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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 1-12-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 2: which I'm very, very excited about. Big weekend in the
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  Speaker 2: world of sports. We talked about it going into the weekend,
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  Speaker 2: and coming out of it, I feel like absolutely my
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  Speaker 2: expectations were met, even exceeded. The NFL playoffs this weekendsolutely phenomenal. Now,
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  Speaker 2: of course, I feel even more that way because of
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  Speaker 2: my San Francisco forty nine ers finding a way despite
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  Speaker 2: the fact that George Kittle added his name to the
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  Speaker 2: laundry list of important players for the San Francisco forty
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  Speaker 2: nine ers with significant injuries this season. Kittle leaves that
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  Speaker 2: game relatively early with what ends up being a torn achilles,
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  Speaker 2: which means we're going to see very little of George Kittle,
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  Speaker 2: certainly for the remainder of this playoff, but obviously into
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  Speaker 2: next season as well most likely, Although maybe I shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: make that assertion because in the NFL we have seen
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  Speaker 2: guys sustain what used to be career ending injuries and
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  Speaker 2: come back six to eight months later with apparently little effect.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't want to make any accusations on the
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  Speaker 2: folks that are good examples of this, but I will
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  Speaker 2: say they're either complete genetic freaks which have to be
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  Speaker 2: to play in the NFL, have a mutant healing factor
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  Speaker 2: which I think only exists in the world of the
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  Speaker 2: X men. Or you have the income and the access
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  Speaker 2: necessary to have the miracle drug of HGH be.
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  Speaker 3: Part of your life, which is fine if you're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Either you get to keep playing in the NFL or
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  Speaker 2: you're done. I don't think that I would make much
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  Speaker 2: different decisions, But that's not what we're here to talk
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  Speaker 2: about today. A beautiful weekend of football that included transfer
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  Speaker 2: portal news, that included college football playoff games, that included
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  Speaker 2: the demolition of an Oregon team that Jeff Schwartz will
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  Speaker 2: join us tomorrow and he'll tell us where a year early.
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  Speaker 2: But man, Indiana right now looks unbeatable and I actually
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  Speaker 2: kind of dislike like one of the things that emerged
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  Speaker 2: off of the Indiana versus Oregon woodshd take them behind
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  Speaker 2: the woodshed type drubbing. There's a lot of folks that
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  Speaker 2: are trying to be now apologists for well, yeah, Indiana,
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  Speaker 2: though they're twenty three years old, they're twenty two years old.
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  Speaker 3: There are a bunch of guys that are fifth year
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  Speaker 3: senior years.
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  Speaker 2: There are a bunch of guys that are getting that
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  Speaker 2: extra year of eligibility. They're all like upper upper classmen.
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  Speaker 2: They're all superseded.
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  Speaker 3: Stop it.
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  Speaker 2: There was absolutely zero qualifier from most media outlets when
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  Speaker 2: we talked about Miami.
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  Speaker 3: Advancing to a national championship game.
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  Speaker 2: Despite the fact that Carson Beck is in his seventh year.
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  Speaker 2: I talked about it on my show because I kind
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  Speaker 2: of don't like it. Most people were just like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: Miami's back. We have this very strange discomfort with the
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  Speaker 2: idea that Indiana is as good as Indiana is, and
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  Speaker 2: by the way, Indiana is gonna stay good because they're
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  Speaker 2: still absolutely destroying it in the transfer portal. Remember last
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  Speaker 2: week when I told you that there was a young
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  Speaker 2: man played corner for the national champion at the FCS
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  Speaker 2: Montana State and he was in Utah and he really
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  Speaker 2: loved his Utah visit. Guess where he ended up committing
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  Speaker 2: to and enrolling Indiana. Kurt Signetti told you his philosophy
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  Speaker 2: production over potential. He wants guys that actually have shown
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  Speaker 2: they can play football. I'm sure he still loves the
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  Speaker 2: dudes that are six foot five and two hundred and
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  Speaker 2: seventy five pounds and can run and the can jump
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  Speaker 2: but haven't quite put it together. I'm sure he loves
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  Speaker 2: those guys too, But his team is built with production
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  Speaker 2: over potential. That's why he brought in guys that he
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  Speaker 2: knew from JMU. That's why he saw what Fernana Mendo
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  Speaker 2: was at Cal, a team that didn't have nearly the weapons,
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  Speaker 2: and Kurtz Signetti thought the coaching and he brought him in.
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  Speaker 3: And now Indiana.
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  Speaker 2: Looks appears to be on its way to a first
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  Speaker 2: ever national championship at football.
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  Speaker 3: And the narrative is very odd.
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  Speaker 2: And thankfully people from Utah, I think, can weigh in
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  Speaker 2: on this better than most places where when the national
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  Speaker 2: media folks have said, well, hold on, I just noticed
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  Speaker 2: this about this Indiana roster.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: I failed to mention it all of last year, and
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  Speaker 2: I failed to mention it up until now this year.
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  Speaker 2: But they're all like twenty two years old. And folks
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  Speaker 2: in Utah have been saying this for a long time,
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  Speaker 2: right because the national media will tell you when BYU
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  Speaker 2: is good, well, geez, of course they're good. They're grown
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  Speaker 2: men with mortgages and wives and kids, and the pushback
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  Speaker 2: on that will forever be the same. If there was
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  Speaker 2: a distinct advantage in having older college football players like
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  Speaker 2: twenty three, twenty four year olds, twenty two year olds,
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  Speaker 2: then Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, all the blue bloods would
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  Speaker 2: find ways to prep school you your first year out
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  Speaker 2: of high school, then gray shirt you your second year
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  Speaker 2: out of high school, then red shirt you your third
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  Speaker 2: year out of high school, and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 2: you're a twenty twenty one year old freshman, and when
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  Speaker 2: you're a senior. Now you're in that sweet spot that
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about with Indiana.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know why we're this way.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why we feel a national discomfort in
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  Speaker 2: the media with an underdog, but I hate it. Just
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  Speaker 2: enjoy what we're seeing. This will be if it caps
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  Speaker 2: off with a national championship. This will be, as we
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  Speaker 2: talked about last week, the best sports story you have
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  Speaker 2: ever scene in your lifetime, the ultimate underdog story, the
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  Speaker 2: ultimate implausible. There's no way this can be true type story,
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  Speaker 2: the made for Hollywood. I can't even believe they wrote
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  Speaker 2: this into a script type fiction playing out in real
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  Speaker 2: time with the Indiana Hoosiers of all teams. And again
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  Speaker 2: I said it, and I'll continue to say it. If
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  Speaker 2: Indiana can do it, why can't anybody else? I realize
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  Speaker 2: they benefit from having people like Mark Cuban as boosters.
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  Speaker 2: Mark Cuban, though, was not a big Indiana football booster
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  Speaker 2: until Indiana Football gave him reason to be. The ROI
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  Speaker 2: thing matters a lot to mister shark Tank. Okay, that's
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  Speaker 2: a shocker. If if Indiana can do it, anybody can
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  Speaker 2: do it. Now, that's a stretch because then you're implying that, well,
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  Speaker 2: there's nothing special about Kurt Signetti.
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  Speaker 3: Clearly he's a great coach.
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  Speaker 2: It helps to be in the Big Ten as well, obviously,
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  Speaker 2: versus they have they have a larger they have a
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  Speaker 2: larger chunk of athletic revenue distributed to their team and
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  Speaker 2: things like that. But that doesn't necessarily it shouldn't translate
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  Speaker 2: to them being able to pay their players more. They
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  Speaker 2: pay your players more. Thing, there's a cap in the
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  Speaker 2: revenue share, so it's easier for them to share revenue
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  Speaker 2: in their athletic department with players. But that's not the
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  Speaker 2: reason why Indiana is so good right now. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: go back and watch the Oregon game. It's not because
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  Speaker 2: they're freakishly talented. They are talented. It's not they're not
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  Speaker 2: more talented than Oregon. That they don't run faster than Oregon.
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  Speaker 2: They don't have more four and five stars in Oregon.
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  Speaker 2: Are they a little bit more experienced? Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we're not gonna sit here and cry about that and
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  Speaker 2: point out the fact that that's some sort of unfair disadvantage.
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  Speaker 3: That's how really great teams often are.
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  Speaker 2: You have the right guys in their junior and senior
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  Speaker 2: years in the program together at the right time, and
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  Speaker 2: then you have some special seasons. Oregon gets to make
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  Speaker 2: them Salves feel a little bit better by saying, hey,
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  Speaker 2: aside from Dante, more like a lot of these guys
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  Speaker 2: that were huge contributors this year are in their first
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  Speaker 2: year of getting starter reps. So next year is gonna
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  Speaker 2: be the year for Oregon. That's how they're making themselves
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  Speaker 2: feel better right now. We hear that every week from
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Schwartz, Well, this year's not really the year we
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  Speaker 2: are banking on anyway. I mean he was saying that
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  Speaker 2: in like Week six when Oregon's top five team, top
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  Speaker 2: ten team, He's just like, yeah, it's great. This hou's
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  Speaker 2: money right now, right, And that's he's the ultimate real list.
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  Speaker 2: He's the ultimate like just sort of like bring everyone
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  Speaker 2: back down to earth type type follower of sport. But Indiana,
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  Speaker 2: it's just weird to me that we are uncomfortable with
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  Speaker 2: the fact that we might see this thing happen right now.
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  Speaker 2: And when I say we, I mean media mostly. I
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  Speaker 2: think the American fan base is kind of like embracing
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  Speaker 2: Kurt Signetti's quirkiness. And and you know, Fernando Mendoza is
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  Speaker 2: so damn lovable. You can't dislike anything about the guy,
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  Speaker 2: his family unless you think it's some contrived act. There
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  Speaker 2: is the well, if it's a contrived act, then he
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  Speaker 2: is far too consistent with it. Yeah, I don't buy it. Like,
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  Speaker 2: and that's not necessarily he's the best method actor on
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  Speaker 2: the planet. Yeah, it's not necessarily a huge reason to
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  Speaker 2: hate a guy. If they've got a public persona that's
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  Speaker 2: different from how they are.
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  Speaker 3: That's how everything is.
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  Speaker 2: So Indiana Miami a week from tonight in an at
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  Speaker 2: national championship game, and you're gonna hear people evaluating this
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  Speaker 2: talking about it. However, Indiana is beating their opponents this
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  Speaker 2: year by an average of forty one points per game.
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  Speaker 2: Indiana by the numbers, and if they can win this thing,
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  Speaker 2: not only will have completed the greatest program turnaround in
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  Speaker 2: the history of collegiate sports, but they will be on
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  Speaker 2: the short list for the best seasons ever put together
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  Speaker 2: by a college football team. And I think that most
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  Speaker 2: of us right now say that that Joe Burrow LSU
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  Speaker 2: championship team might be the best college football team. Ever,
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  Speaker 2: Miami's numbers look better than LSU's. I still think they'll
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  Speaker 2: probably come up short with when compared to LSU because
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  Speaker 2: how many of those Tigers went on to great success
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  Speaker 2: in the NFL. There's like twelve dudes from that team
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  Speaker 2: who are really, really good NFL players. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: that Indiana is going to have that same type of
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  Speaker 2: success and representation in the draft and beyond. But from
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  Speaker 2: a what did you achieve in your college football season,
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  Speaker 2: they've got a chance to put themselves right there in
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  Speaker 2: the conversation for best year ever by any college football
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  Speaker 2: team since we started playing this game.
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  Speaker 3: And that is nasty, just absolutely insane.
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  Speaker 2: Oh so you were talking about the scoring margin, the
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  Speaker 2: scoring margin for them, the margin of victory for them
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  Speaker 2: because they have not lost the game?
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  Speaker 3: Correct?
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  Speaker 2: How many? How many games? Don't look it up? How
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  Speaker 2: many games this year? Out of the fourteen games, how many?
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  Speaker 2: How many have been decided by ten points or less.
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  Speaker 3: One?
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  Speaker 2: It's a couple more than that. It's it's actually four.
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  Speaker 2: So the first oh four, Okay, that's a normal season.
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  Speaker 2: The Iowa game twenty to fifteen, Iowa gave them. It
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  Speaker 2: was in it was in Iowa City, so they gave
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  Speaker 2: them a really good game. Iowa gave just about everybody
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  Speaker 2: they played a really good game though too. The first,
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  Speaker 2: the Oregon game in Eugene was the largest, was the
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  Speaker 2: was the largest of this samples of margin victory thirty
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  Speaker 2: to twenty. And then Penn State gave him a scare.
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  Speaker 2: That was that incredible catch on the game winning touchdown,
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  Speaker 2: the Heisman moment with for.
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  Speaker 3: That, that was the one I was thinking of.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the big ten championship against against Ohio State,
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  Speaker 2: which you expected to be one score game. So but
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  Speaker 2: the others like their forty one point margin of victory
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  Speaker 2: is because the others average margin victories. Because the others
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  Speaker 2: were like all fifty plus point wins, it seemed like
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  Speaker 2: it they've been that dominant, and I didn't. I did
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  Speaker 2: not expect them to be the game to be as
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  Speaker 2: lopsided as it was on Friday. I don't think anyone did.
