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Birds Weekly: Derrick Gunn, Barrett Brooks Examine Pros, Cons To Philadelphia Eagles Getting 3 Seed · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Everybody.
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  Speaker 2: We are locked and loaded for the season ending finale
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  Speaker 2: edition of Birds Weekly, presented by the Inside of the
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  Speaker 2: Birds Network. My man, we go way back. We go
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  Speaker 2: way back to oh maybe what two three years ago?
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  Speaker 2: Now we go way back, my man. Barrett Brooks is
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  Speaker 2: in for Ray Didninger. I'm Derek Gunn b Brooks. We
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  Speaker 2: haven't chatting it up in a while. Man, how you been.
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  Speaker 3: Oh man, it's been good. It's been good.
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  Speaker 4: Man.
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  Speaker 3: I tell you what. Man, I miss you, Man, I
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  Speaker 3: miss you being on the show. Man.
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  Speaker 1: I miss you.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 5: You're breaking stories all the time. You know, I'm just
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  Speaker 5: trying to hang on man, trying to keep my.
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  Speaker 3: Face on TV.
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  Speaker 5: Man, you stay breaking something that's stop. That's just you.
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  Speaker 5: You know, you know how to make it happen.
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to learn. I'm trying to learn.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you learn your lesson?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I watch you. I check you out. I'm always
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm always watching you. You learn your lesson?
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  Speaker 1: Well? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Hey, look man, regular season finale, and you know what
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  Speaker 2: the big story is. I know you guys talked about
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  Speaker 2: it on your post game show on NBC Sports Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 2: We talked about it on on our postgame show with
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  Speaker 2: me and Seth joining Mark Farsetta. The two seed was
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  Speaker 2: still out there, very much in the balance. As luck
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  Speaker 2: would have it, Detroit beat the Chicago Bears. Nick Sirianni
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  Speaker 2: decides to stay with his subs and lo and behold,
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  Speaker 2: we saw what happened. Now going into that game, what
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  Speaker 2: was your mindset in terms of Nick Sirianni deciding not
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  Speaker 2: to play as regulars.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I'm an old school guy.
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  Speaker 5: I think that you need to you need to go
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  Speaker 5: into the season hot, and I wanted them to play.
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  Speaker 5: And then I heard Nick say what he said, and
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  Speaker 5: then I started thinking about it. And because I spent
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  Speaker 5: a little time with those guys, the guys are front,
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  Speaker 5: you know, Jordan Mylotta, seeing Cam Jurgens and seeing you know,
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  Speaker 5: Lanna Dickerson, and I was like, I see why he's
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  Speaker 5: doing it. I understand why he's doing it because I'm
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  Speaker 5: privy to those guys and I see him. I saw
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  Speaker 5: him at a Chicken Peeks. I saw him, you know,
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  Speaker 5: and you know, just out and about.
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  Speaker 3: They are the walking wounded, you know.
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  Speaker 5: Even though Jordan my Loot is not on the injury report,
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  Speaker 5: he is held together by duct tape and bubble gum.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, there's not much that you know, you know,
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  Speaker 5: that keeping him from being in that in that in
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  Speaker 5: that blue tin. So he didn't you know, he been
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  Speaker 5: doing the yeoman's job, going out there fighting every single play.
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  Speaker 5: But Jordan Allott is, you know, the walking wounded. We
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  Speaker 5: all know Lander Dickerson his knee and his ankle. You know,
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  Speaker 5: he needs to get healthy also. And and Cam Jurgens
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  Speaker 5: he's probably had a bad season because he just doesn't
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  Speaker 5: have a back. I mean to put it playing and
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  Speaker 5: on us his back is is is you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: it seemed like they just took some took some thread
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  Speaker 5: and just sold it together.
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  Speaker 3: Man, because he's trying.
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  Speaker 5: Man, he's trying man, you know, he's he's and it's
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  Speaker 5: hard for him to redirect because his body's in health
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  Speaker 5: and health. So when he said rest and I thought
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  Speaker 5: about seeing those guys and talking to those guys, I
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  Speaker 5: see why the coach did it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I understand you know, wanting to get that
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  Speaker 3: second seed. Understand it.
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  Speaker 5: You can go in and and and the possibility if
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  Speaker 5: somebody beating the you know, the the Seattle Seahawks. You
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  Speaker 5: were in the driver's seat to.
