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How Makeup Works · Stuff You Should Know

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to you stuff you should know from house stuff
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  Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Josh Clark, There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry, and
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  Speaker 1: we wish all of you a happy International Women's Day. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just up here putting on my concealer, well, mascara,
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  Speaker 1: create some smoky eyes, pretty sexy. It's looking good, Chuck,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, looking good. I wish I could unsee you
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  Speaker 1: this pret day? Good? Um? Yeah, did you know it's
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  Speaker 1: International Witness that day? Did h? And? Well today, well
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  Speaker 1: we're recording not actually today's witness releases. We're gonna miss
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  Speaker 1: it by a week or we're still going to be
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  Speaker 1: celebrating it though, right exactly because we we let it
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  Speaker 1: roll and that way you say when you let a
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  Speaker 1: party go along. I've never heard that. I just made
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  Speaker 1: it up. I don't go to parties. I don't either,
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  Speaker 1: apparently because I don't know what to say when you
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  Speaker 1: wanted to keep going. So Chuck, Um, we are talking
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  Speaker 1: friend about makeup today. Sixty billion dollar cosmetic industry. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's a sixty two point five and that's up from
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  Speaker 1: forty billion when this article that we're working off of
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  Speaker 1: was originally written, which apses me Molly Edmonds in two dozen,
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  Speaker 1: like seven or eight maybe two, I think, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: mean it surprised me in one way. One way it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't because big industries usually grow, but that's an enormous
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  Speaker 1: amount of growth. Yeah, but it seems like, and we'll
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  Speaker 1: get to this later with some studies, that make up
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  Speaker 1: is among the millennials is sort of falling out of
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  Speaker 1: fashion in some circles. But we'll get to that. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Cosmetics from the Greek cosmatique technique of dress or ornament
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  Speaker 1: or cosmos meaning ornament. I thought cosmos meant the universe
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  Speaker 1: Ko s m O S. I don't know, that's cosmo.
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  Speaker 1: Kramer got you. That's the lettymology. I had not heard
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  Speaker 1: that before. That was the Greeks. Huh, that's what it says.
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  Speaker 1: The Greeks definitely did engage in ornamentation of their face
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  Speaker 1: through pigmentation a cosmetics, but they weren't the first supposedly
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  Speaker 1: as far back as we found it, um or the
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  Speaker 1: Egyptians Sumeria before that even I think, oh, is that right? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I saw that men and women were lipstick, and Sumerian
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  Speaker 1: men and women did so this is pre Egyptian then,
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  Speaker 1: because the Obsgyptians went back pretty far. Yeah, well, I
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  Speaker 1: think there's some debate there about who was first, right,
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  Speaker 1: Apparently we're debating right now. I think I think Summer
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  Speaker 1: was pre okay Egyptian. All right, I'm sure I'll get
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  Speaker 1: taken to task. No, not necessarily. I think you're probably right.
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  Speaker 1: But um, at any rate, at least a few thousand
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  Speaker 1: years ago, there were people wearing lipstick and the the
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  Speaker 1: Egyptians in particular were known for using coal k h
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  Speaker 1: o l k o h L. That's right, and that
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  Speaker 1: is basically like a using very dark um like I
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  Speaker 1: shadow above and below the eye. It's it's very think um. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: What was the dude's name from Dead Calm the Killer
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  Speaker 1: Billy Uh? Billy Zane. Yeah, I think Billy Zane in
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  Speaker 1: The Mummy. Yeah. Basically any movie where they try to
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  Speaker 1: make white people look like Egyptian, which is a big
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  Speaker 1: thing now in the news it says who whitewashing casting
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  Speaker 1: white people to play Egyptians? Like, you know, it's all
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  Speaker 1: over the place, every every one of these stupid movies
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  Speaker 1: about these big hundred million dollar movies about Egypt or
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  Speaker 1: starring like British dudes. Well, I was on Snopes yesterday
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  Speaker 1: and it found that there was apparently a rumor that
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  Speaker 1: um Cameron Diaz had been cast to play My Angelou
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  Speaker 1: in a biopic and apparently people bought that. How seriously
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  Speaker 1: who saw that and was like what and didn't automatically think, well,
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  Speaker 1: that's a hoax or a joke. Well, there are some
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  Speaker 1: people upset that Zoe uh, who's it from Avatar? Oh
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  Speaker 1: Zaldano is being um because she's playing Nina Simone and
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  Speaker 1: like they darkened her skin, and there are some people
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  Speaker 1: that are outraged by that even U. It's interesting. Yeah, um,
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  Speaker 1: so back to cole Uh. It was specifically a mixture
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  Speaker 1: of uh copper and lead and ash and burnt almonds
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  Speaker 1: that would mix up and smear on their eyes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And what's interesting is the the it was supposedly kept
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  Speaker 1: away the evil eye, right, that was the main reason
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  Speaker 1: they wore, in addition to just looking awesome. The stink. Um, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: just give me the stink. It doesn't matter because I'm
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  Speaker 1: wearing coal. But it also and likely unbeknownst to the
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  Speaker 1: Egyptians at the time, um, it would have warded off
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  Speaker 1: bacteria because of some of the ingredients specifically lead or
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  Speaker 1: killed you eventually. Yeah. Um. And then it also would
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  Speaker 1: have deflected the sunlight from the desert. Yeah, because you're
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  Speaker 1: all set, which is why you know. Ballplayers will put
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  Speaker 1: tar into their eyes right to keep that reflection down.
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  Speaker 1: If that's tar, well, it's tar on the baseball bat.
