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ONLY BOMBS! 38: Frank Caesar | Roast, Reflect & Rebuild · Only Bombs! Comedy Podcast

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  Having a little bit more wisdom and discernment
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  about what I invest my energy into I always try
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  and think a couple steps ahead and like how would
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  this look in a week and how would this look to
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  people in this level of comedy or this level
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  of my profession versus My level versus a level
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  under like whatever it reinforced that and moving
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  forward I'm definitely going to pay attention
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  to what I put my time into people can go like
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  30 years like being penniless and unknown and
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  Yeah, maybe respected but like not like nobody
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  knows you are not selling tickets and then out
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  of nowhere you pop and especially with like how
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  the internet is and how company is like anybody
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  could really pop at any time Mm -hmm. So I'm
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  like, I mean as long as I get to do comedy and
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  I'm getting better That's what I'm that's really
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  like the focus right now Yeah, and whatever happens
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  happen like fame like what does fame look like
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  to you like, you know, like all that kind of
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  shit. I So I don't really give a shit about like
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  being famous. Nice. Like, my dream fulfilled
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  would be to be able to go to like whatever club,
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  wherever in the country, not even internationally,
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  and just make enough to pay my bills and to have
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  the respect of my peers and send my kid to college.
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  That's it. How's comedy been for you, man? How's
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  everything been going? It's been a little back
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  and forth Yeah I'm you know, like I feel like
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  I'm probably my own biggest critic but I felt
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  like I had a lot of momentum and then the big
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  terrible thing happened and then fucking Just
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  dropped but I'm doing fine. I guess I can't really
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  complain. Yeah. Yeah, that's good You know, it
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  seemed like you were you were going to the mothership
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  and everything, right? Well, that was like after
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  all that had happened it was I honestly don't
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  even know what I'm allowed to say. Really? But
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  the day that happened, the night before that
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  had all happened, I had the worst roast battle
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  I've ever had in my life. I bombed harder than
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  I've ever bombed even doing standup. I was an
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  out of body experience, I was watching myself
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  in the crowd and just being like, dude, you're
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  drowning up there. So it was the worst roast
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  battle ever, which... was painful because I haven't
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  had like a bad roast battle yet like that and
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  then that happened the next day and then the
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  day after that I had mothership roast battle
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  and then the day after that I did the mothership
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  thing the mic and then but you know it was yeah
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  yeah so like I mean like I said I probably am
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  fine but it just felt like It's getting back
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  to more of like a normal spot now, kind of, but
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  for a while it was just like, oh, I'm fucked.
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  I'm gonna have to leave Austin. Wow, yeah. And
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  so like, what made the, I guess like the bombing
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  like so bad? Wow. Well, so like, I didn't really,
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  I should have taken that battle way more seriously.
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  I also went into it knowing, cause like Monford
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  is a beast. Sure. Cause with Rose Battle, it's
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  all about getting in your opponent's head. Almost.
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  And being likable, getting in their head, and
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  like, just... You can't get in Manfred's head.
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  It's a steel trap. He doesn't seem like anybody
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  who can get in his head. No, he's barely in his
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  head, man. Like, it's... And then he's just so
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  likable and so silly and so hard. Like I, if
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  I wouldn't have had, cause I was writing for
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  two battles that week. If I wouldn't have had
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  the battle mothership, like two days after that,
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  that I had to also write for, I probably would
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  have taken it much more seriously. Not that I
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  didn't take it seriously, but like I would have
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  invested all my energy into that. And, um, but
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  I mean, like I go into every battle, like I'm,
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  oh, I'm going to lose. So, but yeah, I'm going
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  to have fun. So you, so you go into it with a
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  more like pessimistic sort of, not even pessimistic,
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  just realistic. Cause basically. For the most
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  part, there's been like one or two battles where
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  I was like, oh, this is a layup. But like most
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  battles, I go into it knowing like, all right,
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  they're pretty competent and there's a good chance
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  you'll lose. But I think that encourages me to
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  kind of like work harder. But yeah, no. So that
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  one I went in, I was like, even if I was like
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  full Like invested into it. I was like I'm probably
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  gonna lose it because I think I've only ever
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  seen Monford or Munford my bad Lose like once
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  in real life, and I'm sure he's lost more than
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  that, but like he's he's crazy good Yeah, yeah,
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  I've seen him a few times. I guess I at a you
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  know, just at the creek a few times and You know,
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  he's pretty funny, but how do you how do you
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  prepare for your roast battles? And is there
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  any kind of like like collaboration at all? It
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  depends on the battle. So sometimes sometimes
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  I battle people that everybody doesn't like.
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  And then I get like a lot of outside help and
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  I get a lot of people are more willing to like
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  let me workshop with them. But it's usually pretty.
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  Collaborative in the sense of. Like everybody's
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  down to like, listen and give feedback. And then
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  there's some roasts where they're like, you can
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  tell like, oh, I wish I was roasting this person.
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  Please say this because I hate them. So those
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  are always also fun because, but like for me,
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  like everybody I feel like does it a little bit
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  differently. Um, like, like Lino, like some people
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  write, like it's one, sorry. Some people write
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  like, 50 jokes and then they have all this to
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  choose from well for me. It's like I Write maybe
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  like seven jokes that I really really like and
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  then from there choose and then it's already
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  just a hard enough time with that mmm But also
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  every battle is different so like if I don't
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  know somebody I'm going off of basically either
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  what they look like or the information they give
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  to me. So sometimes I'll have a lot. Sometimes
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  I'll have like nothing until like I meet them
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  in person. But, you know, it's just professional
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  bigotry, which is really fun. Professional bigotry.
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  That's all it is. Yeah. I've never heard that
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  term, but that kind of makes sense in a way.
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  Yeah. Yeah. I get to be like nothing is worse
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  in roast battle than just going up against a
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  white guy. Because, like, what do you have against
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  them? It's like, oh, you're gay. But they're
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  not even gay. So it's like, oh, there's that
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  suspense of disbelief in the crowd compared to,
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  like, if you're going up against a white gay
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  guy, oh, you have so much to work with. There's
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  some things that you're trying to, like, pick
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  and find some. Nothing's worse than just, like,
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  a boring person. Not that they're boring, but,
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  like... It's like, oh, tell me about yourself.
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  Who would you rather make fun of on the bus?
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  It's like, oh, just this average white male or
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  an overweight trans person. What do you have
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  more material off rip with? Yeah, you're just
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  looking for something. It's all just you're attacking
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  character. It's middle school bullying, but with
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  like real adult racism and super fun. I love
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  that. It's super fun and super fun. But I totally
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  get it, though, man. Has anybody ever sort of
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  like crossed the line with you and like said
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  something that you were like, oh, fuck, dude,
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  that was low. That's a weird one. I don't really
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  like believe in that in Roast Battle because
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  it's a consensual Like thing it's like like it's
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  like mutual combat in Texas if you get knocked
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  the fuck out Mm -hmm, like if you get hit in
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  the nuts like yeah, that was kind of lame, but
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  you signed up for it Really the only time I have
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  like even like kind of an inkling of an issue
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  is when people like Get upset and then they're
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  just being like weirdly like personal like I
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  roasted And I won't even say he was upset, but
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  I roasted this guy from New Orleans. And he's
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  really funny. He's like a vet in New Orleans.
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  He was undefeated until he met this fucking guy.
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  But we were in Nashville for the super card,
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  and he gave me fucking nothing on him. So I was
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  just like, all right, well, I just have to be
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  super racist. And he'd never been defeated, so
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  you could tell he was kind of getting frustrated,
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  but I... Buried him and then by the end of it
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  because like the easiest thing for me is people
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  like always just like oh You have a kid Mm -hmm
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  near you live here, and she lives so like that
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  I mean I get it and some of them are really really
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  funny But he just got like to the point where
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  he wasn't even being funny. He's like yeah he
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  Look at us who would you guess is the deadbeat
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  dad and like and like yeah? He doesn't have his
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  kid probably like a touching situation. I'm like
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  what are you talking about right now, dude you're
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  Drowning right? It's not even like me getting
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  mad at them It's just me like feeling bad that
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  they're bombing so hard that they're like now.
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  It's just like a custody battle like it's not
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  even you're just Like I don't get it, but I don't
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  I don't think there's any Any like lines that
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  you really can't cross in Rose battle at least
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  I guess the line is like is basically made by
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  whether or not the Rosa they give you is funny,
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  right? Yeah, but like even them like so Muhammad
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  Like he opened up our roast by calling me a gook
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  And then I told him afterwards I'm like you understand
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  how unfair that is like I can't call you Your
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  slur and he's like, no, dude, you should have
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  they would have crushed bro. I'm like, I wish
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  I would have fucking I'm sorry, I didn't mean
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  to interrupt you I love mom and two. Oh my god.
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  He's so funny dude. He's great. He's a He's our
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  little token. Yeah Yeah, he's a character for
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  sure man So like what do you do to prepare for
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  these roasts? Like do you like kind of like look
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  into their social medias or you know anything
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  like that? It's different for everybody so like
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  I'm trying to think of a roast that isn't like
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  the Diva Cup one I Don't want to say the name
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  Gotcha trying to keep my nose clean and I've
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  just got unbanished. Like Dakota's. So Dakota
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  and I already have like a friendship. And then
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  also it's like, look at him. He's like Peter
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  Pan. So it's like, there's just so much I could
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  go off that I don't really have to go into like
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  any of his personal stuff. But then there's like,
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  like when I roasted Sean Zapp from LA, I didn't
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  know anything about him other than he looked
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  crazy. Uh, and I don't like doing like you look
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  likes too much because they're kind of drawn
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  out. Sure. Um, so then I, when he finally messaged
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  me and was like, here's all the info on me. And
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  I was like, all right, there's like a well here
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  I can pull from. Um, but yeah, no, it just depends.
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  So like, if I have to deep dive on people, it
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  gets weirdly personal, I feel like. So like I
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  try to take the most surface level stuff. So
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  it just seems more fun, but I can still be like
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  mean. Like Avery Dower, he went on a podcast
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  and said I said some of the most heinous shit,
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  but it was well written at least. It was well
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  written. Yeah, heinous shit. Yeah, it's weird
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  going out of town, just people will be like,
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  oh dude, you're the Diva Cup guy. And I'm like,
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  I don't like that. I don't like that at all.
