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Hebrews Part 16 - Simply Christ Bible Study · Simply Christ Podcast

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We have a interesting subject tonight, I believe.
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So welcome to our Bible study webinar where we do this every
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week and we inspect God's Word and we know it and let it
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transform our lives. For the next hour, we're going
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to discuss out of Hebrews chapter 5 with these five guys,
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Tonight we are going to start in Hebrews chapter 5 verse 11 and
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going to go through that for this next hour.
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So with that said, we'll have we didn't pray for a while.
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I can't remember. I can never remember.
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I always think I'm going to have this figured out ahead of time.
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I think I had Andrew the last time.
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Melvin or Bland or somebody. Yeah, go ahead and.
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Pray, sure, let's pray. Father, we bless you tonight and
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we thank you for this opportunity to get into your
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word and Father, guide us with your spirit as we go through
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your word tonight that we can speak words of life and and we
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can be look to you for our strength and and our power.
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Father, we thank you that you're so faithful and thank you for
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that you have given your son Jesus to die on the cross for
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our sins that we can have eternal life.
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And Father, I just, there's many people that are on the fence of
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not sure if they want to trust in Jesus or, or not.
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And so, Father, I just pray that that you would continue to
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prompt people and to move with your spirit and Father, that we
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could be a tool for that and and that we could open our eyes and
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open our ears and our hearts mainly, Father, that that your
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word would penetrate deeply tonight.
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We thank you and we honor you. You're so faithful.
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We love you and praise you in Jesus name, Amen.
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That we do. All righty.
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I'm going to read verse 11 here and tie it back to a little bit
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what we were reading earlier, just to kind of tie this context
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in, and then I'll pitch it over to Aaron.
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So verse 11 says of whom we have many things to say and hard to
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be uttered. Seeing ye are dull of hearing.
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This is chapter 5, verse 11 of Hebrews.
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And so the the thing that's hard to be hard to say, hard to be
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uttered is I mean, we just got done talking about Melchizedek,
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which would be a character maybe I guess for lack of better
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words, that there's not a lot of discussion.
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It's, it's something that you would have to focus on and think
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on to know and get to, to figure out who this is and how he
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operates, how this all works. As I mean, it's kind of
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interesting if you read in Chapter 7 who this Melchizedek
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is. So he's just saying that this is
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a hard subject. But the reason that he thinks
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that it's hard is interesting. And with that, I'll turn it over
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to you here. Yeah, I don't think I came up
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this on my own. I think I heard somebody else
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say it, but I think it's interesting.
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Their lack their, their dullness of hearing seems like it kept us
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back from some good information. In other words, like he's like,
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I've got a few more things I'd like to say, but you all can't
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stand it. And I think that's that that's
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one of the things that really stands out to me in this verse
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is it sounds like we could have got some more information, maybe
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even more than what Chapter 7 actually gives, had they been
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more mature in the faith and been more able to hear.
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Because this is going to like this verse is going to introduce
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us to the rest of this chapter. I think they're the the idea in
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the rest of this chapter and the beginning of chapter 6 as well,
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because he's building off the point that they are dull of
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hearing, I think with the next few verses.
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But that's that's really all I have to say about.
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It Yep, what we would experience a lot today.
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There's people that are serious and there's people that are
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enjoying their life, but they want to add, they want to add
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something, some religion to their lifestyle to kind of ease
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their conscience to a certain extent.
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But they're not, they're not, they're never willing to go all
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the way and be sold out. And because of that, they don't
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hear things. They're they're defensive and
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they're always not wanting to be challenged.
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They don't want to be rebuked in any way.
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They they want to, they want to do their own thing.
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I think they're just all of hearing.
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They can't hear anything because it just upsets them.
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Yeah, that's right. They it's it's interesting that
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he says and ye seeing ye are dull of hearing.
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It's not he wanted to share the information that he was
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withholding, like you said, Aaron with them, but it was
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because of them that they were dull of hearing.
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And like we've been studying, you know, he's been comparing
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Christ to the angels and, and, and upholding Christ and, and we
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just got done reading how he is as Melchizedek.
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And, and the other flip side of that is they were we touched on
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this before that they were relying on the law.
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And so it when you rely on like you were saying Andrew, when you
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rely on religion or or the law, then you are going to be a dull
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of hearing. Yeah, can't hear you.
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That's right. So them.
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Yeah, The thing that stands out to me about this, besides what
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you guys have already mentioned very similar things to that, is
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just the the boldness or the bluntness of the author.
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I, I feel like if I were to speak this way to anybody in
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particular to beloved Christians, I would feel like
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I'm kind of being a little bit proud, kind of arrogant.
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Like if I were to say to you brothers, I understand a certain
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passage and you guys aren't quite following me and say, the
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reason you guys can't understand this is you're not there yet.
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You're kind of dull of hearing. You're not, you're just not
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paying attention. You're not listening very well.
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You're a little slow. The, the principles that he
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wants them to understand are so basic and so obvious, like the,
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the Hebrew Christians are considering going back to
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Judaism. And he's like, you guys must be
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dull of hearing, 'cause you don't understand these concepts
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of Melchizedek. I'm gonna teach you a few things
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here and then we'll come back to this topic when I feel like
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you're maybe a little more ready.
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But right now it's like you're, you're just, you're just kind of
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slow in the head, like something's wrong with you here.
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You're dull of hearing. And so it's a pretty sharp
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rebuke. I, I think it gives us some
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instruction on how we can talk at times.
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But obviously some people take that way too far and are always
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just rebuking. They have a whole ministry of
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rebuke and rebuttal and just constantly challenging everyone.
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The author is pretty careful to use that kind of language, but
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when he does, it comes out pretty straightforward.
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Like, I'd love to talk to you about this, but you guys
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wouldn't understand anyway, You know, it's, it's a pretty,
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pretty blunt remark. Yeah, I mean, you've, you've had
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that conversation, standing face to face with a guy visiting and
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he's watching over your shoulder at the Turkey herd in the field
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behind you. And he hears you talk, but he's
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not hearing you. Yeah.