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  Speaker 2: But that was shocking. That was a shockingly dominant win
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  Speaker 2: by Indiana. I expected Indiana win in Indiana to win,
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  Speaker 2: but I thought because of how it went earlier in
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  Speaker 2: the season, that was a really tight game till the
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  Speaker 2: last few minutes, thirty to twenty win. As I mentioned before,
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  Speaker 2: I thought we were gonna get something a lot closer
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  Speaker 2: to that oc But Indiana, Like all due respect to Miami,
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  Speaker 2: they're at home at hard Rock Stadium, I still don't
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  Speaker 2: think they have any chance against the Hoosiers.
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  Speaker 3: That's crazy to say that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know a lot of people who, if you
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  Speaker 2: injected the truth, Sierra Man would say, yeah, I think
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  Speaker 2: Miami can win this game. Now, if Miami's defensive line
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  Speaker 2: has some sort of insane day and is incredibly disruptive
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  Speaker 2: and somehow Rattles gets to maybe hurts Banana Mendoza. Sure,
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  Speaker 2: but if I mean if they play, if Indiana plays
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  Speaker 2: anywhere near the level they played now twice against Oregon,
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  Speaker 2: especially in this semi final game against Oregon, like Bernana
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  Speaker 2: Mendoza had more touchdowns than he had incompletions in the game.
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  Speaker 3: Stupid and stupid good.
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  Speaker 2: And while I give him a lot of credit for
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  Speaker 2: being you know, recognizing what's in front of him and stuff,
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  Speaker 2: there were so many guys that were so wide, wide
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  Speaker 2: open against Oregon.
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  Speaker 3: It was insane. And this is an.
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  Speaker 2: Oregon team that has an All Conference corner, has a
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  Speaker 2: former All American safety that transferred from Purdue, like they
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  Speaker 2: have really good players and really good athletes in their
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  Speaker 2: defensive backfield. They were completely discombobulated. They were lost on
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  Speaker 2: so many of not just like the sort of bread
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  Speaker 2: and butter downs, on important downs in this game, and
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  Speaker 2: they didn't really make it competitive enough that there was
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  Speaker 2: like three or four that you could identify, kind of
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  Speaker 2: like we always do with close games like this is
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  Speaker 2: where the game broke in so and So's favor.
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  Speaker 3: Indiana didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Oregon couldn't do enough, couldn't get enough stops, couldn't get
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  Speaker 2: enough covers, couldn't get enough anything to where they put
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  Speaker 2: themselves in a position where if this play goes this way,
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  Speaker 2: now the momentum shifts because Indiana just had dudes free
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  Speaker 2: running all over the place. Poor tackling by Oregon not
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  Speaker 2: even poor tackling in every case. Sometimes it was just
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  Speaker 2: you didn't get touched until the safety finally cleaned it
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  Speaker 2: up because the blocking was so good. And you got
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  Speaker 2: to give this this Indiana coaching staff a ton of
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  Speaker 2: credit for that. I mean, they scheme the hell out
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  Speaker 2: of it. And Dan Lanning, I saw the message boards
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  Speaker 2: were hating, like aggressively hating on Dan Lanning because I mean,
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  Speaker 2: with great with great power, comes great responsibility. He has
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  Speaker 2: one of the five best situations from an nil standpoint
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  Speaker 2: in all of college football. And they continued to win
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  Speaker 2: big on the recruiting trail and in the transfer portal
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  Speaker 2: trail as well.
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  Speaker 3: A guy that.
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  Speaker 2: Utah wanted to play offensive line wanted to come here
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  Speaker 2: and be part of Jordan Gross's offensive line. Michael Bennett,
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  Speaker 2: the Yale transfer All American at Yale, He's going to
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  Speaker 2: Oregon instead, because I mean, I'm sure he got a
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  Speaker 2: bigger bag at Oregon. So with that, like the fan
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  Speaker 2: base sees what you're capable of and knows that you
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  Speaker 2: don't really have any built and excuses, and Dan Lanning
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  Speaker 2: doesn't try to make any to his credit, but people
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  Speaker 2: were going bananas and just saying like, Landing's not the guy. Well,
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  Speaker 2: first of all, he's gonna go like he does every time.
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  Speaker 2: He's gonna go, and he's gonna evaluate how he could
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  Speaker 2: be better, how they could be better. Remember that his
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  Speaker 2: two coordinators going into this game now have new jobs,
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  Speaker 2: so that's a complication of sorts, and his defensive coordinator
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  Speaker 2: is now the head coach of cal So he didn't
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  Speaker 2: put the best game plan together against Indiana.
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  Speaker 3: But he's also splitting reps, so to speak. I saw
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  Speaker 3: this with with My with My Buck.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, when Ryan Day has had to be the offensive
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  Speaker 2: play caller in the biggest games throughout his tenure, particularly
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  Speaker 2: in the playoffs, they've usually lost those games. That's splitting.
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  Speaker 2: The attention usually takes a toll on on the head coach,
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  Speaker 2: so I especially when you had a play caller all year.
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  Speaker 2: In both these cases, Ryan Day had Brian Hartline all
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  Speaker 2: year and then the because of the calendar. Brian Hartline
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  Speaker 2: got a got a head coaching job, and so Ryan
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  Speaker 2: Day's like, I've done this before, I'll take it over.
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  Speaker 2: You'll still we'll still keep you on for the for
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  Speaker 2: the playoff run didn't work out very well, and I
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  Speaker 2: think we probably saw something similar with Dan Lanning. But
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  Speaker 2: also Indiana is just that good. It's just that good.
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  Speaker 2: And and also I saw this point it out, and
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a good thing to point out, Kurtzigna,
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  Speaker 2: he is sixty four years old.
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  Speaker 3: You know how Dan Lanning is right now.
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  Speaker 2: Forty something. He's thirty nine, thirty nine. Jeez, I thought
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  Speaker 2: he was in his forties. I thought so too. He's
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  Speaker 2: thirty nine years old. So this is the coach opposite
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  Speaker 2: him has twenty five years more experienced.
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  Speaker 3: His dad, Signetty is his dad.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: You have an extra twenty five years of tape study,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: learning how people can be predictable in situations like this whatever.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: And you don't want to give excuses at any level,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: but that is something that probably matters, right, and it's
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: something that I think all of us need to keep
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: in mind as we embark on a new era of
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Utah football with Morgan Scalley because I I've said it
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: many times, I believe Morgan Scalley is going to be
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: an excellent football coach at the University of Utah.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I truly don't know if he already is an excellent
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: head football coach.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Believing he's going to be and knowing for sure that
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: he already is when we've never seen him do it,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: those are two different things. The reasons why I think
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: he is going to be are similar to the reasons
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: why I think we all believe that Dan Lanning is
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: a really good football coach. Even though the Oregon job
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: is the first head coaching job he got. He was
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: a defensive coordinator at Georgia through their most successful run
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: in history basically, and then he got the Oregon job.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: And if you remember when he got that Oregon job,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: after Mario Christobal decided he's going to return home and
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: go to Miami, Dan Lanning was not talked about as
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: the candidate everyone wanted at Oregon. Everyone was looking for
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: more name value, right Justin Wilcox was being talked about.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Justin Wilcox was being courted and apparently had an offer,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: but and Dan Lanning ends up being the guy that
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: they go with and Dan Lanning has killed it at Oregon.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: He's yet to win a national championship. Seems like that
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Dan will break for them at some point. But Dan
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Lanning has kind of the same He's cut from a
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: very similar mold to Morgan's scalley. I think Morgan's a
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: little bit more energetic and even a little bit more charismatical,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: though Dan Lanning is very much those things and Dan
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Lanning doesn't have that. Like, he's not an Oregon dude.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: He played at like a D two school, So there's
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: no I've been doing this since I was six years
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: old and I here's a picture of me and Oregon
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: duck pajamas. Like there are some differences here, But when
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: you're talking about Dan Lanning and the growing pains that
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: he's gone through as a head coach, like the hey, man,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: don't onside kick it right here.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Hey, you can't roll the dice.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: You can't be the riverboat gambler in this particular situation.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: You can't go for.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: It on fourth and four in your inside your own
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: territory against a team this good. Like that's been a
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: learning process for Dan Lanning, and he's inched closer and
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: closer and closer to a national championship, which is the
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: goal for Oregon. It is a stated goal for Oregon,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: as a realistic goal for Oregon. It's what Oregon has
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: to do at some point in order for his head
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: coaching tenure to be deemed a real success. Morgan doesn't
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: have that same level of pressure because he doesn't have
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: that same level of funds behind him. But we're looking
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: at a situation where that experience matters, and that experience
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: mattered in a semi final game against Kurt Signetti. If
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: you're sitting there in your coat, well, Kurt Signetti hasn't
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: been in Indiana even as long as Dan Lanning has
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: been in Oregon, all right, But Kurt Signetti has been
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: a head coach in college football for a lot longer,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: and I think probably on big time college football staffs
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: as an assistant or higher than that for longer than
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Dan Lanning was. He's been on, he's been on, he's
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: been on big time staffs first, longer than Dan Lanning
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: has been in football.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: That's what That's what I figured, and I'm talking about.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: When Dan Lanning started playing little league football nineteen years
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: ago as a player, even so anyway, so that that
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: matters too, not just his head coaching experience, and not
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: just his head coaching experience in the power for but
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: all of the coaching experience. By the way I was
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: saying this to Uh, I was talking about this over
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: the weekend with some family. Has there been a former
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Saban assistant who then became a head coach who has
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: not been successful? My gosh, Like there's gotta be one.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: There's there's definitely some, but all the ones you know of,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: and it's because I mean, of course it's because they're successful,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: but even like Marked it was Mark D'Antonio, the Michigan
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: State head coach back when Saban was a Michigan State
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: head coach, even and he had great success at Michigan State. Like,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: it just feels like if you worked on Saban's staff,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: you're going to be a good head coach at some
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: level someday. In college football, I mean, there are guys
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: who have decided to go be effectively an intern for
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Nick Saban instead of getting paying jobs, getting big time
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: jobs because they knew that because Sabin had established this
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: thing where if you want a master's in football coaching,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: if you want a doctorate in football coaching, that's the professor,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: that's the department you go to, and guys would spend
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: a year, two years, three years, sometimes just learning from
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: the master.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: We talked about it last week.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: All four semi final teams in the college football playoffs
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: this year their head coaches were on a Nick Saban
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: staff at some point. That's not a coincidence, that's not
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: an accident. It Now, maybe it's maybe we give Saban
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: too much credit, and maybe it's just kind of like
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: the well success breed success and it became a think
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: tank as much as it was like just because of
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Nick Saban. But if all he did, if he's not
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: directly responsible for it, and all he did was create
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: an environment that every other really good and smart football
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: coach wanted to be a part of at some point,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: that still puts him on a mount rushmore somewhere. Let
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: me ask you, just as a counterpoint to that, like
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: him not deserving all that credit, even though I know
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: you're not arguing that, You're just putting it out there
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: as some people may be thinking that who is the
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Bill or who is the Nick Saban of the NFL
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: of the same era Bill Belichick?
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, has he.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Has, he had a disciple, a former assistant be a
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: successful head coach in the NFL. I mean, Brian Flora
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: is probably the best one, and he was fired even
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: though he had a really good, really good success. Sounds
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: like he's gonna get another shot maybe in Las Vegas,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: might get another shot.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: But like.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: So for that reason, it's not just it can't just
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: be hey, success breed success in the head coach. The
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: head coach who's brilliant, doesn't doesn't have doesn't have that
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: much of an influence on it because we just saw
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: it in the basically the exact same time period work
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: out completely opposite direction in the NFL. So Nick Saban,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: I think absolutely deserves a ton of credit for the
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: the NFL is really it's interesting when you talk about
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: the coaching thing because there's a lot of guys today
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: whose teams got eliminated over in wild card weekend who
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: are now like back in that Lafloor as I was
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: getting out of my car to walk in the building,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Lafloor is being talked about, you know in Packers Fans like, no,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: you can't keep him, and other people are like, of course,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: you have to keep him.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Look what he's done with this team, and.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: This is the time to have those conversations with pro
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: football coaches. But then as soon as you know who
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: the coach is, and it doesn't even matter who the
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: coach is, like if it's Laflor, if it's Harbaugh, if
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: it's the other Harbaugh, if it's Liam Cohen. Immediately after
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: you know, after like the name plate is printed, what
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: it really is about is your players. What it really
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: is about is who your quarterback is first and foremost.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: And that's why the Belichick thing and the it's where
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: the the commonalities evaporate, right because Belichick was like, Yeah,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: you're the dude, You're the best coach in the world.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: You're amazing. Everyone should do everything your way. And then
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: we saw like, well, when you take Tom Brady out
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: of the Belichick equation, it's totally different.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: With Nick Saban.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Not only did he have different coordinators every damn year
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: because his coordinators were getting head coaching jobs and they
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: were going on to their own success, but you could
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: just plug and play, man. You could just take random
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: people in and out of that offense, in and out
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: of that defense, and just like, Okay, well, how are
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: we gonna survive the departure of John Parker Wilson. Let's hear,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: let's plug this guy in Jalen hurts Man, you're incredible,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: you had a bad first half. We're gonna put in
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: this to otago by loa kid. And it's just like
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: he was not dependent on any one player. He was
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: dependent certainly on the greatness of his program and on
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: all the unbelievable players who went on to NFL success.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: But the commonalities fall apart because you can attribute Patriots
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: success to Tom Brady specifically. And when you talk about Alabama,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: like what player of the Nick Saban era was most
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: responsible for Nick Saban's success, it's all of them. Like
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: you know, you can't name a player, not even there's
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: no shot for you to name one player in that group.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: And of course part of that is guys play four
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: to five years and now, because of the COVID era,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: six to seven years sometimes in college football versus over
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: a decade. You can't can't play over a decade in
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: one in college football.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: But I think you're right. The main reason.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Is because Dick Saban is brilliant, brilliant at constructing a
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: coaching staff and replacing guys in that coaching staff, brilliant
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: at recruiting good players and developing those good players no matter,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: and and plugging in new plugging in new guys that
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: to replace great players. I mean that that's it. And anyway,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: I just think you if you're thinking, well, Saban didn't
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: have as much influence as we're getting him credit for it,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: I think you're I think you're out of your mind.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: He absolutely did. All right, I gotta take a break here.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Ari Tempkin's gonna join us. We'll talk some college football
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: playoff results and of course the transfer portal as we
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: are four.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Days away from this thing closing.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: More names added for Utah, More names added for BYU
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: Where are they sitting?
