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Man with knuckles-tatoo spotted in Jessica Vanzant Dietzel, 21, disappearance video · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The very words last scene
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  Speaker 1: on grainy surveillance video sends a chill down my spine.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine a mother's fear when that is what
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  Speaker 1: she learns about her girl? And I am talking about
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  Speaker 1: twenty one year old Jessica. You may not have heard
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  Speaker 1: her name, but you will hear it now. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: see Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation and Serious XM one
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  Speaker 1: eleven the Triumph Channel. When I heard about this case,
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  Speaker 1: I knew we had to cover it because this mom
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  Speaker 1: is beside herself and when you get to know Jessica yourself,
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  Speaker 1: you'll feel the same way. But first of all, I
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  Speaker 1: want you to take a less said to our friend
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  Speaker 1: Dave Mack at crime online dot com. Jessica, Diane van
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  Speaker 1: zand Deetzel was last seen on surveillance video at an Albany,
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  Speaker 1: Georgia area gas station. The last communication, however, was made
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  Speaker 1: through messenger. Christina Johnson and her daughter messaged about a
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  Speaker 1: week before she disappeared, but with no answer to her
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  Speaker 1: follow up messages. Johnson reported the twenty one year old
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  Speaker 1: missing on March first. The Lee County Sheriff's office says
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  Speaker 1: the timeframe Diesel went missing is likely between February sixteenth
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  Speaker 1: and March first. Police information is that the young mom
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  Speaker 1: intended to visit someone living in a tent near Radium
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  Speaker 1: Springs Road. Officers went there and interviewed several people, but
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  Speaker 1: have not found Jessica. Where is Jessica again? I Nancy
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  Speaker 1: Gracis is Fox Nation of series X twenty eleven. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us, with me and All Star
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  Speaker 1: panel to break you down and put it back together
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  Speaker 1: again and shed light on what has become of Jessica
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  Speaker 1: van zand where is she? Police convinced she is in danger?
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  Speaker 1: With me, Investigator Danny all Day joining me from the
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  Speaker 1: League County Sheriff's Department. Cheryl McCullum, you know her well,
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  Speaker 1: founder of the Cold Case Research Institute. Doctor Bethany Marshall,
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  Speaker 1: psychoanalyst to the stars, joining me out of Beverly Hills.
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  Speaker 1: You can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Bobby Point Event joining me from w A. L. D
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  Speaker 1: Albany News reporter. But first to a special guest joining me,
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  Speaker 1: Christina Johnson. This is Jessica's mother, Miss Johnson. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: for being with us. My first question to you is
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  Speaker 1: when you first heard the words surveillance video. That would
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  Speaker 1: scare me so much to think the last time my
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  Speaker 1: daughter has been seen alive it's on surveillance video. Do
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  Speaker 1: you remember when they first told you that, Yes, I actually, um,
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  Speaker 1: if it was, I watched it on the LIVEPD really yeah?
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  Speaker 1: And then what what? What did you observe seeing my
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  Speaker 1: child walk in that store and that's the last time
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  Speaker 1: she's been seen by anybody or you know, in anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: My heart stops my stomach watching Its chilling. Missus Johnson,
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  Speaker 1: When you were watching her on the surveillance video, did
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  Speaker 1: she seem to be concerned? Was she acting like herself?
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  Speaker 1: Was there anything unusual about her appearance? You know? Um, No,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't notice anything unusual. She just you know, just
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  Speaker 1: walked casually walked in the store. I watched it over
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  Speaker 1: and over. Yeah, she didn't seem under the rest. What
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  Speaker 1: was she wearing? May I asked? It was a like
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  Speaker 1: a a Nike shirt and or give me my mine's
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  Speaker 1: not um working too well right now? It's like a
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  Speaker 1: teal green uh huh. Nike shirt uh huh with a
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  Speaker 1: swoosh on the front right, and it's some kind of
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  Speaker 1: a dark pants. Was it a short sleeve long sleeve shirt?
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  Speaker 1: Short sleeve short sleeve and short or long pants? Um,
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  Speaker 1: they're kind of they looked to me like maybe met
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  Speaker 1: kaffer or to the ankle almost kind of like kind
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  Speaker 1: of like a free and was her hair up or
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  Speaker 1: down up up in like a ball on her head?