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It happens with the children once in a while.
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They hear your words, but they're not hearing.
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In other words, like it's almost like he's, when he uses the word
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hearing, it's, it's actually talking about comprehension or
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understanding almost, you know, like it's not that they were
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deaf. It's not that they couldn't hear
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what he was saying. It's that they it wasn't.
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It wasn't actually. Registering.
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Head of training to the point that it actually caused them to
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understand something. All right, verse 12 and just
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continues here for when the time ye ought to be teachers ye have
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need that one teach you again, which be the first principles of
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the oracles of God and are become such as have need of milk
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and not of strong meat and just goes on with what we were
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talking, but I'll let you make comments on that air.
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I mean, I think that the one thing we should point out is
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that he's not saying they're dull of hearing because they're
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new to the teaching, right? He's saying the time has passed
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in which you ought to be able, you know, Paul told Timothy, he
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said, I want you to teach faithful men that will be able
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to teach others also, right? So Paul's, Paul's saying you
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should, you should learn this in in such a manner.
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And you've had, and he's saying to these people, you've had
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enough time that you ought to be handing these things to the next
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generation. But he goes on to say that
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actually what, what you've done is you've heard these things.
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And he doesn't give us the explanation for what it was.
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I don't know if it was that they were too busy.
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I don't know if it was just the pressure of, of being pressed
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back into Judaism. I don't really know what the
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answer is, but that he says the time has passed, that you ought
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to be able to pass it to the next person, but you actually
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need to refresh your course, right?
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I mean that that's what he's saying.
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He's saying the time for when, for the time you ought to be
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teachers, you have need that one teach you again, right?
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I mean, in other words, rather than have moved on to being the
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one that's able to explain things to the next person, they
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need things explained to them again, right?
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I mean that that is literally what he's saying and he says
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which be the first principles. He, I think he's going to, I
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think that he's going to define first principles in chapter 6,
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right? When we get there, he's going to
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tell us what those first principles were.
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But and let me say this milk, the milk of the word.
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What? What's that verse about people
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desiring the sincere milk of the word?
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Like, it's not that the milk of the word is bad, right?
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I mean, it's a great thing. Yeah.
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But you should be able to move on from the milk.
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That's what he's saying to these people.
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The milk of the word is a sweet thing.
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It has. In fact, you could say that all
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of us were saved by the milk of the word, right?
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I mean, all of us were. But he's saying you should be
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able to go on and swallow. Like in other words, he's
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defining somewhat of what he said in verse 11.
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You can you would get choked on it if I tried to tell you what I
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could tell you about Melchizedek, right?
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You get choked on it, It would be too much for you.
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So, but that's that's. As a matter of fact, you know
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milk has all the nutrients you need to live but but it's not
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good for you forever so. That's right.
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Yeah, I think Melvin made a good point.
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I think I think the author's frustrated that they believe
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this law and they're still so immature that they would fall
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for these other ways, you know, fall for going back to the law.
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It's like, look, as long as you guys have been there, you should
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have been exercising, you should have been studying.
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You should be mature to the point where you tell someone,
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whoever it is that is trying to get you back under the law and
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be able to defend yourself, be able to defend your faith.
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More than just Jesus died for me, like more than you need to
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realize you're a Sinner and realize there's one sacrifice.
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Jesus went through the veil within the veil and he bought
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brought redemption for us and it wasn't the law.
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We now have a new and a living way and he's just frustrated
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that they're dropping Christ, that one good sacrifice that is
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better than bulls and goats and they're dropping that or
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something they could not say. And he's like you should be able
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to defend you by now. You should have enough of a
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workout in Bible study and teaching and learning and all
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this time and you should be able to hold the line and instead
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you're back to square one. We'll have to get you saved
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again almost, or like get you to, you know, the first
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principles again, like I have to run you through the first phase
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again and shoot you on the second phase or third phase.
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And it's like, I can't even tell you some deep stuff.
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And I would, I would like to guess it would like sound like a
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like Romans 6 if he was able to teach them the way he wanted
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them to. Because if they're dealing about
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trying to deal with the old man and the flesh and, you know,
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trying to make some sacrifice and do a little bit of things to
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try to make an atonement, they needed to hear Romans 6.
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Maybe that's what it was. Maybe they couldn't, you know,
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or maybe he didn't. Maybe they needed to hear what
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Timothy, a book of Timothy says. You know what your time is just
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fried. You're being fried.
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You. Maybe he needed to say some of
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those things, but he didn't because he wasn't able to hear
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it. I don't know.
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Yep, tell them. Yeah.
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I think it's interesting what it says there.
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It says you have need that one teach you again.
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Yeah. So in other words, they they do
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it right. Yeah.
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And but they had to be taught again.
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And, you know, sometimes us, as you know, believers have been
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believers for many years, been born again for many years.
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You know, I remember when I first got saved.
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And Liam can attest to this. You know, when we first got
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saved, we were having like there was a revival in our community
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that happened there and and we would have Bible study, right?
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And I mean, we were like growing like we were drinking milk like
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big time and we were growing like rapidly, right?
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But then as we progressed, we grew to milk meat, you know, not
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we didn't keep drinking the milk.
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But sometimes what happens I think is, is we get kind of
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tired of like just the meat, like like in other words, we get
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to a point where we think that sometimes we think that, well,
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I, I know everything right? And, and I, I don't what, why do
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I need to know more or, or whatever.
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But but when we have that kind of an attitude, then God, then
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we become dole hearing like, you know, God isn't going to be
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telling us that we're not going to be growing anymore.
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And I think that's kind of what happened here, probably with
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these people. Maybe I so anyway, it's just
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interesting that they were they knew it, but they had to be
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taught again that they needed they went back to the milk.
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Imagine eating steak and eating meat and going back to milk.
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I mean, milk is good with apple pie, right or something.
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But but if you're eating steak, you're not going to go back to
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just drinking milk. For.
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Sure wasn't too tough. I've had a bit of a tooth issue
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on both sides this last week and sometimes I'm like, I should
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just eat soft foods for a bit, but I just can't imagine.