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  Speaker 3: Have all your games at home going into the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 5: So I get it. I definitely get it. But then
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  Speaker 5: I looked at it from another vantage point. What team
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  Speaker 5: do you fear in the NFC? I said no, So
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  Speaker 5: to me, it really didn't make a different.
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  Speaker 3: School they played or where they played.
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  Speaker 5: I think the running game will travel and because these
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  Speaker 5: guys are healthier. This is the reason why I think
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  Speaker 5: that running game will be a lot better because the
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  Speaker 5: health of this offensive line, and plus when you add
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  Speaker 5: that one plus one with the quarterback, I think health
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  Speaker 5: was the best thing that they could have. Dou Jaalen
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  Speaker 5: got through the season without missing the game. He's healthy
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  Speaker 5: off the line should be healthy coming back. They get
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  Speaker 5: laying back for the first time in about what six weeks?
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  Speaker 3: Seven weeks? This is what I'm thinking.
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  Speaker 5: You know, everything's coming together to start functioning as an
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  Speaker 5: offensive unit that can go out and play and score
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  Speaker 5: more than ten points a game.
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  Speaker 1: Here was my mindset going in.
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  Speaker 2: I'm thinking, at least play the starters the first half,
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  Speaker 2: because I honestly feel if you look at the way
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  Speaker 2: that the backups played against Washington, if Washington had to
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  Speaker 2: fight tooth and nail just to get that win, I
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  Speaker 2: think if the regulars that played the first thirty minutes,
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  Speaker 2: they would have built a double digit lead, and then
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  Speaker 2: you pull them and let them close to the finish line,
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  Speaker 2: and then low and behold was sitting here with the
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  Speaker 2: two seed. I understand the value and the importance of
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  Speaker 2: the rest. I'm not against that one ioda. I Am
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  Speaker 2: not going to sit here and crushing Nick Sirianni for
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  Speaker 2: making that decision as well. But we saw what happened
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  Speaker 2: a season ago. They were the two seed. Everybody thought
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  Speaker 2: super Bowl went through Detroit. Detroit was decimated at the
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  Speaker 2: end of the year, and Washington blew him up, and
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the super Bowl comes through Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 2: So I thought that would have been a similar scenario,
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  Speaker 2: and Lloyd behole Detroit pulls it out. But the problem
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  Speaker 2: I had, more so than anything when the game unfolded,
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  Speaker 2: was you let DeVonta Smith go out there to play
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  Speaker 2: nine snaps to get his one thousand yards, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and he ran safe routes. Okay, I get it, because
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  Speaker 2: they were giving him a lot of cushion, But still,
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  Speaker 2: what if Washington had to decide to take a cheap
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  Speaker 2: shot on him. They were still you know, we remember
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  Speaker 2: what they did last time with the two point conversion
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  Speaker 2: mentality all that stuff. You know, that was a little
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  Speaker 2: risk factor, but you got him in, you got him out,
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  Speaker 2: you got him over the thousand low and behol. I
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  Speaker 2: just don't understand the inconsistency in the ideology between you know,
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  Speaker 2: Nick Sirianni and I'm assuming Jeffrey Loury and Howie Roseman.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure they had to say so on this as well.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but let me tell you this, it's a different
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  Speaker 5: scenario than what you saw with Saquon last year. Let
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  Speaker 5: me put that out there, because you know, in order
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  Speaker 5: for Saquan to get his you know, break the record,
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  Speaker 5: he didn't like one hundred and some yard one hundred
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  Speaker 5: and five yards to win the rushing title and be
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  Speaker 5: the number one, you know rusher in one season.
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  Speaker 3: I understand that.
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  Speaker 5: But in order to do that, you could probably go
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  Speaker 5: into the third quarter and uh, you have to play everybody.
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  Speaker 3: You got to play all your starters if he's in
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  Speaker 3: the game.
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  Speaker 1: You know that.
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  Speaker 5: And it's a different from a receiver where you know
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  Speaker 5: you're running your routes and you know they're gonna try
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  Speaker 5: to force the ball to you. So I thought that
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  Speaker 5: was different. I really truly believe that. You know, Nick
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  Speaker 5: wanted the two thousand yard receivers. They wanted him to
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  Speaker 5: get you know, a thousand yards again, you know, for
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  Speaker 5: his career. Uh, you know, this would be the second time.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, I didn't really feel any type of
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  Speaker 5: way if they did or they did, I didn't feel
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  Speaker 5: any type of way. You know, he said at the game.