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  Speaker 1: Do you know what time of the day or night
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  Speaker 1: that surveillance video was taken? You know, I think it
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  Speaker 1: was early early morning, like an am, like before six am.
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  Speaker 1: Now why would she have been at a gas station
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  Speaker 1: before six am or at six am? I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Was she getting gas or was she going in for
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  Speaker 1: coffee or something else? And she tried to make a
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  Speaker 1: purchase with her her fist damp card. And was she
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  Speaker 1: in a vehicle or did she walk? We I know
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  Speaker 1: from what I can tell. Um, well, actually I just
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  Speaker 1: I can't tell. I can't tell if she was walking,
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  Speaker 1: did she have a vehicle? Num? Was anyone with her? Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know there was somebody actually that you can see
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  Speaker 1: a hand on the door that was holding the door
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  Speaker 1: aping for her. But that's how you can think. That
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  Speaker 1: tells me it was most likely a man. So you
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  Speaker 1: can see a handage on the hand. What tattoos on
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  Speaker 1: the hand? Really? Can you make out what kind of
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  Speaker 1: tattoo it looks like letters, letters on the back of
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  Speaker 1: the palm or the back of the fingers. It looks
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  Speaker 1: like on the top of the hand, on top of
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  Speaker 1: the fingers, fingers light near the nail, light near the
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  Speaker 1: like in between the knuckle and the not the not
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  Speaker 1: the nail though, got you between the nail and the knuckle,
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  Speaker 1: Not between the nail knuckle, between the knuckle and the hand,
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  Speaker 1: Ye got it? Like when you make a fist, that's
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  Speaker 1: where you would see it. So letters right there. That's
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  Speaker 1: that's very significant in my mind. Could you make it
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  Speaker 1: so again? That sounds like a man to me? Could
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  Speaker 1: you make out if he was white, black, Hispanic, Asian?
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  Speaker 1: Anything like that? Right? White guys speaking with me right now?
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  Speaker 1: Is the mother of a missing girl, Jessica van Zimpe.
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  Speaker 1: Her mother, Christina Johnson, is with me begging for your help.
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  Speaker 1: Tip line two two nine four three six tips That
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  Speaker 1: translates to two two nine four three six eight four
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  Speaker 1: seven seven or two two nine seven to five nine
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  Speaker 1: six zero three four repeat two two nine seven five
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  Speaker 1: nine six zero three four two two nine seven five
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  Speaker 1: nine six zero three four that's the number to call.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna circle back to miss Johnson in just one moment,
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  Speaker 1: but now to Bobby point Event w A l D Albany. Bobby,
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  Speaker 1: let's just start at the beginning. When did Jessica go?
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  Speaker 1: When was she last seen by a human not a
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  Speaker 1: video surveillance. So we've had different reports from different law
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  Speaker 1: enforcement and I'm sure mister all Day can kind of
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  Speaker 1: go into that what they saw the Sheriff's office. But
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  Speaker 1: we have our last reporter that we've known of from
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement is outside of a motel actually, and that
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  Speaker 1: was sometime at the end of February. We have both
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  Speaker 1: the Lee County Shares Office telling us that as well
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  Speaker 1: as Okaya, pause, mister point Event. Let me ask you
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  Speaker 1: a couple of questions right there last saying standing near
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  Speaker 1: a motel. Do we have a description of what she
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  Speaker 1: was wearing, who she was with, possible vehicle morning, noon
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  Speaker 1: or night, and her demeanor any of that. We don't
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  Speaker 1: have much information about that. We just according to the APD.
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  Speaker 1: According to Albany Police, she willingly got into a vehicle
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  Speaker 1: outside of the Luxury Inn which is located in all video.
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  Speaker 1: And that's that's about all the information that we know.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, do you know what kind of vehicle? Bobby, No, ma'am. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let me go straight to investigator Danny old Day joining
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  Speaker 1: us from the Sheriff's department there in Lee County. Investigator
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  Speaker 1: all Day, thank you for being with us. What can
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  Speaker 1: you tell me about that signing of her at the
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  Speaker 1: Luxury Inn? So through our investigation we have not found
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  Speaker 1: any evidence to hold that reliable. Is there any surveillance
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  Speaker 1: video there? No, ma'am, we do not have any surveillance video.
