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7 Ways Hollywood Wages War On Men (You’re Not Crazy) · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Okay, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you may be.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Brian Allison, and this is seven ways
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  Speaker 1: Hollywood wages war on men. You're not crazy. Well, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to be looking at the absolute state of men
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  Speaker 1: in media and uh, some normy reactions to it, actually, which.
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  Speaker 2: Some ineffectual Norman reactions.
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  Speaker 1: I would say, what was that?
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  Speaker 2: I would say there were ineffectual normal reactions. They're just
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  Speaker 2: the usual. This is the problem, so we should do
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  Speaker 2: more of the thing that creates the problem.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm not talking about the article. Oh okay, who
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  Speaker 1: made a video? I think she's like grasping at the problem.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 1: I won't. I won't spoil anything for you, guys, because
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  Speaker 1: we're all set on the video. But yeah, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean what I'm saying is is that it's getting
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  Speaker 1: to the point where, you know, normies are noticing.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I wasn't referring to Jester Bill either.
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  Speaker 2: It heads up, guys, just a bit of a spoiler.
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  Speaker 2: We are going to be responding to someone, but you
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  Speaker 2: should probably hold off the rage because she she's groping
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  Speaker 2: towards an eventual conclusion that makes sense. Shall we say
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  Speaker 2: she's not. She's not she's on the right path. So
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  Speaker 2: this isn't We're not presenting another crazy feminist, which you
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  Speaker 2: might notice by the fact that she doesn't have crazy
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  Speaker 2: hair or makeup. But yeah, so the the woman on
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  Speaker 2: screen that we shall have on screen, just stow your
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  Speaker 2: stow the rage, don't don't don't no friendly fire today,
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  Speaker 2: shall we say? Okay, so did you want to introduce
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  Speaker 2: or did we did you already introduce? It? Was that
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  Speaker 2: the introduction?
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  Speaker 1: Well, well, we have an article talking about you guys
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  Speaker 1: understand that, like, you know, our media, our stories are entertainment,
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  Speaker 1: they are important. They sort of like help shape our
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  Speaker 1: like it's like a language that we all speak, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And they've been attacking men for a long time in
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  Speaker 1: that in that medium, to the point where there was
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  Speaker 1: a channel back when I started watching men's rights content
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  Speaker 1: called missonry in the media, and it was a pretty
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  Speaker 1: good channel. I don't know whatever happened to it, but
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  Speaker 1: the guy would show commercials and TV shows and stuff
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  Speaker 1: and movies. So these days, you know, boys are left
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  Speaker 1: between choosing choosing between identifying with Moron's monsters or nothing
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  Speaker 1: at all. And uh, you know, men have been portrayed
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  Speaker 1: as abusive week or absent fathers or lectures or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: but certainly not aspirational, especially lately. And yeah, so we're
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  Speaker 1: going to be looking at an article here from the
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  Speaker 1: Telegraph that is actually starting to like recognize at least
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  Speaker 1: that people are really sick of this. And it's basically
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  Speaker 1: become like, I don't even want to say a cliche
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  Speaker 1: or a trope, because saying it's a cliche is kind
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  Speaker 1: of like giving it a pass because you're saying, well,
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  Speaker 1: it's just overdone. But I think that it's it's just hostile.
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  Speaker 1: It's like anti male propaganda in everything. You know, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's and I think people are sick of it and
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  Speaker 1: they just want you know, regular stories, yeah that that
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  Speaker 1: celebrate men when it's you know, when it's appropriate, and
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  Speaker 1: we're just not getting that so with and you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, this is just something that I learned
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  Speaker 1: happened today, and I think this is part of the
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  Speaker 1: problem too. Do you know that Netflix recently bought Warner
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  Speaker 1: Brothers Studios, So yeah, Netflix owns Warner Brothers now, and
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  Speaker 1: I think they're gonna keep buying studios. So like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's only a small number of large studios. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna come down to two. Excuse me, It's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be like Disney and it's gonna be Netflix. Mm hmmm,
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  Speaker 1: let me turn on the advanced scene switcher. And so
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  Speaker 1: what that means is creativity is going away because Netflix. Yeah. So,
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  Speaker 1: like the reason why Netflix is is crap, Like there's
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  Speaker 1: like these memes about the Netflix adaptations of stuff is
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  Speaker 1: because unlike film, Netflix does don't have to sell you
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  Speaker 1: on the movie, Like they don't have to get you hyped.
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  Speaker 1: Because the only thing that you need to validate them
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  Speaker 1: is to have a subscription. And so if you have
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  Speaker 1: a subscription, even if it's for let's say you have
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  Speaker 1: a subscription to watch something else, like some old movies
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  Speaker 1: that you want to watch that are on Netflix. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: you're really really into you know, I don't know all
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  Speaker 1: the Star Trek films or something. I mean Paramount owns that,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, whatever it is, you might like, like
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  Speaker 1: maybe there's just a bunch of old movies, or you
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  Speaker 1: don't you want to watch reruns of Friends or something,
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  Speaker 1: and so you get a subscription for that. But Netflix,
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  Speaker 1: because you're giving them money, they use the money to
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  Speaker 1: make their own projects, and all their projects are like
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  Speaker 1: these you know, activist projects where you know, where you
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  Speaker 1: get all this feminist stuff. Do you remember when we
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  Speaker 1: watched uh, the Mask You Live in mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: That that was six That was like ten years ago. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: though actually it's like nine years ago. We all got
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  Speaker 2: got into the Badger Cave on the couch and we
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  Speaker 2: watched it and it was abs. It's one of the
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  Speaker 2: ones that got yeated off of YouTube. Yeah, I remember.
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  Speaker 2: I think that was the Michael Flood. He periodically floods into.
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  Speaker 1: My Michael Flood and Michael Kimmel were both in there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, oh good lord.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, the dynamic duo of Dipshittery.
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  Speaker 1: But that's exactly the kind of thing that it's that
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  Speaker 1: gets on Netflix. That and and the other movie made
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  Speaker 1: by the same director called Misrepresentation, Yeah yeah, yeah. And
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  Speaker 1: there was another documentary that was on Netflix called Are
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  Speaker 1: All Men Pedophiles? Like, I'm serious, that's a real documentary
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  Speaker 1: they had on Netflix. So you get this, like the Netflix,
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  Speaker 1: the people that work there, they have a worldview and
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  Speaker 1: it comes out in all of the work. Now, originally
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  Speaker 1: all they were was sort of what's the word, I'm
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  Speaker 1: looking for They were just like middlemen, right, they just oh,
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  Speaker 1: you want to watch you know big, then we'll put
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  Speaker 1: it on here. But now they make their own content.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, anyway, yeah you have to you have to
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  Speaker 2: wade through that. They've been sorted a middle as middleman,
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  Speaker 2: they've been sorted the middle of ideologically corrupted content, shall
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  Speaker 2: we say? Yeah, I gotcha. So it's just gonna get worse, guys.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh yeah, streaming is like theaters are probably
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  Speaker 1: gonna die, like I mean, they they weren't doing well.
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  Speaker 1: But if the streaming service owns one of the largest
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  Speaker 1: studios in Hollywood, like Warner Brothers owns, you know, all
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  Speaker 1: the Looney Tunes, all of d C comics, all of
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  Speaker 1: Harry Potter, all of Lord of the Rings, all of
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  Speaker 1: Game of Thrones, like they own all of that. Warner
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  Speaker 1: brother they own the Matrix, like they own all of
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  Speaker 1: the major all those major franchises.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 1: And so and they're and they're probably just gonna keep
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  Speaker 1: growing and they're not going to put stuff in theaters.
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  Speaker 1: But my point is is that, uh, this ideological rot
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  Speaker 1: is going to grow and so but the but people
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  Speaker 1: are not interested, or at least there seems to push back,
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  Speaker 1: and I think the Telegraph is trying to address this
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  Speaker 1: by recognizing it. And I just want to point out
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  Speaker 1: before we get into this article that I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to make a prediction. I haven't read this yet.
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  Speaker 1: I want to make a prediction. Everything they're going to
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  Speaker 1: bring up. We've been talking about it for years, like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, everything that you bring up. But then
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  Speaker 2: they won't have our our particular chutzpah of actually embracing
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  Speaker 2: the the actual solution to the problem, which is to
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  Speaker 2: stop doing the problem. Because you'll notice that every time
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  Speaker 2: we have these articles, they'll say, oh, yes, we men
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  Speaker 2: have this problem, boys have this problem. There's this problem, this, this, this,
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  Speaker 2: and then the end is and they all need to
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  Speaker 2: man up. Don't blame women, ya, and men need to
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  Speaker 2: man up.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just ing now men are losing power.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so more of the problem. They're just going to
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  Speaker 2: apply more of the problem and uh, and they think
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  Speaker 2: that solves it because that's always solved something or other
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  Speaker 2: in the past. It Yeah, to get to say that
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  Speaker 2: they talked about we made an attempt, was made?
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  Speaker 1: An attempt was all right. So before we get into
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  Speaker 1: the article, why don't you do the things?
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  Speaker 2: the blame of men and we can actually place some
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  Speaker 2: blame on women. You know, it's possible, we are able
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So the telegraph men portrayed as either frightening or
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  Speaker 1: pathetic in film and TV calls for a masculinity reset
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  Speaker 1: to provide boys with positive role models in popular culture.
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  Speaker 1: So now, okay, they're already so this they're setting it up.
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  Speaker 1: Why is this happening because men don't aren't They're basically
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  Speaker 1: not making as much money. I mean, that's what I
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  Speaker 1: think is going on. So all right, um, by Charles
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  Speaker 1: heimus Home Affairs editor, Men are being portrayed negatively in
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  Speaker 1: popular culture as either pathetic or frightening. Most people believe, God,
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  Speaker 1: people have it in them to actually say that what
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  Speaker 1: they're this is how other people feel.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, right off the bat. That is the
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  Speaker 2: most mealy mouthed statement. Why not just do a Why
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  Speaker 2: just do an investigation on how men are portrayed in
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  Speaker 2: media and give us the real facts, not this like
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  Speaker 2: oh people think. Because the thing is that they can
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  Speaker 2: reframe it as the people are wrong and we need
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  Speaker 2: to correct them, as opposed to taking responsibility for how
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  Speaker 2: much of this bills they have injected into the media landscape. Okay, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: A poll of more than two thousand people found that
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  Speaker 1: most believe that films, televison and adverts are failing to
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  Speaker 1: provide boys with proper role models, such as the strong,
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  Speaker 1: silent but kindly hero of previous generations, You want to
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  Speaker 1: say anything to that right off the bat.
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  Speaker 2: That are failing to provide boys with proper role models. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: this is two thousand people said, you know, this is
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  Speaker 2: not just you know, like a bunch of a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of Hickey reprobates somewhere in Alabama que the banjo twang
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of idiots said this. No, this is an
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  Speaker 2: observation of fact. And we even have executives, media executives
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  Speaker 2: saying that this is what they're doing, right this, this
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  Speaker 2: is an intentional thing that they're pursuing. I have my
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  Speaker 2: own experience. I go on Netflix and it keeps sucking
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  Speaker 2: me into like Netflix. I have a Netflix subscription, so
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  Speaker 2: I can plain about things on Netflix, but they keep
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  Speaker 2: sucking me into things like I go on Netflix and
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  Speaker 2: I see and I also watch anime on Netflix, so
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  Speaker 2: I can I guess.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like I was saying before, like there might
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  Speaker 1: be like something genuinely good that you want to watch. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that was that. There's the stuff that Netflix makes for Netflix,
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  Speaker 1: and then there's the stuff that Netflix hosts for like
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  Speaker 1: people who are doing you know, like like anime, like
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  Speaker 1: foreign films, things like that.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, so I'm I apologize to everyone, but
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  Speaker 2: I do have a Netflix account, and like I said,
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  Speaker 2: I watch anime and I watch things, and then sometimes
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  Speaker 2: Netflix managed to pop up something that looks like it
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  Speaker 2: could be okay. Right. Recently it was Nero the Assassin
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  Speaker 2: and they had like a like a an image of
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  Speaker 2: him as the main character, you know, you do the
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  Speaker 2: like a Han solo thing, like a dissolute sort of
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  Speaker 2: anti hero. And I was like, okay, that looks like
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  Speaker 2: we could have some ourselves, some adventures with this dude.
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  Speaker 2: And then I click on it. And the first thing
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  Speaker 2: I noticed, and the first thing that sort of made
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  Speaker 2: me go, hmmm, something is something stinks here is that
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  Speaker 2: they had for the actual splash page of the video
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  Speaker 2: or the show, this one eyed female character. And I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: who's what, Okay, what are the odds that this is
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  Speaker 2: gonna be the that was the decoy? Protagon is sucking
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  Speaker 2: people like me into this stupid But I said, okay,
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  Speaker 2: maybe I'm being maybe I'm being paranoid, you know, maybe
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  Speaker 2: I'm slightly paranoid. So I watched four episodes of this,
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  Speaker 2: and every single man in it was a horrible shit
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  Speaker 2: stain of a person except for the black dude who
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  Speaker 2: was a noble knight, and maybe the assassin, who is
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  Speaker 2: like a typical extremely dark anti hero, but he's just
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  Speaker 2: on the edge of villainous and you're like eh, and
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  Speaker 2: then maybe the priest. But the priest turned out to
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  Speaker 2: be tainted because he's willing to kill a kid. So
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  Speaker 2: it's like, I'm like watching all this play out, and
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  Speaker 2: the woman that I saw on the splash screen, the
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  Speaker 2: one eyed woman, ended up being a villain up to
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  Speaker 2: the fourth episode, when suddenly she switches to being the
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  Speaker 2: in the right and.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like click, like I'm misunderstood.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah I misunderstood. Yeah, tragic kind of kindna maybe yeah,
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  Speaker 2: may probably victim. And then I'm like yeah, yeaked, no more.
