powerful devil fruit being over confident
- 1:13:25about Yeah, it almost sounds like that, sir. Can I get just
- 1:13:32a morsel of self awareness please? So yeah, as he is saying,
- 1:13:40like, you can't defend against me, he begins pulling Ace toward him.
- 1:13:46Ace uses Saint Elmo's fire, and he does get contact with Ace and like
- 1:13:55punches him, but the fire sort of hits at the same time, and
- 1:14:00y'all, it's a couple of nipple spears. This is straight up hilarious.
- 1:14:13I'm so sorry, but oh my god, he backs up and they're sticking
- 1:14:17straight out of his chest, like going in opposite directions, and it's just
- 1:14:21nipple, just straight on, y'all. This is I'm looking at it right
- 1:14:29now. My god, it is so funny. There's no women in the
- 1:14:34scene. He's got to have some kind of outlet. Just oh man,
- 1:14:44so Ace like while this dude is coping because it hurts quite a bit,
- 1:14:49as it would just for a normal person, but for him it's extra,
- 1:14:55which is really saying something because and he burns. I mean, that's like
- 1:14:59the worst pain. Burns are truly unforgiving. What am I looking for?
- 1:15:05Merciless, That's what I want. But then Ace does another he does crossfire,
- 1:15:14and he does it with like putting his fingers in a sort of cross
- 1:15:16like you would do to ward off the devil or something, and it projects
- 1:15:21that exact shape onto Blackbeard's chest. And I'm thinking, like, this seems
- 1:15:28like a real bad deal. For Blackbeard. But the camera sort of zooms
- 1:15:32in on Blackbeard's face and he's smiling and doesn't seem that concerned despite the fact
- 1:15:40that the fire lances to his titties definitely had an effect. He just doesn't
- 1:15:45really. He seems to have gotten control of himself by that moment, and
- 1:15:54I don't know if it's just that he's able to stop it, because it
- 1:16:00jumps to the townspeople watching the fight again, and it jumps to black beards
- 1:16:06cohorts sort of the energy from them is just we're just waiting for him to
- 1:16:12wrap things up so that we can keep doing our thing, you know,
- 1:16:17And then it jumps back and we just see like Ace collapsed on the ground,
- 1:16:25but he is like the shot that he sent doesn't seem to have done
- 1:16:33anything, but we don't exactly see black Beard block it because it had already
- 1:16:40hit his chest. I thought, so, I'm not entirely sure what has
- 1:16:47happened there. But did Blackbeard like just absorb the fire. I don't remember
- 1:16:54that part super specifically. Is that something that he can do like it?
- 1:17:00It would make sense to me that, you know, if he does like
- 1:17:05the black vortex thing like at the right time, and he knows where it's
- 1:17:10coming from, he might be able to absorb it. You know, presumably
- 1:17:13fire would also get sucked into the black hole. But I don't remember exactly
- 1:17:18what it looks like in the episode, because this this is my question.
- 1:17:23You know, I said earlier about how he doesn't use Ace's power against him
- 1:17:28because he sucks the power out while he's touching Ace. But then when a
- 1:17:34shoots fire at him, he says, like, I just absorbed the power.
- 1:17:40I assume I keep using that word. I had thought that because he
- 1:17:47you know, pulls the whole town in but then has to expel it again,
- 1:17:54that if he pulled in fire, he would have to expel the fire
- 1:17:59also, and that we would kind of see him use Ace's power against him.
- 1:18:02But we don't see that, So I guess it just dissipates if he
- 1:18:10absorbs it. I suppose. Um. Interesting, Yeah, yeah, I
- 1:18:17should mention too. Here there's like a few close ups of his face,
- 1:18:21and Blackbeard looks like evil loose up. He's got he's got a long hair,
- 1:18:30he's got the or the long curly hair. He's got the long nose.
- 1:18:33He's got a much more prominent chin, for sure, but he has
- 1:18:39the same really wide mouth and the extremely round eyes. Um so yeah,
- 1:18:46it just was like very uncomfortable. I was like, oh my god,
- 1:18:48we're seeing what oos up could have become. Um o's up with a devil
- 1:18:55fruit. I wonder if I'll ever get one. I don't know if that's
- 1:18:58the kind of show this is like do people. I know everybody has like
- 1:19:02leveled up in their overall abilities, but would we take a complete left turn
- 1:19:09and wind up with people who have devil fruits after some time? I know
- 1:19:15you can't tell me. Yeah, I know, it's it's it's it's interesting.
