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55KRC Friday Show - Tech Friday, Cong Davidson, Vivek Ramaswamy, National Taxpayer Union, Jack Windsor · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: 505-555-KRC, the talk station. Yay, it's Friday. It's Friday. There
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  Speaker 1: it is. Confirmation. Always looking forward to that on a
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  Speaker 1: Friday and a very happy one to you. Brian Thomas
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  Speaker 1: right here. Glad to be. And a phone number you
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  Speaker 1: Got something you want to talk about? Feel free to
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  Speaker 1: chime in. Today, it is Friday meeting Tech Friday with
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  Speaker 1: Dave Hedder coming up at 630. We will be talking
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  Speaker 1: about artificial intelligence CEOs saying, we got to slow this
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  Speaker 1: thing down. Rand Paul, uh, nixed a AI kill switch
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  Speaker 1: bill the other day. Maybe dig into the details on
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  Speaker 1: that a little bit. Not a whole lot to talk
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  Speaker 1: about on that, but slowing down the pace of development
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  Speaker 1: and more and more people chiming in. And this is
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  Speaker 1: something I called on day one, kind of swirling concerns over,
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  Speaker 1: oh my God, we're all going to die announcement from
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  Speaker 1: the various CEOs and these artificial intelligence mega companies. I
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  Speaker 1: pointed out antitrust. It was the first thing that kind
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  Speaker 1: of popped in my head. They want to coordinate. In
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  Speaker 1: the name of protecting us all, they will work together
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  Speaker 1: in coordination, which red, red, red, red flags. They know
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  Speaker 1: it's coming, Sherman antitrust law. So they're trying to get
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  Speaker 1: ahead of that. I think that's the nefarious element looming
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  Speaker 1: in the background. It's not about you and me. It's
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  Speaker 1: not about saving the world. It's not about we're all
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  Speaker 1: going to die. It's about their legal liability. Anyway, we'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about that with Tech Friday's Dave Hatter, followed by
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  Speaker 1: how our digital devices are putting our right to privacy
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  Speaker 1: at risk. There's a great.
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  Speaker 1: The article sum and substance, just the point it makes,
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  Speaker 1: Republicans and Democrats finding strange bedfellows with each other because
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  Speaker 1: everybody hates flock cameras, and I kind of laugh about that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you can make a great argument about flock cameras invading
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  Speaker 1: our rights of privacy and the abuse of the data
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  Speaker 1: that flock has collected, and go ahead. Just one little
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  Speaker 1: tiny slice of our privacy being at risk, and we
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  Speaker 1: embrace privacy. all of these Orwellian devices, and we voluntarily
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  Speaker 1: enter into the surveillance network when we bring them into
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  Speaker 1: our house. Hey, Alexa.
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  Speaker 3: Bing!
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  Speaker 1: And for those of you thinking that those devices just
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  Speaker 1: aren't listening to you all the time, you've got a
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  Speaker 1: bridge I want to sell you. The funny thing about that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that the device is really ignoring the content
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  Speaker 1: of everything you say until the moment in time when
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  Speaker 1: you utter the device's name, at which time it starts
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  Speaker 1: listening and ferreting through what you're trying to get out
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  Speaker 1: of it, like play this particular song? Play Tool Enema. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I choose not to go down that road. I don't
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  Speaker 1: invite that kind of technology into my home. Big Router
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  Speaker 1: is watching you. That's the third topic with Tech Friday's
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  Speaker 1: Dave Adder. Apparently, Wi-Fi could be secretly tracking you even
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  Speaker 1: if you have left your phone at home. Going back to,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead, focus on flock cameras that are outdoors recording
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  Speaker 1: information that pretty much anybody with a cell phone could
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  Speaker 1: record at any given moment in time. No privacy guarantee there.
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  Speaker 1: You got a router in your home? You got Wi-Fi? Right. 705,
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  Speaker 1: Congressman Warren Davidson missed having him on because he was
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  Speaker 1: traveling yesterday. I texted him yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: I'm worried.
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  Speaker 1: I just say, Hey man, we haven't talked in a while. Everything.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Can I, can you, you got time tomorrow? Hell yes.
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  Speaker 1: For Congressman Warren Davidson, we'll make time seven Oh five.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Just record for lining that one up on
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  Speaker 1: the fly yesterday. Got a variety of topics to go
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  Speaker 1: over with Congressman Davidson, which is not surprising given what's
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  Speaker 1: going on, including his vote, maybe to stop the end
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  Speaker 1: or end the Iranian war.
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  Speaker 4: Hmm.
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  Speaker 1: But, uh, We'll be talking about with Congressman Davidson a
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  Speaker 1: whole bunch of different things, including the National Taxpayers Union.
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  Speaker 1: Warren Davidson is, and congratulations, Warren Davidson, the National Taxpayer
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  Speaker 1: Union Taxpayer Defender of the Month. So we'll start off
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  Speaker 1: with that, and we'll continue that topic of conversation at
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  Speaker 1: 8.05 with Brandon Arnold, the Vice President of the National
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  Speaker 1: Taxpayer Union, on the reason they selected Congressman Warren Davidson
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  Speaker 1: to be the Taxpayer Defender of the Month, preceded by...
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  Speaker 1: Vivek Ramaswamy. You got to vote Vivek. Disturbing phone call
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  Speaker 1: yesterday suggesting race is a reason not to vote for him.
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  Speaker 1: That is sick and pathetic. Sick and pathetic. So after
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  Speaker 1: Brandon Arnold on the National Taxpayer Unit 805, we'll hear
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  Speaker 1: from Jack Windsor, which is typical on a Friday 830
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  Speaker 1: with Jack Windsor. We'll get the latest. Amy Acton hiding
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  Speaker 1: in her basement, not taking questions. We got video of that.
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  Speaker 1: You can have a whole lot of video of Amy
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  Speaker 1: Acton dodging questions. Brown versus Husted race and comments on
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  Speaker 1: the continuing saga of State Representative Ismail Mohamed and his
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  Speaker 1: residency status. Fun and games closing out the Friday with
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  Speaker 1: Jack Windsor. Of course, Monday means Christopher Smitherman and Money Monday.
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  Speaker 1: All right. I've been saying, and it's something that the
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  Speaker 1: dots are easy to connect. People are angry about the price.
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  Speaker 1: I understand. We know it's expensive. The inflation is going up.
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  Speaker 1: Everything has gone up. Obviously, the price of gasoline and
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  Speaker 1: diesel has gone up. A whole lot of reasons for that,
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  Speaker 1: like refining abilities, and we don't have enough, especially when
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  Speaker 1: you have supply disruptions like the war. That's something I
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  Speaker 1: mentioned in Napolitano the other day. Listen, when you're considering
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  Speaker 1: the high price of gasoline and you're angry and you
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  Speaker 1: want to blame Donald Trump, and you, of course, can
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  Speaker 1: blame him. One of the reasons we have higher prices
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  Speaker 1: is because of the war. Now, you can argue all
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  Speaker 1: day long it was a necessary war, that we needed
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  Speaker 1: to do this. Fine, go ahead and make that argument.
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  Speaker 1: But the reality is the action of bombing and engaging
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  Speaker 1: the Iranians has obviously led to this. So you want
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  Speaker 1: to be angry at Trump for that, and I understand that.
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  Speaker 1: But if you are voting for a Democrat, you are
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  Speaker 1: an idiot if you think that, what's the point? Why
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  Speaker 1: would you go against pretty much everything you believe in
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  Speaker 1: politically because you're pissed off at Donald Trump because of
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  Speaker 1: the price of gasoline and diesel? What are you going
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  Speaker 1: to get in return? Oh, look right here. California diesel
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  Speaker 1: is $ 8. 35 a gallon. This is something I've been saying.
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  Speaker 1: They're desirous of higher fuel prices. This is the global
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  Speaker 1: warming crap that's been shoved down our throat now for
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  Speaker 1: how many years? I'm sorry. It used to be warming, right? No,
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  Speaker 1: it was global cooling preceded by warming. And then the
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  Speaker 1: ice age was supposed to come in the 70s, and
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  Speaker 1: that didn't happen. And so, right, it's nonsense. I argue.
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  Speaker 1: But the war and its impact on global fuel prices,
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  Speaker 1: you can obviously see that. And I've harped on this
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  Speaker 1: for a while, and now you know what I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to say. As soon as it's over, when it is over,
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  Speaker 1: the price will come back to stability. But not if
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  Speaker 1: you vote for Democrats who want it to be higher.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why California diesel is $ 8. 35 a gallon when
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  Speaker 1: everybody else in the United States is paying $ 6. 40. Still
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  Speaker 1: outrageously priced. Legislation, global warming, climate change, whatever, forcing the
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  Speaker 1: price of gas off. And it's just stupid. But ultimately,
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  Speaker 1: what California does obviously has an impact on the rest
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  Speaker 1: of the United States because a lot of stuff comes
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  Speaker 1: from California. We end up having to pay more for
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  Speaker 1: whatever it is because they're paying $ 8 plus a gallon
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  Speaker 1: out in California. So we got $ 6. 40 nationally. Result of
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  Speaker 1: a global diesel shortage, of course, the war. Acute in California.
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  Speaker 1: Because of politicians. Climate policies and taxes forcing the price
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  Speaker 1: of diesel and, of course, gasoline up through the roof.
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  Speaker 1: The diesel premium in California is $ 1. 95. Every single gallon
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  Speaker 1: you're paying $ 1. 95 more because of climate policies. California's low
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  Speaker 1: carbon fuel standards intended apparently to increase production of diesel
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  Speaker 1: from non-petroleum sources, vegetable oil, animal fats, and, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't heard any studies to know if you're burning
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  Speaker 1: a diesel made from vegetable oil or animal fats, if
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  Speaker 1: that has less of an impact on climate. Does that
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  Speaker 1: mean there's no carbon dioxide associated with burning vegetable oil
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  Speaker 1: and animal fats as opposed to diesel? Of course there is.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you can get rid of the chemical
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  Speaker 1: process that allows carbon dioxide to be released as a
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  Speaker 1: form of, if you want to call it a pollutant,
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe it's a pollutant. It's a naturally occurring
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  Speaker 1: part of the air that we breathe. Anyway, the regulation
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  Speaker 1: requires refiners and importers to reduce the carbon intensity of
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  Speaker 1: their fuels. So maybe vegetable oil produces less, but not zero.
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  Speaker 1: So you must reduce carbon intensity, they say, under the regulation,
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  Speaker 1: typically by using these renewable fuels. Or, here you go,
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  Speaker 1: buy credits from renewable fuel suppliers. That's the most nefarious
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  Speaker 1: element of all this. You can buy your way out.
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  Speaker 1: So when you pay for something, I guess the carbon
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  Speaker 1: dioxide disappears. Or you're going to supplement with this tax
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  Speaker 1: somebody who's making something that produces just less carbon dioxide.
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  Speaker 5: It's a scam.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, that regulation adds, they say, about 29 cents to
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  Speaker 1: the price of Ghana diesel and acts as a subsidy,
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  Speaker 1: of course, for the renewable fuel producers. You're just robbing
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  Speaker 1: from Peter to pay Paul. Anyway. They say the value
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  Speaker 1: of the compliance credits can exceed that of the actual commodity,
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  Speaker 1: the regulatory subsidy. has prompted some California refiners to switch
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  Speaker 1: to producing renewable diesel. And here's what you get when
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  Speaker 1: they do that. Wall Street Journal citing two refinery complexes
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  Speaker 1: in the San Francisco Bay Area previously produced crude at
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  Speaker 1: a capacity of 280,000 barrels per day. What do they do? Well,
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  Speaker 1: the incentive resulted in them, because of this financial incentive,
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  Speaker 1: they converted to making renewable fuels. Now, they're only getting
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  Speaker 1: about 100,000 barrels per day in terms of production capacities.
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  Speaker 1: You've taken 180,000 barrels off the market because they want
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  Speaker 1: to make vegetable oil fuel as opposed to just using crude. Ergo,
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  Speaker 1: California lost refining capacity and became even more dependent on,
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  Speaker 1: are you ready, foreign oil.
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  Speaker 3: Huh.
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  Speaker 1: Are you telling me that California's need and demands for
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  Speaker 1: crude and basically the things made from it, like diesel fuel,
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  Speaker 1: didn't reduce, were not reduced, mean they have to continue
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  Speaker 1: to use diesel of some sort? They need fuel to
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  Speaker 1: move from point A to point B?
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  Speaker 2: No kidding.
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  Speaker 1: No kidding. You've taken away a domestically produced source of
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  Speaker 1: that fuel, and you've now started having to source it
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  Speaker 1: out from foreign entities.
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  Speaker 2: Huh.
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  Speaker 1: I thought we were energy independent here in the United States. California,
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  Speaker 1: in addition to that nonsense, also has a 13% sales
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  Speaker 1: tax on diesel on top of the 24.4% federal excise tax.
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  Speaker 1: In addition, what's more, the state imposes a 48.2 cent
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  Speaker 1: a gallon excise tax. all of which is passed on
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  Speaker 1: to their customers, including those out of the state of
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  Speaker 1: California in the form of higher prices. So go ahead,
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  Speaker 1: vote Democrats, and you get this on a national scale,
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  Speaker 1: not just California, mind you. This is the kind of
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  Speaker 1: crap they will embrace and have been embracing because the
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  Speaker 1: price of gasoline and diesel will necessarily increase in order
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  Speaker 1: for us to achieve our zero-carbon goals.
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  Speaker 5: Yay!
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's right. A volcano just blew up, negating every
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: damn effort we have engaged in since this whole idea
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  Speaker 1: of eradicating carbon dioxide from the planet was a gleam
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  Speaker 3: Lemmy?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, Joe. Lemmy was a drinking man, wasn't he? Just
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: a skosh. He lived in that bar down the street
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: from where he lived. Well, I mean, It was a
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: second home, kind of like Christopher Smith and second home
• 13:11
  Speaker 1: is Jim and Jack's, which will be after listener lunch
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  Speaker 1: next month. First Wednesday of the month, Jim and Jackson,
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: the last event before last listener lunch before the election.
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  Speaker 1: I sure hope to see you there and, of course,
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: get the benefit of Christopher Smith on here on Mondays
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  Speaker 1: on the 55 KRC morning show. And I am joking.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't live there. But the only reason I bring
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: that up on the heels of let me. Since it
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  Speaker 1: is the weekend. New Gallup poll says 54% of Americans
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  Speaker 1: say they drink alcohol.
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  Speaker 3: 54%.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, okay. But that's a decline of 10 points
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  Speaker 1: since January, or since 2023, last time they did this poll.
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  Speaker 1: And Gallup said alcohol consumption is at its lowest level
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  Speaker 1: it has ever been since it started the poll back
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  Speaker 1: in 1939. Alcohol falling out of favor. Local news, Alex
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  Speaker 1: Cruz over at, I believe it was.
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: WXIX, I apologize. Box 19. Talked to UC Health physician Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Michael Bender, who said, you know, a Surgeon General report
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  Speaker 1: came out last year linking alcohol to cancer as the
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  Speaker 1: reason some people are quitting drinking. This is his theory,
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  Speaker 1: at least, why the numbers have really dropped precipitously. Also,
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: there it is, that I word, inflation. And this is
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  Speaker 1: something I certainly have noticed. You go to a bar,
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  Speaker 1: it's like 15, 16 bucks for a cocktail. Since when
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: did a margarita cost $ 16? Anyway, so it's more expensive, and,
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: of course, people are budget-minded, so you've got health and
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  Speaker 1: budget all falling into place here. Gallup found 17% of
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  Speaker 1: Americans say they have substituted non-alcoholic beverages for alcohol, another
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  Speaker 1: phenomenon I've noticed, the mocktails that have crept in. Mocktails. So, anyway,
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  Speaker 1: just a little fun fact for a Friday. That's alliterative,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it? And here's a thought question for you. I
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  Speaker 1: know everyone appalled, outraged, heartbroken over the Charlie Kirk assassination.
