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Monday Mini: An Update on Abortion in the US · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane
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  Speaker 1: never told your protection of I Heart Radio, and welcome
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  Speaker 1: to another Monday Mini where we're gonna talk about sad
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  Speaker 1: things because that's what we do sometimes. And unfortunately, the
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  Speaker 1: reality is there's a lot happening and we can't shy
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  Speaker 1: away from it no matter how much we want to.
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  Speaker 1: So go ahead and put this as your content warning.
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  Speaker 1: We are talking about abortion and what is happening around
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  Speaker 1: this country as the band has taken place and many
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  Speaker 1: of the states have gone to a total band, slash
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  Speaker 1: heartbeat band or the six week to fifteen week bands.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, if you're not ready for this, if you
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  Speaker 1: don't want to deal with this right now, that's fine,
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  Speaker 1: but just remember we can't ignore it because it is
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  Speaker 1: happening and we are having to deal with it. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: all those things and there is a lot happening. As
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  Speaker 1: mid terms are throwing, abortion has continued to be a
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  Speaker 1: hot topic of conversation, as it should be, and as expected,
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  Speaker 1: our Republican senator took it a step further from the original.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we wanted to be a state decision. This
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  Speaker 1: is not about anything else but state rights. Uh, stance
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  Speaker 1: they were preaching to, let's make it federal, because of
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  Speaker 1: course it wasn't about state rights, as we have found
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  Speaker 1: out on most a moral political grandstanding when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to human rights. Yes, recently, Senator Graham, with public support
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  Speaker 1: from the president of the Susan B. Anthony, Pro Life
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  Speaker 1: America and other anti abortion leaders, stood up to announce
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  Speaker 1: his bill that would ban abortion after fifteen weeks across
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  Speaker 1: the nation. Um, that was real commentary, something like I
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  Speaker 1: was a broadcaster across the nation naming the bill quote
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  Speaker 1: protecting pain Capable unborn Children from Late Term Abortion Act,
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  Speaker 1: of course, which is misleading in many ways, including the
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  Speaker 1: use of late term, which by the way, is not
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  Speaker 1: an actual term. Is not a doctor medical term, just
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  Speaker 1: in case you're wondering, and it's usually noted that fetal
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  Speaker 1: viability is not considered to around twenty four weeks, just
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  Speaker 1: to put that in your head, right. And though he
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  Speaker 1: was originally quoted as saying, if the Supreme Court overturns
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  Speaker 1: Roe v. Wade, it means that every state will decide
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  Speaker 1: if abortion is legal and on what terms. That, in
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  Speaker 1: my view, is the most constitutionally sound way of dealing
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  Speaker 1: with this issue and the way the United States handled
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  Speaker 1: the issue until nineteen seventy three, which yeah, has quickly
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  Speaker 1: changed in a few short months and has now come
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  Speaker 1: background to him saying that the new translation of the
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  Speaker 1: overturning of Roe v. Wade includes officials on every level
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  Speaker 1: to make the decision and standing firm that he hasn't
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  Speaker 1: changed his ue. So yeah, all of a sudden, the
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  Speaker 1: States was like, no, but that includes federal which is like,
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  Speaker 1: all right, that's not how the okay dude. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: many have used this as either a fighting tactic or
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  Speaker 1: something to shame, as politicians on both sides continue to
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  Speaker 1: weaponize the anti choice is conversation to get more money
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  Speaker 1: or more airtime. And please understand, yes, this is a
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  Speaker 1: big issue that we should talk about, but having officials
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  Speaker 1: send us requests for money instead of telling us what
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  Speaker 1: they're going to do to change is irritating to say
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  Speaker 1: the least. Interestingly enough, we have also seen many conservatives
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  Speaker 1: shy away or outright turn their backs on the abortion
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  Speaker 1: issues altogether. There have been several who have said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we don't necessarily agree with Mr Graham, Senator to Graham
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  Speaker 1: on his stance. Even Mitch McConnell saying that he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: believe this will be ever a thing, so he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: even want to deal with it. So a lot of
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  Speaker 1: things are happening. Even those in Texas and Pennsylvania have
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  Speaker 1: backed away from the topic even though they are Texas
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  Speaker 1: is pretty big for it, we know why, and Pennsylvania
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  Speaker 1: is a pretty big swing state. So there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of conversations happening right which we've talked about a lot
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  Speaker 1: in in some past episodes. But the effect has already