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  They're like, no, Diva Cup full of poop's great.
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  I'm sorry. Oh, dude. So why roasting, to begin
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  with, and not your conventional open mics and
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  all that shit? Why, right? Why? I wish. I fucking
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  wish. Honestly, I love roast battle so much and
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  everything. It's given me the opportunity to
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  do. But it's annoying to not be able to just
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  be a standup guy. Like because I love stand up
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  way more than I love roast battle, but I think
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  roast battle such like not not in the sense of
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  like skill level but like Gatekeeping level just
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  the bar of entry is much easier to clear and
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  like anybody could do it really And it's popping
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  off I think on Instagram really especially is
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  what helps it out. Yeah, like roast contents
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  really big on Instagram and comedy contents kind
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  of getting like pushed out of like the algorithm,
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  especially in like TikTok and stuff. So I think
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  that's probably at least why I stick with Rose
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  Battle for the clout. Yeah, I don't know. I'm
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  probably not even answering your question. I'm
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  so. No, no, it's good. It's good. Dude, I'm right
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  there with you. Like when you say you're tired,
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  I'm like, oh my gosh, like I basically work overnight.
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  So like whenever I do these things, it's sort
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  of like right before work. I'm always like a
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  little like tired because I'm just waking up.
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  But so I totally get it. But so like walking
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  through like when the first time you ever went
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  on a roast battle, like what's going on in your
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  mind? Well, the first time I went on a roast
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  battle, it was I think I had it a lot easier
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  because not only was it a layup, but I'd been
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  like wanting to go on a roast battle for a while.
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  And I didn't know like before I moved to Austin,
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  I didn't even know like. Roast battle is the
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  thing. I just thought it was like Comedy Central
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  roast Excuse me Like the Friars Club roasts and
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  things like that or just like Comedy Central
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  presents roast of like like Justin Bieber like
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  I went straight Dean Martin Yeah, I didn't even
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  it was like when I first started stand -up I
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  didn't know that it was something anybody could
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  do like I straight up thought you had to be a
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  famous actor who was funny, and then they let
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  you just go on stage and talk. Got you. Then
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  as I got older, I realized. But with Roast Battle,
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  like I said, I didn't know what it was until
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  I moved here, and I didn't know really how to
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  roast until I moved here because of Bananaphone.
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  It's so low pressure because you're just in the
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  crowd. Yeah. The first Roast Battle though, It
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  was just it was I was very excited to finally
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  be able to do it because Somebody else was running
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  it before Ridley run ran it And I'd been trying
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  to get on for like a year at that point and it
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  was always like yeah We'll get you on and then
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  they'd be like do you want to roast this guy?
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  And then I'd say yes, and then they'd ghost me
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  so mm -hmm Yeah, yeah, so it was kind of like
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  it was something you had to like work towards
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  so you like we're like straight up Yeah, like
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  I want to I want to be like a roast comic. Yeah.
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  Yeah, I was like like Because from banana phone
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  like so when I moved here the first mic I did
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  was banana phone Mm -hmm, and then it was like
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  basically every Sunday That was how I started
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  my week was going to banana phone and for like
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  a year Nobody knew who I was until I started
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  really hitting banana phone and that's when people
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  were like, oh dude good shit last night like
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  they started like knowing who are like knowing
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  me and like saying hi to me and then like So
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  I just felt like the natural next progression
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  if I wanted to get like any footing in Austin
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  as a comic was to do roast battle because I was
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  like we'll already have like somewhat of a reputation
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  for Doing okay at banana phone if I could do
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  well at roast battle People like me and they
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  don't like me, but they know me now. So yeah,
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  yeah So banana phone was your first like open
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  mic and everything Open mic here. Yeah here.
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  Okay here. Yeah, I got off a train I showered
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  and then we went to Creek in the cave and did
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  banana Wow, because for a minute there I thought
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  you were saying that was your first like open
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  mic. I was like, holy no, dude. That's a crazy
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  one That's almost worse than doing kill Tony
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  as your first time for comedy Yeah, pretty watch
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  man because nobody at the time saw it. So it
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  was like anything could be said They still do
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  these, but they were saying crazy shit. So like,
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  it's like, ugh. I couldn't imagine that being
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  my first time doing stand up. I would kill myself.
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  They had a guy I saw at the creek, and he told
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  me that, you know, he's always wanting to get
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  up on stage and everything. And I was just fucking
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  around with him. And I told him, I was like,
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  there's this great open mic tonight. It's called
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  Banana Phone. All you got to do is sign up. They're
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  very gentle, very sweet. Just go ahead and get
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  on there. And he's dead now. As soon as he walks
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  on one stage, you just get sniped. I don't know
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  if he did it, but I've seen him around and he's
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  good. So where did you get your actual official
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  start, like open mic and comedy? Peoria at the
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  Jukebox in Illinois, which was nice because it's
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  five minutes, show up, go up, and everybody there.
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  at least at the mics was marginally not great.
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  So I saw it and I was super nervous when I got
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  there. I was like, oh, I could be this bad. Totally.
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  I'll be fine. Right. And then I was better. No,
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  but no, no. It's a small scene. It was a small
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  scene, but it's also like a really it's. There's
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  like a weird appreciation for comedy within the
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  scene because like Pryor started in Peoria. He's
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  from Peoria. Kennison from East Peoria. Um, and
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  there's just nothing to do out there. So like,
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  if there's anything fun to do, people like kind
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  of flock to it. Um, so I just started twice a
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  week doing basically like 10 minutes a week going
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  to the two open mics. And, uh, I, uh, yeah, it
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  was, it was grassroots. I'd go do comedy and
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  do drugs in the parking lot. What's Peoria like?
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  I've never been there, you know. Oh. Well, so
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  like Illinois, everybody knows Chicago. Sure.
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  Yeah. And some people know Springfield because
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  it's the capital. Peoria is in the middle. Peoria
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  is like Chicago, but sad. OK. Is that where you're
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  from? I'm from Chicago, but I moved to Peoria
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  like... a couple years before I started comedy.
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  Oh, okay. And, yeah, no, Peoria is basically
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  like all the losers from Chicago, all the people
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  that are like, oh, I wish I was in a gang, but
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  nobody likes me, like that. They move down to
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  Peoria and they shoot each other, and that's
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  what Peoria is, and like literally it's, I have
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  a love -hate... Relationship with Peoria because
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  there's so so many nice people and there's really
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  cool stuff there But it's it's like a lot of
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  losers from Chicago that come down and try and
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  like yeah run shit, bro And then they ruin the
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  seat like literally everybody in Peoria works
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  hard as fuck all week a terrible Backbreaking
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  jobs just to go to Main Street and get drunk
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  on the weekends and like that's that's all they
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  have to live for it's really it's really sad
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  Yeah, people are gonna like that. I said that
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  but that's it's true There's nothing really going
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  on there anymore, which is sad because it used
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  to be such a industrious town They used to have
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  more theater seats than New York because that's
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  where they're saying if it plays in Peoria comes
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  from like They don't test shit in Peoria like
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  for like theater stuff But yeah, no, it was also
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  nice because it's kind of like Austin like it's
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  right in the middle of Texas So you're two hours
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  away from Dallas three hours away from Houston
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  four from Corpus five from Mexico Like it's it
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  was like that where it was like, oh, it's only
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  like a two and a half hour drive One and a half
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  hour drive in most directions and you can be
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  in Chicago, Iowa St. Louis Springfield, whatever
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  so it was just like a very nice spot to start
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  because the bar was so like low pressure wise
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  and the community was for the most part very
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  nice and like it that People were hungry for
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  something. Yeah, super fun. I kind of sounds
• 20:31
  like a New Orleans, you know, cuz uh You mentioned
• 20:35
  a second ago about how people work hard and then
• 20:37
  get off and go drink and shit like that. That's
• 20:40
  what it was like growing up in New Orleans. It
• 20:42
  was just like, essentially that's where you're
• 20:44
  headed is the bar. Yeah, it's just New Orleans
• 20:47
  without the one fun thing every year. The one
• 20:52
  fun thing every year there is you get... blizzarded
• 20:55
  in with some chick you've just started talking
• 20:58
  to and you get to bang it out for like five days.
• 21:00
  That's it. That was my Mardi Gras. These snow
• 21:05
  capped mountains. That's crazy as your Mardi
• 21:10
  Gras dude. I experienced like snow. for the first
• 21:14
  time, like heavy snow in Virginia. Yeah. And
• 21:17
  now, you know, being from New Orleans, it's like,
• 21:19
  you know, yeah, we didn't fucking we saw snow
• 21:21
  for like an hour, maybe like every other year,
• 21:24
  you know, so that is pretty fucking crazy. But
• 21:27
  like, but what prompted you to even like start
• 21:30
  comedy to begin with? Well, I mean, like, I always
• 21:33
  liked comedy. And my my family was very much
• 21:36
  if we were all together now, it was just like
• 21:39
  my crazy, lovely mother. Um, it was like, oh,
• 21:44
  if it's funny, it's okay. So I get away with
• 21:46
  a lot of shit and my uncles were always really
• 21:48
  funny and they loved making people laugh. I was
• 21:50
  always around that. And then I grew up, uh, we
• 21:53
  had cable still and they had the premium channels.