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  Speaker 1: It can be Uh, it can be whatever. I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: they don't use real tar. My dad back in the
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  Speaker 1: day for church softball, used to go out and get
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  Speaker 1: it from his car tire and put it under his eye. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty tough. Wow, Yeah, that is tough. Um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, church softball the top of sport. Uh. Ancient
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  Speaker 1: Greeks and Romans also painted their faces uh from ground
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  Speaker 1: up stones and minerals, and things were pretty much like
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  Speaker 1: that until the Middle Ages, when people said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want my face colored up, I want it white. Well,
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  Speaker 1: prior to that, prior to the Middle so early Middle Ages,
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  Speaker 1: the early Medieval era that women um used hot tongs
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  Speaker 1: to curl their hair, they dyed their hair, they use
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  Speaker 1: vegetable pigments to um to redden their faces. So there
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  Speaker 1: was makeup use in in Europe. UM prior to the
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  Speaker 1: Middle Ages where you did use pigments to colorize yourself,
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  Speaker 1: right in much the same way that like the Romans
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  Speaker 1: and Greeks would have. Now were these tawdry women, know,
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  Speaker 1: these were just average ordinary women. So later on it
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  Speaker 1: fell out of fashion unless you were like a prostitute, right.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason why it fell out of fashion was
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  Speaker 1: because um of income inequality. So if you were a
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  Speaker 1: woman who was among the poorer classes, you were a
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  Speaker 1: labor and you likely had to labor out of doors,
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  Speaker 1: and in doing so you would gain a tan. So
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  Speaker 1: a way to show that you were wealthy and of
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  Speaker 1: higher status was to accentuate your paleness, and they would
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  Speaker 1: use something called um. Oh man, what is it? Sirrus? Yeah, cirrus,
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  Speaker 1: which is vinegar and lead lead is It's gonna come
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  Speaker 1: up a lot in this disturbing comes up sometimes we'll
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  Speaker 1: find out, um. And that is the that's the kind
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  Speaker 1: of um grease paint, the cosmetic whitener that women used
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  Speaker 1: for centuries actually when very pale skin was in. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and Elizabeth the first came along and she's like, look
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  Speaker 1: how pasty white I am. Um, she's a perfect example
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  Speaker 1: of the cirrus use. Yeah, and she there was. There's
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  Speaker 1: a misnomer that she was bald by the time she
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  Speaker 1: was like thirty. Uh, and that comes from the fact
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  Speaker 1: that she has a very large forehead and most of
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  Speaker 1: these portraits. Yeah, this say is it was from the
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  Speaker 1: use of the lead that it made her hair fall out.
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  Speaker 1: I've heard that that they plucked the hairline that far back. Well,
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  Speaker 1: there's a few theories. One is that they plucked because
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  Speaker 1: they wore wigs and you know, it would fit the
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  Speaker 1: wig would fit better. Another is that they just exaggerated
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  Speaker 1: it in paintings because a big forehead, a high forehead
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  Speaker 1: was supposedly tied to intelligence, no smarts, which is hot. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And then the other theory is that the lead, you know,
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  Speaker 1: made it creep backs. But she was not bald. So
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  Speaker 1: I've been fighting that fight for years. Have you've been
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  Speaker 1: the q E one wasn't bald? And finally, here in
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  Speaker 1: International Women's Day you get to lay it down. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: This next part to me was super interesting for the
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  Speaker 1: dumb reason is that I didn't know a lot of
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  Speaker 1: these cosmetic companies were actually named for people. Yeah, max
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  Speaker 1: Factor was Maximilian or Maximilian Factorrowitz really Yeah, and he
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  Speaker 1: shortened it to max Factor for obvious reasons. But I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I'm such a dummy. I thought it meant
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  Speaker 1: like the maximum max power factor or something you could have.
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  Speaker 1: The max factor was a dude. Sure. Yeah, Actually you'll
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  Speaker 1: find that a lot of cosmetics that you use today
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  Speaker 1: were founded by dudes. As Stay Lauder was a lady.
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  Speaker 1: She was a lady, and actually the founder of maybe
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  Speaker 1: Leen was inspired by his sister Mabel. Yeah. Pretty neat,
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, there's there's the the modern idea of cosmetics
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  Speaker 1: and the modern use of cosmetics in in that um
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  Speaker 1: the idea that you have to or else you are
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  Speaker 1: making a statement or not a beautiful woman. Um all
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  Speaker 1: comes about around the end of the nineteenth century early
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  Speaker 1: twentieth century, and it really comes kicking in in about
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  Speaker 1: ninety thanks to the cinema and specifically Max Factor himself,
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  Speaker 1: who originally provided wigs to them to the movies. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and previous to that, interestingly, the rise and makeup was
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  Speaker 1: tied to a couple of things. One, people getting their portrait,
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  Speaker 1: like their kind of singular portrait painted. They want to
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  Speaker 1: look good for it. Uh, and then the fact that
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  Speaker 1: mirrors we did a great podcast on mirrors. Um didn't
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  Speaker 1: we yes did any many moons ago. It was surprisingly difficult.
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  Speaker 1: It was the physics of a mirror is really mind bending,
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  Speaker 1: so ate some lead. The affordability of mirrors all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden was a thing, right, So those two things,
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  Speaker 1: and then the movie industry comes along, well, and photography too.
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  Speaker 1: Did you say photography, well, portrait project, which could be
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  Speaker 1: I guess painting and uh photography, right, yeah, so apparently
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  Speaker 1: I guess you were just kind of figuring it out
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  Speaker 1: as you went along, maybe when you did your makeup
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  Speaker 1: for that one picture that was made of you, and
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  Speaker 1: then the movie the movies came along. And when the
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  Speaker 1: movies came along, uh, you know, obviously it went from
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  Speaker 1: like stage to screen heavy makeup as a stage performance, right,
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  Speaker 1: because people had to be able to see you all
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  Speaker 1: the way in the back of the house, so and
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  Speaker 1: they want you. You had to accentuate your facial expressions.
