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  Speaker 1: This is the bold reform it.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight, the Governor General celebrates the victory of labor as
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  Speaker 2: she swears in the new ministry of mate Anthony ALBANIZI
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  Speaker 2: time for a quick selfie. Plus the problems labor ignored
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  Speaker 2: and lied about in the election come roaring back. Another
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  Speaker 2: crucial factory faces closure just because of crippling power prices,
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  Speaker 2: and that's only for a start. And one labor leader
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  Speaker 2: tackles the mass immigration crisis by telling home truths that
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  Speaker 2: are dismissed here as far right racism. Pity, it's not
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  Speaker 2: our own labor prime minister saying this.
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  Speaker 3: We risk becoming an island of strangers. So yes, I
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  Speaker 3: believe in this. I believe we need to reduce immigration significantly.
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  Speaker 2: More of that astonishing speech later. Plus Donald Trump defends
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  Speaker 2: taking what looks like a six hundred million dollar bribe
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  Speaker 2: from an Arab country that defends humas.
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  Speaker 4: I could be a stupid person to say, oh, no,
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  Speaker 4: we don't want a free plane.
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  Speaker 1: We give free things out, we'll take one.
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  Speaker 5: Two.
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  Speaker 2: But first, Susan Lee surprised me today, and I think
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  Speaker 2: this might work out better than I feared for the liberals. Well, initially,
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  Speaker 2: I think just Enterprise just put in a little stick
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  Speaker 2: in the spokes But anyway, I'll get to that Liberal
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  Speaker 2: and Peace that I elected Susan Lee as their first
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  Speaker 2: female leader ever.
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  Speaker 6: It is an enormous privilege to have been elected the
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  Speaker 6: leader of the parliamentary Liberal Party. I am humbled, I
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  Speaker 6: am honored, and I am up for the job.
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  Speaker 7: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Lee only just beat formertoritary spokesman Angus Taylor for the
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  Speaker 2: leadership by twenty nine votes to twenty five. Taylor today
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  Speaker 2: literally faced the locked door, and that is a party split.
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  Speaker 2: Nowlee's deputy will be another person from the Liberal left,
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  Speaker 2: former energy spokesman Ted O'Brien, the Mandarin speaking former businessman,
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  Speaker 2: an architect of the coalition's plan for nuclear power plants.
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  Speaker 2: Now I most vote is the Liberals are now led
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  Speaker 2: by two people they've never heard of or barely know.
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  Speaker 2: And Lee wisely started a press conference today by introducing
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  Speaker 2: herself to Australia. Now that's what I'll start with too,
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  Speaker 2: before showing you some signals that sent at Lee sent
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  Speaker 2: about where she will take the party.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Lee came here after being born in Nigeria to British immigrants.
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  Speaker 2: Her father worked in British Intelligence, so they lived for
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  Speaker 2: a while in the United Arab Emirates as well, and
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  Speaker 2: Lee came to Australia via Britain.
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  Speaker 6: When I came to this country as a young girl
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  Speaker 6: from a cold English boarding school in my teenage years,
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  Speaker 6: I stepped out of the airplane at Brisbane Airport and
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  Speaker 6: I looked at this brilliant blues. I knew that I'd
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  Speaker 6: come to the best country on Earth, and I knew
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  Speaker 6: that Australia was a place where I could dream my
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  Speaker 6: biggest dreams, and I have in my life. In Western Queensland,
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  Speaker 6: I worked in the sharing sheds. I learned the value
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  Speaker 6: of a hard day's work in the hot sun. I
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  Speaker 6: learned the real value of and the dignity of manual labor.
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  Speaker 2: Lee also studied to become the pilot and did aerial
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  Speaker 2: stock mustering. She much later flew Assessner around her big
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  Speaker 2: electorate in New South Wales to get to voters. Lee
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  Speaker 2: also became the farmer, had three children, and then as
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  Speaker 2: a mother, got a master's degree in taxation, another one
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  Speaker 2: in accountancy, and worked for the Tax Office. In twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty one she was elected to Parliament and since twenty
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  Speaker 2: oh one sorry twenty oh one, so she's been in
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  Speaker 2: Parliament quite a while. She was elected to Parliament and
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  Speaker 2: has since served as Minister for Health and Sport, and
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  Speaker 2: she was Peter Dutton's deputy.
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  Speaker 5: Before the election.
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  Speaker 2: So on in all a woman of substance, even though
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  Speaker 2: she's never actually impressed herself on any big public debate.
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  Speaker 2: That was a question mark I had about her. But
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  Speaker 2: she does come to the leadership with less baggage than
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  Speaker 2: Angus Taylor would have as the Trusury spokesman who actually
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  Speaker 2: promised higher taxes than Labor did. And as a woman,
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  Speaker 2: she could now say this was now her mission and
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  Speaker 2: looked like she meant it.
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  Speaker 6: We have to have a liberal party that respects modern Australia,
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  Speaker 6: that reflects modern Australia, and that represents modern Australia, and
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  Speaker 6: we have to meet the people where they are. And
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  Speaker 6: that's what I am committed to doing. Are what I'm
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  Speaker 6: determined to do. I want to do things differently and
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  Speaker 6: we have to have a fresh approach.
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  Speaker 2: So sounds good, but you know, there's no details with it.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, the optics today were good and Lee
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  Speaker 2: would have also got at least a bit of sympathy
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  Speaker 2: for this and for sold.
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  Speaker 6: Go on, I will acknowledge my mom Angela in aubury On.
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  Speaker 6: My mom is very sick, and on Mother's Day, before
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  Speaker 6: I came up here, I called in to see her
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  Speaker 6: and I thought that it might be the last time
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  Speaker 6: that I did. She is in end of life care
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  Speaker 6: and this week has been tough because I've kept in
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  Speaker 6: touch with her and her medical team and my family,
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  Speaker 6: and I just wanted to mention my mum this morning.
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  Speaker 6: And I know you'll understand that after I've taken all
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  Speaker 6: of your questions exhaustively, I will be heading home to
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  Speaker 6: be by her side. And my mom grew up in
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  Speaker 6: wartime Britain, and the values of resilience, self reliance and
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  Speaker 6: persistence that I believe I have today come from her.
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  Speaker 6: So thank you, Mom.
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  Speaker 2: So what in Lee's performance today did I think would
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  Speaker 2: give the Liberals some hope? Well, of course, you know
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  Speaker 2: the fact she looked and sounded fresh. As for policy,
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  Speaker 2: Lee did sensibly say she wasn't going to announce any
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  Speaker 2: policies now, not without looking closely went wrong in the
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  Speaker 2: election and deciding things collectively with a party.
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  Speaker 6: I committed to my colleagues that there would be no
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  Speaker 6: Captain's calls.
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  Speaker 2: But let me pass on some hints that Lee did give.