• 21:55
  So I'd get to watch like premium blend and like,
• 21:58
  uh, the comedy central roasts. And then like,
• 22:01
  I remember, like, the first time I saw a Jessalynx
• 22:04
  special, I, like, wrote all the jokes down in,
• 22:06
  like, a notebook to tell to people later, because
• 22:08
  it was so funny. And my mom found it, and she
• 22:11
  thought I wrote it, and I was like, no, no, no,
• 22:13
  I didn't rape anybody. But so, like, I grew up
• 22:18
  just heavy on comedy. I think the first real
• 22:22
  special I saw... was like, I had, I have black
• 22:26
  friends. I had a black friend that grew up across
• 22:28
  the street from me and he came over for a sleepover
• 22:30
  and he had like a burned copy of Kevin Hart's,
• 22:35
  it was Laugh In My Pain, which was like his best
• 22:37
  special. Oh, it was a great special. Yeah. And
• 22:39
  we were, I had never laughed until that point
• 22:42
  so hard that I cried. And then just from there,
• 22:45
  it was like a snowball. And then I never really,
• 22:48
  like I said, I didn't know you could just do
• 22:49
  comedy. Sure. Yeah. Cause like, Kevin Hart Daniel
• 22:53
  Tosh even Anthony Jeslin think they were all
• 22:55
  like either on TV or like in movies So I was
• 22:58
  like, oh you have to like get on TV or being
• 22:59
  a movie to do to just talk to people and then
• 23:01
  listen so I was so I started doing like theater
• 23:06
  and like music getting comfortable on stage doing
• 23:09
  that and then During the pandemic when everybody
• 23:12
  was fucking dying. I was like, well I better
• 23:16
  See about trying Yeah and I hit up the club and
• 23:21
  they're like, yeah, we got open mics. We're not
• 23:23
  supposed to be open, but we're open. Yeah, we
• 23:25
  never stop. That's it. Yeah, no. I mean, they
• 23:28
  stopped for a little bit. The owner was crazy.
• 23:31
  He's sick. The best person in the world. He's
• 23:33
  insane. But you know, so 2021, I went and did
• 23:40
  my first open mic. But that was also after just
• 23:42
  years of like doing like plays and musicals and
• 23:47
  choir and band. Being in bands, so Like I always
• 23:53
  gravitated towards stage and always wanted to
• 23:56
  do music But as soon as I found comedy like I
• 23:59
  was in a punk band Before I started comedy and
• 24:02
  when I first started comedy and the first mic
• 24:04
  I did after that I never went to another practice
• 24:07
  again. Oh like I was like you guys well just
• 24:11
  cuz in music There's so many like divas there's
• 24:13
  it's like that's like the big there's divas in
• 24:15
  comedy But you don't have to deal with that when
• 24:17
  you're doing it When you're on stage, you're
• 24:20
  on stage. It's you and the crowd and the mic.
• 24:23
  That's it. Um, like the first band I was in,
• 24:27
  I was a senior in high school and I answered
• 24:31
  a Craigslist ad for a guitarist. And it was a
• 24:34
  bunch of like 27 year olds, like in Peoria that
• 24:37
  needed a guitarist. And, um, like I was just
• 24:41
  17 with these 27 year olds who, I mean, for the
• 24:46
  most part, like in terms of the music industry,
• 24:49
  didn't have anything going on for them. They're
• 24:51
  all super like, devious. If I tried to like,
• 24:53
  I was a theater kid, so like I knew like, like
• 24:57
  I would try and tell the vocalist, I was like,
• 24:58
  you should really like support, use your diaphragm,
• 25:00
  support your breath, it'll be easier for you,
• 25:02
  you won't ruin your voice. And he would just
• 25:04
  get mad and like, so like, you can't like, musicians
• 25:08
  take constructive criticism so terribly. They
• 25:11
  really do. I grew up on that and then they ended
• 25:15
  up kicking me out of the band after I turned
• 25:18
  18. And they took basically like a bunch of music
• 25:22
  I had wrote and recorded an album, but they did
• 25:25
  it terribly because I wasn't there. So that was
• 25:28
  my first experience with the band. And then I
• 25:30
  joined another band and then I started comedy
• 25:32
  and it was just so much easier to deal with.
• 25:35
  You don't have to worry about not even like the
• 25:36
  diva side because there's really cool people
• 25:38
  in the music scene everywhere. But scheduling
• 25:41
  is also a huge issue, because getting yourself
• 25:44
  to an open mic is much more doable than getting
• 25:47
  five people into somebody's basement. Yeah, the
• 25:52
  collaboration between everybody would be a pain
• 25:54
  in the ass. I was in a few bands myself, and
• 25:58
  I did the whole Craigslist thing before, where
• 26:01
  I answered an ad and went out, and dude, that
• 26:04
  was insane, dude. And it's terrifying. It is
• 26:07
  terrifying. It's terrifying, because you don't
• 26:08
  know who's showing up. And then you're like,
• 26:10
  oh, this should just be like a 50 year old with
• 26:12
  like a gun. Right. You know, dude, I don't know
• 26:15
  why that never like dawned upon me to ever just
• 26:18
  like be like, hey, is this smart? Probably not.
• 26:21
  You know, like it never fucking dawn upon me.
• 26:24
  I was just like, all right, dude, I hope I impressed
• 26:25
  them. I want to get in on this. I met up with
• 26:28
  like you said a 50 year old that's so fucking
• 26:29
  funny because there was this dude who was like
• 26:31
  who's in his 60s. He played bass. He had this
• 26:34
  he was dressed like metal head. Right. This thinning
• 26:38
  out black hair with the headband going on, all
• 26:41
  the fucking rings, the shirt like open only at
• 26:44
  his belly button. Like, you know, Nick Mars bar.
• 26:47
  Like basically that, dude. And I was like, what's
• 26:49
  your name? And he gave me his I guess it has
• 26:51
  to be a stage name. His name was Jethro Jethro
• 26:54
  Jethro, like Jethro Tull, I guess. But he was
• 26:58
  like, like just, you know, he's a bassist. And
• 27:00
  then he had a 17 or like 16 year old guitarist.
• 27:04
  and they wanted a vocalist, and so I was like,
• 27:07
  okay, well, where's the mic? And they were like,
• 27:11
  we don't have one, so you just gotta show us
• 27:14
  your chops. I was like, the fuck are you talking
• 27:18
  about? There's amps, there's drums, like what
• 27:21
  am I? You're just yelling. So the moral of the
• 27:25
  story clearly is, if you like young boys, never
• 27:29
  go to Walmart, it's a trap. Go on Craigslist
• 27:33
  and start a bank. Yeah, go on Craigslist. Don't
• 27:37
  go to H -E -B, it's a trap! It's a trap! You
• 27:40
  will get your ass beat by, like, 40 -year -old
• 27:43
  men. They hit you with the bags, like, you're
• 27:46
  just like, yeah, we're gonna fucking pay for
• 27:47
  this! Or, like, you'll get hit by a scooter,
• 27:52
  like, man. When I walked down to H -E -B before,
• 27:54
  dude, I almost got hit by, like, several fucking
• 27:56
  scooters and shit. I went to H -E -B before I
• 27:58
  came here to check the Pokemon fucking vending
• 28:00
  machine. The Pokemon vending machine? Yeah, just
• 28:03
  got into it, man. Pokemon's awesome. I thought
• 28:06
  you were going to say, I just got into vending
• 28:07
  machines. No, I just got into vending machines.
• 28:09
  I've been into vending machines, man. It's a
• 28:12
  problem. Same. But, you know, I'm just there
• 28:15
  and it's just always a hodgepodge of, like, the
• 28:17
  worst people in America. Not because they're
• 28:21
  Mexican. There's a lot of Mexicans on my AGV.
• 28:22
  That's not why. They're just... Yeah. They're
• 28:25
  just really... It's a sad place sometimes. In
• 28:27
  this particular neighborhood, there's a ton of
• 28:30
  Mexicans and... They have this one guy who like
• 28:34
  he was always waving and my girlfriend was constantly
• 28:36
  like, oh my gosh, I love that guy. He's like
• 28:38
  the friendliest guy in the world. He's always
• 28:41
  waving. And I'm like, babe, he's trying to get
• 28:43
  a job. He's not waving like to say hi. He's trying
• 28:47
  to be one guy to be a nice guy. And then the
• 28:51
  whole ice thing happened, dude. And they all
• 28:53
  disappeared. I was like, oh, no, I was like,
• 28:56
  oh, damn. I was like, maybe he was a nice guy
• 28:59
  and maybe I'm just tarnished. It's hard to be
• 29:02
  American and talk about ice because on one end
• 29:05
  you're like, oh, this is terrible. But on the
• 29:06
  other, you're like. Well, I don't have to worry
• 29:10
  about that. You're like, what about us, though?
• 29:13
  Like, didn't we do the same thing? I don't know.
• 29:17
  But like, I'm not really like a political dude.
• 29:19
  Like when the Queen died, like I thought it was
• 29:21
  ours. Nice. I was like, I really don't know much
• 29:26
  about politics. But do you like how long you've
• 29:29
  been in Austin? Uh, so January will be three
• 29:32
  years. I moved here January 20th, 24. Oh, okay.
• 29:37
  Um, so like right at the end of that, like boom,
• 29:41
  that happened. Yeah. So like after I'd moved
• 29:44
  for like six months, it was still like a hundred
• 29:47
  people would move here every three months and
• 29:49
  then a hundred people would leave when they got
• 29:50
  here. Yeah. And now it's kind of slowed down
• 29:52
  to like maybe 50 people every three months or
• 29:56
  maybe even less, honestly. And then like people
• 29:59
  are They're getting the fuck out of now. Yeah,
• 30:03
  why do you think? Just the boom's over. I think
• 30:06
  people, especially once they get here after a
• 30:08
  while, realize, oh, I'm not gonna get famous
• 30:10
  on Kill Tony, I guess. No. They're just like,
• 30:13
  well, there goes my dream. I'm gonna go back
• 30:16
  and work at a factory or be the king of the open
• 30:19
  mics in Tulsa. or something. I was like, it's
• 30:23
  it's it's OK. A lot of people move here and they're
• 30:26
  not realistic. And I think that's a big reason
• 30:29
  why people leave. Also, it's just so competitive.
• 30:31
  It is very I didn't realize it was cutthroat
• 30:34
  until all this stuff that had recently happened
• 30:36
  happened. But I knew it was very competitive.