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: The Big twelve insider Ari Tempkin joins us next on
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: The Sean O'Connell Show ESPN seven hundred ninety TWOEFM.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: You attuned to The Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
• 31:14
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• 31:19
  Speaker 1: a half m.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Big twelve insider Ari Tempkin kind of enough to join
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: us to talk all things college football. Friend of the program,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: host of Big twelve Today on tune in Radio.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: All right, welcome back.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: How are you I'm great, OC, How are you buddy doing?
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Great? Man?
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: What a wonderful football weekend between college football playoff and
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: the NFL, And we've got a game tonight. You can
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: hear right here on ESPN seven hundred and ninety two
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: one FM. But I want to stick with you, obviously
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: in the college football world. First of all, Indiana. We've
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: talked about them kind of as accessory to our other
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Big twelve conversations, But what Kurt Signetti and Indiana are
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: doing right now is ridiculous. Are we about to see
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: the greatest program comeback in the history of sports in
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: any sport completed with the national championship?
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: I mean it feels like it, doesn't it. And you know,
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: it's interesting from a Big twelve perspective because you know,
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: a couple of years ago, Baylor won a national championship
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: in basketball, and I mean, you want to talk about
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: unbelievable stories and comebacks. When Scott Drew took over that
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: program in the midst of NCAA scandal where one teammate
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: killed another teammate and the head coach tried to cover
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: it up. I mean, contextually, I'm not sure that there
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: could be any comeback story as great as that one.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: But in the vein of college football, we've seen, you know,
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: crazy stories in college basketball, and because you know, there
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: it is a sport of turnover and more dependent upon
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: you know, one or two or three players, opposed to football,
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: which is so dependent upon so many players in cohesion together.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, it feels like, despite the differences in
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: context here that a program through their first nearly two
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: hundred years of football lost nearly two hundred more games
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: than they won. I mean, that's true. They're at like
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: six hundred and ninety eight losses before twenty twenty four
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: and nearly two hundred games under five hundred, so one
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: of the losingest programs in the history of college football.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: We just have seen so few teams break through in
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: college football and to win at that level, I mean,
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: teams have won conference championships in big time bowl games
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: and have kind of come out of nowhere. But to
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: do what Indiana is doing is nothing short of a miracle.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: And you know, oh see, I think the biggest piece
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: here from the Big twelve would be you know, we
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: talked a lot about the Blue Ship ratio and that's
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: essentially what this last game will be all about. Miami
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: is a blue shape ratio, team Indiana is not. So
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: for a Big twelve context, you know, there are no
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: teams that are north of that blue ship ratio, and
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: history suggests that if you're if you're not at the
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: blue chip ratio, you can't win a national championship. So
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: we'll see if Indiana can be the first team in
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: the modern era to do that.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Look on the surface level, that's one of the things
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: that's moment most interesting about this Indiana story is because
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: it's like, well, if you're Utah, if you're BYU, if
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: you're Texas Tech, if you're Colorado, if you're Illinois, if
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: you're whoever, if you're Vanderbilt, you're looking and going if
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Indiana can do this, why can't we do it? Is
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: there a real answer? Is there a real answer to
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: that question for the Big twelve teams? Especially well, because
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: it's not like Indiana doesn't have support and they pulled
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: out twelve million bucks a year for their head coach.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: They obviously have the funds necessary to compete at this level.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: But if Indiana can do it, why can't fill in the.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: Blank one hundred percent. And again, I think, you know,
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: the biggest part of this is going back in the
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: modern recruiting era, no team has won a national championship
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: by not having at least fifty percent of their roster
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: be four or five star recruits. Zero Now teams have
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: gotten to the national title, and there have been a
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: few of them. I mean TCU most recently being a
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: non blue ship ratio team. But like, I think that
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: significance OC cannot be understated because this is where the
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: Big Twelve lives. You know, the Big Twelve does not
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: have you know, insane recruiting. Texas Tech and I think
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: BYU to a degree have really been on the upswing
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: and recruiting. But even then those are teams that are
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: not at the blue chip ratio. So you know, when
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: you look at it and you're like, well, the season
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: starts and none of these Big twelve teams can actually
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: win a title because history suggests that you have to
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: be north of that fifty percent threshold. And here's Indiana
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: that isn't there and has basically built their entire roster
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: through the transit portal. I mean, I think that speaks
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: volume to what the Big Twelve is doing. And then
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: when you consider oc that, you know they're transfer portal ranking.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: Indiana's last year was twenty fifth in the nation, and
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: in twenty twenty four they were ranked thirtieth in the nation.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: It shows you even more how improbable it's been that
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: Indiana has been able to do this. I mean, to
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: build you know, a sustained winner, to build a team
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: now going back to back in terms of the college
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: football playoff for Indiana football, Indiana football, I mean, it
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: is unbelievable. I mean, you know, when I was in
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: high school, my older sister went to Indiana and I
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: remember going to an Indiana Illinois football game and the
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: majority of the stadium was full of Illinois fans for
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: a game in Bloomington. You know, Anchelon randall El who's
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: now the wide receivers coach for the Bears, was the
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: best quarterback and player that Indiana had ever seen. And
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: now they're the favorites to win a national championship. I mean,
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: just go look at historical data in terms of like Alabama,
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: Georgia teams that win national championships, Ohio State, Michigan, like
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: there is a certain threshold of teams that win national
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: championships in college football, and Indiana is about to break
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: through in a way that we've never seen before in
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: college football.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I want the National Championship game to do the funniest
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: thing possible where both teams invite all of their NFL
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: alumni and have them walk out for the coin tous,
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: just like shoulder to shoulder, single file line across the field.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: I want Ray.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Lewis and Ed Reid and Warren Sapp and all these greats,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: and then like Antoine randall El and a bunch of
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: like eighty year old dudes to shuffle across the field
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: from Indiana.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: And Lee Corso and the famed backup quarterback for the
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: Cowboys that's now done as the Cowboys color commentary for games, Babelfenberg.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: He's a nit former Indiana quarterback. Yet that would be
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: a hilarious contrast. See that's amazing, Just to.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Drive home that blue chip ratio you're talking about, Just
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: to provide the stunning visual for everyone at home, like
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: this is what Miami football has produced for the NFL,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: and this is what Indiana football has produced for the NFL.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: There'd be more gold jackets on the Miami side than
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: there are players.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: Miami has one team. One team in that if you
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: just picked one Miami team in the nineties or early
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: two thousands, they would have far more goldjackets than anything
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: Indiana could have all time.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy, Ari Tepkins, our guests here talking all things
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: college football.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: Let's get into this transfer portal.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: We're almost through, right, so in real time? What does
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: the transfer portal look like for coaches and players right now?
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: A lot of the big names made their announcement even
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: before the transfer portal officially opened or shortly after it did,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: and a lot of them have found their new place
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: and they've settled down. Are we going to get major
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: movement from anyone else our coaches, you know, beating the
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: streets and making the furious phone calls right now? Or
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: is the tampering period mostly done and now let's just
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: figure out what's in there and get the best we can.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: You know, it feels o see like things have started
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: to calm down, and that you know, if you've got
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: guys on your roster that you were hoping not to
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: lose and they have not yet added the transfer portal,
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: it feels like we're in the safe territory. But man,
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: I would say that Tampa period never ends, you know.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, think about this. DJ Lagway had pretty much,
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: at least it was widely reported committed to Baylor. Only
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: he pulled out and now is going to do a
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: visit to LSU and to ole Miss. And I can't
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: imagine that the news that Chambliss was denied an extra
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: of eligibility had nothing to do with that do with it,
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: especially from a quarterback perspective. You know, you're trying to
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: hold off for as much leverage as you possibly can have.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: I know it's been important now that Levitt is committed
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: to LSU, so maybe you know that that takes Lagway
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: off the board for LSU. We'll see and maybe he
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: does end up committing to Baylor. But you know, it's
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: important to note see that that deadline once the transferportal
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: does close, is only to enter your name. Players can
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: still sign at any point after the fact. It's just
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: you know, all these coaches are holding on for dear
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: life for names for their own guys to not enter
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: the portal. So I think that's you know, maybe most
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: intriguing and most important is you'll still see guys that
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: are signing following the closure of that transferportal, but nobody
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: can enter. And I think that's you know, at this point,
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: you've got to have a pretty good sense if you're
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: a coach and your a front office in college football,
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: pretty good sense of like, before the portal opens here,
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: the guys I'm pretty sure are gonna leave and it
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: shouldn't do much of a surprise. Then there's probably a
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: handful of guys that become surprises that maybe you didn't
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: have a read on whether or not they would go.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: And I think what you're at right now is, you know,
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: you started to look at the players you thought you
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: were going to lose, and then all right, what positions
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: now do we need to go after? Really really hit hard?
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: And then once you do that, I think now it's
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: about retaining the guys we have on because at this
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: point in time, I'd imagine most of these programs know
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: who on their roster is in the portal, know the
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: types of players they want to target and position groups
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: they want to target. And then I think, from a
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: you know, most important standpoint, it's right now you're checking
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: then in your guys and making sure that there's no
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: surprises here before the transfitportal window closes.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: So last year, Texas Tech was like the biggest story
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: in the transfer portal. And it's not that they haven't
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: made big splashes this offseason. I think is going to
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: be a nightmare for the rest of the Big twelve
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: to deal with in a slightly different black and red uniform.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: But is Texas Tech claiming their spot again this year
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: for you as the transfer portal team.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: I mean it certainly felt like that in the first
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: twenty four to forty eight hours. I mean they you
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: want to talk about being prepared for the portal to open,
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: you know, they were ready to go and made some
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: pretty significant signings, not just soresby. The biggest surprise so
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: far has been you know, Cam Coleman, the NFL type
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: wide receiver for Auburn who many thought was going to
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: end up at Texas Tech and now ends up at
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: Texas for a portally over three million dollars. And I
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: think what happened in that case was Texas was so
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: sick and tired of losing out on players at Texas
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: Tech that they basically made an offer that Texas Tech
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: was not going to be willing to match. And I
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: would say three million bucks for a player that is
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: not a quarterback, a left tackle or a defensive end.
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: It's probably not the right move, but obviously Texas is
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: in position where they just can't have too many down
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: years in a row, and they knew that this being
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: the last year for arch Manning, they needed to load
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: up on wide receivers to give him the best opportunity
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: to have great targets. Which is sort of funny because
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: they clean up every year with five stars, you know,
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: in recruiting, so it's surprising that they had to, you know,
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: stoop to that level what they were once complaining about
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: Texas Tech doing. So it's funny Texas fans complaining about
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: Texas Tech doing it, and then they turn around and
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: do the exact same thing to Texas Tech. And then
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: there were Texas Tech message boards, you know, joking in
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: the same way that Texas fans did, with Coleman saying, oh,
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: I guess he doesn't want to win championships, which is
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: why he's going to Texas. That was probably the biggest
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: surprise for me because everything I heard said that he
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: was gonna end up at Texas Tech. But again, if
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: you're making an offer in no worth of three million
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: for a wide receiver, then you know that's probably gonna
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: do it, and that's exactly what happened with Coleman. But yeah,
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think what they've done so far on
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: the defensive side, they knew they needed to bring in
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: some heavy hitters. I mean, they're going to be losing,
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: you know, two first round draft picks at least in
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: Romellow Heighten, David Bailey, who's gonna be a top five pick,
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: and then Jacob Ardriguez. So you know, in order to
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: get back to where they were, they did not just
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: prove their offense, but they also need to get back
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: to where they were defensively, or at least getting the
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: same vicinity of where they were defensively, which was the
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: elite of the elite. But it's obviously got a long
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: way to go on the offensive side. You know, in
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: not even scoring, it's an Oregon defense that gave up
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: fifty two points to Indiana offense. I think shows that,
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: you know, tex Text offense was much further off than
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: we thought it was in the regular season.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: The transfer portal rankings include a bunch of Big twelve teams.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: There's there's three Big twelve teams in the top ten
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma State is making a lot of noise in the transfer.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: Portal, which is wild to consider.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: The Cowboys might be coming back, Texas Tech, Arizona State,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: the other two that are in the top ten conspicuously
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: absent even when you get down into like the fifties.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Utah right now is ranked number forty eight in the
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: transfer portal. BYU has just decided mostly we're just going
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: to keep our same roster, which I mean, it makes
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: perfect sense. But the ability to do that, knowing how
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: many teams are tampering with and calling people like bear
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: bachmeyern On down, it's it's a little bit scary that
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Kalani stake and those guys, they lose Jay Hill and
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: not a ton seems to be happening in Provo. They
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: they built a fence around that place apparently.
