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DECAPITATED DURING BIRTH, Staff Swaddles Baby, Replaces Head for Mom's 1st Peek at Baby Treveon Isaiah · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greace. I, like many many mothers
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Speaker 1: across the world, can easily say that the happiest day
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Speaker 1: of my life is when I first saw my twins, John,
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Speaker 1: David and Lucy. I remember the moment like it happened yesterday.
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Speaker 1: It was a very very difficult birth. Lucy and I
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Speaker 1: almost died, but the doctors at Northside Hospital saved our lives.
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Speaker 1: And I remember the moment and the joy I felt
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Speaker 1: when I locked eyes with them. This mother not so lucky.
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Speaker 1: Imagine the shock, the grappling with what she was hearing
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Speaker 1: when she learns her baby has been decapitated, decapitated during
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Speaker 1: birth at the hospital. How did that happen? Because after
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Speaker 1: the birth she saw the baby. The baby was wrapped
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Speaker 1: tightly in a blanket with his little head peeking out
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Speaker 1: of the blanket. What happened? How does a tiny baby,
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Speaker 1: an infant, a kneeborn, get decapitated at birth and the
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Speaker 1: staff shows mommy the baby with the head on I
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us here at Crime Stories and on series six
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Speaker 1: one eleven. I can tell you this much. I want
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Speaker 1: one answers to justice. If that hospital has to fall
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Speaker 1: down around us. I want justice, not just for the parents,
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Speaker 1: but for this baby and for future children that are
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Speaker 1: going to be delivered in similar circumstances. I don't want
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Speaker 1: another mother to hear what this mother heard. First of all,
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Speaker 1: listen to this.
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Speaker 2: And then this is the most egregious part. It is normal, natural, proper,
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Speaker 2: and right for parents after the baby is deceased to
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Speaker 2: say I want to see my baby, I want to
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Speaker 2: hold my baby. I want to touch the baby's fingers
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Speaker 2: before we put the baby away. And they wanted that also,
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Speaker 2: the staff as Southern Regional Medical Center, they lied to
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Speaker 2: them and said you cannot hold your baby, you cannot
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Speaker 2: touch your baby. And when they did not accept that,
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Speaker 2: when they didn't accept it, they persisted. Then Southern Regional
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Speaker 2: Medical Center they capitulated a little bit. They say, okay,
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Speaker 2: you can look at your child through a glass window,
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Speaker 2: and they wrapped the baby tightly in a blanket, propped
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Speaker 2: the baby's head up on the body, and set the
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Speaker 2: baby up through a glass window, basically making it look
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Speaker 2: like there was no decapitation. Once again, just defrauding and
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Speaker 2: lying to the young couple.
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Speaker 1: What am I hearing? What am I hearing? Joining me
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Speaker 1: in All Star panel. But first I want to go
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Speaker 1: to Ashley Lincoln, investigative reporter WSBTV Channel two News Atlanta. Ashley,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. What through a glass
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Speaker 1: window couldn't touch the baby? The baby's all wrapped up tightly?
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Speaker 1: Tell me what happened.
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Speaker 3: It's insane, man, see. I mean, we were all shocked
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Speaker 3: when we got the tips that this even happened. We
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Speaker 3: couldn't believe it.
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Speaker 1: Ashley. Let me understand something. Doctor Menisha Pandy is with me,
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Speaker 1: chief forensic pathologist LLC in Ohio, and she has witnessed
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Speaker 1: a decapitation of a baby during birth when she was
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Speaker 1: just a resident she was watching. Question to you, simple question,
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Speaker 1: doctor Pandy, was this, to your understanding, an internal decapitation?
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Speaker 1: In other words, like Shanquela Robinson where she was hit
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Speaker 1: so hard in the head her head became disattached to
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Speaker 1: her spine, but it looked like it was still on
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Speaker 1: the skin. Was holding the head on the body. Do
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Speaker 1: you understand this to be internal decapitation where the head
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Speaker 1: is actually still on the body or did they have
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Speaker 1: to take the head and put it on top of
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Speaker 1: the body.
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Speaker 4: This was a complete decapitation, meaning the head was completely
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Speaker 4: separate from the body.
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Speaker 1: J Scott Morgan joining me, renowned death investigator, Joe Scott,
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Speaker 1: do you understand I mean, I've read the autopsy report
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Speaker 1: ten times, but I'm just a JD. I understand it
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Speaker 1: to be an external decapitation. In other words, it wasn't
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Speaker 1: just the dislocation of the baby's head. The baby's head
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Speaker 1: was totally off the body.
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Speaker 5: You're right, you are in that sense, the baby's head
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Speaker 5: had to be delivered separately from the torso Nancy in
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Speaker 5: this particular case. So that would lead us to believe
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Speaker 5: that this was something that probably occurred from a procedural standpoint.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, let's not put the cart before
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Speaker 1: the horse. Joe Scott Morgan, yep. Nicole Parton also joining me,
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Speaker 1: Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter. But back to Ashley
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Speaker 1: Lincoln with WSBTTV. You were saying you couldn't believe it
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Speaker 1: when you heard this tip. Pick it up right there, Ashley.
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Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure I understood what exactly happened.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, what we know is that the baby was decapitated
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Speaker 3: through the sheer force that the doctor was applying. Press
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Speaker 3: children trying to get the baby through the birth canal.
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Speaker 3: And that's all based off the lawsuit that the family
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Speaker 3: is styled.
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Speaker 1: Guys, what do we know? What? How? Look, there are
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Speaker 1: difficult deliveries all over the world every minute that happens.
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Speaker 1: I worked on a big case, an anti trust case
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Speaker 1: dealing with certified nurse, midwives and doctors, and it dealt
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Speaker 1: specifically with normal vaginal births. I learned more about deliveries
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Speaker 1: than I ever thought I would. There have been a
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Speaker 1: lot of difficult deliveries. But to you, doctor Pandy, I've
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Speaker 1: heard of having to pull the baby out of the
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Speaker 1: vaginal truck, but decapitating the baby.