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  Speaker 1: But if you if you did that and did a
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  Speaker 1: close up, you looked like a clown. A clown. So
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  Speaker 1: they had to just basically reinvent makeup for the movies.
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  Speaker 1: And Max Factor was one of these people who were
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  Speaker 1: working to do that, and he said, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: stars love this stuff. I've invented this grease paint that's
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  Speaker 1: a foundation that makes the skin look so even and beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: That the starlets who wear it are wearing it not
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  Speaker 1: just for work, they're also wearing it out on the
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  Speaker 1: red carpet. That people are going to go crazy for this.
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  Speaker 1: And Max Factors started to market it and looked round
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  Speaker 1: and figured out what else he could invent, and he
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  Speaker 1: came up with the eyeliner and lip cloths as well. Yeah, huge,
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  Speaker 1: huge breakthrough and makeup a tree right. A few years later,
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  Speaker 1: actually around the same time nine uh T L. Williams
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  Speaker 1: started Mabeline after his sister Mabel, which we mentioned because
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  Speaker 1: she came up with a way to make her eyelashes
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  Speaker 1: look better. She took petroleum jelly and coal dust and
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  Speaker 1: mashed it up together, painted it into her eyelashes and said,
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  Speaker 1: the stuff is a bear to get out, but look
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  Speaker 1: at these lashes. Can't see maybe she's born with it.
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  Speaker 1: Uh And around the same time in the ninet twenties,
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  Speaker 1: and nail care really took a leap forward courtesy in
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  Speaker 1: a weird way of Henry Ford. Yeah, in a roundabout way.
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  Speaker 1: He had a very famous um uh slogan that people
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  Speaker 1: who bought his Model T could have it in any
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  Speaker 1: color they want, so long as they wanted black. And
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  Speaker 1: the reason that he chose black was because black paint,
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  Speaker 1: the black lacquer paint that he used, dried faster than
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  Speaker 1: any of the other pigments. So black is what he
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  Speaker 1: went with because he wanted to pump out cars, right,
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  Speaker 1: and he was doing a really good job humping out cars.
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  Speaker 1: So to separate their companies from his, other guys started
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  Speaker 1: to look in at how to come up with colors
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  Speaker 1: because colors were in demand. People did want colors. This
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  Speaker 1: didn't have any options, so they started investing into research
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  Speaker 1: for new kinds of colors, of fast drying lacquer paints,
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  Speaker 1: and it actually ended up saying they came up with
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  Speaker 1: some breakthroughs, and some people said, you know what, forget
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  Speaker 1: the cars, let's put this on fingernails. Yeah, let's paint
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  Speaker 1: fingernails with this nitrocellulose uh and all kinds of colors,
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  Speaker 1: a rainbow of colors. Have you ever seen yellow fingernails? Well,
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  Speaker 1: you're about to do yellow, not yellowed yellow. That d
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  Speaker 1: makes a huge Well, no, I thought yellow fingernails would
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  Speaker 1: look kind of kicky and like a Swatch commercial, you know. Okay, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: then Mr Charles Revson sound familiar rev Lan. I guess
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  Speaker 1: Revson didn't sound as good through Alis Island or something. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: He co founded it with somebody else, one Cheney. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: He made nail polish super famous in the US by
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  Speaker 1: combining like matching nail polished to lipstick and like putting
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  Speaker 1: a personality on it, like if you're a saucy lady,
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  Speaker 1: you meant like this combo. Yeah, it's actually very well known.
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  Speaker 1: UM advertising campaign called fire and Ice, and like on
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  Speaker 1: these fire and Ice ads, UM, there would be like
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  Speaker 1: a little questionnaire at the bottom of the ad like
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  Speaker 1: does gypsy music make you cry? Or would are you
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  Speaker 1: the type of woman who would dye her hair without
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  Speaker 1: your husband's consent? Um? And if you answered yes, Elliston, yep,
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  Speaker 1: you need this. Um this type of lipstick with the
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  Speaker 1: matching nail polish. There was a big deal. But Revlon
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  Speaker 1: was not the only game in town with lipstick, and
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  Speaker 1: it actually kicked off the lipstick Wars, the famous lipstick Wars. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there was. There's a company called Hazel Bishop and Hazel
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  Speaker 1: Bishop was an actual chemist who was making lipstick for women,
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  Speaker 1: and she had some good stuff. She she came up
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  Speaker 1: with what's called indelible lipstick. I think it had been around,
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  Speaker 1: but she really like made some good formulations of indelible
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  Speaker 1: a k a. Smudgeproof lipstick. Yeah, I mean you could
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  Speaker 1: you could do a little kissy face and not have
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  Speaker 1: it look sure. And so Bishop and Revlon are going
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  Speaker 1: at it back and forth. Cody, which had that very
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  Speaker 1: famous fragrance in the seventies, Cody c O T y Um,
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  Speaker 1: they came into the mix too, and their big role
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  Speaker 1: that they played was they told play text which had
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  Speaker 1: apparently a trademark on the word living that Revlon, Yeah
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  Speaker 1: that Revlon had a lipstick line called Living Lipstick. Play
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  Speaker 1: Texts suit him and Revlon had to abandon their entire
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  Speaker 1: line of this type of indelible lipstick. The whole thing
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  Speaker 1: ended though, with Revlon coming out on top because Revlon
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  Speaker 1: decided to sink a pretty decent amount of money into
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  Speaker 1: advertising on this new TV show called The sixty four
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  Speaker 1: thousand Dollar Question. Charles Revson thought this movie or this
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  Speaker 1: show was going to be crap. Apparently his word and
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  Speaker 1: um it turned out to be like just the hottest
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  Speaker 1: thing on TV, and Revlon was the only sponsor. Ultimately
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  Speaker 1: what ended the lipstick Wars of the nineteen fifties. So
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was a single gunshot to the head
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  Speaker 1: the hazy Bishop, which isn't funny at all, but it
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  Speaker 1: didn't happen. Ok uh. And then of course Stay Lauder
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  Speaker 1: comes along with her husband, Joseph Lauder, and they were great.
