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Tune-Ups, Bodywork, and Craniosacral: Healing Hands’ Holistic Physical Therapy Experience · Healthy Happy Wise Wealthy

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We are here at Healing Hands Physical Therapy and
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body work with Dr. Jamie Pribyl and Dawn Cushing.
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So Jamie owns Healing Hands, Physical Therapy and Body Work,
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So,
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Jamie, I want. I know. I know you guys pretty well because we've done some
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marketing and different things, and I've been in for therapies
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twice and will be in again. So you do
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this business model completely different than a normal
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physical therapy clinic. So tell me about that and
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why that is. So just to start out.
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When I first became a physical therapist, it was because I loved
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the human body so much, and kinesiology and anatomy
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just completely fascinated me. It's actually kind of funny because
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when I took all those tests in college of like, what do you want to
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be when you grow up? They came out as a P.T. or a hairdresser.
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And I did not want to be a P.T.. I mean, I really liked the
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medical. I thought maybe I'd be a doctor or do something.
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But I had gone to physical therapy when I was in high school. I had
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bilateral knee pain. I was a runner, played soccer, and I went to P.T.
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and it was a joke. I mean, they had me do
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exercises that I did more strengthening in my weights class. And then
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the P.T. would come around and stretch my it band for five minutes,
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crank on me. Knee made my knees worse. And then he'd leave.
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And so, yeah, so. And then I actually ended up rehabbing
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myself and figured out how to get myself better.
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And so I really didn't want to be a P.T. at first. It's like, so
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you were doing that work on yourself like as a teenager. 16. Yeah. Wow.
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Yeah. I do find it fascinating that you should either be
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a P.T. or a hairdresser. Obviously,
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I don't want to sit behind a desk. Here I am. No. And here we
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are.
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Okay, so with the physical therapy and jump in when you have something to say
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too, on all this, because I know you know a lot about it. And you've
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been a patient here too, which is why you started working here.
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No, actually, I had never had physical therapy before.
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I've been really, really lucky that I have never had a whole lot of chronic
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pain to deal with in my life. The worst thing is
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migraines. But as a physical person and yoga teacher and a gym
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rat, I wish I had known that I could schedule physical therapy
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just to get a body tuned up. Like you go to the chiropractor or
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you go to get a massage. I wish I had known what physical
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therapy could entail, but I had no idea until the first time Jamie
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worked on me. Yeah. So it can be just. It is, you know, can be
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for keeping the body moving and not just when you're have
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a break or a tear or something like that. So you do it way different.
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Why do you. So I know you told me you didn't like it at all
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the way it was done. So what do you do when you have clients come
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in? Well, so, I mean, once you go to P.T. school, I mean, there's. People
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don't realize how much a P.T. knows. I mean, we know a lot about
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the human body. And there's, you know, it's always, okay, my back hurts, I'm going
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to go to a chiropractor. Maybe if my knee hurts, I'm going to go to
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the orthopedist. But then after surgery, I go to P.T.s. I think what most
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people tend to think. But I mean, we know joint mobilizations, we know
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myofascial release. We can work with the nervous system. I mean,
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we know nutrition, we can hit it all.
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And so when you go to a standard
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physical therapy clinic, when it's insurance based,
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immediately the second you take insurance, you become part of the rat race.
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Because I thought about it when I opened up my Clinic. I was like, okay,
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if I take insurance, then immediately I have to hire someone
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to bill that insurance and deal with the headache of insurance, which is a
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full time job. So if I wanted to see 20 patients
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a week to make income cash based, right. I
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only needed 20 patients a week cash based to match my
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salary or above what I was making at the time. Now
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if I did insurance, then they don't pay very much
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and they dictate the care, right? So immediately I have
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to hire someone to pay this. So that means I have to see twice as
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many, which means then I have to hire a tech for them
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to take them around to do the exercises. Because there's no way that I can
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spend an hour with that many people and pay me and my front office person
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and still somehow make a profit. So once you take
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insurance, you're immediately in the rat race. I mean, obviously there's going to be some
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that maximize it and we'll see as many patients as possible to make as much
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money as possible. And others are like, nope, we're only going to put in two
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an hour and we can make our salaries, but we're not making an exorbitant amount
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of profit. But yes, insurance,
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I mean, it typically follows Medicare. You can negotiate your contract,
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but there's very little wiggle room there. They pay
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more for certain things than they do others. So for example,
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when you were walking around with a technician who is 19 years old,
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fresh out of high school, going to school to maybe be a P.T.
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pre P.T., and they're with you doing all of those
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exercises, the P.T. is getting
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paid more for that than when they are with you doing hands on hand,
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like hands on work, like doing joint mobilizations, doing myofascial
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release. All those things that are the very skilled things, they don't get
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paid for, so. Or they get paid
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significantly less for, let's say that. So a doctor gets paid significantly less for
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that. The physical therapist, right? Yes.
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Because you are a doctor of physical therapy though, right? So you get paid less.
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I get paid less for manual therapy than I do for therapeutic exercise.
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Wow. Yeah. So you can do therapeutic exercise over there
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across the room with a tech. Or I can be working on someone, which is
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how a lot of people will do it if they don't use techs. Okay, I'm
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gonna watch you from the other side of the room while I'm trying to work
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on someone. So it forces them to multitask and. Okay,
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okay. Do three sets of ten of that. Okay, well, I can see that they're
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doing it incorrectly. But I'm working with this patient right now and I can't go
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over there. So I'm just going to say, okay, lift your leg a little bit
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more. Yeah, okay, that's good. You know, like where in here I have.
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I'm on. My hands are on the person and they're lifting their leg and they're
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lifting it too far forward and they're firing the hip flexors when I
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want them firing the hip extensors. And I can like adjust their pelvis and
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say, see, feel the difference here? This is how you want to be doing this
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exercise. Because I don't need to be multitasking with
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other people. Because we charge enough
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that we can spend one on one time with people and they can get the
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true quality care that everyone should be getting. I wish I could
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do this for everyone. I wish I could take insurance, but then doors wouldn't stay
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open. So. Right, right. And then you're limited to on what you
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can treat. And so if someone comes in with knee pain,
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insurance is going to say, physical therapist has six visits to treat knee pain and
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knee pain only. But Jamie can take a look at someone and say, oh,
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well, your pelvis is out or your ankle is doing something weird. And if I
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fix that, then I know that their knee is gonna feel a little better. And
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then we can start working on all the other things, doing the exercises.