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  Speaker 1: And their family, the Charlie Kirk family, sued a whole
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  Speaker 1: host of people in connection with the assassination. Utah, Utah
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  Speaker 1: Valley University, Utah Valley University Police Department, Police Chief Jeffrey Long,
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  Speaker 1: claiming that their failures led to the assassination of Charlie
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  Speaker 1: Kirk and that they were negligent in providing security for
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  Speaker 1: the event where he was killed. And I thought about this.
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  Speaker 1: In the context of the Cincinnati Police Department, for example,
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  Speaker 1: where we're about 200 officers short, overtime is necessary to
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  Speaker 1: serve the bare minimum needs for security in the city
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  Speaker 1: of Cincinnati, generally speaking. Now, go ahead and throw an
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  Speaker 1: Oktoberfest on that. An additional half a million people descending
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  Speaker 1: in a concentrated area in downtown Cincinnati. You're in charge now.
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  Speaker 1: How many police officers do you need? Yeah, you don't know,
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  Speaker 1: do you? And what about the needs of every other
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  Speaker 1: community that is, well, being policed by the Cincinnati Police Department?
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  Speaker 1: There are a whole bunch of neighborhoods in downtown Cincinnati
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  Speaker 1: that haven't gotten a memo on that. So a whole
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  Speaker 1: bunch of people focus on the greater, the central business
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  Speaker 1: district showing up at Oktoberfest. The obvious needs are there
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  Speaker 1: because of the mass amount of people and the uncertainty
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  Speaker 1: in connection with crowds gathering these days. So what about
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  Speaker 1: the other neighborhoods? What if someone got assassinated in another neighborhood?
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  Speaker 1: What if there is another event in a different neighborhood
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  Speaker 1: where someone is speaking? How do you know how many
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  Speaker 1: officers you're going to need? Is that person going to
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  Speaker 1: be the target of an assassination attempt? I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about the folks in Utah if they
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  Speaker 1: had any idea. And what are the obligations of any
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  Speaker 1: person speaking? Let's say Abdul El-Sayed. You know that guy.
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  Speaker 1: Let's say he was speaking there. And it was he
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  Speaker 1: who got assassinated and not a conservative, Charlie Kirk. How
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  Speaker 1: many people do you need? Is he the target? Would
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  Speaker 1: he be a target of assassination? I certainly have no
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  Speaker 1: one who comes to my mind that I'd like to assassinate.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's the right thing to do. But
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  Speaker 1: who is... I guess, is law enforcement supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: able to see into the future and know one way
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  Speaker 1: or another? And do we want to hold law enforcement
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  Speaker 1: accountable for not seeing into the future? And can you
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  Speaker 1: not make the argument? And I'm not saying that the
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  Speaker 1: family's at fault here, but if you know your loved one,
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  Speaker 1: the person you are supporting, the organization that is paying
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  Speaker 1: for Charlie Kirk to fly around all over the place
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  Speaker 1: and provide these wonderful education opportunities and exchanges of ideas,
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  Speaker 1: Should they be more forward-thinking? Man, this guy's controversial. There's
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of left-wing nutcases out there, and a whole
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  Speaker 1: hell of a lot more left-wing nutcases than right-wing ones
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  Speaker 1: these days. Maybe we should do something to bolster his security.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe we need to take it upon ourselves. And step
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  Speaker 1: back from that and ask yourself this question. If you
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  Speaker 1: were going out in public speaking, I'd do it all
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  Speaker 1: the time. Do I have an expectation that the Cincinnati
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  Speaker 1: Police Department is going to provide me with armed guards?
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 1: No, this is why I'm an advocate for concealed carry
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  Speaker 1: and the right to self-defense given to me by my
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  Speaker 1: Second Amendment, or at least protected by my Second Amendment.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I struggle with this because I feel badly for Charlie Kirk.
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  Speaker 1: It sucks that he got assassinated. It is an awful thing.
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  Speaker 1: It's revealing of the violence that the left wing will
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  Speaker 1: unleash on the world. See Stalin and all the other
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  Speaker 1: commies that have gotten into power and purged, they thought
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  Speaker 1: they were trying to anyway, purge their societies of all
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  Speaker 1: the dissenters. What obligation does a police force owe in
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  Speaker 1: this regard? And can we really ever, ever have enough
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement officers in the world to prevent this kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing from happening? I don't really think so. 528,
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  Speaker 1: or pound 550 on AT & T phones. People freaking
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  Speaker 1: out about measles. And we got a measles exposure reported
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  Speaker 1: in Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center after two out-of-state patients
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  Speaker 1: confirmed with measles went to the emergency room while contagious.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently occurred in a shared public areas of the hospital's
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  Speaker 1: emergency department. So were you at Cincinnati Children's Hospital in
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  Speaker 1: the area of the emergency department on September 4th or
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  Speaker 1: early on September 15th, specifically between the hours of 5.40 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: to 7.48 p.m. on September 14th, 11.15 p.m. to 1.15 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: beginning the night of September 14th into September 15th. So Apparently,
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  Speaker 1: that's the exposure period of time where these two out-of-state
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  Speaker 1: individuals with measles were in Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center.
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  Speaker 1: Health officials say there are currently no active measles cases
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  Speaker 1: in Cincinnati. Not just at Cincinnati Children's, the entire city.
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  Speaker 1: They say testing completed Wednesday confirmed that both patients did,
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  Speaker 1: in fact, have measles and were, in fact, contagious when
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  Speaker 1: they were at the hospital. Patients have been exposed to
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  Speaker 1: measles in their home state, as I mentioned previously. Exposure
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  Speaker 1: limited to these public areas, so if you were not
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: in the public areas, I get the impression from the
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: reporting here that, well, you needn't worry about it. So
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  Speaker 1: if you visit an emergency room during the identified exposure
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  Speaker 1: hours and you have not received a call to contact
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  Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Health Department, and I just, I pause on that.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: How would they know who to call? I guess the employees, but...
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Are there video cameras? Are they using facial recognition software, Joe,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: in the hospital emergency room area to see who's in
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: there and who's not at any given time? Anyway, a
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  Speaker 1: health official said, I'll also advise people who have developed
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: symptoms after a potential exposure to please contact their own
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: health care provider before going into a medical facility, I guess,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: and exposing others. Look for high fever, cough, runny nose,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: red watery eyes, and rash, which symptoms typically develop several
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: days after exposure but can take as long as three
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: weeks to show up. We go to Oxford where Oxford
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  Speaker 1: police detained a man Tuesday evening after receiving two separate
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  Speaker 1: calls about a guy walking around University Avenue with a knife.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Videos taken by neighbors show the man walking up and
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  Speaker 1: down the street Tuesday evening with this large knife in
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  Speaker 1: his hand. Lieutenant Adam Price of the Oxford police said
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: they were called to the 200 block of East Seymour
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  Speaker 1: Avenue after the first call came in about 6 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: The caller told police they came into contact with this
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  Speaker 1: person with a knife and felt threatened by the person's actions.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Price said the person ran off. Police could not locate him.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Price said that the man also had growled at the caller.
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  Speaker 1: A little bit later, about an hour, 7 p.m., a
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  Speaker 1: second call came in, University Avenue, regarding a man with
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: long hair, wearing pajamas, carrying what was described as a
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: large kitchen knife. Hey, it's that guy. Price said the
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: man was on one side of the street, said something
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: to a resident, then crossed the street and approached her
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  Speaker 1: and sat down on her porch. Man detained down the
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  Speaker 1: street from the scene. Price said he lives nearby and
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: he was taken to the hospital for treatment because they
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: suspected he was having a mental health crisis. Drugs are bad.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Joe may be on to something. 1 p.m. Monday, Timothy... Wrigley,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: I think I got that right, 20 years old, just
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: been sentenced for assault and failure to comply with the
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: order of a police officer. Well, according to the video
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: that was taken, sheriff's deputy walking him out after sentencing,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Wrigley broke through his handcuffs, punched the deputy in the throat,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: described as bulldozing his way through another deputy while making
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: his escape, heading down the courthouse stairwell and into the
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: arms of another deputy. He made a break for the
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: front door when an officer used a taser on him,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: and that was the point when he was brought down
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: before he got outside, taken back into custody. Meanwhile, first
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: deputy was still on the ground while all this was
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: going on, holding a paper towel to his bloody face,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: and others came to help him out. Both deputies taken
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  Speaker 1: to the hospital, conditions unknown. Injured officers described as recovering
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: at home. 535 right now, 55 KRC Detox Station, life
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• 24:20
  Speaker 1: and every one of you. Don't go wagging. Can you
• 24:22
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  Speaker 1: copy of Bill O'Reilly's book, Confronting America. It's a good read. Plus,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Jeff Scherr, local author. His book, Shots Fired on Redding Road,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: 42-year-old cold case that former detective Scherr, along with another
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: former detective, solved. Never too late to solve a case,
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  Speaker 4: So check it out.
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  Speaker 1: Also, Dave Williams, the Taxpayer Protection Alliance. And later in
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  Speaker 1: Dave Adder has to say. And Warren Davidson, and Vivek Ramaswamy,
• 25:24
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• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Jack Windsor. Full show lineup this morning. God bless you,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Joe Strecker. Three-sentence article here in the Stack is Stupid.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Not a whole lot of details, but I do know.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: that Elmer Dan Harline Jr., who's 64, from the city
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: of Rome, was arrested at a place called Tasty Cakes.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: After reports said he exposed his sexual organs, according to
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: the arrest report, he was viewed on surveillance cameras at
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: the Tasty Cakes, removing all of his clothing, and then
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: defecating in the parking lot. Whoa, that's a lot of feces.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Charged with public indecency and a probation violation. No charges
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: related to the defecation. That's all the information in the article. Wilkes-Barre.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Police responded to several 911 calls and arrested. What day
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: is it? Right. Naked guy in the area of South
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Washington and East Ross Street. Happened Tuesday of this week.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Officers dispatched the scene after the call came in, claiming
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: a naked guy was walking around on South Washington Street. Passed,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: of course, St. Nicholas Elementary School. Fortunately, it was after
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: school hours, 6.30 p.m. That's when officers encountered Theodore Macajack.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Close enough. 45 years old. He was completely naked when
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: police found him. He told officers, are you ready to, quote,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: call Donald Trump at the White House? Why are you
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: doing that? And then identify himself using a different name
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: than his actual name. Police records say this guy struggled
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: when being placed in a prisoner transport van. he was
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: arraigned by the judge on charges of indecent exposure, open looseness,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: and disorderly conduct. Drugs are bad. Oklahoma City got a
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: guy taken into custody there after an armed disturbance and
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: pursuit involving damaged police vehicles. Officers initially dispatched to a
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: residence after receiving a report that an armed individual was
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: making threats against his relatives. That guy, Johnny Kemp Johnny
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Kemp subsequently fled the scene in a pickup truck. And
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: while attempting to escape in that truck, Kemp hit multiple
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: police vehicles. He kept on driving, hitting additional vehicles before
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: ultimately colliding with a shipping container located on the premises.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: He was apprehended. And at the time of his apprehension,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: he was entirely naked. Currently held in a wide array
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: of criminal counts. That's all you get for the reporting
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: on this one. A wide array. Oh, wow. Could result
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: in someone getting shot. We go to McGregor, Texas, where
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: a 28-year-old man now facing multiple felony charges after the
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: father of a boy and a girl found him naked
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  Speaker 1: in the kid's bedroom. David Refugio. Joe, what would your
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: reaction be? Right? I know what mine would be. Listen,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: we have a castle doctrine. There's some naked guy in
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: my young kid's room? Anyhow, David Refugio Lopez, lucky to
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: still be alive, booked into the McLennan County Jail. This
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: is Texas, remember? This after McGregor police were called to
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: the home on Garfield Avenue. Police found him naked, locked
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  Speaker 1: in a closet. The girls blocked into a closet. He'd
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: been allowed to get dressed before the officers showed up.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I guess dad let him put his clothes on. Father
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: said he and his wife woke up saying someone was
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: in their daughter's room. His wife told him. Rest affidavit
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: said that when the father went into the room, he
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: found the naked guy in a closet and that his
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: daughter and son were also in the room and creepily gross,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: also naked. Affidavits say the police were told that the
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: daughter had let the man into the house without the parents'
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: approval and that she stated repeatedly there had been no
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: sexual contact. Thank God. Police said the man refused to
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: provide any full identity information, was originally listed as being
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: 19 years old. He's 28. Jail records indicate that he
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: remained there the next day with charges including two counts
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: of indecency with a child, exposed, purgatory of a habitation
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: with failure to identify. Jail records indicate that an immigration
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: detainer had been added later in the day. Add another
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: one to the list of illegal immigrants committing horrific crimes
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: or maybe have committed horrific crimes. Maybe he just didn't
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: have the opportunity to close the deal. Either way, I
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: don't know what your reaction would have been, but there's
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: a total stranger in the middle of the night locked
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: in a kid's bedroom with the kids naked. I know
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: which direction I'm leaning right now. Anyway, 545, 55 KRC
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  Speaker 2: Or phone station.
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  Speaker 1: 550, the 55 KRC Talk Station. Oh, look who it is.
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  Speaker 3: 513-749-5500.
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  Speaker 1: 800-823-TALK. Feel free to get behind him, but he's first
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  Speaker 1: in line. He is my submariner friend, Cribbage Mike. Good
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: to have you back on, Mike. Happy Friday to you.
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: Happy Friday, Brian. And right at the top, I want
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: to thank you and Joe for promoting last night's wonderful
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: Navy Week event out at the USS Cincinnati Memorial. The
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: turnout was unbelievable.
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: Good!
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: Especially to you because you had some dedicated listeners. If
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: you remember Colonel Randall Fannin that was in studio with
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: me promoting the BFW Memorial team.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Of course I do.
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  Speaker 5: He was there with his wife and a lovely couple,
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: and I told him I was going to mention them,
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: Pam and Jerry from Landon, and hopefully there are going
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: to be some upcoming listener lunch attendees.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's great.
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: You know, because they said they've always heard about it
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: because she's a daily listener. And she said, I can
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: finally put a face with Cribbage Mike again.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Well, at least unlike me, you don't have a face
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: for radio. Unlike me. Well, that's fantastic. Good morning to
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: those folks. And thank you for listening to the program.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: That's great.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: We had two parachutists, one coming and carrying the Navy
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: flag and one with the American flag. The Navy band
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: ensemble was entertaining for almost an hour, and the drill
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: team from the Great Lakes Recruit Training Center was there.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: And if anybody wants to check them out, they're going
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: to be down at Oktoberfest all weekend long. There's going
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: to be a booth, but I can't thank you, Brian,
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: once again, and you and Joe for putting it on
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: the website because I know they had a lot to
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: do with getting people out there.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Oh man, it's, you know, Joe Strecker is the one
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: that is responsible for keeping the website updated and God
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: bless him. And thank you, Joe Strecker for doing that
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: every day. But, you know, it's the least we can
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: do here in the morning show. I mean, what a
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: great opportunity. I encourage everybody to get out the voice
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: of America park to checks out the USS Cincinnati submarine memorial.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: And it's just the neatest thing. And. Of course, someday, Mike,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: you and I are going to meet out there and
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: you're going to give me.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: A personal tour of that.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: We'll hook up a date.
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: And the turnout has been so overwhelming because we initially,
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: especially with our first year, we're just going to be
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: there for the holidays. But the turnout has been so overwhelming.