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Speaker 4: Yes, so it can happen when there is like very
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Speaker 4: long labor and the baby stuck, especially when the shoulders
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Speaker 4: are stuck at the vaginal canal. So the one which
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Speaker 4: I had business as a medical student is there was
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Speaker 4: long labor and they were pushing, pushing, and the obi
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Speaker 4: she was just pulling at the head and the head
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Speaker 4: just came out. So that was back in India.
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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen this happen in the US, doctor Pandy, No,
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Speaker 1: I did not, neither of I Joe Scott Morgan in
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Speaker 1: all of the deaths that you have investigated thousands, over
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Speaker 1: ten thousand death, many of them homicide, many of them
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Speaker 1: not homicide. Have you ever heard of a baby being
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Speaker 1: decapitated by a doctor during delivery at a hospital. Have
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Speaker 1: you ever seen this happen in the US ever in
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Speaker 1: all your years, Joe Scott Morgan.
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Speaker 5: No, So that's a note, never.
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Speaker 1: What exactly happened. It's not just that the baby's decapitated.
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Speaker 1: The infant decapitated. And I'm having a really hard time
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Speaker 1: saying that because they keep thinking back and thinking back
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Speaker 1: to when John David and Lucy were born, and how
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Speaker 1: they were swaddled very tightly, and the nurse first held
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Speaker 1: up John David, and I remember I was so weak
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Speaker 1: I couldn't even sit up to kiss him, so I
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Speaker 1: put a kiss on his forehead and they rushed off
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Speaker 1: with him, and then they held up Lucy same way.
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Speaker 1: They showed this mom and dad the baby and the
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Speaker 1: head was on there. So what was everybody around taking
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Speaker 1: part in the subterfuge. Let's trick the mom and put
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Speaker 1: the baby's head on top and wrap it. Who did that?
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Speaker 1: Whose idea was that? Okay, again, I'm putting the cart
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Speaker 1: before the horse listened to investigative reporter Sydney Sumner Crime Online.
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Speaker 6: Jessica Ross and Trevion Taylor Sr. Are told their baby
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Speaker 6: is not alive, but the hospital refuses to let them
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Speaker 6: see or hold their baby. Ross and Taylor continue to
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Speaker 6: argue with the hospital staff about seeing and touching their
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Speaker 6: baby until the hospital agrees to let the couple view
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Speaker 6: their child from behind a glass window.
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Speaker 1: They couldn't touch.
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Speaker 6: Their baby, they could only look at him. Trevion Isaiah
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Speaker 6: Taylor Junior has been wrapped very tightly and his head
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Speaker 6: is propped on his body so as to appear that
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Speaker 6: it's attached. The couple has no idea as to the
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Speaker 6: actual condition of their baby.
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Speaker 5: We just want just as for our son.
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Speaker 2: They lie to us, then't let us touch them.
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Speaker 5: We we don't like it. We just want justice for
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Speaker 5: our son.
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Speaker 1: The mother cannot even speak. Prime Stories with Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: God You Hidie Green joining us from Vancouver. Clinical psychologist,
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Speaker 1: trauma specialist and author of The Path to Self Love
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Speaker 1: and World Domination, Doctor Heidi Green, thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us, Doctor Heidi. You hear dad turning to the
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Speaker 1: mom and going, do you want to say anything? She
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Speaker 1: can't even say no. She just shakes her head. She
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Speaker 1: can't even speak doctor, Heidi. The effect this is going
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Speaker 1: to have on this mom and dad, and it's not
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Speaker 1: just the doctor. Somebody had to go along with cleaning
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Speaker 1: the baby up from the birth, cleaning the baby's head
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Speaker 1: up from the birth, putting a little hat on the
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Speaker 1: baby's head what not attached to a body, wrapping it
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Speaker 1: up and propping it there for the mom to see,
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Speaker 1: and going to the extra precaution of telling them they
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Speaker 1: couldn't hold the baby, they had to look at their
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Speaker 1: baby through a glass.
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Speaker 7: Nancy has been through trauma upon trauma upon trauma. In
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Speaker 7: this situation, my understanding is that her baby's head was
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Speaker 7: delivered at a different time than the body. She didn't
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Speaker 7: even know what was going on in the moment with
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Speaker 7: her own body. Nobody is communicating with her about what's happening.
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Speaker 7: She has no idea what's going on with her own
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Speaker 7: body or with her baby. And then to be lied
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Speaker 7: to by doctors, to have to argue with doctors. Can
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Speaker 7: you imagine you've just been told that your baby is dead,
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Speaker 7: and now you have to get into an argument with
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Speaker 7: the doctors who are supposed to be giving you compassionate
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Speaker 7: care helping you understand what in the world just happened,
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Speaker 7: But instead they're lying to you. You're having to argue
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Speaker 7: for your rights as a parent when you lose a
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Speaker 7: baby in the hospital and chire birth have a right
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Speaker 7: to hold that baby. That's part of the greeting process.
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Speaker 7: It's important to be able to spend some time with
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Speaker 7: that child and to take some pictures if you want.
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Speaker 1: Too.
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Speaker 7: Many parents choose to do that as well. Their entire
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Speaker 7: greeting process was steiny by the way that the medical
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Speaker 7: staff interacted with them in this effort to cover up
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Speaker 7: and so then to have to look at their baby
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Speaker 7: and not even know that this baby's head was not
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Speaker 7: attached to its body. To find that out days later,
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Speaker 7: here's the third or fourth or fifth trauma at this
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Speaker 7: point when they find out this information. It's just unreal
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Speaker 7: to me the way that this was handled and how
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Speaker 7: a situation that is horrible of course, was just made
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Speaker 7: so much worse by the way that the medical professionals
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Speaker 7: handled the situation and engaged with the parent.
