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Credlin | 14 August · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krendlin live on Skyins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the show. Great to have your company.
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Speaker 2: He's what's coming up on Kredline. Australia's an education train wreck.
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Speaker 2: We've never spent more money in this portfolio in history.
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Speaker 2: Today's Naplan results couldn't be worse and it all comes
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Speaker 2: down to abandoning the basics and filling up the curriculum
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Speaker 2: with fads, activism and indoctrination. Albanese's record high migration has
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Speaker 2: delivered a new era for Australia, with more than a
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Speaker 2: third of all Australians now born overseas. Compare that with
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Speaker 2: Britain hit sixteen percent and just fourteen percent in the
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Speaker 2: United States. Last Opposition leader Peter Dutton declares today that
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Speaker 2: no one should be allowed to come to Australia from
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Speaker 2: Gaza at all, and labor under pressure in the Parliament
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Speaker 2: is the lack of comprehensive VISA security checks is laid bare.
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Speaker 3: Does supporting a listed terrorist organization like AMAS pass Australia's
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Speaker 3: character test.
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Speaker 4: Has any agency expressed any concern about any individual who
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Speaker 4: has arrived from the Gaza war zone since October the seventh.
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Speaker 5: Has the Minister been lobbied by anyone in his electorate
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Speaker 5: or any other electorate for a visa?
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Speaker 6: Have any been granted without an ASIO security assessment been made?
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Speaker 2: But first to live in Australia is to have won
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Speaker 2: the lottery of life.
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Speaker 7: So a question that should.
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Speaker 2: Be posed more often just what is in Australia's national
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Speaker 2: interest when it comes to our immigration program. Now, if
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Speaker 2: you ask me, immigration should be run primarily for the
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Speaker 2: benefit of Australia and the citizens here, and not primarily
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Speaker 2: for the benefit of the migrants themselves. That's why Peter
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Speaker 2: Dutton was right to say today that we should take
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Speaker 2: no immigrants none whatsoever from Gaza.
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Speaker 3: Mass is a listed terrorist organization. They've just committed an
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Speaker 3: atrocity against the Jewish people, the biggest attack on people
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Speaker 3: of Jewish faith since a Holocaust, and that the government
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Speaker 3: wouldn't be conducting Czechs. I don't think people should be
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Speaker 3: coming in from that war zone at all at the moment.
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Speaker 3: It's not prudent to do so, and I think it
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Speaker 3: puts our national security at risk, given that.
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Speaker 2: There's already been a great deal of social tension, including
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Speaker 2: ramp and anti Semitism. That's been fueled by some poorly
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Speaker 2: integrated migrant groups. Why make a bad situation worse by
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Speaker 2: importing more of the world's problems. I mean, look at
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Speaker 2: what's happening.
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Speaker 8: The trees will seek, the soul will speak, and I'll say,
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Speaker 8: believe there is a Yahoo the behind me, Come and
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Speaker 8: kill him.
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Speaker 9: Sifa Mini fatilahud Hiah and Nahum Shaama.
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Speaker 2: Most Garzens support her Maas, which is absolutely dedicated to
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Speaker 2: wiping Israel off the map and the murder of millions
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Speaker 2: of Jews. Is that the attitude we want more of
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Speaker 2: here in Australia. Well, of course not, and only people
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Speaker 2: who've let misguided compassion trump common sense could think otherwise.
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Speaker 2: A March poll conducted by the Foundation for the Defense
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Speaker 2: of Democracies found that only seven percent of Gazans blame
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Speaker 2: Hamas for their predicament. It found that seventy one percent
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Speaker 2: of Palestinians supported the October seven massacres, and it found
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Speaker 2: that fifty nine percent of Palestinians thought that Hummas should
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Speaker 2: rule Gaza. And don't forget that Ghazans voted Hamas into
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Speaker 2: office to be their government the last time elections were held.
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Speaker 2: In another poll, this one in June conducted by the
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Speaker 2: Palestinian Center for Policy and surveyed research, fifty four percent
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Speaker 2: of Palestinians supported armed struggle and that seventy one percent
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Speaker 2: wanted Humas to rule Gaza after the present conflict had ended. Remember,
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Speaker 2: under both political parties, Hummas has long been a listed
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Speaker 2: terror group in this country. A Senator James Patterson said
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Speaker 2: yesterday the acceptable number of Humas supporters here in Australia
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Speaker 2: is zero. Yet lots of Hummas supporters is inevitably what
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Speaker 2: we'll get if we allow lots of Gazans to come
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Speaker 2: to Australia. Before today's new set of official numbers, we
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Speaker 2: were told that some thirteen hundred Gazans were led into
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Speaker 2: Australia on visitors visas.
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Speaker 7: Since October seven.
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Speaker 2: When we find out today that number is actually fifteen hundred,
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Speaker 2: and that all up there's been close to three thousand
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Speaker 2: Garzens granted a visa to travel here. Now, with its
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Speaker 2: back to the wall over threats of a Muslim backlash
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Speaker 2: in ki Labour seats, the Albineezi government wants to convert
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Speaker 2: these visitor visas to permanent ones, with all the rights
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Speaker 2: that come with that citizenship. Welfare, medicare and more. It's
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Speaker 2: fair to say to I think we all have sympathy
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Speaker 2: for people at risk from Israel's just war against him US.
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Speaker 2: But if they're fellow Muslims and neighbors of Egypt and
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Speaker 2: Jordan and Saudi Arabia refuse to take Gazans, not one
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Speaker 2: because they think radical Islamism is a deadly threat to
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Speaker 2: their own Muslim societies. Why should Australia take any given
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Speaker 2: the trouble that Islam is simple thighs are already causing here,
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Speaker 2: like the near riot outside of Sydney Council meeting last night. Today,
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Speaker 2: the government said there was nothing to worry about because
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Speaker 2: there would be security checks.
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Speaker 7: But listen carefully.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister's pushed on ASIO doing these checks, not
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Speaker 2: just immigration officials remotely in Canberra, and he fudges yet again.
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Speaker 10: Well, listen to the security agencies when it comes to
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Speaker 10: national security and the.
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Speaker 11: Director General, Mike Burgess.
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Speaker 10: Will play a critical role in that. And you know,
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Speaker 10: I seek to try to bring people together, not always
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Speaker 10: looking for a wage or to divide.
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Speaker 2: Why not refer it all to Asio, Why not out
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Speaker 2: Yo decide they are ent visa every.
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Speaker 9: Yech what they do.
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Speaker 7: There's security checks. They're not law referred to ASIO.
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Speaker 2: And we know why he couldn't say our top agency
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Speaker 2: is checking them all because the boss admitted, the ASIO
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Speaker 2: boss on the weekend that they're not checking everyone, only
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Speaker 2: those that are referred to them.
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Speaker 1: Those from Gaza who've come here have gone through the
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Speaker 1: very standard checks.
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Speaker 12: They've gone through a visa birth, they've been issued a visa,
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Speaker 12: they've gone through the process. Part of that visa process
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Speaker 12: is with criteria hit. They're referred to my organization and
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Speaker 12: AZIO does its thing.