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: So if anybody wants to come out and would like
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: a tour from a submarine veteran to explain a lot
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: of the placards that are there. Every Saturday and Sunday,
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: all the way through November, every Saturday and Sunday from
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: 1 to 6, an actual submarine veteran will be there,
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: very recognizable in our red shirts, red hats, red vests.
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  Speaker 5: So pull us aside because we'd love to share. If
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: we're going to give you a good two or 45
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: minutes to an hour and you'll come away, I think,
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: for a greater appreciation than what our men and women
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: are doing underneath the seas.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Cold War era submarine and, of course, going
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: to Voice of America Broadcast Museum and see what it
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: was like during the Cold War when they were operating
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: out of Voice of America and broadcasting the radio signals
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: into the Russian territories and everything. That is the just wildest,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: wildest place out there. Just walking back in time, it's
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: like it hasn't even changed. It's really neat.
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: It couldn't have been a better location because about 15
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: years ago, we were going to be down on the river,
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: but we would not have near the expansive area that
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: we have now, the parking. And as you mentioned, we
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: highlight that right at the beginning of the tour, the
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: synergy between Voice of America and USS Cincinnati and what
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: our submarine force and all our military did to defeat
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: the Cold War. It's a perfect synergy.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: It is, and that community is filled with American patriots, too.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Thanks again, Brian. You're welcome, Mike. I appreciate you and
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: what you do, and everybody who was involved in that.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: And it is a better location. I'm glad he brought
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: up the free parking. Can you imagine having to pay
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: like $ 27 to see the USS Cincinnati Memorial if it
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: was downtown Cincinnati? Anyway, back to the stack of stupid.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Got a woman allegedly high on drugs. There's the answer, Joe,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: right out of the gate. He was walking into the Watertown,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: New York business naked. Police charged Cherry Teal, she's 32
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: years old, with harassment, exposure, resisting arrest, and appearing in
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: public under the influence of drug. Walked into the smoke
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: shop on Factory Street naked about 1.30 in the morning
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: on August 10th. Court documents say she was also on
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: a public sidewalk causing numerous people to call the police.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Of course, because she's naked. Police got there. She allegedly
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: kicked one of the officers in the leg and stomach
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: multiple times, also accused of striking a second police officer
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: while slamming her body into him. After being restrained, she
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: spit in the face of an ambulance worker who was
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: just simply trying to help her. They say police have
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: dealt with this woman before. Police officer said Teal's boyfriend
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: told her that she was high on Oli. O-L-L-Y. Officer
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: said Ollie is the nickname for a synthetic drug with
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: similar effects to MDMA and causes hallucinations and erratic behavior.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Drugs are bad. Taking to Samaritan Medical Center. Police arrested
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: her about 2.30 in the morning on Wednesday.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: The aristocrats.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know illegal drugs don't come with a warning label.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: But Maybe I'm just being too logical and reasonable, but
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: this is the way I've operated throughout my life. If
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: someone's going to hand you something, and you're going to
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: get high, man, but it also comes with losing your mind, death,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: doing things that you have no control over, losing your
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: sense of perspective and understanding about what's real and unreal,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: anything like that, how about no? 555, 55 cares to
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: the talk station. Oh, by the way, it makes you
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: take your clothes off, too, for some reason. Don't go away.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Six o'clock hour includes, of course, Tech Friday's. Dave had
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: lots of great stuff to talk about with Dave at 630.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Opportunity to call here between now and then. I'll be
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: right back after the news.
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: Did you hear about it? Did you hear that story?
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Talk about it. It's 606-55-KRC, the talk station. Brian Thomas
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: right here. Joe Strecker, executive producer in there. Phone number
• 36:11
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• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Coming up, it's Friday, 630 every week with Tech Friday's
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Dave Hatter. We'll be talking about artificial intelligence CEOs saying
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: we need to stop the pace of this development. We're
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: all going to die. That'll be one topic. Followed by
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: how our own digital devices are putting our right to
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: privacy at risk. Oh, I guess people got the memo.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Continuing the theme on Tech Friday with Dave Hatter. Big
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: router is watching you. Apparently Wi-Fi can track you even
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: if you leave your phone at home.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Good.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Congressman Warren Davidson at 7.05. Fast forward an hour. We've
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: got a whole bunch of things to go over with
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Congressman Davidson. A whole bunch of things. Vivek Ramasamy, he's
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: running for governor here in the state of Ohio. He'll
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: be on the program at 7.30. And Brandon Arnold, which
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: is timed great because Brandon Arnold happens to be the
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: vice president of the National Taxpayer Union. Congratulations to Congressman
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Warren Davidson because they named him the Taxpayer Defender of
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: the Month. So we'll get a word or two from
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Congressman Davidson, probably in appreciation for being awarded the Taxpayer
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Defender of the Month. And then Brandon Arnold can explain
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: all about what goes into the selection process. 805 with that.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: And then Jack Windsor from TheOhioPressNetwork.com. Amy Acton's hiding. We
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: have the latest video of her refusing to take questions.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Jack's all over that. Brown versus Husted. Huge race. John
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Hughes said, I think last time I saw a poll
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: behind a couple of points in the polls, and I'm
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: just scratching my head over that. Going back to the
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: point I started the program out with, if you want
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: to pay $ 8. 95 or something for diesel fuel like they're
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: paying in California, go ahead, be angry with Trump because
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: it's $ 6. 50 here, recognizing that if you vote for the Democrats,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: it'll be $ 8. 50 here because they will institute their global
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: warming policies here and across this country, forcing the price up.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Have I made that point enough? And that just seems
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: so reasonable to come to, to come to the conclusion
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: that's going to happen. I mean, we've been dealing with
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: this for years and years. So I go back to
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: my conversation with the Paul town. He just kind of
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: stopped and said, I don't think people will put the dot.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: We'll connect the dots on that. I don't think people
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: going into vote can put past them the anger they
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: have over just having paid four and a half bucks
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: a gallon for gasoline. You go into the, in the poll, ah,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: orange man. Okay. And then vote for the communists. That
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: makes sense, doesn't it? No, it doesn't. Anyway. Jack Windsor
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: on that. And then finally, continuing saga of State Representative
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Ismail Mohamed and his residency status. I'm looking forward to
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: hearing what Jack has to say about that. Excuse me.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Using the cough button. Good morning, Andrew Pappas, who brought
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: this to my attention yesterday. Act Blue. It's this massive...
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Democrat fundraising machine, major political fundraising organization for left-wing candidates
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: and causes. Now, they're having a congressional hearing on this,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: and they brought some ActBlue folks and principals in, including
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: previously they brought in ActBlue's CEO. This happened in June,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: second week of June, where ActBlue's CEO, Regina Wallace-Jones, would
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: not answer any questions, including not even answering what her
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: name was, yes or no. she asserted her Fifth Amendment
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: right to be free from self-incrimination. Well, why would you
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: do that? Well, here's some details behind it. In fact,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Attorney General Ken Paxton in Texas has already sued ActBlue.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: This happened back in April of this year, which, of course,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: led to her testimony. Now, ActBlue is saying, oh, no,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Congress can't investigate crimes, which is an outright lie. And that's,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: in fact, what the CEO said when she asserted her
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Fifth Amendment right to be free of self-incrimination in an explanation.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I'm allowed to do that, and the reason I'm doing
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: that is because this is a politically motivated act by, well,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: the congressional panel. They're only doing it to go after me.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: It's targeted. It's political retribution. She said asserting her Fifth
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Amendment right is the only reasonable response to a proceeding
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: that from the beginning has been about harassing political opponent
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: fundraising platform. It's not genuine oversight. She also claimed that
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Congress has no constitutional authority to even look into this. Well,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: that's not true. So we got Ken Paxton's lawsuit against
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: the group for, and you'll get some of the details here.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: I'll just give you a minute of some of the
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: things that they were doing. Bottom line is it appears
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: as though they were overlooking some really concerning and troubling
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: donations from foreign individuals, which is illegal. Foreign powers and
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: folks cannot contribute to political campaigns here. But they were
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: facilitating that according to the allegations, and this is what
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: the reason for the congressional investigation is. Now, there can
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: be a criminal investigation by the Department of Justice. They
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: can start that on their own. If they have probable
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: cause to believe a crime has been committed, that's what
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: the Department of Justice does. Congress, in doing an investigation
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: related to its congressional role, can refer matters to the
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Department of Justice to the extent they encounter criminal activity.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: They can't prosecute, but they can refer. And then sometimes
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: there is a criminal investigation going on over at the
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Department of Justice or by, again, Ken Paxson, Attorney General.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: He's got a criminal investigation. He's filed a lawsuit against
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: this organization. Congress can engage in oversight parallel to a
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: criminal investigation, and to the extent they uncover any evidence
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: of crimes or information relating to the separate criminal investigation,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: they can send that evidence over and let the prosecutors
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: deal with it. So this is all on the up
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: and up. But they asserted their Fifth Amendment rights. The
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: principles that have been hauled in, the CEO previously in June,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Their allegation is that this is all politically motivated, that
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: there is nothing to see here.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Huh.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Well, and whatever reason I'm thinking of Amy Acton hiding,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: if you've got a point to make, if you believe
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: this is all politically motivated, if you can explain away
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: what has been revealed so far in the investigation, what
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Paxton has shown and what the Republicans and, well, I
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: guess what the evidence is reflecting and the reason for
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: the congressional oversight, Why wouldn't you do it? I mean,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: the CEO is kind of acknowledging, well, if in fact
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: what she is saying is true, the Fifth Amendment has
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: no connection with this. She's just saying out loud, I'm
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: only asserting the Fifth Amendment because I don't want to
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: engage in this process. She's trying to suggest she's not
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: or has not engaged in criminal activity or something that
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: might suggest she has and therefore would be prosecuted based
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: upon her own testimony. No, she's just saying this is
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: all motivated by politics and that there is nothing wrong
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: with what they do. That's the point, isn't it? If
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with what you have done and all
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: these illustrations that have been popping up about them massaging
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: the rules and relaxing protocols and standards to make sure
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: that foreign donors can contribute to political campaigns here in
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: the United States of America... then why don't you show
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: it and say it? So the Republicans have accused ActBlue
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: of weakening the safeguards that they actually had in place,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: the fraud safeguards, also accepting suspicious contributions, as well as
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: misleading Congress on how it screens donations. There are laws
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: on the book. This is one of Congress's role, keep
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: foreign money out of our elections. This is being led by...
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Brian Steele, who's a Republican from Wisconsin, along with, yes,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Jim Jordan here from Ohio, and James Comer, Oversight Committee Chairman.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: The latest report alleges ActBlue repeatedly relaxed its fraud prevention standards,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: even as internal reviews warned that the changes could allow
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: for more fraudulent donations to come through. The report states,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: citing ActBlue's Staff report they've got information from within the organization,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: which serves as the basis and predicate for these allegations
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: that have been levied against ActBlue. The committee oversight has
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: found that ActBlue, in its own words, decided to take
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: a more lenient approach to fraud prevention in 2024, weakening
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: its fraud prevention policies at least twice, even though internal
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: ActBlue internal assessments showed that the changes would result in
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: a measurable increase in fraudulent contributions. Huh, how do we
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: get more money in? Relax the fraud standards. Just don't
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: look for it, and it won't be brought to your attention.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: According to the report, similarly, internal trainings directed ActBlue's fraud
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: prevention team to, quote, look for reasons to accept contributions
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: rather than to examine them closely for indicators of fraud,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: as required by the federal regulations. They say ActBlue took
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: this lax approach to fraud prevention, even though it had
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: detected at least 22 significant fraud campaigns on the platform
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: in recent years, including several from foreign sources. Look, there
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: it is. Well, it doesn't happen that much. Just a
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: little bit of foreign money came in. Well, that's because
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: you just didn't pay attention to look for it. Committee
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: now accusing ActBlue of potentially accepting illegal foreign political contributions
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: and attempting a subsequent cover-up when congressional investigators started digging
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: into the platform's practices. Major porn dispute involves the way
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: ActBlue verifies donations from people using addresses outside of the
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: United States. ActBlue CEO Regina Wallace-Jones previously told Congress that
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: those donors were required to provide a passport number. Are
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: you ready for this? change in ActBlue policies regarding passport numbers? Apparently,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: the ActBlue check system merely looked into whether the number
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: contained the required number of characters. Didn't verify whether it
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: was an authentic U.S. passport number. So apparently, let's just
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: say there's 15 characters in a passport number. All they
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: did was count what the passport number characters are, number,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: not the characters themselves to determine whether it was a passport. number.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Valid one. It's got the right nine in numbers. It
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: may be okay. Well, clearly it could have been a
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: fraudulent one or one that was stolen. Anyway, report also
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: includes internal communications that Republicans say show staff approving donations
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: despite potentially suspicious signals. Again, relaxed standards allow you to
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: overlook this kind of stuff. One memo praised transaction as quote,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: great except while noting, quote, donors sometimes has an IP
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: address in Hong Kong, but none of their other signals
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: raise eyebrows. So, wow, giant red flag. This donor has
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: a Hong Kong address on this one? Well, but the
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: other ones didn't show a Hong Kong address. Well, I
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: guess they just dropped the ball and said the silent
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: part out loud on this most recent donation. You think
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: we should look into it? No, they didn't. There are
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: multiple allegations along these lines. So you've got all the documents,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: internal memorandum with quotes, Regarding the lax standards, and then
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: you call them in to talk to them about, and
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: they all take the fifth. No, nothing to see here.
• 47:42
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• 47:50
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• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Always enjoy hearing from Dave. I hope you do, too.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: And I hope you heed his words.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: David?
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Different David. Bipartisanship on full display is a 417 to
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: 3 in a vote to require artificial intelligence centers to, well,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: ensure that they can cover their own energy costs. It's
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: a Republican-inspired measure, but obviously he enjoyed almost complete support.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Apparently he's going to impose new requirements that AI and
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: other data centers make deals with local providers to cover,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: in the words of the legislation, the full incremental cost
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: of any generation, transmission, or distribution upgrade necessary to serve
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: their energy needs. And what do we got with AI?
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: You got the wealthiest companies that generate the most revenue
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: and now require the most energy. They're obviously huge users
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: of energy to make this technology work. I don't know, percentage-wise, nationally,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: I think it's like 4%. But if there was any
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: other industry that used a lot of electricity, and a
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: lot of them do, have they ever been called upon
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: to provide their own? own energy in advance? I'm just
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: scratching my head. I know we're all worried about this.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Ahead of the vote, it said it was unclear whether
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: legislation could win the backing of progressive lawmakers. Apparently, they
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: came on board because everybody's freaked out about AI.