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  Speaker 5: You know that they talked about it and they didn't
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  Speaker 5: mind it. But I I just know that even if
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  Speaker 5: he didn't go out there and get in, I thought
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  Speaker 5: it was the same rot to get those guys. And
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  Speaker 5: and I listened to you and I Seth, and I
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  Speaker 5: was thinking along the same lines, because I think you
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  Speaker 5: need a little bit going into the playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: You know, some some consistenty going to the playoffs.
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  Speaker 5: Some you know, and and those guys didn't play well
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  Speaker 5: enough to really get a break to go into the playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I see that also.
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  Speaker 5: But when I see the rash of injuries these guys
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  Speaker 5: have had and they sustained this entire year, especially the
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  Speaker 5: office of line who hasn't played well because of that,
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  Speaker 5: I was good with it, and I really didn't you know,
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  Speaker 5: I really wasn't mad that they did it, you know,
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  Speaker 5: and and I was, but I was also able to
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  Speaker 5: internalize them not being the second seed because I knew,
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  Speaker 5: I kind of knew that Campbell coach Campbell was gonna
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  Speaker 5: go in, you know, my former teammate, you know, he
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  Speaker 5: was gonna go in, and he was gonna give those
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  Speaker 5: guys a little more juice than they were gonna win
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  Speaker 5: the game. I truly thought they were gonna beat beat
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  Speaker 5: the Bears, anyways, I did. I truly thought they were
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  Speaker 5: gonna beat them. And and you know, in my heart, I
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  Speaker 5: knew they were gonna beat them, But I just didn't
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  Speaker 5: think that you can guarantee rest all what they say.
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  Speaker 5: You can guarantee rest, but you can't guarantee the second seed.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't even care about that. I didn't care about that.
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  Speaker 5: I just wanted these guys to go into the playoffs
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  Speaker 5: because I didn't think that there was a dominant team
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  Speaker 5: in the NFC that could stop this roster. I just
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  Speaker 5: think they have the best roster football still. And the
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  Speaker 5: lack of discipline early in the season, I mean later
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  Speaker 5: in the season, and the lack of health really made
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  Speaker 5: them and put them in a position where they weren't
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  Speaker 5: playing well enough, you know, so now that they're going
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  Speaker 5: to be healthier, now they're getting key components back they've
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  Speaker 5: already gotten, you know, Jalen carter back. This could be
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  Speaker 5: some serious, serious, big time football going to this playoffs
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  Speaker 5: and then you know it's winter, go home.
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  Speaker 3: I think they're not gonna be home for a while.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, let's hit. Let's hit Tanna McKey. I think
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  Speaker 2: we can put the rest all this chatter about, right.
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  Speaker 2: Let Tanner McKey play play more and more. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: not bashing Tanner. I mean the games only played a
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  Speaker 2: couple of games in his pro career, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: even though he's out there playing with backups, he's not
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  Speaker 2: even playing with the front line players. He's playing with backup.
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  Speaker 2: That's huge, you know in terms of continuity, consistency, rhythm,
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  Speaker 2: so on and so forth. But you looked at some
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  Speaker 2: of the individual things he did. There was an opportunity
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  Speaker 2: to step up and run and pick him at first down,
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  Speaker 2: he throws the ball, you know, there was one play
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  Speaker 2: where he threw to the sideline on a fourth down situation,
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  Speaker 2: over overthrew, over overthrow grandson, you know, on that particular
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  Speaker 2: and could have kept that drive alive as well. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: the inexperience showed that reared his ugly head. And again
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  Speaker 2: I go back to he wasn't playing with front line players.
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  Speaker 2: He was playing with guys that were just mixing and
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  Speaker 2: matching and just trying to get to a game unscathed.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: But Tantamackee is nowhere near the talent level of adjailent Hurts.
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  Speaker 2: And that's that's and I'm not comparing them, but you
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  Speaker 2: look at just the skills set alone, there's no comparison
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  Speaker 2: whatsoever right now. I mean, Tanner, Tanner run like you
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  Speaker 2: wearing send the blocks, man. I mean he tried to
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: take off and run. I think he took like twenty
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  Speaker 2: steps in one spot at one point.