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Like I wanna, I wanna chew on something, right?
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But here he says that the time is that you ought to be
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teachers. I don't think he's necessarily
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saying that the whole Church of you should be now teaching and
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preaching the gospel as a a minister of the gospel as like a
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standing up in front of people and educating them and whatnot.
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There's many different ways of teaching in Colossians chapter
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3, he says let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in
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all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in
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psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in
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your hearts to the Lord. So the gospel should so
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penetrate every single one of us from preacher down to the
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mechanic, whoever you are, whatever you do that it comes
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out in psalms and hymns and it should be a melody on your
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heart. It should should fill you up to
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the point where you can't help but teach somebody you just your
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life is instructing people. And then at at a moment's
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notice, you can share the gospel.
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And I've often challenged people and to say something along these
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lines, like, could you tell me the gospel in less than two
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minutes from the Scriptures? Could you open the Bible and
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show me the depth and the beauty of the gospel, like point me to
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some of your favorite texts and show me what Christ has actually
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done for us. And it's amazing how many
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Christians are actually fairly stumped.
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They, they have a few highlight verses.
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I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.
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And you know, it doesn't even apply to what they're thinking
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about. But to me, when I, when I'm
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preaching or teaching through the book of Hebrews now on my
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WhatsApp group, there, there are some people who are responding
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with thoughts like, man, that is so refreshing.
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I, I haven't heard this in a little bit and it really excites
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me and it thrills me. Then there's some people who are
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like, I've never heard this before.
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And to me, I'm like, you've been a Christian for five years, 10
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years, 15 years. You haven't heard these things
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before. What is the church teaching if
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you haven't taught things like the book of Hebrews 567-8910?
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Those those chapters are just the most astounding life giving
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securing verses and passages in the scriptures that we should
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all wrap our minds around. And of course, every time I go
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through it, I'm refreshed again and it almost like I had need of
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it to be taught to me again too. But it shouldn't be that we have
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to constantly like Andrew's got this pet peeve of people who
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need their hands held for everything.
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What do I do now? What do I do next?
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Why don't you have the life of God in you?
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First principles of the oracles of God don't.
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Don't you know what Christ has done?
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Can you not take a few steps? Or are you, as the next verse
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says, still just obeyed? That's right.
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Yeah, the word said. I think it's in John.
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It says that out of your belly should throw rivers of living
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water. And that's not talking about
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just the pastors or the OR teachers, you know, that's
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talking about everyone that is a believer.
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So that's a good point, Dan. I like that.
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But I think it's a very good for someone to be mentoring someone
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or walking along someone that is just a new believer that not you
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don't have to be all the time, but when I have done that, it's
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really challenged me, you know, and you don't have to be a
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teacher in front of a church to be a teacher.
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I like that, Dan. Yeah.
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I'll, I'll let you go ahead. Andrew here in a second.
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Dan briefly mentioned his WhatsApp group.
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Dan, can you put a link or something to that for those of
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you that are listening? That is a really interesting
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little short, what would you call it devotional kind of thing
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that you do daily, 5 minute little lesson and also or maybe
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your YouTube link or something. Dan, I just would encourage
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listeners to plug in He's, he's got some really good stuff
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there. So, yeah, Camp says on the chat
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just now that growth is to be expected when verse by verse
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expository Bible teaching is available in your life.
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And I would agree with that 100%.
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But go ahead, Andrew. I interrupted.
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You No, that's fine. I I just wanted to highlight
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what Dan was saying about not being teachers because I can't
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think of the verse, but it says somewhere that we should always
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be able to give an answer. Oh yeah.
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And that's I think a believer, like a believer should always be
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able to speak of the hope that is in them, you know, be able to
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get answered a person about the hope that we have.
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And and I think that's what these guys were lacking is they
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weren't well versed. They, they weren't, they weren't
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established on solid ground like someone that has strong meat,
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you know, was mature. And so when somebody would come
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along with doctrines of devils, they would just embrace them
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like they would, they wouldn't take that to teach and defend.
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They would just, they would just, oh, that sounds good.
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It's like they're unlearned. Like then the the evangelist has
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to come back and teach them all over again.
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Like, no, no, this is where we came from.
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Because these people did come from the law.
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These these are converted Jews, if I'm not mistaken.
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So like, don't you see that that's going, you know, you just
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came there like, so that's what I think when it means like I got
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to teach you again, you're getting swindled to go back as
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far as the doll of hearing. I've had a Bible study with a
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person that is law minded and when they get law minded, they
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do not hear anything. You can go through a whole
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chapters, like four or five chapters we went through and
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they don't hear it because all they got in their head is that
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certain law verse they have in their mind.
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And yeah, I I totally get it. Yep, and and it's going to go on
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to to this. So I'll just I'll just read
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ahead if it goes on for everyone that uses milk is unskillful in
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the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.
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And I tell you what, in my experience, there's, there's a
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lot of people, maybe I'm one of them, but there's a, there's a
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lot of people that are unskillful in the word of
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righteousness. It goes on here in a little bit,
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you know, to having their senses exercised.
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That's, that's a miss in the, in the church today, whether it's
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because we're just spoon feeding them, you know, if that's the
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how we do in America and Canada, I guess there's Canadians
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missing too. But like in the modern church, I
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guess is what I'm trying to say. We we've gotten so used to just
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having this baby food grinder, taking it and just dissolved
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everything together for us to just kind of, you know, tickle
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our ears and then we go home and and we never actually have to
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look and and study. But go ahead Air on that.
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I was just, I was going to kind of look at it in a little
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different light. He's not saying again, I'll kind
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of come at it from this thing. He's not saying that a babe in
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Christ is not in Christ. He's just saying you shouldn't
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always be a baby. You know, another, in other
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words, what I'm getting at is you could, you could give the
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gospel to somebody in like, I don't know, when you all said in
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a couple minutes, you could tell them that someone died for their
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sins. And just like in, in the very
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context of this is they would maybe not in, in that short,
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your own version or not version, but your own words give them the
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gospel and they they're not going to know all the details
24:42
there is about Christ, right? I mean, think about the context
24:45
of this. He's saying, I would like to
24:48
tell you more about how that Christ is after the order of
24:51
Melchizedek, but you can't hear it.