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Speaker 2: Now believe me as security check by an immigration bureaucrat
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Speaker 2: in under twenty four hours.
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Speaker 7: And that's what we know is happening. Well, that's no
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Speaker 7: security check at all.
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Speaker 2: And we've also just found out that rhetorical support for
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Speaker 2: hamas is not regarded in Australia now as a disqualification
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Speaker 2: for a visa, only what they regard as material support.
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Speaker 2: So what's that mean Anyone from Gaza is allowed in
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Speaker 2: except those people that ASIO fear if they get an
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Speaker 2: actual referral. Were harmas fighters? I mean, seriously, are we mad?
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Speaker 2: Let's be very clear what the Prime Minister is doing here.
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Speaker 2: He's jeopardizing our future as a cohesive and harmonious society
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Speaker 2: in order to placate militant Muslim groups in some of
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Speaker 2: his safe seats.
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Speaker 7: Now, frankly, this is.
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Speaker 2: A disgrace and utterly unworthy of any Australian government, for
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Speaker 2: which the safety of Australians must always come first. New
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Speaker 2: data out today confirms what we've long suspected that Australian
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Speaker 2: schools are not doing a good enough job and are
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Speaker 2: letting down our country and our children. The results of
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Speaker 2: standardized nap Land tests show that almost a third of
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Speaker 2: students are not meaning acceptable minimum levels of literacy and numeracy,
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Speaker 2: and about ten percent of all students are so far
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Speaker 2: behind that it urgent remedial teaching. It shows that the
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Speaker 2: children of university educated parents and the children of migrant
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Speaker 2: parents do much better than average, and it also shows
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Speaker 2: that Indigenous students on average are four times as likely
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Speaker 2: to be falling behind. But this is just the latest
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Speaker 2: piece of hard evidence that our schools are badly failing.
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Speaker 2: What's needed is urgent and substantial policy change to end
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Speaker 2: educational fads and to get all schools back to the
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Speaker 2: basics that have been proven for decades to work. Now
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Speaker 2: good on the New South Wales Men's government for its
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Speaker 2: recent announced commitments to phonics and to a more specific
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Speaker 2: fact based curriculum. But don't underestimate the ability of cultural
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Speaker 2: Marxists inside the bureaucracy and the teachers' unions to sabotage
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Speaker 2: the good intentions of government. We've still got the National
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Speaker 2: Cross curriculum priorities enshrine in every single subject. We've got
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Speaker 2: to have Asian, Indigenous and sustainability perspectives built in. Is
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Speaker 2: if there's some sort of Asian chemistry or Indigenous maths. Now,
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Speaker 2: what's really needed, as much as a more rigorous academic
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Speaker 2: curriculum is more principal autonomy, more engagement from mums and dads,
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Speaker 2: and much better teachers. I mean, teaching should be the
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Speaker 2: course you do because your marks. Shouldn't be the course
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Speaker 2: you do because your marks weren't good enough for you
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Speaker 2: to do anything else. At least in the early years
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Speaker 2: of schooling. Classrooms have to be highly structured, highly disciplined
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Speaker 2: places where basic facts and essential knowledge drummed into kids,
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Speaker 2: often via wrote learning. Now, none of this nonsense about
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Speaker 2: the teacher being a guide by your side. That's just
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Speaker 2: a recipe for chaos for years the educational activists to
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Speaker 2: push the fads and as a consequence, where plummeted in
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Speaker 2: international rankings. It's one of the reasons the teacher unions
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Speaker 2: hate then applan test because they don't want you to
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Speaker 2: know just how.
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Speaker 7: Badly our kids are failing.
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Speaker 2: But they will keep failing unless we all demand change,
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Speaker 2: because the definition of insanity is to keep doing the
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Speaker 2: same thing and hoping for a different result, from the
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Speaker 2: lucky country to the clever country to what the dumb country.
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Speaker 7: No one can be proud of.
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Speaker 2: That hectic day in Canberra prefering question time, we'll get
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Speaker 2: the headlines now in sky News political reporter Treating Macintosh revelations.
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Speaker 8: Thousands of Palestinians in Gaza have been denied visas to
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Speaker 8: come to Australia as the Opposition leader demands a total ban.
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Speaker 3: I don't think people should be coming in from that
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Speaker 3: war zone at all at the moment.
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Speaker 8: Peter Dutton's intervention a captain's call, but seenior front benches
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Speaker 8: have told sky News they weren't surprised with the tougher roach.
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Speaker 8: One called it a natural evolution of the position. From
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Speaker 8: this week. The Coalition has been calling for greater security
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Speaker 8: checks to prevent people who've expressed sympathy for terror group
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Speaker 8: for Masks from being granted a visa. Sky News revealed
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Speaker 8: more than seven thousand Palestinians had visas rejected since October seven.
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Speaker 8: In total, around twenty nine hundred Palestinians have been granted
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Speaker 8: a visa, but only thirteen hundred have arrived.
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Speaker 13: Humus controls the Gaza strip. It is as simple as
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Speaker 13: that you need to put Australia and Australians first.
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Speaker 8: Labor and the Coalition appear on the cusp of securing
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Speaker 8: a deal to clean up the CFMU. The Government opened
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Speaker 8: to making changes after talks between Minister Murray Watt and
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Speaker 8: the opposition's Mechlia Cash. The Senate is set to vote
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Speaker 8: on the amended plan to appoint an administrator for the
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Speaker 8: union mid allegations of misconduct.
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Speaker 13: If they are dicom about cleaning up the cfmau take
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Speaker 13: on board the Coalition's reasonable amendments.
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Speaker 8: And a third of Australian students are failing to meet
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Speaker 8: basic literacy and numeracy standards. That's a verdict from this
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Speaker 8: year's NAP Plan results, sparking widespread calls for reform.
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Speaker 1: It is bloody serious, is the way I describe it.
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Speaker 1: And it's not just Indigenous kids, it's poor kids, it's
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Speaker 1: kids from the region as well.
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Speaker 13: We have to get back to basics in the classroom
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Speaker 13: with evidence based teaching methods.
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Speaker 14: Every Australian child deserves no less.
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Speaker 8: Trudy Macintosh Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 7: For more on all of that.
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Speaker 2: I'm joining now my sky New's host and national affairs
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Speaker 2: editor for The Daily Telegraph, James Morrow, sky New senior
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Speaker 2: reporter too, Carolyn Marcus. Welcome to you both. I made
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Speaker 2: the point before that package. It was a very fiery
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Speaker 2: question time today. A lot of questions in detail on Gaza.
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Speaker 2: A lot of information coming through too that security checks
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Speaker 2: just aren't happening. I'll get into that with Tony Abbott
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Speaker 2: in a moment. But Labor have tried to fudge this
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Speaker 2: issue now for months, so try to pretend they're doing
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Speaker 2: everything to keep Australian safe. They are implying that we're
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Speaker 2: cruel if we don't open our borders to anyone who
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Speaker 2: wants to leave from Gaza.
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Speaker 7: Have a listen.