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and I mean, I'm I wonder how
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: surprised you are that guys like Glasger and some of
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: these players have emerged last year for that BYU defense
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: are not going to be joining j Hill at Michigan.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: I can't imagine Hill didn't want them to join. And
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: you know, to your point, maybe that's where BYU spent
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: its money in retaining its own players as opposed to
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: going fishing in the transfer portal. And I'm sure it
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: helps too that they elevate, you know, a defensive guy
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: who's been around, who's been around Cal Whittingham, who's been
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: around j. Hill. So there's a level of familiarity there
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: that that probably speaks to some of these guys they're
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: able to retain. But I think I think you're right.
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, losing guys in the portal, and
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: we just saw one of the guys they lost, you know,
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: emerge in the summ my finals. Killen Marion was a
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: big time target for Miami and it's the guy that
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: you know, it's like, well, two years ago he was
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: playing at BYU and now all of a sudden he
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: was like the star for Miami in the semi final round.
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: And we'll see what happens to national championship. And I think,
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: like that's where I look at with BYU. Do they
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: have enough round Baron Bachmeyer al j At Martin is
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: coming back, so you know you've got the running back back,
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: do you have enough offensive line? What you're gonna lose?
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: And then at wide receiver as well, with what you're
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: gonna lose. That would be, if I'm byu, the one
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: area that you'd hope maybe they can, you know, make
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: some hay in terms of the transitportal. But yeah, I
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: mean it's it really as you mentioned. I think you
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: said it perfectly, very conspicuously absent there from the rankings
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: again though, really want to point out Indiana was ranked
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: twenty fifth in last year's transporter rankings and thirtieth the
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: year before, so I'll obviously take those fredgings and the
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: great assault.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: I mean it translated very very well, very directly, seemingly
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: for Texas Tech this past year. Right most teams it
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: wasn't like that, And I actually give Texas Tech's coaching
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: staff a lot of credit for that. And you and
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: I have talked about this throughout the course of the
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: year because this Mercenary World, man, we've seen a lot
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: of teams win big in the transfer portal get this
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: like elite player to show up Like I'm looking at it,
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: and I'm anyone who goes to LSU right now, given
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: what Lane Kiffin just did to his old miss team,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what are you doing?
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: All these players?
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: I realize that throwing a bunch of money around. I
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: just have a hard time believing that all of those
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: guys are gonna end up pulling on the same rope
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: the way that Texas Tech did this past season.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: That's a great point because you sort of are what
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: your coach is and so I can see that for LSU.
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: And look, I mean I think, you know, you just
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: have to have a strategy. You know, Indiana has a
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: really good strategy, and that is they want older, more
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: experienced players. You know, the stat that everybody was talking
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: about last week was that Indiana the average age is
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: twenty three, which was just two years younger than the
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: Green Bay Packers average age of twenty five. And I
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: mean a similar story I think with Texas Tech in
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: that they recruit guys that have played. So you know,
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: there's a strategy of hey, let's find four and five
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: stars that may be flame down in their first spot
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: and see if they can regain some of that magic
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: with us. But Maguire has gone kind of the opposite
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: direction in terms of no, we want guys that have played.
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: We want you know, we want guys that have regardless
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: of how they rank coming out of high school, that
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: they have played on the field, which says a lot,
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: so you know, it just it just speaks to like,
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: you have to have a strategy when it comes to
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: the portal, and the teams that do are the ones
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: that benefit the most from it.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Is no news good news at this point for the
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: transfer portal, and specifically with somebody like Devin dam Pier.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: We haven't We haven't gotten anything official. Most players that
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: are resigning or putting out announcement that they have re signed,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: which is such a strange thing to see in college football.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: But if you're a hardcore Utah fan, like I know
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: in your heart of hearts you are, ari, is no
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: news good news from Devon dam Pier or is it
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: cause for shunt?
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah? No, I mean it's and it's kind of surprising,
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: isn't it. I mean, given all of the turnover and
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: change at Utah, Yeah, it's surprising. But I would think
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: with all the noise around the quarterback situation. We talked
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: about DJ Lagway, who you know, again, he had, by
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: all accounts and all reporting, committed to Baylor before pulling
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: back and suggesting that he could still be in the
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: open market. You know, I don't know if behind the
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: scenes Utah took care of Dan Pierce, so he's fine.
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: Or if you felt like, hey, I had a really
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: good year one, let me stick with it and you know,
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: with a similar roster figure, what we could do into
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: year two. I mean, you look at the offensive line.
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: They're gonna lose. You know, it's it's a legitimate question.
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: So I would think at this point, no news is
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: good news. But it is surprising to me. I mean,
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: it really is. And I just wonder if he's still
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: kind of an underdog in the national landscape and then
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: he's being overlooked and maybe he wasn't as tampered with
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: as we expected him to be given the output that
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: he had this season. But it's surprising because again, these quarterbacks,
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: a lot of them just hit the portal in order
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: to raise the leverage that they have, and you know,
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: to see Dan Pierre just kind of go ho home
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: and not really do anything, I think that's huge. And
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: you know, again I think Utah with Dad Pierre, even
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: with all the losses they had and will have both
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: you know, from a coaching staff and from a you know,
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: offensive wide personnel standpoint, will be one of the favorites
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: of the big twelve again next year. I think, you know,
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: we end the year in the same way that I
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: think Tech, DYU and Utah are still gonna be the
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: three favorite setting in the next season.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's the case.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: We'll see how it all plays out these next four
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: days or so, and then we'll talk with you about
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: it next week.
• 49:34
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• 49:36
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• 49:38
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• 49:47
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• 51:25
  Speaker 3: Transfer Portal Tracker.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: In respect to what Utah Football's roster looks like, I'll
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: start with the bad news. JJ Buchanan, as expected, is
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: going to Michigan, so he will join John Henry Daily,
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Jonah lea A and maybe maybe Smith nodan. We don't
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: have an official announcement on Smith Snoden. As far as
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: I was able to deduce more likely with Smith Snowden, Michigan, Oregon,
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: or BYU. I think thing I think at this point,
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: b why you might be the most likely, but I
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: don't have That's what I would guess too. But I mean, unsurprisingly,
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Smith is not responding to my text, like, hey, can
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: you give me a hint of where you're headed? You
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: just sent did you send him a clip of him
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: on our on your show saying I'm a Utah man forever?
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: Your thoughts Smith?
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: Is that?
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Is that why he's not really well? You cut that
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: for me and I'll send it to him. I'm a
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: ute for life, I'm a ute for life. I'm a
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: ute for life. I'm a ute for life, I'm a
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: ute for life. Just play it over and over and
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: over and over and over again.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: And it's your thoughts.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: It actually is kind of a bummer because college athletes
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: are going to have to refrain from expressing absolute loyalty
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: to their school now, because when you're that age and
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: you wholeheartedly believe something.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: No, I'm a ute for life.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: He really meant it when he said it, just probably
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: didn't realize what the situation was gonna be. With Kyle Whittingham,
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: stepping down and then getting a Michigan job and him
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: not having the year that he needed to have in
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: order to go to the NFL, Right, I mean, all
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: that stuff plays a factor.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: So JJW.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: Buchanan is out, but coming in gra Mo it might
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: be Moe. We're gonna have to figure out exactly how
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: to pronounce this young freshman's name. A big defensive tackle.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: He's a true freshman coming from San Jose State. He
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: had a sack and a half, twenty eight tackles. He
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: was a rotational guy. Why do I mention this?
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: When you're a true freshman defensive tackle and you're actually producing,
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: that means you're a little ahead of the curve. It's
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: like we talked about with Poop pu Cepalona and with
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Carson Kaufusi. While injuries played into them needing to perform,
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: true freshman defensive tackles have a hard time.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: Your body just isn't ready to compete.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Now, he wasn't competing at the P four level, but
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: he was productive and Luther Ellis is going to make
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: this kid into something different. So that's exciting. Got a
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: transfer in from Elijah Reid. He's a big, long corner,
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: the kind of guy that Sharif Shaw has had a
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: lot of success with in developing. Started at Kentucky, went
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: to Akron. Now he's at the University of Utah. I
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: think that there's some optimism there. I hope Don Saunders
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: got an absolute disgusting bag of money from Purdue, because
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: why you would go from Utah, who is going to
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: compete for a conference championship and does have this long
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: history of producing elite prospects that get drafted in the NFL,
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Why you would go from Utah to Purdue is beyond me.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: Don Sanders was injured a lot of this year and
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: came on late and looked amazing. Kid, can just flat
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: out play football, the kind of guy you wanted to
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: see stay. Don Saunders is transferred to Purdue.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: What are you doing? What are you pur doing?