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  Speaker 1: Do they have it? Do they have it at the
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  Speaker 1: Luxury Inn? I'm not aware of any at this time.
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  Speaker 1: To the mom, Christina Johnson, have you been to the
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  Speaker 1: luxury in? Have you noticed if there's surveillance video or not?
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  Speaker 1: Because I find it really hard to believe they don't
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  Speaker 1: at least have it where you check in. Actually, when
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  Speaker 1: that was reported, it was a third party pit and
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  Speaker 1: later on that evening it actually somebody took a picture
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  Speaker 1: of the women and the and it was confirmed that
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  Speaker 1: was not my daughter, it was some other female. Well,
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  Speaker 1: no wonder, no wonder, Bobby point event and investigator all day.
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  Speaker 1: It can't be confirmed because it was a different woman.
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  Speaker 1: So to hey with the video, it's not her. Oh
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  Speaker 1: Man time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, for those of
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  Speaker 1: you just joining us, we are on the search for
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  Speaker 1: a beautiful young girl that will strike terror into every
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  Speaker 1: mother and father's heart that hears this. This twenty one
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  Speaker 1: year old girl, Jessica van Zand last thing we know
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  Speaker 1: for sure at a gas station. She walks in to
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  Speaker 1: buy something in the gas station, like a quick stop,
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  Speaker 1: and you see a male hand opened the door for her.
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  Speaker 1: That's all you can see in the video. And on
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  Speaker 1: that hand are letters across the knuckle closest to the hand. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't like it at all.
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  Speaker 1: And the fact that the mother I think I would
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  Speaker 1: remember knuckle tattoos right there. Okay, I would remember that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean Cheryl will Collin, director of the Cole case
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  Speaker 1: Ree Search Institute. That's the kind of thing that sticks
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  Speaker 1: in your mind. Nancy, here's the biggest issue I have
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  Speaker 1: with this whole situation right now. You and I from
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  Speaker 1: Jump Street would start working on the timeline anytime we
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  Speaker 1: had a cake. We don't have a qualified timeline. At
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  Speaker 1: this point, we do not know the last person she
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  Speaker 1: was with. We don't know where she was or what
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  Speaker 1: she was walking or in a car or with somebody.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know for sure what she was wearing because
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  Speaker 1: we don't know for sure what day she even went missing.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, Cheryl, You know you and I go
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  Speaker 1: way way back to a crime scene in their early
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  Speaker 1: morning hours. Oh yes, at a dope scene. But Cheryl,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I don't like. I don't like when
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  Speaker 1: somebody tells me what's wrong. I don't like that. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to hear while we can't create a timeline,
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  Speaker 1: I want to hear what we do have and then
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  Speaker 1: we'll jump off from there. So Cheryl, give me some
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  Speaker 1: good news. I know we've got the video, so we've
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  Speaker 1: got that day. But Cheryl, do you think there is
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  Speaker 1: any other day before or after that is incredible sighting
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  Speaker 1: that we can use to help find this girl. The
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  Speaker 1: day that she reached out to her mom on Facebook
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  Speaker 1: mentioner is solid. The day that she walked into that
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  Speaker 1: grocery store is solid. Okay were they the same day? Cheryl? No? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: what's the most recent day she's alive after Christina Johnson,
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  Speaker 1: Jessica's mom. What date did you get the message from her?
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  Speaker 1: But actually that was around the thirteenth was the lifetime
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  Speaker 1: she'd seen a message, you know. Actually the February fourth
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  Speaker 1: was the lifetime sheehind I she and I had come
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  Speaker 1: first messenger. That was my reassurance that I know that
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  Speaker 1: February eighteenth was the last time that she had any
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  Speaker 1: kind of conversation with anyone. Who did she speak with too?
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  Speaker 1: Im February eighteen, The last person I could tell was
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  Speaker 1: a young man named Mitch Glaser. Okay, Mick or Mitch
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  Speaker 1: Mitch m I tc H last name Glaser E L
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  Speaker 1: A U S I E R. Blosser. Okay, And let
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  Speaker 1: me ask you about the content of that messagary, what
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  Speaker 1: are you are you using text? But how are you messaging? It?