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Speaker 1: I'd invite Peter Dutton to come to my electorate and
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Speaker 1: meet the people who've come here from Gaza. There's more
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Speaker 1: than a thousand people from Gaza here. Now, these are
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Speaker 1: people who've had their home blown up, They've had their
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Speaker 1: school blown up, who've had their hospital blown up. In
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Speaker 1: some cases, have had their kids blown up. Come and
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Speaker 1: visit them, look them in the eyes, and I think
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Speaker 1: that he'll learn a bit.
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Speaker 7: Now, James.
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Speaker 2: We know there are no face to face security interviews.
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Speaker 2: We know the paperwork, if anyone has it, comes from
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Speaker 2: the Palestine in authority, so make your own value judgment
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Speaker 2: about that.
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Speaker 7: And a lot more of.
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Speaker 2: The visas have been issued than we were previously told.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 2: I think this has been done to win votes in
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Speaker 2: key Sydney Muslim seats, but I think politically for Labor
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Speaker 2: everywhere else in the country, this is a nightmare for them.
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Speaker 15: Oh, I agree one hundred percent, Peter. I mean, if
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Speaker 15: you think about what's going on here, this is the
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Speaker 15: worst sort of ethnic pandering. You know, Labor loves to
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Speaker 15: do an ethnic pander. We know that this is in
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Speaker 15: their DNA, but this is really much more serious because,
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Speaker 15: as you rightly pointed out, people who come from Gaza
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Speaker 15: on average are very likely to be supporters of Hamas
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Speaker 15: we are importing Hamas potentially with our humanitarianism here. And
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Speaker 15: I want to make another point too. You know, if
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Speaker 15: you listen to Jason Clair's language in that little grab
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Speaker 15: that you just played there, listen to the way he
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Speaker 15: talks about this, you know, Oh, their schools have been
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Speaker 15: blown up, their hospitals have blown up, and it seems
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Speaker 15: like he's trying to put the otus here that this
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Speaker 15: is all somehow Israel's fault, when it is in fact
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Speaker 15: Hamas's fault, and it is Hamas that hides behind the
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Speaker 15: human shields of Gaza. Tragically, they're the ones who are
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Speaker 15: responsible for it. This sort of game playing that they're doing,
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Speaker 15: I think is very sinister, and I suspect that outside,
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Speaker 15: there's some of these seats here, you know, Tony Burke seats,
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Speaker 15: a few other seats of people are going to be
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Speaker 15: rightfully furious about this idea that these people could come
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Speaker 15: and potentially never leave. I think that this is just
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Speaker 15: a disaster waiting to happen.
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Speaker 2: Ask yourself, why the Muslim Arab neighbors of Gaza refuse
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Speaker 2: to take any of these people. Ask yourself that Let's
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Speaker 2: go to Naplay and Caroline shocking results out today, four
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand children are so far behind.
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Speaker 7: At school they need tutoring.
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Speaker 2: In a nutshell, we've got about a third of all
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Speaker 2: students failing baseline standards for reading in maths. We've also
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Speaker 2: got a real problem with teenage boys, in particular, they're
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Speaker 2: falling further and further behind by the time they reach
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Speaker 2: year nine. Now, teachers and the teacher unions are happy
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Speaker 2: to denounce an Zac Day. They want to see their
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Speaker 2: students march for climate change in Palestine and promote gender fluidity.
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Speaker 2: But they're not teaching the basics. They're not teaching reading, numeracy, writing.
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Speaker 2: That's the problem, and they worry for everybody. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you might say I don't have kids in school at
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Speaker 2: the moment, or my grandchildren have long left the system,
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Speaker 2: But these poorly educated young Australians will one day run
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Speaker 2: the country.
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Speaker 7: So we're all impacted. We all should care.
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Speaker 14: Absolutely.
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Speaker 16: They won't only be our future leaders, they'll be our
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Speaker 16: future policy makers, lawmakers. They'll be our future teachers themselves,
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Speaker 16: teaching the future generations of kids.
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Speaker 14: And what hope will they have.
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Speaker 16: I mean, this is exactly the problem when you have
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Speaker 16: an education system that seems to put activism before arithmetics,
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Speaker 16: social justice, before the sciences. I grew up in Singapore
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Speaker 16: and I can tell you, Peter, this is not happening there.
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Speaker 16: And the kids in Singapore in the school system are
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Speaker 16: doing far better than they are here. And these results
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Speaker 16: today they show one in three students are below the
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Speaker 16: baseline standard in reading and maths children as you referred
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Speaker 16: to earlier, they're well ahead of Australian born kids, including
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Speaker 16: in English, and for boys it's so bleak by the
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Speaker 16: time they get to high school though, four times as likely.
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Speaker 14: Twice as likely as girls to be functionally illiterate.
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Speaker 16: I mean, what good is it marching for Palestine when
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Speaker 16: you can't even spell it? But you know the failures
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Speaker 16: within the education system, they go beyond just reading and maths,
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Speaker 16: I mean even history, in particular World War Two. I
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Speaker 16: expose today on Sky News exclusively a report about how
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Speaker 16: a boys school, a Catholic boys' school, is being investigated
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Speaker 16: by New South Wales police.
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Speaker 14: The students who were involved in this for.
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Speaker 16: Sending anti Semitic messages, including a video one of the
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Speaker 16: boys in full school uniform making the Nazi salute and
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Speaker 16: doing a mimicking of the Hitler mustache are sending them
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Speaker 16: to their peers at a Jewish school East Suburbs here
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Speaker 16: in Sydney. They sent messages like Kyle Hitler, images of
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Speaker 16: gas pumps and swastika, some of which you're seeing on
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Speaker 16: the screen now.
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Speaker 14: It's really frightening stuff.
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Speaker 16: I can't tell you whether these students are actually going
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Speaker 16: to be expelled or suspended by the school, which is
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Speaker 16: Marcellen College, Randwick, because they won't tell me that. They
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Speaker 16: say they are taking disciplinary action.
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Speaker 14: But what I can tell.
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Speaker 16: You confidently is that we have a real problem in
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Speaker 16: the education system and in our homes.
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Speaker 14: If boys who.
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Speaker 16: Are fifteen sixteen years old, as these boys were, do
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Speaker 16: not understand that it is wrong to troll Jewish kids, mimicking,
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Speaker 16: making a mockery out of the Holocaust. If they can't
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Speaker 16: see that that's wrong, something is going very, very wrong
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Speaker 16: in our schools and in our homes.
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Speaker 7: You're not wrong, Caroline.
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Speaker 2: Let's stay with the broader issue of migration. We led
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Speaker 2: from the show at the top of the show tonight,
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Speaker 2: James must hit cut migration, but the analysis shows it's
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Speaker 2: all talk. The impact is one point one five million
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Speaker 2: migrants have come to Australia since the Prime Minister was elected.