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  Speaker 2: Most of them you probably find good. That's true that
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  Speaker 2: Lee's of the liberal left and said governments were one
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  Speaker 2: from the center. That sense, she was not ruling out
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  Speaker 2: dumping the net zero target that is driving the Albanezy
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  Speaker 2: government to scrap our coal fired power stations at enormous
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  Speaker 2: costs as you've seen in your bills, and add a
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  Speaker 2: risk to our supply.
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  Speaker 6: There are different views about how we appropriately reduce emissions.
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  Speaker 1: Now. We need to reduce emissions.
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  Speaker 6: In this country and Australia needs to play its part
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  Speaker 6: in reducing emissions. That I absolutely sign up to. We
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  Speaker 6: also know that if we don't do energy policy well,
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  Speaker 6: we can crash the energy grid. We can cripple Australian manufacturing.
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  Speaker 6: We can have a situation where sovereign manufacturing capability in
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  Speaker 6: this country is going out the door backwards or going overseas.
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  Speaker 2: You're prepared to walk away from next to.
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  Speaker 6: You, you're pretty words in my math, Andrew, no policies
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  Speaker 6: have been adopted or walked away from at this time.
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  Speaker 5: All right, you saw paying some tributes.
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  Speaker 2: Still to know the global warming business, but she knows
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  Speaker 2: she can't go labor light on global warming when the
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  Speaker 2: Nationals will then walk away from the coalition. She did,
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  Speaker 2: a split really is on the cards. Lee also wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: go all you know, the three flags nonsense or all
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  Speaker 2: out for the new tribalism.
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  Speaker 6: We should unite under the one Australian flag. That is
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  Speaker 6: my firm view. Of course, I'm happy to stand in
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  Speaker 6: front of the indigenous flag and I frequently do and
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  Speaker 6: I frequently have with respect to welcome for country. It's simple.
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  Speaker 6: If it's meaningful, if it matters, if it resonates, then
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  Speaker 6: it's in.
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  Speaker 1: The right place.
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  Speaker 6: If it's done in a way that is ticking a
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  Speaker 6: box on a team's meeting, then I don't think it
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  Speaker 6: is relevant, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I mean fairly promisingly. Also repeated that she had long
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  Speaker 2: backed off more leftist positions she used to have, like
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  Speaker 2: wanting live Sheep exports band who she now supports them.
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  Speaker 2: She also again backed off comments she made seventeen years
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  Speaker 2: ago which she was very pro Palestinian, saying Gaza's besieged
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  Speaker 2: contained on the brink of starvation, the crushing economic embargo, fees,
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  Speaker 2: fury and resentment both in Gaza and the West Bank
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  Speaker 2: and Palestinians were having to pay for settling Jews after
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  Speaker 2: the Holocaust.
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  Speaker 5: Do you still agree with that statement today?
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  Speaker 1: I don't.
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  Speaker 6: And one of the great privileges of advancing in years
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  Speaker 6: and understanding is looking at issues that you might have
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  Speaker 6: once seen through one prism through a different prism.
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  Speaker 2: All I said today really was the easy bit, believe
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  Speaker 2: it or not. Lee just needed to sound and look
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  Speaker 2: like a healer, and she did that and seemed confident,
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  Speaker 2: a bit breathless at first, but surely gained confidence and
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  Speaker 2: maybe an time she will show she's a real leader too.
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  Speaker 2: But today's result did immediately add to the liberals problems.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the first is obviously Angus Taylor, very talented,
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  Speaker 2: will he now quit politics since he's lost his bid
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  Speaker 2: to become a leader? Lee made clear she actually wanted
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  Speaker 2: him to stay and serve in a top portfolio. It
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  Speaker 2: might even be Treasury for all you know. That would
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  Speaker 2: then make Taylor an instant target given the terrible economic
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  Speaker 2: policies he had to deliver under Dutton. Now, interestingly, Lee
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  Speaker 2: hasn't yet agreed to let the ambitious Ted o'brain claim
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  Speaker 2: that treasury re portfolio for himself, so I've watched that
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  Speaker 2: space second Coalition superstar just sent to damper Jimper Price.
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  Speaker 2: She was damaged a bit today. She wanted to be
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  Speaker 2: deputy leader if Angus Taylor won. In the end, she
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  Speaker 2: didn't even stand for the job. The job there was
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  Speaker 2: a whole point of her walking out on the Nationals
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  Speaker 2: last week and becoming a Liberal instead, or that betrayal,
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  Speaker 2: all those hurt feelings and anger for nothing. And third,
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  Speaker 2: having Ted O'Brien and Slee's deputy will make it now
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  Speaker 2: harder for Lee to dump his nuclear energy plan.
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  Speaker 5: And not that she should not.
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  Speaker 2: All of it, but already Energy Minister Chris Bowen is
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  Speaker 2: attacking him, posting Tet O'Brien, the author of the coalition's
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  Speaker 2: spectacular failure, there was six hundred billion dollar nuclear policy.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's a lie. By the way, has just been
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  Speaker 2: elected deputy leader of the Liberal Party. They don't seem
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  Speaker 2: to be listening to Australians, Bone doesn't seem to be
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  Speaker 2: listening to facts. That said, it was actually O'Brien today
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  Speaker 2: who gave the most rousing statement of liberal values, and
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  Speaker 2: I think you could read it as a warning of
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  Speaker 2: his own political ambitions.
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  Speaker 8: We believe in the importance of freedom. We believe in
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  Speaker 8: the importance of equality. We believe in the importance of
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  Speaker 8: a fair go We believe in the individual, We believe
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  Speaker 8: in family, we believe in community, we believe in enterprise,
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  Speaker 8: and we believe in entrepreneurship. And these values which unite
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  Speaker 8: the Liberal Party are the very values that have the
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  Speaker 8: capacity to unite the nation.
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  Speaker 2: So there was something there for the Liberals to build
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  Speaker 2: on today if they overcome their divisions, and at least
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  Speaker 2: seems a listener, which will be essential if she's got
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  Speaker 2: the goods to actually take the party to the next selection.
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  Speaker 2: That remains to be seen. But today did her no
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  Speaker 2: harm at all. Now, all that says Susan Lee got
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  Speaker 2: a first warning of trouble here on Sky News just
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  Speaker 2: an hour and a half ago when Chris Kenny talked
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  Speaker 2: to Senator just In damp jimp for Price. Now, as
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  Speaker 2: I said, Price had been running to be the deputy
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  Speaker 2: leader to Angus Taylor on a Conservative ticket for the
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  Speaker 2: leadership until Taylor lost the leadership vote and she pulled out.
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  Speaker 5: She might have worked out that she didn't have.
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  Speaker 2: The numbers, but then she let Chris and Susan Lee
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  Speaker 2: know that she had her eye on the leadership position herself.
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  Speaker 5: Eventually.
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  Speaker 9: Will you stay in the Senate is that your home?
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  Speaker 9: Or will you look for opportunities to get to the
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  Speaker 9: Lower House at some stage?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 10: Look, you know the Senate is where the biggest battles
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  Speaker 10: are going to be fought right now, and I'm geared
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  Speaker 10: up for those.