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  Speaker 1: Was messenger? Her messenger? And is she using her phone
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  Speaker 1: to do that? I know she didn't have a phone.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know whose phone that she was using. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: quick quick question to investigate her all day? And I
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  Speaker 1: hear Miss Johnson, the frustration of your voice. I hear it.
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  Speaker 1: I hear your voice cracking, and I would be doing
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  Speaker 1: this same thing. Investigator Danny all day with me from
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  Speaker 1: the Lead County Sheriff's Department. Investigator. That message that she
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  Speaker 1: sent to Mitch blauser, Are you familiar with it? I am, yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 1: What was she saying? Was she upset? So she was
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  Speaker 1: talking to numerous people on the eighteenth, but no, ma'am
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  Speaker 1: with Mitch Poshner and doesn't appear she was upset. She
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  Speaker 1: was indicating to him where she was. Where was she?
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  Speaker 1: So right now we have basically she was at the
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  Speaker 1: local motel, the Deep South Motel in Albanny, Georgia. Now, okay,
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  Speaker 1: thank you, Now we're getting somewhere. So have you looked
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  Speaker 1: at the content of that text, investigator all day? Yes? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: And you know to you Christina Johnson, Jessica's mother, when
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  Speaker 1: you last heard from her, and that was on FIB four,
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  Speaker 1: what did she say? Why was she messaging you? What
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  Speaker 1: did she want? She just simply asked if I had
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  Speaker 1: gotten any mail here at my house for her. That
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  Speaker 1: sounds pretty normal, I mean to you, doctor Bethany Marshall
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  Speaker 1: around Psychoanen's joining me out of Beverly Hills, Doctor Bethany,
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  Speaker 1: when you have a faked message, for instance, someone abducts you,
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  Speaker 1: all right, and they're sending fake messages to make it
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  Speaker 1: appear that everything is okay. Like, let's just say, Bethany,
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  Speaker 1: I abduct you, I'm holding you captive, and I get
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  Speaker 1: your phone, I force you to give me your password,
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  Speaker 1: and I start sending people message that I find in
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  Speaker 1: your contacts or I use your last known text, and
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  Speaker 1: I send these people messages to suggest you're okay. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: did you get an email from me? It's not that
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  Speaker 1: kind of message that tells me by the content of
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  Speaker 1: that message she was alive and well on February four.
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  Speaker 1: Would you agree or disagree? Agree? That is an authentic
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  Speaker 1: message from a daughter to a mother with deep, great familiarity.
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  Speaker 1: The daughter is dependent on her mother, has a relationship
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  Speaker 1: with her mother, loves her mother, needs something from her mother,
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  Speaker 1: and she DMS her. So no, this is not some
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  Speaker 1: perp who took her phone. And back to you, Investigator Danny.
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  Speaker 1: All day again, Investigator, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: I know you have business to attend to today and
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate you being with us in the search for
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  Speaker 1: Jessica van Zant. Investigator. Let's fast forward to fib eighteen.