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  Speaker 1: caused many issues around the country, and many women have
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  Speaker 1: shared stories of having to drive across state lines to
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  Speaker 1: access safe care in order to abort non viable fetuses,
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  Speaker 1: and many who have had to return home to wait
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  Speaker 1: to hear back on whether they are approved, while oftentimes
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  Speaker 1: endangering the pregnant person due to dangerous infections and even
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  Speaker 1: potentially leading to death. Rolina Stills, a woman from Texas,
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  Speaker 1: shared her heartbreaking story of a miscarriage that was prolonged
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  Speaker 1: due to Texas and its stringent abortion band. Another woman
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  Speaker 1: was noted to being hospitalized due to sepsis after having
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  Speaker 1: a miscarriage, but not permitted to have the fetus removed
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  Speaker 1: due to the Heartbeat Bill. Right and as in fact
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  Speaker 1: that report when they were talking about these two women,
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  Speaker 1: the woman who was sent home and actually came back
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  Speaker 1: hospitalized because you apparently had kidney failing you as well,
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  Speaker 1: they told her straight out that you have to be
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  Speaker 1: closer to death before we can do anything about it,
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  Speaker 1: because technically there was still a heartbeat even though the
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  Speaker 1: fetus was no longer thriving. Mm hmmmm um. Many other
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  Speaker 1: incidents around the country have been shared, not only publicly,
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  Speaker 1: but to the actual ballmakers and congress people who have
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  Speaker 1: slowly come to understand the detriment of these types of bands.
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  Speaker 1: According to Fox News, of all networks uh their own research,
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  Speaker 1: they have found that at least of listeners did not
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  Speaker 1: support the abortion ban, and that was a thirteen point
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  Speaker 1: jump from the original percentage, right, Like, that's pretty shocking, um,
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  Speaker 1: even though we have had higher numbers in the state
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  Speaker 1: of Georgia, I'm talking about the approval of abortion rights.
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  Speaker 1: For Fox News to do their own polling and to
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  Speaker 1: have these results says a lot. There's so many across
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  Speaker 1: the nation who continue to talk about this, and as
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  Speaker 1: we talked about previously, a lot of people are changing
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  Speaker 1: their stands as a lot of conservatives are actually looking
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  Speaker 1: at this issue as something that they would base their
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  Speaker 1: votes on, as previously they would just ignore it. So
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  Speaker 1: this is a whole bigger conversation. Of course, there's still
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  Speaker 1: conservatives who lean in and say it is about the
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  Speaker 1: life of the child, and I will bank my whole
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  Speaker 1: political career on it. Uh. The radical left is making
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  Speaker 1: this a big issue, and we want to see them
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  Speaker 1: put their money where their mouth is because this is
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  Speaker 1: about abortion on demand, which is a whole new term
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  Speaker 1: that I haven't heard you too often. Now it's coming
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  Speaker 1: back around. Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe I've been on the
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  Speaker 1: wrong side of the the conversation here, maybe, and I've
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  Speaker 1: been on the other side of the conversation here too long.
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  Speaker 1: But calling an abortion on demand, obviously the whole idea
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  Speaker 1: of autonomy is what we're talking about, and if that's needed,
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  Speaker 1: then that that that is what it is. I think
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  Speaker 1: we also need to remember once again, this is the
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  Speaker 1: conversation we're having that when it comes to abortion bands,
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  Speaker 1: that it does endanger so many people, um and so
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  Speaker 1: many of those who can't access anything. Okay, So, according
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  Speaker 1: to another report, a woman from Alabama, and she's not
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  Speaker 1: the only one because there's been several reports was recently
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  Speaker 1: arrested for marijuana and when it was reported that she
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  Speaker 1: was six weeks pregnant, which by the way, she apparently
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  Speaker 1: had just recently found out on the day of the arrest,
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  Speaker 1: she was placed in jail without bond or bail um
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  Speaker 1: and she was rejected by a drug facility after being
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  Speaker 1: assessed because she was not in need of that type
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  Speaker 1: of treatment. Again, marijuana is not enough for treatment just
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  Speaker 1: in case you are wondering. And she was still locked
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  Speaker 1: up for the next three months as way of caring
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  Speaker 1: for the fetus, and so this is to protect her
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  Speaker 1: all the while she was not getting care in the
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  Speaker 1: treatment while she was in jail. Um she was having
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  Speaker 1: to share beds with other women to the point that
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  Speaker 1: she slept on the floor just to be able to sleep.