• 30:38
  But I like that. So I enjoy it here. Is that
• 30:42
  is that something that you want to get into or
• 30:44
  you just sort of like, you know, the whole. Thing
• 30:47
  that happened or is that like something you want
• 30:49
  to kind of i'm down to get into it I just don't
• 30:51
  want to get in trouble. So I will be doing a
• 30:53
  lot of vaguisms. Um, i'll be doing a lot of uh
• 30:57
  the pronoun game of uh thems, uh Like not they
• 31:02
  thems but like not naming names. Um, but like
• 31:05
  yeah, no I didn't realize until that had happened
• 31:08
  just how fucking Hungry some people are to get
• 31:13
  like any any kind of attention or traction here
• 31:16
  Mm -hmm And I mean it kind of backfired because
• 31:20
  it helped me I feel like way more but Like I
• 31:24
  mean you move here and it's such a saturated
• 31:26
  scene, right? So everybody's trying to do the
• 31:28
  one thing that'll help them stand out and I think
• 31:31
  over the last year And it's I feel like partially
• 31:37
  responsible for it but like the the like the
• 31:41
  big thing now is like oh Drama moves shit drama
• 31:45
  can like be entertaining and just the problem
• 31:48
  is people are fucking stupid And they don't understand
• 31:51
  like oh, it's not fun to deal with and you can't
• 31:56
  just go crazy Yeah, like you can't you can't
• 32:00
  make AI videos of you shooting people and be
• 32:02
  like, oh just just fun drum, man But like you
• 32:06
  know that that whole thing was fucking Annoying
• 32:09
  and I was very very depressed. I was doing so
• 32:11
  much cocaine The snow -capped mountains as it
• 32:15
  were. Yeah. Yeah. No, I was I was not handling
• 32:18
  that well So I guess from like so for people
• 32:21
  who really don't like know what you're talking
• 32:24
  about Like what's like your sort of perspective
• 32:26
  on everything? Well, first and foremost, I don't
• 32:32
  think I was like in the right However, what I
• 32:37
  will say is while I never Very rarely was doing
• 32:40
  the smart thing and that whole kind of mess that
• 32:43
  was going on I don't feel like I ever did the
• 32:45
  wrong thing and I know that's that's weird to
• 32:49
  say but like It was so stupid Especially looking
• 32:55
  back on it because it's like who the fuck cares
• 33:00
  about some of these people but also it's like
• 33:05
  when I get like Angry about something I will
• 33:10
  become super petty about it and I know that and
• 33:15
  I I understand when a business has to make a
• 33:17
  decision especially with what everything going
• 33:19
  on with other comics in the scene and what they
• 33:22
  were doing I understand why action was taken
• 33:25
  the way was done and that's why I respected it
• 33:27
  and that's why I didn't like go off the deep
• 33:29
  end and start posting a bunch of crazy shit and
• 33:32
  like, like some people and, and, uh, like, I
• 33:37
  understand why what happened happened, but it
• 33:38
  was just, it was at least in my opinion, and
• 33:42
  a lot of the people that have talked to me when
• 33:44
  it was happening and since then, it just seemed
• 33:47
  really kind of unfair, even though it was understandable,
• 33:51
  if that makes sense. Um, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So
• 33:56
  like, um, so basically how did this whole thing
• 33:59
  like start to begin with? Really, it had nothing
• 34:02
  to do with her. The woman I roasted. It had nothing
• 34:09
  to do with her. There's a comic in the scene.
• 34:13
  He's very, very nice. I've never had a bad interaction
• 34:15
  with him. And I always start off anything I say
• 34:17
  about him with that. He's a very nice guy. But
• 34:20
  he's known fairly well and is kind of, for the
• 34:26
  most part, Not liked that much in the comedy
• 34:29
  community because of this but he he's known for
• 34:32
  essentially like kind of ripping off another
• 34:34
  comics act and he's made money off of it and
• 34:38
  the comic in question has had family reach out
• 34:41
  to him telling him to stop like and For the most
• 34:45
  part. I just kind of like well, this isn't gonna
• 34:47
  handle itself because fame and infamy, they start
• 34:51
  exactly the same way. You just get a bunch of
• 34:53
  attention. You don't know how it's gonna end
• 34:54
  up until way down the line. So I was like, this
• 34:57
  will balance itself out. People who give a fuck
• 34:59
  about comedy, this isn't gonna like age well.
• 35:03
  And then I saw a podcast of him with Rick Diaz,
• 35:08
  and he compared himself to the Beatles of comedy.
• 35:11
  And I love the Beatles, but I also love Mitch
• 35:14
  Hedberg. And that was just such like a cosmic
• 35:17
  crime to me that I was like, I'm going to say
• 35:20
  something, but I didn't want to go online and
• 35:22
  like bitch about it and make some video and attack
• 35:25
  him. So I went to, I did a character of him.
• 35:29
  I took it out. I did it on stage, which I think
• 35:31
  is what you're supposed to do as a comic. You're
• 35:32
  supposed to take stuff and put it on stage and
• 35:34
  make it funny. So I did a character of him at
• 35:36
  banana phone and it crushed this girl. Apparently
• 35:40
  is very good friends with him. And I didn't know
• 35:43
  that because her and I were friends for like
• 35:44
  two years. But she did not like that. And once
• 35:48
  the videos got posted of it, she got very upset
• 35:51
  and started attacking me, which is fine. And
• 35:54
  then she started attacking comics that were my
• 35:57
  friends. And that's when I was like, all right,
• 35:59
  this is ridiculous. So I did a character of her
• 36:02
  and that character did very, very well. And she
• 36:07
  didn't like that, which I understand. But I mean,
• 36:11
  for both the characters I did, for him and her,
• 36:14
  it wasn't me saying anything bad about them.
• 36:16
  It was just me looking at how they were behaving
• 36:19
  and then holding up a mirror to it and just doing
• 36:21
  what they were doing, because it was funny. It
• 36:23
  was cringy and it was funny. But that snowballed
• 36:27
  it even more. And at this point, I don't know
• 36:30
  what's going on behind the scenes, but behind
• 36:32
  the scenes, she starts trying to, like, organize
• 36:36
  against me, I guess. And then it... starts to
• 36:39
  culminate to the point where another comic who
• 36:41
  he's a bigger comic in the scene He reaches out
• 36:44
  to me. He's like, hey, just so you know This
• 36:46
  person is reaching out to comics from out of
• 36:49
  town and all the female comics in the scene to
• 36:51
  try and start like a hate campaign against you
• 36:53
  she's trying to say like you're a creepy rapist
• 36:55
  or something and so I responded to that and I
• 36:59
  challenged her to a roast battle and she accepted
• 37:02
  and She lost and I thought it was done And it
• 37:07
  seemed like it was done because after this, she's
• 37:08
  like, oh, we should collaborate. We can make
• 37:10
  fake drama. We can we can really sell this again
• 37:12
  because the drama surrounding all of it had gotten
• 37:15
  to such like a boiling point. And it was like
• 37:17
  a catharsis for the whole scene. It felt like
• 37:20
  because everybody as soon as they said, we have
• 37:22
  a Wajian roasting a trans woman, Creek exploded
• 37:25
  like it was one of the craziest things I've seen
• 37:30
  at Creek. I'm not just saying that because I
• 37:32
  was a part of it was just like the energy in
• 37:34
  that room was so electric and crazy because they
• 37:38
  wanted this to happen so bad and it happened
• 37:41
  at a perfect at a perfect time and it was this
• 37:43
  weird perfect storm of like Me and her going
• 37:46
  back and forth and then how she was treating
• 37:49
  other people and how I was treating other people
• 37:52
  Because you know your reputation is kind of everything
• 37:56
  So like it was at a point where she was kind
• 37:58
  of like burning a few bridges and people were
• 38:00
  kind of getting tired of it and I was like kind
• 38:02
  of capitalizing on that even though it didn't
• 38:04
  feel like that at the time, but I was and then
• 38:08
  I thought it was over but then Like this was
• 38:12
  in fucking I think May like literally a month
• 38:16
  later I hadn't talked to her like I stopped talking
• 38:18
  to her because she was blowing me up trying to
• 38:20
  get a rematch She posts a video in tags Creek
• 38:27
  And if I feel like if she wouldn't have tagged
• 38:29
  Creek, it probably would have been fine. But
• 38:32
  she's like, you know, Frank Caesar and this other
• 38:35
  guy are bullying these people and making me making
• 38:39
  this woman and a bunch of other women feel unsafe.
• 38:43
  And I feel like the unsafe thing is kind of what.
• 38:46
  Because that's why I understand because like
• 38:48
  everything that was going on right then there
• 38:49
  was comics getting like death threats from Creek
• 38:52
  There was another comic trying to like sue comics
• 38:54
  at Creek and sending crazy shit to them like
• 38:56
  there was a lot of stuff Creek in a management
• 38:59
  level and as a business was dealing with And
• 39:02
  I understand like as soon as that word unsafe
• 39:04
  pops up like you have to do something especially
• 39:06
  right now So I get it but because of that they're
• 39:09
  like look you're on a little hiatus could be
• 39:13
  permanent. I don't know But they also don't know
• 39:16
  everything that's going on. I didn't even know
• 39:18
  everything that was going on. So they're like,
• 39:20
  just get I told them my side of the story. They're
• 39:22
  like, send me some screenshots. I send them some
• 39:24
  screenshots. But once I got the screenshots,
• 39:27
  I didn't realize how fucking deep it was, dude.
• 39:30
  It was crazy. It was like like if I were if I
• 39:33
  were telling them telling people about stuff
• 39:36
  that was going on and I didn't have those screenshots,
• 39:38
  people would probably look at me like, are you
• 39:39
  fucking schizophrenic? Like, this is insane.
• 39:42
  Like. Like it like it like to the point of like.