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: Ah.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Estimates indicate currently data centers– yeah, I was right about that.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: I did read it here. Data centers use about 4%
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: of the U.S. electric grid, and it's supposed to increase dramatically. Now,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: the parallel that's drawn here, drawing roughly 176 terawatts of
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: electricity per year, the energy used to power these facilities
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: could otherwise be used to power 16 million homes. That's
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: according to this entity called Electric Choice. I We don't
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: live in a static world. You know, the energy demands
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: that people place on the grid increase literally every single year.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: One of the big impediments to going all electric in
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: this country is because the power companies have not maintained
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: or kept up with the electric grid, replacing old, depleted
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: stuff that causes fires out in California or otherwise more
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: transmission lines to reach other areas, more power generation, which
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: seems to be the source of the problem. In this
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: particular case, we've hobbled ourselves. You know, windmills can't power
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: artificial intelligence plants. but neither can they power all of
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: us and the otherwise 16 million homes that would be
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: powered if the AI wasn't there. The demand is ever increasing.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Our officials and the power company officials and the quasi-state
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: private entities that usually are power companies owe it to
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: us to think forward and allow us to continue to
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: access the grid so people like AI can come in
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: and pay the same damn freight we all are. It's
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: the abundance in amount of electricity generated. Therein lies the
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: major challenge. And if they'd have stayed up on it,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: there wouldn't be this massive spike when AI comes along
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: and sticks a plug in the wall to power its facilities.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: And the one thing I can see here in the
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: midst of all this is at least the benefit will
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: inure to us. Because these companies are multi-trillion dollar companies
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: or whatever kind of profit that they generate, they can
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: afford to do it. If you're going to ask them
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: to pay for what they do to not tax the grid,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: then they're going to say, well, can I put a
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: small modular reactor here? And everybody's going to go, hell yeah,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: because if you do it, we'll get it. And they're
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: powerful enough to have the regulatory skids greased, which should
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: be greased anyway or never should have been an impediment
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: for you and I enjoying cheap electricity. They'll get it done.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Much in the same way, by all collectively freaking out
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: in chorus, in unison, the major AI folks can all
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: tell us we're all going to die so that they
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: get special treatment under the antitrust laws. Yeah, it's amazing
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: what big, powerful companies can do. 626, 55KRC, the talk station. Here,
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back, my friend. Love having you on the program
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: on a Friday.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: Brian, always my pleasure to be here and look forward
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: to our conversation this morning and every Friday.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do too. It's very informative and I implore
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: my listeners to heed your advice. especially when it comes
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: to the Internet of Things devices. We'll get to that.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Apparently we've got a real hot one on our hands
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: with Wi-Fi. But moving beside that, I guess we're all
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: going to die, and therefore we need to free the
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: artificial intelligence companies of any obligations under the law for
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: liability and, I guess, more likely for antitrust. They want
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: to collude together in the name of keeping us from dying, Dave.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Any suspicions about this? Any concerns? Any raised eyebrows? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: If you recall, Brian, ever since AI has been on
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: the front page of really in the last four years
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: or so. And I just remind folks, the whole idea
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: of AI is not new. It's been around for a
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: long time. Now, obviously, it's advanced a lot and much
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: more capable now than it was four years ago or
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: prior to that. But, you know, since then, we've had
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: all kinds of apocalyptic warnings. And, you know, there's all
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: kinds of theories. Now, I want to be clear. I'm
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: not saying there's absolutely nothing to what these folks are saying. OK,
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that, but I'm also not saying I
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: think we're all going to be dead by 2030. Like
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: they're these guys are or at least insinuating could happen.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: It is interesting that this is not the first time
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: someone has said we should slow this down. And then
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: it's also not the first time that they've come out
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: with these rather apocalyptic warnings. So, you know, all these
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: guys are trying to IPO. There's definitely a race there.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: And I think you have to take into context the
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: idea that other countries like China are also building this stuff. And,
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: you know, I think it is a legitimate concern. Yeah.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: Dave, I must note that they are not subject to
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: the Sherman Antitrust Act or America's tort laws.
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: That's an excellent point, Brian. And also, they typically don't
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: operate the same way we do in the US. And
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: that's kind of where I'm going. If they're not going
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: to have any sort of restraints on what they're doing,
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: and they potentially, you know, like in the nuclear arms race,
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: you know, again, idea of mutually assured destruction, you know,
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: arms gap and all this sort of thing. I understand
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: the arguments for and against all that. But I think,
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: We're in a place now where you don't want an
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: adversarial nation to get too far ahead on this. It's
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: a tricky problem. There's a lot of hype. There's a
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: lot of hyperbole out there. It's hard to know what
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: to believe or who to believe. But I will say this.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: When you look at some of the legitimate stories that
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: have been out there in the news about things like
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: the Hugging Face attack and some of the cases where
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: agents have gone rogue. An agent is essentially– I'm trying
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: to explain this in the most basic terms. An agent
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: is essentially software that uses AI that can make decisions
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: and do things on its own, right? It can act
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: like a human being to some extent. And I would
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: remind folks that these things still have a problem with hallucination,
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: although it's gotten better. Hallucination is the idea that it
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: will make something up, right? So do you want a
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: process that can act on its own? So for example,
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: you could create an agent and say, okay, here's my
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: credit card number. search for the best price on this thing.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: And if it drops below a certain price, buy it. Okay.
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: I can tell you, I'm not going to do something
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: like that because unless the way these things work, they're probabilistic,
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: not deterministic, right? You can go in right now. Anyone
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: can try this, open up any one of these tools,
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: ask a question. You will not get the same answer
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: every time.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: So, and you might not get the same answer asking
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: the same format, the same question multiple times.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: But, That's exactly right. It's so weird. And it might
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: literally just make something up. So depending on your tolerance
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: for risk and what you're asking this to do, especially
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: if there's no human oversight of it, it can do
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: things that you would rather it not do. Partially like
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: some of these stories where these things have gone rogue
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: and this agent works with that agent. I mean, there's
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: some wild stuff out there. It is somewhat concerning to me.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: I don't think we're going to suddenly have Terminators fall
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: out of the sky. But some of the things they're saying,
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: I think there is a legitimate concern. How much? Is
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: it 50%? Is it 80%? I don't know, because there's
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: plenty of other people that know a lot about this
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: who are saying this is more of a hype cycle.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: They're saying these things because it helps them build a
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: moat around their businesses. So I don't know what to think, Brian.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: I think the hurry up, we've got to do something
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: to save us from ourself is a mode of going
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: back to the IPO. If you have this emergency crisis, oh,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: my God, it's an existential threat to humanity. Hurry up
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: and free us from liability. Dave, if that actually happened,
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: question almost rhetorical, if not absolutely rhetorical, would the price
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: of the IPO share be more More if they had
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: all that protection from antitrust liability and tort liability, or
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: would the shares be worth less? I think it'd be
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: a lot more. 53636, don't go away. We're going to
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: talk about how digital devices are putting our right to
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: privacy at risk. I guess we voluntarily enter into that,
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: don't we? First, though, I want to mention 4NIC. 641-55KRC,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: VTALK station, Friday. Tech Friday, Dave Hatter, intrustit.com. That's who
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: you need to get in touch with for your business
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: computer needs. Hey, our right to privacy is at risk, Dave.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: You never talk about stuff like this.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: Never, Brian, never. In all the years we've been doing this,
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: I never talk about it.
• 58:20
  Speaker 6: Never.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: You've never mentioned the Internet of Things devices. You need
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: to explain that someday because it's something that never comes
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: across your field of vision.
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: No, never. So Internet of Things, a.k.a. smart devices, things
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: like your ring doorbell, your Nest thermostat, your refrigerator, your TVs.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: Your vacuum?
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: Yes, your vacuum. I don't know if you've seen the
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: story about the LG TVs. If not, we should talk
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: about that one specifically next week because it really puts
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: a super fine point on.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: … Is that like part of the LGBTQ agenda at
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: the end of the day?
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: No.
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: No, in this case, it's LG TVs that are doing
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: some insane data collection behind the scenes. And here's the thing, Brian.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: I know people will tell me all the time, hey, look,
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: I don't have anything to hide. I don't care whether
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: it's flock cameras or fill in the blank, right? Flock camera.
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: That would be another example of an Internet of Things. device.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: You know, in the simplest of terms, if it has
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: software in it and it connects to the Internet, well,
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: that's an Internet of Things device. And increasingly, that's everything now, right?
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: It's hard to even find a dumb device because everything
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: has software in it. Much of that comes from China.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: It's often found to have security problems on top of
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: the privacy problems, in some cases backdoors built into it.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: In the most layman of terms, a backdoor is either
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: an intentional or maybe unintentional flaw in the software that
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: would allow someone to take remote control of something.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Well, quickly, can I just interject a very quick question?
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: I don't need to labor on it, but I just
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: want to know. Isn't that one area where artificial intelligence
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: can be a wonderful benefit to humanity by finding backdoor
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: access and by being able to just analyze the program
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: and find out where the weaknesses are?
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: That is, yes. But that cuts both ways. I don't
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: know if you caught the headline.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: Microsoft has this Patch Tuesday thing. Once a month on
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: a Tuesday, they put out updates for their software to
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: fix vulnerabilities, holes, backdoors, whatever, right? And in this last
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: patch Tuesday, they patched almost a thousand problems. And that's
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: because they're using AI to analyze all of this code
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: and try to find these problems. So, yeah, that is
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: one upside. But the flip side of that, Brian, is,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: of course, bad guys, including low skilled bad guys who
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: would not know anything about this stuff, can use these
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: same tools to find these flaws. And, you know, there's
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: been lots of recent news, again, without going too far
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: down this rabbit hole. And it's important for small businesses
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: to understand who have this same mentality of, well, I'm
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: too small. I don't have anything we're stealing. You know,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: I'm not P & G. I'm not CentOS. I'm not Kroger. Well,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: your money is worth stealing. And thanks to these AI tools,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: whether it's deep fakes or it's hackers using these tools
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: to attack your environment to find these flaws, the frequency
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: of attacks is increasing. The sophistication of attacks is increasing,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: not because the people behind them are more sophisticated, but
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: because they're using these tools. But back to our IoT devices.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I hate this stuff. I have essentially none
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: of this stuff in my house. And when people tell
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: me why I have nothing to hide, I encourage everyone
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: to go out and look into this LG TV thing.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: You know, if a device is connected to the Internet
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: and especially if it has a microphone and camera in it,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: it can be used to surveil you. If you have
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: an LG TV or any of these TVs, for example. in,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: let's say, a boardroom where you're having sensitive conversations about
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: trade secrets or lawsuits or whatever, it's entirely possible that
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: these devices are listening to you, collecting data, and it's
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: being shipped off to some third party somewhere. And the
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: more of these things you have, and this particular article
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: we started out with, there's a book out there from
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: a law professor named Andrew Guthrie Ferguson, who wrote wrote
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: a book called Your Data Will Be Used Against You.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: And it talks about this and why you should care
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: about these things. And there are folks out there like
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: Mikko Haponin. I've brought him up on the show before.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: I'm a big fan. He wrote a book called If
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: It's Smart, It's Vulnerable. If it has software in it,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: it is vulnerable. I don't care what it is. It's
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: not possible to write software that is completely invulnerable. And
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: we're seeing that more and more and all the attacks
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: on critical infrastructure and so forth. So my point, Brian,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: is the less of these things you have, I get
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: they're cool, I get the convenience, but they are increasingly
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: putting you, your family, your business at risk. You should
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: be divesting yourself of this stuff.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Indeed, and for those who think they don't have anything
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: to hide, just wait until we elect a bunch of communists,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: and then they start engaging in the purge, where they'll
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: look for people who have political dissent, who are not
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: ideologically wed to the party in power, and then you're
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: sent off to the gulag. That has happened in history,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: has it not, Dave Hatter?
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: I believe it has.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: It's just one moment away from them coming after you
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: because of something that you said or did when it
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: was normal and rational and logical to maybe say what
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: you said or did. Futures, well, can learn a lot
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: by studying the mistakes of the past. 646 right now.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: We will talk about a really freaky thing, your Wi-Fi.
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  Speaker 2: Talk station.
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  Speaker 1: 651-55-KRC-D. Talk station. Interest IT. where you find Dave Adder
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: and his crew to help you with business needs. And,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: of course, LinkedIn.com is where you find Dave and the
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: resources he relies upon throughout the week. And, of course,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: here on the 55KRC Morning Show on a Friday. This
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: one is weird. Everybody's freaked out about flaw cameras. I
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: know you're not a fan, Dave, in the interest of
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: privacy protection and maybe people that are using it for
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: nefarious purposes like tracking, stalking girlfriends or whatever. But that's
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: nothing compared to what I'm reading here. Wi-Fi, I think,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: is pretty much everywhere, Dave.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: Wi-Fi pretty much is everywhere now, Brian. And maybe you
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: recall that we have talked about this particular thing before,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: but as the technology progresses, of course, like so many
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: of these things, it gets better in helpful ways and
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: it gets better in potentially unhelpful ways like this. So
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: this is a story from the New York Post. Big
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: routers watching you. Wi-Fi could secretly track you even if
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  Speaker 3: you leave your phone at home. So I think anyone
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: who's ever watched a crime show realizes that your phone
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: is a source of tracking, right? And that's not necessarily nefarious.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: It's just the way the cellular network has to work, right?
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: It has to know where your phone is in order
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: to be able to connect to it, to send you
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: a phone call or receive a text message, email, whatever, right?
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: And I'm constantly surprised. If you watch a show like Dateline,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: it seems like people... generally criminals anyway, don't seem to
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: get that like, hey, if I'm going to go out
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: and get murdery, it's a good idea not to take
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: my phone with me because it's going to tell the
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: police where I was, that I was in the vicinity
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: of the crime. But what this story is pointing out
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: is that, you know, even if you don't have some
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: sort of device like that on you, and to your point, Brian,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: Wi-Fi is pretty much, certainly at least in urban areas,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: everywhere now. Yeah. There's the capability through the radio signals
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: that the Wi-Fi is sending out to make it possible
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: to connect to the Internet over Wi-Fi to essentially in
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: sort of like a radar-ish type of way, if you will.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: I think most people at least generally understand the idea
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: of radar. You send out a radio signal, it bounces
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: off something. You could tell how far away it is,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: how fast it's going, what it is generally, especially as
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: the technology has improved over time. And that's essentially what
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: researchers are pointing out here. So, I mean, I'll just
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: read a couple of lines from the article. The finding
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: raises the unsettling possibility that millions of Wi-Fi routers surrounding
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: us could become a vast, invisible surveillance network, potentially allowing corporations, governments,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: and others to identify people without their knowledge. And then
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: it goes on to say, connected devices routinely send back
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: to routers to optimize wireless communications. These are signals known
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: as beamforming feedback information and are transmitted without encryption, researchers found.
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  Speaker 3: So basically, you know, this in the most basic terms,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: this is just bouncing off of you. And it goes
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: on to say further in here, you know, that this
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: can essentially create. So quoting from the article, this technology
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: turns every router into a potential means of surveillance. Warren
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: co-researcher Julian Tote, if you regularly pass by a cafe
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  Speaker 3: that operates a Wi-Fi network, you could be identified there
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: without noticing it and be recognized later.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: So they study things like, I mean, AI, your gate.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: your height, your weight, it immediately computes this and calculates it.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: And only so many people have the exact gate that
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: you have, so they can narrow it down just by
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  Speaker 1: process or by, just by analyzing that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 6: Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: And there's, you know, this, this goes even further. They're
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  Speaker 3: saying that basically, you know, this will almost create a
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: picture of you, you know, quite not the same, like
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: a camera would per se. Um, but yeah, it's, uh,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: It's interesting how, as this stuff advances, you see all
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: these different ways that it can be used that aren't
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: immediately obvious and aren't necessarily beneficial to you as a
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: regular person. So, yeah.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: And, you know, the.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: Genie's out of the bottle on a lot of this stuff.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 3: So, you know, one of the things I think we
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: need to look at as a society, and, you know,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: the Supreme Court did recently weigh in on geofencing that
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: potentially affects flocks. you know, the Fourth Amendment has been
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: kind of upended by all this. And I think, you know,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: we need to, as a society, take a look at
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: how is this technology potentially being used in ways that
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: violate your constitutional rights now? You know, I'm not on
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: the Supreme Court. I'm not making these decisions. You know,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: the old standards for so much of this stuff don't
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: really apply anymore because the technology has changed so quickly
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: and advanced in ways that Again, probably the average person
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: is not even aware of that it's creating some real,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: at least in my mind, concerns.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: Legitimate ones. Well, and as you point out, I remember
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  Speaker 1: we talked about this several years ago about using Wi-Fi
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: within someone's residence to where people are and just identify location.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: But that was just like location. There's movement over there.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: The Wi-Fi can recognize that. Now it can determine exactly
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: who the identity of that particular person is, not just
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: in that controlled environment, but literally everywhere. And about five
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: minutes in tech time from now, it's going to be
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: as if a photograph was taken without any devices on you,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: wherever you happen to be. I think it's going to
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: get that smart, Dave. It just seems obvious right now.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: It's certainly headed in that direction.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Again, it creates interesting challenges that 30, 40 years ago,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: you wouldn't have even been able to predict. Unless, of course,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: you were working in that technology yourself and knew about
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: the potential future advances.