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  Speaker 2: I was like they sucked me into that. And then
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  Speaker 2: they did a splinter cell one where I got to
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  Speaker 2: see like this cool older spy guy doing a spy
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  Speaker 2: stuff and I was like, Okay, well this is gonna
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  Speaker 2: you know, like I can watch this and enjoy a
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  Speaker 2: male protagonist being awesome. That's all I freaking want. Just
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  Speaker 2: let's have some adventures. And then I got the rising
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  Speaker 2: feet because there's like a a acceptably mocha female character
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  Speaker 2: who's just really really awesome spy, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh God.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm like, okay, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna yeat this immediately. I'll watch the final episode,
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  Speaker 2: and I swear to god, the really cool older spy
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  Speaker 2: dude does nothing. He's absolutely useless in the final episode.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm like, no, yeaked, And it's they keep doing this,
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  Speaker 2: bet Netflix keeps And I think they know that audiences
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  Speaker 2: have this problem because I because they're framing these new
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  Speaker 2: releases in terms of, hey, hey, audience, Hey, lover of
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  Speaker 2: action heroes. You know, somebody who really likes Hans Solo
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  Speaker 2: and uh, Indiana Jones and and I don't know, maybe
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  Speaker 2: Rocky or or all of these these kinds of cool
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  Speaker 2: action heroes. Wait, who who did have a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of you know, they weren't completely in vulnerable slabs of
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  Speaker 2: muscle Luke and uh and all of that.
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  Speaker 1: The mostly ones that they claim were you know, acting
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  Speaker 1: heroes were actually very interesting and complex characters.
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  Speaker 2: That yes, exactly, Yeah, but they're doing this thing. They're
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  Speaker 2: doing these splash pages and they're like, you know, you're
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  Speaker 2: you're a person who enjoys the swash buckling hero look
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  Speaker 2: at this, and then they bait you into it. And
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  Speaker 2: Nero the Assassin has to be the most clever one
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  Speaker 2: because they they actually kept me on for four frickin'
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  Speaker 2: episodes before they shoved their fucking flapping girl Boss bullshit
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  Speaker 2: into my face, and I was like, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: they're sucking you in. So they have to know that
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  Speaker 2: people are rejecting the ship they're presenting because now they're
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  Speaker 2: putting like a skin of an actually interesting character on
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  Speaker 2: this girl Boss slop like they're they're they're they're throwing
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  Speaker 2: a hologram of an actually you know, like from Blade
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  Speaker 2: Runner for twenty forty nine, and you have a hologram
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  Speaker 2: over the green slop that he was eating or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So that's what they're doing. They're throwing a
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  Speaker 2: hologram of an actually cool male character over the girl
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  Speaker 2: Boss slop that they're offering. And so they have to
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  Speaker 2: know that people are rejecting it because now they're trying
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  Speaker 2: to disguise it. They're they're learning, but it's still shit.
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  Speaker 2: It's still like I'm like, I'm I eat it that
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  Speaker 2: like I don't want to watch it, right, And not
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  Speaker 2: only that, but I so don't want to watch this
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  Speaker 2: stuff that I've started to become irritated at classic more
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  Speaker 2: action hero women action heroes like Ripley and Sarah Conner,
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  Speaker 2: Like I'm starting to be like, I don't even know
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: if I want to watch that.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Go Back. I mean, it has a yeah, it has
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: a way of like corrupting everything like he didn retroactively. Yeah,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: it's I mean, you can. You just have to appreciate
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: it for what it was. But I think, I mean,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think you could. I would argue
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: that those movies were trying to be a bit feminist,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: but they were good enough movies that you just kind
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: of like were like, eh okay, like it was still
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: like a good story, right, like Interminator two. Everyone remembers
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: in Terminator two when Sarah Connor and the Terminator and
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: John Connor confront Miles Miles Dyson, I think, the guy
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: who ultimately will in the future create the Terminators and
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Skynet and everything, And Sarah Connor gives him this like
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: you know, writes him the riot act, like, gives him
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: this speech about men like him built the atomic bomb
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: and all that, and and a lot of people bring
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: that up. It's like, oh see, like it was like,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: you know, it was really bad, and it was like, yeah,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: but she's a crazy person in the movie and like
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: she was like on meds and stuff. But I get
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: that there was a little bit of a nod to that.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: But I think that if we I guess I'm just
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: not in favor of letting the perfect be the enemy
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: of the good. Like I think overall, like that's a
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: small thing. Terminator two is awesome. That part is a
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: bit of an eye roll moment, and there's lots of
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: eye roll moments in cinema and in television and in
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: literature probably like for as long as those things have existed.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: So some of it I think you can just sort
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: of say, eh, okay, like, you know, that's dumb because
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: men didn't just make the atomic bomb and war. We
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: also built like civilization, you know, and modern conveniences and
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: all of the things that you know, we benefit from.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: And this kind of like this whole attitude is kind
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: of weird, like this anti you know, I don't know
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: it anti present day stuff because it's very much cherry
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: picking things, you know, but anyway, I think there might be.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: I think there might be an error being thrown up. Okay,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: so yeah, there's an error if somebody tried.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: To act that.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, not on on the the uh, it's on
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: word press. So it's an error accessing the actual like
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: the mini funder.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna have.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: To fix that, guys. So I'm not sure if i'll
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I can see if I'm able to fix this, it's
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: gonna be very difficult. With my cat making a nuisance
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: of herself. There was something I wanted to add to
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: what you had to say in terms of the historical
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: what's happening historically, Well, there was there's a shift that
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: happened in depiction of female characters. So you have ripley
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: of Sarah Connor. You also have like a plethora of
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: interesting female characters in science fiction. I'm thinking, for example,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Signey Mallory Uh from CJ. Sheryl's Down Below Station, Like
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: she was a really interesting character. However, what was different
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: was that they were dealing with external forces, so they
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: were held being held to external standards, and they didn't
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: imbue the moral arbit arbitration of the story. So in
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: other words, they weren't the ones acting, and then also
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: judging the worth of the acting of of of the
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: actions taken. So in in stories, you usually have somebody
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: who's taking action, and then you have a standard that
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: you judge that action be by. Now, the classic would
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: be like a shown in sports story, So that's an
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: anime that that covers like sports teams competing, and the
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: external standard is, of course winning the cup, right, the
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: season cup or whatever, you know, winning the finals, the
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: game of the season. But if you're having more com
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: women when winning the championship, and if you have a
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: more complicated morally complicated story where things like actions have
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: effects on a greater world, then you would have the
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: people taking those actions, and then you would have something
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: that reflects the worth of those actions. So you might
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: have the town that needs to be saved, the world
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: that needs to be prevented from being swallowed by the
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: held dimension or whatever. So you have this external stakes,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: and the external stakes would usually be embodied by vulnerable
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: people being victimized by whatever the big bad is, not
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: the heroes themselves, So there's this separation between the heroes
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: and what they save, right, And in a lot of
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: new feminist fiction, there is no separation. So the woman
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: is both the hero and the person who's the actions
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: are judged by. So she's the hero and the one
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: being saved. Right, she is the hero and the one
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: who judges her own heroic actions as appropriate or valuable.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: So women are both the heroic agent and the moral
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: arbiters just and when they do that, they collapse the narrative,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: the tension. The narrative tension to nothing because it's like
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: watching somebody who's playing a sport but also refereeing the
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: sport and deciding when they're getting a goal, and the
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: only purpose of the opposite team is to cheer them on,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: So there's no narrative tension. So these former I guess
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: you could say somewhat feminist characters were still playing by
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: old narrative rules that you don't embody the person taking
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: action and the person judging that action in the same person. Ever, Right,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: you don't do that because that kills any kind of tension.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: So they still have that in those stories, and that
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: created interesting female characters. For example, one of the ways
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: that C. J. Cheryl is establishing stakes and down below
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: station as Mallory, who is part of this intergalactic war
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: has actually engaged in some very well war crimey behavior
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: towards a prisoner of war from the other side, and
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: there is some contest over who gets ultimate custody of
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: this guy, and she's she's done some very unsavory things
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: to him. So part of the whole stakes of the
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: story is whether or not he's going to be able
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: to escape her, or whether or not he's going to
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: be permanently damaged by what she did to him. So
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: you can see that this is this this is not
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: the same thing that they do today at all. Even
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: having a female character be have her morality be judged
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: by its effect on a male character. They don't do that,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: and it's they make much poorer stories because of it,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: It's yeah this thing, Yeah, no, it is. That's why
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I'm saying it is definitely different. That's that's the reason. Okay,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: So instead those questions say, men are presented as either hapless,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: ineffectual people characterized by Daddy Pig from Pepa Pig, Homer
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Simpson and family guys Peter Griffin, or monstrous figures such
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: as Jamie Dornan, serial killer Paul Specter in The Fall,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know what that. I don't know what that is.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Is is this the what is this the Independent? The Telegraph?
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Is this is an English thing? Right? Yeah? I think so, okay,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: maybe that's maybe the fall is like something the show
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: because I don't watch anything anymore serial killer show or
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: serial thriller. Sorry, all right. The study by Center for
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Social Justice calls for a masculinity reset. So the study
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: by a center by the Center for Social Justice calls
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: for a masculinity reset in which male and female equalities
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: are treated positively and equally by the mass media. I
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: don't like that. This doesn't sound at all like it's
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: encouraging creativity. So they got like some group. Let me
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: see who the Center for Social Justice is. The Center
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: for Social Justice, I'm just gonna look it up. Is
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: an independent award winning would it? I'm curious about Let
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: me share this screen real quick. An independent award winning
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: organization that puts social justice at the heart of British politics.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: The CSJSON is for those living in the poorest and
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: most disadvantaged communities across Britain to be given any opportunity
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: to flourish and reach their full potential. We bring this
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: vision to life by seeking it influence the policy the
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: governm creates and the laws it makes such that it
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: does all it can to address the root causes of poverty.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: What what does that have to do with men in media? Okay,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: so they have a men in culture publication. Let me
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: see csj's Lost Boys State of the Nation report launched
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: a nationwide discussion on why so many boys are filling
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: at school and dropping out of the workforce. It asked
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: questions of how we mentor role model young men, both
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: in our homes and wider communities. It asks why so
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: many men are dying young and filling our prisons? Okay,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: so I don't am I? Am I going too far afield?
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Should I go back to the article?
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: No, you're fine? Okay, So I gave you all a
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: link and apparently the well that explains why nobody was
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: putting anything through. Currently, you can't actually select an option,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: So I got to fix that. So I'll fix that
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: and then we'll do that over again on a future date.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: If I can fix that, I might have to actually
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: call contact dream host and say something is wrong. What
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: is going wrong? Please please tell me? All right, So
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I'm going to set that aside because I gotta focus
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: on this. But no, let's just get back to the
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: get back to I don't think that you went off
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: topic too much. Let's get back to the article though.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh yeah, I mean I I just wanna okay,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is the These are the people that
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: are calling for change, so they're getting like an organization.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: It does, it's it says it's independent, but doesn't sound
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: independent to me to step in and say we need
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: to have mail, we need to call for a vascularity
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: reset in which male and female qualities are treated positively
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: and equally by the mass media. Now, of course, I
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: guess it makes sense because Britain's media is government media,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: isn't it. I mean it's BBC and stuff like that,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: and I believe that's a government organism, you guys. Let
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: me know. I don't know how British media works, but
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: that's what I think. But anyway, okay, in uh, let's
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: continue with the next paragraph. The research is part of
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: the think tank's Wider Lost Boy Study. Oh that was
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: what I was just looking at, which published in its
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: first report in March twenty twenty five. This found women
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: and girls age sixteen to twenty four in both white
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: collar and blue collar jobs were earning nearly ten percent
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: more on average than their male peers. The number of
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: males aged sixteen to twenty four who are not in education,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: employment or training that's neat, I guess, increased by compared
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: to just seven percent of female since the pandemic.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we all said that we wanted this, right,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: We're all like girl power, the future is female. Go
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: girl boss. Let's give them female only scholarship and educational
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: opportunities and also job opportunities. And suddenly women are earning
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: more that that is what you wanted to have happen. Okay,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: this is this we are now at that we have
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: arrived at the stated goal. Okay, we've arrived at the
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: stated goal. And the only way to stop this can
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: to continue from happening, is we've got to stop it.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: You know, like we're we're we're doing something we are
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. We're stacking bricks, right,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: We're stacking the girl power bricks, and we're stacking those bricks.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: And now we have a gigantic wall that boys are
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: are unable to get through. And then we're sitting there
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: and we're saying, well, what do we do? How do
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: we fix this? Well, you stop stacking girl power bricks,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: and in fact, you may want to consider pulling some
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: of the bricks down right, getting rid of them. That's
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: how you do. But that's not I don't I haven't
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: read this article all the way through, but I suspect
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: that's not going to be identified as a potential solution.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Stop doing the thing that we're doing that's causing the
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: problem is not going to be identified as a solution.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Don't spoil it for me, Brian, I just haven't.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't read it. I don't know,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I haven't ready. All right, so I'm going in blind.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: I know it exists, that's all.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, when we conjecture these things, we often
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: don't know. We're giving you the opportunity to attest our
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: the predictive abilities. I guess, but I'm predicting that this
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: never ever, in this entire thing, will they say, Hey,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: there's a problem as a result of the things we're doing,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: let's stop doing those things. Let's try that. It's too obvious.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: It's a trap.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, So the number of males, the number of
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: males who are not in education. Employment of training increased
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: by forty percent compared to just seven percent of females
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: since the pandemic. The CSJ argues that a generation of
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: young men are facing far worse outcomes than young women
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: in education and beyond, falling further behind by virtually every yardstick,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: while changing social attitudes leaving leave them feeling isolated.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, changing social attitudes? What attitudes have changed?