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So he's saying they have heard about Christ and and a babe.
24:59
We'll use that term, a babe could hear about Christ, believe
25:03
that story and not know much about what Christ.
25:07
In other words, they might not even have the full comprehension
25:10
of how he is God, right? But so that's what he's saying,
25:15
or I mean, that's what I see in this is everyone that uses milk.
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In other words, if you need to be taught all the details of
25:23
just who Christ is, you're still in the baby form.
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Right. But you know, that's what I kind
25:30
of see in that everyone that uses milk is unskillful in the
25:32
word of righteousness, for he is a babe.
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Like in the context of this, it's not knowing, not being able
25:39
to tell all the details of how Christ is like this or how
25:43
Christ accomplishes this. You know, like that's a lot of
25:46
what the book of Hebrews is, is telling what Christ
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accomplished, like being an order of Melchizedek or what he
25:54
accomplished that the law was a shadow of, right.
25:58
You know, he's going to go on in the later chapters to say that
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this was just a shadow. It didn't actually do anything.
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It was just a shadow of what Christ was going to come and do.
26:07
And so, like I said, I, I guess I'm just saying that it, it's,
26:12
it is acceptable for a new Christian to not know all these
26:16
details, but it wasn't acceptable for these people to
26:19
not know them as long as it had been since they had first heard
26:23
them, right. In other words, that's his point
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for the time that you ought to be teachers.
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That was unacceptable that they still didn't know these things
26:32
or wasn't able to hear these things.
26:33
There had been too much time of past And he said, that's
26:36
unacceptable. You've not you've not went to
26:38
the point you should have been. When I first believed, there was
26:43
a lot of stuff about Jesus and and living in and how that
26:47
affects my life that I didn't know.
26:49
You know that I do now, Andrew. Yeah, I think the biggest thing
26:54
that happens is right when you believe and you get saved.
26:58
It's so big and it's so new that you would be stumped if someone
27:03
would probably say, hey, explain it.
27:06
Like what? Tell me about this.
27:09
Absolutely. Probably the only thing we would
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notice is I was a Sinner and I believed, yeah, you know, I, I,
27:17
I just know that he died in his blood and covered my sin.
27:20
I, I, I or we might just say, I know I was lost and now I'm
27:25
found or I know that I didn't have peace and now I have peace.
27:30
I know I didn't. You know, it's very short.
27:32
Like it's very. But if someone was would have
27:35
came up to me right when I got saved and said, Hey, what do you
27:38
think of the Catholic religion or what do you think of Mormon
27:42
or what do you think of this and that like all these other
27:46
doctrines, I would have been like, well, you know, and I
27:54
think there's an author saying, look, by now you should be able
27:57
to defend yourself and be teachers when someone challenges
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you. Again, I know I'm repeating
28:01
myself, but to Leon's point is I think we're a little bit to
28:07
blame, which comes back to my frustration that I shared before
28:12
we went live is we have especially in America.
28:17
Well, it's all over conditioned the people of God that in order
28:23
for them to hear God and to get to know him and who he is and
28:28
what he is. If you have to come to a
28:30
building and hear from the man of God and he has to teach you.
28:36
And although that happens, but I think we've we've abused it so
28:42
bad that it's caused people to not even exercise their own
28:47
senses and get skillful in the word themselves.
28:51
Because if they can just be a customer, if they can just come
28:55
to this organization, put some money in there and get their
29:02
spiritual Nuggets, their spiritual emotional latte and
29:06
have a nice drink and go home and do it again the next week
29:11
and put their $50.00 in the bucket and get their latte,
29:14
they're unskillful. They're just used to drinking a
29:16
latte that's fed to them. And they never are able to
29:19
defend themselves in the faith. And I think that's the
29:23
frustration. They do tell them.
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Yeah, and you know when that happens, Andrew, when you're
29:31
going to church and you're just being fed by one person and
29:35
you're not studying the word yourself, we we become
29:41
unskillful. And it's going to say in the
29:43
next verse what it looks like to be skillful.
29:48
But when that happens, the the actually how the body of Christ
29:53
is supposed to operate the the church, the body of Christ is
29:57
supposed to operate according to the Scriptures doesn't happen
30:00
because in Ephesians it says it talks about the works of the
30:05
ministry, all the the gifts of the ministry of spiritual gifts.
30:09
And then it says in verse 14, it says when that when those
30:15
spiritual gifts are being exercised and people, the body
30:18
of Christ is functioning the way it should be according to the
30:21
Scriptures. It says in verse 14 that we
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henceforth be no more children tossed to and fro there you.
30:28
Go tired. About with every wind of
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doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby
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they lay in wait to deceive. But instead it says in the very
30:38
next verse 15 but speaking the truth in love, and may grow up
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into him in all things. And what is the growing up into?
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It says which is the head, even Christ, and so that is I think
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is what was happening here is what?
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It appears like. And he's really going to lay
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that out in the next verse. But.
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Perfect versus good. That's good.
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Yeah, Dad. Yeah, I, I feel like if I've
31:06
been to so many of these testimony nights where young
31:08
people are getting baptized and you hear them share their
31:11
testimony, and if they did share what Andrew was suggesting, you
31:15
know, I mean, I was blind, but now I see I was lost.
31:18
But now I'm found. I, I, Jesus died for my sins.
31:21
I actually celebrate. I think somebody actually
31:24
understands because 9 out of 10, sometimes I've been to
31:28
somewhere, they've really impressed me where 1 after the
31:30
other seems to know the simplicity of the Gospel.
31:33
But there's been times when I've heard 1015 testimonies and maybe
31:37
two of them point to Christ a little bit.
31:40
The rest of them are like, you know, I was raised in a
31:42
Christian home. I became a bad person when I was
31:44
13. I started doing evil things.
31:47
Now I almost died once maybe or my friend died in an accident.
31:51
I decided to change my life and turn over a new leaf.