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  Speaker 1: May you live in interesting times, Dave.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: Well, we do, Brian.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, we do.
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  Speaker 3: Very interesting.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: And that's not a good thing, necessarily. IntrustIT.com, LinkedIn.com to
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: find Dave in the articles and find him here every
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: Friday beginning at 630. Thank you, Dave, for being here
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: for all of us and keep up the great work. Congratulations.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: You are the Taxpayer Defender of the Month. Warren Davidson,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: your reaction to this award? We're going to be talking
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: to Brandon Arnold, the Vice President of the National Taxpayer Union,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: who bestowed this award on you. He'll have him on
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  Speaker 1: the program coming up at 8.05. So what did you
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  Speaker 1: do to deserve that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I was just surprised somebody noticed, you know, you
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: go through there and you're like, hey, people pay attention
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: to these wonky things. And, you know, we're out there
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: spending money like crazy and trying harder to spend even more.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: So back in July, they had a plan to spend
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: ninety five billion dollars. And there's a rule in the
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: House that says you're supposed to pay for the spending,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: either find revenue or cut spending elsewhere. And, of course,
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  Speaker 2: they waive the rules almost every time that would be
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: an issue. So they just spend it. There's no way
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  Speaker 2: to pay for it. And so I offered amendments to
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  Speaker 2: pay for it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you said there's a rule that you got to
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: find the source of the money before you can spend it.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: How do we end up $ 40 trillion in the hole,
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  Speaker 1: Congressman Davidson?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, they obviously waived the rules quite a lot, right?
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: So this is the thing. You pass these rules. It's like, oh, no,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: there's a rule for that. We're not supposed to do that.
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  Speaker 2: And they waive the rules all the time. And in fact,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: this was the infuriating thing. The week before, we've got
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  Speaker 2: this Major Richard Starr Act, which is supposed to do
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: a better job of taking care of veterans. There's an
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: anomaly there where medically retired veterans aren't really cared for
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: the same way. as fully retired veterans are. So they
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: get shorted. And you're medically retired because you get injured
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: and can't continue to serve what they believe. So anyway,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: the quirk there, to get it fixed, and to do
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: that common sense fix, they're like, no, you have to
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: have a pay-for. Well, the bill failed because we couldn't
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: agree on the pay-for. So we still haven't fixed that.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: But then the following week, it's like, no, we need
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: $ 95 billion for some Other purposes, we fund the war
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: in Iran, subsidize some farm issues and pay for some disasters.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, I want to offer amendments to
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: pay for it. And so I found $ 95 billion in spending,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: which is the most basic layup. But then I found
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: three other amendments that could go all the way up.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: One went all the way up to $ 4 trillion of
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: savings payments. So there's plenty of ways to cut fraud, waste,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: and abuse or things that aren't even constitutional that the
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: federal government's doing. And it's not that they're not important
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: if the states want to do them fine, but there's
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: no constitutional role for the federal government in a lot
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: of things.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: Fair enough. And congratulations again on Taxpayer Defender of the Month.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: Moving over to the freak out over artificial intelligence. And
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: we get these corporate CEOs at AI companies coming out
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: and saying, look, 10% chance we're all going to die
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: within a decade and other nonsense like that. And Everyone
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: freaks out and they collectively are demanding that you save
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: them from yourself or from themselves. We need legislation passed.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: We need to coordinate efforts. It just seems to me
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: after all the initial freak out happened that we got
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: cooler heads and a moment later we're like, wait a second.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: This sounds to me like they're trying to avoid Sherman
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: Antitrust Act because they need to work together in order
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: to save us from these harms. It looks like they're
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: trying to get some protections from product liability law because
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: people know how dangerous AI can be when it's unleashed.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: And yet the Chinese Communist Party busily working away and
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: has no problem with any of this because our liability
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: laws and our antitrust laws do not reach into China.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: Is this all about the IPO and improving the value
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: of the share price when they finally announce that they're
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: doing an IPO? Congressman Davidson, where are you on this?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think it's a coordinated op. I mean,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: in my view, there's already a little collaboration because they
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: decided to launch this coordinated messaging program together. If you
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: go back to May of last year, the House version
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: of the Big Beautiful Bill had a 10-year blanket exemption
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: for any liability for artificial intelligence companies. That was in
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: the text, and that was one of the reasons I
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: voted no on the House version. So we raised a
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: stink over that. The public heard about it. They weren't
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: real happy with it. We got the forced vote on
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: removing that portion in the Senate bill. And it passed
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: 99 to 1 because when people had to go on
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: record saying, well, they know it's a terrible idea. And
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: so we removed it. So that's a big deal. So
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: then fast forward here this year, this is exactly what
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: the AI companies are wanting, either blanket exemption from liability.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: But just yesterday, the CEO of Palantir said, hey, I
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: think AI companies ought to be nationalized. And why? Because
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: you get sovereign immunity. So they can still do all
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: the things they want to do. So I think we're
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: into kind of crazy land here with a lot of
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: things on AI. And unfortunately, Congress really isn't taking action
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: on this. And privacy really is the base layer for
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: this because they're harvesting just massive amounts of data in
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: every facet of your life, car, phone, Internet, bank, you
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: name it. And then now AI will say, well, we
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: don't have a database. Well, they don't. They have large
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: language models that go out and harvest it from everywhere
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: it's accessible. And the kind of things that you can
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: pull up with a strong artificial intelligence tool, I've seen
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: demos of it. I mean, you can even find, the
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: most shocking thing was you could find maybe the last
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: three or four phones that someone has had.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: The advertising for that phone. and literally essentially their browser history.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: What is it that you like to do with your phone?
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: And it's all available out there. And so you know
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: once you get access to those kinds of things, plus
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: the ability to break encryption and do all kinds of
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: other things that the leading edge of technology is capable of,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's going to be some liability for some things.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: Well, and the other component is, before we get into
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: the break here, people are expecting Vivek Ramaswamy next. I
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: recorded my interview with Vivek Ramaswamy after the show yesterday,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: so we're going to kick that off in order to
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: keep you on. But I just have to comment, the
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: other thing that AI is doing, it is monetizing. Because
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: artificial intelligence, I mean, these corporations aren't doing this out
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: of altruism. They're doing it for purpose of profitability, right?
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: So when they absorb literally every single word of content
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: out in the world, and they're doing that, they're monetizing
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: copywritten and protected work that other people's work and effort
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: and labor have created without compensating that person. That seems
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: to be a problem. I mean, when we play songs
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: on the radio, we've got to compensate the artist. It
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: seems to be the same argument, doesn't it, Congressman Davidson?
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, very much so. And they're malicious about it. I mean,
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: they got caught buying rare books and destroying them. So
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: they literally have machines that slice the binding off the
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: back of the book, and then they're just scanning the
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: pages of text in. And they want to buy up
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: the book so the physical copy isn't even available. And
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: this is truly Orwellian because then you're like, well, that's
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: not what this book says.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, it is.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: It's right here. They're like, no, no, I have a
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: paper copy. Oh, those are illegal.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: We're getting rid of this. It's Fahrenheit 451. For whatever reason,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: there's a scene in Rollerball the medium popped in mind
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: as well. Exact same kind of thing. We'll continue with
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: Congressman Warren Davidson. We'll talk about the KRC, the talk station.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: It is 730, 55 KRC, the talk station. And a very,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: very happy Friday to you. Congressman Warren Davidson on the program.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: We'll get to Vivek Ramaswamy again, recorded yesterday, so I
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: can't talk to him about his most recent endorsement. And
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: good morning, Christopher Smith, and he let me know that
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: Vivek Ramaswamy just scored the Carpenters Union endorsement, which is
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: an interesting situation, Congressman Davidson, because they normally endorse Democrats.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: So that's, uh, you got any comments about Vivek being
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: neck and neck with Amy Acton? I don't mean to
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: put you on the spot. If you don't want to
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: talk about that, it's okay. But I am really perplexed.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: This is Ohio. We are not even a purple state.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: We're blue. How could it even be possible? Congressman Davidson,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: do you mind?
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: No, I'm a big Vivek Ramaswamy fan. I mean, he's
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: a good guy. I've known him about 10 years. Brilliant, uh,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: phenomenally successful. I mean, grew up right there, uh, you know,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: Princeton high school, uh, area. And of course went to St.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: X and, uh, you know, people are, I mean, just
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: odd whenever you see him speak. I mean, I look
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: at him in a working crowds and he came up
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: to the dark County fair, had hundreds of people coming
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: out to see him. I think there's kind of an
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: AstroTurf campaign out there saying people don't support, uh, Vivek.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, I mean, bikers for Trump support,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: Trump support Vivek. I mean, you get, uh, You get
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: intellectual support in Trump or support in Vivek. So you
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: look at it, and they have spun up some level
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: of concern about Vivek. And Amy Acton is nothing. I mean,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: that's why she's avoiding a lot of things in public.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: She can't string two sentences together. And it's not just
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: the ability to speak about things. It's just looking at, well,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: what have you done? So the resume isn't close. Who
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: would you want to hire to run your state? And
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: it's mind blowing to me that Amy Acton could could
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: even be within, you know, 10 margins of error. But
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: apparently she is on a lot of these polls.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: No question about it. And, you know, even I just
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: I'd mean to be critical of her as a person
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: because nobody's great at public speaking. But you're going to
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: be governor of a state of Ohio. You better have
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: some measure of skill in that regard. Her her own
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: commercials with her speaking skills. Wait a second. This is
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: the best they can provide by way of her articulating
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: a word or two about her campaign? I mean, that
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: would have been take one, but I can only imagine
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: how many takes they did before they got the final
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: one out on the air. It suggests something really bad
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: is going on over there. Anyhow, vote Ramos for me.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: He'll be on next. Let's go back to the Clarity Act,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: the Digital Asset Market Clarity Act, which failed in the
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: Senate the other day. What's your take on this?
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm not surprised that it failed. The Democrats have
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: never negotiated in good faith on this. We had a
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: challenge in the House. And I think we ultimately reached
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: a point where we just said, look, we're going to
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: call the question.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: We're going to put it on the floor.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: And, you know, it was an issue that unites Republicans
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: and divides Democrats. In the House, Democrats did not stick
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: together and just refused to break ranks. The Senate has
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: kind of become that way. There's only, you know, 47
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: of them over there. So they just stick together. And
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: in the House, we had about 70 Democrats just say, well,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: I think this is a common sense bill. And we
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: had no problem passing it in the House and in
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: a bipartisan way. But the Senate's basically just dug in
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: over there and on all kinds of issues. And if
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: they think it might mean that Donald Trump should get
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: credit for some sort of win, they're not giving they're
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: not giving ground. If they think that's it is a good.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: That's 100%. I mean, it's a lot of it's anti-Trump.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: But I will say Elizabeth Warren is a ringleader over there.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: She used to control Sherrod Brown. She really ran the
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: Senate Banking Committee that Sherrod Brown was officially in charge of.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: And she had this anti-crypto army. So everything on financial
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: services and banking, Elizabeth Warren really is the ringleader for
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: Democrats and has been for years. And Sher Brown was
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: over there doing Elizabeth Warren's bidding the whole time, which
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: is why two years ago, he lost. I mean, Bernie
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: Marino had lots of support from a lot of industries.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: The crypto fintech area was one of the big ones
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: that supported him because Sher Brown had been working to
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: kill this industry. And the main reason they're trying to
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: kill it, frankly, is the biggest banks and government surveillance.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: Freedom is something that Democrats have decided is a bad thing.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: They don't want you to control your own payments. They
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: want everything to stay account-based. One of the provisions that
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: they insisted in getting in the bill, still didn't get
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: them to yes, was Section 305. It gives the government
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: the ability to freeze your bank account, as if you're
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: a Canadian trucker. And it gives the liability shield for
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: the financial institution that's just following orders from the government.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: This isn't orders as in, well, we had an order
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: from a judge. There was some due process.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: You could appeal it.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: It's a civil asset forfeiture. We're going to take your
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: stuff and then get around to due process later. And
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: so there's provisions like that in this bill, and it
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: still didn't get Democrats' T.S.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: I guess we can chalk that off as a good thing.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: Congressman Warren Davidson, I know it's in your district. I
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: believe it is. 22-3 on Route 42 between Mason 11
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: and the NRA. Gun bus is going to be there
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: on Thursday between 10 and 2. And by good word,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: and I didn't ask him yesterday when I interviewed Ramos,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: apparently he is likely to be there. And Eric Conroy also,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: I was told, is going to be there. If you've
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: got any time between 10 and 2, I plan on
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: showing up at 22-3. That's my favorite gun store, Congressman Davidson.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: So if you've got some time, I just wanted to
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: let you know that that was coming to the area.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: Apparently a very popular thing. Congressman Davidson, I want to
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining the program and spending
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: time with my listeners and me. And congratulations again on
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: being the Taxpayer Defender of the Month. Well-deserved, and you
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: can keep up the great work along those lines.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: It's an honor to join you, Brian. My apologies for
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: the tardy start here. Thanks for highlighting Vivek and Eric Conroy,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: two really strong candidates. And I hope folks will go
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: out and support him. But thank you for doing so.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: Happy to do it.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: God bless you and all your listeners.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: And to you, sir. Thanks again. 737 Vivek Ramaswamy. Coming
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: on next. We'll talk to you. Hi, it's Brian Thomas.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: Pleased to welcome back to the 55 KRC Morning Show.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: Love when he's on. Vivek Ramaswamy. He's got my vote
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: for sure. Mr. Ramaswamy, you can find online at Vivek4Ohio.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: V-I-V-E-K for Ohio. And I recommend you do that because
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: you can get his entire platform. Vivek Ramaswamy, it's a
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: pleasure having you back on the show. Can I ask
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: you right out of the gate? Yeah, you've gotten many endorsements.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: Who got the Ohio State Medical Association endorsement, Mr. Ramaswamy?
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 5: It just came out this week, and I'm proud to
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 5: receive the endorsement of the Ohio State Medical Association. That's
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 5: the leading group of Ohio's physicians, the doctors of this state, which.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 7: Is obviously an honor in any race. But in this
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 7: particular race, it means a lot. Where I'm running against
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 7: the state's former health director, Dr.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 5: Amy Acton. And to receive their endorsement in this race,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 5: I think, speaks volumes.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: And I think that.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 7: It's an indication that people who have really vetted both
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 7: candidates have.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: Really, and they went through a rigorous process. The fact
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 5: that they landed where they did, I.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: Think, means a lot. Well, it really does. And I
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: just was going to jokingly say, you haven't gotten a
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: medical degree since the last time we talked, have you?