• 39:46
  There was a comic who used to work in health
• 39:48
  care saying like, oh, I wish I could. We should
• 39:51
  we should like we I wish I could get his medical
• 39:53
  records so I could because he probably has like
• 39:55
  an STD or something. And then somebody was like,
• 39:57
  well, he doesn't even have to have one. We could
• 39:58
  just tell people as HIV and then like weird shit
• 40:01
  like that saying they're going to take life insurance
• 40:03
  policies out on me. So my daughter had money,
• 40:05
  which I don't know what that means. I can insinuate
• 40:07
  what that means. But like. Starting like a weird
• 40:11
  online burn book saying they're gonna post my
• 40:13
  picture everywhere in Austin with a link to it
• 40:15
  like really really like Like as a babbler, I
• 40:19
  say some crazy shit, but this wasn't this wasn't
• 40:22
  on stage. This wasn't a joke It was like an they
• 40:25
  were organizing and recruiting people like literally
• 40:28
  like Straight up saying they're trying to run
• 40:31
  me out of venues and then they did and once that
• 40:34
  happened like it was like my whole world was
• 40:38
  Crush because I've spent the last like the last
• 40:40
  two years. You can ask any comic who's asked
• 40:42
  me like For like I hate when comics ask for advice
• 40:46
  But like the only advice I ever really give is
• 40:49
  like don't waste your time building relationships
• 40:52
  with bars Spend time building a relationship
• 40:54
  with a club because that's how you're gonna make
• 40:56
  your career And that's what I've been doing for
• 40:57
  like two years with Creek trying to like really
• 40:59
  get in there and become part of the community
• 41:01
  and it felt like I finally had reached a point
• 41:03
  where I was and then it was ripped away and It
• 41:08
  was my fault like I could have just not engaged
• 41:11
  but like Also, that's not really who I am. Um,
• 41:15
  yeah at least at that point and I've definitely
• 41:17
  like learned a lesson about bugging open mic
• 41:22
  drama because somebody told somebody told me
• 41:24
  I don't remember who said it but they said either
• 41:26
  you're on her level or she's on yours and you
• 41:29
  got to decide and That was like, all right. Well
• 41:32
  then if if I think I'm doing better than her
• 41:34
  Do I need to waste my time on her or anybody
• 41:36
  that's trying to like start stupid Nonsensical
• 41:40
  drama because when this all happened when people
• 41:42
  found out because like I told a few people because
• 41:46
  I had to get screenshots But you know how word
• 41:48
  spreads around here. Even if you're like, hey,
• 41:50
  don't bring this up to anybody I don't want anything
• 41:52
  to come back on to the club, right? I don't want
• 41:55
  anything to come back on to anybody else. I'm
• 41:58
  just doing this to kind of cover my ass Like
• 42:01
  I was told to But then they tell people, and
• 42:04
  people would be coming up to me and they're like,
• 42:06
  this is fucking bullshit. Like, you don't even
• 42:08
  creep out women, you creep out guys. And I'm
• 42:10
  like, I know. Like, it's, I don't, so, like,
• 42:14
  it was, it was a very weird, drawn -out situation.
• 42:20
  Also happened at a very unfortunate time, because
• 42:22
  nobody was in town to handle it. But I'm thankful
• 42:26
  it's over, and I'm thankful it seems like things
• 42:28
  are kind of getting back to like a normal -ish
• 42:30
  level. Also, I probably thought about it way
• 42:34
  more than anybody else had because But it just
• 42:38
  it felt it felt shitty. Yeah So like what basically
• 42:43
  what does that look like for how you handle?
• 42:47
  Things in general from now on out. Yeah, like
• 42:49
  now like do you think that if if something pops
• 42:52
  up Do you think that you would you would do a
• 42:55
  caricature? Would you like sort of just be like
• 42:57
  I'm not gonna evolve with that anymore. Just
• 42:59
  like how would you handle it? Like I said, I
• 43:01
  don't think I always did the smart thing, but
• 43:03
  I don't think I did the wrong thing and I think
• 43:06
  Moving forward I need to have a little bit more
• 43:09
  discernment about whether something's worth my
• 43:12
  energy And then if I do do anything like if I
• 43:14
  were to do a character about somebody again Which
• 43:17
  I don't really enjoy all that much because I'd
• 43:19
  rather just do stand -up But if I was to do another
• 43:20
  character like it lives and dies with the character
• 43:23
  Like, I don't need to carry it on after that,
• 43:25
  I think, at least at this point. And especially
• 43:27
  right now, because things are just like, I just
• 43:30
  got back. And like, yeah, no, like, because really,
• 43:35
  I'm just here, I'm just here to do fucking comedy.
• 43:38
  Right. So like, once it got to a point where
• 43:40
  someone, someone managed to take away my ability,
• 43:43
  essentially, to do comedy, because even though
• 43:45
  I wasn't like banished from every club or was
• 43:48
  I wasn't like not allowed to go to every club.
• 43:51
  Like I just I was so unfunny. I was in such like
• 43:54
  a bad headspace because like what people don't
• 43:57
  understand about the Austin scene is like the
• 44:00
  club. That club is like the community hub. That's
• 44:03
  where all your friends are all the time. That's
• 44:06
  where that's where I go to celebrate Thanksgiving
• 44:08
  and Christmas. Like, you know, like it's it's
• 44:11
  it's the community. So it wasn't just like, oh,
• 44:14
  you can't do stand up here. It was like, oh,
• 44:16
  you can't. like be part of the community and
• 44:18
  all my friends had to like work around that which
• 44:20
  was really I felt bad and I felt really was really
• 44:22
  annoying for them to be like oh after this we
• 44:24
  can go to this show and then they're like oh
• 44:26
  wait you can't we will do something else and
• 44:28
  I have to be like no go but like on the inside
• 44:30
  be like fucking don't go like but also like I
• 44:33
  don't want to take any business with anybody
• 44:35
  over my own stupid choices yeah what was uh like
• 44:39
  I hope this doesn't come out like the wrong way
• 44:42
  so Like, you know, I have to answer it if you
• 44:44
  don't want to, but like, I'm kind of like, what
• 44:45
  was your intention from just getting involved
• 44:49
  in the first place? Well, my intention from getting
• 44:52
  involved, like with the Mish character, that's
• 44:57
  where it started. So that's where it really kind
• 44:59
  of peaked up. Because that's what I was kind
• 45:01
  of like wondering was like, where did it go crazy?
• 45:04
  Because we were friends until that night. Yeah,
• 45:06
  because it seemed like everything was kind of
• 45:08
  kosher. for a minute there. Yeah, her and I were
• 45:11
  very warm, very close until that night. That's
• 45:14
  when it all changed. But literally, it was just
• 45:16
  like, how can I address this? Because you can
• 45:19
  ask, like, 95 % of the comics in the scene, and
• 45:22
  they'll have the same opinion on it. Like, this
• 45:24
  is stupid. This is wrong. He shouldn't be doing
• 45:26
  that. But, like, nobody's going to say anything.
• 45:29
  And posting about it is gay. Like, that's like...
• 45:34
  Yes, so you're aware. Yeah, that's like silly
• 45:36
  like it's in other words like I'm not trying
• 45:38
  to put words in your mouth Please please if I'm
• 45:41
  wrong, but like but basically what it sounds
• 45:42
  like to me from what you're telling me Is that
• 45:44
  that all this is it was sort of a joke supposed
• 45:46
  to be a joke Is that right or was it like something
• 45:48
  like you're like, well, no, I need to point this
• 45:51
  out I need to let people know I actually like
• 45:54
  so my mom's in town. We just talked about it
• 45:56
  because she didn't know I got unbanned The way
• 46:00
  I describe the situation, because I don't think
• 46:02
  the entire situation, when you look at it as
• 46:03
  is, is anything even close to a joke with all
• 46:06
  the context that I didn't know about until recently.
• 46:09
  But, like, I tried, I think with the exception
• 46:12
  of maybe one or two times. Probably, I think,
• 46:15
  just one time. Everything I did to respond was
• 46:19
  always on stage, which I think is your job as
• 46:22
  a comic is, if there's something going on, it's
• 46:26
  not your job to be a fucking... TED Talker or
• 46:29
  a political commentator, you go on stage and
• 46:32
  you talk about it and you make it funny. And
• 46:34
  that's what I was trying to do. That's like,
• 46:38
  I wasn't going to go on Instagram and look down
• 46:41
  barrel at the camera and be like, it's wrong
• 46:43
  to imitate other comics, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 46:45
  Like, no, I'm gonna do it too, and I'm gonna
• 46:47
  do it as good as I can and make it funny. Like,
• 46:53
  but yeah, it was stupid, but it was also, it
• 46:56
  was a joke. Sure. And it got, it got subjective,
• 47:00
  comedy subjective. She took it the way she wanted
• 47:02
  to take it. She took, even though there wasn't
• 47:05
  really sides to take. Cause like I said, as a
• 47:08
  person, that guy is very, very nice and I have
• 47:10
  no problems with him personally. But like, it
• 47:14
  was something that a lot of people, excuse me.
• 47:17
  It was something that a lot of people in the
• 47:18
  scene were, were, you could like, you really
• 47:22
  couldn't go like more than a few days without
• 47:24
  hearing about. Oh, like. this fucking bitch guy.
• 47:28
  Like, I don't want to be like, I want to be like
• 47:31
  my mom just gossiping, like, in the back of a
• 47:35
  club. I'd rather just, like, talk about it in
• 47:37
  front of everybody and maybe that way at least
• 47:39
  we can laugh about it and then whatever. So,
• 47:44
  and that's the mindset I went in with both of
• 47:47
  those characters was like, yeah, hers was a little
• 47:51
  bit more like, oh, I'm doing this because you
• 47:54
  made me mad. Um, but even then it was just still
• 47:59
  like both those characters specifically were
• 48:01
  just behaviors that I saw them exhibit. Things
• 48:05
  I heard them say and acting the way I've seen
• 48:09
  them act. Uh, it wasn't me. Like the Mitch one
• 48:14
  was a little bit more like I had to write jokes,
• 48:16
  but the idea was like, Oh, I don't even know
• 48:18
  who Mitch is. Like, I'm just this funny. Like
• 48:21
  that was the point of the joke. And then with
• 48:23
  the other one, it was like, oh, so like you're
• 48:26
  going to act like you're saying you're literally
• 48:28
  telling comics. You're above them. And none of
• 48:31
  us are funny. And you're way better than them.
• 48:33
  And you're famous because you got pulled from
• 48:35
  a bucket. Like, I'm going to do that on stage.