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And that's how all things work. Right? So like when people come in with knee
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pain, I mean, unless they slipped and fell and tore their meniscus, which
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even with that, it's like, well, why did that happen? But
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knee pain never comes from the knee. That's the weakest link. So
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the way that the body works is that there's certain joints that are moving and
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other joints that are not. And so if a joint is not moving, a joint
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nearby is going to move more to take out the slack
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and that's the joint that breaks down. Right? So we can do
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exercises to strengthen this joint all we want, but if this isn't
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moving, we can strengthen it. But then this is still not moving.
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This is still going to stay hyper mobile. It's going to move too much to
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pick up the slack. So we need to mobilize this joint. So
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I mean, almost always with a knee, it's like you've got a tight ankle, you've
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got a tight pelvis or hip or something like that. And
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so if I go and I mobilize that hip or pelvis or
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ankle and then I document that Now, I personally have never actually
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had a problem because it's just the way I document. I mobilize pelvis to
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release so it would take the pressure off the knee. Right. And. But to
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document, well, takes time. And you don't get paid to document.
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You get paid to see clients. And so you're at the end of the day,
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you have 30 charts to do. People just whip it out really
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quickly. So then they don't. They didn't document exactly why and how. And then they
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get denied. Well, why are you working on the pelvis? They came in for the
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knee. Why are you working on the ankle when they came in for the knee?
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Denied. And they'll dictate how many visits. So I
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had one time somebody came in post op. Shoulder. Okay. So
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for. So if you have a shoulder surgery like a rotator
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cuff replacement, there is a protocol for every doctor. Everyone knows
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it. Six weeks, you are not allowed to move that shoulder. Okay.
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You need physical therapy for those six weeks because shoulders get frozen. They get really,
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really tight very quickly. So you need someone to be
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actively moving your shoulder for you to get that moving,
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because you cannot be firing those muscles. You might rip through them. You just had
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them repaired, sutured. Okay. Right. So
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prescription is usually okay. Go to physical therapy for two to three times a
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week during that six weeks. So we're looking at 12 to
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18 visits. Okay. But the insurance, there's been
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multiple cases. The insurance, literally after six visits says, all
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done, no more, not medically necessary. They
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have not even gotten out of the passive range of motion phase yet. They can't
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be doing exercises at home. There's nothing they can do. I mean, there's some
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range of motion stuff that we can show them how to. Okay, don't move your
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arm. Use. Use a pulley system or use a wand.
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But it's not the same as someone like taking your arm and stretching
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it and then getting in and releasing all that scar tissue and those
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tissues that need to be moving. And I mean, we're the ones that know which
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way the joint supposed to move. I mean, you don't realize how complicated
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joints are. Some. It's hollow here and it glides this way.
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Otherwise it's concave hair and it goes this way. And
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so it's not just a matter of just moving it up and down. You have
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to know the mechanics and the way the joints are shaped
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in order to mobilize them correctly. And patients don't know that.
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Right. But the insurance says nope after six. And then what happens after.
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So you see. You see that client, say, for six visits, and the
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insurance shuts them down, and they go off on their happy way, and they go
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back to playing pickleball. Let's say what happens.
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They get worse, or they injure themselves again or they hurt something else,
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Then they end up in P.T. again or somewhere else. And then they say, well,
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I had a bunch of P.T. after my surgery, but it didn't work.
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That wasn't. Yeah, you really didn't do what was needed. So
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either A, yes, the insurance prevented them from doing what
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normal P.T. needed to be, or B,
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I mean, even if they did complete it, you go to standard physical
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therapy, your pelvis is locked up, and they give you knee
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exercises. And so you're working on the knee, and it gets stronger, and it's like,
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okay, well, it feels a little bit better, you know, because you're moving
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it and you're lubricating it and you're strengthening it and you're stretching it. And so,
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yeah, so it's better, but it's not. The root problem was
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not fixed. So six months later,
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your knee hurts again. Well, I don't want to go to P.T.. I already did
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P.T.. It didn't work well, but they didn't get to the root
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cause because they couldn't. They weren't allowed to because insurance doesn't even allow them to.
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That's crazy. Yeah, whole system's crazy. So that makes sense. Why
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you? Why? This is private pay. So you come to unit. It's private pay.
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And I know with me that I've done, like, the flexible spending account,
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so that's something, too. That works for that. Which was
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nice when I figured that out, because I'm like, let me book again.
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And now my neck goes all the way. Oh, I moved, didn't
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I? It didn't do that. It's so much better. It didn't
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do that prior to coming here. It was stopped right
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about there when. I first met you. It was. It was this. Yeah.
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I don't know. I need to get my hands on your neck in a good
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way. You've had, what, two or three treatments with Jamie? Just
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one. One. Yeah. And then I had cranial sacral with
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Honey. So. Yeah. And cranial sacral is
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fascinating. So we can definitely do, like, a. That's
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a whole episode, but it'. Yeah.
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We'll get into that in a second. Some more. So the way it works here
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is cranial sacral. You have. And then you have
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physical therapy with you, and then you have one more physical therapist,
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and she also does. You tell me if I'm wrong with any of this pelvic
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floor therapies. And then the stem
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wave, which is a pretty cool treatment for. Is that mostly
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it's all for all joints, right? Yes, it's more of like a spot
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treatment for joints, but it's a
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non invasive treatment that utilizes sound
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waves. So kind of like a ultrasound machine, right? Like you put ultrasound machine
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for like to see babies or that people will use in P.T. for plantar fasciitis.
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But that's on such a low level. The waves
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are very low and they just kind of increase heat.
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This is shockwave. Like it actually like it's loud and it
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hits. And what it does is it actually. So there's a shock that
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goes off in it and then there's water in the handle.
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And through that water that electricity is going through the speed
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of sound. And so it hits and it creates a shock wave. So it's literally
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sound wave, but it's a very high intensity shock. So that's why you hear it
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every time, because you're hearing that sound wave that. So
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it's like a shock. And it shocks the cells into thinking there's been micro
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trauma. So there's no trauma that occurs, but it
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shocks them. They're like, oh, I've been injured. And so they start bringing in.
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It's the natural healing process of like, oh, I want this cell, I want that
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cell, I want this cell stem cells, macrophages, all these things.
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Right. That comes all those cells that come in and like do the repair.
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So it pulls all that in because that's what. So when we're
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younger, it's really easy, right. We get hurt, everything comes in, it
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heals properly, but everything builds until the age of 30.
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After the age of 30, if you don't work to maintain something,
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you're going to lose it. So strength, flexibility. Yep.
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Joints, brain health, all of it. Right. So
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the aging process starts very quickly after the age of 30.