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  Speaker 1: And she was not given access to any kind of
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  Speaker 1: uh neonatal special care. From what I understand, I think
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  Speaker 1: she got the regular care which she went to the
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  Speaker 1: doctor if you got sick. And there are others who
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  Speaker 1: have talked about the unsanitarian in human treatment of pregnant
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  Speaker 1: people are those who have given birth. One woman recounted
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  Speaker 1: that she was arrested after getting her prescription filled right,
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  Speaker 1: So essentially she had a prescription that had been filled
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  Speaker 1: by doctor she wighed a little bit, wouldn't got it,
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  Speaker 1: And because those medications could endanger the fetus, they are
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  Speaker 1: rested her um and kept her in jail. Again, the
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  Speaker 1: levels that we see that is happening, and we're not
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  Speaker 1: just going to bank it and say just we've heard
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  Speaker 1: a lot of extreme things coming out of both Alabama
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  Speaker 1: and Texas, but we know this is everywhere. This is everywhere,
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  Speaker 1: and this is just the beginning of what we're seeing.
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  Speaker 1: And just because it didn't happen in another place doesn't
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  Speaker 1: mean it couldn't. And that's something that we have to
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  Speaker 1: be reminded of as well as the fact and apparently
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  Speaker 1: there was a woman who had given birth, had tested
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  Speaker 1: positive opioids, and was arrested right after giving birth and
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  Speaker 1: was not given any type of treatment, was not allowed
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  Speaker 1: any kind of paths or sanitary napkins because she was
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  Speaker 1: bleeding by the way while she was in jail, and
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  Speaker 1: she was not allowed to have them. Even though her
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  Speaker 1: partner try to bring it to her um, they were denied.
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  Speaker 1: So there's so many things that this conversation has to
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  Speaker 1: be taking place, because this is not about life anymore
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  Speaker 1: as we can see, because who are they truly protecting? Right,
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  Speaker 1: there have been many who are trying to predict the
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  Speaker 1: possibility of things to come in order to kind of
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  Speaker 1: give a warning and prepare people. Uh. And the article
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  Speaker 1: includes research from the world health organizations as well as
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  Speaker 1: scholastic researchers through universities around the country. So here are
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  Speaker 1: some things that they listed off as possible things to
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  Speaker 1: be affected. Less access, which is kind of like yes stuff,
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  Speaker 1: because we've seen many clinics that have been closed down
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  Speaker 1: as of recently. I've seen many clinics that I have
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  Speaker 1: followed personally on social media who are literally saying, thank
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  Speaker 1: you so much for uh your support, We're so sad
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  Speaker 1: to have to do this, and here's access for anywhere else.
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  Speaker 1: That includes, of course, that this is making women or
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  Speaker 1: making those pregnant having to travel travel across state lines
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  Speaker 1: which costs a lot of money. Um. Recently, another story
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  Speaker 1: out of Alabama was a woman who had to travel
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  Speaker 1: to New York because she had a miscarriage and she
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  Speaker 1: was afraid that she wasn't going to get access um
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  Speaker 1: to healthcare to get the unviable fetus out of course um.
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  Speaker 1: And then there's of course the increase of weight time,
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  Speaker 1: which has always been kind of a ploy. If you've
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  Speaker 1: heard our episode about crisis pregnancy centers, that is actually
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  Speaker 1: a tactic they would use by elongating the time and
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  Speaker 1: wait time and telling you, oh no, no, you can't
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  Speaker 1: now and us to light so sorry, but actually happening
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  Speaker 1: because all of the neighboring states that do have clinics
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  Speaker 1: or accessibility are so um packed out with appointments that
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  Speaker 1: their kids not get to everyone, which is a whole
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  Speaker 1: different level um. And then there's of course the financial strain.