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Speaker 1: Ashley Lincoln joining us from w s BTV Channel too. Ashley,
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Speaker 1: explain to me what you have uncovered, what you have
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Speaker 1: learned about them trying to prop the baby up so
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Speaker 1: the parents would look at the baby, think everything was okay,
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Speaker 1: and then try to get mom and dad to agree
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Speaker 1: to a cremation.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was an extensive cover up process that we
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Speaker 3: noted after going through the lawsuit. This didn't just involve
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Speaker 3: the obg U, I N but several nurses and other
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Speaker 3: medical staff at that hospital. They did not tell the
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Speaker 3: parents what exactly happened to that baby's body yet alone.
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Speaker 3: As you mentioned, they couldn't even touch their newborn. And
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Speaker 3: when all that was happening, the family was getting pressure
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Speaker 3: from hospital staff to cremate the baby, and their attorneys
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Speaker 3: tend to think that that was their effort to try
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Speaker 3: to cover any evidence of the decapitation. We do know
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Speaker 3: the hospital did not notify the Medical Examiner's office immediately,
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Speaker 3: which is protocol. They should have done that. Instead, they
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Speaker 3: just had the baby transported to the funeral home. The
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Speaker 3: family they had a sense that something was wrong, and
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Speaker 3: thankfully they did not go through with that cremation.
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Speaker 1: Well, hold on, let me ask you about the propping
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Speaker 1: the baby up part. Tell me where they were looking
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Speaker 1: through a glass window. How did that whole thing go down?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, from what we understand is that they took the
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Speaker 3: baby after they pulled it out of the mom's body,
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Speaker 3: and then took the child to another room where they
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Speaker 3: swaddled it very very tightly, and then they put it
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Speaker 3: in a I believe like that the in the newborn
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Speaker 3: NICKU type unit that typically premisrand and they had the
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Speaker 3: baby in one of those devices and propped the baby's
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Speaker 3: head on top with it being swaddled very very tightly.
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Speaker 3: And the couple they're very very young, I mean in
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Speaker 3: their early twenties. I just think through that trauma of
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Speaker 3: being one of high thinking you're about to have a
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Speaker 3: baby and learning that your baby did not make it
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Speaker 3: through the pregnancy, they were just they were in shock,
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Speaker 3: and I don't think they knew to ask the exact
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Speaker 3: questions that should have been asked because they were so young,
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Speaker 3: and they leaned on medical staff to guide them. They
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Speaker 3: trusted in their doctors and the medical staff, and they
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Speaker 3: truly believed what staff was telling them.
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Speaker 1: The dad is twenty two and had been with the
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Speaker 1: mom for years. As a matter of fact, what's backtrack?
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Speaker 1: How did the whole thing unfold? Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friends at crime Online.
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Speaker 6: Jessica Ross and Travion Taylor meet when they are both
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Speaker 6: students at North Clayton High School in Atlanta. They eagerly
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Speaker 6: anticipate the birth of their first child, a boy they
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Speaker 6: are naming Travion Isaiah Taylor Junior. They decided on premier
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Speaker 6: care for women because they were close by and because
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Speaker 6: there were women doctors there, so they felt they would
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Speaker 6: get the best care possible.
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Speaker 8: At ten am on July ninth, Jessica Ross's water broke
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Speaker 8: and she went into labor at thirty seven weeks gestation.
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Speaker 8: At eight forty pm, after over ten hours of labor,
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Speaker 8: she was fully dilated and her doctors told her to
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Speaker 8: start pushing.
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Speaker 1: Ten hours of labor is that normal? I had an
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Speaker 1: emergency c section because Lucy was dying, So I don't
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Speaker 1: know what does that mean, doctor Pandy? Is ten hours normal?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 4: I mean people have fifteen eighteen hours as well. But
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Speaker 4: the thing is that you have to make sure that
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Speaker 4: everyone is doing okay.
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Speaker 1: So ten hours of labor and then suddenly the fetal
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Speaker 1: monitors at this hospital, Southern Regional Medical Center, the monitors
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Speaker 1: show there is no more fetal heartbeat. I mean, let
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Speaker 1: me ask you, this just Scott Morgan, don't those fetal
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Speaker 1: monitors show. I mean, I saw my dad's monitor as
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Speaker 1: he was dying, and we had plenty of notice that
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Speaker 1: his heart rate was decreasing, his blood pressure was decreasing.
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Speaker 1: We could see it right over his bed. So it's
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Speaker 1: hard for me to believe that suddenly I believe there's
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Speaker 1: just no heartbeat. I would think that it would get
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Speaker 1: fainter and fainter. What's the norm.
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Speaker 5: Of course it would. And you know, this is not
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Speaker 5: like when my kids were born, you know, many many
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Speaker 5: years ago, and there were fetal monitors then. Now this
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Speaker 5: is so fine tuned that there would be an awareness.
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Speaker 5: And again this goes to the professionalism or lack thereof,
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Speaker 5: of the staff in the middle of all of this
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Speaker 5: and this storm that has been going on. You had
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Speaker 5: mentioned just a second ago how she had been pushing
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Speaker 5: for ten hours at this point, and they have a
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Speaker 5: close watch on this, and then all of a sudden
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Speaker 5: you see the monitor begin to tank. You know that
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Speaker 5: something is wrong, and you have to initiate heroic measures
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Speaker 5: at that point in time. And the idea that this
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Speaker 5: course was chosen is just baffling to me.
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Speaker 1: Nancy, you just said Joe Scott Morgan, you said the
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Speaker 1: storm was going on. The storm was not going on.
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Speaker 1: That hospital created the storm. They created this scenario because,
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Speaker 1: as you correctly pointed out, Joe Scott Morgan, who has
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Speaker 1: investigated thousands of human deaths, you would have seen distress happening.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that true, Doctor Manisha Pandy, that a beeper goes off,
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Speaker 1: you can look up there and see that the heart
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Speaker 1: rate is slipping away.