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder what that mean.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: What attitudes have The attitudes around men's worth in relation
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: to achievement and money making money? Have those changed? The
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: answer is no, they have not changed. What's changed is
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: we no longer we are now actively we're actively privileging
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: girls in those situations while handicapping boys while still holding
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: them to the same standard of the yesteryear. So, while
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: they are handicapped, these boys are still expected to take
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: the lead in terms of protection and provision for girls.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: That social attitude hasn't changed. Everything else has changed, but
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: that one hasn't. Boys are still expected to perform their role.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: They just get no assistance from nobody from doing so.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: We won't even tell girls, Hey, maybe you should update
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: what you desire in boys. Maybe you should make it
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: a little bit less onerous in terms of protection and provision. No, no,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: and we're just gonna add something that we didn't have
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: in the past, he said. This is the thing, like,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: there's nothing has changed about women's desires. They still want
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: to be taken care of, but somehow they want men
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: not to take care of them while not making them
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: feel like they're being taken care of. Good luck, And
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: that that is the vaunted what I keep hearing from
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: from women is that's the emotional the the emotional evolution
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: that they want in men that men have failed to achieve,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: which is to be able to provide fully for a
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: woman but make her feel independent at the same time.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Why can't you do that, guys? Like, and we don't.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: We don't look at that and say, hey, maybe at
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: some point we got to stop judging men by by
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: living up to standards that are insane, and maybe judge
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: women a little for not living up to standards that
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: are actually quite reasonable. Like but no, no, no, let's
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: keep doing the problem. Let's keep doing the things that
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: create the problem. Surely that will fix the problem. Surely, Okay,
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: yeah it won't.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: And don't call me. Surely Okay, so I thought I
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: would look at well, let me read more of this,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: but I think that it's interesting that they're calling for
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: a kind of like think tank slash state intervention for
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: a social problem. Yeah, that's that. I'm just it just
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: sounds like a let's say, ah, like a placebo seeking
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: a sickness, and the sickness is itself needs to be
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: addressed a different way, but no one in the UK,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: apparently at least not the government, wants to address it.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: So they're just changing the media around. It's like, okay,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: rearranging the rearranging the furniture on the sinking Titanic, I
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: guess is what we're doing. But anyway, the phenomenon was
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: highlighted by a Less, the award winning drama that told
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: the story of Jamie, a thirteen year old boy who's
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: fall into the online, misogynistic world of the so called
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: manisphere led to violence and murder of a girl. The
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: poll found that three fifths of people felt that the
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: media tendant to portray men at extremes as either wimpy
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: or excessively masculine. Not o king.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: We should probably we should. Probably I haven't been telling
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: you this, but we should probably stop in between paragraphs. Okay,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: adolescence was a complete fiction again, and I know it
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: was fictional, but it was complete fiction. At the same time,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: there was nothing factual in adolescence. He came from the
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: demographic least likely to engage in violence at least likely.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: And I don't mean white. I mean he had a
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: father who cared about him. Like that is not where
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: the problem lies in society. It's not where the problem lies.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: The problem lies with another configuration of family, which actually
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: isn't something that's possible in the natural world, which is
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: a single mother. Humans were not meant to be single mothers.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: That's why we're so useless at it. Like there, which
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: just doesn't work for us. And in the wild, there's
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: no way a woman would even be able to get
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: the nutritional quality, the nutritional amount to actually become fertile
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: without an extended kin network. People don't know that, Like,
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: it's actually extremely difficult to keep women in a condition
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: where they are fertile, and there's probably a reason for it,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: and that reason is you don't have children outside of
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: extended kin networks like we're doing right. We don't have
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: children without an involved father and usually that doesn't work
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: really well either. Usually need an involved father and his
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: family to provide real but unfortunately we don't have those
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: natural conditions limiting how many fertile females they are, so
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: we have this completely artificial scenario where kids are not
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: being raised with sufficient social resources to actually attain a
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: cognitive adulthood, like a real cognitive adulthood, pro social cognitive adulthood.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: So instead they remain morally immature, and then you get
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: the high volume of murderers, rapists, thieves, general miscreants, and
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: also radicals who want to destroy society, all from that
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: lack of socialization, which single mother is. That's the primary
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: that's the primary harvest. That is the primary product of
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: single mothers is dysfunctional children. And no, I'm not going
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: to qualify that. I'm tired of flattering when and making
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: them feel good about themselves. This is a very toxic
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: way of raising children. Now, if you had a man
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: who said who married you and then was like, yes,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: let's have children, I will totally be part of those
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: children's lives, and that man just disappeared like a fart
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: and hurricane someday, you know, yeah, sure, I feel bad
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: for you. How many single mothers does that apply to?
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: How many single mothers had had somebody who didn't just
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: say one day, you know, like in a drunken fit, hey,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: I really like you, but actually was like, yes, let's
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: go to the courtroom and sign on the dotted line.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Let's make this official. Yes, I want children. I'm gonna
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: go out there and buy a little baby baby booties
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: with you. And then suddenly, I don't know, year three,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: he just disappears. How many of you can say that
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: you are the ones who deserve sympathy the rest of you,
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: And the fact is that we are. We are dealing
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: with serious problems as a result of giving women this choice.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Okay and uh not, and and celebrating no matter what
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: they choose. Right, So this is the thing I wanted
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: to I was gonna bring up what you brought up.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: You will. Divorce rates in the UK are trending down,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: but they were.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: What I accidentally poked her in the eye. Well, I
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: mean she I had my thumb out like this, right,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: and then she turned into it.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they they so divorce rates are trending down. They
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: were higher, but they've they've been trending downward. However, the
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: you know, we know the fertility rate is down as
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: well for let's say, well for the native British population,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: not the newcomers. And also fotherowlessness is a big problem
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: in the UK as well. There is a the breakdown
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: in family is a big problem. So, like, the thing is,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: you have boys growing up, they don't have a person
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: in their life to model their their let's say, behaviors on.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: They don't have a father that's involved. It also affects
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: the girls too, they don't have a model to look
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: at in other men. And this is something that could
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: be solved if you know, let's say, I don't know,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: they they worked on shared custody or some other laws
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: to sort of reform so that, you know, single moms
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: are not as prevalent. And granted in the UK, it's
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: not as bad as it is in I don't think
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: it's as bad as it is in the US, for example,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: but it's still I think an issue that is creating
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: these troubled kids, especially boys. Yeah, man deserts exactly. And
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: so like the the thing that is interesting about this
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: is that the show Adolescence takes the scenario that is
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: the least likely likely to produce a murderous boy, and
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: they make it the case like that, like it basically becomes, oh, yeah,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: you want your your son to like become a misogynistic
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: red pillar and kill a girl in school while put
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: a father in the home, like they've literally the opposite
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: is true. And and that's interesting because the person who
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: wrote that story could have picked any kind of family
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: arrangement he wanted, and he chose that one. Mm hm.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: And so like the I think that that the problem
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: isn't even so much that I don't know, like there's
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: only a few different archetypes of men, and yes they're
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: not positive. I mean that is a problem, but maybe
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: like just you're literally just creating, you know, war propaganda
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: against men in your content, like that show which was
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: showed in parliament and Cara Starmer talked about it, called
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: it a documentary. The Prime Minister called it a documentary,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: said we got to act on this like that's that's
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: propaganda actually doing what it's supposed to do. And then
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: the government gets behind it like it's real. So like
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: this is like extremely anti mail and anti family what's
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: coming out here? And so I don't see if the
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: if the CSJ is saying that we need some balance.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Are they going to say, like, go out and make
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: a statement saying the content like this is is absolutely
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: anti mail, like one hundred percent. This isn't even real.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: The truth is the opposite of this, like you know, no,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: of course they're not.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, of course not. But I will you know,
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: I for whatever reason, the that particular fundraiser is not working.
• 46:05
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• 46:13
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• 46:14
  Speaker 1: I did get there.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: They're very interesting.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: That one Albatross, thank you. Albatross just gave us five
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: dollars and says these media depictions will never change until
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: a large portion of people see that much of critical
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: intersectional theory is anti mail and anti relationship and anti heteronormativity.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: They're trying to fix the problem without actually addressing what
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: that's what's where these attitudes come from. Uh yeah, well
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: they're not what they're doing now. I think what they're
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: going to call for is another prediction I'm making based
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: on how far I've read into this article. They're basically saying, well,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: we do a lot of you know, anti male propaganda.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: We need more fairness. How about we do like some
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: neutral mail propaganda. Maybe maybe not all the men are bad.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Maybe some of the poor men, the gay men, the
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: black men. Maybe those guys will be better guys because
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: they they've already been doing that, even though a lot
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: of times those men end up getting shit on for
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: a different reason. So maybe they're just gonna like pump
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: the brakes a bit. But I don't think they're going
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: to actually say, you know, none of this is authentic.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: That's the problem with it, Like none of it feels real,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: you know, like stories can be untrue, not like fictional
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: in terms of like their actual like I don't know realism,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: but can say something true about like us, about our
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: lived experience as humans. And these don't do either of
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: those things. They're just agit prompt.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: So yes, exactly, all right. So I want to give
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: a big thank you to Ajax because he managed to
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: get through. I don't know how he did it, but
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: he managed to get to the actual fundraiser and puts
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: some think through. Congratulations. Not only did you give us
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: twenty five dollars, you also managed to navigate my mess,
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: So thank you double kudos to you, Ajax. You certainly
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: live up to your name. So yeah, that that and uh,
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: I guess we'll read a bit more or I could. Yeah,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: we'll do read a bit more.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: A similar fifty seven percent said that the male role
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: models in popular culture were less masculine than those in
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: past generations. Two thirds said that boys lacked proper role
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: models across popular culture. So yes, I mean I think that, like,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: first of all, in a way, we don't have the
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: same stars that we used to have, like we have
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: like today we have like what Ryan Gosling, Chris Pratt
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: and all the in these MCU guys, Chris Helmsworth, Chris Evans,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: the Chris is right. I like Chris Pratt, but but uh,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: but the thing is he's more of a comedy guy.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: You know, he's always he was always a comedy guy.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: He just happened to be like getting good shape for
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: a movie. And so they were like, you're an action
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: guy now. But a lot of these guys are not
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: the greatest actors or they're getting really old. So like
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: when I was growing up, like the people that people like,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: people like Bruce Willis and Kurt Russell and Schwarzenegger, and Stallone.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: They were like really charming though, right, and and also
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: at like every guy who played James Bond, which of
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: course they've This is another thing. This is this is
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: the UK, right. They have just thrown James Bond out completely.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: I don't even blame Daniel Craig. It wasn't his fault,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: you know, and they just they just hated him and
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: so they got rid of it. It was like the one
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: guy that they had, you know, and they won't they
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: won't tell good stories about like some of the rich
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: cultural properties that the England has, like Robin Hood or
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: King Arthur and his Knights, you know, Sherlock Holmes. Like
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: everything's been distorted. They've done like Robinhood of different versions,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: but it's not it's not authentic, Like it's just some
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: weird I don't know, copy or parody and those are
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: those are those stories? I think boys like they draw
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: from that stuff, you know. So I don't know, but like, yeah,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: I think it's true. I think the attack on James
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Bond is a big one though. That was like he
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: was an icon for the UK. So okay, all right,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: I got a super a rumble rant, sorry rumble rant
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: from Noble twenty one. Yeah, and he says it's the UK.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: They would rather throw their own men under the bus
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: while letting their women get grape by the Third world
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: and then play dumb when it's too late. Rumble hates
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: grape without the g Thank you, Noba fan appreciate the
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: rumble rant. Okay, let me see the poll found that.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Oh wait, no, I'm sorry, Yeah, I already read that part.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: A similar set fifty seven percent said that male role
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: models in popular culture well, and I already read that
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: part too. Sorry. When asked an open ending question about
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: which characteristics they would enjoy seeing in male characters on
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: film and TV, fifty seven percent said, honestly, respect and
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: family values substantially higher than any other attribute. So okay,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: so they pulled people and they wanted family like they
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: wanted like family values in their shows.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Well, you're not going to get it because that would
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: require actual fathers. Yeah, father patriarchy. So you didn't think
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: it was you didn't think that, you like, people didn't
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: think that when feminists went after fathers or patriarchy, they
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: actually meant fathers like that that was the end game, guys,
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: No fathers, all right.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: It is an interesting that they go after like this
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: kind of like you know, extra machiese mo, like, I
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: don't know, muscle action dudes that smoke cigars and explode
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: buildings and walk away cool, And they think that's what
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: they're attacking. But when they ask people what they want,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: they're just like, yeah, i'd like a dad in the story.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: And a lot of these action hero guys I just
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: talked about were dads. Like die Hard a Christmas movie.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: By the way, Bruce Willis's character is a father and
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: he's basically just going through a separation in the movie
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: and at the end he gets back with his wife.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: That's like the heart of the story. So like they
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: they attack a cardboard stand up straw man of what
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: they think men like, and it turns out that men
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: just want to see involved dads. Yeah, and family values, right,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: mm hmmm. I don't know. It's a no, it is.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: It is interesting, mm hmm. But that's the problem. In
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: order to have family values and that kind of masculinity,
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: you actually have to have a father in your story.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: And guess what they're not going to do.
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Also, they want honesty and respect too, and that's another
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: thing that I don't think a lot of modern media has.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like what men like to see, like
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: you know, a sense of honor, merit, hierarchy to some
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: degree in the story. And they don't get that like that.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: You know what the hot show is right now? I
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: don't know how popular it is, but there's this show
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: with Kim Kardashian in it. Have you heard about this?
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Don't?