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  Speaker 1: Battles, never switching to the lower House.
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  Speaker 10: Look, the Senate is where I'm focused.
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  Speaker 9: David Littlpratt was talking about the Nationals not being able
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  Speaker 9: to give you the sort of the ambitions, settle the
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  Speaker 9: ambitions that you might have. I mean, but you can
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  Speaker 9: get to the top of the Nationals and be deputy
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  Speaker 9: prime minister. The only job higher than that is Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 9: And to beg prime minister, of course she need to
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  Speaker 9: go to the lower House.
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  Speaker 10: Well there is that, you know, and I know there's
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  Speaker 10: a lot of Australians who'd love to see that.
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  Speaker 2: That's an unhelpful thing to say, really when unity is needed.
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  Speaker 2: And what's more, she actually made pretty clear she wanted
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  Speaker 2: the Liberals to keep backing nuclear power. They maybe ditch
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  Speaker 2: their target of cutting missions in at zero, but twenty.
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  Speaker 10: Fifty there's going to be some robust debate round energy
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  Speaker 10: around nuclear. I think there are those of us who
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  Speaker 10: are absolutely of the view that we need to stick
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  Speaker 10: to nuclear it's the cleanest, greenest energy that we have.
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  Speaker 9: Or does that means sticking to net zero because of
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  Speaker 9: the whole basis for going nuclear as to get to
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  Speaker 9: net zero.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, Look, I think we need to have all those
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  Speaker 10: conversations on the table as part of a party room conversation.
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  Speaker 9: Will the party unify our behind Susan Lee?
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  Speaker 10: Well, I guess that is the hope.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a problem right there immediately for Susan Lee
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  Speaker 2: joining me is made regular Tuesday, guess National Senator Met
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  Speaker 2: Canavan the former Resources minister, and I should add Met
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  Speaker 2: also ran for the Nationals leadership yesterday, never expected to win,
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  Speaker 2: but he did want to make it crystal clear the
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  Speaker 2: Nationals had to back off the net zero target and
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  Speaker 2: not go laybor light on unreliable green energy, and in
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  Speaker 2: that he sure succeeded. Matt Canavan, great to see you again.
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  Speaker 2: It also seems you might have succeeded in getting Susan Lee.
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  Speaker 2: Then you Liberal leader to back off a bit herself
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  Speaker 2: from that zero to avoid a split with your National's party.
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  Speaker 2: How did you read her comments today?
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  Speaker 11: Well, look, it's mission accomplished for me, Andrew, as you say,
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  Speaker 11: I gave myself for pretty long odds to win the leadership.
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  Speaker 11: Coming from the Senate was quite the handicap. And for
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  Speaker 11: me it's always not been about who leads the party.
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  Speaker 11: I genuinely care about what we're fighting for and how
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  Speaker 11: we take up that fight on behalf of the Australian people.
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  Speaker 11: I've said ever since this crazy, insane idea of NED
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  Speaker 11: zero missions by twenty fifty had been proposed, it was
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  Speaker 11: just absurd at first. I mean everybody in the Coalitions
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  Speaker 11: called it absurd at the time it first sort of
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  Speaker 11: popped up about six or seven years ago, and then
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  Speaker 11: when we signed up to it in Glasgow, I just
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  Speaker 11: couldn't believe it. We didn't do proper planning on it,
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  Speaker 11: there was no proper costing on it, and we just
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  Speaker 11: signed up to this rubbish and it's been now a
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  Speaker 11: handbreak on the Australian economy for the last three years.
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  Speaker 11: Over those three years, we've lost we've lost our urear industry,
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  Speaker 11: it's the most important fertilizer. We've lost our plastics industry,
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  Speaker 11: we've lost our nickel industry without two fuel refineries, we
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  Speaker 11: our last one of our last two steel mills is
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  Speaker 11: on life support and only be saved with massive taxpayer bailouts.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, we just can't keep de industrializing the country
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  Speaker 11: like this, particularly at a time like now. We should
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  Speaker 11: be investing in our industrial capacity so that we are
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  Speaker 11: a country that can defend itself. And so I've just
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  Speaker 11: wanted to call this out for a long time. I
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  Speaker 11: suppose controlled myself a bit over the past year, Andrew
• 15:41
  Speaker 11: trying to hope that we would win the election. But
• 15:43
  Speaker 11: I suppose I've got all that pent up frustration right
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  Speaker 11: now because I think this Australia is being dudded with
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  Speaker 11: its obsession to net zero emissions. It's costing us a fortune,
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  Speaker 11: and the sooner we get off this, the better it
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  Speaker 11: will be for our whole country.
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  Speaker 2: So how realism threatened the national splitting from the Liberals
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  Speaker 2: on this issue. You can't go in a coalition to
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  Speaker 2: an election with one group saying net zero and the
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  Speaker 2: other group saying no. It's such a fundamental divide.
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  Speaker 11: Hard for me to say, Andrew in terms of that,
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  Speaker 11: because I don't exactly know where it will fall in
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  Speaker 11: our party I don't know where it'll fall the Liberals Party.
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  Speaker 11: There have been other models of a relationship between the
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  Speaker 11: Liberal and National parties at the state level, where there
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  Speaker 11: are policy disagreements, there's still cooperation at times, So you know,
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  Speaker 11: it's not just black and white in that regard in
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  Speaker 11: terms of the agreement between the parties. But look, what
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  Speaker 11: I'm focused on right now is having that debate. I'm
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  Speaker 11: very glad that both and congratulations to both David Little
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  Speaker 11: Proud and Susan Lay for being elected leaders of these
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  Speaker 11: two great parties. I'm very glad that both of them
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  Speaker 11: have said, look, we're open to considering dumping that zero's
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  Speaker 11: a policy. I mean, as policy hasn't worked for us electorally.
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  Speaker 11: That was I suppose the promise we were given we
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  Speaker 11: had to sign up to it so we could win. Well,
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  Speaker 11: that didn't work. So what have we got to now,
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  Speaker 11: Let's have a crack and actually fight for what we
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  Speaker 11: believe and get rid of this stuff. So to all
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  Speaker 11: those Liberal and National members out there and supporters out there,
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  Speaker 11: contact your local MP now, maybe join up, join up
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  Speaker 11: to the Nationals Party. We're having this debate, have it.
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  Speaker 11: Join up and get involved and have your say and
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  Speaker 11: tell your elected representatives that they should be there to
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  Speaker 11: represent you, they should be there to fight for you.
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  Speaker 11: Because I know so many Lebel and National supporters are
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  Speaker 11: sick of this, rubb, You're sick of towing the line
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  Speaker 11: to these woke left, insane policies. Why don't we just
• 17:29
  Speaker 11: stand up and fight. It's a lot more fun when
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  Speaker 11: you do that, And I reckon, you've got a lot
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  Speaker 11: more chance with conviction and politics of being successful too.