31:53
And I'm like, what did you get saved?
31:56
Did you trust Jesus? Was there any gospel presented
31:59
to you? Was there was there anything?
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And it doesn't seem like there is, right?
32:03
And so again, I don't kind of like what Aaron was saying, I
32:06
don't think, or maybe I'm, I'm not fully understanding what you
32:09
were saying, Aaron. But I don't think every person
32:12
out there, every Christian out there needs to be like a, a
32:14
serious Bible student to be considered mature.
32:19
I think many of our wives who are maybe not like digging into
32:24
the word, reading the the taking the Greek word and checking to
32:27
see how it's translated and breaking down verses and
32:30
studying deeply like in second Timothy 215 study to show
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yourself approved unto God a Workman that needeth not to be
32:37
ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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I don't think it means every Christian has to be that in in
32:43
the book of Timothy. Also, Paul says to Timothy that
32:46
they're supposed to bestow double honor upon the elders,
32:49
especially those that labor in the word and then doctrine.
32:53
So there can be a distinction. Some people are serious Bible
32:56
students. They dig in deep.
32:58
But like Aaron, like Andrew said already as well, you shouldn't
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be LED astray by every wind and wave of doctrine, as Melvin
33:05
quoted as well, like there should be a stability and a
33:07
grounding in your knowledge and understanding where you're
33:11
trusting you. You have an anchor for your
33:13
soul. You know it's Christ.
33:14
You know he's better than Adam, better than Moses, better than
33:17
the law, better than Aaron. And, you know, it should be that
33:20
stuff should be established. You shouldn't need to be taught
33:23
that again. And yet the author of the
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Hebrews is writing to these people as if it's like their
33:28
first time ever seeing. Is it really Adam?
33:31
He's better than Adam. He's better than Moses.
33:33
Like, come on, guys. You should be be beyond this by
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now. Yeah.
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That that's that's good. I I like that Dan.
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I'll read the next one here. It says but strong beat belongs
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to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use
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have their senses exercise to discern both good and evil and
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what you were just talking about Dan I just it's almost like you
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know, if you if you know those those kind of foundational
34:05
principles, I guess you will you will be able to quickly sense if
34:11
something is off. You know, even if you don't
34:13
exactly know what it is. You will often be able to
34:19
determine whether something is right or wrong just by the by
34:23
off the cuff, you know, and and that's you know, and then when
34:29
you dig into it, you actually study and you figure out and
34:31
then you can put your finger on what actually was wrong.
34:33
But it having that sense to be served is so helpful as a
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Christian. Go ahead here.
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Well, I would say this that like just like Dan said, I think it's
34:47
an excellent point that not everybody is going to be this
34:51
great. Well, it's just like that's kind
34:52
of what I was talking about in that he said are all teachers.
34:57
In other words, not everybody is in that position to be a
35:01
teacher. Now, granted, we did this make a
35:04
distinction here that all of us should be able to answer for the
35:07
reason of the hope that's in us would meet this and fear like by
35:10
all means. But he didn't give every single
35:14
Christian to be a teacher, like they said, like a stand up
35:17
teacher. But I'll say this, we do it
35:21
every time we sit down like I think we would all five of us
35:25
would consider ourselves. I'll say apartment to teach,
35:29
like he says, you know, like able apartment to teach.
35:32
But you say something, Dan says something, Melvin says
35:37
something, or Andrew says something, Leon says something.
35:39
And I'm like, oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
35:42
I see, you know, like that makes sense or I see that.
35:45
So I'm saying I would say to you that that is something that we
35:49
often do as a teacher to the rest of the people is you say,
35:56
you know, when somebody says this, here's the root of what
35:59
they're really saying, you know what I mean?
36:01
Like you, you help warn them, you help guide them, you're
36:04
directing them, whatever. So, but but that was just what I
36:08
was thinking because of what you all said.
36:10
But in this particular verse, verse 14, I'll come back to the
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to the point I tried to make earlier.
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He says strong meat belong to them that are a full age.
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All right, I'm going to link the word age back to verse 12 for
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when for the time you ought to be teachers.
36:28
He's saying let's, let's say it's, I have no idea what the
36:32
number is, but whenever their new birth was, they are so many
36:38
years, so many months, so many whatever of age from that new
36:42
birthright. They are at a certain age from
36:45
the new birth and he's saying that strong meat belong to them.
36:50
They're a full age now. They've had enough time that
36:54
they ought to have aged to maturity, right?
36:58
Whatever time that's been, he, he understands you all should be
37:03
aged. Not that it is not that I would
37:05
say every Christian is going to be at the same place at the mark
37:10
of 10 years. He's just saying it's been long
37:13
enough that whatever time that's been for each person, you should
37:16
have matured by now. You should be a full age able to
37:19
handle, not choke on the word on these words that I would like to
37:23
give to you. And he makes A, to me a real
37:28
particular point in the end of that verse.
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He says even those who by reason of use that is it's not a
37:38
number, right? When he says this full age, he's
37:41
not saying, as I just said, it's the 10 year mark, it's the five
37:45
year mark, it's the six month mark.
37:46
He's not saying that. He's saying what happens to
37:50
mature person is they are exercising.
37:53
They are actually, they're digging into this, they're
37:56
looking into this, they're seeing things going on in the
37:59
world or in their life and they're comparing that to the
38:02
word of God. They are exercising their their
38:07
the experience with the word of God.
38:09
They're putting those things together.
38:11
And the purpose, as he says in the last part of verse 14 is to
38:15
be able to discern good and evil.
38:19
Now he didn't say, and I'm not saying that he's but he's not
38:24
saying this, but his point is not that they should be able to
38:27
discern this person full age. They they already have had the
38:34
they've already believed the gospel.
38:36
He said they need to move on to be able to say, you know, that's
38:40
bad for you, right? That that's that is not good or
38:44
this is a good thing or this is a a godly thing and this is an
38:49
ungodly thing, or this is something that will build you up
38:52
and this is something that will defile, defile you, right.
38:55
He's saying they should be able to discern good and evil.