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's bad, Like I forget. I think it's called
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: All's Fair and there it's like a bunch of girl
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: boss lawyer women that they basically the whole show is
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: women just backbiting each other and like you know, blackmailing
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: each other and like you're just like screwing each other over.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: It's like mean girls, but like high flying, like insane. Yeah,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: it's on Hulu, which unsurprisingly is Hulu is owned by Disney.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: But it's like the most it's like the most unlikable
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: evil women and they're just going and they're the main
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: characters of this and all the men are like scumbags
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: just like completely worthless and that and that's like men
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: don't want to watch that. Men. Men want to watch
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: stories with like you know, like like Showgun that that
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: was the last big thing I got into.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Showgun was good and that actually interestingly enough, you
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: could argue that they made the one woman sammar like
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: from the samurai class. Yeah, but they made her more
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: of the protagonists. But it worked because again, she was
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: fighting for something larger than herself. Yeah, and she was
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: willing to sacrifice for it for her lord, so that
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: that's not what you're allowed to do in in Western
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: like in a lot of Western fiction. So she was
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: an interesting character just because of how far she took
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: her loyalty to her lord and and yeah, and and
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: the dynamic between the two. But uh, but it was
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: a really good movie because of that, because they didn't
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: make her both the ultra powerful actor and the moral
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: arborator all.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: She was a very complex character.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: That very believable. Yea, yeah, okay, let's uh, let's yeah,
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: they were were And they even made the guy who
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: was dealing with I think PTSD. But he was also
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: very abusive, like he was explosively abusive. Yes, yes, yeah,
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: they even made him sympathetic, which was really he was.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: He was the husband's yeah, like it was an arranged thing. Yeah,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: that guy, he was an arranged I thought he was
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: going to be a rival, but he turned out to
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: be very likable, you know, yeah, fight his flaws you well.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: But there was also a strong implication that his flaws
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: were as a result of post traumatic stress syndrome.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he was.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: He was struggling with some stuff, but he was. Yeah,
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: he was very sympathetic, and I think there are some
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: scenes with him that people misinterpret entirely. But that is
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: that is a off topic.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, digression question. Uh No. I read that David Gandhi,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: one of the world's most successful male models, said, I
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: noticed when my daughter started watching Pepa Pig how the
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: father treated like a bungling fool who gets it wrong
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: while the mom gets everything right. I've never seen Pepa Pig,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: but I don't. I'm not, and it's sad because it
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: is like a kids show, right, so this is about
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: early they put this stuff in. I don't think it
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: was like I remember in the past. Hell, even Steven Universe.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: I think the dad on there wasn't like, wasn't garbage.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: But yeah, all right. I like to empower my girls
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: and teach them about powerful women and what they have achieved.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: But men are just as important, and we have to
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: shout about what's being achieved by them too? Wow, very
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: safe answer. But first of all, guys, allow me to
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: do a land acknowledgement. Women are awesome. They're great. I
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: have a couple of dog I think women are the
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: bee's knees. But do you mind if we also kind
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: of treat men a little better? That's okay? But oh women, though, women,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: I know, we we gotta we gotta, I know, we
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: got we got a lot of problems. We gotta address that.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: We gotta talk about it constantly. As a matter of fact,
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: even now, as I'm talking about men, I'm gonna talk
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: about women a little bit just so that we're all clear.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: I don't hate them. Okay, all right, women are awesome.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Let's also talk about but women are awesome. I'm sorry.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: I know that he's just being like again, I think
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: it's just it's not even fear. I think it's just
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: people are just programmed to have that reaction, like they
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: just immediately just go into you know, like the programming
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: just says, acknowledge women first, and then you can get
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: to the thing you want to talk about. You know.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's ridiculous. And also women are not awesome. No, no,
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: I gonna I'm just gonna sit here and just not
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: qualify that. I'm just gonna stay here, make everybody. I'm
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: just gonna sit here and stare and just make everyone
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: feel uncomfortable.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: I just gotta do it.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: I could just feel everyone cringing right now. All right,
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: let's move on, all right.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Baroness Nicky Morgan, the former Culture Secretary and new chair
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: of the Advertising Standards Authority, said quote, if people only
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: ever hear about misogyny, sexualists and violence by men towards women,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: no doubt it's going to affect how boys are seen.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: Are you kidding? Have you considered that? Have you guys
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: considered that that? Then people might start perceiving people a
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: certain way if you keep telling them this.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: I have a solution for you. Of course, it doesn't
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: work in the UK because you've got like archaic laws
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: around rape.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah you could literally, yeah, there's that.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you could just be transparent and tell everyone about
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: how high the rate of women and girls engaging in
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: sexual assault actually is. Right, you could actually accept those numbers, right,
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: because it's it is. Let me put it this way,
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: it is impossible for the CDC that is the center
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: of disease control to find three years in a row
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: parody and sexual assault victimization with significant amounts of that
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: victimization done by women to men. It is impossible for
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: that to have happened and there to be an actual,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: significant asymmetry in perpetration between men and women. It's impossible.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: This reality is one in which men and women perpetrate
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: sexual assault at roughly the same amounts on the opposite sex.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: That is reality. That is the reality we live in.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: What you guys could do is acknowledge that, stop pushing
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: ideological science, and then boys won't feel like they're singled
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: out and we would actually be embracing a truth about
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: our natures. But you're not gonna do that because making
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: boys scapegoats may makes you money, which is why we're
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: at where we're at. Oh yeah, all right, Oh, I
• 1:01:10
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• 1:01:13
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• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: Spikey, Thank you spikey. Maybe I can call them helmet.
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  Speaker 1: How people are portrayed in the media undoubtedly shaped society's
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  Speaker 1: view of them. The challenge has been getting online platforms
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  Speaker 1: to accept they are publishers with responsibility for content in
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  Speaker 1: a way that TV, radio, cinema, newspapers and magazines accepted
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  Speaker 1: decades ago. The challenge is getting online platforms to accept
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  Speaker 1: they are publishers with responsibility. See, I don't know. There's
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  Speaker 1: something about this whole ministry of media thing. I don't
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  Speaker 1: like it. Even if they're claiming that they want to
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  Speaker 1: give us something that I'm in favor of, I really
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  Speaker 1: just want people to do it organically, and I think
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  Speaker 1: that it's actually got more let's say, staying power if
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  Speaker 1: it does come from the bottom up from people who
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  Speaker 1: like genuinely make content. That's you know, that because they
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  Speaker 1: they want to make it because they think it's good,
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  Speaker 1: because they like the authenticity of whatever the story is,
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  Speaker 1: whether it is you know, I don't know, Like I
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  Speaker 1: don't even want to say pro mail, just kind of
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  Speaker 1: like aspirational, you know, or something like something inspiring. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that you can get that from a bureaucracy.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's my only issue with that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, So I want again thank you Spikey
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  Speaker 2: for for getting through that maze. I can actually give
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  Speaker 2: you a link that you can put in the low bar,
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  Speaker 2: so if you, if you guys want to go directly
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  Speaker 2: to it, it is keep Dash Alison Dash. Sane. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: so I actually feed the Badger dot com slash projects
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  Speaker 2: slash keep Dash Alison Dash. Saye, and I'll give Brian
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  Speaker 2: the link to and thank you to Spike Jacks. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: thank you to Spicy and Ajax. I know, Spicy Spicy Ajax.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you you guys. You guys went the the over
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  Speaker 2: and above there, over and above to try to locate
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  Speaker 2: the place to find to put to put the funds in.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, I just sent it to you, so
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 1: Brian's it's in. You just got to refresh and it'll
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  Speaker 1: be there if.
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  Speaker 2: The chat there.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, got it. Okay, it's in the bar.
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  Speaker 2: It's in the chat.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I see it. Yep. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I won't bother putting it in the special chat because
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  Speaker 2: you guys are too special for that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, everybody in there let me see.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's only a few people. For some reason,
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  Speaker 2: YouTube has decided that it doesn't want to give us,
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  Speaker 2: make us viral anymore or whatever it was doing well.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes it happens. You just don't know.
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  Speaker 2: So it's yeah, it's just like lightning. Yeah what, it's
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: just like it just like it hits like lightning. Like
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  Speaker 2: you're just like, oh, okay, well today your show is
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: going to be super popular for no apparent reason that
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  Speaker 2: you can ever actually reverse engineer into anything. The algorithm.
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  Speaker 2: God has blessed you, bless you, my child. You shall
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  Speaker 2: have some shorts popularity.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so uh no, it's fine. Neil Brand,
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  Speaker 1: a playwright, composer of film scores and radio for Film Critics, said, quote,
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  Speaker 1: there is a sense that men and boys are growing
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  Speaker 1: up with a society that is disempowering them. I think
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  Speaker 1: cinema has led this charge, even if it's only reflecting
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  Speaker 1: what society is doing a okay, yeah, I think that's
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  Speaker 1: Some people say this is like ever since me too
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. I think that it is the cinema or
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  Speaker 1: like our culture is trying to reflect what it thinks
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  Speaker 1: is happening in the real world. But I think it's
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  Speaker 1: actually perpetuating it. And they and they get it from,
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  Speaker 1: you know, what they learned in their when they go
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  Speaker 1: to film school, they learn it from their teachers. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they get it from the media that they're that they're
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  Speaker 1: kind of like, uh, trying to like take inspiration from
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  Speaker 1: like if oh, I grew up and I loved Mary
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  Speaker 1: Tyler Moore, and you know Mary Tyler Moore was a
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  Speaker 1: big old feminist in her day. But I'm gonna emulate
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  Speaker 1: her because you know, she's my hero or whatever it is, right,
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  Speaker 1: So it's kind of like a self perpetuating machine. And
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  Speaker 1: so it's hard. It's like a chicken or an egg
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  Speaker 1: argument in a way. But yeah, it's been going on
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  Speaker 1: for a while. Okay, feminism and the hashtag me too
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  Speaker 1: movement of the last twenty or thirty years has been
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  Speaker 1: incredibly important and necessary. Here's more of that land acknowledgement.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I just I just like it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: the last time that feminists stabbed men, you know, that
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  Speaker 2: was absolutely important and necessary?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, bab men again?
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  Speaker 2: And then you know instantly they go that what's the
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  Speaker 2: next hash to tag men dead? Men dead? Was absolutely necessary.
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  Speaker 2: It was absolutely necessary to tell all men that they
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  Speaker 2: should all be dead in the world would be better off.
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  Speaker 2: But can we stop now? Can feminists stop stabbing men? Now? Uh?
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  Speaker 2: Men should have been dead? Yesterday was absolutely necessary, but
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  Speaker 2: men's remaining. Ye, well, he's not saying that. These individuals
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  Speaker 2: who say the last time that feminists stabbed men was
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  Speaker 2: absolutely necessary, are gonna say the same thing even if
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: they say, well, but feminism should stop now, right, this
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  Speaker 2: is this is going, it's now, it's too far. The
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  Speaker 2: next time feminism goes even further, they're what they're what
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  Speaker 2: are they gonna say, guys, They're gonna say, that was
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  Speaker 2: absolutely necessary, but let's not go any further. And then
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  Speaker 2: when feminism goes a step further, they're gonna say that
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  Speaker 2: step was absolutely necessary, but let's not go any further.
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  Speaker 2: And then when feminism goes a step further, what are
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: they gonna say? That step was absolutely necessary, but let's
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: not go any further. So they're always caping for feminists,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: even though people who say that they're criticizing feminists, they're
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: caping for feminists because they're always signing off on the
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  Speaker 2: last thing that feminists did you know me too? Oh
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  Speaker 2: that might have been, that was good, that was port
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  Speaker 2: and that was vital? Really was it? It wasn't not
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  Speaker 2: if it didn't include an acknowledgment of how much sexual
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: harassment and abuse women were also doing. Right, that's the
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: that's the conversation we need to have right now. That
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  Speaker 2: wasn't being had, was it. It was just another way
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  Speaker 2: of scapegoating men and boys to make money, which these
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  Speaker 2: these people who are part of these feminist NGOs are
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  Speaker 2: openly admitting. They're openly admitting that this narrative makes them money.
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  Speaker 2: They're saying it, and then these people are signing off
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  Speaker 2: on it, like the way the feminist NGOs are like
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  Speaker 2: out there saying things like yes, a good year, it's
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  Speaker 2: a good year for our wallets, good year, good crop
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: of me too, accusations and people like this, they're like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that was really important. It was really important that those
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  Speaker 2: feminist NGO board members get their million dollar fricking kickbacks
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  Speaker 2: from all their NGOs that they're part of. That was
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: really important. And then the woman on the ground has
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: a worse time in business, but it was really important
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: to do that, really important, and men are suffering, of course,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: everyone is suffering, but it was really important to make
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  Speaker 2: sure feminist feminist NGOs CEOs of NGOs got their money
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the year. That was really important.
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  Speaker 2: That was yeah, feel edified, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: All right, what it has meant is that the less
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  Speaker 1: able and less socially responsible writers and filmmakers have gone
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  Speaker 1: for the obvious story. If you're talking about women being empowered,
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  Speaker 1: which is that the men have to lose that power
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  Speaker 1: and that the balance can't be struck between the two.
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  Speaker 1: Well yeah, gah, like yeah, I mean like this guy.
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  Speaker 2: But here's the thing. Yes, you're gonna have to take
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  Speaker 2: well power away from men, or at least the you're
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: gonna have to take positive regard and media away from
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: men to make women look better by comparison, because you're
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: always wanting to make women better by comparison. Like, anything
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  Speaker 2: you can sacrifice of men, you put on women. Because
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: that's the point. Everything is judged by supposedly benefiting women,
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  Speaker 2: even if it doesn't according to feminist conjecture of what
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: benefits women, right, even if it doesn't benefit women, We're
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  Speaker 2: gonna do that because it makes women look better relative
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  Speaker 2: to men. So ultimately, you're gonna sacrifice everything, every positive
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  Speaker 2: depiction of men in service of raising women up. That's
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  Speaker 2: what's gonna happen. That's what we chose to do, and
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: that is what we have done. Oh okay, and then
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  Speaker 2: the last line is just Okay, if.