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And so with stem wave, we're kind of
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shocking the cells into like healing back. Like when they were 20, not when
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they're 50. Right. Nice. Yeah. So
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no surgeries, no injections, no recovery time.
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And it doesn't hurt per se. The treatment
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is maybe slightly uncomfortable at the most, but it
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doesn't hurt. You're not going to be laying on the table, gritting your teeth the
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entire time, waiting for it to be over. I compare it often to
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going to the dentist. It's not awesome to lay there and have your
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teeth cleaned and have things scraped and do all that work. It feels good when
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it's done because everything is clean, but it's not something that you can't
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tolerate. It's kind of annoying. But it's a short treatment, too, so
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it's. And it also depends. I mean, a lot of people say, like, it's a
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hurt. So good. Like, they'll be. Sometimes you're like, ooh, turn it up. Right? Like,
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that's the spot. So it's really cool because it's diagnostic as well as
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therapeutic. So we can go around the knee. We can hit areas.
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And I'm like, do you feel anything? They're like. I mean, I feel the tapping.
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It's like a tap, tap, tap. And because there's no inflammation there.
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And then you get to the site right there on the top of the tibial
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plateau. Oh, that's where it is. Oh, now I feel it. Okay, now we need
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to pull that energy back a little bit. And so the energy can go up
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or down. And that's another way how we know people are getting better, because
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as they come in, they're able to tolerate more energy. But a lot of times
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they're like, oh, right there. Okay. Yeah, that's the spot I want you right there.
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Can we turn it up? Like, no, no, I don't want to give you. Because
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you can get a little hangover from it, you know? So we kind of see
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in that hurts. So good range. Yeah. Interesting.
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Yeah, that's awesome. We'll get a shot as we go out of the
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machine so that people can see what it is. Yeah, it's
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so great. Okay, so then
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let's do cranial sacral last. So when they come to see you, Jamie. So
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they're coming for physical therapy. Like, what kind of range of things
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do you see clients for? Oh, you name it, I've seen it.
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And because what we do and how we do it and how different
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it is, the range is even larger
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than. I feel, like, your standard P.T., because. And I
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mean, so you have to realize you have different types of physical therapists, right? So
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you have a neurophysical therapist, usually, like, in the hospitals, and they're going to be
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working with Parkinson's, stroke victims, traumatic brain injuries, the
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neurological system. Right. They are very
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skilled in, like, specific techniques of how to get
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people to retrain to fire specific muscles. So if you have, like, a
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flaccid arm, there are facilitation techniques to get arms to move,
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and they know how to, like, move the leg. There was one
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guy in One of my rotations, he was amazing with stroke victims. Completely
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flaccid on one side of the body, and he would walk them with, like, normal
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gait mechanics to teach them. Then you've got outpatient
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orthopedic. And that's what I've always done. And so that's like your typical
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P.T. that you think of when you, like, go to a physical therapist after
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you hurt your knee or something, Right? So you're like, going into a clinic,
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they work on your knee a little bit, you see the text, you do your
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exercises, you're done for the day. There's also inpatient. So
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inpatient is when you, like, you go to the hospital, you had a heart
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attack, and those first couple times you get out of bed and you just need
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to go for a walk. That's P.T., typically. Then there's rehab, where you
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actually live in. Right. So then you're going to see the physical
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therapist, you know, a couple hours a day.
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But with outpatient orthopedic, we typically just see orthopedic.
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Right. So knee pain, back pain, hip pain. Right. But
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because I work so much with the tissue, I'm doing so
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much myofascial release, and it's not massage, it's deeper
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and more, and it's just different. But
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we're stretching it, we're lengthening it, we're doing scar tissue release. So
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I'll see people a lot of times after, like, causing cosmetic surgeries
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or any surgery if they have scar tissue.
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Everything is fascia down to the cellular level. So when we're working with the
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fascia, you can work with anything. So I do something called visceral mobilization.
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So our organs need to move and glide and slide. And if
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they don't, then we can end up with constipation or
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stomach pain or acid reflux, all these different
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types of things. So I work with that. You know, Varsha works a lot
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with constipation because she does pelvic floor. So she also does the
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visceral mobilization. But pelvic floor muscles can. If
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they're very tight, then you don't have the ability for your organs to flow.
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And then with cranial, because that's a whole other thing. We're dealing with
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nervous system, right? So anxiety, depression,
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PTSD, vertigo, autism,
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ADHD, migraines,
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autoimmune. It's really good for auto. Anything autoimmune because it calms the
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sympathetic system and gets them out of that fight or flight and into that rest
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and digest, which is the only place that we can Heal. And it's cranial is
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very much about letting your body heal itself, not
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us doing the thing, your body's doing, the work. We're just there as facilitators.
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Yeah. Which is. I mean, I apply that into. I think that's why
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what I do is so different. Like, I could teach people what
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I do all day, but it's not going to have the exact same effect. What
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has changed so much about what I do
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and why it's different? It's the craniosacral therapy. It's the
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listening to the body and listening to the tissues. Instead of
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me going to the body being like, oh, you need this, and I'm going to
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mobilize this joint. I'm always. The second I put my hands on
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someone, I'm always listening. I'm listening to what is it their body wants?
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Where is it pulling me? Where do I feel tightness? I'm not gonna go
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there because I think you have tightness. I go there because the second I touch
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you, I can feel it. I can feel that if I touch your legs, I
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can feel tightness in your shoulder. I can feel tightness in your mouth.
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It's a very unique skill set that I remember
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the first time I saw it, I was like, that's crazy.
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That's not true. But then people. I would see it, they put
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their hands on their ankles and they're like, okay, tell me what's going on with
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your shoulder? And they're like, how did you know? And I would see
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it over and over and over again. I'm like, this person's legit. Like, how do
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you. How do you get that? And so when I stumbled on
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cranial, I was like, that's how you get that. And
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so I really. I never thought I was going to be like a cranial
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sacral therapist. I kind of wanted to just use that skill set to, like,
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know where to go to treat. But once you figure out
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what cranial is it, it's like life changing. So you can't not do it.