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Speaker 4: Yes, I mean they should be to see because everything
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Speaker 4: starts beeping so all.
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Speaker 1: I mean, has anybody been in the hospital and you
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Speaker 1: hear that constant beat, beat, beat, beat beeping here all
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Speaker 1: night long when something goes wrong. I heard it all
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Speaker 1: night every night I was in the hospital. I would
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Speaker 1: hear one of my monitors going off. There had to
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Speaker 1: be a monitor going off. But now hear all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden boom, there's no heartbeat. That uh, they created
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Speaker 1: the storm. Listen to Dave Matt Crime online.
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Speaker 9: Doctor Tracy Saint Julian continues to try and force a
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Speaker 9: vaginal birth and Jessica Ross continues to push. At nine
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Speaker 9: twenty six pm, the fetal monitor showed an abnormal fetal
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Speaker 9: heartbeat and the heart rate continues to decrease for the
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Speaker 9: next hour and ten minutes, while doctor Saint Julian continues
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Speaker 9: to have Ross push. By ten thirty six pm, there
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Speaker 9: is no sign of a fetal heartbeat.
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Speaker 10: Three hours and ten minutes after Travon Junior's shoulder got
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Speaker 10: stuck and Jessica Ross and Travion Taylor Senior asked for
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Speaker 10: a sea section to be performed, Doctor Saint Julian performs
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Speaker 10: an emergency sea section at eleven forty nine pm. At
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Speaker 10: twelve eleven am, the baby's body and legs are delivered
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Speaker 10: by sea section and his head is delivered vaginally.
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Speaker 1: When I first heard that, I had to read it
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Speaker 1: again in the body was delivered by c section, the
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Speaker 1: baby's head Trayvon Isaiah Junior's head was delivered vaginally. Now
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Speaker 1: did you hear the timing? And isn't it true? Dale Carson?
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Speaker 1: Dale Carson joining me, high profile lawyer out of Jacksonville
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Speaker 1: former FBI. Isn't it true? The devil is lurking in
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Speaker 1: the details. And if you don't know the details, is
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Speaker 1: a good trial lawyer? Your crap? You're not worth a
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Speaker 1: salt that goes in your bread. Isn't that true? Dale? Carson,
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Speaker 1: That is absolutely true. Did you hear this detail? Did
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Speaker 1: you hear this detail? At nine to twenty six pm,
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Speaker 1: the fetal monitors showed abnormal fetal heartbeat. The heartbeat continues
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Speaker 1: to decrease, decrease, decrease. Ten there is no heartbeat. So
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Speaker 1: they all sat there on their thumbs while the heart
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Speaker 1: beat totally stopped and did nothing. Wait, that's ten thirty six,
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Speaker 1: and then correct me if I'm wrong, Ashley Lincoln, and
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Speaker 1: I know that you will ten thirty six. At eleven
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Speaker 1: forty nine, they do the sea section.
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Speaker 3: They waited multiple hours before doing the Sincerean section, and
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Speaker 3: then was also noted that not only no one else
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Speaker 3: a part of the medical staff advocated for a Cincerean section.
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Speaker 1: And you know what I heard, Ashley, when I was
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Speaker 1: researching the case, is that the dad, Taylor Senior, and
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Speaker 1: the mom Jessica, both asked for a sea section as
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Speaker 1: soon as they heard his shoulder wouldn't come through vasually.
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Speaker 1: They wanted a sea section right then, and it was
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Speaker 1: well over an hour, nearly two hours before the daughter
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Speaker 1: said okay, we'll do we see. Is that right, Ashley?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is correct, And you got to keep in mind.
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Speaker 3: Just how small the mom is. I believe she's only
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Speaker 3: four feet nine inches. She's a tiny woman, so I'm
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Speaker 3: sure she really felt that strain and pressure when that
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Speaker 3: baby became launched in her birth canal.
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Speaker 1: Then we have the whole cover up. Tell me again
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Speaker 1: about the cover up, Ashley.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's to our knowledge. After the doctor and staff
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Speaker 3: realized what happened, they went into a bad move, but
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Speaker 3: they started to cover up their actions. They took the baby,
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Speaker 3: they swallowed the baby, didn't tell the mom and dad
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Speaker 3: what happened. Again, they wouldn't let mom and dad even
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Speaker 3: touch the baby. So that's compounded on top of everything else.
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Speaker 3: And we do know they did not fall protocol by
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Speaker 3: notifying proper management at the hospital what happened. They did
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Speaker 3: not notify the medical Examiner's office what happened. On top
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Speaker 3: of they started pressuring the family to consider cremating.
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Speaker 1: They're doo born, Ashley Lincoln. Hold on right there. Barry
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Speaker 1: Hutchinson Senior is joining me. Former veteran law enforcement officer,
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Speaker 1: owner chief investigator for Barry and Associates Investigative Services, joining
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Speaker 1: us out of Kansas. Barry Hutchison, of course, I'm not
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Speaker 1: a private eye. But I know this much. When your premie,
23:34
Speaker 1: your nurses and the Dodgers start hanging over you, going
23:37
Speaker 1: y'all to have a y'all to do cremation? Have you
23:40
Speaker 1: considered cremation? The baby just died, and right then they
23:44
Speaker 1: all troop in and tell mom to get a cremation.
23:48
Speaker 1: I tell you what, I would get every name of
23:50
Speaker 1: every person that trooped into that room and told her
23:54
Speaker 1: to get a cremation. I mean, that's a big red flag.
23:58
Speaker 1: Barry Hutchinson, I would agree with out one hundred percent.
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Speaker 11: And Nancy, I think what it's a nightmare. You know,
24:04
Speaker 11: there's such a thing in the medical field is called
24:07
Speaker 11: standards of care, and I think that that has been
24:11
Speaker 11: grossly violated in this instance, just just from the very
24:15
Speaker 11: start to even.