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: I like that.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: He also said production.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: No.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: I counterpoint, maybe Purdue thinks they're the next Indiana. They're
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: in the same state. They're not. They're not the next Indiana.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: So again, I wish all these guys well, but I
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: also would love to know, like I did this last week,
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Dallas Facalahi is going to Purdue. All right, Well, the
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: purduced staff is now the Iowa State staff Penn State.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: Right, what did I say, Purdue? Yeah, you got Purdue
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: on the brain.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Sorry, The Dallas focala is going to Penn State. The
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Penn State staff is last year's Iowa State staff. Raise
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: your hand for the class and tell me the last
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: time Iowa State produced a good defensive tackle. I think
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: they had one All com Difference defensive tackle since like
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: nineteen forty one.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: That's who you're going to play for. One thing that
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: we know.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: And it's hard to understand this when you are a
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: college age person, when you're college athletes, certainly, but your talent,
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: your work ethic, or whatever cannot overcome the deficiencies of
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: a program and a coaching staff and a team.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: It can't.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: There's no individual player in college football who outperforms, out develops,
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: outwins deficiencies that exist in a coaching staff.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: Maybe that happens in the NFL because the.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: Influenced ratio is flipped, But in college football, if you're
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: a great defensive lineman, or you think you're going to
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: be a great defensive lineman, go to a great defensive
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: line school, Don Saunders.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: If you want to lead the University of Utah.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: I don't want to see you go, But if you
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: ended up at like LSU, I'd be like, well, yeah, okay,
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: that makes sense. LSU has this decades long history of
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: producing NFL draft picks in the defensive backfield.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: Purdue, I don't know. I don't like it.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: Kyrie Sholz, Braden Pegan, Isaiah Kima, who's in Ohio State
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: guy six three three twelve coming to the University of Utah.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: They're really excited about Ethan Day. We talked about Lucas
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: Samsula and Marcus Wimberley. Cedric Jefferson is somebody that has
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: not really made a big splash offensive tackle from Montana State.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: That Look, I'm not going to sit here and tell
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: you I know everything about Cedric Jefferson and I've broken
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: down his film, but that's a guy who knows how
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: to win, who's coming off a national championship victory at
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: the FCS level, is going to bring that to the
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: University of Utah to play for Jordan Gross. So, with
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: a first round draft pick leaving a couple of first
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: round draft picks leaving, you want to make sure that
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: there's bodies to backfield Cedric Jefferson, Kelvin Obots and company.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: A bunch of young guys that are on this Utah
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: roster that got reps this year. You'll notice, by the way,
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: not a lot of offensive linemen transferring out of the
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: University of Utah. You know why, because all these guys
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: know now is their time to compete at the U.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: They all got backup reps this year, a ton of
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: them because of the margin of victory in a lot
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: of Utah's games, and now they've been sitting behind this
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: experienced offensive front and now they know, Okay, I'm ready
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: to step in, and I know I'm ready to step
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: in because I actually played in games this year. Well, obviously,
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: keep an eye on the transfer portal as more news
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: comes out. Looks like Sam Levitt is heading to LSU. Okay,
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: have fun with that. I can't imagine wanting to go
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: play for Lane Kiffin right now, but I'm sure the
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: five to six million dollars that he's reportedly being.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: Offered helps in that regard.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: Jackson Dart having a nice rookie season, I bet it's
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: the money more than that though. Did you see by
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: the way that Ty Simpson the Alabama quarterback who is
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: declared for the NFL draft. The report is that a
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: team in college football said no, no, no, no, no no,
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: don't go to the NFL draft. You're not going to
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: get picked where you think you're going to get picked,
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: and allegedly offered Ty Simpson, the Alabama quarterback, six and
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: a half million dollars to stay in college football.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: That, by the way, that team is.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: When you talk about a number that looks like that,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: it's either another SEC team or it's Oregon. And Oregon
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: now has Dante Moore and Dylan Riola, Dantemo who's going
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: to make an NFL decision? And Riola decided he's going
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: to transfer to Oregon. He's committed to Oregon after leaving Nebraska.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: So you get Patrick Mahomes junior at Oregon. Talented guy,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a weird personality with the copycat stuff,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: but a talented guy. Does this mean does this mean
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: we can we can maybe tentatively assume that Dante Moore
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: is is out, is going to the NFL. I That's
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: how I would read it, because remember the Riola family,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: his dad played in the NFL, so has all these connects,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: knows what those conversations are going like and maybe people
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: at Oregon who are recruiting him know, hey, yeah, he's
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: told us he's he's leaving.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: He just hasn't announced it yet. I mean, his agent
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: probably called Moore's agent.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: It was just like, look, man, they have the same agent.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: I probably don't want to be his backup. I'll do
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: it if I have to. I don't want to be
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: his backup next year. Where do you think he's going.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: Oh man, let's get you five million bucks from Oregon
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: because Dante is going to the draft. A lot of
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: the mocks have Dante more being the number two overall pick,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: the second quarterback taken after Fernando Mendoza.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: I don't love him that much. I probably wouldn't go there.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: There's something that not necessarily mocks, but we hear we
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: hear people who know who are parroting some scouts in
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: the media saying there's a lot of there's a lot
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: of scouts that say they would take him over Mendoza,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: even which I don't know about that, but he's really good.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: The number one, by the way, it's about fifty five
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: million dollars total total guarantees, and then it goes down
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: from there.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: So there's.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: When you're looking at these.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: Transfer portal quarterbacks, the big time guys that could end
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: up at big time programs. If they feel like I'm
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: gonna be better than a late second round pick, I
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: should go to the NFL. If I'm anything second late
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: second round on down, it might be sixes for me
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: to stay in college football versus going to the NFL.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: Unless you're Ty Simpson, man, I don't know. I don't
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: know why he's why he feels like it's his time
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: to go to the draft. There's people that say he's
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: second or third day guy. I mean, they're just way
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: too many people that have made that mistake. Yeah, I
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: would have taken the money from Oregon or whoever. I'm
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: trying to think what other Big Ten team it could
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: be besides Oregon that offer that made that offer. I
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: don't know that there's another one because I don't think.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: I don't think Kyle Whittingham and is excuse me, he
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: shall not be named and his staff were given the
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: Baltimore treatment. Yeah, you shall not be named in his
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: staff offered that at the program that shall not be named,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: and Ohio State really likes Julian saying Penn State's got
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: their quarterback in rock Quebec.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure there's another.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: Maybe Nebraska, if they're desperate enough they're like, hey, we
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: come come to Nebraska Tye Simpson and he rebuffed them.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: Like it's got to be Oregon, right, Maybe I suppose Washington,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: but they actually they just they just flipped their guy
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: Demond from the So maybe not Washington.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: There's there's like usc sign already has uh Hoover. Yeah,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: it's probably Oregon. They made that offer. Yeah, by the way,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: probably made that offer while also being like, well what
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: if we have to pay Dante and what if we
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: have to pay Ryola.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: Get Ty Simpson here too? Just a case.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: Because Phil Knight is eighty six now, and it's just
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: like I get in desperate. I mean, he's been very
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: transparent about it. He wants that title before he gone.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: He is eighty seven years old. Bill Knight is eighty seven. Wow,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: all right, take a break here. Do we know if
• 1:04:39
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• 1:04:40
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• 1:04:40
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• 1:04:43
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  Speaker 2: Dinni's reporting this. In fact, you just did a little
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  Speaker 2: some conversation going back and forth some you scratch our back,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: will scratch yours that the Big Ten will agree to
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: an expanded sixteen team playoff format if and only if
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  Speaker 2: within three or four years, the SEC then votes in
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: favor of further expanded twenty four team format, which apparently
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: the SEC is reluctant to do.
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  Speaker 4: So.
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  Speaker 2: The two big boys are, of course talking with one
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: another about what will work, what won't work, but the
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: immediate target appears to be a sixteen team expanded college
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: football playoff. Now it's hard to hate that in twenty
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: twenty five, twenty twenty six in the state of Utah,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: because had this year been a sixteen team format, Utah
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: would have been in by you would have been in.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: So most people around here are probably like, Yeah, let's
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: sign me up for that.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: The problem is the sixteen team playoff is not being
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: expanded so you can get more Big twelve teams in.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: The sixteen team playoff isn't being expanded so you can
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: get Vanderbilt in when Vanderbilt has a year like they
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: did to make sure USC is in there for the
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: Big ten, et cetera, et cetera. And I think that
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: the voting and the conversations and the committee's influence will
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: be adjusted basically that in that vein and on that end.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: And that's where it gets really really tough when you're
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: a fan of anything besides those two conferences, because twenty
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: four is probably what you need in order to get
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: three or four teams in from the Big twelve if
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: it's only sixteen teams, and I say only given the
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: fact that we were four last year. Two years ago
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: we were four teams, and it's like only four teams.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: That's only twelve teams is not an only number, and
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: six teams it's certainly not an only number. But if
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: we're only at sixteen teams, it's probably a two two
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: team conference for the Big twelve, they would say BYU
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: this year got in, but they would find a way
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: conversationally to keep Utah out. And I know that the
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: polls look how they look, they wouldn't have looked the
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: same if it were a sixteen team playoff. In my opinion,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: you got to think about automatic bids. Maybe putting Duke
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: in there in a sixteen team league. I doubt it,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: but it's certainly a twenty four team format. Duke might
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: have gotten in as the ACC champion this year, which
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: would have which would have knocked one less, which would
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: have made it one less at large bid, which you
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: know threatens you toss chances too. So there's for those
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: reasons too. I mean, I don't think that they would
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: ever agree to a five loss Duke, even a champion.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: Probably not. But it's more if if Virginia had taken
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: care of business.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: If anything else, what's going to happen here, like the
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: automatic bids for the the group of five is going
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: to go away, or it's going to be an elevated
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: criteria from here.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: Now we talked about that on the show. Would it
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: be something like you have.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: To be undefeated, you have to be undefeated, at least
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: against power teams.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: You have to be.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: Ranked in the top I don't know, eight instead of
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: the top twenty whatever. I'm not sure exactly how they
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: will make that criteria tougher, but I think it's going
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: to be tougher. But maybe a more important story here
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: is that I'm not surprised by it, but that the
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: Big ten and the SEC are kind of they're kind
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: of having these conversations independently. They don't need to. They
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: don't feel a need to include the Big twelve, the ACC.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: They don't feel a need to include Notre Dame. Telling lye,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: perhaps that's probably the most interesting thing unless Notre Dame
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: is in parties in some way, but they if they were,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: they'd be included in the headline and in the story here.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's that's probably the.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: Most interesting thing to me, because I think all all
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: of us are been paying close attention and cover the sport,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: follow it as fans. We know that the SEC and
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: Big Ten don't don't give a rip about the Big
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: twelve in particular, and ACC probably they probably care a
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: little bit more because there's a few more bigger brands.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: But you already know that so, but the fact that
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: Notre Dame isn't included in the headline here, isn't included
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: in the ESPN story, isn't including the conversation about this
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: happening between the Big ten and the SEC.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: That's interesting, and that's a little surprising to me because
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: Notre Dame, even though they're not neither on those conferences,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: is Notre Dame. They're always grandfathered into the power for
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: even though they're not technically in the power for. They're
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: like the exception, the exemption of the sponsor's exemption to
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: use a golf term, like, yeah, you get in to
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: our club because you're Notre Dame. So there's eleven days
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: between now and when a decision for next year will
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: be made. Originally, this was supposed to happen on December first,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: and they pushed it back to January twenty third, and
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: that's when.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: Everyone's gonna meet again. Mark Carlan will be involved in that.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: Obviously, Brett your Mark and Company will be involved, but
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: as the Big Twelve, the de facto Big Twelve Insider
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: slash College Football Playoff representative, Mark Harlan will be involved
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: in these conversations and I'm very I'm incredibly curious to
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: know whether even lip service is paid continually to the ACC, who,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: by the way, might have a national champion this year. Yes,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: Miami did not win their conference, did not play in
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: their conference championship game, and now could win the national championship,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: which gives the ACC a lot more of a leg
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: to stand on. If you're at the Big twelve right now,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: if you're Brett. If you're Brett, you or Mark, what
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: a miserable meeting this is gonna be? Yeah, you go
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: there and they're just like, hey, Brad, good to see it, pal.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: How'd that work out for your Texas tech loan representative
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: and the college fola?
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: Oh, what's that? They didn't score any points? You know what,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: maybe you guys don't need an automatic bid. Do you
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: ever think of that? I mean, there's no you have
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: zero leverage.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: Hey, at least so you got the people's national champion
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: BYU pop Tarts Bowl champion. That's pretty cool. Yeah, that's
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: hey man, Wow, good to see you.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: I like your suit. By the way, looks great. We're
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: not gonna invite you to this party much longer. Are
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: you okay with that? All of your best teams.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: All your best teams have already called me the SEC Commissioner,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: have already called me the Big ten Commissioner. All of
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: your best brands by U Texas, Tech, Utah, Colorado, they
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: think that they.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: Belong to them. We're not gonna invite them.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: All of your big boys have already talked to us.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: Kansas thinks basketball is gonna get them an invite.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: Can you believe it? I mean, imagine how rough.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: This is gonna be for Brett Yormark in these next
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: eleven days because you have to the job is you
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: have to convince the people that don't belie even you,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: like I need we need a spot.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: We deserve our spot.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: Really, James Madison at least managed to score some points.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: What's wrong with your guys? There's just zero leverage for
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: the Big twelve right now.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: And I'll say it. Mark Harland can't say this. I can.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: It's not good for your program to be in the
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: Big twelve conference moving forward.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: It's not.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: There's a bunch of Utah fans out there who are
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: just like their mental gymnastics.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: Hey, you know it's gonna be great.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham's presidence, Oh he shall not be names presidents
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: in the Big ten is gonna get us an invite
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: to the Big ten eventually that those two things are
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: completely unrelated, but I'm gonna make them somehow related.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: Utah is gonna get.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: Invited to the Big ten, like the growth of Utah
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: as a sports of Salt Lake City is a sports market.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: Is gonna be the thing that gets you an invite
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: if anything else, And that is promising right now. The
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: trajectory is high, but it remains to be seen if
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: that's going to be good enough to where the Big
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: ten wants to invite you, and then that's yeah, I'm
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: not sure about that. We'll see hopefully that's the case.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: Here's something, here's a wild idea I thought of over
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: the weekend. No, see, okay, what about a not an alliance,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: don't say an alliance, a true merge merge of the
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: Big twelve and the ACC thirty something team conference. And
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: you're still combined, not quite as many brands as either
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: one of the SEC or the Big ten. But then
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: you're like, then you're like, hey, at least we're not
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: just by ourselves on an island here either one of
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: those conferences. So here's what you should do. Right, the
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: merger thing should be let's be adults, and let's understand
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: that not everyone belongs here. Yeah, for this merger you
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: probably you can't have a thirty team college conference until
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: there's two. You can't, right, you can, because they're gonna, Yeah,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: the big ten in the SEC, they're gonna at some point, right,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: so you could. But the right thing to do would be,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: all right, what do we want to call this? We
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: want to call this the Big third, the Big Act,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: the big the Big Act, what do we want to
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: call it? But you should have had roxy burn, seen
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: any coast conference, the ACC, the ACC twelve, whatever, I
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: don't know what you call it. But the right thing
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: to do, the big boy thing to do, is you
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: just say, all right, ACC, who's your dead weight? Tell
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: us who they are? Boston College see you later. Who
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: just doesn't make sense for you right now? I would
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: say Syracuse, but they're they're at least decently bull eligible
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: the last. And then you say to the and then
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: the ACC comes to Brett your mark and says the
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: same thing. Go come on, be honest with me. Is
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma State really worth your time these days? I know
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: at one point they were not so long ago, But
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: are they really pulling their weight? Now? What about Kansas State?
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: How about Iowa State? Losing everybody in their program including
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: their head coach. Iowa State went for being a respected
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: program to now we don't know what they are?
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: All right? Who who are you? Who's your dead weight?
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: And what?