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Speaker 2: That's a massive sixty two percent increase on the numbers
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Speaker 2: that were the record in the rud Guillard era. The
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Speaker 2: highest numbers are coming from India, followed by China and
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Speaker 2: the Philippines. And here's the most telling statistic. This means
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Speaker 2: that as a proportion of Australia's population, our overseas born
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Speaker 2: since just over thirty percent. Now compare that to the
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Speaker 2: United States where it's fourteen percent and sixteen percent in Britain.
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Speaker 2: You've written about this exclusively today for the papers.
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Speaker 7: These numbers are astonishing.
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Speaker 15: Well, they really are. They show that in the twenty
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Speaker 15: seven months of the Albanese government, so this first term
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Speaker 15: hasn't even been completed yet, of a labor government, they
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Speaker 15: have let in five times more people than the than
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Speaker 15: they've led, more people than the whole Keating government which
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Speaker 15: lasted five times as long. And this analysis found that
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Speaker 15: by far this parliamentary term has been the most generous
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Speaker 15: in terms of migrants. And as you say, those migrants
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Speaker 15: are coming from all over the world. China, India, Nepal,
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Speaker 15: Colombia is right up on there. I found that one
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Speaker 15: to be interesting. Idn't know we had a huge Columbian
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Speaker 15: population growing here. But there you go. But the other
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Speaker 15: point too, about the percentage of Australians that are overseas born.
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Speaker 15: You know, that's twice as many as we have in
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Speaker 15: the UK, and we've seen how the social cohesion is
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Speaker 15: working over there not particularly well. My big concern, Peta
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Speaker 15: is that you know, we aren't doing a great job
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Speaker 15: of turning new migrants into Australians. We should be doing that,
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Speaker 15: but you know, you look at things like the Multiculturalism
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Speaker 15: Framework Review that was issued just the other week. They're
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Speaker 15: talking about doing citizenships in other languages. So you know,
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Speaker 15: we need more effort to also with these people we
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Speaker 15: bring in. Besides cutting the numbers so infrastructure can keep up.
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Speaker 15: The people that we do bring in, we need to
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Speaker 15: make sure that they're welcomed properly and absorbed with the
22:13
Speaker 15: values of our Australian family.
22:17
Speaker 2: And clearly we got that right for many, many years.
22:20
Speaker 2: I think we've lost our way and we should be
22:22
Speaker 2: allowed to have that conversation absolutely without being held down
22:25
Speaker 2: and called racist, particularly when you think of the volumes
22:27
Speaker 2: that are coming in at the moment. Caroline, I have
22:30
Speaker 2: to raise a difficult international issue and I raise it
22:33
Speaker 2: because I know you're just just concerned about this is
22:34
Speaker 2: me reports out of the Middle East this week that
22:37
Speaker 2: Iraq's parliaments planning to effectively lower the age for girls
22:41
Speaker 2: to marry. They want to bring it down to nine.
22:44
Speaker 2: This is in line with Sharia, which is Islamic law.
22:47
Speaker 2: The stats are pretty shocking. Twenty eight percent of young
22:50
Speaker 2: girls in Iraq a married before the age of eighteen.
22:54
Speaker 2: About a quarter of the marriages are unregistered, so these
22:57
Speaker 2: are girls under the age of fourteen. Now, we had
23:01
Speaker 2: soldiers involved in Iraq. We fought to free Iraq. These
23:07
Speaker 2: announcements like this are pretty horrific.
23:09
Speaker 7: Don't you think.
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Speaker 16: Horrific is just not a strong enough word for it, Peter,
23:15
Speaker 16: I mean, this is child abuse, it's child rape. Let's
23:19
Speaker 16: call it what it is. And other than just being
23:23
Speaker 16: plainly wrong to force a child as young as nine
23:27
Speaker 16: into marriage and completely take away their childhood and innocence
23:32
Speaker 16: for them, I mean, the research show is that early
23:35
Speaker 16: forced marriage leads to health complications, and it doesn't take
23:38
Speaker 16: as scientist to work.
23:39
Speaker 14: Out why that is.
23:41
Speaker 16: It leads to restrictions on education and employment opportunities and
23:46
Speaker 16: financial opportunities and outlook and increases the risk of domestic violence.
23:51
Speaker 16: But where is the outcry from Western feminists over this issue?
23:57
Speaker 16: Why are they up in arms about what's happening there.
24:01
Speaker 16: They're too busy crying over microaggressions and the slightest trigger
24:07
Speaker 16: warnings not being put on content. They're too busy crying
24:12
Speaker 16: into the Kafirs. I guess to make points when it
24:16
Speaker 16: comes to issues in.
24:19
Speaker 14: The Middle East in.
24:21
Speaker 16: Islamist countries, so I think that's the real shame here too.
24:27
Speaker 2: You're not wrong, Caroline and James, Thank you both. I
24:30
Speaker 2: would have moved now to some issues out of the
24:31
Speaker 2: United States where a former Australian Prime ministers making headlines
24:34
Speaker 2: for all the wrong reasons as a China apologist.
24:39
Speaker 7: It was just last week the.
24:40
Speaker 2: Paul Kidding claimed that the island of Taiwan was in
24:43
Speaker 2: fact Chinese real estate, downplaying the severity of a Chinese invasion. Now.
24:48
Speaker 2: I don't know if I agree with former Democrat House
24:50
Speaker 2: Speaker Nancy Pelosi, but her assessment of Keating was spot on.
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Speaker 17: Well, you don't want to get my description of him
24:58
Speaker 17: for saying that it's ridiculous it is not Chinese real estate,
25:02
Speaker 17: and he should know that Taiwan is Taiwan and it
25:08
Speaker 17: is of the people of Taiwan who have a democracy there.
25:12
Speaker 17: I think that was a stupid statement with or I
25:15
Speaker 17: have no idea about Keating, but I think it was
25:17
Speaker 17: a stupid statement.
25:21
Speaker 7: I never wanted to go quietly.
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Speaker 2: Kenny has returned fire, labeling Pelosi as recklessly indulgent to
25:27
Speaker 2: discuss these and more. Foreign Editor of Australian Greg Sheridan, Well, Greg, look,
25:32
Speaker 2: is this just too old? Has been trading blows across
25:36
Speaker 2: the Pacific? Or does it expose some sort of fault
25:39
Speaker 2: line on the left over China?
25:44
Speaker 12: Yeah, Pet, great to be with you. Look, Nancy Pelosi
25:47
Speaker 12: is a formidable old dame. Let's face it, And I mean,
25:51
Speaker 12: I haven't agreed with a lot of our domestic politics,
25:53
Speaker 12: but she is a true democrat. She cares about human
25:57
Speaker 12: rights and democracy. I thought Keating's comments were typically morally
26:03
Speaker 12: infamous and strategically obtuse. So Keating simply doesn't care about
26:08
Speaker 12: a Pacific democracy of twenty three or twenty five million people.
26:12
Speaker 12: Since eighteen ninety five, Taiwan has been under Chinese control
26:16
Speaker 12: for four years, never under communist control, and never under
26:19
Speaker 12: mainland Chinese control. Since nine forty nine. So self determination
26:25
Speaker 12: and human rights mean nothing. So what if one day
26:28
Speaker 12: we're under attack, The Keatings of the world will be saying, well,
26:33
Speaker 12: who cares about Australia, It's not our issue, doesn't really matter.