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  Speaker 1: We've talked about it many times and we'll keep talking
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  Speaker 1: about it, but we know that abortion bands don't affect
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  Speaker 1: those who are higher on the income skill, and this
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  Speaker 1: will only make the divide greater to who has accessibility
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  Speaker 1: and who doesn't. We also talked about the fact that
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  Speaker 1: those who can afford and do have healthcare and do
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  Speaker 1: have to have a medical do have a medical reason
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  Speaker 1: to have an abortion, oftentimes still can't afford it because
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  Speaker 1: it is up being hundreds of thousands of dollars because
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  Speaker 1: of these types of languages about abortion. Yes, again we've
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  Speaker 1: talked about d n S and d n c s
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  Speaker 1: and why these are abortion that people are still apparently
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  Speaker 1: fighting about, which I'm confused by, but maybe that's just
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  Speaker 1: me UM. And then of course this makes for more
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  Speaker 1: unsafe conditions. Bands don't stop abortion, but often stops safe abortion.
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  Speaker 1: We've talked many times that we don't have to revert
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  Speaker 1: back to the nineteen seventies of all the dangerous methods
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  Speaker 1: that were used at that point in time, and they're
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  Speaker 1: more access but that doesn't mean it's always safe, and
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that it always works and that people
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  Speaker 1: are able to access the medications needed for medically induced abortions.
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  Speaker 1: We know that we know that people have been denied
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  Speaker 1: things like plan B at different pharmaceuticals because of their
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  Speaker 1: religious beliefs. Um the pharmacists who may or may not
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  Speaker 1: choose to give it to you, and that they have
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  Speaker 1: the right to according to those policies. UM. So that
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  Speaker 1: can also lead to desperation, and we know what happens
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  Speaker 1: when people are desperate. UM, And of course with the
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  Speaker 1: unsafe conditions in the increase of maternal death rates could happen.
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  Speaker 1: In a report conducted by University of Colorado, Boulder, they
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  Speaker 1: stated that had had there been no abortions in twenty
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  Speaker 1: Had it been completely banned, the maternal death rate would
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  Speaker 1: have risen to an increase of fourteen percent UM. They
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  Speaker 1: had an interesting chart which showed which states would have
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  Speaker 1: been affected because they were able to get access to
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  Speaker 1: that UM. Obviously, this also criminalizes UH marginalized people more
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  Speaker 1: likely because they are arrested, like in Alabama for different
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  Speaker 1: charges including endangering as they said, or murder as they
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  Speaker 1: put UM. A lot of these bills under We know
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  Speaker 1: Texas has the bounties that have been happening as well,
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  Speaker 1: so it becomes a whole sticky situation. I know none
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  Speaker 1: of you are surprised a long listeners, but at the
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  Speaker 1: same time we still want to keep up to date
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  Speaker 1: about what's happening and what we need to see. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: there are other good news. The a c, l U
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  Speaker 1: and different organizations have been able to halt many of
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  Speaker 1: these UH in humane laws, so it is also good
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  Speaker 1: to watch for that because that doesn't mean that justice
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  Speaker 1: systems can happen, but with the unlikelihood. But never say never,
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  Speaker 1: because a lot of things have happened recently. UM that
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  Speaker 1: the federal band does go into play, that will get
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  Speaker 1: all swept off and literally we're back to square one. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and there's just so much going on. Um. I think
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  Speaker 1: today as I was checking the news, I saw all
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  Speaker 1: these very depressing headlines and numbers about about abortion, about
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  Speaker 1: politicians who are calling for like jailing of of women
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  Speaker 1: and people who are pregnant. That was just very frightening
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  Speaker 1: because you read but yes, there's also good news in there.
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  Speaker 1: People fighting there always have been, and so that's good
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  Speaker 1: to keep in mind as well. And this is obviously
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  Speaker 1: something that we are going to continue to talk about
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  Speaker 1: and we'll keep checking in on it because it's so important.
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  Speaker 1: And as always, listeners, um where we're here with you,
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  Speaker 1: want to share from where you're located, whether that's somewhere
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  Speaker 1: in the U. S. Or whether that's somewhere around the
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