38:58
Like I do that all the time. Me and my wife do this all the
39:01
time. We will hear something, see
39:04
something, whatever, and we'll be like, what were they trying
39:07
to press? You know what I mean?
39:09
Like what, what were they trying to really press on you when they
39:14
said that or when they done that?
39:16
What was behind that? That's what he thought.
39:18
He's You're discerning good and evil.
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What was the root behind that? Yep.
39:24
Amen. That's good stuff, Andrew.
39:27
Yeah, I don't know if I got much to add to that except for that
39:32
he's finally telling us what is the point of having your set
39:37
exercise? What is the point of singing for
39:41
yourself and not just be drinking milk and someone else?
39:45
So it's like someone's feeding it till you're like, you're not
39:47
digging in yourself. You're not putting any work.
39:49
You know, we could go into what it takes to even get a steak.
39:53
You know, you have to. It takes quite a bit to even get
39:55
one. And then to be able to prepare
39:58
it and then to be able to eat it and actually benefit from it.
40:02
It's a pretty big deal where you can just go and milk a cow and
40:06
drink some milk. You know that's easy, but you
40:08
know it doesn't take a lot of work.
40:11
But when you get into the meat, you're able to be a teacher as
40:17
far as someone coming to you with another doctrine and you
40:21
say, no, that's evil. It's not good, it's evil.
40:26
You're wrong here. You can do you can you can speak
40:29
for the truth. And that's what he this whole
40:31
thing is, I think. And you know, I used to read
40:36
into it and it's like, well, what is me it?
40:39
If the book of Hebrews is not meat, then what in the world is
40:43
meat? If he said that I can't give you
40:45
any meat, I still got to give you milk.
40:47
And he goes through Hebrews 9:00 and 10:00.
40:49
And if that's still milk, then I want to know what the meat is.
40:55
But I haven't seen it yet, you know?
40:58
But I think he's saying these people could not, they defend
41:06
themselves against heresies, all teachers.
41:10
And they were attempting to go back into the law.
41:12
And he said, look, I got to get you guys saved again, basically,
41:16
like I got to get back square 1. You can't even discern good and
41:20
evil on your own. You've been just yeah, you're
41:23
not digging it in. You're not learning for
41:24
yourself. Yeah, Melvin.
41:28
Yeah. I just wanted to point out that
41:31
just kind of build on what Aaron was saying that it's not saying
41:35
necessarily that it's a certain time frame or a certain age
41:39
where you can have meat or he says it doesn't mean that you
41:44
have to. Be older to.
41:46
Eat meat he says to them that are full age and then he says
41:51
even that word even is italic. So they added that word in but
41:55
but it says that these that eat meat are those that who by the
42:00
reason of use of their senses. So it's really not he he's not
42:05
saying that it's a certain age necessarily, right.
42:09
And so the and the the interesting thing is, is that he
42:15
says by the reason, the use of their senses exercise.
42:18
So when you exercise, you know whether your body, you know,
42:22
you're exercising, you are using it right and and you're building
42:28
it up. And he says their senses are
42:30
exercise to do what? It's to discern both good and
42:35
evil. And you know, we need that,
42:38
right? I mean, we are just like Aaron
42:40
was saying about him and his wife.
42:42
We are bombarded, especially in this day and age with things
42:49
that are good and evil. Like the simple fact is, is that
42:52
they're either good or they're evil.
42:54
There is only two kingdoms, right?
42:57
There's no middle Rd. necessarily.
43:00
So we need to be at the age where we can, or at the point, I
43:06
should say, not at the age, but at the point where our senses
43:09
are exercised that we can discern good and evil and in
43:13
every day in our lives because we're being bombarded by that.
43:19
For sure. There's the obvious cliche
43:25
common statement that you are what you eat.
43:28
And my wife and I try to take that pretty seriously and, you
43:31
know, try to fuel our bodies with the best possible foods we
43:34
can. And, you know, try to stay
43:36
fairly consistent 80% of the time.
43:38
And 20% of the time we might just enjoy whatever we have
43:41
before us, But we purposely put in foods that are going to give
43:46
our body the nourishment and health and vitality that we need
43:50
to stay strong and healthy. Even then we're fighting an
43:53
uphill battle and and a losing 1.
43:55
We're our aging, we are decaying, we are growing old.
43:58
But do you eat the meat of God? Do you consume God's word in
44:04
that fashion where it sustains your soul, where it fills you
44:08
up, where it it gives you life and and purpose?
44:11
In John chapter 4, the disciples go off to get food at the city
44:16
and they come back. Meanwhile, as the disciples
44:18
prayed him saying, Master eat, but he said unto them, I have
44:21
meat to eat that ye know not of I've been eating something here,
44:25
you know, by sharing and ministering the word of God to
44:28
this lady at the well he was he was getting his sustenance, he
44:33
was filling up on the will of God.
44:36
And so when he uses the word senses here it it's kind of
44:39
helpful for me to break it down. You know, you got sight, smell,
44:43
hearing, tasting, touching. All of those senses are physical
44:47
appetites are our lusts and our drives and all the things that
44:51
we see, feel here. Taste and touch need to be
44:55
exercised so that we can know how much, when to stop, what the
45:01
limits are, what we should and shouldn't do.
45:04
And that all kind of boils down to this concept of not being
45:08
able to handle strong meat yet. And so when he says it kind of
45:13
makes this connection between physically eating meat to
45:18
spiritually eating meat and it being the word of God, the deep
45:22
truths of the word of God. And so until we are able to
45:26
control and moderate our own senses, we might not grow very
45:31
well in the spiritual sense. So there's there's this
45:33
physical, spiritual connection that maybe we don't pay enough
45:37
attention to sometimes if we're casual about our physical
45:42
senses. The sight here tastes, smell,
45:44
touch. Then perhaps we won't grow and
45:47
get to the point where we're able to handle strong meat
45:51
because we're still battling these little physical things
45:53
we're still dealing with. I can't overcome this little
45:56
addiction or this habit or whatever it might be.