26:37
Speaker 12: They're all funny European society on the edge of Asia.
26:40
Speaker 12: Why should we It's Asian territory. So I think there's
26:44
Speaker 12: a real terrible moral obstiousness. The only thing I'd say
26:48
Speaker 12: I agree with Keating about, though, is that we are
26:51
Speaker 12: ludicrously over dependent on the Americans. So I support ORCAS,
26:55
Speaker 12: I support nuclear submarines and everything, but we're not going
26:57
Speaker 12: to get anything, any capability at all for another ten years,
27:01
Speaker 12: and in the meantime we're doing absolutely nothing. Now, one
27:04
Speaker 12: day an American president will say, guess what, I got
27:07
Speaker 12: something better to do than defend Australia, And we have
27:10
Speaker 12: no military capability, and even the opposition is only very
27:15
Speaker 12: tepidly getting into this issue. I think in a way,
27:18
Speaker 12: ORCAS has become a monumental distraction for the country because
27:23
Speaker 12: it's an excuse for both sides of politics to do
27:26
Speaker 12: absolutely nothing about defense.
27:30
Speaker 2: Give me your take on the US election and how
27:32
Speaker 2: things are tracking. There's been an amalgamation of recent national polls.
27:36
Speaker 2: They've all been collated by five point thirty eight and
27:39
Speaker 2: it says that Kamala Harris is ahead of Donald Trump
27:42
Speaker 2: by just under three points. So do you see this
27:46
Speaker 2: as a honeymoon period for Kamala Harris?
27:49
Speaker 7: Greg Or?
27:50
Speaker 2: Is this now building evidence that the Trump campaign is
27:55
Speaker 2: in real trouble.
27:58
Speaker 5: Now?
27:58
Speaker 12: Peter, I think Trump is in real trouble. I think
28:00
Speaker 12: Kamala Harris has the potential to be a disastrous president,
28:03
Speaker 12: particularly for Australia. You know, she favors cutting the defense budget.
28:09
Speaker 12: She's identified with every destructive left wing cause in the book.
28:13
Speaker 12: But I can't believe how badly Trump has campaigned since
28:16
Speaker 12: Harris has been announced. So she's got massive advantage of
28:20
Speaker 12: him in funding. She's there is now an enthusiasm gap
28:24
Speaker 12: in favor of her. Whereas he was going to beat
28:27
Speaker 12: Biden decisively, not only was he leading in the polls,
28:30
Speaker 12: but Republicans were much more enthusiastic than Democrats. Right at
28:34
Speaker 12: the moment, Democrats are more enthusiastic than Republicans. They're giving
28:38
Speaker 12: her a very soft run. She hasn't had to do
28:41
Speaker 12: a single interview since she announced as a candidate. But
28:45
Speaker 12: Trump's campaigning. I thought Vance was a terrible mistake. It's
28:49
Speaker 12: good Man Vance, lovely memoir, and I'm glad he's a
28:51
Speaker 12: convert to Catholicism and everything, but he had no money
28:54
Speaker 12: in the bank, he was not a national figure and
28:57
Speaker 12: he didn't extend Trump's coalition at all. Nicki Hayley would
29:00
Speaker 12: have been an infinitely better choice, or Marco Rubio. And
29:03
Speaker 12: then since then, Trump has indulged in weird personal attacks
29:07
Speaker 12: on Kamala Harris, and then he's always talking about the past.
29:11
Speaker 12: He's never He's still trying to litigate the election last time,
29:16
Speaker 12: which everyone knows he lost fair and square, instead of
29:20
Speaker 12: concentrating on issues like illegal immigration, inflation, cost of living,
29:25
Speaker 12: government debt, and deficit, crime in inner cities. I'm just
29:28
Speaker 12: back from the US, and crime in the inner cities
29:31
Speaker 12: is disastrous right throughout America. So I can't believe how
29:35
Speaker 12: badly Trump is. Campaign still a long way to go,
29:38
Speaker 12: and he might come back and win, but I think
29:40
Speaker 12: he's in a lot of trouble.
29:43
Speaker 2: I thought what he did beautifully and uncharacteristically for Trump
29:47
Speaker 2: was in and around the R and C conference and
29:51
Speaker 2: the attempt on his life. He went quiet, and he
29:55
Speaker 2: allowed after the debate Biden to become the story for
29:58
Speaker 2: the scrutiny to be on Biden. Of course unraveled pretty
30:00
Speaker 2: quickly when they had nowhere to hide, when Trump wasn't
30:03
Speaker 2: the distraction the media around it on Biden. We obviously
30:07
Speaker 2: have seen the result of that since then. He's he's
30:11
Speaker 2: his own worst enemy, you know. I mean, Hillary Clinton
30:14
Speaker 2: lost the election when she ran more than Donald Trump
30:18
Speaker 2: won it. And it feels to me that that unless
30:20
Speaker 2: he's careful, unless he attacks her over her terrible record
30:24
Speaker 2: rather than than a personality and a personal traits, this
30:30
Speaker 2: will be something that Donald Trump loses rather than Harris wins.
30:34
Speaker 2: And she's not under any pressure. You make the point
30:36
Speaker 2: about no media interviews. Where's the pressure for her to
30:40
Speaker 2: get out there and make an account for herself.
30:43
Speaker 12: Well of the media in America is pro Harris and
30:46
Speaker 12: Andy Trump. So Trump has, as they say, a high
30:50
Speaker 12: floor and a low ceiling. He'll get like he got
30:52
Speaker 12: last time, forty six or forty seven percent of the vote. Now,
30:55
Speaker 12: if he could add two percent of that, he'll win.
30:58
Speaker 12: But he's done nothing to to that at all. As
31:01
Speaker 12: soon as Harris got into the race. Trump said, she's
31:03
Speaker 12: a bum. I've got three adult sons. If they referred
31:06
Speaker 12: to any woman in those terms, I'd call them out.
31:09
Speaker 12: I'd say, I don't want you to speak that way.
31:12
Speaker 12: But that's the president, that's the former president, and the
31:16
Speaker 12: voters he needs the independence. The centrists and especially suburban
31:23
Speaker 12: women are repelled by that. Now they are wanting to
31:27
Speaker 12: vote against Harris. They don't go with her agenda, but
31:30
Speaker 12: they are repelled by that kind of behavior. Jdvan is
31:33
Speaker 12: a lovely guy and all that, but he made his
31:36
Speaker 12: he came to prominence by being a bit of a
31:39
Speaker 12: lout on extreme talk TV. Well, you can't designate all
31:45
Speaker 12: women who don't have children as unhappy, unsuccessful cat ladies.