• 48:39
  Like, that's literally all it was. I was just
• 48:41
  being a clout chaser on stage. That's it. I was
• 48:44
  just doing a lot of the things that I was saying
• 48:47
  in that set were things I've heard her fucking
• 48:49
  say. So it wasn't like I was. Writing shit to
• 48:52
  be mean. I was just holding up a mirror was the
• 48:55
  way I was looking at it And it was just funny
• 48:57
  because people also were like, yeah, this is
• 48:59
  kind of ridiculous Yeah, so it's not it kind
• 49:02
  of sounds to me like they uh, excuse me. I'm
• 49:04
  like, oh Pardon me. So it kind of sounds like
• 49:08
  to me that um Like they didn't take it as the
• 49:12
  joke like one of the jokes on you. Do you ever
• 49:15
  I don't not get it like But it's all about how
• 49:19
  you respond. And when someone makes a joke about
• 49:21
  me, my response is immediately, I'm going to
• 49:25
  start a secret group chat and organize a hate
• 49:27
  campaign and try and run you out of town. I'm
• 49:29
  going to respond and try and be funnier. Yeah.
• 49:32
  So you put it out there. You got on stage and
• 49:36
  that's, you know, that's the way that you tried
• 49:38
  to handle these these things that were essentially
• 49:41
  like. I guess like opinions, I guess like or
• 49:44
  was it like just um, like it wasn't anything
• 49:46
  that personally happened to me It was influenced
• 49:48
  by my opinion of them got nothing. I was doing
• 49:51
  was not something they were also doing Yeah,
• 49:53
  you know what I mean? Yeah, like the likes Like
• 49:57
  there's a line in the that I think I'll say the
• 50:01
  character named Francesca's That stand -up bit
• 50:04
  I did as that character was like my my friend
• 50:07
  my personal friend and famous celebrity Tony
• 50:09
  Hinchcliffe like Literally, I got that line because
• 50:13
  somebody showed me this person's Tinder profile
• 50:16
  and was like, yeah, I've been on till Tony like
• 50:19
  five times like Joe Rogan, Tony Hinchcliffe,
• 50:23
  and a bunch of other comics. I know them and
• 50:25
  I'm friends with them all. And I was like, that
• 50:26
  is the craziest thing I've ever fucking seen
• 50:28
  on Tinder. So I got like everything like literally
• 50:32
  I got from them. Like even like the you can argue
• 50:36
  the transphobic bit was like something she has
• 50:40
  said. So it's like it, it was never like I was
• 50:43
  going out of my way to be overtly like mean or
• 50:46
  offensive. I was literally just doing what they
• 50:48
  were doing. And I understand why they took it
• 50:50
  the way they did. But is it, was there like a
• 50:52
  point that you were just like, um, all right,
• 50:55
  this needs to be like, all right, I'm done. Like,
• 50:58
  okay, cool. So I'm fun finishes. So I just got,
• 51:00
  you know, just wanted to do a little joke, put
• 51:02
  it out there and it's over. Was there ever a
• 51:04
  point when it was like that or was it just sort
• 51:06
  of like Okay, well they're saying something now.
• 51:08
  I need to say something back or how was the progression?
• 51:11
  What I thought was the end was the roast battle
• 51:12
  because that was the the terms literally were
• 51:16
  Like if I lose I will post a public apology.
• 51:20
  I'll do a retraction. I'll remove these characters
• 51:22
  from my page I won't ever use them again. Mm
• 51:25
  -hmm All you have to do is take Katie out of
• 51:27
  your bio and she accepted it and I won and then
• 51:30
  even at the battle She's like we're squashing
• 51:31
  the beef. I thought the beef was done, but apparently
• 51:33
  I was fucking wrong Like, so like I said, after
• 51:37
  that battle, I texted her maybe a couple times
• 51:39
  about like a rematch because she wanted to. And
• 51:42
  I was just trying to be amicable and move past
• 51:44
  it and, you know, give her a little bit of grace
• 51:47
  because we're all comics and, you know, a lot
• 51:50
  of people here relatively knew. So I was like,
• 51:53
  yeah, you know, let's do it. And then it just
• 51:55
  got to a point where it was annoying. So instead
• 51:57
  of me, like talking shit to her, I was just like,
• 52:00
  whatever. And I stopped talking. And then like
• 52:02
  a month later, she posted that reel. So okay,
• 52:05
  so I thought it was on at the Rose Battle is
• 52:07
  it when you got to Austin? Did you have any idea
• 52:09
  like shit what happened like this for you like
• 52:11
  that? You would you know, like create we waves
• 52:14
  in a way It's weird cuz like I don't feel like
• 52:18
  I've created any waves. I just feel like Like
• 52:21
  I'm just doing comedy and doing rose battles.
• 52:24
  Mm -hmm. And Some people will straight up tell
• 52:28
  me like yeah, you're just a rose bella comic
• 52:29
  and then there's other comments would be like
• 52:30
  no dude like that was a moment that the scene
• 52:33
  will remember forever. And I'm like, that's gay.
• 52:35
  That's not true. But like, when I moved to Austin,
• 52:39
  the only thing I went in knowing was that being
• 52:43
  in my scene, I was comfortable, and I wanted
• 52:45
  to move to a scene where I was not comfortable,
• 52:46
  so I could get better. And that's just what I
• 52:49
  assumed was going on. And I know like, because
• 52:52
  there's drama in every scene. I was like, I guarantee
• 52:55
  it, I'm going to meet someone I don't like here.
• 52:59
  you know lo and behold everywhere you go, there's
• 53:01
  someone who doesn't like you or you don't like
• 53:04
  and So I just kind of handled it how I figured
• 53:07
  a comic would handle it and like I said I wasn't
• 53:10
  smart about it and In my opinion, I wasn't wrong,
• 53:13
  but I'm sure objectively there's cases where
• 53:15
  I was But now I didn't have any clue that I didn't
• 53:20
  have any clue I would move to Austin and get
• 53:22
  like creep charges thrown at me Like that was
• 53:24
  crazy and it's just it was weird that people
• 53:28
  would stoop to that level of like because Because
• 53:32
  of all this like stuff that's happened in entertainment
• 53:35
  specifically for the last like decade Like I
• 53:38
  feel like a lot of people don't realize like
• 53:40
  yeah when you say shit like that their career
• 53:43
  is over But that ruins their personal life yeah,
• 53:47
  so like Like, I'm not that anxious of a person,
• 53:52
  but, like, when this was going on and when I
• 53:54
  saw all those screenshots of what they were plotting
• 53:56
  to do, there was, like, a solid, like, month
• 53:58
  where I was, like, looking over my shoulder,
• 54:00
  because I was, like, anxious about, like, somebody
• 54:02
  trying to come out of the woodworks to attack
• 54:04
  me. Because I don't know, like, what's being
• 54:07
  said all the time outside of that group chat,
• 54:09
  but what was in the group chat that they know
• 54:12
  could be screenshotted was pretty terrible. So
• 54:15
  like, what are they saying when there's no eyes
• 54:17
  on it? You know, it was kind of like that. So
• 54:19
  I didn't, I had no clue that could happen when
• 54:21
  I moved here. Um, but I knew there was going
• 54:24
  to be like hitches and bumps in the road, I'm
• 54:27
  sure. Yeah. So now that, geez, I don't know what
• 54:30
  is going on with me, but, uh, excuse me. It's
• 54:34
  going to be fun to scrub that. But, uh, so like
• 54:36
  what, uh, like now that the dust, uh, now that
• 54:39
  the dust is settling, you know, like Well, you
• 54:42
  know, where are you hoping that things would
• 54:44
  go? Really? I I don't know. I really just want
• 54:51
  to be like fully back and not have to like. Like,
• 54:56
  obviously, like I want to behave myself, but
• 54:58
  like right now I'm in the stage of like, dude,
• 55:01
  watch your mind, your P's and Q's because like
• 55:03
  it's like even if I know I'm fucking nobody,
• 55:06
  but like I know that after something like that,
• 55:08
  there's probably a little bit more eyes on how
• 55:10
  you're acting. So it's like I kind of it's like
• 55:13
  being in school almost like I have to like really
• 55:16
  like watch how I'm behaving and but like really
• 55:19
  I just want to get back to a point where it's
• 55:21
  like I have the little bit of momentum I had
• 55:24
  which like oh it feels like I'm getting there
• 55:28
  and then not have it feel like at all weird.
• 55:32
  that I'm there because there is times when I'm
• 55:35
  there I'm like and I do feel like a little bit
• 55:37
  weird. So it's like also like I just want to
• 55:40
  like do comedy. So it really doesn't matter at
• 55:42
  this point as long as I don't have that mark
• 55:44
  on my record that that's what's important because
• 55:48
  like like I said it was like to the point where
• 55:50
  I was like I'm going to have to if this doesn't
• 55:52
  get resolved I will have to leave Austin because
• 55:55
  like if you're banned from one club some other
• 55:58
  clubs respect that ban. And then if you're banned
• 56:01
  from one club that's the community, you can't
• 56:03
  ever go like network or be part of the events.
• 56:05
  I also do stats for roast battles. Like I do
• 56:07
  have to be at the roast battle so I can see what's
• 56:09
  going on. So it's like - You do stats? Yeah,
• 56:12
  I run for the Austin chapter. I run the stats
• 56:14
  for roast battle. I had no idea that was even
• 56:16
  a thing. I think it's newer. Dan Wicks created
• 56:21
  this website that shows like the points and the
• 56:24
  rankings and the stats of each scene, the points
• 56:26
  of each battle. He's super autistic. He's really,
• 56:29
  he's super fun. And then he just hits me up one
• 56:32
  day, he's like, hey, do you want to do stats
• 56:33
  for the Austin scene? And I'm like, sure. Is
• 56:36
  it paid? No? Okay. Right. But so, so I, so I
• 56:39
  do that. But like, I just like, yeah. So moving
• 56:44
  forward, I just wanna be able to fucking do comedy.
• 56:46
  Yeah, you just wanna do comedy. I was at a place,
• 56:50
  I felt like, where I was about to move forward
• 56:54
  and now I feel like I'm still in that place because
• 56:57
  of my own actions. Like, now I'm gonna have to
• 56:59
  work, I feel like, a little bit harder, which
• 57:02
  I don't have a problem with, but yeah. Yeah.