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  Speaker 1: You know. But again, I'm not bashing tep people that
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  Speaker 1: the gun your bashing. Tell no, I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just telling you put this to rest about Tanner McKee.
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  Speaker 2: He is what he is right now. He's a young
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  Speaker 2: developing quarterback who lacks experience playing.
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  Speaker 5: And simple yeah, he kind of he kind of threw
• 10:25
  Speaker 5: a wrenching and uh, all these reports that he might
• 10:28
  Speaker 5: get a second rounder or a third rounder for him,
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  Speaker 5: you know, he's a starting quarter I mean, I get it.
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  Speaker 5: You know, he has all the intangible he has, He
• 10:37
  Speaker 5: has the tangible tools to look like a great quarterback.
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  Speaker 5: He's six foot six, two hundred and thirty pounds. But
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  Speaker 5: the life experience that he's had during this what three
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  Speaker 5: years here is is something that reared his head, you know.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm not gonna say it's an ugly head, but
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  Speaker 5: it reared his head because he just doesn't have the experience.
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  Speaker 5: And he's playing against their starting defense, yep. And not
• 10:57
  Speaker 5: to say that their defense is any you know that
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  Speaker 5: the you know standouts, you know what I'm saying, but
• 11:01
  Speaker 5: I mean they are an NFL defense. Their NFL starters.
• 11:05
  Speaker 5: Wags is one of the best linebackers in the league.
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  Speaker 5: You know, he's he's old, but he had over like
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  Speaker 5: over one hundred and forty hundred fifty tackles this year
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  Speaker 5: and he played pretty good this last game. Frankie Louv,
• 11:16
  Speaker 5: the hated Frankie Louv. You know, he was running around
• 11:18
  Speaker 5: there trying to make sure they didn't win. But I
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  Speaker 5: thought that he played okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just okay.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't have to say. Man, look at his numbers.
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  Speaker 5: His numbers what was he you know, like for forty two,
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  Speaker 5: he was twenty one for forty or something some crazy
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  Speaker 5: you know, But why is he throwing the ball that much?
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: Anyway?
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  Speaker 5: Why is he handed the ball off to his running back,
• 11:38
  Speaker 5: you know, who was averaging six yards of you know,
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  Speaker 5: a carry in the first half, and then all of
• 11:44
  Speaker 5: a sudden he didn't go with this, you know, not
• 11:46
  Speaker 5: running the ball consistently in the second half.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean those are the type of things.
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  Speaker 5: That type of decisions make me look at KP Keevip Batula,
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  Speaker 5: Off's coordinator like, I don't care, you know what what's
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  Speaker 5: going on. You still gotta have a running game, and
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  Speaker 5: you know, you got to put in thirteen person that
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  Speaker 5: won't run back, three tight ends to whatever, just forced
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  Speaker 5: them out of what they're doing.
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  Speaker 3: You got to do it.
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  Speaker 5: But you just can't put all that on a young quarterback.
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  Speaker 5: I think he especially with the weapons that he had.
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  Speaker 2: You know, seventeen games into this season, I still don't
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: know what to make of Nick Sirianni and Kevin Batula.
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: Now we've heard Sirianni say he was going to have
• 12:25
  Speaker 2: more input into the offensive structure. He said that weeks ago.
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  Speaker 2: I hope he didn't. And then this past week leading
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  Speaker 2: up to this game, he was at the podium when
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  Speaker 2: he says something along the lines of, you know, well,
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: if Kevin calls a certain player, I'll go, I'm gonna
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: change that play. So therefore he has more input. But
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: what I saw on that field you just alluded to
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  Speaker 2: on Sunday, Why are you throwing the football forty times?
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: When you got to back tank Bigsby cracking, washing us
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  Speaker 2: back six yards of carry finished four point seven yards
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  Speaker 2: of carr.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't even run the ball of second half.
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  Speaker 2: We got this kid running around, throwing and washing us,
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  Speaker 2: blenching him and go and run him all over the field.
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  Speaker 1: What are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this has been like a proverbial roller coaster
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  Speaker 2: the entire season. Nobody can figure out what the mindset is.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, Baron, I've always said and you said
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  Speaker 2: this too. By the fourth, at the most fifth game
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: of a season, you can determine what an offense and
• 13:23
  Speaker 2: defense's identity is. We're week eighteen, seventeen game season. I
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: don't know what the heck is the identity of this
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: offense is, because nothing they do makes sense when it
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: comes to down in distance.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I'm gonna tell you what the gun. You do know,
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  Speaker 5: you absolutely know what this team is.