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Speaker 1: To the end.
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Speaker 11: And one thing that I wanted to ask a question
24:20
Speaker 11: about here, and there's a very specific reason why I'm
24:25
Speaker 11: asking it, And those of you that have read the
24:27
Speaker 11: autopsy report, have any indication in there of an episiotomy
24:32
Speaker 11: taking place as well while they were trying to extract
24:36
Speaker 11: the child's head from the mother too.
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, who has very carefully reviewed the autopsy
24:43
Speaker 1: along with me, there's nothing in the baby's autopsy that
24:48
Speaker 1: would reveal whether the mother had an episiotomy, which is basically,
24:53
Speaker 1: when the baby can't come through vaginally, the surgeon makes
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Speaker 1: a cut, slices between the job and the rectum to
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Speaker 1: enlarge an opening for the child to be born. Do
25:06
Speaker 1: I have that right, Joe Scott.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you're absolutely right, Nancy, And it's my belief that
25:12
Speaker 5: that data is going to be contained within the mother's
25:14
Speaker 5: medical records.
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Speaker 11: If they were in such a state of heightened emergency
25:19
Speaker 11: for the mother and the baby, they would want to
25:21
Speaker 11: extract the baby as quickly as possible, whether it's to
25:25
Speaker 11: the birth canal or a C section. If an episiotomy
25:29
Speaker 11: wasn't done, that shows that they weren't in a heightened
25:32
Speaker 11: state of emergency, and as far as my opinion, at least,
25:35
Speaker 11: they didn't. They didn't exhaust all means of emergency from
25:39
Speaker 11: my standpoint, to try to extricate the child, you know,
25:44
Speaker 11: and save the mother's life and the baby's life right away.
25:47
Speaker 11: It just seems to me like they drugged their feet
25:48
Speaker 11: there the entire process, and they it's just terrific how
25:53
Speaker 11: they handled everything. I mean, correct me. If I'm wrong,
25:56
Speaker 11: but I think that's an important piece of information very much.
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Speaker 1: Just a senior, you're absolutely correct, and I did not
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Speaker 1: think of that. You're right. If there had been a
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Speaker 1: problem during the ten hours of labor and the fetal
26:09
Speaker 1: heartbeat dropping, why not do an episiotomy and get the
26:12
Speaker 1: baby out? And you wouldn't have even had a dislocated
26:15
Speaker 1: shoulder if you had done the episiotomy, because there would
26:18
Speaker 1: have been more room other than the vaginal opening to
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Speaker 1: get the baby out. That's such an important detail.
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Speaker 5: Barry, and listen. I know this is very dark what
26:28
Speaker 5: I'm about to say, but you know, when you begin
26:30
Speaker 5: to think about you use the term subterfuge relative to
26:34
Speaker 5: the baby's presentation. I gotta tell you, I don't know.
26:41
Speaker 5: I don't know if I were an investigator that I
26:43
Speaker 5: would trust anything in the mama's medical records. I would
26:48
Speaker 5: take a long look at them who all is involved
26:51
Speaker 5: in this when it comes from to a procedural perspective,
26:54
Speaker 5: because it seems like they're trying to cover their rear
26:56
Speaker 5: end in this case.
26:57
Speaker 1: Did you see the analysis in the autopsy the muscular
27:01
Speaker 1: skeletal system of the baby baby Trevor Isaiah Junior. The
27:06
Speaker 1: axculum in the appendecular skeleton is unremarkable. The skeletal muscles
27:11
Speaker 1: are normally developed and unremarkable. In other words, this baby
27:17
Speaker 1: was fine. There was nothing wrong at all with this
27:22
Speaker 1: baby physically, nothing at all.
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Speaker 5: No, this child, this little angel, was viable. Nancy. You
27:29
Speaker 5: have to I mean, we have to say plainly here,
27:31
Speaker 5: this is a viable baby at this point in time.
27:35
Speaker 5: And that's why this is so very egregious.
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Speaker 1: I think also where you have near the end of
27:41
Speaker 1: the autopsy report, everybody jump in. I know you've all
27:43
Speaker 1: reviewed it. Summary of findings and pathologic diagnoses. Fetal demise
27:49
Speaker 1: related to delivery complications. That's putting it mildly. Delivery complications
27:56
Speaker 1: caused by the doctor in the hospital. And we reached
27:58
Speaker 1: out to the hospital and you know, they did not
28:01
Speaker 1: want me to ask them any questions. History of shoulder
28:04
Speaker 1: dystocia is that doesn't that just mean the shoulder was dislocated?
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Speaker 5: Scott, Yeah, And it goes to the size of the
28:13
Speaker 5: child that's trying to pass through this vaginal and that's
28:16
Speaker 5: an assessment that the practitioner makes and tries to understand that. However,
28:22
Speaker 5: I got to say the point two looking at this,
28:26
Speaker 5: this is key Dale mentioned this just a second ago
28:29
Speaker 5: about homicide. They're listing terminal everybody here that word terminal decapitation.
28:36
Speaker 5: That means that this brought about the end of this
28:38
Speaker 5: baby's life.
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Speaker 12: So they're not saying that the head was removed from
28:43
Speaker 12: the body in the OSPs of report, and there's a
28:46
Speaker 12: reason for that. It would be this is six days later.
28:49
Speaker 12: But it shows up six days later. The body has
28:52
Speaker 12: been at a funeral home and God only knows what's
28:55
Speaker 12: been it's been put through during that time. And so
28:59
Speaker 12: this is a criminal investigation. It seems clear otherwise it
29:02
Speaker 12: wouldn't have been handled by the Medical Examiner's office. So
29:06
Speaker 12: anyone connected with this matter is subject to conspiracy charge
29:10
Speaker 12: in connection with an involuntary homicide.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that I would go with involuntary. Uh
29:17
Speaker 1: in oh. They knew what they were doing. They doctor
29:20
Speaker 1: knew what the doctor was doing. Uh inn oh. Time
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Greece. Back to the summary of pathologic diagnoses.