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  Speaker 2: Listening to Susan Lee today in a first press conference,
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  Speaker 2: what did you make of what she said? Were the
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  Speaker 2: things that alarmed you a bit, things that reassured you?
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  Speaker 2: What did you take out of it?
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  Speaker 11: Look, I actually didn't get to see much of it, sorry,
• 17:57
  Speaker 11: or being on a plane and then I've been given
• 18:00
  Speaker 11: the dad duties of taking kids to soccer training, basketball
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  Speaker 11: games and the like, and I haven't seen it.
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  Speaker 7: All.
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  Speaker 11: I probably i've heard is what you've just played there
• 18:09
  Speaker 11: in your show. And Look, I think a lot of
• 18:11
  Speaker 11: that sounded sounded pretty good from Susan I wish her
• 18:15
  Speaker 11: all the best. Look, it's going to be a long
• 18:17
  Speaker 11: road now to the next election. I think the number
• 18:20
  Speaker 11: one focus is we first sit down Listen to out
• 18:24
  Speaker 11: the people. Listen to the whole Australian people, but especially
• 18:27
  Speaker 11: our members and supporters. They're hurting right now. Listen to them.
• 18:30
  Speaker 11: Work out what we're going to fight for at the
• 18:32
  Speaker 11: next election, and then just fight like hell.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Now, Matt Canavan, the Australian Financial Review look to me
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: it seems to have gone more and more left wing.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Odd for a business magazine paper since Michael Stutchbury quit
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: is editor in chief. Yesterday it had an ill informed
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: editorial attacking Sky News. Today the paper ran this cartoon
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: of you as some coal hitting Truglot act and attacked
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: what it calls your anti nit zero populism and so
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: the Liberals needed to move on from nuclear to a
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: more rational approach to the so called energy transition, by
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: which it actually means Labour's plan for wind and solar
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: power backed by batteries and gas fire plants.
• 19:15
  Speaker 11: Your response, well, Ook, that's actually one of my favorite cartoons, Andrew.
• 19:21
  Speaker 11: That's actually an old one, I think. So it might
• 19:23
  Speaker 11: have been under Startch's regime that one published. They've republished
• 19:26
  Speaker 11: it today, but they had a massive screed, massive hit
• 19:29
  Speaker 11: at the Nationals Party today, So feel yourself in in
• 19:32
  Speaker 11: good company. You were hit yesterday, we're hit today, and
• 19:35
  Speaker 11: I've got a response to it's already up online, So
• 19:37
  Speaker 11: I'll give the AFI credit for publishing that, and you
• 19:39
  Speaker 11: can find it on my x feed if you'd like
• 19:41
  Speaker 11: to read it. And look, I just worry here that
• 19:46
  Speaker 11: perhaps the biggest problem we've got in our country is
• 19:49
  Speaker 11: that anybody that suggests that maybe we should do something
• 19:53
  Speaker 11: a bit different is instantaneously berated as some kind of
• 19:57
  Speaker 11: fool when hang on, We've just had productivity declined by
• 20:01
  Speaker 11: five point seven percent in the first turn of the
• 20:04
  Speaker 11: Albanezi government. So we've had a government bond rates grow
• 20:08
  Speaker 11: by five times, five times, and we're at risk of
• 20:10
  Speaker 11: losing our triple A credit rating. Our real wages have
• 20:14
  Speaker 11: gone back a decade. People are our earning the same
• 20:17
  Speaker 11: amount in real terms as they did more than ten
• 20:19
  Speaker 11: years ago. Maybe it's time to think about what are
• 20:22
  Speaker 11: the changes we need to get going again, get this
• 20:25
  Speaker 11: country to be a lucky country again. And when you
• 20:28
  Speaker 11: read the AFI editorials, it's like it's like they seem
• 20:31
  Speaker 11: to suggest that, look, all we need to do, Andrew,
• 20:33
  Speaker 11: is just do another AFI Energy summit. Let's just have
• 20:36
  Speaker 11: another CSIRO report. Or maybe we just have another conversation
• 20:40
  Speaker 11: about tax reform in some vague and academic fashion and
• 20:44
  Speaker 11: that will fix everything.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, how is that?
• 20:46
  Speaker 11: How are any of those points going to save the
• 20:48
  Speaker 11: five hundred jobs we look like we're going to lose
• 20:51
  Speaker 11: now at the DNA Noble feralizer plant near man Isa,
• 20:55
  Speaker 11: five hundred jobs.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: Down the DRAINA. You're talking about guys in the sound.
• 20:59
  Speaker 11: Through the roof and the country, and we were told
• 21:01
  Speaker 11: net zero was going to reduce them.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Well, apparently the answer, Mat Canavan is to do even
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: more of the same that's got us into this pickle.
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: So you figure that one out. Mt. Canavan, Thank you
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: so much for your time.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: After the break, the Albanize government won the election without
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: any plan to fix our energy crisis.
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: Just a week and a bit later.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: We have another crucial factory facing collapse. I'll say it again,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: the Albanize government actually won the election with lies and
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: bribes and no fix for the big crises we face,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: like the huge debt, like our shocking productivity out of
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: controlled immigration, unaffordable house prices for the young, and our
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: energy debarkle, rising prices, falling reliability. And sure enough, just
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: a week or so after the election, US that a
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: big fertilizer plant in Queensland could now be shut unless
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: a buyer is found, five hundred jobs at risk.
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: It's the Dino.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Noble plant at Phosphate Hill, about one hundred and forty
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: kilometers from Mount Isa, facing closure because of high gas prices,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: because making fertilizer takes a lot of gas, and this
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: spells trouble. Of course, because Australia is a massive farming country.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: We need fertilizer but already must import seventy five percent
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: of it, and if our imports are cut off or disrupted,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: we are in grave trouble. As we saw three years
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: ago in China and Russia restricted fertilizer exports for so
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: much for the Abaneze government's future made in Australia, the
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: factories can't even get cheap power to compete. Already we've
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: seen other companies shut because of exactly that. A list
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: in part last year. Queen Off's, our biggest manufacturer of
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: plastics and chemicals shut seven hundred jobs gone three months ago.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Australia's only architectural glass manufacturer, Oceana Air Glass, also said
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: it was shutting gas prices too high, our biggest explosive
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: manufacturer saying it should invest overseas instead because high gas
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: prices killing its business. Here joining me is so Cavonic,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: head of energy research at MST. Marquee. So, thank you
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: so much for your time. Now, this fertilizer plant in trouble.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: How serious is this energy crisis?