31:51
Speaker 12: I mean, that's the equivalent of Hillary Clinton calling all
31:53
Speaker 12: of Trump's voters a basket of deplorables. I mean, it's
31:56
Speaker 12: just astonishing to me. Trump campaigns so effective against Biden,
32:01
Speaker 12: and as you say, brilliantly in that debate, brilliantly at
32:04
Speaker 12: the Republican National Convention, but he's just so been so
32:08
Speaker 12: disconcerted by Harris. And I think it is true he
32:11
Speaker 12: has trouble campaigning against women because he is naturally a
32:15
Speaker 12: bully and when a big, old white guy is trying
32:19
Speaker 12: to bully a female opponent, it just looks horrible.
32:25
Speaker 2: Greg, thank you for your time. I think he can
32:28
Speaker 2: still get there. I think he's got the middle of
32:29
Speaker 2: the country, but I think it's getting tight and it's
32:32
Speaker 2: close to getting away from.
32:34
Speaker 7: Him all right.
32:34
Speaker 2: After the rate, We're going to talk visas and security
32:36
Speaker 2: checks with Tony Abbot, who knows.
32:38
Speaker 7: A fair bit about this issue.
32:40
Speaker 2: It's derailing Labour's reelection bid at the moment. Plus why
32:44
Speaker 2: the latest migration numbers point to US becoming a Hotel
32:47
Speaker 2: Australia rather than Team Australia Divided rather.
32:51
Speaker 7: Than United.
32:58
Speaker 2: Welcome back, Still the calm twenty five thousand pro Palestinian
33:02
Speaker 2: Antifata protesters set to lock up Melbourne next month, and
33:07
Speaker 2: claims of dodgy grants to the Voice Yes campaign exposed
33:12
Speaker 2: at first. Peter Darton has yet shown yet again how
33:15
Speaker 2: Coalition government would differ from labor by declaring a too
33:19
Speaker 2: bigger security risk to admit any more people to this
33:22
Speaker 2: country from Gaza. Joining me now, someone who knows a
33:26
Speaker 2: fair bit about borders in security, Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott.
33:30
Speaker 2: Tony welcome to the program. I know you've been following
33:33
Speaker 2: this issue of visas out of Gaza for many months now.
33:38
Speaker 2: Did Peter Darton make the right call to demand an
33:40
Speaker 2: immediate halt to arrivals from Gaza given the admissions from
33:45
Speaker 2: ASIO that they're only security checking those referred to them,
33:49
Speaker 2: not everyone coming out of the wall.
33:51
Speaker 6: Zone, and Peter, they can't really do proper security checks
33:57
Speaker 6: because ASIO is not on the ground. Australian officials are
34:01
Speaker 6: not on the ground. This idea that we are properly
34:05
Speaker 6: vetting people from Gaza, it's just impossible. And there's a
34:10
Speaker 6: world of difference between what's possible with people from Gaza
34:15
Speaker 6: now and what was done with people from the Syrian
34:19
Speaker 6: war zone back in my time as PM. But I
34:23
Speaker 6: do want to make this point, Peter Chenny, as James
34:27
Speaker 6: Patterson said, As James Patterson said yesterday, the appropriate number
34:33
Speaker 6: of harmas sympathizers in Australia is zero. It's zero, And
34:38
Speaker 6: anyone that we take from Gaza right now, you've got
34:42
Speaker 6: to assume is a harmas sympathizer.
34:46
Speaker 2: Well, let's go to that point you mentioned there when
34:48
Speaker 2: you were Prime Minister in relation to Syria in twenty fifteen.
34:53
Speaker 2: You talk about twelve thousand refugees from Syria, that's been
34:57
Speaker 2: used by Labor, by the Prime Minister in the past,
35:00
Speaker 2: Eliament today as some sort of precedent for how the
35:04
Speaker 2: process should work with people coming out of Gaza, have
35:07
Speaker 2: a listen.
35:08
Speaker 11: Similarly, Siriraq, Similarly in Syria, with the chaos that occurred,
35:14
Speaker 11: a special visa created for people from Syria.
35:19
Speaker 2: Indeed, now it's not the same now as it was
35:25
Speaker 2: with you in relation to Syria, is.
35:28
Speaker 6: It completely correct? First of all, we specified that we
35:34
Speaker 6: were going to take persecuted minorities, and something like ninety
35:39
Speaker 6: percent of the people who came at that time were
35:42
Speaker 6: actually Christians from the Middle East. And second, we had
35:47
Speaker 6: our officials on the ground who went through and carefully
35:51
Speaker 6: vetted all of those arrivals. It is simply impossible to
35:56
Speaker 6: do security checks on people in Garb who might subsequently
36:02
Speaker 6: come to Australia. So really we are stuck with whoever
36:08
Speaker 6: chooses to apply, and you've got to assume, under current
36:12
Speaker 6: circumstances that all of them are going to be Harmas sympathizers.
36:18
Speaker 6: We have enough Harma sympathizers in this country already we
36:22
Speaker 6: have too many Harmas sympathizers in this country already. It
36:26
Speaker 6: is a disgrace that we have had these massive protests
36:31
Speaker 6: almost from the very beginning, effectively in favor of harmas
36:35
Speaker 6: we've got rampant anti Semitism. The last thing we need
36:39
Speaker 6: right now is to be importing more trouble from overseas.
36:44
Speaker 6: And I would simply remind everyone in this government your
36:49
Speaker 6: first duty as a government is the safety of Australians.
36:54
Speaker 6: And this idea that you show compassion to the people
36:59
Speaker 6: of at the expense of the safety of the people
37:03
Speaker 6: of Australia, it's just wrong and it shows that this
37:07
Speaker 6: government does not understand where it's real duty lies. And
37:12
Speaker 6: you've made this point earlier on the show, Peter. If
37:15
Speaker 6: Egypt and Jordan and Saudi Arabia are taking zero zero
37:22
Speaker 6: gardens because the last thing they want is to have
37:26
Speaker 6: more Islamists in their midst, why is it somehow our
37:30
Speaker 6: duty to take the people that their Muslim brothers Muslim
37:36
Speaker 6: neighbors won't take.
37:40
Speaker 2: I mentioned immigration more broadly at the top of the
37:44
Speaker 2: show and made the point about statistics out today that
37:46
Speaker 2: says Labour's record migrant intake since they came to power,
37:52
Speaker 2: is sixty two percent greater than the rud Gillard era,
37:56
Speaker 2: which was our last and highest benchmark. So that's a
38:00
Speaker 2: asive increase. Now you're a migrant yourself, I'm the child
38:05
Speaker 2: of migrants many generations ago. But we are a very
38:08
Speaker 2: proud migrant country. But it's got to be in our
38:10
Speaker 2: national interest and I guess the concern is if we're
38:14
Speaker 2: taking in volumes of people and we're not integrating them
38:18
Speaker 2: as we should, as we've done in many decades past,
38:22
Speaker 2: what's the risk to our values and our national character.
38:28
Speaker 6: There are two problems with the current rate of migration, Peter.
38:32
Speaker 6: The first is that we simply can't house people coming
38:35
Speaker 6: in at the rate of a half a million a year.