29:44
Speaker 1: B head trauma, extensive subscalpular hemorrhage. I mean he's bruising
29:50
Speaker 1: and bleeding, posterior cranial fossa fracture. The cranium was fracture. Okay,
30:02
Speaker 1: you have to read every word of this autopsy to
30:07
Speaker 1: understand what happened to this baby. The skull, the cranium
30:12
Speaker 1: was fractured. There is bleeding, hemorrhage, neck trauma, soft tissue hemorrhage.
30:19
Speaker 1: Hemorrhage means bleeding which turns it to a bruise. Yes, no, Joe.
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Speaker 5: Scott, Yes, yes, you're absolutely.
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Speaker 1: Normally formed and developed infant male, absence of natural disease,
30:33
Speaker 1: absence of any congenital abnormalities. This baby was perfect. And
30:41
Speaker 1: it doesn't end there. Oh no, it doesn't end there.
30:45
Speaker 1: Did you hear Del Carson say the funeral home contacted
30:50
Speaker 1: the medical examiner. Okay, listen to Dave Matt Crime Online.
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Speaker 9: When Jessica Ross and Trevion Taylor Senior asked questions about
30:58
Speaker 9: what happened, they're a buffed. They ask about having an
31:01
Speaker 9: autopsy done. Hospital staff tells them they're not entitled to
31:05
Speaker 9: a free autopsy. The hospital staff also strongly encourages the
31:09
Speaker 9: couple to have the baby cremated. Ross and Taylor refused
31:12
Speaker 9: to have their baby cremated, and the hospital has the
31:15
Speaker 9: body of Travion Isaiah Taylor Jr. Sent to Willie A.
31:18
Speaker 9: Whykin's funeral home.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand something, Joe Scott Morgan, you're the
31:23
Speaker 1: expert in issuing death certificates. They tried to tell the parents, well,
31:29
Speaker 1: you'll have to pay for an autopsy. That's bs, that's
31:31
Speaker 1: not true. I've never had a victim's family have to
31:35
Speaker 1: pay for an autopsy ever.
31:37
Speaker 5: Yeah, and who wound up having to report this to
31:39
Speaker 5: the medical examiner, Nancy. It was a funeral home, just
31:41
Speaker 5: as you had pointed out, And it goes outside the
31:45
Speaker 5: boundaries of normal practice here because this is listen. I
31:49
Speaker 5: worked for them for a long long time and we
31:52
Speaker 5: had still bursts. Now these are still burths, okay, which
31:55
Speaker 5: this was not. This child did not die in utero.
32:00
Speaker 5: That's why they say there's no maceration there. There's a
32:02
Speaker 5: term that she used there that means that I won't
32:05
Speaker 5: go into all the details, but just so that we
32:06
Speaker 5: know this was a viable child when they rolled into
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Speaker 5: the hospital.
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Speaker 1: Back to an autopsy, which was the question. MP. Back
32:15
Speaker 1: on the road out of the weeds, think to the families,
32:18
Speaker 1: don't have to pay for an autopsy?
32:20
Speaker 5: Do they know if they reported this case, to the
32:23
Speaker 5: m E. Nancy, the emmy would have come taken this
32:26
Speaker 5: baby and they would have done a post at that
32:28
Speaker 5: very moment in time from the hospital. I can you
32:31
Speaker 5: can take that to the bank. I promise you it
32:33
Speaker 5: was not reported to them.
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Speaker 1: Listen to Nicole Parton.
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Speaker 8: Sylvia Watkins is the general manager for Willie A. Watkins
32:40
Speaker 8: Funeral Home. When the body of Travon Isaiah Taylor Junior
32:44
Speaker 8: arrived at the funeral home from the hospital, she knew
32:47
Speaker 8: immediately something was wrong. A body in this condition, where
32:51
Speaker 8: the head is not attached to the body, would normally
32:54
Speaker 8: come from the medical Examiner's office, not the hospital. Having
32:58
Speaker 8: never seen anything like this before, or Watkins notifies the
33:01
Speaker 8: Medical Examiner's office about the condition of the dead infant.
33:05
Speaker 8: The hospital did notify the Medical Examiner's office about the
33:09
Speaker 8: death of the baby, but they were not aware of
33:12
Speaker 8: the condition of the baby until the funeral home notified them.
33:15
Speaker 8: The funeral home also notified Jessica Ross and Trevion Isaiah
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Speaker 8: Taylor about the condition of their baby.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now is investigative reporter Nicole Parton, who
33:28
Speaker 1: also has an expertise and extensive knowledge in the services
33:36
Speaker 1: of funeral homes and embalment. Nicole Parton, thank you for
33:41
Speaker 1: being with us in all of your expertise. Have you
33:45
Speaker 1: ever seen anything like it?
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Speaker 13: I have not, and I have cared for close to
33:51
Speaker 13: two hundred infants that have came from the hospital that
33:55
Speaker 13: have passed, either stillborn or passed during childbirth. I've never
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Speaker 13: ever seen a child that was decapitated during the birth.
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Speaker 1: Now, what is the procedure in a funeral home when
34:10
Speaker 1: the hospital sends a body over and the funeral home
34:14
Speaker 1: looks at the body and says, this isn't right. How
34:17
Speaker 1: did this go Downnicle? Because it's more subterfuged, hiding cover up.
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Speaker 1: They want to get the baby from the hospital to
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Speaker 1: the funeral home. Hopefully the hospital wants her to have
34:30
Speaker 1: a cremation so there's no evidence of what has happened,
34:35
Speaker 1: but the parents refuse the cremation, so the baby gets
34:37
Speaker 1: sent to the funeral home. What happens upon intake?