• 23:12
  Speaker 12: Well, as you highlighted, it's just another dominoes that's falling
• 23:17
  Speaker 12: in our manufacturing base. And it's now a few thousand
• 23:20
  Speaker 12: blue collar jobs that have been lost in those high
• 23:22
  Speaker 12: profile closures you've mentioned, including Queenos Osiana Glass over the
• 23:28
  Speaker 12: last eighteen months. What's actually more worrying is these are
• 23:32
  Speaker 12: only the plants closing that are making the headlines. What
• 23:36
  Speaker 12: we're seeing are hundreds of other smaller manufacturing facilities around
• 23:40
  Speaker 12: the country shutting down, and those blue collar jobs are
• 23:43
  Speaker 12: dying in silence, and very often it is a rock
• 23:48
  Speaker 12: of a regional community where you're seeing that manufacturing plant
• 23:51
  Speaker 12: actually being sustaining an entire regional center. So that's actually,
• 23:57
  Speaker 12: you know, it's not the headline that we've seen here,
• 23:59
  Speaker 12: that's just the t with the iceberg of what we're
• 24:01
  Speaker 12: seeing a kind of layer below that, and you need
• 24:04
  Speaker 12: to remember, while the overall jobs data doesn't necessarily indicate
• 24:09
  Speaker 12: that the trajectory is so bad, here, it's not showing
• 24:15
  Speaker 12: the full picture because these jobs that are being lost
• 24:17
  Speaker 12: are relatively very high paid, very strong conditions, very supportive
• 24:22
  Speaker 12: of regional communities jobs. And what they're being replaced with
• 24:26
  Speaker 12: is even within the blue collar sector low. We're paying
• 24:28
  Speaker 12: jobs with much worse conditions, transient and casual jobs in
• 24:32
  Speaker 12: the renewable sector. And so it is a big hit
• 24:35
  Speaker 12: to blue collar workers. And as you say, there's no
• 24:38
  Speaker 12: point having a future made in Australia manufacturing policy if
• 24:42
  Speaker 12: we can't keep our existing manufacturing sustained today.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: So I saw that Chris Bone was retained in the
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: reshuffle as Energy and Climate Change Minister. How much of
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: this it's all happened under his watch, But how much
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: such of it is his fault.
• 25:02
  Speaker 12: It's almost entirely his fault. So if you look at
• 25:05
  Speaker 12: what happens is twenty twenty two, the reason we have
• 25:08
  Speaker 12: gas prices as high as they are, and they've disconnected
• 25:10
  Speaker 12: from international prices right is because of the policies that
• 25:15
  Speaker 12: Chris Bowen let it introduced, including the gas price cap policy.
• 25:17
  Speaker 12: The end of twenty twenty two, where now Labor touts
• 25:20
  Speaker 12: a success that they've secured less gas for the domestic
• 25:23
  Speaker 12: market than otherwise is going to be produced before their
• 25:25
  Speaker 12: policies were implemented. So their twelve dollars price cap has
• 25:28
  Speaker 12: now become a price floor. Prices of contracts seen sustainably
• 25:32
  Speaker 12: above that and offered very high levels above that, and
• 25:35
  Speaker 12: that's what's killing projects like this. We've also, you know,
• 25:38
  Speaker 12: we've seen delays due to approvals also in Queensland, Northern
• 25:41
  Speaker 12: Territory and the South States. Thankfully, Plibustek has been moved
• 25:45
  Speaker 12: on from her portfolio and replaced with some center at
• 25:48
  Speaker 12: least who's from Queensland, so it will be a little
• 25:50
  Speaker 12: bit prop pragmatic, but that's a very low bar to
• 25:53
  Speaker 12: improve from. There was a lot of hope that Chris
• 25:55
  Speaker 12: Bowen would be moved on from his portfolio so we
• 25:58
  Speaker 12: can have a more collaborative and pragmatic approach to our
• 26:02
  Speaker 12: energy market and approvals. Unfortunately he's staying in that. We
• 26:05
  Speaker 12: can only hope that it's been talented he could be
• 26:08
  Speaker 12: considered for the COP presidency and if in the next
• 26:10
  Speaker 12: year he could move over to the COP presidency and
• 26:12
  Speaker 12: start making a mess of the COP process instead of
• 26:15
  Speaker 12: making a mess of our energy market. That could be
• 26:17
  Speaker 12: a real win win for Australia's economy.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the COP processes are those global warming conferences hell
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: by the United Nations in pleasure spots around the world,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: plus Azerbayan, which is not quite a pleasure spot. This election,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Australia has voted against the party that was promising nuclear power,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: the coalition. Obviously, should that mean that people have spoken
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: no to nuclear ever and we should keep meddling muddling
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: on this way.
• 26:47
  Speaker 12: I think what's really important is we stop being a
• 26:50
  Speaker 12: country that just stops things and says no to things.
• 26:53
  Speaker 12: We need to start saying yes to things. We need
• 26:55
  Speaker 12: yes to all forms of energy technology. We need to
• 26:58
  Speaker 12: regain our competitive rateergy and energy, which is the cornerstone
• 27:02
  Speaker 12: of our highest standard of living compared to the rest
• 27:04
  Speaker 12: of the world. And you know it might be worth
• 27:07
  Speaker 12: highlighting Andrew. You'll recall, only three months before the election,
• 27:11
  Speaker 12: after a principled long term stand during his opposition term
• 27:16
  Speaker 12: on nuclear all the polls and the betting odds were
• 27:19
  Speaker 12: in favor.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: Of the Coalition.
• 27:21
  Speaker 12: What it didn't present was a near term solution for
• 27:24
  Speaker 12: some of you know, those manufacturing jobs for example, that
• 27:26
  Speaker 12: we've talked about and what we saw towards as we
• 27:29
  Speaker 12: headed into that end part of the election and the
• 27:31
  Speaker 12: coalition's election campaign. That's when they announced things like the
• 27:35
  Speaker 12: gas reservation policy, which was simply a labor like anti markets,
• 27:41
  Speaker 12: you know, on the fly policy announcement, and that's when
• 27:43
  Speaker 12: everything started collapsing for the coalition. So you know, I
• 27:47
  Speaker 12: think you could make a pretty strong case to say
• 27:50
  Speaker 12: long term, positive future for all energy sources, not ruling
• 27:53
  Speaker 12: out any technology, including nuclear, and going back to a
• 27:56
  Speaker 12: pro market, pro business Australia winning against strategy is what
• 28:00
  Speaker 12: we need for energy market and probably what we need
• 28:03
  Speaker 12: across the political landscape in general.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: Soul Kevinick, thank you so much indeed for your time.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: Really appreciate it.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: After the break, Donald Trump flies to the Middle East.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: In fact, he is there already and meeting various people
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: glading doing the glad hand business. And he'll also later
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: in the trip to thank the regime which just offered
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: him a six hundred million dollar bribe, or at least
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: that has how it's being seen. We'll take you to
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: some live pictures of Donald Trump and Saudi Arabi on
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: his visit there, shaking hands with people, being welcome by
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: the Saudi military and other dignitaries. The mantu has left
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: is the Crown Prince, who is say widely believed to
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: be responsible for ordering the arrest and dismembering of Jamal
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Kashagi in the Saudi embassy in a consulate in Turkey.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: So that's the kind of company being kept there.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump has gone to the Middle East to deepened
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: tars with Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: and Katari hopes to celebrate with the family of Eden
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Alexander after Hamas Teris and Garza freed him, freed this
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: last American hostage that have held since the October seven
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: massacre five hundred and eighty four days ago ah Diagon.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Now Trump will also be having talks about ending that
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: war in Gaza and making an accord between Israel and
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: the Saudis, which was on the cards for a while.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: So that's one picture. This is Donald Trump working for freedom.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: There's also another picture, one of bluster and large failure
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: in foreign affairs. Trump promised to quickly end the wars
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: in Ukraine and Gaza, but it sees far plans for
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: both wars have failed. It's true that Alexander has just
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: been released, but Hamas still holds the bodies of four
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: other American Israelis, plus a lot of Israelis themselves, and
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: it gets murkier. Alexander's actually expected to fly to Katar
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: with his family to thank Trump personally for its release,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: and Trump has thanked Katar in turn for helping with that.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: But Katara is also the Trump ally that hosts the
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: leadership of Hamas, which kidnapped Alexander, and Katar is now
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: giving Trump a six hundred million dollar present, a presidential
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: jet to replace his aging Air Force one, and that
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: is a personal gift. Something stinks, but Trump says this
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: gift is a no brainer.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: If you look at some of the Arab countries and
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: the plans AHA parked alongside of the United States of
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: America plan, it's like from a different planet and it's
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: close to forty years up. If we can get a
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: seven forty seven as a contribution to our defense department
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: to use during a couple of years while they're building
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: the other ones, I think that was a very nice gesture.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: Now I could be a stupid person to say, oh, no,
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: we don't want a free plane.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: We get free things that we'll take one too.