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  Speaker 1: You have somehow or other, it requires shitty men for
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: women to be shown achieving what it is they should
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  Speaker 1: be achieving what. Oh I see. So he's saying that
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  Speaker 1: we can like empower women without shitting on men. No,
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  Speaker 1: but that's you can't because.
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  Speaker 2: Everything that you give men is something you could have
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  Speaker 2: given women. Right. Let's imagine like we're in a fantasy
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  Speaker 2: epic and the man gets the green sword of Ultimate Truth. Well,
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  Speaker 2: that's wrong because it could have been given to a woman.
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  Speaker 2: A man has this particular skill set, Well that's wrong
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: because it could have been given to a woman. A
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  Speaker 2: man fulfills a particular role, Well, that's wrong, it could
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: have been given to a woman. That's how it works.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: Everything goes to women. What does that leave men being nothing,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: being an idiot, or being the villain? Yep, right, that's
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: if everything goes to women. And that's the thing. Like,
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  Speaker 2: it's if you want to show women being the future,
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  Speaker 2: if you want to show women being the sex that's
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: unencumbered by human evil, because you know, toxic masculinity is
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: basically just human evil and only men do it. Right,
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  Speaker 2: If you want to show women as the superior sex,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: there has to be an inferior sex. So what the
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: hell is he talking about? Like, you cannot empower women
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  Speaker 2: in this way without making men inferior. But you know,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: the next thing that feminists insists have to be taken
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: for men, that's okay, But the thing after that, that's
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  Speaker 2: where we're gonna We're gonna be drawing the line for
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: real this time, guys. We're not just gonna sign off
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: on the next thing that feminists do, where we're for
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  Speaker 2: real gonna draw the line this far and no further.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's the end of that article. So yeah,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: no solutions are offered. And even when I went to
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: the website and I looked at the uh that that
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: group Center for Social Justice, and all they said was
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: basically what this um government. They're just like, well, we well,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: I guess this is a thing we should probably look at.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: We're going to look into it. You know. That's what's
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: where they are right now. We'll look into everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Give them two hundred million or twenty million, and they'll
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: look into it, and they'll write up a report and
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: they'll put it on the desk of a of a policymaker,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: a politician, and that politician will look at it and
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: say I looked at that and an attempt, yeah, twist made.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: Or you could support us and we will do whatever
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  Speaker 2: we can to try to grassroots this sucker. All right,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: let's let's do Jester Bell.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's look at Jester Bell. So there's only like
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  Speaker 1: a little.
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  Speaker 2: Positive what she's it's positive because she's enormy and she's
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: she's getting it. She just doesn't. I don't think she
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: has like I don't. She's not like us. You know,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: we've been in the trenches for how long we've got
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: our PTSD has PTSD. You know, we've been fighting this
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: for a long time, and we know what it takes
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: to actually change this situation. I don't think normanis no.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: For example, you can't keep giving feminists infinite passes to
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: do whatever the hell they want, you know, and you
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: and that starts by questioning everything they said from the
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: very start, which I can tell you is wrong. Feminist
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: premises were wrong from the very start. All right. I'm
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: not saying anything about women going into the workplace because
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: let's be frank, women have always been in the workplace.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say anything about that. I'm not gonna
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: say anything about women's influence on the political landscape, because
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: women have always had influence on politics. Even before the vote,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: they had significant influence on politics. Right, I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 2: say any of that stuff because it's irrelevant. What's relevant
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: is feminism proposed a particular arrangement of the sexes, a
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  Speaker 2: relationship between the sexes, which was absolutely degrading and wrong.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: Men don't oppress women, and they've never oppressed women. Men
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: actually have instincts to provide and protect for women, and
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: it's those instincts that feminists are manipulating with their rhetoric,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: which has never ever passed any level of scrutiny, any
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: level of evidentiary or logical scrutiny. Their premises were never
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: proven before. They were just assumed true, and they don't
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: pass any basic tests of scientific like very veracity of
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: scientific correctness. They don't predict anything. In fact, they have
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: negative predictive value. They don't explain anything, right, they don't.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: The evidence isn't there, it's contradictory, and it's thin. If
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: it is even there, they have to actually cherry pick.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: So it's an entire edifice of corruption. That's what I'm
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: put to putting. Taking aim, ady, you don't even have
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  Speaker 2: to talk about women having say in a political process
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: or what do you think prohibition was? Women didn't have
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: the vote and they push prohibition. They created policy, right,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: they always had to say in it, and they always worked,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: and they were always materially providing for their families. So
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: all of that is a red herring. Feminism has nothing
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: to do with that. Feminism has always been and is
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: solely a way of framing the sexes and their relationship
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: in a way that benefits feminism, not women, not men,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: just feminism. And by feminism, I mean all those aforementioned
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: CEOs of non governmental organizations that all seem to be
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: on each other's boards, taking about forty fifty thousand a
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: year from each other's boards, right, like that nest of nepotism.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: That's what this benefits. Okay, and it's good to see
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: normanis waking up to it. But like I said, I
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: don't think they have the chops, Like, they don't know
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: the level of fight you have to have to actually
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: turn this tide.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well yeah, but I mean again, like you're talking
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: about people who this is not something that they were
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: even thinking about. Yeah, they were just like, I'm just
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: watching my movies and making videos about things I like,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: and I'm noticing a pattern, you know, after like failure
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: after failure after failure, and I see the same thing
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: going on, and I'm like, what's going on here? What
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: is this? And so they start to talk about that,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: and I don't have I mean, I encourage it. I'm like, well,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: this is great, like she yeah, no, I encourage it. Again.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: She's not gonna say everything you guys think she should say.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: But you're being ridiculous if you think that she should
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: be saying exactly what you believe, because she is a
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: normal person that hasn't been doing this for ten years.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: She's just a comic book fan. She's just a video
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: game nerd that just saw this and is like what.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: And of course when she started talking, she's been talking
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: about these things for a little while. Whenever she does,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: she gets lamb bassed in her comments by actual ideologues
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: that are like, no, you can't. You sound like one
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: of those pill mans for your guys, what are you
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: turning into a chud? And you guys have to be
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: like supportive of this, Like when these people do this,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: you have to show them. Look you're gonna get a
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: lot of hate, You're gonna get a lot of pushback
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: because you're going into tarry that is going to lose
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: you friends because you are exploring a concept that is
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: very unpopular. And I want to encourage you to continue
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: to do that, because if you keep going down this road,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: you're going to piss people off, you know, people who
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: have money to lose, people whose entire worldview. Remember in
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: The Matrix when Morpheus told Neo that if you're not
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: one of us, you're one of them, you know, And
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: I know that sounds like a f an enemy distinction
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: and we're not supposed to do that, but he's saying
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: that there are people who are who are not ready
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: to be unplugged, and they will react hostile if you
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: like show them that basically they have at least part
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: of their worldview is a lie, and they're going to
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: become aggressive. And you know what, you have to understand that,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: and you have to be sympathetic to that because you
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: can't change that. And so, like you, what you do
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: is you say, look, I hope you figure this out whatever, right,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: and just remain I don't know, like with love in
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: your heart for those people, because that's what you're going
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: to get. And I think that, you know, oh my god,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: I mean yeah.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: No, yes, What I meant is that she's she's on the.
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  Speaker 1: Path, but I know you're not attacking her. I'm just
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  Speaker 1: I'm just explain, he's going to talk about this stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and she's gonna say stuff that's going to piss people
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  Speaker 1: off because she's still contending with it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, yeah, yeah, no, I mean she's it's just
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: a hard path. And then you really have to accept
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  Speaker 2: that people are going to get pissed at you and
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  Speaker 2: just hold on put you know, screw your courage to
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: the sticking plate, which I don't even understand what the
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: hell that means. But anyway, hold on to your moral courage,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: and don't forget that you're on the side of right,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: because this is all nonsense, all of it. You don't
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  Speaker 2: sacrifice men to benefit women. That's that's not how it works, friends. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So first I guess I'll just let her do
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  Speaker 1: the intro.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, everyone es is here, Echo echo star echo.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, echo Yeah, I think I'm okay.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so Baggins, and this year I've done a.
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  Speaker 2: Hand fill echo of let me put my headphones on.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why this one is like reverberating hm,
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  Speaker 1: but this will be better. Yeah, and you won't hear it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. I noticed that Tangled has found the the uh chat. Yeah,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: I mean you're not gonna you're gonna you're gonna have
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna be a little bit more outnumbered there, Tangled,
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  Speaker 2: So good luck to you.
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  Speaker 1: He's gonna see it as like he's like one of
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: the three hundred Spartons, So that's all right. He doesn't
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: feel like she does, is like insult people and doesn't
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: actually make arguments.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, I have noticed that, yeah, men in movies
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  Speaker 4: the negative depiction. Back in late September, I did a
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: big video just really lambasting it more than ever before,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: especially with the release of tron Aries and doing another
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: the male character the lead from the franchise failed off
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: screen and was never seen again trope, and that got
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: a ton of attention, Thank you so much. And I
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: also did a parody video a couple of weeks ago
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: about the whole matter. And you know what it must
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  Speaker 4: sound like from Hollywood continuously blaming men for these failures
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: of these movies.
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  Speaker 1: Basically, yeah, so I'm just the laying it out. She's
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: done a couple of videos on this. She made a
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  Speaker 1: parody video where she pretended to be Hollywood saying our
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: movies failed because of men because they made anti mail
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: content and then men were like, like they were told.
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  Speaker 1: They told men, don't watch your stuff stuff if you
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: don't you know, if you don't like it, and men
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: were like, okay, and they didn't. Even though, like even
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: the failed movies, if you look at the the data
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: on on like who went, it was still majority men
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: that went to watch them. Of the few that did so,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: it was still men that gave you money, just the
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: simps that were willing to give you money regardless of them,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: you know you shitting in their mouth or in their
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: eyes for a movie.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: They thought, okay, let's be fair, Like I bet those guys,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: the more liberal guys, they thought they were doing something
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: for women. And let's be frank, if you say to men,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: this is for women, you know, ninety nine point five
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  Speaker 2: percent of men will be like, oh I will do that.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so it's that's still simping, but yes, that's
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: what they're doing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what they're doing. But it's like I have trouble. Yeah, okay,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: guys don't do that. Have some self respect. But I
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: understand why you do it. Like I'm not going to
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: be like, oh, that's that's a horrible you are horrible people.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: Just respect yourselves. In fact, why don't you just look
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: in the mirror and say, I'm a person who does
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  Speaker 2: actually care about men. I should stop listening to people
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: who say I don't or sorry, I am a person
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: who just who cares about women. I should stop listening
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: to people who say I don't right, who start the
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: conversation by presuming the worst of me as a man.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: Let's just just do that. Just allow your desire to
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: help women inform your understanding of who you are, and
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: stop listening to people who say, because you're a man,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: you hate women. Just just do that. Try that.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, mm hmm, all right. So she mentions the article
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: we just read in this.
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  Speaker 4: Video, so about just how many times men in movies
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: these days are portrayed as abusive, weak, or absent as
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: this brand new stereotype, and how they even do a
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: chart about how disproportionated is the amount of times that
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: men have been portrayed this way.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: So here's a here's a chart. Do you see it,
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  Speaker 1: Alisonative portrayals of men in cinema versus reality ninety five
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  Speaker 1: percent in films, ninety five percent of men's.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: That's quite a change from what I remember.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: And then in reality it's like two percent in workplace
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: workplace complaints and four percent survey self admission, and women's.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: Numbers are similar, honestly, So it's yeah, so we're basically
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: just portraying men as being defined in these very negative
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: ways by human evil. And then we're also saying that
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: human evil isn't human evil, it's actually men men's evil.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: So it's it's a double whammy. But yeah, yep, okay
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  Speaker 4: All right, the actual statistics behind how many times men
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 4: are guilty of crimes or abuses in real life. And
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: they also showed like how movies with these kinds of
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 4: depictions of men are actually more likely on a scale
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 4: to get awards.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: At Yeah, so there's male villainy. There's a correlation between
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: male male villainy in stories and winning awards.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: So that's not just true in in video and movies.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: It's it's in TV and movies. It's also true in writing.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, literature, right, maybe literature is too charitable writing.
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  Speaker 2: Actually I call it like mood text.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: Is mood text? Okay, but yeah, you can see the
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: more villainy, the more awards. So there's some examples. Well,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: I know Barbie, which is yeah, it's up there, But
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know about these other things, poor things. I
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: don't know what that is, anatomy of a fall triangle sadness,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: but yeah, there you go. Portrayal of males as villains,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: the more likely you are.