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Cranial psychotherapy is something you almost have to experience
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to even try to understand. Yeah, I know that
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it does wild things, but I don't understand the process
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of it. I'm not a doctor. I just. Even the doctors don't understand
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it. But I do think that that's part of
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the magic of healing hands, is that our physical therapists are able
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to kind of innately discern what is going
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on for someone just by either having a conversation and
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listening to the details or putting Their hands on somebody and
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being able to go right to that root cause. And I think that's
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what makes healing hands hugely different, is that kind of
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innate ability for our healers to
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hone in and do what they do best. Yeah. To the listening to the
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bodies thing is, it's unfortunate how. What an
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unusual concept. that is in our culture,
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because you. You can. I've. You know, I learned this in the
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process of peeling from limes years ago right about. And I could start to start
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to feel different things that there was like. Anyway,
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they did kind of like this little current, but it wasn't a current you could
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feel, but I was able to start feeling it. So that's when you start realizing
24:01
that you can. That you can tap into your body
24:05
and know it. So then to be able to do that as a therapeutic level
24:09
where you're just touching someone and can tap into their body, that's something
24:12
that's pretty. Pretty amazing, you know? It is
24:16
amazing. Yeah. I recognized it in working with Jamie. Like I said,
24:20
I've never had physical therapy before, but I've been a yoga practitioner for
24:23
a long, long time. Decades. And being able to
24:27
recognize that in my own body and then to see it put
24:30
professionally on the table by a physical therapist,
24:35
it's amazing. It's amazing. Yeah. Take it out of your own mind and
24:39
your own body and then be able to give that to somebody else. And then
24:42
she adds on the layer of science with physical therapy. Right. It's
24:46
magical.
25:10
So I want to. If we can get
25:14
Dawn on the table and have you do some cranial sacral
25:18
therapy just so we can kind of get a feel of people, can see what
25:21
it is. I know when they're listening
25:25
cranial. Watching cranial is like watching paint dry is what I tell people. No, it
25:28
is. It is like watching. You can't see the changes that occur
25:32
is occurring underneath. But, I mean, some people are. Are definitely
25:36
the unwinders. They're fun. They're. They're magical. That's for sure.
25:40
Yeah. I've heard about the unwinding. Unwinds pretty well. Yeah.
25:43
Yeah. So I can explain that. That's a. Is it. Do you
25:47
feel like you can. You can kind of say what's going on while you're working?
25:51
I can, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Because if I. Because I don't know how that
25:54
interferes with, you know, the whole reading the body and
25:58
getting it. I mean, it will be the body. And Dawn
26:02
actually responds really well, so the body can still do the work. So when you
26:05
come into cranial, it's a very meditative state.
26:09
So it was funny. We were actually speaking with a hypnotherapist the other
26:13
day, and she had kind of said it perfect, because we were
26:17
discussing. She actually didn't really know what craniosacral therapy was. But I've sat in on
26:21
a hypnotherapy session, and we ask the same questions. There's
26:24
a lot of dialoguing that occurs with cranial. If you decide to go that route,
26:27
you don't have to. That's the thing. There's. Some people think you have to. Patient
26:31
will dialogue with you. Yes. So because it gets super deep,
26:35
it can go very deep. It really just depends on what's going on.
26:38
But a lot of cranial is about releasing emotions
26:42
that are held in tissues, and so it's. What are you feeling in your
26:46
body? And. Okay, I'm feeling this pain
26:49
in my hip. Okay, well, what is that pain like? Does it look like
26:53
something? Is there a color? Well, it's blue. Okay. What does blue
26:57
mean to you? Oh, well, that was the color of my bedroom when I was
27:00
three. And it can really get into, like, a memory when you were
27:04
three. Some people even go into utero. Some people go as far as
27:07
to go into past lives. It can. And then
27:11
some other people just. They don't. They experience nothing. They just fall asleep on the
27:15
table or they just feel
27:18
relaxed. Right. It just depends on who you are and where you are and
27:22
what your body. What kind of work it needs to do. Right. So
27:26
mostly in a session, we try to just focus on the patient. What are
27:30
they feeling, and is that gonna go somewhere? But there's a lot of times that
27:34
I've done things like this and I'll be working, and we talk about what we're
27:37
feeling, and it still works. The body still does what it
27:41
needs to do. Maybe she wouldn't drop as deeply
27:44
into that, like hypnosis, because you do. You get out
27:48
of it. It was funny. I worked on a friend of mine. She was an
27:51
anesthesiologist, and she got off the table, and
27:55
she was like, whoa. And I was like, what'd you feel? And she's like,
27:59
there was like, nothing. Like, nothing.
28:03
Like the head was able to be completely meditative. Yeah. Because, you know, she's an
28:06
anesthesiologist, like, and she's super smart and super type A and just like,
28:10
thinking all the time. Yeah. And she's like, I don't think there's ever been a
28:13
time in my life where I just felt nothing. Like, I thought nothing.
28:17
It's an hour long savasana being guided by a professional.
28:22
And if you can't get into the savasana, because a lot of people can't,
28:26
there's something about the hands. And when we do puts
28:29
you into that state. So if you're someone that's like laying a savasana is like,
28:33
I can't meditate. I can't. Everyone says I can't meditate because my brain never stops.
28:37
And it's like, that's why you need to meditate. Right. So
28:41
this is like a really good bridging to it. Right. Like, it kind of teaches
28:45
you because it's. It puts you into it. A lot of times, people, it
28:49
takes them out of that thinking and it just
28:52
puts them into their body and it shut. Like, as soon as someone puts their
28:55
hands on me, we start doing cranial. Like, I'll even do it to myself sometimes.
28:59
And I'm just like, whoosh. Like, okay, now I know I'm going there.
29:02
There's something about that touch. You're practiced. You're practiced. And you recognize that little
29:06
switch. Exactly. I mean, we do this. We do this in yoga too. As soon
29:10
as I lay on the mat, my body goes, oh, we're doing the savasana. Okay,
29:12
I know what to do here. But it didn't happen in a day. It took
29:15
me years and years and years of practice to be able to get there by
29:18
myself. I had to do that by myself. Jamie can help you get there through
29:21
cranial sacral therapy without trying, without the practice part.
29:25
And then if you just get a little bit of that, just a little bit,
29:28
even like 30 seconds of that is super duper powerful.
29:31
It is amazingly healing. It's amazingly relaxing. I think
29:35
everybody needs it. Even if you think you don't need it. We need it in
29:38
this. In this life. Oh, yeah, I know. I think I. In fact,
29:42
I'm in a minute. I want you to tell everyone, because not everyone, I think
29:45
listening knows about yoga and savasana and what it means. But
29:49
I know when I first started, I did. I did not ever want to do
29:51
yoga. And I really think it was the running away
29:55
from a trauma that had happened that I was never going to acknowledge
29:59
kind of thing. And so you don't want to slow down, you don't want to
30:02
hold a pose because that feels like torture when your body is
30:06
holding on to go, go, go, go, run, run, run. Because,
30:10
you know, I think it's, I think it's trauma related. That's my opinion
30:13
from my history. But can you tell people who don't know yoga like
30:17
what we're like, kind of what that is? Sure. One of the
30:21
reasons why Jamie and I are so aligned is because I do bring that background.