• 57:04
  This might be like a weird sort of... Another
• 57:08
  weird kind of question, but but I always wonder
• 57:10
  like, you know, like when these kind of things
• 57:11
  like sort of happen You know, like what kind
• 57:13
  of lessons do you learn like from that? Like
• 57:15
  what's like your biggest takeaway from the entire
• 57:18
  experience? Just Having a little bit more wisdom
• 57:22
  and discernment about what I invest my energy
• 57:25
  into I like I always I always try and think a
• 57:29
  couple steps ahead and like how would this look
• 57:32
  in a week and how would this look to people in
• 57:35
  this level of comedy or this level of my profession
• 57:37
  versus My level versus a level under like whatever
• 57:41
  but I think I definitely It reinforced that and
• 57:46
  moving forward. I'm definitely going to pay attention
• 57:48
  to what I put my time into and like who I interact
• 57:52
  with It also taught me that like everybody I
• 57:57
  mean we're it's comedy so we're all out for ourselves
• 58:00
  even if we're in it together and so like I was
• 58:02
  surprised by like how many people that I wouldn't
• 58:05
  have expected to kind of be like a part of that
• 58:08
  group but I was way more surprised and way more
• 58:12
  like touched emotionally with like how many more
• 58:14
  people were just like rooting for me and like
• 58:16
  on my side and being like dude it's gonna be
• 58:18
  fine so like that was nice so like I learned
• 58:24
  I learned a lot like yeah, be careful who you
• 58:26
  talk to careful Who you associate with what you
• 58:30
  put your energy into and stay away from fucking
• 58:32
  drama because it's lame Yeah, you sort of like
• 58:34
  kind of kind of like figure out like, you know
• 58:37
  figure out your path You know from little things
• 58:39
  in the road there, you know, and uh, yeah many
• 58:42
  ways like I've had like similar kind of things
• 58:45
  just doing the podcast I didn't think that anything
• 58:47
  would ever be you know, like controversial or
• 58:52
  like, you know, anything. I was like, I just
• 58:54
  thought it was just two people just talking,
• 58:55
  you know, but, but yeah, man, it's like sometimes
• 58:58
  some clips that I post that just, I just didn't
• 59:01
  think were harmful in any way, shape or form.
• 59:04
  Like people, people have like ripped it up and
• 59:06
  like, you know, send me messages and I'm just
• 59:08
  like, what the fuck? You know, I don't understand
• 59:11
  it, you know, but you start to learn, you know,
• 59:13
  just like you're saying, you kind of start to
• 59:15
  learn like, Okay, maybe I need to pay a little
• 59:17
  bit more attention to, like, what I'm doing.
• 59:19
  Yeah. But what about, like, so what's your future
• 59:22
  in comedy? Like, how are you seeing that in general?
• 59:25
  No fucking clue. I have no fucking clue. It can
• 59:27
  go many ways. The most realistic ways is I end
• 59:31
  up penniless and dead and broke. Mean right now
• 59:37
  I think like my biggest thing I really really
• 59:40
  would love to do is like right for like a big
• 59:42
  roast and that's why I'm putting a lot of energy
• 59:45
  in a roast battle right now is because I'm trying
• 59:46
  to build like a portfolio for that and I hate
• 59:50
  it But like I like it's it's such a weird industry
• 59:54
  like people can go like 30 years like being penniless
• 59:59
  and unknown and yeah, maybe respected but like
• 1:00:02
  not like Nobody knows you are not selling tickets
• 1:00:05
  and then out of nowhere you pop and especially
• 1:00:07
  with like how the internet is and how Gil Tony
• 1:00:10
  is Like anybody could really pop at any time.
• 1:00:12
  Mm -hmm So I'm like, I'm as long as I get to
• 1:00:15
  do comedy and I'm getting better. That's what
• 1:00:18
  I'm that's really like the focus right now Yeah,
• 1:00:22
  and whatever happens happens And obviously I'd
• 1:00:27
  love for good things to happen But yeah, I think
• 1:00:30
  my biggest thing right now is you know Want to
• 1:00:33
  get past it more clubs in town and I want to
• 1:00:37
  you know, do something with roasting and Make
• 1:00:41
  enough money so I can at least pay my bills.
• 1:00:43
  So yeah. Yeah, I'll be pretty awesome And from
• 1:00:46
  what I know like the limited knowledge of like
• 1:00:48
  the roasts community from what I know to you
• 1:00:51
  like You know, from you being up in Illinois,
• 1:00:54
  I think, like, doesn't Chicago have, like, a
• 1:00:56
  massive, like, roast thing going on up there?
• 1:00:58
  They do. If I remember correctly, they kind of
• 1:01:02
  withdrew from RBL, which is, like, the league
• 1:01:05
  internationally. Roast Battle League, is that
• 1:01:07
  what that means? Yeah. Wow, dude, I didn't know
• 1:01:10
  that roasting goes that deep. I had no idea.
• 1:01:13
  I didn't either. I didn't realize it, but, like,
• 1:01:17
  there's a lot of cool stuff that Roast Battle
• 1:01:20
  League's doing. And I think if you want to, like,
• 1:01:23
  really do anything with roast battle, like, with
• 1:01:27
  roasting, you should do your best to, like, have
• 1:01:31
  a good relationship with the league and be part
• 1:01:32
  of the league. But everywhere does have roast
• 1:01:35
  battles. It's not, like, a new concept. So, like,
• 1:01:38
  yeah. Oh, okay. So, I'm sorry, I didn't mean
• 1:01:40
  to interrupt, but, like, if, like, the roast
• 1:01:42
  battle league, does that mean that there's, like,
• 1:01:45
  you know, like, an Austin chapter or something
• 1:01:48
  of the RBL? Yeah. And Austin roast battle. No
• 1:01:51
  way. I didn't know that. Roast battle ATX. Yeah.
• 1:01:53
  We're part of, we're the part of the, we're leading
• 1:01:55
  the Southern division. I think we're second or
• 1:01:57
  third league in the world. Um, and this might
• 1:02:02
  be an unpopular opinion and Dan wouldn't like
• 1:02:04
  that I said this, but I think the only reason
• 1:02:05
  we haven't, we're not ahead of New York is because
• 1:02:07
  New York just has so many roast battles. Oh,
• 1:02:10
  really? Yeah. Like we only have, um, roast battle
• 1:02:14
  three times a month in Austin as part of the
• 1:02:17
  league. Um, It's every other week at Creek and
• 1:02:20
  then once a month at Mothership. And those are
• 1:02:22
  the only ones that are eligible to be submitted
• 1:02:24
  for RBL. And there's also WRBL, which are the
• 1:02:28
  smaller leagues that are trying to work their
• 1:02:29
  way into the league. I think like the number
• 1:02:32
  one WRBL league in each season gets bumped up
• 1:02:36
  to the league and the number, the lowest one
• 1:02:40
  in the RBL gets demoted to W. What does a W stand
• 1:02:43
  for? World. World. Oh, okay. Yeah. Um, will Yeah,
• 1:02:47
  wills roast bad It's the widow was about a week
• 1:02:51
  the widow. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 1:02:53
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 1:02:55
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 1:02:57
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 1:02:57
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 1:02:57
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 1:02:58
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 1:03:07
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 1:03:08
  no, no, no, no, no, the best roasters in the
• 1:03:15
  world here. Oh yeah. New York has great roasters
• 1:03:19
  too. LA has great roasters too. Those are like
• 1:03:21
  the two other big scenes. But I think bar none,
• 1:03:25
  it's Austin. Yeah. And like I think if we had
• 1:03:30
  Roast Battle like every week, like we would probably
• 1:03:33
  be, I feel like number one. I might be wrong,
• 1:03:35
  but that's my opinion. Thank you. When I was
• 1:03:38
  watching a few like... I guess, bigger roast
• 1:03:41
  battles. And I might have been, like, watching
• 1:03:43
  the RBL ones, you know, and shit, but it was
• 1:03:46
  crazy, dude. Like, people would, uh... People
• 1:03:48
  would go... It looked like the stage was, like,
• 1:03:50
  set up, like, almost like a rap battle. Like,
• 1:03:52
  would I imagine a rap battle to look like? The
• 1:03:55
  stage was set up like that? And I always thought
• 1:03:57
  that was so... Oh, I'd be so sick if we handled
• 1:03:59
  them like rap battles, dude. If it was just a
• 1:04:01
  bunch of people in a circle, you'd just have
• 1:04:02
  two people walk into the middle and start spittin'.
• 1:04:05
  That'd be awesome. That would be that would be
• 1:04:08
  like it. So are you ever wanting to run your
• 1:04:10
  own roast battle? Yeah, yeah, actually right
• 1:04:13
  now. I'm working on I have to find a venue for
• 1:04:16
  it I'm I want to get it at Creek because the
• 1:04:19
  roast crowd there and the it's like it feels
• 1:04:22
  like that's where like the people their fans
• 1:04:24
  are roast battle go Because the shows are always
• 1:04:27
  great and the people there love it I'd like to
• 1:04:31
  get it. I'm working on an affiliate show. It's
• 1:04:33
  unranked, but it'd be like an affiliate of roast
• 1:04:36
  battle where it's like a different kind of roast
• 1:04:37
  battle. It's more of like an event game almost.
• 1:04:42
  So I'm working on that. I'll be hosting that
• 1:04:45
  whenever like a club gets back to me. I was talking
• 1:04:50
  to like Roscoe's about it. I haven't really heard
• 1:04:51
  much back from him. But also. Whenever Ridley
• 1:04:57
  starts hitting the road, I'd, you know, I'd love
• 1:05:00
  if he passed the torch to me, because I love
• 1:05:02
  Rose Battle so much, like in the... You're passionate
• 1:05:06
  about it. Oh, yeah, dude. It's literally... Oh,
• 1:05:08
  shit. No, I think that was me. I think I've been
• 1:05:10
  fucking dropping. Dropping your vape, dude. Don't
• 1:05:13
  tell. Letting the Nick slip. A Nick slip. Whoa,
• 1:05:19
  whoa, whoa. We're getting kind of close there.
• 1:05:23
  Left leading podcast. But no, I would love to,
• 1:05:29
  whenever Ridley is given up the reins, if I was
• 1:05:31
  even considered, I would, I would be very honored.