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  Speaker 1: She texted multiple people that day. I'm saying text message,
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  Speaker 1: can you trace whose phone she was using? Wouldn't it
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  Speaker 1: pop up on the recipient's phone? Yes, ma'am. We have
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  Speaker 1: actually conducted approximately eighteen search warrants and we have located
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  Speaker 1: the last known phones she used to communicate with. Who
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  Speaker 1: was it? It's a person of interest being very uncooperative
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  Speaker 1: with us at the time, So okay, I don't like
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  Speaker 1: that one bit. Yes, he assaulted an attorney. He has
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  Speaker 1: not come forward to provide any additional information to help
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  Speaker 1: us find Jessica. How did you manage to Did you
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  Speaker 1: get a look at his phone? We did? How'd you
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  Speaker 1: do that? Did you have a warrant or did he
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  Speaker 1: just hand it to you? So we executed a search
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  Speaker 1: warrant as vents, and we also obtained a search warrant
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  Speaker 1: for his electronic device devices. Does that mean cell phone
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  Speaker 1: and computer or just cell phone, cell phone, computer, any
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  Speaker 1: type of external hard jobs. Do you believe Danny all
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  Speaker 1: Day that she was in that location on February eighteen, Yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 1: We can say accurately that she was at Deep South
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  Speaker 1: Motel on February eighteenth. Guys, we are talking about the
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  Speaker 1: disappearance of a young girl Bobby point ofment with me
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  Speaker 1: w A L. D Albany. Bobby, So that moves me
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  Speaker 1: for from February four to February eighteen, based on multiple
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  Speaker 1: messages that day and the content the content of those messages,
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  Speaker 1: we know she was alive that day, but we're two
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  Speaker 1: months late, Bobby in your sources, guys, Bobby point ofment
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  Speaker 1: joining me w A L. D Albany from your sources,
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  Speaker 1: can you place her alive after eighteen? You know, it's
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  Speaker 1: interesting we haven't had any lucky either placing her alive
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  Speaker 1: or are kind any any kind of way you know,
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  Speaker 1: she's kind of gone off the face of the map
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  Speaker 1: is the way a lot of sources have been telling me,
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  Speaker 1: and again my source, so a lot of with the investigators,
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  Speaker 1: and I've kept in contact ago with missus Christina Johnson.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, it's just she just kind of went
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  Speaker 1: flat off the map around those dates. Crime stories with
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about the disappearance of a
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  Speaker 1: twenty one year old girl last seeing that we know
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  Speaker 1: of at a local gas station heading in to get
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  Speaker 1: what coffee, gum, a snack. We don't know. We do
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  Speaker 1: know that a mail hand opened the door for her.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Bobby point Event at
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  Speaker 1: w a LB News. Christina Johnson wakes up every day
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  Speaker 1: thinking of her missing child, twenty one year old Jessica Dietzel.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my eyes, and I know that it's another day
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  Speaker 1: and it's for real and this is really happening. I say, God,
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  Speaker 1: please help me. It's Jessica Dietzel went missing in February.
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  Speaker 1: Her mother, Christina Johnson, tells me she is not sure
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  Speaker 1: where her daughter is now or what happened to her.
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  Speaker 1: She tells me she has not stopped searching for answers
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  Speaker 1: and is grateful that community hasn't either. Gentlemen, offer to
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  Speaker 1: scoot out today and they're actually down there recreationally. I
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  Speaker 1: do it well. Horse can't describe the feeling of gratitude.
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  Speaker 1: And the community don't care so much. It's been almost
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  Speaker 1: two months since Jessica went missing. Dropped off them that out. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: you were hearing our friend Bobby Poutiment speaking to Christina Johnson.
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  Speaker 1: This is Jessica's mom. But now take a listen again
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  Speaker 1: to our friend at w a LB. Multiple agencies, including
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  Speaker 1: the Lee County Sheriff's Office, the Dougherty County Sheriff's Office
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  Speaker 1: and Albany Police are looking into Jessica's disappearance. When it
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  Speaker 1: comes to Jessica's case, Christina has always had confidence in
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  Speaker 1: both the Lee and Dougherty County Sheriff's Office, but not
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  Speaker 1: with Albany Police. My frustration is that from the beginning,
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  Speaker 1: I felt like they took it. They had taken it
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  Speaker 1: too night only. There's lots of speculation from the community
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  Speaker 1: on why Jessica went missing. Those people that are reported
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  Speaker 1: missing or whatever might have in the email somebody's dollar son.
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  Speaker 1: Don't matter what they're doing, what they're out there involved in,
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  Speaker 1: whoever is. They're human beings. Recently, video conversations have surface,
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  Speaker 1: leading to possible information in Jessica's case. I take everything seriously.
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  Speaker 1: I'm everything I'm getting. I'm still I'm getting. I won't it.
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  Speaker 1: I want any information, send it, send it, Send it.
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  Speaker 1: The tip line is two two nine seven to five
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  Speaker 1: nine six zero three four repeat two two nine seven
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  Speaker 1: five nine six zero three four two two nine seven
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  Speaker 1: five of nine six zero three four. That's the number
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  Speaker 1: to call Miss Johnson. I heard a baby in the background.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Is that Jessica's baby? Yes? Nancy, do you have her baby?