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: On a short while ago.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: But Sean Spicer, Donald Trump's first White House spokesman, Sean Spicser,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: thank you for your time. What is President Trump having
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: to achieve in this visit to the Middle East?
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: But I think first and foremost what we like to
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: call foreign direct investment.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: There are rumors that we could.
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: See up boards of a trillion dollars of investment in
• 31:42
  Speaker 7: the United States.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: I was there with.
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: Him on that last term when he took that trip
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: to Saudi, and we walked away with several companies making
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: serious investments in the United States, buying our military equipment,
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: making investments in other manufacturing and technological advances. So when
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: you go on a trip like this, Andrew, the staff
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: has what we like to call deliverables. That means that
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: they have pre negotiated with the countries that you're going
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: to visit what they hope to accomplish. So in the
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: case of the last time we had this terrorism center
• 32:15
  Speaker 7: in Saudi, that was a big announcement. And so there's
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: things that they will announce in each host country. And
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: my guess is that you'll have some peace agreements, you'll
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: have some investments. But the President obviously chose to go
• 32:28
  Speaker 7: visit this area of the world again because he feels
• 32:32
  Speaker 7: as though there's going to be significant progress made that
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: will benefit the United States. So I think, first and
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: foremost massive amounts of US investment that will be announced
• 32:42
  Speaker 7: over the course of the trip.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: And of course, Saudi Arabia has got a big influence
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: on the world oil price depending on how much it
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: agrees to release or not, and it's given Donald Trump
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: a big favor by pushing downwards the prices, so that's
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: been great. The hostage, Eaden Alexander, what did Donald Trump
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: offer an exchange to Hamas for his release?
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: That's a great question.
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: My guess is that it was I'm not going to
• 33:13
  Speaker 7: destroy you guys right now, as you know Prime Minister Netanyah,
• 33:17
  Speaker 7: who I think is looking for a green light to
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: go in and just destroy Hamas. My guess, and I
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: don't know this to be fact. Just to be clear
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: to your viewers, is I have a feeling that that
• 33:29
  Speaker 7: last American was, hey, can you buy us some time? Because,
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: as you know, net and Yahoo, I think is chomping
• 33:35
  Speaker 7: at the bit to make this thing happen. Regardless, I
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: think at the end of the day, he keeps showing,
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: you know, you think about these hostages.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: And prisoners that were in Russia.
• 33:46
  Speaker 7: Now the last American under Hamas, Donald Trump gets credit
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: for bringing them all home, and he, you know, he
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: did this during his first term, he's doing it now.
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: I think sometimes the pace of what's happening Andrew makes
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: us forget that. You had the hostage in Anderson released,
• 34:03
  Speaker 7: you had the Ukraine Russia discussion happening about these talks
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: in Turkey. You had Pakistan and India come to a ceasefire.
• 34:12
  Speaker 7: You had our big trade deal with China discussed. You
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: had Donald Trump make a huge, huge monumental announcement about
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: prescription drug prices here in America, and then movement forward
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: on our internal discussion on tax reform, all in a
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: forty eight hour period.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: And I just chuckle every once in a while. And
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: I think I didn't finish half of the list that
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I had for.
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: The weekend, and it had to do with like meaningless
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: chores around my house. And that's what he did between
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: Friday Monday morning.
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: Meanwhile, though the airplane, I don't know why.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: He spoils his record with things that could, you know,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: really controversial like this. Why would Katar give Donald Trump
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: this six hundred million dollars Australian Australian dollars six hundred
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: million prison and why would Trump accept it?
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: Well, as he said earlier today, why wouldn't I accept it?
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: Somebody's going to be a four hundred million dollar US plane?
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: What are you going to say?
• 35:08
  Speaker 10: No?
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: I think part of it is Boeing couldn't deliver.
• 35:11
  Speaker 7: I was there on the first term when we made
• 35:13
  Speaker 7: a deal for the new Boeing retrofitted Air Force ones.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: They couldn't deliver on time.
• 35:19
  Speaker 7: Qatar offered up this retrofitted seven forty seven Boeing plane.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I think part of it is because he's a deal maker,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Why would you not take it?
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: Look, I think anybody who knows Donald Trump knows that
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: you know, you're probably not going to get much for it.
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: I think the Kutari's probably get a little bit more
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: attention on the trip, but he would be foolish not
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: to accept it.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know if Joe Biden accepted it. I think
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: the Republicans that have plenty to say Trump have plenty
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: to sell they would, but.
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: I think absolutely, but I would question whether he actually
• 35:49
  Speaker 7: knew what he was doing. I mean, look, the whole
• 35:52
  Speaker 7: issue in four years of Joe Biden is who was
• 35:54
  Speaker 7: whose hand was on the on the tiller, right? I mean,
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: that was the bigger issue. There's no question who's running
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: this country. Who's in charge. Donald Trump is leading the way,
• 36:03
  Speaker 7: and no one doubts that.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: There's a big difference.
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: You can question whether or not he should over he shouldn't,
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: but at the end of the day, no one is
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: questioning who the leader of this country is and who
• 36:12
  Speaker 7: is the ultimate deal maker when it comes to the
• 36:15
  Speaker 7: trade and other deals that this country's faced with.
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: I know I'm with you on that.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: The tariff, for you mentioned, Donald Trump is claiming a
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: breakthrough in a crisis. He actually started with his tariff wars,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: really hiking tariff's to what one hundred and forty five
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: percent on China.