- 1:19:18The possibility is always there, and you know, we assume that every
- 1:19:24member will continue to get stronger in their own way. So right, Oh,
- 1:19:30Gabriella says, if there's no oxygen in the black hole, maybe the
- 1:19:33fire gets extinguished. I like it. I don't know if that's like something
- 1:19:39that will hold up when he fights other people, but for now I accept
- 1:19:43this answer. Yeah. Yeah, So this is when he's about to like
- 1:19:51really start something up, and Ace in response uses flame commandment and then flame
- 1:20:00Emperor. Flame commandment seems to sort of make a circle of fire around him.
- 1:20:06I don't know, that it's important to remember the attacks, but just
- 1:20:10for the sake of it. And then Flame Emperor is like a sphere of
- 1:20:15fire, which black Beard compares to the sun, which makes sense, and
- 1:20:20I didn't put that together, so I felt a bit like a Dodo.
- 1:20:25And he says I'm gonna make white Beard the king, and he's just grinning
- 1:20:30the way he do. We see him coming at Blackbeard and we get a
- 1:20:36really nice classic anime style animation. I really enjoyed this, you guys.
- 1:20:45They're each like coming at each other with the smoke drifting out behind or the
- 1:20:48flam it's I love it. This is exactly what I want. And then
- 1:20:56we get the clash and the camera backs up to outside the island and it's
- 1:21:01a huge fireball and a huge like wall of smoke with an exact line between
- 1:21:09them, and honestly it's quite cool looking, like this would make a really
- 1:21:15good desktop picture for a computer. Um, but I couldn't help it feel
- 1:21:21bad again for the people I live on this island, Like right, it
- 1:21:29just seems like as just trying to help at what cost. I don't know,
- 1:21:35man, I don't know if this is gonna do what you need.
- 1:21:40And then we get the narrator, you guys, Oh my god. Whenever
- 1:21:45the narrator shows up, there's a there's a decisive battle of Bonnaro Island.
- 1:21:54Uh sorry, I'm trying to make sure I can read it fast enough,
- 1:21:57because the subs go really quick for this, even though he speaks pretty slowly
- 1:22:03in the dub. I feel like, oh right, and we see Ace's
- 1:22:08hat once again, like floating bad news. I get very anxious whenever our
- 1:22:13characters don't have their little hats. Okay, so I click remind, but
- 1:22:18it reminds a full ten seconds, which feels like an eternity. Yeah.
- 1:22:24Here it is the decisive battle of Banneroe Island on the Grand Line. The
- 1:22:30fight between these two pirates will be described as the trigger for a massive incident
- 1:22:38that is soon to take place smashed to be continued. That's a big promise.
- 1:22:51Yeah, I wonder how long it will take to get to that.
- 1:22:58Yeah, you know, the show says will soon to take place. I
- 1:23:03don't know what you mean by soon, but I have to guess it's not
- 1:23:08what I mean when I say soon. And I genuinely don't know what this
- 1:23:15kind of like because Ace and Blackbeard, you know, they're both powerful,
- 1:23:19and they're both connected to white Beard, who has quite a bit of power
- 1:23:27as well connected you know, black Beard insomuch as he is being sought by
- 1:23:32white Beard but doesn't work for him anymore, I guess. And I am
- 1:23:38really curious looking back how much I'm going to really think that this is the
- 1:23:44trigger of whatever it is that's being described. How like key this moment was,
- 1:23:53because I'm trying to think what massive incident the two of them. I
- 1:23:59mean, they're like, are they going to just burn this whole island to
- 1:24:01the ground? Like is that right? How big is a big incident?