30:24
I've practiced yoga for over 25 years now and I
30:28
teach a couple of different kinds of yoga. So Vinyasa yoga is
30:31
the movement based yoga. Very physical, one breath, one movement. Even
30:35
still, that one breath, one movement gets your mind to focus. That's the first thing
30:39
that most of us start with with yoga. And that's where I went and I
30:42
practiced that for years. Years and years and years and years. I love a good,
30:45
hot, sweaty power yoga. I was there and then I found the
30:49
opposite of that, which is yin yoga, which taps into
30:52
all of that nervous system regulation. It's the exact opposite
30:56
of Vinyasa yoga. So it's, oh, interesting, it's cooler, it's
31:00
slower. We hold poses, you're in that meditative state for the entire
31:03
time. It's also hard. It is so
31:07
hard to be still with yourself for that amount of time holding, let's
31:10
say, pigeon pose. And at the very end of any yoga class,
31:14
you're going to get savasana, which is, hopefully you have time
31:18
for a good solid 10 minutes to just lay there on the floor with
31:22
yourself and breathe. That's all savasana is. I think a lot of times we
31:26
work too hard at trying to get to the meditative state. But
31:29
I like to offer people a good solid 10 minutes to do
31:33
absolutely nothing with nothing else expected of you. That is the
31:37
glorious part of yoga is that moment of
31:40
savasana, four or five, hopefully 10 minutes at the end of your class
31:44
where you just get to shut everything off. Your body will
31:48
follow if you give it the time to do that. And that, I think
31:51
is where the magic of yoga really happens.
31:56
And I just expanded that offering into an entire hour
31:59
within a yin class for people to disconnect
32:03
from the yang side of things. Yang being hot. Go, go, go.
32:07
Moving, physical, sweaty, red, where yin is
32:11
blue, softer, quieter, darker. We need that balance
32:15
in life and we don't offer it to ourselves. So that's why I think
32:18
yoga aligns really, really well with what Jamie does here on
32:22
the holistic side of physical therapy. Isn't that wild? Physical therapy,
32:26
Yoga, yoga, physical therapy. How do those two things align? And then
32:30
when we met, it was kind of like, yeah, all of that really, really
32:33
aligns. Yeah. With how Jamie does it, too. Yep. And I do remember what I
32:37
was going to say earlier, which is that, you know, I do think
32:40
if for maintenance, we're like, yoga, chiropractor
32:45
diet, and, you know,
32:48
then, you know, maybe we add in one or other
32:52
thing, but we don't think physical therapists. So this is a good way for us
32:55
to come and, you know, get all those tweaked.
32:59
Oh, I saw. Just a regular massage, but
33:03
you're kind of like, can do all of the different things. And,
33:07
yeah, I always say faster, you. Know, if somebody came in once a month, forever.
33:11
They're not getting any joint replacements. They're not. They're not getting injuries
33:15
because we're just keeping them aligned. And there's probably
33:19
a reason, you know, at my age, having done yoga
33:22
for a long time, that I can still do some of the wacky stuff I
33:25
can still do in the fact that I've worked here for going on two years
33:28
now. And I do get, you know, moments like this where I get a little
33:31
job perk. I get to lay on the table and have some cranial. And Jamie
33:35
will. We all kind of tend to work on each other, too. Yeah,
33:38
we share. To keep ourselves healthy. Yeah. Through it all.
33:42
Yeah. So let's do that. And I'd love to just kind of, since we're here
33:46
and videotaping, I'd love to see it a little bit in practice. Okay, that sounds
33:50
good. All right, so what I'm gonna do to start is
33:53
I'm going to listen to Dawn's body. Okay. So
33:57
there's certain listening stations, and what I am paying attention to is called the
34:00
craniosacral rhythm. The craniosacral rhythm.
34:05
So it's just like any other rhythm in the body. So we have breath, Right.
34:08
And so we know the breath rhythm. We know that we have a
34:12
rhythm of the pulse. Same thing with craniosacral
34:16
rhythm. It's a very slow expansion
34:20
and contraction, and you can feel it anywhere on the body. What
34:24
creates this rhythm is the cerebral spinal fluid that actually
34:28
flows from the brain down to the sacrum, but it
34:31
affects the whole nervous system. So you can feel it anywhere in the body. What
34:35
we do is we go through and we're listening. So as soon as I put
34:38
my hands on her, I can tell that the rhythm
34:41
is slower on her left leg than on her right.
34:46
And not only that, instead of like. This.
34:51
It'S more like this, which tells
34:55
me. So like I said, I can put my hands and I can kind of
34:58
get a hit of like where to go. Tell me she's got some built up
35:02
energy in her pelvis is what I'm kind of getting. We call it an energy
35:05
cyst. It's kind of like. So with
35:10
normal natural physics, right? So there's a law and
35:13
it's. Every force is met with an equal force,
35:17
right. So if we slip when we fall on the ice,
35:22
we land our butt on the ice, that force should go through our body and
35:25
out into the universe. Right. But sometimes it kind of gets trapped into
35:29
our tissues. And so we can get this buildup of like chaotic energy in
35:32
an area which can create pain. Okay. And so sometimes that can
35:36
present in our body and we can just feel it.
35:41
So, yeah, first tip for me is that I would work on her pelvis and
35:45
I'm just going to kind of go through and see if I feel
35:48
anything else or legs. Nothing too much
35:52
there. I'm just still feeling that I'm feeling the same pull
35:56
all to the pelvis. That's what you do
36:00
with listening stations is, okay, I got a hit on the
36:03
pelvis. Am I completely insane because it just said pelvis? But then
36:07
when I go through and I do my listening stations and everything still
36:10
keeps pulling me towards the pelvis. Then I'm probably going
36:14
to go to the pelvis.
36:21
So here, her thoracic outlet, really tight, built up
36:25
energy there. I would want to work there.
36:32
Her head's off, which makes sense because she's been having a
36:36
migraine. So head should be
36:40
expansion, contraction.
36:44
And so very similar to the pelvis I'm getting.
36:49
So she's really stuck somewhere in here. And so I would just have to
36:53
kind of go through and figure out where. It's probably her sphenoid. Yeah, her
36:56
sphenoid. So sphenoid is
37:00
grab this.
37:06
So there's different bones in our skull. Okay. So we're
37:10
taught that after we're born that all these fuse,
37:13
right? But they're sutures. So sutures are there for a reason. All these
37:17
squiggly lines, that's for mobility. Okay. Okay.