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: China responded.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Now they've agreed to a ninety day pause and the
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: tariffs have imposed on each other. The US is going
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: to drop it's tariff in China to thirty percent, China's
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: agreed to low its rate and US goods to ten percent.
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: What has been the gain in the end.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Well, a couple things.
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  Speaker 7: Number One, I think we got some concessions on addressing fatanyl,
• 36:52
  Speaker 7: which is killing a lot of Americans. I think China
• 36:54
  Speaker 7: has had its head in the sand when it comes
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: to acknowledging its role and putting fatanyl into to the
• 36:59
  Speaker 7: community throughout America.
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  Speaker 1: So that's big.
• 37:02
  Speaker 7: Number two is I think it got him to the table.
• 37:04
  Speaker 7: It recognized that Donald Trump was seriously and it exposed,
• 37:07
  Speaker 7: in my mind thread there the reality of what's going
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: on in China. Right for so long, everybody said, well,
• 37:13
  Speaker 7: China's basically a dictatorship. Shiji Ping can do whatever he wants.
• 37:17
  Speaker 7: He's got less to lose than Donald Trump because he
• 37:19
  Speaker 7: can exact a lot of pain on his people. And
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: what we saw was that they don't have that far
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: to go. Their markets dried up, they weren't exporting much,
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: and it showed that there's actually a lot less there,
• 37:30
  Speaker 7: sort of like I don't know how familiar the folks
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: in Australia are with the movie The Wizard of Oz,
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: but you know, the curtain got pulled back and you
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: realized they weren't as tough as some people thought they
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: might be.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think China was actually redirecting quite a bit
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: of the exports to other countries. But yes, they're in
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: a more fragile state than a lot of people recognize.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: But I guess we'll see what the final deal is.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Showan Spice is great to talk to you. Thank you
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: so much.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: You met Andrew.
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: After the break A labor own minister now attacks mass immigration,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: saying as driving people apart, turning Britain into a land
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: of strangers. How long before our own labor prime minister
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: dares say the same here. To return to what will
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: be a theme this year, massive problems the Albanizi government
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: ignored in the election campaign and that are still there
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: this one, the unbelievably high number of immigrants. It's important
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: to sugar up the budget, even though that's causing huge
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: pressure on our cities and housing prices. You just compare
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: the skyline of Melbourne, our fastest growing city, compared how
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: it looked at the start of this century with how
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: it looked just twenty years later, and still there's not
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: enough housing. Plus there's massive road projects to deal with
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: this explosion in population. Billions of dollars now over budget
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: with the state going broke? Now, wonder we're choking on
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: this immigration are the I mean you compare Australia's population
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: growth to the rest of the world's and you see
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: that ours is off the charts. The stray Bureau of Statistics
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: projecting megacities here by twenty seventy one a Melbourne nine
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: and a half million people, Sydney eight and a half million,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Brisbane well.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: Over four million.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Does anyone really want all that crowding the tony houses,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: us becoming a land of people who increasingly share no history.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: But as we saw on the election campaign, you talk
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: about cutting immigration and labor, the Greens and ethnic groups,
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: they're going to slam you as racist, as anti migrant,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: as far right.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: This is from the SPS.
• 39:32
  Speaker 13: Stop blaming migrants for a problem that they didn't cause.
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: Multiculturalism appeers under threat.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: All parties have concerning rhetoric regarding immigration.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: But as I said last night, Britain's Labor government note
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: labor government now realizes very high immigration is a problem,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: particularly to the poor, and it's not right wing to
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: say so. Just listen to this remarkable statement by British
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister the Keerstarmer on Monday and as to yourself,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: if any labor politician in Canberra would even dare say
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: the same here, And remember Britain actually lives in fewer
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: immigrants per capita than we do.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: Nations depend on rules, fair rules. Sometimes they're written down,
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: often they're not.
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: But either way.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: They give shape to our values, guide us towards our rights,
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: of course, but also our responsibilities, the obligations we owe
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: to each other now in a diverse nation like ours,
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: and I celebrate that these rules become even more important.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Without them, we risk becoming an island of strangers, not
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: a nation that walks forward together.
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: Join mister the Pennel.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Will Kingston, hosts of Fire at Will, the podcast from
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: the Spectator, and Politics and Culture and scar News host
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: and crowd favourite Carolina Russo will lay the government but
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: in Britain, not here saying mass immigration is a threat
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: to diverse nation, that it pulls countries apart, makes people
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: strangers to each other.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: I mean that is extraordinary.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: It is extraordinary.
• 41:14
  Speaker 14: Andrew and the Dutton opposition did say that we should
• 41:19
  Speaker 14: cut immigration, but did they really argue for it? Did
• 41:23
  Speaker 14: they say that multiculturalism has failed in Australia like it
• 41:27
  Speaker 14: has in the UK, which it clearly has. No, they didn't.
• 41:30
  Speaker 14: Did they say that immigration from fundamentalist Islamic countries is
• 41:34
  Speaker 14: a terrifying threat to this country as it is in
• 41:37
  Speaker 14: the UK. No, Dutton did not. Did Dutton say in
• 41:41
  Speaker 14: the Liberal Party that we are at risk as a
• 41:44
  Speaker 14: country of becoming divided into a series of ethnic enclaves
• 41:48
  Speaker 14: which are dictated by the norms of the countries from
• 41:53
  Speaker 14: the people that are in those enclothes. Many of those
• 41:56
  Speaker 14: norms are antithetical to Western liberal democracy. No, he did not.
• 42:02
  Speaker 14: This is yet another example where the Liberal Party put
• 42:05
  Speaker 14: their toes into the water and then pulled back. This
• 42:07
  Speaker 14: isn't a story of a labor government in the UK
• 42:11
  Speaker 14: that suddenly found some courage. It's a story of a
• 42:14
  Speaker 14: center right opposition being Theferrage Reform Party that actually pushed
• 42:21
  Speaker 14: Keir Starmer in a sensible direction to say that the
• 42:24
  Speaker 14: people will not tolerate this anymore. And this is the
• 42:28
  Speaker 14: lesson for sensible conservatives in Australia to say that you
• 42:31
  Speaker 14: need to have some backbone to actually make this argument. Now,
• 42:35
  Speaker 14: after the Liberal leadership that we've seen today, I remain
• 42:39
  Speaker 14: unconvinced that we will hear that, But this is a
• 42:41
  Speaker 14: story not about labor people finding courage. This is a
• 42:44
  Speaker 14: story about how sensible conservatives can push left wing people
• 42:48
  Speaker 14: to actually move in the right direction.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: I would say that if the left don't deal with
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: problems like this, and we've seen this exactly in Germany,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: with real problems like this it's too ugly, too hard
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: to sensitive, then people they don't like will take that
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: same issue and deal with it in ways they may
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: not like. So reality is really essential. But Caroline, I'm
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: hearing Will But then when I hear him say what
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: the liberals should have done? Saying yeah, yeah, but I
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: know that Peter Dutton would have been kicked to pieces
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: by the media had he done half of that. And
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: isn't that part of the problem too. It's not just
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: the liberals, it's the space they're allowed by the media.