45:59
And so he he says, as you mature, you should be able to
46:02
like he says. And I think it's in in
46:04
Thessalonians that every one of us should know how to possess
46:08
his own vessel in sanctification and honor.
46:11
So we shouldn't be still dealing with all these little things.
46:15
We should be able to move on and actually take in strong meat,
46:18
have our senses exercise to discern good and evil.
46:23
Yeah, yeah, it's really, really good.
46:26
If you have an additional comments go ahead.
46:29
But in the in the meantime I was I was thinking too like.
46:33
So. We have the Bible, you know,
46:35
it's, it's basically a road map for us.
46:37
It it's an instruction booklet or whatever you want to call it,
46:40
the Bible in general. And when I think about what it
46:44
says to discern both good and evil.
46:46
Like that's that's a good. Thing it is a really what what
46:53
God he gave us this this this road map or this instruction
46:58
booklet to keep us from hurting ourselves and others around us
47:01
and to be able to serve him and and know what he wants of us and
47:07
what what we should expect of him and all that good stuff
47:10
right and so when he writes stuff like you know it's obvious
47:14
that he wants the people the author of Hebrews here expects
47:18
or wants the people to discern good and evil and when I think
47:23
of that it's it's it's a it's actually a really faithful thing
47:29
you have to be able to discern on the spot it's going to keep
47:32
you from making that misstep like like one of the things even
47:37
if you're just you're cruising on the web and you come to a
47:39
website or whatever and it there's a you know that's
47:43
probably not right or whatever it can keep you from harm.
47:45
Actually the same thing physically too.
47:49
I mean, if you, if you're sharp in business, if you have your
47:52
senses exercised in the, in the world of business, you will much
47:56
sooner not misstep and cause yourself a financial problem.
48:02
You know, because you're, you're used to dealing it, you'll pick
48:04
up a lot sooner. And to dad's point too, not to
48:09
win this out, but he talked about the senses.
48:13
And I think that a godly person actually has that sixth sense.
48:16
We call it the spirit, the spirit of God in us that helps
48:19
us a sense danger so much sooner and especially if it's exercised
48:26
and and and youth it says by reason of use.
48:30
You know, if we exercise ourselves in, that's like any
48:32
other exercise. Yeah, if we want more examples
48:38
of what it would look like to have your offenses exercise, you
48:41
wouldn't fall for stupid stuff because you see through it.
48:46
And for example, when someone comes along and says, well,
48:54
let's start with this one. Someone that has their sins as
48:57
exercise and already crew and some wisdom knows that if you do
49:01
what God says, there's a blessing like you, you reap good
49:05
things like you walk after the Spirit, you don't lie, you don't
49:09
steal your you love your neighbors yourself.
49:13
You have the love of God in you and you live that out your
49:17
surroundings. Your life just gets better.
49:19
If you can do that, you'll do well in this life.
49:25
But where wisdom and discernment comes in to be able to concern
49:29
good and evil is when someone then comes along and says, Hey,
49:33
God wants you rich. Give me $1000 and God will give
49:38
you 10 and that 10% of the sudden you a a a guy that can
49:46
you discern good and evil will say, well, I have read in this
49:50
book. I think it's second Timothy,
49:51
where it says charge them that are rich for all the cautions
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and the how their snares and how that he's talked very bad about
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rich. So let me weigh that with your
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idea. God wanting me to be rich, not
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because I earned it, but because God's a lottery like, you know,
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you, you put it in money in the bucket and God like he has to
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change it out for you. And you also see that the only
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rich guy is the one getting my money.
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You know, you know, I never rich, you know, so that's a good
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example of how you can have your sense of exercise.
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You don't fall for all these, you know, in the second
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Corinthians, Paul says that about leaders.
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How that it's no marvel that these guys come and they
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basically rob the widows houses and they're money hungry and all
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these doctrines that they preach to keep you slave enslaved for
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them. He says it's no marvel, it's no
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surprise because even Satan can turn himself and his ministers
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turn themselves into the Angel of life.
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So God, God is saying that means God is saying if someone is
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doing these ungodly things in the name of Christ, he said
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ministers of Satan turn themselves into the angels of
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life. So I think that is a good way.
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So when someone comes along and says, hey, you give 10%, that's
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the law. You give 10% and you don't work
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on this day, you work, you don't work on that day, you don't eat
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this meat, you don't eat that. He's a minister of Satan.
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That's what God would say. We would say, oh, they're just a
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little mixed up. You know, they'll figure it out.
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You know, it's just they believe that Jesus died for them.
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Well, that's the part of them turning them into the Angel of
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light and righteousness of God. Like it's that sight and second
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Christian. So it's absolutely crucial that
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we have are able to discern these things and not get,
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because what they'll do is they'll come way around with a
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bunch of verses and they come in the back door.
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You know, Jesus said a thief does that.
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Like a thief goes around back, like he can't just go straight,
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but they have to come way around so that they can go all around
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the, the, the, the confidence and the hope that you have to
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kind of surround that and get around you and come in the back
52:26
and try to get you the doubt, the hope that you have in
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Christ. And so we need that discernment.
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And a lot of people are, they're not, don't have that
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discernment, and they are falling away.
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And that's what the exhortation here is, that they're going back
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to where there is no salvation. And he's like BBC, yeah.
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That's right. You know, I, I was thinking
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about back to Dan or not Dan, but Cam's comment about growth
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is to be expected when verse by verse teaching is available.
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You know, a certain a certain weight of this, these people not
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being skillful in the word of righteousness might have laid on
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the on the teachers as well. You know this the the author of
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Hebrews was not their teacher. Right.
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First and foremost, you know, so I mean, you can take that and I
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appreciate that comment. I I agree that good verse by
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verse, you know, in depth teaching is it's what grew me.
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I can tell you that much more than the sugar coated, you know,
53:35
fruit loops that you get when you listen to modern American
53:38
teaching. And, and so, so some of this
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weight gets put on the ones that are teaching.
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Like are you, are you teaching in such a way that the people
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can, can get skillful in the word of righteousness too?