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 5: No, my wife has had one.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 7: And she's the real, she's the person who saves lives
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 7: every day.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 5: And she's the real hero of the family.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 7: But No, I think it's the fact that, look, a
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 7: lot of these groups from FOP, law enforcement, to the
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 7: state physician's body, to a lot of even the labor
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 7: groups that have endorsed us, understand that even above right
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 7: versus left disputes, what we really need at the top
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 7: is somebody who is competent and capable of leading the state,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 7: someone who is able to make tough executive decisions and
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 7: able to understand and process the issues. And I do
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 7: think that for a lot of these groups, and I
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 7: think for a lot of voters, The fact that Amy
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 7: Acton refuses to show up for a debate, I think,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 7: is a very telling sign that she is just unable
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 7: to do this job.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 5: But let's put her to one side, Brian.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 7: I think one of the things that I want to
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 7: do in this state is improve health care delivery, improve
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 7: the quality of health outcomes, bring down health care costs,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 7: prosecute Medicaid fraud, bring some health care price transparency. And
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 7: those were some tangible policies that we talked through with
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 7: this group as well, making it easier and simpler to
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 7: practice medicine and focus on patients instead of paperwork.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: Those are important factors as well.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 7: That I think are going to allow us to make
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 7: this a great state to not only practice medicine, but
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 7: a great state to get affordable health care. And that, too,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 7: is a big part of the reason why they endorsed us.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: Well, I know we're involved in a great discussion on
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: class warfare brought to you by the DSA and everybody
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: else who can use greed and envy as a vehicle
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: against their opposition. But I keep hearing people have problems
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: with your being so wildly successful and so wealthy. Honestly, Mr. Rimes,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, I take great comfort in that because you
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: at least aren't getting into elected office for the purpose
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: of padding your own financial book, for not making money.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: You don't need it. And that leads me to the question, why, sir,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: because you don't need this job, are you willing to
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: take on the incredible challenges of being the governor of
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: the state of Ohio? What's the point of all this, sir?
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 7: Well, look, I think that there's two parts to that.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 7: I mean, the first is that I can't be bought.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 7: And I think that's really important in reforming the way
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 7: the state is run for the better and taking Ohio
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 7: to the next level. The only interest group I report
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 7: to is the voters.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 5: I'm self-funding my campaign. I'm matching every dollar that we raise.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 7: And that has me putting many tens of millions of
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 7: my own money into the campaign. But one of the
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 7: things that that's good for is that it means that
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 7: no special interest group can really influence or buy me off.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 7: And I think that that's different from the historical class
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 7: of politicians who usually run not just in Ohio, but
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 7: in state government generally. But one of the things I'll
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 7: say more generally, Brian, is on a personal level, I
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 7: feel a moral duty to do this because I have
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 7: been successful and I owe it to this country and
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 7: to our state to really pay forward what opportunities I've
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 7: been given. My parents came from Southwest India to Southwest
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 7: Ohio with nothing to their name. I went to public schools,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 7: as you know, and greater Cincinnati through eighth grade, I
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 7: eventually ended up becoming an entrepreneur, ended up founding successful companies,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 7: the largest of which, Roivent, has developed six FDA-approved medicines,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 7: which are.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 5: Life-saving therapies for patients today. And now we're raising our
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 5: kids in Columbus in circumstances that neither of my parents
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 5: or my wife's parents would have ever imagined possible. That
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 5: is the American dream.
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  Speaker 7: And I think that with that American dream also comes
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 7: a responsibility. To pass that American dream on to our
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 7: kids and their generation, that is why I'm in this.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, there's no other reason that you should run
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 7: for governor, not for fame, not for fortune.
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  Speaker 5: We've been blessed beyond our wildest imagination.
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  Speaker 7: The only reason that I want to do this job
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 7: is I know we can have an impact. I know
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 7: that we can create a state. where every kid in
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 7: Ohio has a shot at success, the same level of
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 7: success or more than I have achieved. And I wasn't
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 7: born into wealth, unlike my opponent, whose running mate.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 5: Really went to some of the most expensive schools.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 7: In Ohio that my family couldn't have dreamed of sending
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 7: me to at that same point in time, Trust Fund Inheritances.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 5: No, that wasn't how I earned my wealth. I earned
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 5: my wealth through hard work, entrepreneurship, ingenuity, through the opportunities
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 5: that this country uniquely gives to people like me and
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 5: to hopefully to like all of the kids growing up
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 5: in this state.
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  Speaker 7: And so I wasn't born a millionaire or a billionaire
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 7: or anything air. I was born an heir to nothing.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 7: But I understand what economic mobility looks like. And I
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 7: want every family in this state to enjoy that upward
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 7: economic mobility.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: And my basic view is pretty simple on this, Brian.
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  Speaker 5: The more we celebrate success in Ohio, the more of
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 5: it we're likely to have. The more we penalize success,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 5: the less of it we're likely to have.
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  Speaker 1: That's the fork in the road.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 5: That's the choice on the ballot in less than seven
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 5: weeks from when we're having this conversation. And I believe
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 5: people are going to choose economic success for themselves, for
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 5: their families and for our state.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 7: And that's what we're going to win.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: Well, the foundation of that economic success, and I know
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: educational achievement is one of the key components to your platform, sir.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: What can we do to improve the quality and maybe
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: just improve education, generally speaking, to benefit our children? Because
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: as I've come to conclude, and maybe it's too much
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: of a broad-brush statement, I think the modern education system,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: at least K-12 public education, is failing our children. As
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: demonstrated by class scores, we need to change that trajectory.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: What do you, knowing the value of education, what it
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: did for your success, what do we do in Ohio?
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: What more can we do?
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 5: I think we have to just double down and focus
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 5: on the fundamentals of both math, reading, writing at an
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 5: early age. And then as kids get into high school,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 5: also incorporating skills, real world skills. If you think about
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 5: many of these students, if you want to pursue a
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 5: four-year college degree, that could be great, and we want
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 5: great universities in Ohio. But many of them also can
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 5: pursue alternative careers in the trades as welders or electricians
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 5: or carpenters or even plumbers or mechanics. This is something
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 5: that we can foster starting at a younger age too.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: But right now, our education system isn't doing a great
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 5: job of preparing our kids for the workforce by the
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 5: time they graduate from high school. By bringing some basic
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 5: standards back, I do think we can fix that. Now,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 5: one of the things that does bother me, and it's
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 5: a motivation for me to run and hopefully serve as
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 5: the governor of the state.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 7: Is how much the very people who pay lip service
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 7: to public education hurt public education itself. And my opponent
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 7: is the prime example of that. She's the archetype of that.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 7: We're the number one thing that hurt public schools and
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 7: public school education in Ohio. Number one thing we can
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 7: point to in the 21st century was the COVID school shutdowns.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 7: Ohio was unfortunately the first state to shut down our
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 7: public schools In Cincinnati, think about where I grew up.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 7: Cincinnati public schools were closed for nearly two years, whereas St.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 7: X High School, where I had a chance to go
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 7: to high school, was closed for five days. Those kids
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 7: in those public schools will never get those two years
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 7: of their education back. And so I don't have a
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 7: lot of patience for those like Amy Acton who will
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 7: preach about inequality. but created the very inequality that they
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 7: complain about.
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  Speaker 5: So I want actual solutions. I believe those kids in
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 5: the inner city of Cincinnati deserve access to the same
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 5: education that every kid in the state, including myself, enjoyed
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 5: by going to places like Sanex High School. I want
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 5: every kid to have those opportunities. I want our public
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 5: schools to perform. I want our public schools to serve
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 5: our kids. I want to support our teachers. Our teachers
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 5: in those public schools are Starting salaries should be higher
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 5: than what they are right now, and that includes some
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 5: level of parental accountability as well. I think parents need
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 5: to have real responsibilities and real accountability. So all of
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 5: that is part of our vision for educational reform, and
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 5: we owe it to our kids, Brian, in Ohio to
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 5: ensure that they're able to compete in the workforce of
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 5: the future and that they're educated and prepared to do it.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: He will answer questions. He will appear in public. You
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: can ask Vivek Ramaswamy a question when you see him
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: out at some event, and he's not afraid to talk
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: about the issues. That's why he's right for Ohio. That's
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: why you need to check out VivekForOhio.com. Check out his
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: entire plan. And, of course, vote for him in November.
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  Speaker 3: Mr.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: Ramaswamy, Vivek, it's my friend. I'm glad to have you
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: on the morning show, and I appreciate your willingness to
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: talk about policies and what your vision is for the
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: state of Ohio. And I hope my listeners embrace it
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: and get everyone and their friends to head on over
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: to the polls and vote for you in November.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 5: One more thing, Brian, just before we wrap.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 7: I still think it'd be great if we have a
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 7: debate in this race. And CNN and NBC, local, and
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 7: WWT and Cincinnati included, offered to host a debate. I
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 7: accepted both CNN and WWT. I respectfully challenge Amy Acton
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 7: to show up. And for either candidate, if you can't
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 7: show up to debate, that means you're not fit to
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 7: lead this state. You've got to have what it takes
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 7: to lead, and I think that will be such a
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 7: positive thing in the weeks that we have ahead. And
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 7: if someone doesn't show up, my opponent has refused, I
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 7: think that should affect the way people think about who
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 7: they're voting for.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to have a hell of a lot bigger
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: challenges as the governor of the state than a simple
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: debate with your opponent. I've been calling her a coward.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you can get out of the game.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 7: That's what I would say.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, man, thanks for your time today, sir. I'm anxious
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: to vote for you, and again, I encourage my listeners
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: to do so. If you have any doubt in your mind,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know where it's coming from. Vive4Ohio. com is a
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: place where you might get those questions answered. Thank you, sir,
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: and I appreciate you running for office. I really, truly do. 8.05,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: the 55KRCD talk station. Happy Friday. Bottom of the hour
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: with Jack Windsor. A bunch of stuff to talk about
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: with Jack. In the meantime... We had him on early
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: in the program, Congressman Warren Davidson, the recipient of the
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: Taxpayer Defender of the Month from the National Taxpayers Union.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: And congratulations to Congressman Davidson on that and joining the
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: program now to talk about that and what they do,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: the National Taxpayers Union, is the Executive Vice President of NTU.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: You can find the National Taxpayers Union online at NTU.org.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: Brandon Arnold is the Executive Vice President. He is, well,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: you probably know him. He's testified before Congress. He's written
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: for all the major publications. He's been on all the
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: major news programs on television. And fun fact, one of
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: his prior positions, and he's got an impressive resume, Director
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: of Government Affairs at the Cato Institute, who recently crunched
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: numbers on the cost of the Democratic Socialist of America platform,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: which only comes in between $ 30 and $ 70 trillion over
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: 10 years. Brandon Arnold, welcome to The Morning Show. It's
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: a pleasure to have you on today.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 6: Thank you. It's my pleasure to be here.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: And I appreciate what you're doing there, shedding some light
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: on factual reality over the realities of what our government does.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: And let us talk about Congressman Davidson. What led you
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: to select him, and what factors did you look at
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: in selecting any given taxpayer defender of the month?
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, Congressman Davidson has just a spectacular record
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 6: going back to his early days in Congress, being a
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 6: champion of limited government, cutting spending, reducing taxes, free markets,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 6: all the stuff that we love and we work for
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 6: at National Taxpayers Union. But what really stood out was
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 6: a courageous vote that he took this July when the
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 6: budget resolution was moving and basically all Republicans were supporting
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 6: a plan to boost spending by about $ 100 billion without
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 6: a single penny of offsets. And not only was he
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 6: just in a small handful of Republicans that opposed this resolution,
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 6: he was actually crafting amendments to try to improve the
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 6: bill from a fiscal perspective, ways to offset some of
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 6: that higher spending so that future generations of taxpayers are
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 6: not burdened by the debt that we are putting on
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 6: their backs and shoulders right now. So he really took
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 6: a leadership role, not surprising for folks who knew Warren Davidson,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 6: but still something that deserved an award and a great
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 6: deal of recognition for.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, I'm glad you mentioned the words future
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: generation because, you know, when you stare at $ 40 trillion
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: in debt, it's just, it's mind-blowing and your eyes glaze
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: over and we even, we lose track. When someone says,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: we found a fraudster that bilked the government for $ 10 million,
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: we're like, what's the big deal? It's only $ 10 million
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: in a country that literally spends extra billions per day
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: in deficit spending, but Our future generations are going to
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: have to eat all that. They're going to have to
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: tighten their belts because we lived way, way larger while
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: the federal government printed money than we should have. And
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: that dovetails nicely in a conclusion you reach at the
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: National Taxpayers Union about the $ 5, 000 checks from Trump. I mean,
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: that's going to fuel inflation and debt. How can you
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: come to any other conclusion? And it's difficult to be
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: critical of Donald Trump because people freak out and pull
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: their hair out, but I share your position, the National
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: Taxpayers Union position, on this $ 5, 000 dividend payment. As you
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: crunch the numbers, $ 1. 85 trillion when you add in the
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: cost of debt service, additional debt.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely. You know, the first thing we have to do,
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 6: the old Dave Ramsey strategy here for getting out of
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 6: debt is cut up those credit cards and stop spending more. Unfortunately,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 6: I don't think we're moving in that direction. We're talking
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 6: about boosting spending through this reconciliation package. Again, thanks to
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 6: Warren Davidson for voting against that. You know, we're talking
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 6: about these stimulus checks, these $ 5, 000 checks. We just don't
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 6: have the money for it. You know, maybe in a
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 6: different scenario where we had trillions of dollars of surplus,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 6: we could be having that kind of discussion about giving
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 6: money back to the people. But right now, we need
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 6: to batten down the hatches. We need to make spending reductions.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 6: We need to bring our budget closer to balance because
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 6: we see what's taking place.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: Place.
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  Speaker 6: It's driving up borrowing costs if you want to buy
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 6: a house or finance an automobile. It's creating havoc in
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 6: the bond markets that create some serious economic disruptions. It's
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 6: really starting to take an enormous impact on everyday Americans.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 6: This isn't a theoretical problem. It's a real problem. and
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 6: it'll get worse unless we do something about it.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: Well, if you just look at the value of the
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: dollar that's been eroded over the years, I saw someone
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: that posted a U.S. gas prices since the 1970s calculated
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: based on the adjusted to approximately $ 20, $ 26. I mean, sure,
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: we're paying $ 4. 50 a gallon today, but if you factor
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: in the discount value of the dollar, thanks to the
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: printing press, we were paying effectively about $ 5. 50 a gallon
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: when Obama was president. So We've been through these times before,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: but if we hadn't watered down the dollar, we'd kind
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: of have a better understanding of the reality of where
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: we are and what the printing press has done to us.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, hopefully with Kevin Warsh at
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 6: the Fed, we'll have a little bit tighter monetary policy
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 6: and we won't be pumping as much in the way
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 6: of cash into the economy. That's one of the ways.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 6: That inflation has increased, not the only way. We need
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 6: to spend less.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 5: We need to be.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 6: Better stewards of taxpayer dollars. There's a lot of things
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 6: that need to take place. But until we, again, cut
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 6: up those credit cards and start to be actually responsible
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 6: with taxpayer dollars, this battle is going to be a
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 6: losing one. Unfortunately, we're taking more steps backwards than we
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 6: take steps forwards. We need more people like Warren Davidson,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 6: Jim Jordan, other great Ohioans that are in Washington to actually...
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 6: get a handle on our federal deficits and start turning
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 6: things around.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: Well, I think COVID was a real eye-opener for so
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: many people. We feel like we were lied to. There
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: was a bait and switch going on. Oh my God,
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: never let a good crisis go to waste. And have
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: we ever seen a crisis like COVID-19? And they used
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: every form of alchemy to get us to all freak
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: out and do stupid things. And they also used it
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: as a vehicle to throw money at a whole bunch
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: of cities. The city of Cincinnati was complaining because they're
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: having a budget issue because, well, they ran out of
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: COVID money. I'm thinking, what? What would you have done
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: without COVID for the past several years without that money?