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  Speaker 1: She specifically was a great marketer or she was the
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  Speaker 1: first person to go set up shop in department stores
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  Speaker 1: and say here have some stuff for free. People went,
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  Speaker 1: what Yeah, like, go use this stuff and that's how
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  Speaker 1: I'll get you hooked on restaurant you. Yeah, and that's
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  Speaker 1: you know, you've got any department store today and wander
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  Speaker 1: through the cosmetics. Yeah, don't give you whatever you want
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  Speaker 1: for free. Yeah, you can walk out there looking like
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  Speaker 1: both of the clown if you want so. Um. State
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  Speaker 1: Lauders big thing was skincare, right like skin I mean
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  Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of other stuff too, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: um and so the the the By the nineteen fifties
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  Speaker 1: nineteen sixties, the cosmetics industry was established. It wasn't going
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  Speaker 1: anywhere big money. It was gonna do nothing but build
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  Speaker 1: up and up and up right, and the thing is
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  Speaker 1: is a buy. About this time, Uh, the ingredients had
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  Speaker 1: all been kind of established, and so nowadays, if you
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  Speaker 1: look at makeup, you're gonna see basically the same stuff.
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk about all that right after this break. How
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  Speaker 1: about that sounds great? So, Chuck, if you if you
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  Speaker 1: take a tube of lipstick and you crack it off,
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  Speaker 1: and you take another two lipstick from another company and
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  Speaker 1: crack it off and then throw it through a mass spectrometer,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna find the same stuff in there and both
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  Speaker 1: of them basically. Yeah, and most cosmetics it's largely the
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  Speaker 1: same ingredients. Um who wrote this. Molly Edmonds are former
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  Speaker 1: colleague original co host of Stuff Mom never told you, Molly,
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  Speaker 1: if you're listening, she's not listening. Hello. Uh. Foundation UM
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  Speaker 1: is usually got some moisturizing bass with some oil and
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  Speaker 1: water or wax. Uh. You're gonna have a filler, UM
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  Speaker 1: that's gonna make things smooth on your face. Then you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna have some pigment like iron oxide, and that's gonna
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  Speaker 1: you know, you want to match your skin tone. So
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  Speaker 1: that's why they have all different varieties of pigment of uh,
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  Speaker 1: moisturizing bass. Right, that's with like yeah, with foundation right um,
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  Speaker 1: and then they'll add some other stuff here there, like
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  Speaker 1: if you have dry skin, you might find some hulhoba
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  Speaker 1: oil in the mass spectrum tectrometer uh analysis read out
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  Speaker 1: print out um. And then uh so eyeliners and guyliner, sure,
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  Speaker 1: which is the same thing, it's just used by different people,
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  Speaker 1: right um. Yeah, like the Hollywood vampires they use guyliners. Um.
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  Speaker 1: Eyeliners have they consist of something called film formers and thickeners, right,
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  Speaker 1: and then pigments on addition to that, So the film
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  Speaker 1: formers the actual makeup itself that contains the pigment again,
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  Speaker 1: usually some sort of iron oxide. Right, Those come up
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  Speaker 1: a lot um, which is funny because I think that
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  Speaker 1: that's also what they used originally, like back in the
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  Speaker 1: day in Egypt. So we've come a long way chemistry wise,
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  Speaker 1: but we're still using the same raw materials in a
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  Speaker 1: lot of cases, these minerals yeah. Um. And then you
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  Speaker 1: also have the the thickener, which basically keeps that eyeliner
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: on your eye and that just going off um to
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: the side. Yeah, And the same is basically true for eyeshadow. Uh.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: It's gonna have that base ingredient maybe talc or cowling
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: cowling clay cowln like shaolin, Yeah, but with a K
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: instead of an S a link lay uh. And then
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: a binder of course, made out of zinc or magnesium, uh,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: some sort of derivative of magnesium. Uh, mascara. I mean
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: basically we're not gonna go through all these Oh no,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: it's all basically the same stuff. So you have a pigment,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: you have something that creates the base of the whole thing,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: whether it's some sort of wax or powder or cream,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: and then you have some sort of binder that keeps
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: the thing in place and makes it difficult to come off.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: And with mascara in particular, um, it's very famous for
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: um having a waterproof version. Yeah, so you cry at
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: your wedding and you don't look like a scary prom
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: night girl. Sure right, So um with mascara being waterproof,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: apparently the as long as it doesn't have water in it,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: it's likely going to be waterproof, because that'd be terribly
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: ironic if it included water is an ingredient. Yeah, but
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: apparently those are really tough for to get off. So
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: you don't want to wear a lot. Yeah, and you
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: want to take them off though, or else your lashes
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: will fall out. Supposedly, you want to take off your
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: makeup every night, they say for for quality skin. That's
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: what Stevie Nick said. Her secret was, I've heard that.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I think I said that before that, which is weird. So, um, well,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: let's talk makeup safety, chuck. That's actually a step in
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: makeup safety. Yeah, this is a huge deal right now, um,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: because the standards for makeup safety have not changed since
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: nineteen eight. No. In in ninety eight, the Food and
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Drug Administration was created, and when it was created, the
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: cosmetics industry apparently did a really good job of lobbying
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: the government to say, hey, hey, hey, imagine that, go
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: regulate the food and the drugs. Sure, we'll fall under
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: your cute little umbrella, but just stay out of our business.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: We're going to self regulate. And since, seriously, guys, it's
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen, since nineteen thirty eight the law is
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: governing the regulation of cosmetics have not effectively changed in
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: any real way, shape or form. Yes, but that could
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: be changing very soon. This article from just this week
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: here in March. Uh, there is the Personal Care Products
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Safety Act h UP Bill s Z one four, introduced
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: last April and his waiting hearings. Introduced by Diane Feinstein
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: of California and UH Susan Collins of Maine. It's a
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: bipartisan bill basically saying, hey, in Europe, in the EU,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: they've banned d uh chemicals from personal care products for
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: a real good reason, and we have only banned eleven
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: and well, thing is wrong. They're banned banned eight I
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: think in restricted three. Yeah, I think they're they're all
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: technically on the band list now and so like we're
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: we're using these same chemicals that are banned in the
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: EU because they're not banned here. And the reason they're
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: not banned is and there's a huge distinction between Europe