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  Speaker 4: To win an award seas, So now there's incentive to
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: do these stereotypes in films because you're more likely to
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 4: have a chance to get into award season over it.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: But it's like this year, this year especially, it's just
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 4: cropped up. When I see the same stereotype that people
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: said happened in Star Wars and all these lucasfilm projects,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: when I see that exact same stereotype happen in Tron
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: and that is significant because you buy me saying oh yeah.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: So she's basically saying that, like just to cut it short,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: because her videos are a little and they're unscripted. She's
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: a bit rambly, so she basically says that there was
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: this trend or this this stereotype. She calls it a
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: stereotype of you know, a hero from a franchise from
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: you know that was a male main character from a
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: franchise that's kind of old, going back to the seventies
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: and the eighties, and they make a newer property or
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: something that's related to the character in some way in
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: the same you know, fictional universe or whatever. But that
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: Matt male character is completely like just either lost or shit,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: you know, like Louse, sky Walker's a bum, Han Solo's
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: a bum, Indiana Jones, the bum Decker from Blade Runners
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: of Bum. They're all they're they all are are absent fathers.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: They're all of them. I mean, Luke doesn't have kids,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: but like all the other ones are like absent fathers. Yes,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: expanded universe that we're never gonna get. Yes, But like
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: in the in whatever, JJ Abrams and Ryan Johnson came
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: up with, Yeah, that was just thrown out, and and
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: they just they've just been doing this, you know, and
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: it's like everywhere. It's like she's seeing it so often.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: They even I guess in this new Tron movie that
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: I didn't watch. I was I wanted to because I
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: like Tron, uh the first two, but apparently they just
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: that was just trash and did the same thing that
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: the male main character and all the other characters from
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: the original Tron film and these aren't even like big film.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: He's a kind of like lower budget or at least
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: like like Culty followings. They threw that all out and
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: they tried something new with a girl boss main character,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: and you know, it was just shit. And she was like,
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: you know, this is happening too much for it not
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: to be something intentional, and that's kind of where she's
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: getting at. So okay, so walk, he's not a bum
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  Speaker 1: well at the beginning, but then he wins, So go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: All right, somebody's mad, Yeah, all right, next time Code. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's just like the last thing I wanted to talk
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  Speaker 1: about is where she drops a word that I really
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  Speaker 3: But frankly, it makes what.
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  Speaker 2: Tangled's latest message. I fucking hate it. Where do you
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  Speaker 2: give these you guys give them money? Or maybe I
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  Speaker 2: love it? How can you know? I don't know. You're
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  Speaker 2: you're sticking it to something. Tangled may like it, though
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  Speaker 2: Tangled man like having it stuck to him.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, we're single handedly creating the gender war.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right here, manufactured.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: It's being manufactured, artificial. My two people in their in
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  Speaker 1: their bedrooms or spare room, uh, talking online. We're the one,
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: not the multi billion dollar industry that is in every
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  Speaker 1: asset of our of our institutions, and our in our
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: political class, and our media class, and our education and academia.
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  Speaker 1: You know, not fellows people. No, No, it's us. It's
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: me in this room, yes, talking into a webcam. I'm
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  Speaker 1: the one doing this I'm the one creating all the antipathy.
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  Speaker 1: All those girls on TikTok saying they want men with
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: the four sixes, that's because of me. They saw me
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  Speaker 1: and they were like, well, I'll show him. I'll demand
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: that men hav insane standards they couldn't possibly meet, and
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  Speaker 1: I'll do it online to spite Brian because he's like
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: creating problems.
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  Speaker 2: This reminds me. This reminds me of that one feminist
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: shelter operator who act or like CEO in some place
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: in some state in the US, and she basically talked
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: about how she opened the shelter and at the end
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  Speaker 2: she's like, I did this just to spite those men's
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: rights activists to say there are no shelters for men.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, you showed me, you showed me.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: But also, you guys that shelter exists because of us. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'll take it. You're gonna do it to spite me,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: Just do it. Fine. You think that that spites me,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: the fact that there now exists some kind of shelter
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: for men somewhere in the US when they're abused, and
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: you did it to spite people like me.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: Well, they think that you're like them, and you actually
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: don't want to solve problems. You just want to make money.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: That's why we're being accused of that. I'll take it
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: because you know that's obviously I chose the most, like,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: the least popular thing to advocate for because I want
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: to get rich quick. I'm playing this on hard mode.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: I think I'm doing this all wrong. I should advocate
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  Speaker 1: for I don't know brown people. I could probably make
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  Speaker 1: a killing if I did that, I wouldn't even have
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: to prove shit. But anyway, let's get to this last
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: time code.
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  Speaker 4: All of these things unenjoyable to me because I liked
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: that masculinity in these projects. I want to see strong
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 4: male heroes, and I liked these projects as you know,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: male stewing franchises, as a world's where the tone would
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 4: be more masculine. That is what I enjoyed about it.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 4: You know, sometimes people say, you know, we just need
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: to have more men working on these projects, and I
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 4: would say, I'm more than willing to have more men
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  Speaker 4: work on these projects. Again, I just think that it's
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 4: the type of person though, because I think if I
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  Speaker 4: was doing like say, I had an idea for a
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 4: hope versus Wolverine movie, it'd probably be more masculine, because
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 4: that's just what I enjoyed about those original worlds.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, I'm just pausing it there. You know, there
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: was there are some female directors that can do stuff
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: that men like. I believe that. Oh I'm getting her name. Huh.
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  Speaker 2: Romancing the Stone was that was?
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: That? Was that directed by the director.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that there's a lot of guys who
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: like that. It's it's sort of our romance.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: But it's also I think Catherine Bigelow she did she
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: did like she did she does the military movie Zero
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  Speaker 1: Dark thirty. I think that's a that's a woman, the
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: director of Zero Dark thirty. And yeah, there's definitely some
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: women that can do that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: She wrote. There was a woman who wrote Romancing the stroone.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: I think she also was also a woman who directed it.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: I'll find out in a moment.
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  Speaker 1: All right, all right, Romancing the Stone is good. Kirk Douglas, right,
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: Michael Douglas rather Michael Douglass. Yeah, all right, anyway, you
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: I would have looked that up right now.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: The director was Rubert Demchis, and the screen was written
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: by Diane Thomas. There you go Malibill waitress, whose script
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: was discovered and bought by producer Michael Douglas. Romancing the
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: Stone was her only produced screenplay. She tragically died in
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: a car accident in nineteen eighty five, shortly after the
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: film's success. Yeah that isn't awe.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always sad when that happens.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a time when women could do really
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: good writing and directing and writing in novels too. It
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: was a time when publishing and Hollywood wasn't just a
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: boys club. It was also upholding the standards of good craft,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: which was something that again I hate to tell you,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: but feminists came out against good craft. I have a story,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: a personal story. I've said this before. My mother used
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: to help edit or twas the editor of a feminist
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: zigne in the like the seventies, and she insisted that
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: people who were submitting stuff to the zign, would you know,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: have to abide by grammar, punctuation and rules of contents,
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  Speaker 2: not meandering stuff like that. Oh my, I see, I
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: think I have died. My phone has.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: I can still hear you, but.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: I can I can change to this maybe.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: So anyway, so I was talking about it's like shaky Cam.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: It's a little bit worse, but I'll step back so
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  Speaker 2: editor of a feminist sign and she insisted on like
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: good grammar and other aspects of writing craft, and she
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: got drummed out because that was patriarchal. So if you're
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: wondering where writing craft went, it also went when feminists
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: started to take control of this because they don't want
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: to have any standards that they have to be held to,
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: any external standards. Everything that a woman does, or at
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: least a feminist woman, want out all women because obviously
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: the things that I do are wrong, But anything that
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: a feminist woman does is perfect. She shits diamonds, she
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: cries pearls. Her menstrual blood is rubies like shid. Everything
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: that comes out of feminist women is absolutely perfect, exactly
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: the way it is. And if you disagree, you're a
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: misogynist and you hate women. Even if what's coming out
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: of a feminist woman is a fist in her girlfriend's face,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: you hate women. If you're saying that's bad, you just
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: gotta let it happen. You just gotta let them abuse
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: their girlfriends. Right, because because otherwise you'd be you'd be
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: criticizing women feminists, which are synonymous, you'd be criticizing them. See,
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: this is why it would terrify me to live in
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: any kind of feminist run hell hole, because you wouldn't
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: be able to criticize the abusers. If it was all women,
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: you wouldn't be able to criticize the abusers because you'd
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: be criticizing women. You'd be saying that women things that
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: patriarchy does, right, and you can't do that. All right,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: all right?
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: So I got a superchow and then I got a comment.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: Oh I got a couple superchows. So Richard Bierre gives
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: us twenty dollars on superchow or fifty I'm sorry, fifty
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: dollars and says this is per Tangled hierarchy because Tangled
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: is too cheap to donate. By the way, do you
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: know the significance of December twenty, twenty twenty seven?
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: I do not please.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that seems like a weird rare
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: reference out, yeah, really obscure. And then laptop two fifteen
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: for some reason, it didn't show up in my life thing.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: But that's okay, gave us five dollars and says at
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: tangled hierarchy, they're allowed to ask, we are allowed to give,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: they are allowed to make their pitch. Thank you, laptop,
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: appreciate it. So the person that I was thinking of,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: the female director. She's done a lot of pretty manly movies.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: And then Jesser Bell is basically saying that, yeah, it'd
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: be great, you know, like I'm fine with men making movies,
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: but like it's more of a mindset thing that she's saying,
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: you know, And I think that's true too. Actually, I
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: think that's more true. So there's the director I'm thinking
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: of as Catherine Bigelow. And Catherine Bigelow has done a
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: lot of really good movies. She's made The Loveless, which
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: came out in nineteen eighty one with Willem Dafoe. She
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: made Near Dark, which is a vampire western horror that
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: sounds cool to shit. I have to look that one up.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: Blue Steel with Jamie Lee Curtis. You guys may have
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: heard of that rookie cop stalk by a killer point Break,
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: one of my favorites with Kenna Reeves and Patrick Swayzee,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: where you know Ken Reeves is an FBI agent and
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: Anthony Key. It is of the Red Hot Chili Peppers
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: is in that movie as well. I don't know if
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: people know that, but he totally is one of the
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: He's in the movie Strange Days, which was written by
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: James Cameron but directed by Catherine Bigelow with Ralph Fines
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: and Angela Bassett. That's another good movie. The Weight of
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: Water K nineteen, The Widow Maker, cold war submarine thriller
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: with Harrison Ford and Liam Neeson. The hurt Locker, which
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: is the one it won I think Best Picture and
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: Best Director, but that was an Iraq war drama with
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: Jeremy Renner from the Marvel movies. And Zero Dark thirty
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: which I mentioned. So yeah, that's a woman and those
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: are all pretty like Point Break is a pretty badass movie, man,
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: So just throwing it out there. Well, okay, let me
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: get back to this m now.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 4: I want people to understand and be clear about this.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: This is miss Sandry. What is happening in these movies.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 4: This is deciding. This is following the ideology that every
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 4: man is guilty from the day he is born of
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 4: all these awful things.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: He has a mess ulity to him that is dangerous that.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 4: Needs to be quelled, that needs to be subdued, like
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 4: even in film industry, watch at art.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: So there she said to miss injury, she says miss andry.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: But she said it. I think that's awesome. Don't you
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: guys think that's a win?
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, it is. It is a win. No, I'm you know.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: I don't expect her to be a hardened warrior. Although again,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: if she really wants to stick to her guns on this,
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be hard. She's gonna get a lot of shit.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: It is not something that is popular.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, she just I think she just wants entertainment
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: to be good. Yes, yeah, I know.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. Like, you're not allowed to even want that. Like,
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: that's what my story is about. What the hell does
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: good grammar have to do with patriarchy. You're not allowed
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: to want good things, You're not allowed to expect good
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: for yourself. We're in the feminist era. Now. Feminism is
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: going to take away everything that makes you happy, and
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: you need to thank feminism for it.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Okay, it's the it's the air we breathe
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: mm hmm.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 4: Exactly, all right, charcle I was talking about They talked
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 4: about some reviewers who have spoken about these movies that
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 4: are stereotyping men in a negative way and talking about
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 4: how this is what every man in real life needs
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 4: to learn that he is guilty.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: In the message is that every man is guilty, if
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: not of rape, then of complicity or wilful ignorance. And
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: it's the women who bear the pain and seek justice,
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: writes one reviewer in summary of a I don't know
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: what film, but a film is all of them, provocations, all.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: Of them at this point, all all of.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: Them, all of them.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And again, as I always like to bring up,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: this is a lie. There is no way you can
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: assert this now. The CDC has blown this out of
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: the water. There is no way they could have found
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: parody three years in a row for the last year numbers,
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: and they're actually to be significant asymmetry and perpetration of rape,
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: sexual assault, even probably harassment. So this is not a
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: man's issue. This is not a male ill. This is
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: a human ill. And this is an astounding finding because
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: it totally changes what we understand of ourselves. And we
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: can't embrace this new knowledge of what it is to
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: be human because somebody wants to scapegoat boys and men
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: to make money. And the collateral damage people like Jestre
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: Belle is feeling because the collateral damage of this scapegoating
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: is good fiction, good stories, right, But that's just collateral,
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: your collateral damage in this war that we have been
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: fighting for several decades now, some of us, right you are,
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: this is collateral damage. And if you want to ever
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: get to the point where you have good stories again,
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: you got to stand up at this point, like there's
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: no two ways about it. You got to stand up
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: for your right to be entertained.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: All right, all right, last time, Code, I want to talk.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 4: About the real world implications of it. And I was very,
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 4: very affected by this a couple of years ago. But
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 4: you know, for a couple of years past, I've seen
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 4: more and more of a rise of men out there
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 4: who are becoming openly misogynistic, and they're becoming, you know,
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 4: more comfortable with saying very negative things and very negative
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 4: stereotypes and caricatures about women. And once again I was
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 4: very affected by that and defensive about that as I
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 4: saw it rise.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 3: But here's the truth about that.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 4: There is a reason why men are being pushed in
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 4: that direction, and I'm not.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: So okay, she started off with that, but she's she's
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: before you freak out, listen more.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's right, but I am understanding what
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 4: is the effects of it.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 4: The more that you push these negative stereotypes and caricatures
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 4: about men, the more effect that it is going to take.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 4: And the more that you remove these positive mail icons,
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 4: the more effect that it is going to take. Now,
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 4: obviously it's going to be more of an influence on
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 4: a person of what is happening in real life. What
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 4: relationship did they have with their parents, what kind of
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 4: friends did they have, you know, what is their relationship
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 4: and influences in real life. But make no mistake, media
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 4: and entertainment definitely have an effect on it.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 3: So what I see happening is.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: That I'm just pausing it there because I know that
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: you know, comment on things.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: So we also got more super chows, I.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: Think we do? Why are we getting them in here? Oh? Okay?