- 1:24:05Yeah? I don't think you're supposed to have any context other than knowing that
- 1:24:10white Beard, who is one of the four Emperors, which is one of
- 1:24:13kind of like the balance of power, you know, chess pieces in the
- 1:24:15world, Um, you know, has has a connection to both of these
- 1:24:20characters. Well, I hope that Ace tries to be as responsible as possible,
- 1:24:30but it feels like he has sort of let himself get provoked. Yeah,
- 1:24:35that's all I'm saying. I feel like he is. So he says,
- 1:24:40I'm I want white Beard to be king, and I'm I don't even
- 1:24:45know what that means? What? Oh okay, so like what Lufy is
- 1:24:51attempting to achieve? Ace, You're not even going to like work for your
- 1:24:59brother to become king, that's complet Yeah, I don't know. White Beard
- 1:25:04must have earned his respect in some way or another. M curious. Well,
- 1:25:14and I'm going to assume black Beard doesn't get killed? Well why would
- 1:25:16I assume that? I don't? I keep saying that. I keep saying,
- 1:25:19assume, Yo, what am I going to learn my fucking lesson?
- 1:25:24That's not like that just doesn't ever pay off. But that's like what you're
- 1:25:30saying. It's like, you know, we never one, we never really
- 1:25:32see characters die in the present. Yeah too. You know, we certainly
- 1:25:40don't have any significant offscreen depths. So yeah, you know, neither of
- 1:25:47these characters being dead right here, right now is a fairly healthy assumption.
- 1:25:54I really hope that what I was sort of worried about was that we would
- 1:26:00fucking see Blackbeard get to completely remove Ace's powers by the absorption. I was
- 1:26:10just really relieved to hear that. It seems as if it only lasts as
- 1:26:13long as he's touching you, but then he lets go, and your powers
- 1:26:16are back. But I had been sort of worried, like, has he
- 1:26:20ever been able to touch somebody long enough that it doesn't come back? That
- 1:26:24he just like absorbs at all. And if so, I would hate for
- 1:26:29Ace to be the first person that he manages to do that too. I
- 1:26:33don't that would just be real unfortunate. But that's not a thing there.
- 1:26:39There are also, you know, character arcs and other series I've read where
- 1:26:44it's just like a character with a really big power, you know, like
- 1:26:45gets it taken away or something, and then that like starts a new kind
- 1:26:48of journey of you know, taking their own you know, strength, not
- 1:26:54relying as much on their powers and having to come into their own to that
- 1:26:57too. You know. Yeah, that could know, at some point pay
- 1:27:00off in an interesting direction. Also, I'm not saying it couldn't, but
- 1:27:05I don't want it. Yeah, yeah, I don't want that for Ace.
- 1:27:10That's one of those things where every time that it's like, oh,
- 1:27:12and now we're going to build their character and get that I don't. I
- 1:27:15don't want that. I don't want to say port Jamie Lanister, you know,
- 1:27:19like give him this damn hand back. He's a better person now,
- 1:27:24I you know, sure, but also, oh this sucks. I think
- 1:27:29that it's because I enjoy people being competent so much. But if you just
- 1:27:34like take away something that really gave me pleasure to watch them be really good
- 1:27:39at and I have to watch them being bad at ship for a while,
- 1:27:43that makes a better story, of course it does. It's just you know,
- 1:27:47but I'm a baby who wants immediate gratification. And yeah, and One
- 1:27:54Piece is definitely a series where like it has its emotional moments, but sometimes
- 1:27:57you just want to see some cool shit. You know, It's true very
- 1:28:00much, so that is really true. Look, this is why fucking Marvel
- 1:28:06movies are so successful, you know, Like, yeah, we all appreciate
- 1:28:11high art and really deep storylines and everything, but sometimes you just want to
- 1:28:15watch somebody beat a Nazi into fucking tomato sauce. And that's fine too.
- 1:28:21That's why we're here. Um, is there anything you want to say as
- 1:28:26to wrap this episode episode, Anything that we didn't talk about that you really
- 1:28:29wanted to mention moments that you love. I think, yeah, we were
- 1:28:33pretty comprehensive. I think all right, well, I really appreciate you joining
- 1:28:40me. It was delightful to have you Yeah, this is great, and
- 1:28:43thank you Gabriella for for getting him into it. Yeah see you see a
- 1:28:47girl appreciate you. All right, everybody, well, thanks for joining us.
- 1:28:53And uh, I'm really I really don't know where we're going from here,
- 1:28:58so I'm excited. It feels like we're really turning a corner, you
- 1:29:00know what I mean? New ship who dis Yeah, all right to Loo,
- 1:29:09motherfuckers. That was an Unspoiled Network podcast