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: and the United States as far as chemicals are concerned.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: In Europe, the approach is a chemical is potentially harmful
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: until it's proven otherwise, right, And they treat them like that,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: and when they find out, they investigate these things, and
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: when they find out that they are harmful, then they
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: ban them. In the United States, a chemical is determined
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: to be not harmful until it's proven otherwise, and it's
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: exceedingly difficult to prove that something is actually harmful. Like
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: we've been talking about things like parabins and thallates for
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: a very long time now, many many years, and um,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: public sentiment blows up and the science behind it blows up,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: and everyone says, well, you can't point to a parabin
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: and say conclusively that it caused that tumor, despite the
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: fact that when you dig around in that tumor you're
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: gonna find parabins. Or you can't say that parabins are
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: harmful the kids, even though you can find parabins in
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: placenta because it crossed over into the placenta, which means
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: that it's being transferred from mother to child. Yes, you
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: can't conclusively say that parabins cause cancer, but the evidence
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: uh in support of that idea is so abundant that
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: we really should be regulating these things. Still not. Yeah,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: there's a woman named Jessica Assaf who has been battling this.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: She's on a crusade for the past ten years to
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: get more oversight. And um, she's she basically, I mean
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: the name of his article is the average woman puts
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: five and fifteen synthetic chemicals on her body every day
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: without knowing, and six that is absorbed into the body.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: People make a big deal these days about what you eat,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: and people don't think a lot about what they put
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: on their skin. The largest organ and that comes that
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: gets into your body as well. Apparently there's a two
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: thousand and seven study. Um I didn't see who he
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: was affiliated with, but a biochemist studied cosmetics and found
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: that women absorbed just under five pounds of chemicals a
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: year through their cosmetics. Yeah, it's unbelievable. And the stuff
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: in the United States is basically unregulated. Well yeah, and
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: her contention is, which is correct, is basically we're all
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: guinea pigs. What you do in the US is you
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: can use these colleges medics until something bad happens and
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: then they take a look at it, and they're responsible
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: for self reporting this stuff, right, but they don't have
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: to self reported. That's one of the big distinctions of
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: feine Stein's and Collins bill is that it would require
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: the f d A, or that it would require cosmetic
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: companies to report incidents of of death, disfigurement, or hospitalization.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: So right now, you could put on some some lipstick
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: and like end up in the hospital and the Revlon
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: could come and look into it and find like, oh god,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: it's because of this lipstick. They don't have to say
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: a word about it legally and nothing happens to them
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: because the FDA doesn't have any kind of teeth in this,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: in this UM, in this industry. Well, just a couple
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: of weeks ago, Johnson and Johnson was ordered to pay
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: seventy two million dollars UH in damages for the death
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: of a woman from ovarian cancer that was caused by
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: using talcu and baby powder. UM. So what the what?
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: The proposed bill would do a few things. One, it's
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: gonna require companies to report any adverse health effects within
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: fifteen days UH. And then there there would review five
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: risky product ingredients per year and banned them based on
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: the findings. And this year up for review it would
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: be UH dias zolena dental urea preservative found in lip
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: bomb deodorant. UH may release formaldehyde lead acetate. It's in
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: hair dies linked to neurological problems, formaldehyde, methylene glycol, UH carcinogen,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: and hair straighteners, including Brazilian blowouts. It said, which you
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: know the problem for me, UH proper parabine cosmetics preservative,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: and finally, uh, quater quaternium fifteen it's another preservative and um,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: my wife to new listeners may not know this, My
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: wife Emily has her own natural body product company and
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: she has been up against this since she started because
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: the FDA doesn't regulate using things like words like all
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: natural or organic. So she has competitors out there selling
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: soap and lotion that says all natural. And you know,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: she's always saying, look at the ingredients on this, like
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: you can't even pronounce half of them. So she's having
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: to self educate customers, like on a daily basis on
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: what all natural really means, like it don't don't even
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: use fragrance oils. Uh, Like this is really all natural.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: So she's been up against it for years. So there's
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: something like that's very close to her heart. And you
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: can go to love your Mama dot com and if
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: you want to h support Mama at the butt with
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: all natural ingredients. Yeah, you're just sitting there like wait
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: for it, wait for it. But it is a big
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: deal in our family because we don't you know, I
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: think I went off on fragrances and maybe the Smell podcast. No,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: we did one on perfumes. Oh yeah, perfumes, and it's
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: just we we don't use any of that stuff anymore.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: And it really stands out now, Like if I smell
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: a T shirt that's been washed and like tied, it
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: stinks to me. Yeah, like you know, like it just
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: smells fake synthetic. But most people love that. We'll scored
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: a little for breeze on the clothes. Sure, um, but
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: you you you get used to it, I guess, and
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: if you stand away from it for a while, when
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: you're exposed to it again. But here's the deal though,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: with small businesses, Um, they sort of have mixed reactions
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: to this bill because on the one hand, it would
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: help them out because the big corporate giants that use
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: all the synthetic chemicals will have to be uh under
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: the pressure to like you know, they don't even have
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: to say where they make this stuff now. Um, But
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: small businesses that might hurt them because they're gonna have
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: to comply with all this stuff, which takes a lot
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: of time and resources and a k A money. Right,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: So it's sort of a double edged sword, is that
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: what they call it? Yeah? Yeah, but I mean the
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: thing is what the Colins fine Stein bill reflects is
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: taking the onus of cosmetic safety from the individual user
