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- 0:04Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.
- 0:07Speaker 1: It's Thursday, September twenty six. Australia's courts embracing for an
- 0:12Speaker 1: avalanche of appeals from international students whose visas have been
- 0:16Speaker 1: canceled or denied. More than fifteen thousand people have lodged
- 0:21Speaker 1: applications for review, compared with fewer than three thousand the
- 0:26Speaker 1: year before. Hackers targeted the email inboxes of Victoria's fire
- 0:32Speaker 1: chiefs in hopes of furthering the interests of the firefighters Union.
- 0:37Speaker 1: That story is live right now at Theaustralian dot com
- 0:41Speaker 1: dot au. First it was pages, then walkie talkies, now
- 0:47Speaker 1: rockets and maybe next a ground invasion. As Israel turns
- 0:51Speaker 1: its focus to hesblah, we explore what all sides want
- 0:56Speaker 1: from this new phase of an eighty year conflict. Today's
- 1:00Speaker 1: story on one side of the border, rocket fragments fall
- 1:11Speaker 1: to earth and huge conflagrations light up the sky. This
- 1:22Speaker 1: is southern Lebanon. What some claim is evidence of ammunition
- 1:26Speaker 1: and even rockets going up in flames in civilian neighborhoods
- 1:30Speaker 1: after being struck by missiles fired from Israel. On the
- 1:39Speaker 1: other side of the border. In Israel, Hesbella's rockets loom
- 1:43Speaker 1: above houses and fields before being destroyed by interceptor missiles
- 1:48Speaker 1: in mid air in a series of booms. That's Israel's
- 1:52Speaker 1: so called Iron Dome, a defense system designed to eliminate
- 1:56Speaker 1: incoming fire.
- 2:04Speaker 2: Well, I think this is the moment that everyone in
- 2:06Speaker 2: Israel and certainly people around the world who've been watching it,
- 2:09Speaker 2: this is the moment that everyone's been dreading.
- 2:12Speaker 1: Yonni Bishan is a journalist with The Australian who's spent
- 2:15Speaker 1: a lot of the past year reporting on conflict in
- 2:17Speaker 1: the Middle East. Israel versus Lebanon. We've been here before
- 2:23Speaker 1: in nineteen forty eight when Lebanon and other Arab nations
- 2:26Speaker 1: invaded the newly formed state of Israel, in nineteen seventy
- 2:30Speaker 1: eight when Israel invaded Lebanon, and again in nineteen eighty two.
- 2:35Speaker 1: In two thousand and six when the Iranian backed militia
- 2:38Speaker 1: Hesbelah infiltrated Israel and took two soldiers hostage, prompting weeks
- 2:43Speaker 1: of conflict. And now in twenty twenty four, it's on again.
- 2:48Speaker 1: On Wednesday, Hesbela fired a medium range surface to surface
- 2:52Speaker 1: ballistic missile at Tel Aviv. They were aiming for the
- 2:56Speaker 1: headquarters of the Mossad, Israel's secret service. The missis was
- 3:00Speaker 1: intercepted in the air. Israel says Hesbiala is hiding ammunition,
- 3:06Speaker 1: including enormous cruise missiles in domestic dwellings.
- 3:13Speaker 3: Riz Balas stores cruise missiles, rockets, launchers and UAVs inside
- 3:20Speaker 3: civilian homes, hidden behind the Lebanese population living in the village.
- 3:27Speaker 3: We are monitoring these activities, locating the weapons and destroying
- 3:32Speaker 3: them with precise intelligence based strikes.
- 3:38Speaker 2: It's the largest militia on the planet. Basically, it has
- 3:42Speaker 2: an enormous weapon stock, highly trained army, infantry, well supplied
- 3:47Speaker 2: by Iran, well funded, and a war with Lebanon would
- 3:51Speaker 2: almost certainly entail a high number of casualties, both militarily
- 3:54Speaker 2: and civilian. And who knows where this is going to go.
- 3:58Speaker 1: Israel's military is formidable, but Hesbela has the home advantage.
- 4:04Speaker 2: Whenever you have a conventional army versing a militia, one
- 4:07Speaker 2: is always going to have the unfair advantage, and we're
- 4:09Speaker 2: seeing that right now in southern Lebanon. So the footage
- 4:12Speaker 2: and the information that's being released, mostly by the IDEF,
- 4:15Speaker 2: but also by Reresbela itself is showing that it's hiding
- 4:18Speaker 2: its weapons much like Hamastid in Gaza, beneath civilian infrastructure,
- 4:23Speaker 2: and no conventional army operates in that way, and inevitably
- 4:27Speaker 2: that means that when you have a conventional army fighting
- 4:30Speaker 2: a war against such a foe, you're going to have
- 4:32Speaker 2: a higher number of civilian casualties, You're going to have
- 4:34Speaker 2: a higher level of moral calculus embedded in every decision
- 4:37Speaker 2: that's made, and inevitably makes the war a lot harder
- 4:41Speaker 2: to fight.
- 4:48Speaker 1: This round of conflict began on September nineteen with one
- 4:52Speaker 1: of the most audacious espionage operations in recent memory, the
- 4:56Speaker 1: coordinated explosion of hundreds of pages and then walkie talkies.