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I do tell me about the baby. She turned three
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: years of March first, and Tisa absolute princess Lee. We
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: call her baby Cakes. Does she has she asked about
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: her mom? No, she has not, you know, asked about
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: a poor thing. Yea three years old. Guys, I'm taking
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: a look at Jessica right now and she's just absolutely beautiful.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: And I don't like that it is being alleged the
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: police took the case too lightly, Cheryl McCallum, Director Cold
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Case Research Institute. Very often police believe, and very often
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: they're right that the person has heard back home to mommy.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: But that's not always true, Cheryl, Well, I don't think
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: it's really true here, Nancy. She would not admiss that
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: baby his third birthday party on March first. She wouldn't
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: have done that. The other thing that concerns me is
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: you've got somebody that's lawyered up. Now here's the reality
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: of this thing. Albany is a hot spot for this pandemic,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: this COVID nineteen, so people are sheltering in place. His
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: cell phone is going to be a money tree because
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: if he does not have a job where he is essential,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: he shouldn't have been going anywhere on February eighteenth, But
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm saying on February eighteenth, he could have
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: and I'm saying now so whatever his movements have been
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: are going to be critical for law enforcement. If something
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: bad has happened to Jessica and his phone hit somewhere
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: where he knows, where he hunts, where he fishes and
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: out of the way spot peek and orchard, there's gonna
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: be a place where he goes where he feels very comfortable,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: that is secluded, and that's where Detective all Day needs
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: to concentrate. Two. Detective all Day, he's joining us in
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Old Daily County Sheriff's Office. Investigator all Day, question about
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: your POI person of interest phone? Has it been pinged?
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Have the movements of the phone around the time of
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: February eighteenth been looked at? So, Nancy, we do have
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: those records. We are going through those records. We have
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: a tame location tings from his phone, and we are
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: we currently have investigators driving around each location that he visited.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: You know, that's really interesting, Investigator all Day, that you
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: guys have already done that. I mean to try to
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: get phone records from a phone company. It's like pulling
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: a tooth. Even with a subpoena, it takes them forever.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: But we are now going on February to March, March
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: to April. Two months it's Jessica went and missing, and
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: now the sheriffs are out trying to follow those pings
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: once they've been triangulated. You know, I want to go
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: to doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalysts joining me. Why is it?
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: And I always use this because it's such a great
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: example of Scott Peterson when he murdered his wife Lacy
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: and her unborn child, Connor. He didn't go to someplace
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: he had never been. He went to a place he
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: knew very well. He was a fisherman. He went out
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: to San Francisco Bay where he had fished many, many times,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: countless times, and disposed of her body. Why is it?
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Purps always go back to places they're familiar. And this
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: is what I like to do with juries or anyone.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: If you had to hide something, let's just pretend a body.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: If you had to hide something in your own my
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: dog blurted out, bethany where would you go? Where would
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: you hide it? If you think about it. You're going
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: to go somewhere known to you, with which you are familiar,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: a place you have frequented, or that you know. Bethany,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: it's like the dog circling three times before he'll sit down.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: It's like an instinct. And Nancy, think about Kathy Anthony.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: You know she secreted her little girl's body basically in
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: our own backyard at her middle school. That's right in
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: the woods behind the middle school where she and her
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: friends would go and smoke and hang out behind the
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: school in that wooded area. You're absolutely right. And here's
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: another stat two thirds of all children who are murdered
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: by their parents, the bodies are disposed of within a
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: quarter mile of the family home. So that goes to
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: your theory as well, that it's always a familiar place people. Criminals,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: when they get out of jail, where do they go.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: They go straight to their mother's house. So you know, yes,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: it's usually a place where there's great familiarity. They've been
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: there many, many times. And I think it's because criminals
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: perpetrators are very small minded. They are not imaginative. They
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: do not have cause and effects thinking. They never think
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: they're going to be caught, they don't think about going
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: outside that they're usual routines because usually Nancy, they don't
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: think they did anything wrong. They really don't. They had
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: can have every rationalization in the world. So they're not
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: going to be clever enough to drive to another state.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, we do see that occasionally, where somebody goes
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: on some reckless creaning right to another stage. Well, we