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Speaker 13: And this funeral home did everything right, so up on
34:43
Speaker 13: intake of a body, of course, the deceased individual is
34:46
Speaker 13: received and staff of that funeral home will open the
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Speaker 13: body bag, will confirm the name, the ID numbers, and
34:53
Speaker 13: will begin to evaluate the body in this baby's case.
34:57
Speaker 13: Immediately the staff said, wait a minute, the head is
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Speaker 13: detached from the body.
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Speaker 3: This is not normal.
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Speaker 13: Under no circumstances whatsoever would the funeral home receive a
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Speaker 13: body from the hospital in that manner. Anytime the death
35:13
Speaker 13: is suspicious or uncommon, or the person passed away from
35:17
Speaker 13: something other than what they were being treated for. Immediately,
35:21
Speaker 13: the medical Examiner's office would have been involved, not the
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Speaker 13: funeral home first. So the funeral home recognizes the mistake
35:28
Speaker 13: and right away calls the medical Examiner's office.
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Speaker 1: You're right, Nicole Parton again, the manager of Watkins's funeral Home, Sylvania.
35:37
Speaker 1: Watkins says that she recalls the intake of baby Trevon
35:44
Speaker 1: Isaiah Junior's body and realized something was wrong, horribly wrong.
35:51
Speaker 1: That it was a red flag her words, not mine,
35:55
Speaker 1: a red flag that the baby's body had come from
35:58
Speaker 1: Southern Regional Center to the funeral home in this condition.
36:05
Speaker 1: So what does she do upon getting the baby's body
36:09
Speaker 1: with the head disattached?
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Speaker 3: Ashley, she contacted the Clayton County Medical Examiner's office because
36:17
Speaker 3: the new protocol wasn't followed and they knew something was off.
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Speaker 1: It was the funeral home, not the hospital, who first
36:24
Speaker 1: informed anyone, including the parents of the baby's state. Is
36:35
Speaker 1: that correct, Ashley? In other words, they heard from the
36:39
Speaker 1: funeral home their baby had been decapitated.
36:42
Speaker 3: The family did find out from the funeral homes, sing Julian.
36:46
Speaker 3: She she just told them at the hospital that he
36:49
Speaker 3: passed and it was the funeral home who notified the family.
36:52
Speaker 1: To Joe Scott Morgan, professor of forensics at Jacksonville State University,
36:59
Speaker 1: author of Bloodmain My Feet, and host on a hit
37:01
Speaker 1: series Body Bags. And when I say professor are forensics
37:05
Speaker 1: at Jacksonville State University, Their criminal justice and forensics program
37:11
Speaker 1: is amazing. Joe Scott during an autopsy. I didn't realize
37:18
Speaker 1: this until I prosecuted my first homicide. It's very typical
37:23
Speaker 1: SOP standard operating procedure to take photos of the deceased
37:28
Speaker 1: that in the future may be used at trial. Is
37:33
Speaker 1: that correct?
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Speaker 5: Yes, that's correct, Nancy.
37:35
Speaker 1: And why are photos taken of the deceased body Because.
37:38
Speaker 5: You're freezing that moment in time. You can't go back
37:42
Speaker 5: to it at all, And so the people in the courtroom,
37:46
Speaker 5: they have to be oriented to what the physician is saying.
37:49
Speaker 5: The forensic pathologist on the stand. That's their sole purpose
37:53
Speaker 5: to illustrate this and again sometimes to refresh witnesses. But
37:57
Speaker 5: their purpose there is to document what precisely happened that
38:03
Speaker 5: led up to this terminal event, and the doctor can
38:06
Speaker 5: explain it visa via the pictures.
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Speaker 1: Guys, after this, mom and dad find out their baby
38:12
Speaker 1: has had its head cut off cut off during delivery.
38:18
Speaker 1: It didn't just happen as part of the delivery, the
38:22
Speaker 1: baby's head was cut off. They hire someone to do
38:27
Speaker 1: an independent autopsy.
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Speaker 10: Listen Jessica Ross and Trayvon Taylor say they hired doctor
38:34
Speaker 10: Jackson Gates to perform an autopsy. Doctor Gates charged two
38:38
Speaker 10: five dollars to perform the autopsy, then took video and
38:42
Speaker 10: pictures of the decapitated baby and posted the media to
38:45
Speaker 10: Instagram without permission. The family didn't know about this for days.
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Speaker 8: Roderick Edmund is quoted as saying, what educational value is
38:54
Speaker 8: it to anybody to view a picture of a decapitated baby?
38:58
Speaker 8: A cease and desist was and the photos and videos
39:01
Speaker 8: were taken down. However, days later, two more videos from
39:06
Speaker 8: the Travion Isaiah Taylor Junior's autopsy were published to gates
39:10
Speaker 8: Instagram page. The new videos included the autopsy of the
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Speaker 8: chess cavity and the cranial cavity of the child.
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Speaker 1: Ashley Lincoln. Does it never end the pain and the
39:21
Speaker 1: suffering of this young mom and dad? So they get
39:25
Speaker 1: this independent autopsy and the guy that performs the autopsy
39:30
Speaker 1: posts or somebody in the office posts the photos of
39:36
Speaker 1: the dead baby online. What on Insta? Is this real?
39:42
Speaker 3: It is real? Unfortunately, I mean my mouth dropped. I
39:45
Speaker 3: was like yet another layer of trauma for this family.
39:48
Speaker 3: And they were posted by that doctor, that independent pathologist
39:52
Speaker 3: that the family hired. They thought that they were doing
39:56
Speaker 3: something good. Hiring it outside helped since they couldn't trust
39:58
Speaker 3: the hospital yet a loan to have their trust disrupted
40:02
Speaker 3: again by this doctor. The doctor told me I spoke
40:06
Speaker 3: with him directly. He says he had the family's consent
40:10
Speaker 3: to post the photos. Clearly that's something the family and
40:13
Speaker 3: their attorneys are denying. And the doctor he was firm
40:18
Speaker 3: and that he thought to him posting this for educational purposes. Yes,
40:23
Speaker 3: other photos of other autopsies posted on his Instagram page,
40:28
Speaker 3: and the family sent the season desist the internet.