- 5:22Speaker 3: I have a message for the people of Lebanon. Israel's
- 5:26Speaker 3: war is not with you, it's with Habella.
- 5:30Speaker 1: That's Israeli PM Benjamin Nitya, who after Israel's apparent spycraft triumph,
- 5:36Speaker 1: telling Lebanese civilians to move north.
- 5:41Speaker 2: This would seem to me to be a precursor to
- 5:43Speaker 2: a ground invasion. They desperately wanted to avoid it. It
- 5:46Speaker 2: seems like Heresbella also wants to attempt to avoid that.
- 5:49Speaker 2: It's a very strange equation because you've got both sides
- 5:51Speaker 2: saying we don't want a war, and yet the fighting
- 5:54Speaker 2: keeps escalating, the targeting. While measured as it has been
- 5:58Speaker 2: between both sides, it continues to escalate.
- 6:03Speaker 1: Coming up what this conflict could mean for the future
- 6:06Speaker 1: of Lebanon Lehn. This is a BBC reporter in footage
- 6:36Speaker 1: from August four, twenty twenty, when Lebanon's beautiful, messy capital city,
- 6:42Speaker 1: be Route was rocked by an immense explosion. Tons of
- 6:46Speaker 1: ammonium nitrate had been unsecured at the port of Beirute
- 6:50Speaker 1: for six years. Furious citizens protested the inettitude and probable
- 7:00Speaker 1: corruption that had destroyed their city. An investigation started and
- 7:10Speaker 1: sputted out Prime Minister Hassan Di'ab and his cabinet resigned.
- 7:20Speaker 1: There are still no clear answers about how this ammonium
- 7:24Speaker 1: nitrate came to be in Beirut. It's been linked to
- 7:27Speaker 1: Russian and Cypriot interests, to Iran and to Hesblah. That
- 7:32Speaker 1: uncertainty is typical of Lebanon's complex history. Once a French colony,
- 7:38Speaker 1: independent since the nineteen forties, but lumbered with a governing
- 7:43Speaker 1: system that dictated key government jobs be sliced up between
- 7:47Speaker 1: Christians and Shia and Sunni Muslims. In the nineteen seventy
- 7:52Speaker 1: Civil War, a new force emerged, Hesbalah, a Shia political
- 7:56Speaker 1: party and paramilitary funded by Iran On. But to what end.
- 8:04Speaker 2: Iranzen game is to get us interests out of the
- 8:06Speaker 2: Middle East and to destroy Israel it always has been.
- 8:10Speaker 2: Chresbola's charter has basically sought the exact same kresbelas endgame
- 8:14Speaker 2: here is to wipe Israel off the face of the planet.
- 8:17Speaker 2: Just like Ramas as well, they are both separated by
- 8:20Speaker 2: competing Islamic ideologies. Ramas is a sunny group, Kresbela is
- 8:24Speaker 2: a shear group. Yet they have a common aim here
- 8:27Speaker 2: and the aame has always been to get Jews out
- 8:28Speaker 2: of the Middle East, to get Israel out of the
- 8:30Speaker 2: Middle East, and definitely get America out of the Middle East.
- 8:39Speaker 1: Israel and Lebanon are such close neighbors, beautiful subtropical countries
- 8:44Speaker 1: on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean. It's the same
- 8:48Speaker 1: kind of turf. It's like the difference the road between
- 8:50Speaker 1: Sydney and Brisbane. It's such a tragedy, isn't it that Lebanon,
- 8:54Speaker 1: which not so long ago was a relatively functional democracy,
- 8:58Speaker 1: now seems to have fallen into complete chaos.
- 9:00Speaker 3: Correct.
- 9:01Speaker 2: It is a great tragedy, no more so than for
- 9:04Speaker 2: the people of Lebanon, who don't have a particular fondness
- 9:07Speaker 2: for Fresbola, who don't particularly enjoy the fact that they
- 9:10Speaker 2: can't live in the south of the country without having
- 9:12Speaker 2: their homes targeted or having their lives been put at
- 9:15Speaker 2: risk because in a neighboring village, Kresbola has achieved a
- 9:18Speaker 2: foothold and decided to launch rockets from there all store
- 9:21Speaker 2: its munichtions there. This is not a winning strategy for Lebanon.
- 9:25Speaker 2: The Lebanese people know that they don't want Kresbola there,
- 9:28Speaker 2: they don't want Iran in their country, and yet this
- 9:31Speaker 2: is the situation they find themselves in. Hopefully, if anything
- 9:35Speaker 2: positive is to emerge out of this latest round of fighting,
- 9:38Speaker 2: it's that Kresbola has degraded such that it no longer
- 9:42Speaker 2: exists in its current form, and if perhaps there might
- 9:45Speaker 2: be some real change in that country.
- 9:49Speaker 1: Joanni Bishan is a journalist with the Australian. You can
- 9:54Speaker 1: read all our reporting and analysis of the conflict in
- 9:57Speaker 1: the Middle East right now at the Australian dot com
- 10:00Speaker 1: dot a u