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: did just see that in the Gannon Stok case. Yes,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: we did, where the mother, Letitia Stock is accused with
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: the stepmother. Yes, stepmother, thank you for that very critical clarification.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Stepmother takes Gannon's body all the way from Colorado Springs
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: down to the Florida Panhandle. Yes, and that is very
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: few and far between. Would you agree with that investigator
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Danny all Day that when you are hiding something very
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: rarely to purpse, travel too too far away to dispose
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: of something. Yeah, so I've seen that previous investigations. They
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: always free somewhere where they're familiar with. Like you said,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: they don't believe anybody else has knowledge of that location.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Now we know that in early March, authorities conducted in
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: an extensive search along with volunteers in the community in
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: a wooded area near the Flint River, which is a
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: long river. It's a long body of water that stretches
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: through many many counties to investigator all day, what led
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: you to the Flint River? So we received numerous tips
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: that her body may have been thrown into the river,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: so we conducted ground search of that area, a ground search, Yes, ma'am,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: we were not able to get into the water. At
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: the time. We had severe flooding in our area, so
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: we were not able to put any resources into the water.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we were looking for
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Jessica van Zandt missing out of Albany, Georgia. And yes,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I know New York is Albany, Georgia. It's Albany. I
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to our cut seven Brett.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: This is Christina Johnson and speak you to arm Chair
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Detective YouTube channel. I want you to take a listen
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: to this. Finally she did just completely cut off from him,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: and then he went on on full flesh tear her
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: campaign to tear her apart. You know, the terror campaign
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: included that hand it on Facebook? Didn't that? So yes,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: taking it to social media and just oh my gosh,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: and then walking into restaurants if she One time she
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: was in McDonald's with a friend and he walked in
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: air and started screaming, how you want her? Fifty dollars
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: you can have her, was the names and got her
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: fired from her job. He when there's a restraining order
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: was in effect. He went across the road holler and
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: then screaming at her down. You know, it was just
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: terrible everywhere she went. She moved around a lot, and
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: she couldn't got to where she couldn't even keep a
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: steady place or anything, and it was just rough. He
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: started calling defacts on her early on te which they
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: came out and they went and find anything, you know,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: right or wrong. It just hurts me so much. To
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: top it all off, she was being stought and harassed
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: by the ex Christina Johnson, this is Jessica's mother. Special
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: guests joining us today. How long did the ex her
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: ex husband terrorize her? It started, um, not too long
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: after they had met a lot of manipulation and stuff.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: But then she you know, just couldn't absolutely taking no
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: more and she made a break from him. And that
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: was i'd say about two and a half years ago, um,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: two years a little maybe right up two years ago.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: And then at that point he was this full force
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: with it. Was he still stalking her and harassing her
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: at the time she went missing. Well, the hard part
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: about it is that if she went top two and
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: stuff like that, then he played on her email and
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: she lost her father and when she was lit all
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: and he died in a jail. So Kenneth would say
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: things such as, you know, I'm just gonna go ahead
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: and I'll kill myself for I will end up, you know,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: like your daddy. And then um, you know that our
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: child would just grow up without the father, and that
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: really played on her heart and her emotions and everything
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: about her life. And it was a back and forth thing.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: He would grill her in and then he would treat
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: her this this horrible and absolutely this terrorized and the
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: story torment her, and then she'd be like, why did
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: I do this? And it was just that was it
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: was a constant like that to investigator Danny all day.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: I assume you've looked at the X correct. Yes, man,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: we have, and we're continuing to look into him. You know,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, director of Cold Case Research Institute. Earlier we
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: heard our friend Bobby Portament, speaking with various guests joining
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: us in w ald Albany. And it's been argued that
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: her case, her disappearance, has been taken very quote lightly,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: you know, Cheryl. When you have a girl, a debutante
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: from a prestigious family with loads of money, on her
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: way heading off to an Ivy League school for college,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: you can't open a newspaper, you can't go online without
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: seeing it. That has not been the case with Jessica,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: and it's so wrong. It's wrong, Nancy. And people think
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: they know the ending already, They think they know Jessica already,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: but they don't. And the reality is, if something has
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: happened to her at the hands of someone else, that