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: Art Force gives us three d and thirteen dollars and
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: thirty seven cents. I see what you did there and
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: says long Cow Preservation Fund. There it is, and now
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: it showed up a little bit late. It was a
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: little delayed, but I'm not sure.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: What Tangled is doing at this point. I'm like, you
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: keep I thank you, Tangled. I really appreciate it, Like
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know why you're doing this for us, but
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: it's awesome. Big big thank you to Tangled. Tangled hierarchy
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: one of our big haters today. It appreciate that an
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: hour hilling us in the chat. So just big thank
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: you to Tangled. Good luck to you out there, sir.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: And you're very strange meanderings. I hope you're walk about,
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: does you good? Okay, let's next next one.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: All right, well this is the last one, but let
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: me play a little bit more of it.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 3: The more that.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 4: These kinds of poisonous ideas have been pushed out there,
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 4: and these negative stereotypes and caricatures about men and this massandry,
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 4: like whenever you talk down to someone, whenever you put
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 4: down somebody for just how they were born or whatever
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 4: group they were a part of. Whenever you do that enough,
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 4: eventually that group is going to want to revolt. And
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 4: I see three outcomes for this this.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just bothering it there. So she's I think
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: rightfully noticing that this could be a problem. I think
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: she's late to the party. But that's fine.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: Well, you know whatever party, right, It only happens once
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: you go into the pain. This is what I'm talking about, guys.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: I remember, like six years ago, I talked about the
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: pain that every one of us has had, some kind
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: of pain that's gotten us to this side of the
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: chasm of men's issues. Now it's not it's different for everyone.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: For me, it's the pain of the absolute state of
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: lying that feminists engage in. I absolutely hate deception, you know.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: That just bugs the hell out of me. I can't
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: live with it. That's the pain that got me, you know.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: And other people have different pains. It may be intellectual,
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: it may be emotional and maybe having lost your kids,
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: but that's what gets you on this side of the chasm. Now,
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: people like Jester Bell are feeling the pain because feminism
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: comes for all. It comes for all life and love
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: and goodness and craft in the world. It comes for
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: all of it. It wants to turn everything into escapegoating
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: men to make money for feminism. And you look, that
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: sounds like hyperbole, but look at what it's done. It's
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: turned academia into escapegoating men to make money for feminism.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: It's turned movies and too escape goating men to make
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: money for feminism. Me too, scapegoating men to make money
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: for feminism, cartoons scapegoating men to make money for feminism,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: On and on and on. It consumes everything into itself,
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: like a black hole, and it and it leaves nothing
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: for anybody else. Okay, mm hmm, all.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 3: Right, eventually wrote aganda against men?
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: What actually tangled hierarchy? I think he just left himself.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: No, he's been No, he got timed out by Seaman King.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: Oh did he Yeah, he timed him out, So I
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: guess he'll be back.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, depending on how long the timeout is. Oh
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: looks like nobody's gonna miss him. Ah Oh well no, no,
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: actually miss him.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, So she's saying, she's saying that there'll be three reactions, Okay,
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: that from men. Let's hear. Let's hear those, and that'll
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: be it.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 4: Maybe you get men who buy into this, Maybe they
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 4: become like Mescal who's just bought into this idea that
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 4: subdued masculinity is good. Maybe you get some of that.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 4: Maybe you get some men who are tired of being
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 4: put down and made the bad guy, and they just
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 4: want to check out out of everything.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 3: Or maybe there's the third option where you get.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 4: Men who are so fed up with being made the
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 4: bad guys and being told that they are failures and
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 4: having you know, and that they will become failures. And
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 4: once again, this is even affected by having these male
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 4: icons be torn down and having masculine heroes be taken away.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 4: Then that's how the promotion of actual toxicity can become appealing,
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 4: because once again, when a group gets put down enough,
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 4: they want to revolt. The end goal of a lot
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 4: of this might not be that men's merely become subdued.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: All right, all right, she's repeating herself so basically, and
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: I think these are these are three conclusions. One they're
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: gonna like try to go along with it. They'll be
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: those guys that paid for the marvels because they want
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: to please women, because they want to reinvent their masculinity,
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: because they're like Pedro Pascal, and that's it. Those guys
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: exist there, and that's gonna be a part of it.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a minority though, because even
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: those guys are gonna have their limits. Then there's gonna
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: be the guys that just check out. I think that's
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: most of them. They're just gonna be like, no, I'm
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: not doing this, I'm gonna do my own thing. I'm
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: gonna go over here. Of course, they're not really like
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: if they go into something else, they're not necessarily safe
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: from this. So they're gonna have to like take a
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: stand at some point because if you're like, well, I'm
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: not watching movies, I'm playing video games now, well, guess what, buddy,
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: they're in your video games. I'm gonna read books. Guess what, buddy,
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: they're in your books. Like, there's no I want to
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: listen to music unless you're gonna go by like classic
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: rock or something, or you're only gonna read old books,
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: or you're only gonna play retro games or something. You know,
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: watch old movies. You're not getting away from this and
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: that even then, you know, they can always go back
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: in and be like, you know, like what film. I
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: believe that Netflix and Disney Plus have already taken movies
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: and they've altered them like old movies, and they've altered
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: them for modern audiences. Right. They change the language around,
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: they cut scenes out. I watched Legend the other day
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: with Lindsay, you know, legend with Darkness and Tom Cruise,
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: and it was like it was edited so badly. I
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: didn't know what the hell was going on. I had
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: to explain, Oh, there was a scene that was supposed
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: to be here, but it's not here for some reason.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: So you know, yeah, that that checking out is gonna
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: be the second group and the third group are are
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: guys that are just gonna be you know, they're just
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: gonna be assholes. So this is what you think I am. Okay,
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: that's what I'm gonna be, and that's where you're gonna
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: get your you know, Genghis Khan types, and I'm frankly
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: okay with it.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna just drop out and come back really
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: quickly because I'm gonna see if I can get my
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: camera working properly because this shaky cam is a little
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: bit annoying.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: Okay. So anyway, that was basically the last time code.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if else is going to come
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: back or or not, but let's see look at what
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: you guys are saying as that was the last time code, Allison.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: So okay, okay, all right, So the title promised seven
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: ways that what what what what is our freaking title?
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: Tell me?
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: The title was seven Ways Hollywood Wages Wore on men.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I have a list a listical. That's a
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: horrible word. Who invented listical?
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: That's like, I don't know, BuzzFeed, I assume.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, why is this not working? I had? I
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: had a whole freaking list.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: Here we go, hopefully it comes up. Yep, I see text? Good?
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  Speaker 2: All right? Okay from here one? Actually should I go
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: from seven to one? By the way, guys, if you
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: were in the chat, I have a poll. Will you
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: miss Tangled Hierarchy? Actually I think it's done? No? Is
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: it done?
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: It stays up to you end it.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, I don't know how to end it, but
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: oh oh just just click it out. Yeah, no, I
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: got it so far. It's no. It's seth sixty one.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. You you are. You've got a loyal but
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: small fan base here Tangled. So there you go. Also,
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: I thank you. Not sure what you're proving by chilling
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: us so desperately, but thank you and thank you to
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: everybody who participated with that. And here we go. I'm
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: going to do the listicle once I get it back up,
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: All right, Should I go out? Oh? You have it?
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: You want? Do you want to do it? Sure, my
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 2: squeaky squirrel voice, you can do it? Should we go
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: seven ways?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? So? Uh? Seven ways? Hollywood wages war on men
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  Speaker 1: number seven, creating the toxic men they fear. So when
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: men are constantly told their failures, mocked on screen, and
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: stripped the heroic models, they don't all become gentle saints.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: They either check out, submit, or get angry and lean
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: into the very toxic behavior the culture claims to fear.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: The same media that preaches against toxic masculinity is in
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: practice pushing boys into bitterness and resentment by removing positive
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: masculine icons and replacing them with caricatures and accusations. Of course,
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: once they do, if they do embrace that, then feminists
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  Speaker 1: get to say, look, see, we told you so. It's
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: kind of like creating the problem so that they can
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: point at the problem them.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Number so that's number seven. I don't know if you
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: want to say anything about that, or I'm going to
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: just go out to number six.
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  Speaker 2: Let me see. Uh. I think that that's a very
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: unlikely occurrence.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: But yes, but that's why it's at the bottom of
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  Speaker 1: the list.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's a number seven. Yeah, it comes in
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: at the very bottom because it's really unlikely. The the
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: greatest likelihood is that men will opt out of they'll
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 2: they'll take the Canadian health care route, shall we say,
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: And very few men will actually become violent, and significant
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: but not very sizeable number of men might get a
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: bit irate on social media. They might actually gasp, blame women, gasp.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, Saints Preservice. It's the it's the it's
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  Speaker 2: a sign of the end times.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, number six. Masculinity equals guilty by default. A lot
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: of current storytelling treats maleness itself as something dangerous that
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: must be subdued. The message is that every man carries
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: built in guilt that needs to be re educated out
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: of him. Reviewers even praise films as stereotype men harshly,
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: as lessons all men must learn, turning masculinity from a
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: potential strength into an automatic indictment. Yep, yep, you're born male,
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: Therefore you are a problem to be fixed. Men, What
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: is it? Men are the problem? Men don't have problems.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: Men are the problem.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: Which is really interesting because I remember a while back
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: I was trying to watch this like western noir show
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: which was about like some kind of satanic ritual abuse cult,
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: and it was really bothering me that all of the
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: men in the story were either evil or anti heroes.
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: And I actually brought it up in the discord, and
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: the guys I brought we're like, no, it's okay, I'm
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: fine with that. And the reason why was because it
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: was the men punishing the men who were evil, and
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: the women were mostly like victims and they were seen
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: as being less capable, I guess or something. So even
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: though the men were anti heroes, they were the only
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: ones who could really go toe to toe with the
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: male villains. And it's like, men seem to be okay,
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: but they're okay with these very harsh depictions of men
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: as long as it's also depicted that men are the
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: ones who police the evil men, if that makes sense.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 2: So I was like, that's interesting. So it's it's it's
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: an interesting thing that says something about men because they
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 2: are interested in stories, even if even if they're villains
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 2: in these stories. Men are depicted as villains in these stories,
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 2: they're interested in watching the process of those villains being
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: held accountable. By other men who are and that that
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 2: appeals to them, whereas I don't think that appeals to
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: women at all. It doesn't appeal to women in the
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 2: story of a woman holding a bad woman accountable. The
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: only story that comes to mind is actually a a
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: Glenn Close like that's a that's an actress, right, and no,
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: not fatal attraction. It was actually a recent story where
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 2: she was a British general of some kind and she
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: was dealing with doing a hit on a female terrorist,
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 2: like a former British national who'd become a female terrorist
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 2: in the Middle East, and she had to make accommodations
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: for potential civilian casualties. But she was weighing all of
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: the moral costs of basically killing another woman who was
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: a villain, and she eventually did did actually kill her,
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: but at the cost of killing a completely innocent girl.
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: And that was an interesting story. But you don't see
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: a lot of stories like that because it's not stories
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: that appeal to women for whatever reason. For whatever reason,
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 2: women don't like the thought of holding other women to
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: account in these kind of moral passion plays. That altruistic
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: punishment is not something that interests them. It's something that
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: interests me, Like, I really like that movie. I'll never
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 2: forget it. But it's not something that interests a lot
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 2: of women apparently. Anyway, that's my little segue. Let's uh,
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 2: let's go on to seven.
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  Speaker 1: Number five. No heroes for boys. Past generations of boys
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  Speaker 1: that clear male lead adventure series built around virtue and courage,
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  Speaker 1: animated heroes, action leads, and science fiction protagonists they could
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: latch onto. Today, the big corporate brands have systematically torn
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: down those figures without replacing them, leaving a vacuum where
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: an entire generation of boys has no man extreme masculine
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: hero aimed at them at all. And by the way,
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 1: it's not just about just to add to this really quick.
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: It's not just about seeing a character and then just like,
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: you know, wanting to just be like them or feeling seen.
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: You know, that's not really the thing. I think that
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: the reason why these matter to boys is that it's
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 1: actually because they share them with their friends, with their
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: peer group. All the boys like the same things, and
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: they all talk about it, and they all you know,
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: examine it, and they speculate and they compare and they
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: like they get into like the systems you know, involved
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: in stuff and and you know it's a girl brand
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: because it doesn't do that. It gets into like, I
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: don't know, the relationship dynamics instead, And that's just something
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: I noticed, you know, like one of the reasons why I,
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was too old for Harry Potter, but
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 1: I knew a guy who his wife and him read
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 1: the books and he was like, I couldn't get into
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: Harry Potter. And I was like why. He's like, because
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: I don't understand and the magic system. And you know,
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: even though Harry Potter was probably written not with girls
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 1: in mind specifically, but it was popular with boys and girls.
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: But he was more of a systems thinker. He he
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 1: liked shows like Star Trek, where you could talk about
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: the science, even if it was a little far fetched, right.
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: He actually didn't like Star Wars because it was more fantasy,
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: and he didn't like the fact that none of this
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: stuff worked. And so he would sit with his buddies
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 1: and they talk about like all of the you know,
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: interesting lore and mechanics going on that made the stories
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: feel real. And that's the thing about the way boys
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 1: absorb media that's different from girls. And so when they say,
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: you know that you're not getting any heroes. It's not
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: just the characters. It's like the world itself, you know,
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: is made with boys in mind, so that there's a
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: lot that can talk about and analyze. It's how it's
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 1: how boys get lost in worlds, is how they get
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: lost in comics because they look at like how do
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: the powers work? And like what what would happen in
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: this scenario? Like what's the science behind that? Right? And
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, obviously there are girls that can do
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: that too, but I think it's like a boy thing
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: just adding to that. So, yeah, I'm sorry it distracted.