• 43:32
  Speaker 13: Well, there's a few parts to it, not you know,
• 43:35
  Speaker 13: just listening to Adam Bant's comments there and look one
• 43:38
  Speaker 13: of the you know, I don't think there's too many
• 43:41
  Speaker 13: people crying over the fact that he's no longer in
• 43:43
  Speaker 13: Federal Parliament. But no one has ever blamed the migrants.
• 43:48
  Speaker 13: This is not a failure of migrants or people wanting
• 43:50
  Speaker 13: to come to this country. My family migrated to this
• 43:53
  Speaker 13: country and they wanted to come here, and.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: So did yours.
• 43:56
  Speaker 13: So no one's blaming the migrants. That narrative is actually
• 44:00
  Speaker 13: incredibly damaging. The issue is is how do we how
• 44:06
  Speaker 13: do we manage our immigration policy so that you've got
• 44:11
  Speaker 13: a structure that's in place that allows people with the
• 44:15
  Speaker 13: right skill sets or people with values that are similar
• 44:19
  Speaker 13: to ours here in Australia to come in in a
• 44:21
  Speaker 13: way that is measured and considered so that our infrastructure
• 44:26
  Speaker 13: can cope. Because like you showed that picture of the
• 44:28
  Speaker 13: skyline in Melbourne, and that's obviously a huge number of
• 44:33
  Speaker 13: buildings that have gone up in a twenty year period,
• 44:35
  Speaker 13: which is a really short period of time, but you're
• 44:38
  Speaker 13: talking about a CBD. We also got to start looking
• 44:41
  Speaker 13: at the outer suburbs and the infrastructure that goes into
• 44:44
  Speaker 13: the outer suburbs, which is often where migrants go to live.
• 44:48
  Speaker 13: So it's a multi pronged issue here. There is not
• 44:52
  Speaker 13: one answer, but the fact that even the media allows
• 44:56
  Speaker 13: someone like Adam Bant to get away with saying, oh, well,
• 44:59
  Speaker 13: they're blaming the mind nagrance or that somehow that there
• 45:03
  Speaker 13: is something that's acceptable to say and isn't pushed back on.
• 45:07
  Speaker 13: I think that's really quite appalling, because no one ever
• 45:09
  Speaker 13: said that.
• 45:10
  Speaker 14: Andrew and I can I pick up here because Andrew
• 45:13
  Speaker 14: can I pick up here because I didn't hear John
• 45:16
  Speaker 14: Howard winging about Kerry O'Brien at the ABC when apparently
• 45:20
  Speaker 14: carry O'Brien had views that were disagreeable to him. I
• 45:23
  Speaker 14: didn't hear Tony Abbott winging about the media much. I
• 45:25
  Speaker 14: certainly don't hear about Donald Trump winging about the media.
• 45:28
  Speaker 14: I think this is a cop out to say that
• 45:30
  Speaker 14: center right or conservative politicians don't have an avenue to
• 45:34
  Speaker 14: be able to make their case. I don't think we
• 45:36
  Speaker 14: have good enough cent to right politicians to be able
• 45:38
  Speaker 14: to make a case against a liberal leftist media, which
• 45:41
  Speaker 14: has always been a liberal leftist media since time immemorium.
• 45:45
  Speaker 14: We need better, stronger, more courageous politicians. I don't think
• 45:49
  Speaker 14: the argument is, well, you know, kind of the ABC
• 45:52
  Speaker 14: isn't giving.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Us a fair go.
• 45:53
  Speaker 14: They've never given us a fair go, and we need
• 45:55
  Speaker 14: to find better politicians to be able to make a
• 45:57
  Speaker 14: better argument against them.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: There's a lot in that, although I must point out
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: that Donald Trump does complain a lot about the mediape media,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: lying media, this media, whatever. This morning, Caroline Governor General
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Sam Moston. She's a friend of the Prime Minister Anthony Albaneze.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: He's got long close ties to labor, lots of labor friends.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: She swore in Anthony Albanese's new ministers and then took
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: a selfie of herself with them all like she was
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: a bit of a fan girl or they were all
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: friends together at a moment she wanted to celebrate and
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: capture in a photo album. Is this actually inappropriate for
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: a Governor General who is meant to be a political.
• 46:40
  Speaker 13: I thought that was extraordinary this morning. And interestingly, I
• 46:44
  Speaker 13: did happen to have the TV on and Laura Jays
• 46:47
  Speaker 13: was with Andrew Clanell and Trudy and they were.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: All a little they were all a little shocked, all
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: a little.
• 46:53
  Speaker 13: Aghast that had actually happened. You know that there is
• 46:57
  Speaker 13: a really serious role. That is a really serious role,
• 47:00
  Speaker 13: and I thought that that level of informality, Like for
• 47:04
  Speaker 13: me personally, I think that there was inappropriate and probably
• 47:08
  Speaker 13: should have been avoided. But the simple fact of the
• 47:12
  Speaker 13: matter is is we're actually starting to see within our
• 47:14
  Speaker 13: institutions a lot of informality, and I think that that
• 47:18
  Speaker 13: there takes away in the long term from the gravitas
• 47:23
  Speaker 13: of them. And I just thought that that there was
• 47:26
  Speaker 13: a bit unnecessary this morning.
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: Well, I'd go further, Carolina.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: I think you put it well, but will the point
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: of the Governor General is in a constitutional crisis. If
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: she really really had to, she would sack the Prime
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Minister for a breach of you know, the constitution or whatever,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: if it really came to that.
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: We've seen it before.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Do you really see from that picture that she will
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: do that to Anthony Abernezi.
• 47:54
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I'd go further than informality. I'd say childish, and
• 47:57
  Speaker 14: I'd say mediocre, and I would send on what I
• 48:00
  Speaker 14: was saying before, Andrew. I think in Australia we are
• 48:02
  Speaker 14: accepting mediocrity. Alban Easy as a mediocrity. Everyone watching this
• 48:06
  Speaker 14: show knows it. I think in their heart of hearts,
• 48:07
  Speaker 14: everyone knew that Dutton was a mediocrity. I think we
• 48:10
  Speaker 14: are starting to just extept mediocre in this country and
• 48:13
  Speaker 14: the Covenant General should be the one person with the
• 48:16
  Speaker 14: gravitas as the King's representative in this country. I think
• 48:20
  Speaker 14: this is a small but important reminder for this country
• 48:23
  Speaker 14: that we need to start demanding better from our leaders,
• 48:27
  Speaker 14: because at the moment we're not, and as a result
• 48:29
  Speaker 14: of that, we're getting really really substandard people who are
• 48:33
  Speaker 14: leading us today.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Jaron Durasso, Will Kingson, Thank you very much to you both.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: That's it for me, coming up next to Nika di Giorgio.
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: Goodnight.