38:38
Speaker 6: And second, there's not nearly enough stress on the need
38:41
Speaker 6: for all our migrants to join Team Australia. And when
38:46
Speaker 6: you've got a government which is embarrassed about Australia day,
38:50
Speaker 6: how can we expect migrants to take our country and
38:55
Speaker 6: its values as seriously as they should. And again, as
39:00
Speaker 6: were said earlier on the program tonight by one of
39:02
Speaker 6: your guests, we've just had a multicultural report commissioned by
39:06
Speaker 6: this government, presumably telling the government what it wants to hear,
39:12
Speaker 6: and this Multicultural report says that we should have citizenship
39:15
Speaker 6: ceremonies in languages other than English. Now, come on. The
39:22
Speaker 6: absolute basic requirement of people who want to join Team
39:28
Speaker 6: Australia is that they strive to operate in the national language.
39:35
Speaker 7: Tony, I have it. I know you love the flag.
39:37
Speaker 7: I know you think English is important. So you're spot on.
39:40
Speaker 7: Thank you for joining me tonight. Thanks for your time.
39:43
Speaker 2: All right, after the break, we're going to get into
39:45
Speaker 2: some other issues. The big grants to the Voice campaign.
39:47
Speaker 2: This is the Yes campaign under investigation. More taxes on
39:52
Speaker 2: the way for struggling Victorians. The Treasurer today refusing to
39:56
Speaker 2: rule anything out.
40:03
Speaker 7: Welcome back.
40:03
Speaker 2: You've flooded kel with some good words this week or
40:05
Speaker 2: good phrases. Useful idiots is one. We'll get to that
40:09
Speaker 2: in a moment, but first let's bring in my panel,
40:12
Speaker 2: Shadow Environment Minister Senator Jonathan Dunniam and senior fellow at
40:16
Speaker 2: the MENSIS Research Center, Nick Cata.
40:18
Speaker 7: Well, John O and Nick.
40:19
Speaker 14: Welcome.
40:19
Speaker 7: We'll start with the WAGS story.
40:22
Speaker 2: They're not keeping up with inflation, we saw that in
40:24
Speaker 2: yesterday's data, but the growth is in the public sector wages.
40:29
Speaker 2: What were you pay as taxpayers to the public servants.
40:33
Speaker 2: This is a huge issue and it's a big inflation
40:37
Speaker 2: spike and it's not sustainable either, is it, John O.
40:41
Speaker 7: No, Peter, it's not.
40:43
Speaker 18: And I got to tell you every state and territory government,
40:47
Speaker 18: the Commonwealth government to have a serious case of inability
40:52
Speaker 18: to reign in their spending. In the Environment Department alone,
40:56
Speaker 18: in the last two and a half years since the
40:58
Speaker 18: last election, they employed an extra two three hundred bureaucrats.
41:01
Speaker 18: They're not out saving koalas and ripping weeds out of
41:05
Speaker 18: the ground. They're sitting in carpeted, air conditioned officers here
41:08
Speaker 18: in Canberra and they are on very good wages that
41:11
Speaker 18: you and your viewers, the tax payers of Australia, are
41:14
Speaker 18: paying for. It is unsustainable. It drives up inflation because
41:17
Speaker 18: these people are spending money masks over other economic problems
41:21
Speaker 18: and artificially inflates employment numbers.
41:23
Speaker 7: So it is a problem.
41:25
Speaker 18: It's something we're going to have to tackle and you'll
41:27
Speaker 18: hear a lot more about that before the election. But
41:29
Speaker 18: it cannot go on and it causes problems for everyone.
41:34
Speaker 2: And I'll say to people at home, these are salaries
41:36
Speaker 2: of two hundred three hundred four hundred nine hundred thousand
41:40
Speaker 2: dollars if their senior public servants. This is real money.
41:44
Speaker 2: Let's go to report this afternoon.
41:45
Speaker 7: This is a shocker.
41:47
Speaker 2: The Liberal Party in New South Wales has missed the
41:49
Speaker 2: deadline for nominations for state council elections. So these are
41:54
Speaker 2: all the councils we get up tight about Northern Beaches,
41:56
Speaker 2: Lane Cove, Cantery Banks, Down Camden and shoul Haven.
42:01
Speaker 16: Nick.
42:02
Speaker 2: The war is happening at a local level in these communities.
42:06
Speaker 2: I mean, these councils, as we know, are fighting hard
42:09
Speaker 2: on issues and do not concern them like Gaza. How
42:12
Speaker 2: could the Liberal Party be asleep at the wheel.
42:16
Speaker 19: It's more important than ever that the Liberal Party and
42:19
Speaker 19: good people generally good Conservative people who have an eye
42:22
Speaker 19: on the interest of rape payers and people who knew
42:24
Speaker 19: they're bins collected. It's more important than ever that those
42:27
Speaker 19: people involved in local government. As we saw last night
42:30
Speaker 19: from those scenes from Inner Sydney where the Greens have
42:33
Speaker 19: basically turned it into a sort of new campaigning ground
42:36
Speaker 19: for the United Nations. This can't happen. I don't know
42:39
Speaker 19: what happened within the Liberal Party, and I've probably best
42:42
Speaker 19: not to comment on that in any detail except to say, obviously,
42:45
Speaker 19: if this three reports are true, this is an enormous
42:47
Speaker 19: stuff up. You know, they've basically got to get those
42:50
Speaker 19: administration things right. Robert Menzi's made this point in nineteen
42:53
Speaker 19: forty four when he set up the party. If you
42:55
Speaker 19: can't get this basic administration of the party right, then
42:59
Speaker 19: nothing will works. So I think there needs to be
43:01
Speaker 19: some real examination there.
43:06
Speaker 2: And it's not the first time New South Wales has
43:08
Speaker 2: lad down the Liberal Party.
43:09
Speaker 7: I go back to twenty ten.
43:11
Speaker 2: It cost us that hung parliament election out of New
43:14
Speaker 2: South Wales out of the Liberal Party.
43:16
Speaker 7: Well, let's go to Victoria.
43:18
Speaker 2: Years and years of economic mismanagement. They're coming home to roost.
43:22
Speaker 2: They've had to brought one and a half billion dollars
43:24
Speaker 2: to save emergency hospitals, but they won't rule out now
43:28
Speaker 2: taxes to come as a result.
43:30
Speaker 7: Have a listen taxes.
43:33
Speaker 5: Well, I could give no assurances about where the government
43:37
Speaker 5: is going in this matter. Look, I'm not ruling anything
43:40
Speaker 5: in or out at the moment because essentially the number
43:44
Speaker 5: one priority for the government is to maintain its fiscal
43:47
Speaker 5: aggregates to maintain the things that we said to Victorians
43:52
Speaker 5: we would do.
43:55
Speaker 2: JOHNO, you know, when I talked to Victorians, I can't
43:58
Speaker 2: find anyone who voted labor back into office, but those
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Speaker 2: who did reap what you're so.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, the number of people that would be driving around
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Speaker 18: with stickers saying don't blame me, I voted liberal in
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Speaker 18: Victoria now, even though they may not have, would be
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Speaker 18: a very large number of it. To hear the Victorian
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Speaker 18: Treasurer sit there and say, our number one priority is
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Speaker 18: to look after our fiscal aggregates, So I don't know
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Speaker 18: what about all of the other things you should be
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Speaker 18: doing for the people of Victoria. The idea that they
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Speaker 18: cannot manage money in this way, this pathetic government that
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Speaker 18: signs up to major projects then cancels them and bills
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Speaker 18: the taxpayer huge amounts of money just to cancel these projects.