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You know, and even even on a 1:00 to 1:00, if you're not, if
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you're not behind the podium, what about the ones that you
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talk with? What about the ones that you do
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associate with? If you appoint them?
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Can you? Can you?
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You know. I do have to say the group that
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we have here is, I would say pretty much every one of them
54:08
can defend themselves. They can contend for their faith
54:12
pretty good. Like, they're not, they're not
54:15
easy pushovers. And so it is a blessing.
54:19
But it's yeah. We've we've been attending a
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church, like I've told you before, that's more Calvinist in
54:26
their thinking. Although they blew up during
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COVID, they went from 100 people to 809 hundred people with two
54:32
services. And it's just a big, big group.
54:34
And they do learn more Calvinistic in their teaching,
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but there's a wide diversity of understanding in the
54:39
congregation. But the minister there is pretty
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faithful at sticking to the text.
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He goes verse by verse and teaches what's actually written
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there. Every now and then I sense his
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flavor coming through, but mostly he does a pretty good job
54:53
of sticking to it. And there are people there.
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I, I wouldn't have known them before, but you have a few
54:58
conversations with people in the congregation and whether they
55:01
got it before they came to the church or whether they got it
55:03
from that teaching there. I don't know.
55:06
But there's some stable, strong people who know the truth of the
55:10
gospel and they're not easily duped.
55:12
And they'll even pick up from the minister himself.
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Like I don't think that was sticking to the text.
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So I think that's dead on. Like if you understand, I
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remember before I heard the book of Ephesians taught to me the
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the whole book, the whole Bible was like a smorgasbord of
55:31
inspirational verses. And it was good.
55:34
I it was like milk to me. I remember my first Bible.
55:37
I think it might have been a new King James Bible.
55:38
It was a white 1. And I was highlighting in First
55:41
Corinthians all the verses that just really stuck out to me that
55:44
I really liked. And after reading through it a
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few 3-4 or five times, almost the whole page was all yellow
55:49
with highlighter. But each one of those verses was
55:52
just like a verse. Like, hey, look at this
55:54
inspirational verse. Like we could put this on the
55:56
fridge and be inspired by it, but it didn't fit together in
56:00
the flow and there was no context to it.
56:03
There was no grasping of the whole letter.
56:05
And I finally saw that, hey, the look of Ephesians is one letter
56:09
written to one group of people that needed to understand a
56:12
certain thing. So basically you could read it
56:14
like a sermon. It's got the gospel, it's got
56:17
the theology there. Then there's admonition
56:19
afterward. And so it kind of builds this
56:21
idea into your head that hey there, there shouldn't be just
56:26
application, application, application for 3456 weeks.
56:29
And then, oh, here's a, here's a gospel presentation application
56:33
application. No, every message should share
56:35
the gospel, even if it's an application type of messages,
56:39
you know there's knowing that their letters and understanding
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the flow and the the verse by verse type of stuff is just very
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powerful. It is.
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And I want to just say what you said about, you know, I have had
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that quite often here where people would say, hey, look,
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what did you mean by that? According to my understanding,
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this is what that means. And that's great.
57:01
And that's, yeah, I want to do a better job of bringing that out.
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And I don't know how, but yeah, I want to do better for sure.
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All right, 8:00. Sorry, Andrew's camp, is that
57:15
coming up this weekend? Yes, I was going to mention
57:18
that. Is it registration closed
57:20
already? No, not.
57:22
Really so registered? I mean it, it would help us if
57:26
you are would still make a quick decision if we would know.
57:30
But I talked to my wife and she said we always get extras for
57:35
people and then also there's people that cancel.
57:38
So if you want to make a last minute decision, don't worry
57:42
about it. Just come and enjoy the great
57:44
fellowship. I think it's going to be one of
57:46
our better camps. Yeah, how many people are
57:49
registered and remember 3? I've got a number lately.
57:52
I think it's around 3:50 to 360 somewhere in there.
57:55
So it's going to be to be a crowd and we added some more
58:00
stuff. So it's going to be.
58:01
It's good, yeah. Going to be really good.
58:03
So I would encourage anybody to check that out.
58:05
He has a website, he has a, you can find Andrew and his wife on
58:09
Facebook. There's links there to their
58:13
website that they have really a blessing.
58:16
We're going, we'll, we're planning on being there and
58:19
probably all of us except maybe Dan, huh.
58:20
It's going to be a, going to be a real, it's always a real
58:24
blessing. There's 350 people there that
58:26
want to learn more of what we were talking about tonight.
58:29
So it's it's always good fellowship stuff.
58:31
And also it seems like there's a lot of them that are skilled
58:34
from the work. It's just like all these people
58:37
that I actually understand. It's great.
58:40
Like it's, it's like a, what would you call it?
58:47
What is it that when you mix up a good drink like?
58:52
I don't know what you're talking about, not sure.
58:54
One at a bar, but they have a name for a really good cocktail
58:58
like. And it's.
59:03
Fruit. He was thinking of fruit
59:04
cocktail. I was going to say there's no
59:09
alcohol, but it's under one big huge tendon is in his lawn
59:15
there. So it's it's a great time.
59:16
So anyway, and also for those if you joined late, Dan shared his
59:22
WhatsApp in the chat there and his YouTube channel.
59:26
I would encourage you. He has some really, really good
59:28
content. I'm joined.
59:29
I listen to it every time he puts them out.
59:30
So anyway, with that we will close for tonight.
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It is that time of the day. So I do want to conclude today's
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study to remember Hebrews 11/1 where it says faith is a
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substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
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And I pray that your faith would reveal biblical truths more
59:50
clearly than your physical eyes can perceive the things around
59:52
you. Look forward to meeting all of
59:55
you in person next week. But for those of you, so that
59:59
won't be there, we're planning on having a Friday night webinar
1:00:04
just like we did tonight, next week.
1:00:06
It's a little bit iffy, but check in.
1:00:08
We'll do our best to host that. So we'll see you next Friday as
1:00:14
we continue to look through the Word of God and through the
1:00:17
substance of faith. God bless you guys.
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I appreciate your time like always and have a great week.
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And I too. See you guys.