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: onto the manufacturer, which is the reverse of what it is. Now,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like right now, make cosmetic
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: safety tips include don't stab yourself in the eye with
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: the mascarro wand um because it might allow bacteria to
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: seep into your cornea and you'll lose your eye or
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: something like that. Um, rather than don't use this mascara
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: because it contains known carcinogens that we know are now
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: carcinogens because at the A finally got around to actually
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: study in chemical to find out whether they're harmful or not. Yeah,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: we should do a show on whether cancer is a
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: man made disease. There's a lot of speculation now, oh yeah,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: some people think that, like there did not used to
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: be cancer. Yeah, and it's all because of stuff we've created,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: an uh And even if you don't believe that, at
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: the very least we have ramped it up. You know, Yeah,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: I definitely I would agree with that. I don't know
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: enough about it to say either way, and I'd love
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: to get schooled from both sides. So yeah, let's agree
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: that uh, is it time for another break? I think
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: it is time for a break. Man. We're pretty worked
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: up about this whole FDA thing. I know. All right,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: We're gonna come back and talk a little bit about
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: the psychology of wearing makeup, which is pretty interesting. And
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: if you, um are into natural stuff, all natural ingredients,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: that kind of thing. There's actually like lines of makeup
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: too that you can look into that don't contain a
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: lot of like added stuff. Yes, so like, um, it's
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: called mineral makeup for the most part, which is just
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: like naturally occurring minerals that are ground up, um, and
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: there you go, no fragrances, that kind of stuff, and
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: they're supposedly better for you. They don't last as well apparently,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: but that's you know, it's like do you want the
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: chemistry or do you want the shelf life. Well, that's
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: another thing. Emily battles a shelf life. That's something to
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: deal with. And she doesn't make cosmetics either, to be fair, Um,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: you know, soap and lotion and stuff like that. That
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: that stick of civilization doesn't count as a cosmetic. Though
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: some states are are taking it into their own hands,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: notably California. Of course, They passed in two thousand five
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: the Safe Cosmetics Act, which requires UM manufacturers to disclose
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: ingredients that are on a watch list as being dangerous. Yeah. Yeah,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: they do that with not just cosmetics. With and you
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: can buy a frying pan and they'll be like, this
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: frying pan contains something that we're not gonna say that
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: is known to cause cancer and humans. It's like, what
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: which pot, like a tephlon pan or whatever? Uh? Boy, man,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I got good cook wear for Christmas? Oh yeah, Oh yeah.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: All Claud's the way to go. Good stuff, pulled all
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: the Christmas money smart and through in a little and uh,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: it makes a huge difference in like how much I
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: enjoy cooking. Yeah, And I mean like you can very
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: easily say All Claud is too expensive. No, All claud
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: is an investment. And if you take care of your
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: all Clad stuff, you're gonna have it for the rest
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: of your life, rather than having to buy new ones
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: every few years. All Clad. Oh man, maybe maybe they'll
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: send to something. So we promised before the break about
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: to talk about the psychology of makeup. Which break just
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: the one we did um and I think it's super interesting. Uh,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: when you look at like beauty and the ideal of
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: physical beauty and where that comes from and how it changes.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: To look at Elizabeth the First and you're like, oh
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: you think yeah, high forehead and like, I love it. Man,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: she's a hot mama. No white hand, I'm not. That's
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: a hey. I'm sure someone out there is like, you're crazy.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Elizabeth the First was hocked. But that's another very big
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: point too. Is there a universal ideal beauty? Well, scientists
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: have looked at it, uh, And one thing they've come
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: up with that's been pretty universally accepted as symmetry is
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: a very important thing. Uh. I saw special one time
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: on PBS when they took supposedly the most beautiful people
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: in the world and split them down the middle and
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: and measured them out, and they are usually pretty symmetrical.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I saw one site that suggested that faith has follow
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: the Golden ratio, like perfectly beautiful symmetrical faces follow that
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: golden ratio. Likely pops up in nature all the time. Interesting,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: we should do went on the golden ratio? Okay, so
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: here's the deal. Though. Growing up, we did episodes on
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: male and female puberty. Uh, little boys and little girls
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: have kind of similar faces. Until they reach puberty, and
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: then that's when things start happening um to distinguish us uh.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: In general, a guy's knows will be bigger, more prominent
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: brow and forehead. Woman might have plumper lips and higher cheekbones.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: And this is how we change, generally speaking into men
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: and women. Right. So, So one of the theories behind
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: why women wear makeup is because they're trying to hyper
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: accentuate there naturally um distinguishing features that right exactly, um
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: so like making the eyes bigger, accentuating the eyes with
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: like eyeshadow and eyeliner, and making the last is longer, um,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: plumping the the lips, right, which supposedly I've always heard
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: and I found it elsewhere in another House to Work
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: article about lipstick itself, that there's a theory that that
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: emulates vagina. That like the lips, applying lips and lipstick
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: and lip gloss and all that emulates a vagina. So
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: there's like a psychology behind that as well. And the
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: whole point is here is is the idea behind makeup
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: then is a woman showing off her fitness for mating
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: man basically, which makes sense evolutionarily speaking. That's the predominant
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: theory behind makeup, which I mean, if you go talk
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: to Max Factor, they're probably not going to say that
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: it's all about beauty, but ultimately it's supposedly it's it's
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: intending to set off certain evolutionary cues in men who
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: are seeking a mate. Uh. A youthful appearance again is
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: usually looked at it as more attractive, probably because reproductive,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: you're able to reproduce as a younger person easily or
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: more easily. Um So allegedly, uh. Second wave feminism comes
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: along in the sixties and seventies, and that's when women
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: were like, you know what, take your bra off, grow
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: that armpit, hair out, and quit painting your face so
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: other men, sisters, so so men think you look good?