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm distracted by Tangled in the in the well.
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna try and get through this list
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: because I want to eat. So yeah. Number four Missonry
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: wins awards. Critics and festivals increasingly reward films that show
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: men as abusers, cowards, or absent fathers at rates that
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: don't match real world statistics but do match current ideological fashion.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: When motives that humiliate or vilify men are more likely
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: to pre praise and win prizes, studios get a clear
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: message keep stereotyping men negatively if you want prestige and
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: forget about balance aspirational male heroes.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, ok I gotta get in here. I gotta give it.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 2: Thanks thank you to hyper Chicken for one hundred dollars
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: to the fundraiser. We're now at four hundred and twenty five,
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: which we were at zero when this started.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like I'm not exactly sure what Tangle thinks he's doing, but.
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, not sure. I think he's helping.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's helping people he apparently hates so or maybe
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 2: he doesn't hate us, maybe he secretly really likes us.
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 2: You know who knows. No, Brian doesn't believe that. Too
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 2: many insults from Tangle to believe that.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: But no, yeah, he's he's I mean, he's just impotently
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: screeching in the chat. So yeah, I know, I'm not
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: really I'm not really distracted by that.
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 2: No, I'm actually finding it hilarious. Like I'm not sure
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 2: what he's trying to accomplish, but he is accomplishing it.
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 2: So anyway, that is. Uh, we have another like five
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: hundred for this fundraiser, so if you want to help out,
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  Speaker 2: keeps Dash, Alison Dash saye, and you can join our
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  Speaker 2: very generous supporters and tell to do what Tangled is
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 2: trying to tell you to do in the chat for
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: some reason. Okay, let's let's do it.
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: Let's go three men, idiots or monsters. Research shows audiences
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: overwhelmingly field men are pushed to two extremes, the bumbling,
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 1: useless dad or the hyper violent predator instead of the competent,
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: decent male lead. Boys are fed a steady diet of
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 1: male characters or either pathetic punchlines or dangerous threats, with
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 1: almost nothing in between that they can actually respect or
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: want to grow into.
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, and I'm really like, I'm with Jester Bell.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 2: I'm tired. I want to watch I want to watch
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: some heroes, male heroes or male anti heroes kicking ass.
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: I don't want to see any more girl bosses, I am.
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 2: It upsets me that I am now paranoid about uh
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: the interesting female characters who did stuff in previous eras
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 2: like that. That annoys me, And I would like I
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 2: would like Hollywood to go back to cool male characters
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 2: that do stuff that is cool.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, yep, all right, all right. Number two deleting masculinity
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: modern films don't just change bad masculinity, they flatten masculinity
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 1: all together, so they may so every male lead feels
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: soft and secure, unsure, and strangely weightless. Even stories that
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: should drip to sosterone, like gladiators, superheroes or space warriors,
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: now treat masculine strength as inherently suspicious, so the men
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: feel neutered and the worlds around them lose that old
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 1: energy boys and men used to connect with. Yeah, I
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: heard that the Gladiator two movie, which I had like,
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: I don't even know why it exists. I heard that
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 1: it like did that to the masculinity of that original
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 1: Gladiator was manly as And.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: We watched Gladiator one and then we watched Gladiator two
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: within two days of each other, and yes it is.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 2: She also is upset at Gladiator too, like she would
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: I think she would go even further to say it
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 2: was completely stripped of all masculinity. I don't necessarily think it.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: Was Pascal in it. I mean, that's that's all I
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: needed to know. I mean, when I heard he was
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: going to be in it, I was like, nah, yeah,
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 1: old ass Denzel Washington. No, I'm good.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well I did watch it and I would say
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: that the real problem is that they don't understand the original,
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 2: Like the original story was.
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: Basically the same, but like it's really stott. How could
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 1: he not know his own work. I don't know, he's his.
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 2: Brain has been infected by a parasite. But yeah, okay,
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 2: So the original story, you know, you have this Roman
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 2: general who's at the top of his game, okay, and
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 2: he's about to go home to his family. It's like
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 2: the tempting fate right there. And he has this interaction
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 2: with his emperor and you know, Marcus Rulius, the classic
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 2: Stoic good emperor, and Marcus is telling him about his
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 2: fears for the future of Rome and his vulnerabilities around
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 2: his own legacy. And during this interaction, Marcus Rulis also
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 2: says he wants he wants Maximus, that is Russell Crowe's character,
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 2: to inherit the throne of Rome. And you know, Commodus,
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 2: his son, finds out about this, goes and killed attempts
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: to kill Maximus, fails because Maximus is that badass, and
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: then he goes and kills Maximus's family and that starts
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 2: the process. Maximus nearly dies, gets captured by a bunch
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 2: of slavers ends up as a gladiator, but when he's
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 2: initially in part of the in the gladiator school, he
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 2: doesn't want to fight because he's deep within his own
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 2: misery about having lost his family. And it's a hero's journey.
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 2: He has to actually learn to live up to the
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 2: vulnerability that Marcus Errulius gave him and that desire of
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 2: Marcus Rulius for him to write what went wrong in
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: Rome right, and so he has to live up to
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 2: that call to adventure. So it's a proper hero's journey.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 2: And so his motivation sort of changed throughout the story
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 2: based on the hero's journey. First, he's like again on
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 2: the top of the game. He wants to defeat the Germans,
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 2: and then he loses. He wants to save his family.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 2: He loses his family, he becomes apathetic, and he goes
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 2: through a process of relearning that sense of honor and
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 2: justice and service to something higher than himself. And then
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 2: he goes back and he kills Communists and is killed
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 2: by commonists, and you know, Marcus Erulius is his justice
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 2: is done and his honor is re established. That's nowhere
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 2: in the original story, nonewhere Nowhere in the sequel is
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 2: there is that kind of sense of honor and living
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 2: up to a standard beyond yourself. The man is because
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 2: a girl boss wife. He takes her to war against
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 2: the Romans. The inevitable happens, and she dies because she
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 2: looks like a nail technician. Let's be honest, she'd like
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 2: these these these bows at that time drawback weight well,
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 2: for in the Roman army, the drawback weight was eighty
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 2: pounds and that's light. For other armies it was like
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty. There's no way a woman can carry,
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 2: can do that bow, can function with a war bow,
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 2: There's no way. And she's she doesn't. She has toothpicks
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 2: for arms. So she dies. He doesn't even mourn. It's
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 2: like two minutes later and he's laughed with the other
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 2: glass slave gladiators and it's like, what is this? And
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 2: then he just sort of floats through the story and
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 2: they sort of try to re redo the original beats
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: of Gladiator, but none of them hit because it doesn't
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 2: have the spine of the of that emotional journey that
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: Maximus went through. Because they don't, like, I don't know,
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: the director lost his brains between then and now. He
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 2: doesn't understand the hero's journey anymore. He doesn't understand mentorship
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 2: between men and honor between men and respect between men.
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 2: He doesn't understand any of that. The guy just floats
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 2: and then eventually he's like, Oh, I'm a sort of Rome.
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 2: I guess I need to champion this thing. I've been
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 2: fighting this entire time. No values, no principles. And this
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 2: is something I've noticed with these these male characters. When
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 2: they have to have one, they go back, they're like, oh, wow,
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 2: we gotta we gotta have a male character because people
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 2: are pissed off and they want male characters. And what
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 2: they do is they create these male characters that there's
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 2: nothing in them. They're completely hollow. There's no understanding of
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 2: sacrifice and justice and honor. There's no sense of, you know,
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 2: like earning things like Randon in the Wheel of Time
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  Speaker 2: ran out four in the Reel of Time TV show,
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't earn anything, and he's completely insulated from consequences.
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  Speaker 2: It's like nothing really happens to him or nothing really
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  Speaker 2: affects him. And it's like you when they when they're
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  Speaker 2: forced to make a male MC, they're starting to write
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  Speaker 2: them the way they write their female mcs that they're
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  Speaker 2: completely insulated from consequences and they have they don't earn anything,
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  Speaker 2: and they don't have any logical emotional interior arcs based
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  Speaker 2: on honor and sacrifice and justice and higher principles like
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  Speaker 2: the Dream of Rome. It's infuriating, yep. So they're just
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  Speaker 2: man in name only.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good way to put it, all, right.
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  Speaker 1: Number one, From hero to failure over and over. Legacy
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  Speaker 1: male leads are rewritten as failures so a brand new
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  Speaker 1: character can walk in and take their place, usually a woman,
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  Speaker 1: a replacement that inherits the story without earning it. This
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  Speaker 1: isn't one or two franchises from space operas, the science
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  Speaker 1: fiction reboots. The old male hero is killed off or
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  Speaker 1: sidelined or turned to a loser, so the new lead
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  Speaker 1: can look strong by comparison, not through real heroism but
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 1: through his humiliation, and they literally just pick up the
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  Speaker 1: mantle and they just carry on with it. They don't
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  Speaker 1: earn it, nothing like that. And there's countless examples, and
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  Speaker 1: I think it's killed franchise. Like people are talking about
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  Speaker 1: trying to bring back Bond, but they killed him last.
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  Speaker 1: And they replaced with a woman in the last movie,
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  Speaker 1: So they're gonna have to literally pretend like that never happened.
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  Speaker 1: And do you think you're gonna piss people off that
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  Speaker 1: like like the idea of killing bond off and replacing
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  Speaker 1: with a woman. That's just one example. There's countless examples.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's like, that's really big because I think
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  Speaker 1: that is number one, because it's like it was in
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  Speaker 1: the substrate, it was in the it was in the
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  Speaker 1: foundation of our culture. These these these characters, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and I mean there are obviously there were women characters
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 1: in there too, but the female ones get to remain.
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  Speaker 1: The male ones are the ones that are excavated, uh
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  Speaker 1: dug up and replaced.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the female characters also don't have these principles.
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  Speaker 1: Like they're like, no, they don't because they they're altered
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  Speaker 1: by extension. But they weren't. I don't know if it
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 1: was intentional to sort of like flatten the female characters.
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  Speaker 1: But when you do this to the male characters, you
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 1: affect the female ones.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's don't benefit women by throwing men under
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 2: the bus. You only benefit feminism. Let's be honest, right, Okay,
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 2: So this is yeah, she started by complaining about female characters,
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 2: and her complaints about female characters are spot on too,
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 2: because what's happened is female characters and stories are no
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 2: longer allowed to endure stakes like to suffer, to earn,
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 2: to be judged, to do things wrong. So they're so boring.
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  Speaker 2: It's why all the male characters when they are written,
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 2: are actually more interesting when they are present. Even the
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 2: male villains are more interesting. The only way they can
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 2: get rid of the fact that men are more interesting
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 2: is to make them completely incompetent, and even then they're
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: often more interesting in their incompetence because things happen to them.
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so this is I'm a little bit worried
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 2: about tangled, Like how are you writing so fast? It's
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 2: a little obsessive. But anyway, so it's like, this is
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 2: even the female characters are just I honestly, I think
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 2: they're worse. And the worst thing that's happened is they've
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 2: taken the same problems that they have with the female characters.
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 2: Now they're hallowing out the male characters and injecting those
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 2: problems into them. And it's like, this is this is
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 2: just unbearable. Oh, because it is. It is like the
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 2: writing itself is so lacking in anything any depth. It's
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 2: all just and and again, like it's like they they've
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 2: they've constructed these characters. They judge their own actions, which
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 2: creates a narrative black hole. And then when they when
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 2: they put that on it, then then when everybody's like,
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: we need male characters, they do that to the male
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 2: characters and they destroy them too. Okay, Just I think
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  Speaker 2: I think whoever's writing these stories just needs to stop.
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 2: Just stop.
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  Speaker 1: That would be my suggestion. Just stop doing that, just.
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  Speaker 2: Stop doing it. Just you don't know how to write.
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 2: You need to stop. You need to spinge the the
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  Speaker 2: ideology out of your brains. That'd be a good start
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 2: learning how to write. And then uh, and then come
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 2: back to it with some some uh you need to
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 2: practice for a while then maybe come back. You need
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 2: like a montage.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 1: All right, all right? I got a super Child from
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  Speaker 1: Richard for one hundred. Yeah, Richard Pierre gives one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and says tangle hierarchy. If you put a penny in
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  Speaker 1: a jar every day for a year, you'll have thirty
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 1: six dollars to donate to HBr. If you put a
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 1: quarter in a jar, every day for a year, then
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 1: you could have ten thousand dollars to give to HBr.
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  Speaker 2: What.
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you for that. I'm not going to think
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  Speaker 1: about it too hard.
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 2: No, it's I'm sure Tangled is really going to think
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 2: hard about the logic though. All right.
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 1: Richard Bierre gives us fifty dollars and says.
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  Speaker 2: S p q R, Yes, s PQR, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I'm I'm ready.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm good too. I'm hungry already. I'm just going
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 2: to make sure we've thanked everybody. Uh, okay, no, this
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  Speaker 2: little confusing because we got up quite a bit of
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  Speaker 2: who kept this long and tangled. Just go take to
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 2: go take a nap, maybe have a have a sippy
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 2: cup and some ten d's. You need to calm down,
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 2: Go get you blanky. All right, but thank you, I
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 2: mean very much appreciate it. I'm not exactly sure what
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 2: you were proving to yourself. At one point you said
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 2: you you have more principles than to do what we do.
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 2: But what is it you're doing here. Your principles have
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 2: led you to to shill for a show that you
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 2: think is unprincipled. So I think you need a nap
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 2: to untangle that. All right, back to you, Brian.
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