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: But I saw that you gave Representative Greg Stubbe from
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: Florida the Taxpayer Defender of the Month because he was
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: behind and introduced the Government Bailout Prevention Act, which apparently
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: is establishing safeguards or will if it's passed against federal
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: funds being used to bail out state and local governments
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: in financial distress. Isn't that exactly what the PPP loans
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: and all the other money that was thrown at cities
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: was all about? All these cities that were underwater already
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: immediately found themselves awash in COVID dollars. I draw a
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: straight line between the two. Any comment on that, sir?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, the problem, there are many problems,
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 6: but one of the big problems from a fiscal perspective
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 6: with COVID was it created this ratchet effect for spending.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 6: We increased spending to weather the storm. That's what we
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 6: were told. Hey, we just got to get through this crisis.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 6: Let's print all this money. Let's push all this money
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 6: out into the economy. But then when COVID ended, we
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 6: didn't revert back to where we were in 2019. We
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 6: just kind of built that into our baseline for spending
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 6: and then constructed additional spending on top of that. And
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 6: I'm speaking mostly of the federal government. But as you said,
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 6: that was happening at the municipal level. It was happening
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 6: at the county level. It was happening at the state level.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 6: All of these entities were just building that extra spending in.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 6: And then when it started to go away, they clamored
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 6: and they got a lot of that money from the
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 6: federal government in many instances. So, yeah, COVID created this
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 6: enormous ratchet effect on spending pretty much at every level
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 6: of government. And now we do have to worry about
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 6: bailouts because the especially poorly run states and localities, think Illinois,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 6: think California. You know, a lot of these areas are
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 6: in even worse fiscal shape than they were prior to
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 6: the pandemic. And of course, they're going to come knocking
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 6: if they haven't already to the federal government looking for funds.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 6: So thank you to Congressman Stubbe of Florida for pushing
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 6: that very, very important bill. But unfortunately, I think we're
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 6: going to see that problem materialize more. as we start, hopefully,
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 6: to cut back and move back to where we were
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 6: in 2019 in terms of spending. Incidentally, spending was too
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 6: high back then, but we've ratcheted spending up. Now it's
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 6: approaching a quarter of the economy, which is well above
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 6: historic norms. So don't let anyone tell you that the
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 6: taxes are the problem. Spending has increased as a share
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 6: of our overall economy, and that is what is driving
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 6: the primary driver of budget deficits and debt.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: Well, no party has a lock on spending too much.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: We can blame Republicans, not quite as equally as Democrats,
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: but this overspending, and I always like to turn my
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: head toward the Democrats whose response and plan for everything
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: is a new government program with more spending or more
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: spending in any given program that's already there. I keep
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: looking at it going, look, we are on a highway
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: to hell with the debt. Our credit card bill's racking up,
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: as you pointed out. Every year we have to spend
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: more and more on debt service, and we can't let
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: the creditors of the world down because, well, we own
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: an obligation or the whole world would collapse economically. But
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: the spending is really going to have a profound impact
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: on people, and I'm thinking about Social Security. All this
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: great grand program, we're going to protect you in your
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: old age, it is on. That trajectory is looming large.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: Within the next several years, my senior friends and the
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: listening audience are going to have to take a 22%
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: cut in their monthly nut. But then come the calls
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: for some measure of reform, I guess maybe doing a
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: means testing thing or no more cap on income in
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: terms of Social Security tax levies. It's not going to
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: solve the problem. All of these programs have really an
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: existential threat, and that is government runaway spending. The people
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: who are dependent upon them, the Democrat base, if you
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: want to be so bold as to say that, they're
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: facing a real collapse. Is it going to take a
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: calamity like the Great Depression to get these people to
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: wake the hell up and cut off the spending machine,
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: Brandon Arnold?
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 6: I don't know what it'll take at this point. I'm
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 6: hopeful that people are seeing that check engine light flashing
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 6: on the dashboard right now with bond markets being in
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 6: a state of flux that they're in. $ 40 trillion of debt,
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 6: as you mentioned earlier. We're about to hit the debt
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 6: ceiling again early in 2027, and all likelihood we're going
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 6: to need to lift that debt ceiling. Again, that may
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 6: actually happen in the lame duck session of this current Congress.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 6: So all of these warning signs are going off right now.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 6: You talk about the 22% cut. Absolutely terrifying. And it's
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 6: going to take place in about six years. That date
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 6: could actually be accelerated if things don't go our way.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 6: If we extend the no tax on Social Security, the
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 6: senior deduction that was passed as part of the One
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 6: Big Beautiful Bill, a bill that we supported, but certainly has...
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 6: more work to be done in the deficit space after
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 6: passing that legislation. So if that date does move up,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 6: what is Congress going to do about it? We are
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 6: literally on the Hill every day saying the time to
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 6: act is now. The time to act was decades ago,
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 6: but given that we didn't do that, the time to
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 6: act is now. And unfortunately, we get a lot of
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 6: cold blank stares from most members of Congress when we
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 6: talk about touching the third rail that is Social Security
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 6: or any of the entitlement programs really. But putting your
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 6: head in the sand is probably the least responsible thing
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 6: you can do at a time like now. So hopefully
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 6: that tide will turn. They need to hear from more
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 6: constituents saying, hey, what is your plan for Social Security?
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 6: Because time is running out.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: Well, as a young man, when I became of political
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: age during the first Reagan administration, I don't know how
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: old you are, Brandon Arnold, but I'll be 61 in
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: a week. I remember Ronald Reagan complaining about the national
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: debt when it hadn't even reached a trillion yet, if
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: I recall that correctly. Look where we are.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, unfortunately, a lot of politicians have realized that you
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 6: get a lot more ticker tape parades by spending taxpayer
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 6: money than you do from cutting federal spending. And that
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 6: has led to this really untenable debt situation that I
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 6: think most Americans get, but most members of Congress don't, unfortunately.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: Brandon Arnold, he is vice president of the National Taxpayers Union, NTU.org.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: I recommend you check it out. Lots of fantastic information
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: there and enlightening information like the bill that I found
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: out Representative Stubbe was behind. Sounds like a fantastic idea.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: So I'll encourage my listeners to check you out and
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: support your organization, and I'll applaud you for what you
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: are doing. We have a real problem on our hands,
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: and I thank the National Taxpayers Union for regularly reminding
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: our elected officials they've got a job to do. Brandon Arnold,
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: it's been great having you on the show.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 6: It's been a pleasure. Thank you so much.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I look forward to doing it again sometime. Coming
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: up at 818 right now, 55KRC, the talk station, a
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: couple minutes before we get to Jack Windsor, Ohio Press Network.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: We'll come out of the gate with Jack talking about
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: the latest Amy Acton video of her, of course, not
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: taking questions. That after the challenge from Vivek Ramaswamy earlier
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: to do a debate. Don't hold your breath. 818, 55KRC,
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: the talk station.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 5: 55KRC.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: Don't miss it. It is 822-55-KRCD Talk Station. It's Friday,
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: and a happy one to you. Jack Windsor coming up next. Yeah,
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: we'll talk about Amy Acton. We'll talk about the Brown
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: versus Houston race. And who is Ishmael Muhammad, and why
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: does he have residency status problems? Jack will enlighten us
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: on that. I was talking, and we were talking there
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: with Brandon Arnold, and I mentioned the gas prices. I
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: saw this thing, and the moment of shock for me
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: when gasoline went through the roof was the early 80s,
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: the first time it went over $ 1. And at the time,
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: I was driving a Caprice Classic Convertible, a 1973 Caprice
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: Classic Convertible. And no, it did not have the massive
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: V8 that it possibly came with, the 454. It had
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: a 350 with a two-barrel. I got like eight miles
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: of the gallon in that thing. And that's on a
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: good day. Today's dollar value, it was about what we're
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: paying today in 1981. today in 1981, $ 4. 44 or $ 4. 50 roughly.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: And so I feel the pain. I remember the shock
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: of that, you know, because when you're 16 years old
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: and you don't have a whole lot of money, it's
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: impossible to fill a really big gas tank like that
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: and more effectively what was then $ 4.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 5: 50 a pop.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: So it's been a lot worse. We can complain about it,
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: and we can, and it's worthy complaining about it because
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: it shouldn't be this high, but you were paying more
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: under Biden. Middle of the term, 2022, it was $ 4.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 3: 65.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: Today, $ 4. 32, at least when the chart was printed. Under Obama,
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: that was the most anybody ever paid, and he told
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: you it was going to be that way. Something I
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: keep going back to. Price of gasoline necessary will increase.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: And over the first several years of his administration, it
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: went from what was effectively around, oh, let's say about
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: $ 3. 75 all the way up to $ 5.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: 41.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: That was 2011. That's how much you were paying in
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: 2011 dollars. So two terms for Obama. And isn't it wild?
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: Someone also observed about this. If you look at the chart,
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: The price of gasoline dropped pretty dramatically during the end
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: of Obama's term. It went from $ 5. 41 in 2011, in
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: today's dollars, and magically got down to $ 3. 14 ahead of
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: the election. Huh, Trump won. Elections have consequences. Please don't
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: let the price of gasoline impact your vote. There's no
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: correlation between the gasoline price And the gubernatorial election in Ohio. Zero.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 5: 825.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: 55 KRC Talk Station. Looking forward to Jack Windsor joining
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: the program. Coming up next, we'll start off with Amy Acton.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: Where in the hell is she?
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: KRC The Talk Station.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: 830 on a Friday. It is that time of week
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: I look forward to. I look forward to a lot
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: of times during the week. Special guests on the program,
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: but regular guests included. And thank God for them. And
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: it's time. For TheOhioPressNetwork.com, Jack Windsor. Jack, good to see
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: you this morning. I get the pleasure of seeing him
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: on video. And, of course, my listeners get the opportunity
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: to hear him talk about the issues that he brings
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: up all the time on TheOhioPressNetwork.com. Jack, always good to
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: have you on the program.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 4: Brian, always an honor to be here with you and
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 4: Joe and the listeners. And your listeners are lucky. They
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 4: only get to hear me. You have to see me
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 4: on the face for radio.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: I have one, too. Although I have a new headshot
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: on my blog page because the old one was like
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: 10 years old. And no, I don't look like that anymore.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: So I had to update that. The prior one, I
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: looked like I was 10 years old. So a little
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: slow keeping things up to date. But that's about all
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: anybody needs to see of me. Jack Windsor, somebody needs
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: to see more of Amy Acton except on her television spots.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: I know she's been hiding in the basement. And I guess...
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: I brought this up earlier because Vivek Ramaswamy is on
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: the program, and he did say out loud, I want
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: to debate her. Listen, I'll debate her anywhere. CNN, NBC, MSNBC. Basically,
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: he threw out a bunch of left-wing. He doesn't care.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: He wants an opportunity to engage in a back-and-forth, and
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: who wouldn't want that opportunity? But Amy Acton's television commercials,
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: her own produced television commercials, Jack, you see the one
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: they run on TV? I'm just wondering, when we get that,
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: and that is the best they could hopefully come up with,
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: that's as polished as we're going to get, she is
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: not exactly confidence-inspiring, I have to observe.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I don't know. So I say this now
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 4: because someone said this to me earlier in the week.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 4: They said, Jack, you're not normal. And what they were
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 4: trying to say is I'm a little more of a politico,
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 4: I guess, and you and I probably fall into that
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 4: same striping.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: As too many of the listeners. Yeah, we dwell on it. Yeah.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 4: And so, you know, I don't know, usually after Labor Day,
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 4: people kind of start tuning in, but we're about, you know,
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 4: 50 plus days away from the election. And I think
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 4: people are starting to pay more attention today than they
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 4: were say 60 days ago. And I think that's bad
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 4: for Amy Acton, frankly, is, is how I'm going to
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 4: boil it down. I emceed the Ohio Christian Alliance event
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 4: last night. Vivek Ramaswamy was there. I was able to
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 4: introduce him and he said, you know, I'll take a
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 4: couple of questions, but we were tight on time. We only, only, uh,
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 4: got to ask, or excuse me, answer to. And one
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 4: of the questions was from somebody that was not hostile,
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 4: but was basically, hey, you know, I voted for Trump.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 4: I'm really dissatisfied, really kind of pissed off. Are you
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 4: going to sell this out like Trump, essentially? And Vivek
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 4: Ramaswamy thanked him, you know, took the question, and he
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 4: answered it. And I remember standing there thinking, can you
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 4: imagine if Amy Acton was asked a question and Joe
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 4: Biden or the Democrats or Amy, are you going to
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 4: sell us out? I would almost fully expect her armed
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 4: guard to come over and apprehend the person and say,
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 4: no more questions. But one thing, regardless of where you
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 4: stand with his political ideology and his policy positions, Vivek
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 4: Ramaswamy is not afraid to take questions. And he's not
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 4: afraid to take questions from people who are not just
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 4: there to appease him or to give him praise. And
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 4: I think there's something to say about that. I think
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 4: voters are starting to see that.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: Well, I would hope so. And who cannot see her
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: outright refusal to debate him? What possible reason would a
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: candidate have for not doing so? Has she articulated anything
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: that she could possibly hang her hat on along those lines, Jack?
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's a lot of political posturing. And frankly,
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 4: I don't know if it's Amy Acton doing it. You've
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 4: heard me say, I think you and I might agree
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 4: on this, David Pepper's running that show. If she wins,
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 4: he's going to be running the show.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: Puppet master.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 4: And she's the out front dog and pony show performer, right?
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 3: So.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 4: Really, Vivek said it last night. She's not afraid of him.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 4: I think she's afraid of voters. I think she's afraid
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 4: of handling the hard questions. And I've got to give
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 4: you my lived experience again. Go back six years to
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 4: her being right in the middle of the state's COVID response.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 4: And on at least two occasions, I asked some really
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 4: hard questions. And by the way, I wasn't mean. I
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 4: just asked questions because the data and scoreboard that they
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 4: used wasn't adding up to the policies and so on
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 4: and so forth. And any time that I asked a
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 4: hard question, she would miss the next day's press conference.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 4: And so I think that there is just kind of
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 4: this baked-in sensitivity. I don't think she's cut for this.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 4: I don't think she's hardwired for it. And therefore, they're
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 4: going with the Joe Biden strategy, keep her in the basement,
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 4: talk a lot of smack about her opponent, and just
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 4: hope that her likability is high enough that voters push
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 4: the button or pull the lever for her.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: Well, she wasn't up to the task of the medical director.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: She walked off that job, Jack.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, less than 100 days in. And by the way,
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 4: I think she's quit every job she's had. If you remember,
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 4: she didn't want to be front and center. DeWine, during
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 4: a state hiring freeze, hired her for $ 230, 000 a year
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 4: as his personal advisor. That lasted not very long. And
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 4: then she went on to some nonprofit and then another
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 4: and then another. And if you remember, I think it
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 4: was 2022, she was going to run for U.S. Senate
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 4: and didn't do that. She walked out on that opportunity,
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 4: went somewhere else, quit that job. And, you know, one
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 4: of the things I've been trying to determine is does
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 4: she or has she ever practiced medicine? I don't have
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 4: any evidence to say that she has. So I'm really
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 4: at a loss other than being a professor of public health.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 4: What has she done? And when she did do something
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 4: where the going got tough, as you said, less than
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 4: 100 days in, she quit.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: Quit and won't debate. Not exactly a profile in courage,
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: Jack Winters. Don't go away. We're going to get your
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: thoughts and comments on the Brown versus Husted race and
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: how that one can be close is another one that
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: puzzles me. Plus, the tail end of the program, the
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: continuing saga of Representative Ishmael Muhammad. He's got some real
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: problems on his hands, and Jack has been hounding him
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: and riding him like a circus pony. Don't go away.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: More with Jack Windsor after these words.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 5: 55KRC.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 4: Nope.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: 839-55KRC, the talk station. Continue to talk this morning. A
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: man who can talk and articulate better than me today,
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: Jack Winterson. Jack, pivoting over to the Sherrod Brown-John Husted race.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: They haven't got a debate scheduled for that one either,
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: although I haven't heard either side say they don't want
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: a debate. Is that still a possibility?