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: And then they're what they're gonna do is they're gonna say, Okay,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: how many of these are flyover towns that nobody cares about,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: how many of these are teams that can pay their
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: way in? And they're gonna be like, Okay, Texas Tech,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: you're in b Yu, You've got this religious affiliation making
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: you a somewhat national brand.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: You're in Okay, Utah.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: We're gonna let you rest on the laurels of the
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: past here and the fact that Salt Lake City is
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: a growing sports market, a much a metro on the rise.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: You're in, Okay, Arizona State. Phoenix is the same thing.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: You guys are a big boy sports town, Arizona State.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: You get in.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: And then the big twelves looking at it and going like,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: all right, yeah, North Carolina, Clemson, Yeah, what's up? Okay, Duke,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: I guess Miami Miami for sure. Florida State probably because
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: of tradition. Yeah, Florida State. Cool, all right, Sweet Boston College,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you're a big time metro, but you're like
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: the ninetieth sports property that gets paid attention to.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: In that Mets.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: It's not a college. It's not a college fan base
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: in Boston or in New England, just not. I suppose
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: the exception is Yukon in basketball. That's in the New
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: England area. That's college fan base, but Boston College is not.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: So I mean, that's what you would have to do.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: The big boy decisions would have to be made where
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: if you wanted to just like distill your conferences to
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: like the meaningful brands. Kansas probably gets invited because of
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: their basketball history. I think Kansas State gets left in
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: the dust, which is a bummer because Kansas State has
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: been a respectable football program for more years than they haven't. Yeah,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: since Bill, since Bill Snyder took over in the early nineties,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: they've been they've been very respectable, but they've been in
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: the in the way that it's like, but you haven't
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: you haven't done anything on a national stage, so and
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: you've been disappointing the last couple of years, you lost
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: your coach. Like a lot of uncertainty there. If you
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: got rid of Pitt would anybody care? If you got
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: rid of Stanford, would anybody care? I can't believe I'm
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: gonna say this. Portal Larson's gonna cry if Virginia Tech
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: just went away. I mean them hiring James Franklin probably
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: buys them a little bit of time. But you have
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: to if you really were considering how do you position yourselves?
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: And by the way, even that would be a stay
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: of execution, because what really matters is the line drawn
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: in the sand. When the SEC and the Big ten
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: and I still think Notre Dame gets to be part
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: of it, the big boys get together and they go,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: all right, how many do we want to add to
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: this mix?
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: Miami maybe coming off.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: They're coming off at least the national championship appearance in
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: recent history. Let's say this conversation happens in three years
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: if they win it this year. I mean, come on, Miami,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: you're in cool Miami.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: What's up? North Carolina?
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: We like you get better at football, get rid of
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: the weird girlfriend situation. Let's go Florida State. Are you
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: there are you doing your thing. I mean, the realignment
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: situation depends on these two big to circle all the
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: way back to where we started this conversation in the
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: Daily Dump. It goes all the way back to what
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: Heather Dnis is reporting that the Big Ten is calling
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: the SEC, and the SEC is calling the Big Ten,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: and they're saying, we decide the future of college football.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: We do.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: It's not unilaterally, it's bilaterally, but it's not quadrilaterally with
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: all the four power conferences. It's not quintralaterally with Notre
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: Dame involved. It's those two entities saying we will decide
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: what happens for everybody, and they will get in line,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: say yes, sir, may I have some more, and they
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: will shut up. And that is a dangerous place to
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: be when you're BYU, when you're Utah, when you're Texas Tech.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: Even with all like Cody Campbell's money can't do a
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: thing in the face of the Big Ten and the SEC.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: So Cody Campbell, he can't bully his way. He's got
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: to go glad hand the SEC. It's crazy.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: Show him his books.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: It's real, guys, I promise you it's so you're gonna
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: consider us right by the way, I'm still I'm just
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: waiting for you to continue your your your uh magic
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  Speaker 2: Media people, Big Jay journalists are real mad about this.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 2: sometimes with the local television station. Whatever makes his way back.
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  Speaker 2: Usually players get to sit down do their thing a
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  Speaker 2: few minutes and then it's coaches turn. Sometimes it's coaches
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  Speaker 2: turn first, then the players, so that the players can
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  Speaker 2: get showered up and do their thing. Right. That's Liam
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  Speaker 2: Cohen not feeling it after a playoff elimination. That sucks
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: for the Jags, right, And for whatever reason, this woman
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: decided that she needed to offer some words of support,
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  Speaker 2: which is very much a fan thing to do. It's
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  Speaker 2: not necessarily like the beat writer's role. It's not necessarily
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: the insider's role. It's heavily frowned upon if you come
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: from an old school journalism perspective, and because of that,
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  Speaker 2: the old school journalists are just like this, No, there's
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  Speaker 2: no place for this, yere James.
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  Speaker 3: How long was that cut? There is? Twenty seconds?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So even if you hate it because you take
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  Speaker 2: your job super seriously as a journalist, that woman wasted
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  Speaker 2: twenty seconds of your time. If you want to view
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  Speaker 2: it as a wasted time, it was twenty seconds of
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  Speaker 2: your time. If you take yourself that seriously, that someone
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  Speaker 2: with any kind of allegiance, any kind of fandom, whatever,
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  Speaker 2: should not be in that position, should not be given
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: the microphone there. That was twenty seconds of your time,
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  Speaker 2: which is no matter how strict your deadline is, which
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: is nothing that can push you back in any meaningful
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  Speaker 2: kind of way.
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  Speaker 3: Is it ideal? Probably not.
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  Speaker 2: Is it a professional work environment that doesn't necessarily call
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: for that kind of thing?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I don't know this woman. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: At the end of the day, If you are taking
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: yourself so seriously as a sports writer that you're like, Nope,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: can't have that, not in my room, you're taking yourself
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: way too seriously. It's twenty seconds and guess what, you
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: don't have to do it. And if someone asked you,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: would you do it, you could say no, that's unprofessional,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: and you can look at it and you can say eh.
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  Speaker 2: The thing is that old school mentality of never let
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: anyone know you're a fan of something is antiquated. The
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  Speaker 2: highest paid people in our business, whether you like them
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: or not, let you know what they're fans of and
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: who they're fans of. They don't pretend that they're these
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: neutral parties who have no allegiance to anything. And by
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: the way, knowing a lot of these writers, the big
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: jay journalists, knowing a lot of these people personally, I
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: know what their allegiances are I know who they care about.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: Even if they don't want to talk about it, they'll
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: talk about it off air, they'll talk about it behind
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: the scenes. They're not robots who don't have allegiances. They
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: just think that the veil of professionalism, the barrier of professionalism,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: doesn't allow them to express it in their writing or
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: in their words publicly or whatever. And I'm totally fine
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: with that. But like people were, this went viral. People
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: got real mad about it. It's like, no, this shouldn't
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: have gone viral because it's inconsequential. Her words were not profound,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: his reaction was not significant, and the idea that it
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: happened in a media scrum is not serious enough.
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  Speaker 3: It didn't go on long enough. There weren't multiple people
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: doing it. It was nothing.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: This was This was a giant nothing burger that, because
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: media people take themselves too seriously, became a topic of
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: national conversation. Dan Patrick addressed it on the show this morning.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: The biggest guy in the business had something to say
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: about it.
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  Speaker 3: It just isn't important enough.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you probably think I'm one of those that
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: take my job too seriously. I'm not mad at I'm
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: not mad like some.
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  Speaker 3: Of these people. Tony Jones was one that that was.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: Tony was bothered by it. He was really bothered by it.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: Tony came on, he came off really mad about it.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: Tony's comment was writers on a deadline, you can't do
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  Speaker 2: this in their work environment.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: That's Tony. It was a little strong.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: It was at the most with the mic passing tour
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: and stuff. It was forty seconds. And I love Tony Jones,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: love him. It's not a big deal, Tony. Yeah, it's
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: the the deadline thing is not is not a good
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: enough reason.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: And we know Tony definitely.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: We know Tony well enough to know that there's a
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: lot of things that he says on Twitter that he
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: would like a chance to take back, and he might
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: have he might like a chance to take back that
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: he complained that, hey, there's a deadline here, because that's
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: not the deadline's not being threatened. But I will say this,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: I believe in that professionalism. I don't necessarily believe that
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: you have to. Like Dan Patrick, almost sounds like he's
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: felt like he's had to pretend that he's not a
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: fan of anybody.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's that far. But if this woman,
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: and she's been in TV and as a print print
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: journalism newspaper writer at different times for a few decades,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: now is what is what I've learned. If this woman
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: was a fan of the Jacksonville Jaguars her whole life,
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, and you have a chance to cover
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: the team, in my opinion, you still be a fan privately,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: but as you're covering the team, you don't act like
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: a fan. And that's acting like a fan. Now here's
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: a way that she could have she could have allowed
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: that sentiment to be expressed and it's and still say
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: and still say professional and true to who she needs
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: to be as a media professional. She asked him, Hey,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: this is a This is obviously not the way you
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: want to go out, but do you feel that you
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: accomplished something good this season? Regard regardless of that, like
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: that's the way you do it, you don't like, just
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: don't say anything if all you want to do is
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: compliment them in that way, that in my opinion, in
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: that in that in that setting, it's unprofessional to do that,
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: it's inappropriate to do that probably shouldn't be credentialed. If
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: that's what you want to do. But since it that
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: it happened, I'm not that mad about it. I just
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: I'm with a lot of the other with a lot
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: of the other older journalists that a lot older than me,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: that are like, it shouldn't happen, but like we're moving on. Yeah,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: I'm actually I get it. I mean, I guess we're
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: starved for news even though we're not. It's a we
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: NFL too. It's gonna Adam Schefter so highlighted, it's gonna
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: make the rounds. Okay, this is Jacksonville, the Saint New York. Yeah,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: this is the small market team. This is Jacksonville, and
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: there's I don't know. Again, I wouldn't do it that way.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: If I was sitting in the room when somebody else
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: did it that way, I might be like, oh that
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: was weird. And that's as far as it would go
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: for me. I would I wouldn't be like unpro Yeah,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, and by the way, don't pretend it's not
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: like this in our own market. People here are big
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: time fans of the teams or they're haters of the
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: teams for whatever reason, and they get emotional about it
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: and they are they their biases exist here and things
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: like that. It's it's interesting, it's you know, it's something
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: I don't like to point out and I don't like
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: to admit, but we often keep this like inordinate amount
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: of praise on the insiders, on the writers, on the
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: journalists that cover our local sports teams who are not
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: from here. Have you noticed that everyone becomes a real
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: big fan of the out of towners who come and
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: learn our teams and learn the way we do things.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: And it might be because there is no emotional attachment
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: and because they do it more professionally. But I come
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: from a I don't know if this woman considers herself
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: more of a journalist or more of a columnist or
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: whatever her name is, Lynn Jones. If it had been
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: a long drawn out situation, I'd probably be like, whoa lady,
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: take it easy. It was twenty seconds. It was maybe
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: a little weird. I think the spirit of it, the
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: meaning behind it was positive. Absolutely, you can't. You can't
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: criticize from a from a humanity's perspective and a humanity perspective,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: and that's what a lot of people who were a
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: fan of it, and I think Adam Schefter being one
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: of these, saw it as a human like that's that's
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: a cool sentiment to give to that a coach can
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: get in such a cutthroat business being on the losing end,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: that's cool. But I think Dan Patrick hit the nail
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: on the head, like you go tell them that privately
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: or or or set it up as a question like
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: I put out there that he give them a chance
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: to say whether or not they still feel like they
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: did thing They as a team did things they can
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: be proud of this year, which they should feel that
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: way for the Jacksonville Jaguars, I have I.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: Have been in rooms.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: The MMA media, by the way, is ten trillion times
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: worse than this. Yeah, because most MMA journalists are just
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: MMA fans who got a credential and they have like
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: a website that twelve people go visit. I mean, the
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: barrier to getting a credential for MMA events is lower
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: than you could possibly imagine. I have been there when
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: people they do the past my thing, and the first
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: thing that comes out of not one person's mouth, every
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: single person's mouth is this times ten. It's wow, what
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: an incredible knockout. That was an amazing performance. Congratulations. I
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: hope you buy a new car with the bonus you
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: just got like they're just gushing their fans and then
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: they oh, yeah, I'm supposed to ask a question what's
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: your favorite color? So I think my perspective is colored
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: a little bit by that, where I'm just like, oh, this,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: this is like you're used to that. It's not the
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: most professional, like buy the book behavior we've seen, but
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: it's perfectly harmless.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: It's nothing. It's zero.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: So what a strange thing for us to spend ten
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: minutes on. All Right, I gotta take a break. Our
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: number three begins.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: Is it true we have JB.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: Long coming on the show. At one point thirty JB.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: Long is going to join us. Are the Rams on
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: their way to a super Bowl? We'll talk more about
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: these NFL playoffs. By the way, another San Francisco forty
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: nine or may or may not have mentioned the practice field.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: It's a Sean O'Connell show on ESPN seven hundred ninety twofm.