37:21
So the reason they are there is because. So
37:25
they're, they're kind of like interlocked like this. And so that Those
37:29
bones expand, contract. Now,
37:33
when we're looking at the cellular level, I mean, we could never see it,
37:37
right? It's very, very minuscule. But I'm just, I'm showing you so that you can
37:40
kind of know what it is, right?
37:44
So we learn about all the. So I mean, craniosacral therapist
37:48
is going to know every bone in the skull,
37:52
but the sphenoid is really cool because if you look
37:55
at it, it looks like a butterfly. Okay,
38:01
Butterfly. And so it sits behind
38:06
her. Butterflies off. So this was actually really crazy. So when I was
38:09
just getting into craniosacral therapy, kind of someone like Honey. So Honey
38:13
was one of my. Whoa. Patients. Like people who've never
38:17
experienced cranial sacral therapy. I mean, it's one thing if you've
38:21
heard about cranial cycle therapy and what it can do and that people can have
38:24
these visions and they can unwind and then you see
38:27
people do it. It's like. Well, they anticipated that, right? But I had two people
38:31
who had never even heard of craniosacral therapy, and the weirdest things happened to
38:35
them. You just. You can't make this stuff up. So one of my patients, I
38:38
was literally on her sphenoid and
38:42
I'm like, working on her, and I'm like, so what's going on? You know, what.
38:45
What's going on in your body? And I kind of figured she was gonna say,
38:48
oh, I feel this somewhere. She's like, I see a
38:51
butterfly.
38:55
I'm working on your sphenoid right now. And it's a butterfly shaped bone. So
38:59
that is so funny. Good job.
39:04
So your brain literally sits on top of the
39:07
sphenoid. Right. And so this is a huge
39:11
player when it has to do with. I mean, and this goes into. I mean,
39:14
down underneath you have the sinuses. All your nerves
39:18
come through here. All these holes are nerves to come out of your brain.
39:24
So I mean, you have no idea what we can do with cranial. I mean,
39:27
you've got the pituitary gland sitting right there. So you're affecting the hormonal
39:31
system, the endocrine system, the nervous system.
39:36
There's a lot.
39:40
So, yeah, her sphenoid's kind of just not moving. So we would want to
39:44
work on that. And so there's just
39:48
different handholds on the head. So you kind of. Yeah,
39:52
huge torsion there. I'll probably start with this because you have a
39:55
migraine and you are off. Not a
39:58
migraine yet. Okay. So she's like.
40:03
So you can imagine when people come in when something like this
40:06
is happening, you're gonna have vertigo. And people will say that. They're like, I
40:10
feel like I'm getting pulled to the right for no reason. Well, their
40:14
sphenoid is getting pulled to the right. Interesting.
40:17
Yeah, so.
40:21
So it's. This is the crazy part about cranial.
40:24
I always say watching cranial is like watching paint dry, because you don't see
40:28
anything. You don't. In fact, when you're having it done. When you're having
40:32
it done, you're like, you're not doing anything. You're not doing anything. What are we
40:35
doing? And why do I feel better? This doesn't make any sense. Because I'm not
40:38
doing anything. I'm not doing anything. I'm just laying here. I'm listening to the body.
40:44
So we start with 5 grams of pressure, less
40:47
than the weight of a nickel. And we just
40:51
listen. And so I can
40:55
kind of. So she's heard. So the sphenoid is my head.
40:58
She's, like, dropping down to the right,
41:03
and then she comes back up. Stop.
41:09
Drops down to the right. So this is not even a normal pattern
41:13
at all of the sphenoid at all.
41:17
So there are specific movements that the sphenoid needs
41:20
to do. And so I'm going to kind of go through and check those
41:24
and see where is she stuck. Exactly. So if I pull the
41:28
left side of her sphenoid up into the left,
41:32
it moves, which I know it's going to because that's kind of what it does.
41:35
Right. So it's kind of going this way. So I check that.
41:38
Moving really well. Now I'm going to try to pull the right side up. Nothing.
41:42
It's not moving. It's not moving at all. So
41:46
what we do in the world of cranial is we go with the direction of
41:49
ease first. So I know she wants to go this way,
41:53
so I'm going to take her that way. So it's kind of almost like
41:57
unjamming a drawer, right? Like, if you picture, like, your drawer and it's
42:01
filled with clothes and you're pulling it out and pulling out, and it's getting stuck.
42:03
It's getting stuck. You can't pull it out. You have to push it back in
42:07
and reposition it, and it pulls out. Okay. We're using that
42:10
same concept with craniosacral therapy. So I
42:14
took her up and back, and so right there, she just. I just waited, and
42:17
she had a big release. And she's shaking her head because she can feel it.
42:21
And so now I'm gonna go. Almost see it. Because, you know.
42:25
Yeah, yeah. So when you take a deep breath, that's when we get a release.
42:28
Yeah. So people will yawn, they will sigh,
42:32
they'll take a deep breath, they'll get belly gurgles.
42:36
We call it bulgarithmus. But people
42:40
are like, oh, I didn't realize I was hungry. And I'm like, no, that's your
42:43
autonomic nervous system responding to what we're doing.
42:47
So, yeah, it's fascinating
42:51
stuff because it's just, like, even close up, you look at your hands and
42:55
you're like, nope, they aren't moving. Don't know what's going on
42:58
here. Oh, so she's starting to let go. Starting to let
43:02
go. She's kind of sliding up a little bit.
43:07
There she goes. So I'm just kind of, like, exaggerating it with my
43:11
head, but it still just feels tight. So
43:14
I'm just gonna hang out here. It's kind of like a rubber band. Like, I
43:17
let go, but the rubber band's still holding on. The other one just flew.
43:21
Like, it was just easy. I'm just gonna wait a little bit
43:24
longer. Oh, yeah, There. She's got another release. So you can get multiple releases.
43:28
And that's. That's something where, like, you know, when you first
43:32
start doing cranial, it's like, oh, did I feel a release? I think I did
43:35
okay. I guess I'm done, you know? But you get to the point, like, you're
43:38
an experienced practitioner. Just like anything else, you know, like, you get better at it
43:42
and you learn it, and you're like, that's not done releasing, like,
43:45
because people will be like, well, when? When do I know when she's done releasing?
43:48
Do we do five? Do we do two? Do we do one? Yeah, you
43:52
just know. But one thing you can do. So a lot of people
43:58
are, okay, so now she's. I'll
44:02
finish that sentence again. So I'm sliding her. So her. So
44:05
her sphenoid should slide to the left and slide to the right. It doesn't want
44:09
to slide to the right. It wants to go to the left. So I just
44:12
kind of gave it a little nudge, and so now we're hanging out over to
44:14
the left. But
44:18
what was I saying? Just with experience,
44:22
you just. Oh, that's what it was. You can talk to the inner wisdom.