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Speaker 18: That whether they would or not is a different matter,
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Speaker 18: but they seriously have no idea. So I really hope
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Speaker 18: my counterparts in the Victorian Parliament, the Victorian Liberals and
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Speaker 18: their National bedfellows, actually really give this a red hot go.
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Speaker 18: There is no excuse for there to be a Victorian
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Speaker 18: labor government. Are to the next day election down there,
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Speaker 18: they are beyond hopeless.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, John, I to disappoint you, but I can't
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Speaker 2: hold my breath thinking Victorian levels might get a spine
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Speaker 2: and actually fight back on some of this stuff.
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Speaker 14: I could be wrong.
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Speaker 7: I hope they surprise me.
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Speaker 2: At twenty five thousand protesters Anti FADA, all the crazies
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Speaker 2: are going to come together at the Exhibition Center in
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Speaker 2: Victoria next month.
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Speaker 7: This is in Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: There's a big defense exhibition or conference. It's going to
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Speaker 2: divert about a tenth of all police officers in the state.
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Speaker 7: This is a shocker, Nick Cata.
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Speaker 19: Yeah, I agree, Peter. And look, there is a deliberate
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Speaker 19: and well funded campaign going on by extremists, funded by
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Speaker 19: we're not quite sure who to stage these massive process
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Speaker 19: and their aim is to disrupt civil society. We can
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Speaker 19: see that with their blockading of the Prime Minister's office
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Speaker 19: and their attacks on other people. We've got to see
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Speaker 19: some strong policing here and victorious. They really set the
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Speaker 19: bar high when it comes to actually clamping down on
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Speaker 19: demonstrations they don't like. During COVID. I think wrongly, but
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Speaker 19: wouldn't it be good to see a little of that result,
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Speaker 19: perhaps not so much of the brutality, but a little
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Speaker 19: much of that resolve for other protests that are genuinely
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Speaker 19: not in the public interests. I'm all for free speech,
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Speaker 19: but these are not demonstrations to express a view. They
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Speaker 19: are there to disrupt and to cause maximum intimidation to
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Speaker 19: ordinary people going about their normal daily lives.
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Speaker 2: Senator right, are you've got to get back to the chamber, Nicta,
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Speaker 2: you go back to some good weather. By the look
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Speaker 2: of it, they're in Bosnia. Thank you both for your time.
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Speaker 2: Make a mention too, just quickly, Senator Duney and referred
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Speaker 2: a grant on the Yes campaign to the Tesmanian Order
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Speaker 2: to General or the Order to General's Reports in it
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Speaker 2: says it's found irregularities around that grant to Australians for
46:56
Speaker 2: Indigenous constitutional recognition. We're back to that one too, all right,
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Speaker 2: quick break after break of Kelviriches, as we're doing every Wednesday,
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Speaker 2: we have the wonderful man in the studio, kel Richard's
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Speaker 2: welcome to the program. As always, abdicate and abrogate. Margaret,
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Speaker 2: one of our viewers wants to know what's the difference
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Speaker 2: between the two, because she says a lot of journalists
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Speaker 2: seem to use them interchangeably or certainly mix them up.
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Speaker 20: Yes, in fact, Margareting is exactly right. I think no
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Speaker 20: journalist uses them correctly. To abdicate means to resign from
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Speaker 20: an official position, often used of royalty when they step
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Speaker 20: down from an official position. To abrogate means to end
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Speaker 20: a legal agreement. So both mean the end of something,
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Speaker 20: but very different ends, but journalists don't understand it. I
47:48
Speaker 20: suspect when journalists say that a minister is either either
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Speaker 20: abdicating or abrogating their responsibilities, what they're trying to say
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Speaker 20: is that they're failing or neglecting their responsibility, and neither
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Speaker 20: word actually means that. This is a case where journalists
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Speaker 20: will be well advised. Don't use these words. I know
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Speaker 20: they look impressive and they look good in your copy,
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Speaker 20: but no, no, no, don't use them.
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Speaker 2: I think there's a disease with journalists. Sometimes they like
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Speaker 2: to sound they're cleverer than they are or more clever
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Speaker 2: than they are, and they pick up a word and
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Speaker 2: they run with that word, and it's not always the
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Speaker 2: best words. I think clarity and speech is incredibly important.
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Speaker 2: Here's a phrase I use this affair bit Susan's pointed
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Speaker 2: out useful idiots when we talk about anti Israel protesters
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Speaker 2: and others. But she says, aren't they useless? Not useful idiots?
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Speaker 2: Aren't they useless idiots? Kel, where's this one come from?
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Speaker 20: Well, the answer is they're useless to us, but they
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Speaker 20: are useful to other people. That's the point. People called
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Speaker 20: useful idiots to people who are sufficiently naive or really
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Speaker 20: informed to be able to be manipulated for propaganda purposes.
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Speaker 20: The expression usedful idiots used of Westerners who supported communism.
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Speaker 20: There's a lovely old story saying it was coined by
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Speaker 20: Vladimir Lenin. Unfortunately Lenin died in nineteen twenty four. The
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Speaker 20: expression doesn't turn up till nineteen forty eight, so it
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Speaker 20: can't come from Lenin, but it was certainly a Cold
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Speaker 20: War expression for Westerners who supported the communist Soviet regime.
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Speaker 20: These days, the same idea of people being manipulated by
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Speaker 20: a foreign power, and that they think they're supporting Palestinian people,
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Speaker 20: they're actually chanting the slogans of terrorists because they're not
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Speaker 20: smart enough. They are being manipulated by a foreign power.
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Speaker 20: It makes them useful to the foreign power. Useless to
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Speaker 20: us but useful to them. So they are there useful idiots.
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Speaker 2: Just a quick one, Why don't we use pro as
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Speaker 2: the prefix Palestinian as opposed to anti Israel, anti g
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Speaker 2: because that's what a lot of these protesters are.
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Speaker 20: Yes, because interesting, the good question. Actually anti semit anti
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Speaker 20: people who are anti Semitic. Actually, you like to hide
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Speaker 20: the facts, and so they use a code expression. For
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Speaker 20: a long time, people who were antisemitic call themselves anti Zionists,
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Speaker 20: same thing, but they were using a code expression. The
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Speaker 20: current code expression for anti Semitism is pro Palestinian. If
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Speaker 20: you're pro Palestinian, you're arguing for a one state solution,
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Speaker 20: a Palestine covering the whole of that area, the end
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Speaker 20: of Israel. So it's anti Semitism, but it's the code
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Speaker 20: that's used to hide the fact they don't want to worry.
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Speaker 2: Not wrong, I got to go. That one's from Margo.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, kel see you next week. That's it for me,
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Speaker 2: See you tomorrow night, and your bolt's updeckx