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  Speaker 3: What is it? An inconsistent team.
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  Speaker 5: That if they don't play discipline, they can get blown out.
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  Speaker 5: If they do play discipline, they could beat anybody in
• 13:55
  Speaker 5: the nation. They could beat any team in the NFC
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  Speaker 5: and AFC team if if all they need to do
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  Speaker 5: is because a consistent team that doesn't make mistakes, they
• 14:06
  Speaker 5: make too many mistakes. If they can run the ball
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  Speaker 5: successfully without penalties and keep the chains moving, they three
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  Speaker 5: and out too much.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what they lack.
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  Speaker 5: They lack discipline, And I've been saying it for the
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  Speaker 5: past fifteen weeks. They lack discipline, discipline and understanding that
• 14:24
  Speaker 5: you can't abandon the run.
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  Speaker 3: You've got to run the ball.
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  Speaker 5: But you can't run the ball when you're at third
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  Speaker 5: and ten, third, twelve, third and eight. There's only a
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  Speaker 5: few amount of plays with those there, third and ten,
• 14:35
  Speaker 5: third to eight all it's a few plays. But when
• 14:38
  Speaker 5: you're third and short, third and manageable, the playbook is
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  Speaker 5: like this. So they don't play consistently enough to really
• 14:47
  Speaker 5: be a factor on the office side of the ball.
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  Speaker 3: You can't score if you're not on the field.
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  Speaker 5: So this is the time where they need to and
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  Speaker 5: I think a lot of the no, I know, a
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: lot of the fault goes in with that offensive.
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  Speaker 3: Line playing the way they've been playing. I'll tell you what.
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna be real, like Cam Dragon was getting
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: his ass kick this year. Oh, no question, malatta. Because
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: they're mean and they're playing hurt.
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  Speaker 5: Now that I see are they're going to do some
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  Speaker 5: self evaluation, self corrections go in.
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  Speaker 3: They play disciplined football, and they're healthier going into this game.
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  Speaker 5: I'm telling you what, and I'm saying this, and you
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  Speaker 5: could tell whoever you want to tell.
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  Speaker 3: It could be a blowout. They can blow the forty
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  Speaker 3: nine ers out. But all they have to do is
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: play consistent.
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: Because they're starting two rookie two rookie cornerbacks out there,
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: two rookie cornerbacks. They don't have Warner out there, one
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: of the best linebackers in the NFL. He's on ir
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: They say he might play, but now they've already said
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: they already cut it through. He's not playing. When you
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: don't have Bosa out there, you know what I mean.
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: They Bosa was a game changer and they beat them
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: with Bosa. Now they have average guys out there. This
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: should be a d defense that they do whatever they.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: Choose to do.
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: If they want to throw the ball fifty times a game,
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: the score should be thirty eight to whatever.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: If they want to run the ball every play, it
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: could still be twenty eight to thirteen.
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: They just need to play consistent discipline football, and they
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: lack discipline a lot during the game, so that's why
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: it looks so bad. The discipline is there, and that's
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: why they're three and out on the officer side of
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: the ball. I tell people they want these big bruns,
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: these twenty yard runs, these forty yard runs.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: These sixty yard runs. That's good football for you know,
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: saying the fans everything, but consistent football is three yards,
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: four yards, five yards. That's a first.
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: Down, running and grinding on a team, forcing the defense
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: say all right, we got to put eight men in
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: the box and we still run it on them and
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: get first downs. When you do that, that's the worst
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: thing you can do to a defense. It's run the
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: ball and they can't stop it because now you're dictating Temple.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: Now you're doing what you want to do.
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: You're keeping that offense, that explosive Shanahan offense off the field,
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: Rock Purty one of the better guys off the field.
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: You know, and and and and you're dictating what you
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: want to do. Now you put your defense in a
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: better position school Now they can get three and out.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: Now they feel fresh, they can go out there and
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: manhandle that officer line. Yes, they're getting there. They're all
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: world Williams back and left tackle. But I like New
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: Orleans Smith against him. I like his you know, speed
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: and the athleticism. He's kind of lost a step, so
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: he can use that speed and aggressiveness. But I tell
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: you what Haunt on the other side, he is going
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: to make that tackle.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: Look the word.