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Right that second fix yourself with makeup, the second wave feminism,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: and it was very much um hip to the idea
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: of what was really behind makeup, that theory that it's
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: all about attracting or sexualizing yourself in order for men
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: to find you more attractive. And they were saying, forget that,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: forget men, stop wearing makeup, sister, Yeah, you look good
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: as yourself. We gotta doing one on feminism too, and um,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: The thing is it didn't take off like as sensible
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: as that that idea was and timely as it was,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: you know, Um, it didn't take off like a rocket
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: because a lot of women were like, yeah, let's a
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: get No, I don't want to do that. I want
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: to wear makeup. Well yeah, and a lot of women
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: are like, you know, feminism is about me having a choice.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: That's third way to do what I want to do. Yeah, right, yeah,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: which is like, I want to wear makeup. It's art
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: to me. It's like the way I look. It's I
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: like applying it, um, and I'm not doing it for
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: a man. I like like making myself look this way.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: There's also there's um there's a similar school of thought
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: is like yeah, I'm wearing lipstick to drive men crazy
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: and that gives me power. That's an in and of
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: itself a type of feminism as well. So, um, the
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: idea that a woman should have a choice whether she
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: wears makeup or not and not be viewed as um,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: being a harlot or as being a turncoat to her
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: a gender is I think the basis of like this
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: third wave feminism that it's like, yeah, wear makeup if
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: you want don't wear it if you don't want, but
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: don't don't force your belief on on other people, because
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: there's a special place in hell for women who wear makeup. Uh.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: And then of course younger girls, like when should you
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: start wearing makeup? Like, well, this is a this is
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: a into me an entirely separate uh um conversation. Oh absolutely,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: but does you know does it sexualize a young girl
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: by wearing makeup too young? And just physically speaking, if
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: this stuff is dangerous uh in a carcinogens carcinogenic way,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: like what does it due to the skin of like
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: a twelve year old? Yeah? And and not to pick
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: on thalet so though they definitely definitely deserve to be
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: picked on along with parabins. If you look at the
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: medical literature about whether they're potentially harmful or not, they
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: seem to have the most toxicity in pregnant women and
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: in younger people have so yes, if you are using
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: makeup as a younger girl, then you potentially are being
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: exposed to things like endocrine disruptors. Um. That could be
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: even more harmful because your body is still developing, so
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: they're going to have more of an effect on you. Um.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a there's a number of reasons to
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: say maybe wait uh men, but hey, that's your choice. Yeah, agreed,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: unless your parents they know. Yeah, that's a whole other issue,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: isn't it. And you can't wait to face all those things.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Uh So let's talk about many a little bit. Um Well,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: there's a couple of different uh categories. Have been with makeup,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: men wearing makeup. Um, you and I had a TV show.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Oh man, I wore so much makeup. I didn't wear
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: any makeup I know, and Chuck, I wish I could
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: go back, And it's just been like, and here's the deal.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: I didn't h I didn't not wear makeup because I
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: thought it was girly or anything. I didn't wear makeup
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: because I sweat like a beast. Our stage was hot
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: as hades, and the thing you look totally fine. Well
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: and in HD I've seen you. I appreciate it, but
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: makeup doesn't you know. I remember our makeup artists being like, well,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: this will help with the sweat, and I'm like, you
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: don't understand. You had a hand fan, do you remember
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: they had it like right right? And when it takes
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: somebody put Yeah, Fanny that's right in Chuck's hand. Yeah,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: makeup won't. There are some scenes though, where I look.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: I remember used to stop and be like, guys like,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: look at Chuck, he's got sweat pouring down his head,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: like we can't shoot. I remember that too, But you
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: were right. There are some scenes where I look very glossy,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: but there are many scenes where you look orange. So
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: I just I just didn't like it. I didn't like
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: the I didn't want the chemicals on my face. I
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: didn't like the way it stung my eyes because I sweat,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: and it just was like, no, it wasn't fun to
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: take off at the end of the day. Um So, anyway,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: that's my makeup story. UM my friend, I'm not gonna
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: say his name. You know, he was a personal driver
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: for Burt Reynolds on a movie here Atlanta, and I
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: was like, what does Burt Reynolds look like without his makeup?