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  Speaker 1: You were listening to the Sean O'Connell Show from the
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: Murdoch Hunting Studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety two
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  Speaker 1: to one af AM.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: Great weekend of football, Great weekend of basketball? Here locally
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: as long as as long as you're okay with a
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: slight moral victory on the basketball front. Actually, I shouldn't
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: say a great weekend of basketball locally, because the Jazz
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: had like a records almost a record shitting terrible performance
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: against the Charlotte Hornets.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: James Peterson was in attendance.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: For that game and may or may not be part
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: of the problem, may or may not be the reason
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: why the Utah Jazz almost had the first half the
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: worst first half in franchise history and what second second
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: largest margin of defeat in franchise history, franchise history, largest
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: defeat in the history of the Utah Jazz as in
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: since they've been in Utah, only one other game was worse,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: and that was as the New Orleans Jazz by one point.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: New Orleans das lost by fifty six one time, and
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: this is the first time the Utah Jazz have lost
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: by at least fifty five. And happen at home oco
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: is Tony off the air at the Delta Center. They
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: show you know, the they show the current defensive rating
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: and offensive rating like projected I guess.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: Throughout the game for each team.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: At one point it was like one sixty something to
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: sixty something, and I've never seen it as lopsided of
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: an offensive and defensive rating. And for those that are like,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: what are you even talking about, it's basically a final
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: score predictor because it's per what how many points you're
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: giving up or scoring per one hundred possessions, And it
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: gets pretty close to the final score at the end
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: because you teams get around one hundred possessions. A game
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: ended up being one fifty to ninety five, which again
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: not that far off from that crazy offensive and defensive rating,
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: which I've never seen anything like it. It was twenty
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: three to four late in the fourth quarter as far
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: as made threes discrepancy. Hornets made twenty three, Jazz made four,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: just as lopsided the thing as I've ever seen.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: Here's what I need. Look.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: I again, I have been a supporter of Ryan and
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: Ashley Smith and the sports decisions that they've made. For
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: the most part, I think that they've rebridged the gap
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: on a lot of fans that felt disenfranchised their.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: Jersey swap that kind of thing.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: If you paid for a ticket to this game, you
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: should get you should get a mulligan, you should get
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: to you should get to to redo. Imagine if you
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: were like the family that saved up and took all
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: four kids to this game. Or imagine if you were
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: trying to sure, you're trying to game, trying to impress this.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: You know you're gonna propose at this game or something.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: You can't. You can't. You can't if you would.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: Plan to propose to your significant other at Jazz Hornets
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: and the Jazz are just stinking it up from the
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: very opening tip.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: You it ruins your proposal plans. You can't.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: It was, and they did from the very opening tip.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: It was sixteen to four, like it was not close. Ever,
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: it was when it was zero zero and they threw
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: up the ball.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: At the opening tip off. That's when it was close.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: There needs to be some kind of mercy rule in
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: NBA basketball, where it would be so much more humiliating
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: and embarrassing than anywhere else. Mercy rule in like Little
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: League baseball. It's kind of funny because the kids. Half
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: the kids don't even understand what's going on. Oh why
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: can't we keep playing? It's like, do you want the
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: capreset or not? Johnny, Yeah I do? Why Okay? Then
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: come over here and they're like they're happy. You know
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: what I mean, that's distraction. Here's what I need, all right,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: if you're gonna have a performance like that, I need
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: running clock never stops, like you see sometimes in high
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: school football when there's a mutual agreement that it's getting
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: out of hand and they don't want anyone to get hurt.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: I want a running clock for the entire fourth quarter.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: And I want the losing team, in this case, the
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz, when it's that bad, if you've implemented the
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: mercy rule in NBA basketball, the losing team somebody has
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: to show up with like orange slices and the little
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: like little league postgame snack, a caprice son, a juice box,
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: maybe a chocolate milk. And you have to guys, you
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: played tonight like little leaguers, so we're gonna treat you
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: like little leaguers tonight.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: What about my what about my usual protein shake in
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: the back? No, nope, you get a caprice son, all right.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: It's a rfic slice. It's a Pacific cooler, which is
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: the best flavor. And you're gonna be happy about it.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: Ace Bailey, he'd probably be sweet. I love these things.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: This is dope.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 3: I will say this, it was an open tank game.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: Lowery didn't play, Nurkics didn't play, even though it would
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: have been a revenge game for Nirk That was sus
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: Ace Bailey did not play, all right. See, so they
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: they said it was and the Hornets play LaMelo Ball
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: did play. Conkoinipple one of the best rookies in the
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: in the league this year. He played, played really well.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: Brandon Miller, who's coming into his own he played.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 4: So it was.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: The Jazz tried their best to not put out their
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: best their best product out there, but fifty five points
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: at home. All right, So you're only supporting my my
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: ticket voucher situation here because not only did the team
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: play poorly, but also the team president lied to you
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: and said you won't see that this year. There it is, right, Well,
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: we saw it, and we saw the results of it.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: Fifty five point loss.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: And by the way, when you you when the players
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: go Kevin Loves stripping off his his uniform, he's about
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: to throw it in the he played, by the way,
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: about to throw it in the bin for some poor
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: Jazz intern to wash. Uh huh, nope, take that home.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: You gotta wash it yourself. This is little league. You
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: don't have laundry services, all right, you gotta do it.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: There's got to be some type of like meaning full punishment.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: Now that' stings. Also, why.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: One of the things that bothers me most about the
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: Jazz as a franchise is they have these types of
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: things where some random guy will go for his career
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: high against the Jazz. Specifically, it's always somebody like if
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: when Kobe Bryant goes for eighty, that's fine, right, that's Kobe.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: He's a Hall of Famer, he's an all time great
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 3: final game. Yeah, that's Kobe. It's like, all right, cool man,
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 3: do it against do it against the Jazz. Whatever. That's
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: that's a you thing.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: What It's like, Chandler Parsons has fifty six points against you.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 3: You're like, what, Jazz, why are you doing this to us?
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: Dereck Rose not MVP, Derreck Rose getting fifty points as
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: a as the sixth man of a of a t
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: Wolves team that didn't make the playoffs, Yeah, that's that
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: happened against the Jazz.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: The largest the largest playoff loss in the history of
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: the NBA. James, do you know what it is?
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: I do, and I root for it every time it
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: gets close to this margin of victory. I root so
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: hard that for that record you get broken every year
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: in the NBA Finals ninety six to fifty four, Game
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: three of the ninety eight finals, forty two point margin
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: of victory. Also the lowest points scored in an NBA
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: Finals game fifty four, So it doubly bad record.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 3: Not just the finals game, any playoffs season game. Ever.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: I don't like that the Jazz have those types of records.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: That's irritating, and you're not that lowest point scored thing.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: The way the league is going right now, that's probably
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: the most unbreakable record at this The way the league
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: is now, teams score fifty four points in the first
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: quarter sometimes, hoh see, I'm exaggerating, but like that's safe
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: forty two point margin of victory, not necessarily that one
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: can be got. Let to do it already, come on,
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, ninety of this past segment is all just
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: tongue in cheek because obviously, you know, there's eighty two
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: games and you're not really trying to win and whatever.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: But if you're gonna have that abysmal performance, do it
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: on the road. Yeah, do it somewhere else, or maybe
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: don't do it against a team that has basically an
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: identical record to you is also bad at home. Well
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: in that case, no, do it against those types of teams,
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: Say for the tank, so that so that they, you know,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: the draft lottery positioning doesn't get messed with here, Hey
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: gotta do it for the tank first, all right, but no,
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: it's embarrassing even under the even under the circumstances that
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: being said, still a full house basically and a.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: And the crowd was fairly lively.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: Like that's that's probably just like we're having a good
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: time on a Saturday night kind of thing. But like
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: another example of jazz fans bringing a really good atmosphere
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: to the Delta Center even though they have no reason too.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: It's it's amazing. Shout out to jazz fans.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: I will say that it's going to be because the
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: Smith Entertainment Group has yet to have a playoff atmosphere
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: and they are doing their darneda to make fan experiences.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: Accessible meaningful.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: It was Mammoth night at the Delta Center, by the way,
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: so they had like Mammoth the concessions, the big the
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: giant pretzel, thing that they haven't mad I have not neither,
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: but it's supposed to be a mammoth ear. Yeah they had, Yeah,
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: they had that. And then they had the giant doughnut
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: that you can get it and the nacho helmet.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: So that was kind of cool. They they.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: Speaking of what they're trying to do from a game
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: ops perspective to keep the atmosphere good.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: This it was.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: It was cool crossover. Now were they wearing the City
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: edition uniforms? They were wearing the Jazz weren't wearing those uniforms.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: I thought that was a miss.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 3: Because on Mammoth Knight, those are mammoth colors.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they they did not wear those. They were their
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: purple the Road the the quote unquote road jerseys those
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: aren't really a thing anymore, but the purple Mountain jersey
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: and the but the arena hosts were all wearing mammoth sweaters.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: Tusky was wearing a Jazz uniform and the and the
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: Bear was wearing a was wearing a.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: A mammoth sweater.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: So they did the you know, the the timeout game
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: where they put the tiny nets on the ice during
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: Mammoth games and yet and you get team store gift
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: card depending on how many pucks you can put in
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: the tiny nets from however, from however far away. They
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: did that on the jazz court. Okay, so they put
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: the they did like those kind of hockey games. The
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: PA announcer was one of the arena hosts. The Mammoth
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: PA announcer was one of the you know the you tug.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 3: Yes incredible.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was they from an atmosphere that probably
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: helped the atmosphere stay good.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: Was the was the way that they pulled off the crossovernight?
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I need now the Mammoth to do
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: a jazz night where they wear sweaters that are purple
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: and green.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: Or you know what, highlighter yellow.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: No I saw I saw a bunch of those jerseys
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: in the stands, and like I said before on the air,
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: I just could not believe any of those people spent
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: money on those.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: Okay, so will those ever be cool?
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: There were a lot of people who desperately wanted the
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: Padres to get away from the brown, right, and now
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: we've come full circle where it's like nostalgic cool, awesome.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: There are a lot of people.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: Who hated hated the Astros orange and blue and like
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: the eighties Astros, eighties astros, Right, all these things have
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: come back around.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 3: There was a time where we were like, what have we.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: Done with the Vancouver Grizzlies jerseys and things like that. Yeah,
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: they just had a night celebrating those jerseys exactly. Now
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: those things are amazing, right, Well, the highlighter yellow ever
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: experienced that renaissance. If Lowry Markinen has an influence, yes,
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: because he said on the record multiple times that's his favorite,
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: that was his favorite of that short era of jerseys.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 3: But I don't think so. I think that gets a
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 3: race from history. But then I don't know.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: I saw way more of those highlighter yellow jerseys in
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: the black and yellow jerseys at the game on Saturday
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: than I thought I ever would after they switched, after
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: they went away from those officially, who knows, maybe they will.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: I will rue that day. It's just things that are
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: old are not always cool, how about that?
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: See, but I'm a sucker for nostalgia, so I like
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: pretty much all the stuff, the old stuff that's cool.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: Like remember the Detroit Pistons nineties uniforms that were just
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: like teeal ones. It was like teal and kind of
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: maroon and like a weird black the black black thing,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: flaming like flaming nostrils horse. Those things are like, objectively
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: they're hideous.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: But you think they're cool. They're kind of cool. I
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: I think everything that at the time a lot of
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: people thought was awful now I now, I'm not saying
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: that I still think those things. All of those things
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: are awful, but I still think most of them are
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: still as bad as we thought they.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 3: Were in the lifetime.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: There are some jerseys that people just want, like the
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: BYU Bib jersey. Remember the b Yu Bib jersey. That
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: thing is stayed dead. Yeah, they won't bring it back.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 3: No one likes that. There's no nostalgia attached to that.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 3: And I don't know why the bib jersey was awesome.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: Is there a is there a Utah throwback jersey that
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: people didn't like at the time that his stayed dead
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: or is coming back around.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 3: It's a good question.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: The mountains on the sleeves were very controversial. Oh yeah,
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: was that during the final four season or is that
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 2: a little before that or after that? I feel like
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: it was around that time. I'm talking about the football
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: jers ah, the football jers. I'm sorry, I'm thinking basketball.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: They I thought they had something similar like that in
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: basketball too. Mountains on the sleeve football jersey. Yeah, there
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: are people like, do you think that'll come back?
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 3: They should? You liked it. I'm pro mountain, you pro mountain. Yeah.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: Instead they've got on with the like the stripe thing,
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: very stripey. The uniforms are very stripey. Now, I'm okay
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: with the mountains instead, I'm okay with just a flat
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: color colorway as we call it in the cool kid business.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: The two Jazz The two editions of jazz jerseys that
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: should never come back are the most recent ones. They
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: moved away from the highlighter yellow purple is back jerseys,
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: as I like to call them, and then the beginning
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: of the Darren Williams Carlos Boozer era. Not the not
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: the Carolina blue alternate jersey that was the exception.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 3: The rest of it not.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: Near as bad as the highlighter yellow ones purple is
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: back ones, but still pretty bad. Can I tell you something, James,
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: The highlighter yellow are way way, way better than the
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: Derek Favors Gordon Hayward dark green, dark yellow, and dark
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: blue jerseys. Those are hideous. Those are the worst jerseys
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: in all like those. Didn't like those, but I could
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: not disagree more. I would rather have highlighter yellow and
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: black every day of the week than those horrifically just
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: designed the jersey.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: They were just bland.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: Right. If you had just taken one of those colors
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: and made it kind of like a lighter tone, it
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: might have helped. But it was like all of them
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: were the same level of saturation. It was dark blue,
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: dark green, dark yellow.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 3: Why. I just what I don't understand from that.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: Era is they made the logo like the original Jazz
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: logo that they brought with them from New Orleans, and
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: then they then they decided to just do navy blue
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: instead of purple. Yeah, just go back to those jerseys.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 3: It was.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: It was nonsensical and hideously ugly. Legitimately, at that time,
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: if you take that snapshot of years, those were the
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: ugliest uniforms in all of pro sports, across all leagues.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: Let's get away from this. I feel angry now for
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: no reason. All Right, the Jazz We're bad in multiple ways.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: This on Saturday, we have a big Willi's gift card.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: We have two tickets to the Utah Auto Expo at
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: the Mountain America Expo Center in Sandy coming up January
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: sixteenth through the nineteenth. So this coming weekend, we'll have
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: a trivia question for you. If you can answer it,
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: we'll give you Big Willi's gift card and Auto Expo tickets.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN seven hundred ninety two one FM.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: As you were listening to the Sean O'Connell Show from
• 1:54:41
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• 1:54:45
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• 1:54:56
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• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: to answer this question for me on the Shot O'Connell's show.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: What year did the Utah Jazz set the record for
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: the largest margin of defeat in a playoff loss ever?