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: He might have two or three sacks this next game.
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: He could be that much of an impact. And Jalen Carter,
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: he's he's still mad at everybody just wrote them off.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: He's still very much angry that. You know, you guys
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: were talking trash about him.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: So let me saying you guys, Okay, Ustin's Houston's whatever.
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: Want to as they say in Pittsburgh, you in Philadelphia,
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: youwans yeah, you ins the city of Philadelphia talk of
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: trash about him. He's ready and willing to go out
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: there and crack some heads. So I can't wait to
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: see this game. I just think we have the number
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: one roster in the NFL. Is just about having discipline
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: enough to use it on the officer side of the ball.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but Barrett, I don't trust the structure of this offense.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Prime example, you have a thirty one and a fourth
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: and one at Washington's nine yard line. You got mckith
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: rolling out to the right, throwing passes. Oh my god,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: a thirty one and a fourth and one inside the
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: ten yard line. You have a six to six quarterback,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: he can't dive it. You have a two hundred and
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: forty seven pound running back in aj Dillon, he can't
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: dive it. And then you have the tank who's breaking
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: people's backs, breaking tackles left, he couldn't pick up a yard,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: and your two back to back players of rollouts to
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: the right. You know, everything you said makes a lot
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: of sense about how they could dominate this forty nine ers.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: I don't trust these guys calling the plage, honestly, don't.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: I think I think it could boil down to Nick
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Sirianni slash Kevin Patullo will find a way to keep
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: San Francisco in this game.
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: I like that find he would They will find a
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: way to keep you know, Shanahan in the game.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: And he's a master, He's a master man. He's a
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: master of creating matchups.
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: And right now, I think the best matchup that he's
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: gonna definitely take advantage of is Dory Jackson. He I
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: mean not to say playing well, but he's gonna find
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: a way to get Juwan Jennings on him, Ricky Piarsoon
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: on him.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: He's gonna find a way to get those guys against him.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: And you know, they've gotta they gotta cover from somehow,
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: you know, because I really see why Dorri Jackson has
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: to play what eye witness in the second, I see
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: why Bennett hasn't played. I see why, you know the
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: rest of those corners McGill, whoever they big.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Williams, Oh my goodness, Keeley Ringo, Oh my good man.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you something. If I were these guys,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: I call him agent and tell them to start updating
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: my resume, uh and maybe find a new new line
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: of work, man, Because if there's a weak link, I
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: think that D line is the equals D line is
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: talented deep and rotation is excellent. I think the linebacking
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: corps is talented deep and if Nikobe Dean comes back.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: If he doesn't come back, that's gonna be huge in
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: terms of forty nine is trying to establish to run.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: But the back end of that defense, bro, if one
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: of those starters goes down, what just one one of
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: the starters goes down, that back end of that defense
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: gonna get lit up like a fourth of July. Man,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you after watching that one play, ring Let's.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Talk about Ringo for a minute.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: How many pass interference and holding costs can you have
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: in one game?
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Number one?
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: But the most egregious play, just Johnson on a bootleg
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: rolls to the left. You see Kelley Ringo run up
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: to the to the goal line, stop and turn around
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: and run to the back of the end zone and
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: try to catch up with a guy who's being covered
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: by two different people. I'm like, what in the name
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: of vincet Lombardi is Kelley Ringo thinking Johnson walks in
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: for the touchdown?
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Those are the deciding points.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: You know, a year ago, Bart, we're all talking about
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Kelly's got promise and he's gonna be a start in
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: this league.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: You know what, he might not be in this league
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: in a year or two. All Right, I'm gonna defend him.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: You gonna defend Kelly?
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: What?
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: No, you're not? No, no, no.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: I can't. I can't. I was gonna try to, But
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: I don't lie de Gunzel. I gotta.
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: There's no way that he should have been looking at
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: his batters, and he was looking when he's this third
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: year in the NFL. Bennett should not look that bad.
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: And it's his third or fourth year in the NFL either, you.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Know how to come?
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: I thought, I actually thought that Bennette something was wrong
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: with him, like he couldn't learn the offensive defense or something,
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: and that's why they weren't playing them. He's legitly not
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: a good player, and Ringo is not legitly a good player.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: They're a good special now Ringo can play special change
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: because you go run.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Straight ahead right down the field.