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Speaker 12: They could be everywhere by now.
40:33
Speaker 1: But even if they're down now Dale Carson, they were
40:38
Speaker 1: up certainly, you heard Joe Scott Morgan. I've used autopsy
40:41
Speaker 1: photos at trial before and I would make sure nobody
40:45
Speaker 1: could see them except the gurrs because it's awful and
40:49
Speaker 1: it's disrespectful. This is a little baby. And they posted
40:53
Speaker 1: them online. Well, yes they.
40:55
Speaker 12: Did, and they'll never come down because there are people
40:58
Speaker 12: who want to see that kind of pure.
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Speaker 1: Is that true, Barry Hutcheson Senior.
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Speaker 11: Absolutely, it's true. It's already on the dark web, I'm sure.
41:05
Speaker 11: And just like Joe said, there's a lot of sick
41:08
Speaker 11: people out there in the world that will pay good
41:10
Speaker 11: money to see these type of morbid images. And you know,
41:14
Speaker 11: it's sickening and it's horific.
41:17
Speaker 1: No offense to you, Barry Hutchinson, but you're making me
41:20
Speaker 1: sick think about it. After what the mom and dad
41:23
Speaker 1: have been through. She so happy to have this baby.
41:29
Speaker 1: They've been together for years. They're having their first baby.
41:33
Speaker 1: It's a baby boy. They're naming it after dad. He's
41:36
Speaker 1: going to be a junior. Ten hours of labor and
41:42
Speaker 1: the baby is decapitated. I don't mean internal decapitation, where
41:46
Speaker 1: the head is still attached to the body by skin
41:50
Speaker 1: and the head is just loose from the spine, I
41:52
Speaker 1: mean full on head off the body. The body of
41:59
Speaker 1: the baby boy is delivered by c section, his head
42:05
Speaker 1: is delivered vaginally. Now at doctor Jackson Gates's office, they
42:15
Speaker 1: post it online for freaks to look at. Yeah, it's
42:19
Speaker 1: down now. How many cease and desist orders did it
42:23
Speaker 1: take to get it down? But it's down now. But
42:28
Speaker 1: it's just like Barry Hutchinson Senior and Dale Carsenter saying
42:32
Speaker 1: there's something called the dark web. People actually pay money
42:37
Speaker 1: for this type of a morbid photo. Listen to Cinney
42:43
Speaker 1: Sumner Crime Online.
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Speaker 6: Jessica Ross and Trevion Taylor claimed he did this to
42:47
Speaker 6: increase views of his social media accounts and increase his
42:50
Speaker 6: own notoriety, calling it diabolical. Doctor Rod Edmund told Fox
42:55
Speaker 6: five Atlanta, after all the abuse this young couple has suffered,
42:59
Speaker 6: doctor Gates continue to perpetuate it by posting photos and
43:02
Speaker 6: videos of their decapitated son on Instagram. The couple accused
43:05
Speaker 6: Gates of taking twenty five hundred dollars to perform an
43:08
Speaker 6: autopsy on the baby and then posting a full face
43:10
Speaker 6: picture in videos of his organs on Instagram.
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Speaker 1: Actually, link in the case has now been classified as
43:18
Speaker 1: a homicide, and I understand that the local prosecutors there
43:23
Speaker 1: in Clayton County are pondering charges. What does that mean?
43:29
Speaker 1: Pondering charges? When are we getting a homicide indictment?
43:34
Speaker 3: Yeah? Right now. Clayton Police confirmed with us last week
43:37
Speaker 3: that their investigation is ongoing. They initially say that they
43:43
Speaker 3: handed the case over to the DA's office, but they
43:46
Speaker 3: since walk that back and they're still investigating. So soon
43:50
Speaker 3: as they complete their investigation, it'll get handed over to
43:53
Speaker 3: Clayton County District Attorney's office and they'll have to consider
43:57
Speaker 3: filing charges in this case.
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Speaker 1: Bringing charges, I don't know about you. Del Carson, former
44:04
Speaker 1: FBI nine. Now I profile a lawyer. I love putting
44:08
Speaker 1: a medical doctor on the stand because they think they're
44:14
Speaker 1: smarter than everybody else in the room, and actually usually
44:17
Speaker 1: they really are. But this one, Oh, I would love
44:22
Speaker 1: love to get them on cross examination. So what's the
44:27
Speaker 1: hold up, Clayton County. You're afraid of cross examining a
44:31
Speaker 1: medical doctor. Why are you dragging your feet? I volunteer
44:37
Speaker 1: to come try the case for you. Let your voice
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Speaker 1: be heard the Clayton County District Attorney Tasha Moseley seven
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Speaker 1: seven zero four seven seven three four five zero repeat
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Speaker 1: seven seven zero four seven seven three four five zero.
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Speaker 1: The doctors didn't take up for the baby. The nurses
45:01
Speaker 1: didn't take up for the baby. The autopsy doctor made
45:10
Speaker 1: money off the baby and posted pictures of the dead
45:14
Speaker 1: baby's body. Who's going to stand up for the baby.
45:19
Speaker 1: It's time for the Clayton County District attorney elected to
45:24
Speaker 1: do your job, woman and bring us to a grand jury. Also,
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Speaker 1: let's just go all the way to the Attorney General
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Speaker 1: Christopher car He seems to be a decent guy. For
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Speaker 1: zero four six ' five one eight six hundred repeat
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Speaker 1: four zero four six ' five one eight six hundred
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Speaker 1: or email at ag as far Attorney General A G.
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Speaker 1: A G. Car at law dot g A dot gov.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take up for that baby. Will you join me? Goodbye, Sam,