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: means all being has got to kill amongst them, and
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: that should never be okay with anyone, regardless of who
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: the victim is. And you and I, I've had more
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: than one case where the victim was a hooker or
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: a drug addict, or somebody that was in a violent
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: situation and would not leave. But the reality is, you
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: have somebody amongst you that is a danger to everybody,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: not just Jessica. You know, ser I'm gonna call them.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: You could not have said it better. Won't you please
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: help find Jessica van Zant, her mother here begging for
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: your help. She has a little girl that I understand
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: looks exactly like Jessica, even the very same smile. We
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: don't want her to grow up without her mother, or
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: at least the knowledge of where is her mother, what
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: happened to her mother? And grow up thinking, doctor Bethany Marshall,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: whether it's true or not that mommy just left her.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: That's not what happened. That is not what happened. And
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: we know what children at the age of two, if
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: the mother dies or is removed from the child, that
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: that child is presposed to diabetes, heart attack, stroke throughout
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: the lifespan premature death. Fortunately the little girl is three,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: so she's beyond that critical stage. And fortunately Elena is
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: with her grandmother who loves her so much. The best
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: predictor of good mental and physical health for a toddler
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: who loses the parent is that they go into another
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: very secure home. That is the best predictor and such
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: vest and he I know you're right, and thank god
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Christina Johnson is taking care of the baby. But I
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: don't want the baby to grow up thinking she doesn't
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: know what happened to her mother, and did mommy just
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: leave one day and she's got a whole nother life
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: and a whole other family in some other location and
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: doesn't care about her the baby. I don't want that
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: for the baby. There is credible research in my field,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: robust research that shows that if a child an adult
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: has a good autobiographical narrative of what happened to them
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: and their parents and their family and their life, it's
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: a predictor of good mental health. So in order, in
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: other words, if you're able to tell your own story,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: if you know the details, if you know exactly what happened,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: there's reliable information, you can cope in the face of
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: the known. But if little Elena doesn't know, if there
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: are gaps or blanks, we read into that our worst
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: possible fears and anxieties, and that could be to predispose
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: her to be very mistrustful of men and mistrustful of adults.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: So the investigators are doing heroic work in trying to
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: bring all the details and facts to life. It's not
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: just for Christina the mother, it's not just for Jessica.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: It's for Elena, because she does deserve to know. But
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: to Bobby point Ament W A. L. D Albany, Bobby,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: what is the very latest and what else have you
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: guys been able to develop? You know, I have been
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: saying in constant contact with my kind text with several
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: different agencies that are looking into this. It's not just
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Billy County Share Office, although I believe they are the
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: lead investigators on this case. You know, I've contacted them
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: several times a week getting information on what's going on.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: They're still doing search warrants. That's the latest that I've
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: been told. And what's interesting, Nancy about this story is
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: that there's such a huge community response to this. I
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: know you guys were just mentioning that people think they
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: know Jessica. This is this is sparked a conversation unlike
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: any other missing person's case that we've had before. It's
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: it's sparked a conversation. So we're listening to the community.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: We've had such a huge We get emails all the
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: time about you know, let's hear some more about Jessica.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: What's the latest on Jessica. So it's definitely been a
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: mission of mine to constantly stay in contact with investigators
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: on what's going on. APD ALBNY Police Department held of
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: press conferences. I think about maybe two weeks ago. I've
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: starked to them last week quote directly from them, suspicions.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: The investigation has not to any suspicions of foul play,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: although they are taking this case very seriously. So that's
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: the latest from my contacts on what's going on. They
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: may say there's no foul play, Bobby point a minute,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: but I can tell you this, this young girl would
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: never stay away from her own mother and her baby
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: girl for this long no way. Now you call it tomato,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I call it tomato, But this is foul play. And
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: we wait as this search and justice unfolds. Tiply two
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: two nine seven to five nine six zero three four
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: repeat two two nine seven five nine six zero three
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  Speaker 1: four two two nine seven five nine six zero three four.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: That's the number to call, Miss Johnson. Please know we
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: are staying on it and our prayers continue. Nancy Grace
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Crime Story signing off, Goodbye friend, No