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: Yes, I don't know what Bennett does good, So I mean,
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: and I hate talking about players like that because.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: It's tough. You know what I'm saying. You know, he's
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: one of them.
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: You know, he's making way more money than I am, right, now,
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: but it's still unchanged that. You know, you've got to
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: be able to play this game at a higher level
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: than that. There's no way that you can allow guys
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: to to run past you like that, or you hold
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: the entirety of the you know, at the five yards
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: you can't touch him, and yet they were holding them
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: by their waste, the entirety of the of the round.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: That was utterly ridiculous. You know. So I can make
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: no excuses for any one of those guys. I can.
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: I don't understand how they're in the league right now,
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: because I mean, you are what your last plays are,
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: and that's the way you're gonna be judged. They're gonna
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: go into the season next year season with that on
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: their resume. This is supposed to be a game where
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: you're interviewing for thirty one other teams, and that's what
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: you put out there. You had an opportunity to start
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: a game, and you put that work out there. That's
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: utterly disgusting that you know you've allowed that film out there.
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: I mean, come on now, I mean, I've never played
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: dB before, but I tell you what, I played the
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: game backwards. I played tackle and I am I'm backing
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: up blocking a guy that's running forward. Now the guy
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: who's running forward or at me, he outruns me. Like
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: I ran a four nine in college. This guy probably
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: runs a four to four and I'm backing up trying
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: to cover him.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: So there's no excuses. I got to get him for
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: he gets me.
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: I was trained to play tackle, Guarden center, you were
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: trained to play cornerback.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: How is it did you put that out there on
• 24:03
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• 24:06
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• 24:08
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• 24:11
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• 24:14
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  Speaker 2: In the immortal words of what Barrett Brooks, you got
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  Speaker 2: to be more careful.
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  Speaker 3: To be more careful, man, you got to be more
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: What are they saying on the sideline where they playing
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  Speaker 3: bro tied their hands behind their back?
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  Speaker 5: My god, I don't I don't care about you you're
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: not gonna pass down. I just don't want you to touch it.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Just don't touch it.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Hey, you you mentioned a guy a few minutes ago,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Jalx Hunt. Hey man, this young man ball. He broke
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: on that pass like a corner back.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: This is the dude paying playing the edge of playing linebacker.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: He broke and picked off a pass. And I'm thinking
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: he's been getting better and better all season, long.
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: Man, and it started last year last Yet the end
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: of the year, he says, I don't know what they
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: saw in him. I mean the man plays safety at
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: at Cornhill or something that. Yeah, he played safety and
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: didn't want to that. You know, Texas school down there
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: and play you know, got the devisit. And I knew
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: he was a he was a long player, you know,
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: because you know when I equate how he plays. Yeah,
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: he rushed the passer like a guy played against a
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: lot in my career.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: That's Simeon Rice. He plays long and explosive.
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: Semi was a hard guy to block because he never
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: lets you put your hands on him because he played
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: so long and he's playing the same way.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: He's got legitimate pass rushing. He leaves the team in
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: interceptions and in sacks.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: Yep, that's incredible from a young guy who's really trying
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: to turn it around out this could. He's gonna have
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: a great game this next game, and I'm looking forward
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: to seeing what this young man has to do in
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: the future.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: You know, another player, I don't know how much he's
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: gonna get on the field because of depth situation a linebacker,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: but ax Man Junior, Jeremiah trotter Man, he's blowing people up.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: What what like twelve tackles?
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Twelve?
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: He led the team with twelve tackles. Did you see
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: him blowing up people at the line of scrimmage. I'm
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: like Daddy taught him, well, yes.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: Sir, And you know what, I'm not worried about him
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: when he becomes a starter. You could put him in
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: at any time, and I have no qualms about him
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: being in there and going to making it happen. That's
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: why he was starting at the beginning of the year
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: before they you know, allow Campbell to be a starter.
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: So you know, you give him an inch, he's gonna
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: take a mile. He showed how good he is and
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: how good he could be going forward. I was definitely
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: proud of you know, the ax Man. You know Junior,
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: he played well man. And I remember seeing that kid
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: in practice, watching him and his brother practice.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: And his brother, you know, played at Missoo.