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: He went, what do you mean? He's like, he puts
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: it on in his room that morning, so he you
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: don't know what Burt Reynolds looks like without makeup and
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: it was caked on. If Burt Reynolds and Tim Kazarinsky
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: are actually the same person, Uh. The other aspect of
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: men and makeup is whether or not men well a
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: if they should have any say, and whether or not
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: women wear makeup, but whether or not men like men
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: have long tried to have a say in whether women
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: wore makeup in a lot of it sadly is like bullying,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: yeah or or uh, accusations of fraud or witch craft, sorcery.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Seventeen seventy British Parliament had a law that said if
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: you wear makeup, they it was akin to witchcraft. They said, basically,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: you have a false face, so you can get an annulment. Gentlemen,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: once you wake up after your wedding night and your
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: wife doesn't have makeup on, and you're frightened by her appearance,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: you can get an annulment because she tricked you with
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: thinking that she was pretty with all her makeup. That's
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: exactly right. Unbelievable and who was it? The poet Marshall,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: The Roman poet Marshall Um He wrote to a woman
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: apparently who wore makeup, and said, you are but a
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: composition of lies. No man can say I love you,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: for you are not what he loves, and no one
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: loves what you are what a mean poem to write.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: It's like, just shut up, keep it to yourself. If
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: you have preference for a lady who doesn't wear makeup, fine,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: you know. It's like it's like today on the Internet
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: where somebody's like, I don't like that TV show. They
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: these guys have to hear about it. It's like, now,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: just move along. Yeah, I'm not a big fan of makeup,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: but I don't care, like it's it's your choice. Eily
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: doesn't wear makeup because she's lazy. I'm just she'll love that. No,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: she'll she'll be the first to admit it every now
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: and then she'll she'll doll herself up a very little
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: bit when I'm coming over. Yeah, he's like, Josh is coming,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: let me get out smoky eyes. I know it drives
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: him crazy when you wear it, chuck. But when she does,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I was always like, well, you look like a different
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: version of my wife. I'm not like you. But also
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: just like the way she looks normal, you know. Yeah, well, yeah,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: there's definitely something to be said about how a woman
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: looks without makeup, Like, no, not much at all, and
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: she frequently goes without it too. Um, and I understand
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: that there's like that's that's not to ignore just a
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: whole group of women out there around the world who
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: are like, no, you wear makeup, you put your face
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: on exactly. That's is frequently what it's called and and
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: they just can't imagine not wearing makeup behind bully for
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: you do what you want to do. Um. It does
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: seem like there's a big conversation that you can start
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: up any time if you want, especially on Slate where
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: you know, are those women, um, you know, selling out
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: the feminist movement still or that kind of thing. But yeah,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I tend to agree with the idea of choice. Yeah,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: there's a big movement now among some of the celebrity uh,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: some celebrity women that's like, now I want to be
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: in the cover of this magazine without makeup, Like I
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: want to show my true self because we're I'm tired
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: of this ideal that uh, we've created in culture and
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: pop culture that we have to look a certain way.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: And um, one of the things that I hate a
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: lot of things about the Internet, but I think one
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: of my things I hate worst is look how ugly
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: these celebrities look when they're grocery shopping. Look at this
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: lady without our makeup on, like it's just awful, man.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Or there was this movement called the hashtag no makeup selfies. Yeah,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: that one around Twitter recently last year maybe I think,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: and they raised something like um ten twelve million dollars
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: for cancer research general cancer research. Sure, that is great,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: but it was like daring. It was like it was
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: a daring, bold move to to release a photo of
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: yourself publicly without wearing makeup, which still suggests that it
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: is basically a social expectation or a social requirement. People
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: expect you generally to wear makeup then and to not
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: where it is like a bold act that one's willing
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: to sacrifice oneself for in the name of generating money
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: for cancer research. Yeah, and all in the name in
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: general of submitting to the whims of what a man
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: finds attractive. That's kind of at the base of it all. Yeah,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: But again, I don't think you can discount the idea
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: that women themselves find frequently find themselves more attractive when
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: they have makeup on, you know, And there's no reason
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: to discount that. Oh man, all right, let's take the
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: wasps wasps nests off of our arms. I thought this
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: is very fair. I thought it was our old trustee
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: saying to each their own yeah, which we frequently adopt
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: and then abandoned depending on the topic. That's exactly right.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: If you want to know more about makeup, you can
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: go to UM department store. Did you know the stuff
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: in department stores are called prestige cosmetics. That's what they're called.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: What do you mean, just the stuff they sell? Yeah,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: like the good stuff. They don't call it like high
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: end or they call it prestige cosmetics. Man, it is expensive. Oh,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: we didn't talk. Did you see some of the weird
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: stuff that they put in in cosmetics? Yeah, you want
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: to run through the real quick. There's just a couple
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: that stuck out to me, like roague kill. Alright, go
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: in so talo you as like you render animal fat
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: and you come up with talo and tallow is used
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: in a lot of different moisturize or shampoo's that kind
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: of stuff. And apparently it is legal to source your
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: um animal fat from everything from zoos to roadue kill,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: and the stuff ends up in cosmetics. It is a
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: little weird. Now here is one UM. The TNS Recovery
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Complex by Skin Medica infant foreskin. This is one of
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Oprah's favorite things, and I looked into it because it's
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: a big anti aging product and I thought, they're not
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: using infant foreskin. Uh, and they aren't in a way.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: What they did was U twenty years ago they used
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: cells from a single four skin grown in a lab
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: that they still use that the same thing now. But
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: people act like they're like taking foreskin and grinding it up,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: and Oprah is like, look under your chair, there's a
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: for skin under there. Uh. This one sounds kind of
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: gross at first with them when you look into its awesome.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Snail us. Yeah, so snail Ouze they using moisturizers and
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: I imagine prestige moisturizers because it contains glycolic acid and elastin.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: And the reason that it contains is because the snail
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: needs heal it's own cuts and bruises and stuff like that.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: And apparently it works in human skin as well. Yeah,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: pretty cool stuff. Yeah. I mean, if you're a vegan,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: you're probably not using a lot of these products because
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: everything from landelin to crushed beetles go into a lot
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: of cosmetics, and so U they vegans are like, I
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: don't want animals in my products. Well, Lanelyne is squeezing
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: from sheep's wool, so technically you're fine. And don't tell
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: a vegan that the wool industry is very uh oh,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: I see hotly debated. Uh do you got anything else?
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