44:26
So the inner wisdom. So everyone has an inner wisdom. And
44:30
so whatever you want to connect that to. Is that intuition? Is
44:33
that God? Is that your higher self?
44:37
Whatever it is for people
44:42
it's your body's inner knowing. Right.
44:46
And so we will use the rhythm a
44:50
lot of times to ask questions if we're not getting
44:53
somewhere. And so, like I said, you can feel that rhythm. It kind of goes
44:57
up and out. Right. And then there's certain areas where it's not moving. So well,
45:01
so we know we need to work there. But when we're in treatment,
45:05
we can just like. I can just to myself just
45:08
be like, okay, inner wisdom. Are you done? Releasing?
45:14
And it will resp. You can just be like, stop. Stop the
45:17
rhythm for yes or start the rhythm for no.
45:21
You know, and it will tell you.
45:26
And then if that doesn't work, I mean, then you. Then you get. That's where
45:30
dialoguing with the patient gets involved. So a lot of times maybe,
45:33
you know, so sometimes you need to kind of like, talk to the inner wisdom
45:37
if the patient isn't getting anything.
45:41
Because not everybody gets messages from their body. Other
45:45
people get them clear as day. They're really good at communicating with their body. I
45:48
think it's a practice, you know. Yeah. You get more
45:52
acclimated because we are not taught it at all.
45:56
I am not doing this. Yeah. So this is called unwinding.
46:01
So unwinding always trumps everything in my world, at least.
46:06
So tissues will unwind. So she feels like I'm
46:10
moving her head, but I feel like her head is moving me.
46:14
So this is what I'm talking about when I say this
46:18
is such a different touch than massage. I
46:22
am not moving her head. Her head. I'm feeling where the
46:25
tissues want to go, and I just follow. So they unwind
46:29
out of their dysfunctional pattern. So if you're in a car accident
46:33
and you're like this in the car accident, but you don't realize that, and
46:37
you've had neck pain for the next 20 years, and nobody can get rid of
46:40
it, you start to unwind, and you'll get back
46:44
into that pattern, and then the body will
46:48
slowly unwind out of it itself. And so the
46:51
body is healing itself. It's not me doing the work. I'm just here as a
46:54
facilitator. And so that's why this work is
46:58
so powerful. Yeah. For sure.
47:02
Suddenly becoming, like, very aware of the back of my
47:06
throat and, like, this inner sinus
47:10
situation behind my. Okay,
47:14
so tell me more about that awareness.
47:21
It just feels like my right eye. Wants to shut off. Shut off.
47:25
Shut off. Not close, but shut off.
47:29
Yeah. Like there's a hole there. Like there's a hole in your eye. Yep. Where
47:33
the eyeball is. It's just like. There's a big empty spot there. empty
47:36
spot. Okay. Can you tell me why there's a big empty
47:40
spot there? I don't know. It's just tired. It's tired.
47:44
What's it tired of?
47:49
How many new glasses? Yeah. Okay,
47:55
so right there. That's the kind of stuff that happens all the time. That's a
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diagnosis, essentially. Mm. She just figured out she needs new
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glasses, and she has a headache. Maybe her glasses are not
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supporting her and that's why she has a headache. I didn't diagnose
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her. I didn't come up with that. She did. Yeah,
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well, I knew that as soon as I walked in. I'm like, girl needs
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new glasses.
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Interesting. So it's just the right eye but not the left eye.
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So maybe you need to get the right adjusted. But how's the
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left doing? Does the left need an adjustment? Left feels
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fine. Okay.
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So she can go to our eye doctor and say, hey, can we check this
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out? I think my right eye needs something different.
48:56
There's the part where it starts to get weird. I think that.
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Sometimes when I share these things with Jamie, it's kind of. Funny, so feel free
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to laugh. Why am I seeing clowns? Hate clowns.
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You hate clowns? I do. What do you hate about clowns?
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They're just messy. They're messy. Okay.
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Do you not like messy and loud? I don't mind it.
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So you don't mind messy and loud, but you don't like loud? I don't like
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loud. Messy is fine. I'm messy. You don't like loud.
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What do you not like about loud?
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It's jarring to my system.
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I have to, like, come back from it. Like, if
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it's, like, interruptive and it bothers me, and it just annoys me. Like, if you
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pull up to somebody at a stop point, the music's too loud. I'm just like,
49:56
dude, I was having a thought.
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So she's kind of just settled. So I'm going to recheck this sphenoid because I'm
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getting pulled into her right occiput now. But I want to make sure her sphenoid
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is good, so I move up her left. Good. Right.
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Good. Where's the right occiput for those that don't know? On the back
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of your head. Moving to the right. Good. Moving
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to the left. Still a little stuck there. So I'm going to slide
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her to the right again.
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Yeah. So I don't think I got to finish that one. Because she started unwinding.
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Okay, so now I'm gonna push to the left, which when I say push,
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it's. It's the intention. It's just a thought
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almost. It's like one gram of pressure.
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And there it goes. Which is barely a touch.
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Yeah. Can you feel that? I'm pressing harder on the right
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than the left, Dawn. No. Yeah. See, she can't even feel it. It's just
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a. It's an intention almost. Good.
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So she kind of settles there. So kind of to reset, I'm going to
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compress her. So I'm kind of pulling the sphenoid back and down
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into the rest of her skull. And then
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I'm going to lift it and decompress.
51:15
Just a reset. We always do. At the end of working with the
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sphenoid,
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she's in what's called still point. So still point is when the
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rhythm completely shuts off in the entire body. It's when it's doing work.
51:31
So there's still point, it's doing work. And then there's significance detector, which
51:35
is like an even deeper drop. Like, ooh, this is significant. Like, we're really
51:39
doing work. But she's just in still point right now. And there it just turned
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right back on. So now, because the rhythm turned back on, I'm going
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to go to the next spot. I'm not gonna move during a still point
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because there's too much work getting done. So the suboccipital
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elease is the best thing in the world. They've tried to
51:57
make so many little fidgets to put, to lay on,
52:01
to copy it, but you can never copy it because you just can't copy
52:05
human touch. But I say to everyone, I'm like, if
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everyone had a suboccipital release, the first thing in the morning,
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we'd have a world peace. It is. That's
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interesting. It is the most relaxing, most amazing thing
52:20
if you get it done right.