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: We were just talking about this and it sticks with
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: the theme of the Utah Jazz weekend where Wow, what
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: a fifty five point loss? What year did they set
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: the playoff loss record in the NBA eight seven seven
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: three five three zero seven hundred hint.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 3: I believe it was the NBA Finals and it was
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 3: a very very important game. Yes, yes, I do recall
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 3: watching that game.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 6: Okay, and I do recall this weekend turning on the
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 6: Jazz game and it was forty to fourteen?
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 3: Is that good?
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 6: I went, what exactly are we doing here? They were
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 6: down thirty seven after the first quarter. It was a
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 6: completely unseerious display from pretty unseerious basketball team.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 3: Hello, Sean, how are you great? That spence check? It's guys.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: The Drive comes up immediately following the Sean O'Connell show.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: You already know that because, of course you're listening to both,
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: which is seven hours of sports talk programming, which means
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: you probably should have something better to do with your day.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 3: But it's all we ask of you. We ask. If
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 3: we only ask seven hours a day of you, it's
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 3: not a big ask.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 6: You were your reference. You have friends that live in Harriman. Yeah,
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 6: who are these people?
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: People I grew up with, man like the uh the
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: class of two Jordan High shout out beat diggers, A
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: lot of the a lot of my fellow beat diggers.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: They decided to migrate to the new homes, the new
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: built homes southwest corner of the valley, you know le
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 2: High beyond the valley, those are beyond all borders there,
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Utah County.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: But the Harriman folks, they're out there spend the spend
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: uh well.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 6: In total, it was about three and a half hours
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 6: of my morning went out to the RSL practice facility today,
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 6: sat down with Jason Christ That interview will run tonight
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 6: with our friends at KUTV. Pulled up map quest or
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 6: Google Maps. I believe that's what I use. Fired up
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 6: the address.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 3: Ki Quest still exists.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 6: Look I I still say I TVO shows even though
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 6: TVO hasn't been around for twenty years. Fifty two minutes
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 6: from the domicile to the RSL practice facility.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 3: Went out there at a lovely time. But you you
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 3: feel like you're on a different planet.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 6: It's if you don't spend time there because you take
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 6: I fifteen, you're like, oh, I'm almost here. You get
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 6: off of I fifteen, they're like, yeah, thirty more minutes west.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 6: Have you spent copious amounts of time in Hareman?
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 3: I spent of plenty of time there. Yeah, with your tone,
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 3: You're like enthusiastic about Harriman. There's nothing wrong with Harriman.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong with Herman. Hermon's great. Is it really? Yeah?
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 3: I have to spend some more time. You know what's
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 3: actually really interesting about?
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 6: Uh?
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: So, there's like there's a canyon like beyond the reaches
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: of Harriman. I think it's Rose Canyon, where like you
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: can buy like horse property out there, but it's still
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: in the valley.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 6: It's very odd and intrigues me. Is this see my
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 6: Harriman knowledge is lacking? I will say I did a
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 6: remote out there during Utah football season and we had
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 6: more traffic out there than we have in like the
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 6: Smithson Night the night, so shout out to the good people.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 6: Is this the area that the Miller's bought and just
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 6: like they basically built it out of thin air?
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 3: Or am I thinking of a different place?
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 6: It is daybreak? I don't know, dude, Like I feel
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 6: like all of that is isn't daybreak in that general vicinity?
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: Ok?
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's old kennicott Land.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, because this is how my poisoned brain works when
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: I drive there, when I go out to Harriman, I
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: think of when I was in school and even in college,
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: and there was nothing out There was nothing out.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 3: There was not a thing.
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: It was just fields right and Saratoga Springs and Eagle
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: Mountain and all these places.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 3: There was nothing there.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm like, man, if only I had the
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: foresight and the money back in those days, because you
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 2: probably could have bought all of Harriman for like a
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: dollar fifty an acre.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, when we were young. Yeah, and now you
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 6: would be a billionaire. Where's the ballpark? Where's the baseball facility?
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 3: Is that daybreak? Andrea, that's daybreak?
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 6: Okay, Well yeah, my mind was scrambled spending some time
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 6: out there today.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 3: But it's good to experience new things. Yeah.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 6: I usually don't go south of thirty third, like you're
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 6: one of those. Yes, anything south of thirty third to me.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 3: You're in Provo.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have to go to Provo every other
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: weekend because that's where the in laws are.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 6: Oh, it's a long it's a long trick. Okay, Well,
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 6: I'm sure when you're going by horse and buggies, we
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 6: like to indeed, as one does. Speaking of Provo, strong
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 6: showing of BYU fans of the Huntsman.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 3: Center on Saturday night. Let's not focus on that. Well,
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, I thought it was a really fun game.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 3: It was a great game.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: Alex Jensen squad accounted well for themselves ultimately in a loss,
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: which there's no such thing as moral victories. But I
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: allow for it a little bit because you're a rebuilding
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: program against one of the biggest ticket programs in college
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: basketball right now. Yeah, and I think that we saw
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: some glimpses of the culture that Alex has tried to
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: put together.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 6: I mean, look, Kevin Young and has paid mercenaries, made
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 6: the trip up to Salt Lake City, and that's a
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 6: really good basketball team.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 6: For all of AJ's talent, Rob Wright makes that team
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 6: go in a way that I thought really manifested down
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 6: the stretch. If your a youth fan, missed a ton
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 6: of wide open threes, but it was the glass down
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 6: the stretch. They could not get a board to save
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 6: their lives. So ironically enough, BYU hasn't won up here
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 6: since twenty twenty one, like it's been five years. The
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 6: line opened up like seventeen. I'm like, dude, you don't
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 6: know what happens when these two teams played. It's very
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 6: rarely a blowout. McDon McHenry, Terrence Brown. They've got two
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 6: good isolation guards, but they're a little redundant. Their conco
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 6: kid is a beast, and Keanu on the boards not bad.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 6: I don't know, man, Uh, it was fun to see.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 6: No matter what the discrepancy was, you know, sixty percent,
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 6: you'd fans forty percent, whatever, whatever it was, it was
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 6: just fun to see that building alive again.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, to have the.
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: Energy to have it be loud to you could tell
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: on TV like all of it and you heard you
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: saw coach mentioned it. Heard coach mentioned it after the
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 2: game like this is what we want. Yeah, because how
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: weird it is for him and he's mentioned it several times.
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: When he was a player, they were the biggest show
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 2: in town. Oh yeah, and now it's like, hey, could
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 2: you guys come to the games?
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: So I think that you know, the fans are starting
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 2: to return. Nature is healing well.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 4: And.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 6: It's the fans here here, here the fit. And I
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 6: don't tell if you're a fan fan, how are you
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 6: on a fan? You cannot complain about the progress of
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 6: the basketball program. If you're not willing to invest in
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 6: a tent. You can't be that fan if you don't
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 6: give it, you don't give her rep. But if you're
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 6: online angry that you basketball isn't what it was in
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 6: the nineties, and then you sit on your ass at
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 6: home and you refuse to go to the games, then
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 6: that's the guy that I can't stand personally, because ultimately,
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 6: Kevin Young has several aces in the hole that Alex
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 6: doesn't have, namely a bank roll at BYU basketball one
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 6: of the top two or three spending programs in the
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 6: Big twelve.
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 3: You top basketball is not that.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 6: But the Marriage Center is an incredible college basketball atmosphere
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 6: because it is packed. It's not because it's an awesome building.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 6: It's because the students show up. And so if you're
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 6: trying to recruit somebody to come play for your program
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 6: and you walk them into a half empty building and
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 6: it's a top tier, blue chip recruit that could go anywhere,
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 6: you're not going to get them to come to Utah
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 6: unless there are people in the building.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and again, Rome isn't built to today. I don't
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 2: expect it to be a flip a switch and everything's
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 2: back to where it once was. Yeah, I think that
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 2: we're on the right track, and Alex Jensen is on
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 2: the right track, and he's very transparent about the fact
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 2: that progress needs to be made incrementally, which I one
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 2: of the many things I appreciate about him. The thing
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: I appreciate about him most is that you want coaches
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 2: to do this, put some of their attitude, some of
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: their competitiveness, some of their playing style into their players.
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 2: And we saw that last night, maybe more than any
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 2: other games so far this year.
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 3: We did.
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  Speaker 6: I was a little bit confused as to why they
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  Speaker 6: couldn't acclimate to a zone defense BYU went zone and
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  Speaker 6: they're like, what do we do here?
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  Speaker 3: Shot clock violation? What witch craft is this?
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  Speaker 4: Hold on?
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  Speaker 6: They just went from man to zone. Okay, let's stagger
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  Speaker 6: someone of the high posts. Let's move to basketball. You
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 6: guys can do this. And there was a shot clock violation,
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  Speaker 6: there were two turnovers. But really that I don't usually
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  Speaker 6: say this because I'm with you. I don't want the
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  Speaker 6: moral victory. Crap, don't give it to me.
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  Speaker 3: You go win the game. That was very winnable.
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  Speaker 6: There were a couple of games early on where Alex
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  Speaker 6: after was like we were in at them, like you
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  Speaker 6: aren't that BYU.
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  Speaker 3: Game was winnable.
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  Speaker 6: You go back and knocked down a couple of the
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  Speaker 6: wide open threes, you don't let Richie Saunders get every
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  Speaker 6: offensive board, and you win the game.
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  Speaker 3: So it was a good sign. But you lost the game.
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  Speaker 3: That's all that matters.
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  Speaker 6: Nineteen ninety eight, By the way, did they I just
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  Speaker 6: did they score fifty? What did they score in that game?
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  Speaker 6: It was the Bulls, that's right. Ninety six fifty four
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  Speaker 6: is the NBA five.
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  Speaker 2: It is the lowest playoff point total, not finals, playoff
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  Speaker 2: points total in NBA history.
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  Speaker 3: It was pathetic. I remember that game. Sorry I brought
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  Speaker 3: up the old stuff. Guys, Well, what are you supposed
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  Speaker 3: to do? Like?
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  Speaker 6: That was such an unseerious approach to a professional basketball game.
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  Speaker 6: I'm serious. I'm like, oh, the Jazz game's on, I'm behind.
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  Speaker 6: It's forty to fourteen. These are two NBA teams.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's like when you're watching women's basketball in the
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 2: NCAA and it's like South Carolina versus Tennessee Tech or something.
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  Speaker 2: You're like, oh, yes, yes, these teams has professional players
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  Speaker 2: and the other team as girls who didn't start on
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  Speaker 2: their high school squad.
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  Speaker 6: Are we allowed to quote the Family guy WNBA clip
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  Speaker 6: on the show or not.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna it's your show, now go ahead. No,
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  Speaker 3: I think we probably shouldn't.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 6: I think I've told you the story anecdotally before you know.
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  Speaker 6: My high school basketball career was basically, I'm playing with
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 6: a bunch of future hedge fund advisors named Trip. We're
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  Speaker 6: all between five ten and six three, and in surrounding
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  Speaker 6: areas you're playing against like legitimate college and pro players.
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  Speaker 6: We're playing hard for public. Who's the high school Marcus
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  Speaker 6: CAMMI went to at halftime, it's forty five to ten.
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  Speaker 6: We are losing forty five to ten. Cool and our
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  Speaker 6: team manager, this little goob, comes up to me as
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  Speaker 6: I'm walking off the forty He's like, hey, are they
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  Speaker 6: switching on the picks?
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, it is forty five to ten.
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  Speaker 6: We have bigger fish to fry. I don't know if
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  Speaker 6: they're switching on the picks. I tried to shoot a
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  Speaker 6: floater and the guy caught it in mid air. Are
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 6: they switching on the picks? It's forty five to ten.
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  Speaker 1: Cow.
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  Speaker 2: Two guys who are six ten and can touch the
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  Speaker 2: top of the back backboard.
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  Speaker 6: Our starting center is studying finance at Dartmouth next year.
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  Speaker 3: He six to won. His name is Chip Okay, it's
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  Speaker 3: time for us to go home. This is an unfair fight,
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  Speaker 3: the good old day indeed, stay tuned for the drive.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to The Sean O'Connell Show. We'll do
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  Speaker 3: it again tomorrow on ESPN seven hundred idy to one
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