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: He actually declared for the NFL this year, but he
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: you know, he played phenomenal this year.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: I every time he's had an opportunity, he shined special teams,
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: he goes and shine.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: You give him an it, she's gonna take him off.
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: I'll tell guys, you got to be more careful because
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: he will Wally Pip you if you're not, you know,
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  Speaker 5: paying attention.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: And Wally Pipp is a guy you know good.
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: You know, he played baseball and and and and you
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: know his backup was Louke Garrett. So one day he said,
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: you know what, I don't feel like playing today, So
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  Speaker 5: he played sick.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Louke Garrett went in there and never stopped playing after that.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: So try to one of those guys. He'll Wally pipp you.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: You think that you you can go out there and
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: and and and and play sick one day, but try
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: to be on that field and make some guys, you know,
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: eyes get open and.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: Buck up like, oh okay, he can play. He can play, man.
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: He and he learned how to rush the pass it
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: and I think na Kobe gave him some some Russian
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: tips and he used them accordingly too.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: So he's gonna be a star player, man, when he
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: give an opportunity.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: What concerns you most about this team as they head
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: to the playoffs.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: Now, overall discipline. They're just not a disciplined team.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: Their their athleticism, their personnel are so good that it
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: hides the inefficiencies in their discipline.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: And that's a problem. Man.
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: They've got to play more disciplined football. They do stupid
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: stuff at the wrong times, and I look at him like,
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: why would you even think about that? I mean, they
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: have me scratching my head so many times because you
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  Speaker 5: don't You didn't have to do that.
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  Speaker 3: You didn't have to do that. You didn't have to
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  Speaker 3: do that.
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  Speaker 5: Just you know, play it against like come on now,
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  Speaker 5: like you know, covering up a you know, if a
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  Speaker 5: guy comes and checks saying hey, hey, hey, hey, I'm
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  Speaker 5: I'm eligible. I'm an office attackle I'm eligible, and he
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  Speaker 5: lines up there on the line of scrimmage and you're receiver,
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  Speaker 5: you know, you can't cover him up because he's eligible.
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  Speaker 3: Now he's a legal proceizure.
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  Speaker 5: Now the pass that goes to our tight end, Dallas
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  Speaker 5: Goddard is null and void because it's a flag.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, come on, that's undisciple play. You gotta be
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  Speaker 3: a better player than that.
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  Speaker 5: Or if you know you're there and you jump off sides,
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  Speaker 5: that flag took no talent to do.
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  Speaker 3: You jumped.
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  Speaker 5: Now put your team behind the sticks. If you are
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: a disciplined player, you just don't do that. And they
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: have too many times where undisciplined play is really put
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: him in back. Predictable, you can't stay on the field
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  Speaker 5: because you lack of discipline. That's I can see. If
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: a guy's whooping your tail in front of you, I'll
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: take that. I mean, sometimes guys are just better than you.
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  Speaker 5: But I cannot take a guy jumping off sides or
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  Speaker 5: legal motion penalty or you know.
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  Speaker 3: I can't take those.
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  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, because it don't matter what
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  Speaker 5: your coordinator calls or coach or whoever's gonna call. It
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  Speaker 5: doesn't matter what you call, because you're going to be
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  Speaker 5: behind the stick.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 5: It's third and ten, third and fifteen, third and ten,
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  Speaker 5: me third and eleven, and those are hard to come
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  Speaker 5: back from.
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  Speaker 3: So when you put yourself a bad situations, you can't.
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  Speaker 5: Stay on time. Run the ball consistently, don't get away
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  Speaker 5: from the run. But you can't do that. You can't
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: run the ball exsistant because you have too many pillars.
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: Now you're three and out. We got to keep that,
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: you know, we gotta keep it under wraps. You know,
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: run the ball. Three yards, four yards are good runs.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: It doesn't always have to be a house call. Stay,
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: keep your offense on the field and you'll be a
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: better team.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Well said my friend. All right, well, you know, good
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  Speaker 2: chatting with you as always. Oh in a belated Happy
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: New Year to you and your family.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, having new year to you and yours broke.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Thank you man.
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  Speaker 2: All right, that's going to wrap up this edition of
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Birds Weekly, presented by the Inside the Birds Network.
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  Speaker 1: For my man who have known way too long. I'm
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Derek Gunn.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk to you next week after they take on
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  Speaker 2: the San Francisco forty nine ers.