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 4: I think it is. I really think it is. I
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 4: had someone in my studio earlier in the week, a
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 4: Republican strategist by the name of Bob Clegg. And because,
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 4: by the way, there are some accusations floating around on
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 4: social media that from people on the left who say, well,
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 4: why are you so mad that Amy Acton isn't going
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 4: to debate? Because John Husted is not going to debate.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 4: His campaign has not told me that. There just is
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 4: not something scheduled. We'll probably get into this. There was
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 4: a poll, two polls that came out recently, one last night,
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 4: one earlier in the week. And I'm trying to find
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 4: it here. A good number of people, a majority of
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 4: people say that a debate is important. 55% say a
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 4: televised governor's debate is very important. 87% say it is
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 4: at least somewhat important. So I'm assuming there may not
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 4: be that much crossover for U.S.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: Senate.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 4: But my guess is a majority of people probably say, yeah,
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 4: it's important to hear from the candidates directly on certain
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  Speaker 4: issues and to allow them to address issues. some of
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  Speaker 4: the skeletons in their closet, if you will, the stuff
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  Speaker 4: that always comes out down the stretch here.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and that's exactly why you would want to debate.
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  Speaker 1: If a candidate is being targeted and attacked in these PAC,
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: political action committee ads can be really harsh. I mean,
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: if a candidate doesn't have to approve them, they can
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  Speaker 1: pretty much say anything. Because these folks are public figures,
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: you get away with a lot. So with that stated,
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  Speaker 1: if I am... am running for office and I'm being
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  Speaker 1: publicly attacked and I know that these are demonstrably false
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  Speaker 1: claims or at least hiding the reality of what is
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  Speaker 1: being asserted, I would like to get out in the
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  Speaker 1: open and talk about it. I mean, why wouldn't you
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  Speaker 1: avail yourself to any possible opportunity to do exactly that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And what other conclusion can one draw is maybe perhaps
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: the candidate that doesn't want to debate perhaps is concerned
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: about the truth of some of these allegations being stated.
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  Speaker 1: There's an option.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, some people would argue that
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  Speaker 4: Sherrod Brown has some stuff, but he's had some stuff
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  Speaker 4: for several decades. He continues to carry it with him
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  Speaker 4: every election cycle. Of course, you and I both know
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  Speaker 4: what John Husted would be attacked on, the House Bill
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  Speaker 4: 6 stuff. So that would be fresh. Well, that might
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  Speaker 4: be tricky there for him.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's the Larry. Just to remind my listeners, that's
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: the whole energy Larry householder thing.
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  Speaker 3: Right. OK.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And I don't know, by the way, if if if
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  Speaker 4: those there are certain investigations on a on a state
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  Speaker 4: level that are still going on. I don't know if
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  Speaker 4: John Husted would would be able to comment on some
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  Speaker 4: of that. Frankly, I know that he had been subpoenaed.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know where that is in the process. That
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 4: might make it a little trickier. Going back to the polls,
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  Speaker 4: what we're seeing, other than the Fox poll that came
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 4: out late in the summer that had Brown plus eight,
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 4: this latest series of polls has Brown somewhere between three
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  Speaker 4: and four. You had the Bowling Green State University poll
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  Speaker 4: earlier in the week with YouGov, and then last night, Trafalgar,
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  Speaker 4: which I think most people consider a little bit right-leaning,
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 4: also had Brown between 3% and 4%. And a couple
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 4: of interesting things in both of those polls, Democrats are
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 4: more motivated almost by a 2 to 1 ratio. And
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  Speaker 4: I think that's going to be the tail of the tape, Brian.
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  Speaker 4: Are Republicans going to get off the couch? Are they
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  Speaker 4: going to go pull the lever? And what we're hearing
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  Speaker 4: a lot now, and I say this all the time,
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  Speaker 4: you say it, if you're 80% aligned with somebody, it
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  Speaker 4: Don't wait until you're 100 percent aligned. It's never going
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  Speaker 4: to happen to allow socialism to continue to creep and
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  Speaker 4: make no mistake about it. That's what Republicans are up against.
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  Speaker 4: You're dealing with creeping socialism.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and, you know, Sherrod Brown's a liberal guy. He
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: isn't on record with radical, you know, let's destroy the
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  Speaker 1: Constitution policies. But his voting record suggests that it doesn't
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: matter what they're voting for. If it's Democrat inspired, he's
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  Speaker 1: going to vote for it. Ninety nine percent of the
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: time he never bucks the system. And this is where
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  Speaker 1: I worry. The DSA is making great inroads in the
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: Democratic Party. They're taking over. They're running the show. They
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 1: got regular mainstream Democrats running scared with the exception of Fetterman.
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  Speaker 1: Where do you think Sherrod Brown would vote on this?
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  Speaker 1: And if you're concerned about the DSA, and you should be,
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  Speaker 1: a vote for Sherrod Brown will be a vote for
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  Speaker 1: these damn policies.
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  Speaker 4: You're 100% accurate. That is the part about Sherrod Brown
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  Speaker 4: that I think is really tricky. He has political acumen.
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  Speaker 4: I always say campaign Sherrod is wholly different then D.C.
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  Speaker 4: Sherrod votes with the radical left. If the DSA takes
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 4: over the party, Sherrod Brown's going to stamp it with
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 4: approval by voting yes. And by the way, I thought
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  Speaker 4: this was interesting. One of the polls that came out,
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  Speaker 4: you may find this a little comical, one in four
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  Speaker 4: voters actually still believes that Sherrod Brown is the incumbent.
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  Speaker 1: Holy cow.
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  Speaker 4: Isn't that crazy?
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  Speaker 1: Well, he's been in politics for 50 years.
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  Speaker 4: I might ride that pony for a while if I
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  Speaker 4: were Husted and say, I haven't even been here long
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  Speaker 4: enough to find the bathrooms. A quarter of you still
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  Speaker 4: think that Sherrod's the guy. So I need some more
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  Speaker 4: time here.
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  Speaker 1: That's a very good point, man. That is a reflection
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  Speaker 1: of political ignorance that I, I don't think I can
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  Speaker 1: quite cope with Jack.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's a little unnerving, isn't it?
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  Speaker 1: Well, when half of our school children in K through
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: 12 can't identify the three branches of government, we know
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  Speaker 1: we got problems on our hands. That just illustrates it
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: even further to a specific race point. Speaking of specific races, I,
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: Jack Windsor from the Ohio Press Network is going to
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: shed some light on State Representative Ishmael Muhammad, who's been
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: struggling with Jack Windsor's questioning of late. Also has some
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: residency problems. We'll learn about that with the Ohio Press
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  Speaker 1: Network's Jack Windsor next. Don't go away. 55KRC, the talk station.
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  Speaker 1: It's 847 and 55KRC, the talk station. It's Friday. Hope
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: you've got some great plans for the weekend. I'm going
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: to be at the Parkinson's Steady Stride event at the
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: Linder Family Tennis Center tomorrow beginning at 8 o'clock. It's
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: a great event. The biggest fundraiser for the Parkinson's Wellness
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: and Support Group that they have all year. Fun and games, food, music,
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: and activity. It's good for Parkinson's. It's good for the organization.
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  Speaker 1: So join me there tomorrow after 8. And Jack Windsor,
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: you can join him online every single day, and I
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: recommend you do. Bookmark the site, theohiopressnetwork.com, where you can
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: read about the antics of State Representative Ishmael Muhammad. What's
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: with this guy, Jack?
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  Speaker 4: Well, he has a bevy of issues, Brian. One is
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 4: a home. By the way, let me go back. State Rep.
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  Speaker 4: Ishmael Muhammad is a Democrat. He represents House District 3,
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  Speaker 4: which covers Linden, part of the University District, for those
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 4: of you in Cincinnati, northern Columbus, okay? It's all in
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  Speaker 4: Franklin County, his district. Well, Delaware County auditor records show
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  Speaker 4: Muhammad and a woman named Hoda Adhiz bought a nearly
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 4: $ 587, 000 home on Heather Ridge Drive in October 2025. And
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 4: the records list an owner occupancy credit. And that credit
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 4: applies to a person's main residence. That's problematic because Delaware
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 4: County is not in his district. So his opponent, Bernadine
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  Speaker 4: Kennedy Kent, challenged his voter registration. And the week before
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 4: the hearing, Muhammad changed his registration from one in-district address
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 4: to another And the challenge named the old address. So
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 4: on Monday, the Franklin County Board of Elections dismissed the
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 4: case unanimously. Ken's attorney, Kurt Hartman, came on my show.
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  Speaker 1: We talked.
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  Speaker 4: He says he will refile. He has refiled against the
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  Speaker 4: new address. The hearing is scheduled for September 28th. Muhammad
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  Speaker 4: and Adhiz were both in the room, sat on opposite
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  Speaker 4: sides in that hearing. His office will not comment. I've
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  Speaker 4: sent them two series of questions, about 20 questions total. Now,
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  Speaker 4: here's why this is problematic. The law, two separate rules.
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  Speaker 4: Article 2, Section 3 of the Ohio Constitution says a
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  Speaker 4: representative must live in the district for one full year
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  Speaker 4: before the election. Ohio Revised Code Section 3.15 says he
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  Speaker 4: must stay a resident for the whole term or forfeit
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  Speaker 4: the seat. The house was bought October 2025. The election,
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  Speaker 4: of course, is November 3rd of this year. He has
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 4: a money problem too, but I'll let you marinate in
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 4: that for just a minute.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I want to understand, the first filing shows him
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  Speaker 1: outside of the district. The second, the revised filing, is
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: it also outside of the district, the second residence he identified?
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  Speaker 4: So his, initially, the contest was against an address that
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 4: he had on record. He said it was address A,
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  Speaker 4: and they said, well, you signed documentation saying that this
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  Speaker 4: Delaware County residence is your residence, which is it.
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  Speaker 1: You only get one primary residence. Like if you have
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: a summer home in Florida, you either pick Florida as
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 1: your domicile state, you pick Ohio, but bottom line, you
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  Speaker 1: only have one. So the filing, it wasn't in his
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: filing to state his declaring for the race. It was
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  Speaker 1: independent of that. So in one record, he says he's
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  Speaker 1: in the district, and in another, he has identified it
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  Speaker 1: as his primary residence outside of the district.
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  Speaker 4: Correct. And to make matters more confusing, when the complaint
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  Speaker 4: came to the Board of Elections, he listed in a
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  Speaker 4: third address, a separate address in the district, not tied
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  Speaker 4: to that home, that $ 587, 000 home that he bought in
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  Speaker 4: Delaware County. So the contest now is against that new
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  Speaker 4: address that he listed, and they're contesting that he lives
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  Speaker 4: in Delaware County. And oh, by the way, I should
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  Speaker 4: mention this. Because he is required to file paperwork with
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  Speaker 4: an ethics committee on his assets as a lawmaker. The
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  Speaker 4: last time that he did that, he did not list
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  Speaker 4: the home in Delaware County on the form. The only
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  Speaker 4: time that you don't have to do that is if
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  Speaker 4: that home is your primary residence. His wife slash girlfriend,
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  Speaker 4: we have not been able to determine which she is
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  Speaker 4: because she lists herself as both, sent a letter to
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  Speaker 4: the Board of Elections and said, this is my boy
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  Speaker 4: or says that she's a girlfriend. that she lives in
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  Speaker 4: a separate place and that Delaware County is an investment property. Well,
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  Speaker 4: if that were the case, he would have and should
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 4: have and must have listed that property as an investment
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 4: property on his financial filings, and he didn't do that.
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  Speaker 4: So he has a lot of things going on where
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 4: he says one thing here, another thing there. They're not
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 4: adding up, and it could be extremely problematic.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I imagine this all would impact his taxes too,
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  Speaker 1: would it not, Jack?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, yes.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a tax that there's an IRS person out there,
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: maybe somebody within the state of Ohio that's responsible for
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: collecting Ohio taxes, property as well. You know, you get
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 1: a substantial discount, primary residence, like the homestead exemption, Jack.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that comes into play, doesn't it? Are there
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 1: school districts and teachers unions out there wondering why in
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 1: the hell you didn't pay? This is a complicated mess. Well,
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: hold your beer.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, good.
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: It's worse.
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  Speaker 3: So, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So there's a campaign finance complaint that was filed by
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  Speaker 4: Lisa Chafee. She's secretary of the Franklin County Republican Party.
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  Speaker 4: Per the complaint in the filings, the committee, his committee.
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  Speaker 4: reported a balance of ninety seven thousand dollars in change
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  Speaker 4: on a twenty twenty four post general election report. The
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty five annual report carries forward only three thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 4: So now the question is, where did ninety four thousand
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 4: dollars or ninety three thousand plus dollars go? By the way,
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 4: this is the same time. that if you look at
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  Speaker 4: his mortgage documentation, he put $ 58, 700 cash down on the
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 4: payment for the Delaware County House. So people are going, okay,
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  Speaker 4: we're not saying that some of that money came from
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 4: the campaign coffers, but they have not accounted for the
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 4: money in the campaign coffers. What's going on here? And
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  Speaker 4: I will remind you, if you're buying an almost $ 600, 000 house,
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 4: you can run the mortgage calculation on that.
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  Speaker 1: Brian, what is that?
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 4: $ 4, 000, $ 5, 000 a month, probably just ballparking it. If you're
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 4: a state representative, what do you make, 70? So the
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 4: math ain't math in there.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe he's a Nepo baby.
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  Speaker 4: Well, perhaps.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just throwing it out there.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I got to be careful what I say,
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 4: but when you talk Nepo baby and you're talking about
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 4: the Somali community, there is a lot of money sharing
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 4: that has gone on in other parts of the country.
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 4: Not saying that's going on here, but if it were
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 4: going on, it might. It might make a lot more sense. Well,
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  Speaker 4: this all seems at least worthy of investigation. Jack, when's
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 4: he been trying to? He just won't answer any questions.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know if any authorities are involved in this
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  Speaker 4: by any chance?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, they are.
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  Speaker 4: I can say now here's the part, the campaign finance part.
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  Speaker 1: I will tell you this.
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  Speaker 4: The secretary of state has an investigative unit. Generally, though,
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 4: they work with candidates and committees to bring them into compliance.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 4: They're not trying to do a gotcha. They're trying to say, listen,
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 4: here's how you have to do it. If you're going
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 4: to do it, if you can account for it, this
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 4: is what you need to do. But the Secretary of
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 4: State's office is looking into this matter. The Board of
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 4: Elections is looking into this matter. I have every indication
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 4: now that the mortgage company is looking into this matter
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 4: because when he signed the mortgage document, he pledged to
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 4: be in that home within 60 days in order for
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 4: that mortgage to be in effect and that it would
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 4: be his primary residence. If he's saying it's not his
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 4: primary residence, he now has a problem with the mortgage company.
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  Speaker 1: I just wrote Attorney General down. So you may have
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: a problem with the Attorney General too, Jack Windsor.
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  Speaker 4: And maybe the FBI.
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  Speaker 1: There you have it. We'll get everybody involved. Ishmael Muhammad,
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 1: state representative, state of Ohio. Jack Windsor, theohiopressnetwork.com. Bookmark it.
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: You'll be glad you did. And you can read more
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 1: about Mr. Ishmael or Mr. Muhammad down the road because
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: I'm sure Jack will answer all the questions that are pending. Jack,
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  Speaker 1: we'll do this again next Friday, my friend. Have a
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 1: wonderful weekend.