• 1:05:35
  Or if I moved somewhere, yeah, no, I would love
• 1:05:38
  to run my own chapter. Just because it's, it's,
• 1:05:42
  it reminds me, like, I don't, I don't look that
• 1:05:44
  athletic right now. But I played a lot of sports
• 1:05:47
  run -ups, so I have like that competitive drive
• 1:05:48
  in me. And it's that, I think roast battle is
• 1:05:51
  very similar to like boxing almost. So it's like,
• 1:05:54
  it's, it's, it's like, Super, super, there's
• 1:05:59
  so much depth to it. It's not just going up there
• 1:06:01
  and insulting people. It's a sport. Yeah, it
• 1:06:04
  seems like there's a thing. What I love about
• 1:06:07
  rap battles is that it's almost like a battle
• 1:06:10
  of wordplay. I love watching it because to me,
• 1:06:15
  it's poetry. It's quite literally poetry. It's
• 1:06:18
  kind of crazy. how they're able to do it. And
• 1:06:21
  so seeing like rap battles is like a whole other,
• 1:06:24
  I mean, rap battles or roast battles is like
• 1:06:26
  a whole other aspect of comedy that it's like,
• 1:06:28
  of course that's a thing that makes total sense
• 1:06:30
  why that would be a thing. But at the same time,
• 1:06:33
  it's like, I, dude, I don't even know. Like I
• 1:06:36
  have this curiosity within myself where I want
• 1:06:38
  to do it, but I'm also like, that's not really
• 1:06:40
  me as a person, you know? And so it's kind of
• 1:06:43
  like, that's kind of cool that like, you know,
• 1:06:44
  you, you touch base on how, you know, your competitive
• 1:06:48
  nature sort of Like, I see why you wanted to
• 1:06:51
  be, like, a roast battler. Yeah. Yeah. Because
• 1:06:54
  it's like, all comics are so deeply insecure.
• 1:06:58
  And that's why we do comedy. And we just want
• 1:07:01
  to show that we're better than other people,
• 1:07:02
  for the most part. So, like, roast battle's,
• 1:07:05
  like, the easiest way to do that, because it's
• 1:07:08
  you versus another person, and it's pure joke
• 1:07:10
  writing and pure persona and pure, like, it's...
• 1:07:17
  It's like magic how like weirdly competitive
• 1:07:22
  and like it sounds stupid to call it a sport,
• 1:07:26
  but it's like it's I'd watch roast battle any
• 1:07:29
  day over like football or soccer or lacrosse.
• 1:07:32
  I don't give a fuck about FIFA. Yeah. The only
• 1:07:35
  time I gave a fuck about FIFA was when they were
• 1:07:37
  siphoning our roast crowd. Like, so like it's
• 1:07:40
  so weirdly engaging, not just for the battlers
• 1:07:45
  or the panel, but for the audience, because you're
• 1:07:47
  really watching in real time, like, someone prove
• 1:07:51
  their shit. Like, especially when you're roasting
• 1:07:54
  someone, you're saying the most terrible things
• 1:07:56
  you can. But the trick is just saying it in a
• 1:07:59
  way that you're still likable, and that it's
• 1:08:01
  not just you being a terrible person, you're
• 1:08:04
  being clever, and, you know. You're not just
• 1:08:06
  going up there just saying some stupid shit,
• 1:08:08
  like, the key word being clever. There's a clever
• 1:08:11
  way to go about it. Yeah, clever with the hard
• 1:08:13
  R, you know? Not clever. Fuck. That's gotta get
• 1:08:21
  cut. Anyway. But no, man, that's pretty fucking
• 1:08:28
  cool, dude. And I really think it would be cool
• 1:08:31
  to see something like... I always thought the
• 1:08:34
  roasts were just... Just sort of just things
• 1:08:37
  that people just put together. They're just like,
• 1:08:39
  all right, cool. We're just going to do a roast
• 1:08:40
  now. You know, but it would be kind of cool to
• 1:08:43
  see like a major league sort of style like roasting
• 1:08:46
  thing. Well, that's what we got at Creek. It's
• 1:08:48
  it's RBL. That's that's really what RBL is. It's
• 1:08:51
  like it's the NFL of roasting. It's it's yeah.
• 1:08:55
  So, you know, it's it's and like I said, Austin
• 1:08:59
  just has such a good roast culture because we're
• 1:09:01
  kind of pieces of shit. Well, we'll say it. Everybody
• 1:09:06
  kind of has a thing like that. You know, everybody
• 1:09:08
  sort of is figuring it out themselves. But yeah,
• 1:09:11
  it looks like we got like maybe like 10 minutes
• 1:09:12
  before we like wrap up and shit. Word, word.
• 1:09:14
  But yeah, dude, like what up? So like what's
• 1:09:16
  going on like in your future? I know we kind
• 1:09:18
  of like touch base on it a little bit more, but
• 1:09:20
  like where do you see yourself going, man? Like
• 1:09:23
  where do you want to end up? Where do I want
• 1:09:25
  to end up? Yeah, where you want to end up. Like
• 1:09:27
  is it like fame? Like what does fame look like
• 1:09:30
  to you? Like, you know, like all that kind of
• 1:09:32
  shit. So I don't really give a shit about like
• 1:09:37
  being famous Nice like my dream fulfilled would
• 1:09:41
  be to be able to go to like whatever club wherever
• 1:09:45
  in the country not even internationally and just
• 1:09:47
  make enough to pay my bills and To have the respect
• 1:09:50
  of my peers and send my kid to college. That's
• 1:09:52
  that's it. Yeah, that's Realistically, I mean
• 1:09:58
  I have some roast battles coming up I need to,
• 1:10:02
  I need to rerecord my, um, my half hour, which
• 1:10:08
  will be nice because I can replace some of the
• 1:10:10
  stuff from the last one. Um, so like realistically
• 1:10:15
  over like the next year, I think probably just
• 1:10:18
  going to try and travel and do more roasts and,
• 1:10:22
  uh, put a good packet together. So whenever there's
• 1:10:25
  another like big like roast, I can at least submit
• 1:10:28
  to it confidently. and re -record a half hour
• 1:10:33
  and put something out and have a time stamp of
• 1:10:37
  where I am as a comic now versus in another couple
• 1:10:40
  years when I have a full hour to put down. Oh,
• 1:10:44
  yeah, dude. This right here, this is your camera.
• 1:10:47
  If you have anything you'd like to put out, anything
• 1:10:50
  you want to tell people. Christ is Lord. He's
• 1:10:57
  running somewhere, I think. So when does this
• 1:11:00
  come out to like a club the Rose battle I guess
• 1:11:02
  but it's probably gonna be out not Next week,
• 1:11:05
  but the week after so if you're from the future
• 1:11:08
  and you can travel back a week I'm roasting Brittany
• 1:11:11
  Ledesma Creek on Friday I mean, I don't have
• 1:11:15
  really anything exciting going on just you know,
• 1:11:17
  come out watch Rose battle support the league
• 1:11:19
  buy some merch I have merch to wear and some
• 1:11:22
  tops go to heaven. Oh Thank you. Yeah. Yeah tops
• 1:11:27
  Top what it was tops like like gay guys that
• 1:11:31
  top They go to heaven dude, I feel like you live
• 1:11:35
  in this like space of I've got a roast something
• 1:11:38
  at all It's like something roasting anything.
• 1:11:40
  Somebody asked me the other day. I was wearing
• 1:11:42
  an HEB They're like they saw my shirt and because
• 1:11:44
  I have two of these and they're like what is
• 1:11:46
  that mean? And I was like, oh just tops go to
• 1:11:49
  heaven just like a little joke and they're like,
• 1:11:51
  oh so bottoms go to hell and I'm like actually
• 1:11:53
  I Didn't say that You implied it off of my shirt.
• 1:11:58
  In fact, you're inferring that bottoms go to
• 1:12:00
  hell, so that's pretty homophobic. You're racist.
• 1:12:04
  But, you know, I have merch. It's in my link
• 1:12:06
  tree on Instagram. Buy some. I need a new vape.
• 1:12:13
  Yeah, just come out and support the league. Support
• 1:12:15
  Roast Battle. We have me and Dan Wicks from Mothership
• 1:12:19
  have one getting... We submitted to get ranked.
• 1:12:23
  So we'll see how that does this coming Tuesday.
• 1:12:26
  So maybe maybe a boy has some Number one roast
• 1:12:30
  in the world. We'll see And yeah, yeah, that's
• 1:12:35
  badass day Christ is Lord. Jesus loves you. I
• 1:12:39
  love you Check out sorry time on Instagram, we
• 1:12:46
  haven't posted an episode in like a year but
• 1:12:48
  Sorry Tom podcast? Yeah, it's mine in Isaac Kane
• 1:12:51
  Brown's podcast. Cool. Yeah, check out Sorry
• 1:12:54
  Tom, man. Well, thank you so much. I appreciate
• 1:12:56
  you coming on, brother. Thanks for having me.
• 1:12:58
  Glad we could do it. Yeah, I'm glad we can do
• 1:13:00
  it, especially, dude. And also, I just wanted
• 1:13:02
  to say thank you, on camera, by the way. I just
• 1:13:04
  wanted to say thank you for being patient with
• 1:13:08
  me. I know I had COVID and all that, but I really
• 1:13:11
  appreciate it. That's really cool of you. I always
• 1:13:13
  hate pushing people back like that, but. No,
• 1:13:15
  no, that's OK. It's OK. I know I'm not important.
• 1:13:18
  Yeah. No, no, I'm not going to make you record
• 1:13:21
  an episode during COVID. I also don't want your
• 1:13:23
  nasty cooties to infect me. You're infected.
• 1:13:27
  I'm not like not coring or anything right now.
• 1:13:29
  It doesn't really bother me at all. I'm just
• 1:13:32
  I'm happy. I'm honored you would have me. I don't
• 1:13:35
  get to do a lot of podcasts, so it's always nice
• 1:13:37
  to be able to come on and talk with a homie.
• 1:13:40
  Hell yeah, dude. Well, it was wonderful having
• 1:13:41
  you, man. Thank you so much for coming, dude.
• 1:13:43
  And that's it. That's it. That's a wrap. Adios.
• 1:13:46
  See you next week.