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I mean,
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there have been times where I have done an hour of
52:29
just a suboccipital release. I just hold it. Wow. That's what the
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body needs.
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So she's really tight on the right side, so I'm just kind of
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sinking in. So like I said, cranial
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starts really light, but it can get heavy.
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It can be a heavy. I get pulled in sometimes. Like, I'm digging it. Like,
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I'm digging into her suboccipitals right now. But, like,
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I'm not forcing it. I'm not hurting her. I'm not. Like, I don't go in
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fast. That's the difference too. So, you know, people will be like,
53:03
oh, my massage therapist got into my psoas. And, oh, my God, it hurts so
53:06
bad. Because you have to go all the way, like, through the abdominal cavity. Well,
53:09
yeah, if they go hard and fast, that's gonna hurt like a mother,
53:12
Right? But if you listen to the tissues and
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you start light and you wait
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until the tissues allow you in, you can get
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so deep and not hurt someone. I mean, they'll be like, ooh.
53:28
But it's always. It's that hurt so good. It's the same thing. I always stay
53:32
in the hurt so good, because if I go in too hard, too fast, the
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body doesn't like it, it's gonna tighten up, and it's gonna kick me out, and
53:39
it's gonna make that and create more of a problem.
53:44
So it's not always, like, necessarily even, like the technique that I do.
53:48
It's how I do it and that I'm listening and
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respecting the body. I'm not going in
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as a bully and being like, you're gonna do as I say.
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No, I go in as, hey, body, what is it that you need today and
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how can I help? Yeah, I wish I could do for
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myself. You can do
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cranial on yourself. If you learn it, you can kind of do that. But
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there's. Obviously, you're gonna get way more from someone else
54:18
because that. We are energetic beings, right? We are positive and negative
54:21
ions all the way throughout our entire body. So whenever somebody touches you,
54:25
there's a reason. There's a physiological response. And when we. So we'll do.
54:29
We do cranial multi hand sessions. And those things are
54:33
so powerful. So powerful. I get 10
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times more work done on a weekend when I take my classes than
54:41
I do seeing one therapist once a week for six
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months. Wow. And then if you do multi hands in water.
54:50
Talk about mind blowing. And we're actually. We're trying to start
54:54
a program here in Reno. There's the only place that we know that you can
54:57
really do it is in the Bahamas, because that's where they teach it,
55:01
Right. So there are programs where you can fly down to the Bahamas and get
55:05
treated multi hands in the water with dolphins,
55:09
because the dolphins communicate. It's amazing. I haven't done it yet.
55:13
It's on my to do list. I can't lie. I cannot wait. But so my
55:16
mentor reached those people and said, hey, can we do
55:20
an aqua class here in Reno? And they came out here and we did a
55:23
class so we're trying to figure out how to make it. The problem is there's
55:27
so many practitioners, like, how do you pay them for their time and
55:31
rent, the pool and all of these things. But we're trying to put that
55:34
together for people who really need it, because it's.
55:38
It's mind blowing. Yeah. Interesting.
55:43
So how does the water make a difference? It's just a faster facilitator kind of
55:47
thing or what? So if you think about it, our bodies are 80% water, right?
55:50
We are water. And the craniosacral system, the cerebral spinal fluid, it's
55:54
water. Okay. So it's a conduit. And.
55:59
Okay. So did you. So you seen how her head kind of moves? Right, Right.
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Okay. So that's unwinding. She is
56:06
stuck to unwinding her head right now because that's where my hands are. And I
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can lift up and take. Make her. Like, if I was on her leg, I
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would hold her leg and make it weightless, and then I would just follow it.
56:16
Right. But I need to be holding that leg. I need to be holding
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her head. Now, there are some people who are true unwinders. Like, if you watch
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me, I'm an unwinder. I will look like an exorcist. On this table, if the
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right person touches, it's the right day and the right time.
56:30
Like, you wiggle and you're a worm, but you're still limited by the table, right?
56:34
In the pool, there's no limitation. People flip.
56:38
We do flips. We spin around. We're going forward flips,
56:42
back flips, spinning, twirling.
56:45
It's the most beautiful thing you've ever seen. It's
56:49
unreal. And you see, you'll have, like, 10 people on one person,
56:53
and they're all feeling the same thing. Interesting. And it's all very in
56:56
sync and in unison because they're all listening to the body,
57:00
so they're all responding to the same rhythm, to the same flow,
57:04
to what it is that the body wants.
57:09
That's amazing. That'd be something to watch or experience.
57:13
Better yet, experience. Yeah.
57:17
That just feels so good, I can't even explain it. I'm getting in real deep
57:21
right now, which there's no way I could have gotten in here when I first
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touched her. I mean, I'm like a solid inch into
57:28
her suboccipitals.
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So I know from my yin training, this gets a little.
57:37
But go with me on this. I know from my yin training that the right
57:40
side of your body is the need to express the
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left side of your body is the need to recieve..
57:54
So if I have a right eyeball blocked
58:02
and the right side
58:05
tension, whatever the hell that is that you're working on right there, it feels so
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good.
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That tells me that there's something that I'm not seeing,
58:16
I'm not expressing. Mmhmm.
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So it's just kind of. Her tissues are shifting. It's like it pulls me in
58:27
the suboccipitals and then pulls me down lower into her, like, lower neck into her
58:30
paraspinals, and then she shifts over to her right. So once again,
58:34
she's still unwinding. So still paraspinals, a little bit of right scalenes
58:38
getting right there. It's just kind of shifting back
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and forth because it all needs it. So apparently it doesn't want one at a
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time. Once all the tissues want to take turns.
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This nice stretch. So this goes kind of more into, like, myofascial release.
58:57
And so because she's kind of leaning that way, I just feel like her body's
58:59
saying, like, oh, stretch this for me. So I'm gonna lock it down
59:03
over to the right, and I'm holding the back of her head to give her
59:06
a nice, nice stretch. How's that feel, Dawn?
59:10
She's pulling my hair. Is it too much? No, it's fine, actually. No, it's
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totally fine.
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And then you let go. It's like a rebound. Much better.
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And that loosened it up. Nice.
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That's a little bit of cranial. That is. That's awesome.
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Vegetables are going to be bright today,
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girl. That's awesome. It is awesome. I
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can almost feel some of it in my neck as you were doing it. I'm
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like, oh, I feel like I'm moving. But energy.
59:46
Energy flows through people. It does 100%.
59:51
That's awesome. Thank you, guys.
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Yeah, thank you. Thank you. I
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appreciate you guys being here today. This has been awesome. You guys know
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