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Credlin | 22 April · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program. Great to have your
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Speaker 2: companies always. Here's what's coming up tonight. Today's decision to
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Speaker 2: suspend the election campaign due to the death of the Pope,
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Speaker 2: Reverence all Rank politics, I'll let you be the judge.
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Speaker 2: In a moment Labour once lampooned him as Captain Catholic,
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Speaker 2: didn't they well?
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Speaker 3: How the worms turned? Today? Former PM Toney.
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Speaker 2: Ava joins me to does gas Labour's preference deal with
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Speaker 2: the grand And those shocking revelations last night on Four
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Speaker 2: Corners about a former ASO spy undercover agent who's gone
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Speaker 2: public about jihadi cells operating in Australia and is now
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Speaker 2: in hiding. Plus the billboard battle that's blown up in
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Speaker 2: Kugyong as a fight up Publiclan claims the local council's
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Speaker 2: running a political hit job, demanding he remove a sign
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Speaker 2: that exposes the pro voting record of Manique Ryan, that
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Speaker 2: Hawthorne pub owner with Miss Shortley speaking of Couyong, Manick
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Speaker 2: Ryan well caught out today in another awkward exchange with
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Speaker 2: the media, this time my Sky News colleague Laura jays
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Speaker 2: Hi how.
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Speaker 3: Are you going this morning?
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Speaker 4: We're just live on Sky just trying to oh, yeah,
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Speaker 4: we don't want to interrupt, but we just wanted to know, Yeah,
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Speaker 4: we are well.
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Speaker 3: In the interest of fitter transparency, we.
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Speaker 5: Just thought maybe we just want to know how your
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Speaker 5: campaign's going this morning.
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Speaker 3: It's going well, Thanks, Laurence. I am here to engage
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Speaker 3: your photo through a prepole. It's at the Little Literary. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: The first my judgment of Anthony Albanezi, as you know,
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Speaker 2: is that he says one thing and then does another,
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Speaker 2: such as.
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Speaker 6: This day's three tax scuts will come into effect.
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Speaker 7: In July in full. Well, we haven't changed our position
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Speaker 7: on that, Micael.
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Speaker 3: I just asked that question again.
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Speaker 7: Can you promise as you did before the election of
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Speaker 7: stay three tax cuts will come in in full in July. Well, well,
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Speaker 7: I've said we haven't changed our position and we can
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Speaker 7: you promise crime Master, I've said I can't be clearer
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Speaker 7: than that.
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Speaker 8: Stage three tax cuts are they going ahead?
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Speaker 7: And when? Well, we haven't changed our position on that,
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Speaker 7: we have no change to our plans. Tax cuts will
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Speaker 7: happen in July. We're being very upfront with the Australian
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Speaker 7: people that when economic circumstances have changed. It is the
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Speaker 7: responsible thing to do to change our policy and this
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Speaker 7: reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars
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Speaker 7: and seventy five dollars a year, there'll be reduction for
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Speaker 7: households of two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 2: Or that it does one thing and then says another,
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Speaker 2: like what he fell at the stage and then denied
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Speaker 2: what we all saw on.
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Speaker 9: TV photos with everyone okay in the middle.
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Speaker 7: I stepped back one step. I didn't fall up the stage,
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Speaker 7: just one leg went down.
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Speaker 3: But I was sweet.
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Speaker 2: This is a man who will do or say anything
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Speaker 2: whatsoever he has to to hang on to power. And
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Speaker 2: I feel like that's what happened today as a prime
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Speaker 2: minister suspended the election campaign. He says to more on
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Speaker 2: the death of Pope Francis in Rome. Now, as a
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Speaker 2: Catholic myself, fair enough, I think it's right to mark
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Speaker 2: the death of the pope. He is, after all, or was,
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Speaker 2: a significant world leader, not just for those of my faith,
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Speaker 2: but humanity globally. But since when did the death of
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Speaker 2: a pope stop the nation? And since when did it
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Speaker 2: stop an Australian election campaign? Anthony Albernese has always said
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Speaker 2: that his mother instilled in him three great faiths, the
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Speaker 2: Labor Party, the South Sydney Rugby League Club, the Rabbidos
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Speaker 2: and the Catholic Church. Maybe so, but that didn't stop
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Speaker 2: his official biographer writing this in her book on Alberan
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Speaker 2: Ezy in twenty sixteen, that Anthony is dubious. She wrote
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Speaker 2: about some of the doctrines of the church and some
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Speaker 2: of the biblical details of the life and activity of Jesus.
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Speaker 2: Asked if he believes in God, he doesn't give an
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Speaker 2: answer yes or no, said alban Easy.
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Speaker 3: I have a.
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Speaker 2: Belief in some form of spirituality, but I think that
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Speaker 2: something that's really private. I've never gone on about it publicly,
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Speaker 2: well until now. Last night, in addition to an official
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Speaker 2: statement on the death of the pontiff, there was a
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Speaker 2: late night visit to Saint Patrick's Cathedral in Melbourne, a company,
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Speaker 2: of course by a photographer for a picture that was
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Speaker 2: all over the newspapers this morning. Followed up then my
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Speaker 2: Mass at seven a m formal press conference after that
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Speaker 2: where he announced today that he would suspend official campaigning,
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Speaker 2: the last time a federal election campaign was suspended like
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Speaker 2: This was in twenty ten when we lost an sas
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Speaker 2: soldier on the battlefield if of Afghanistan, and Julia Gillard
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Speaker 2: and Tony Abbott, while they stood down for the day,
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Speaker 2: attended his funeral as a mark of respect. Now as
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Speaker 2: relevant as the pope is for many Catholics. And I'm
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Speaker 2: mercy educated my whole life, and with the Jesuits too,
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Speaker 2: as I said me included, I don't think the two compare.
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Speaker 2: I still can't look past the fact that this is
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Speaker 2: the same Albanesi who chose to repeatedly mock Tony Abbot's Catholicism,
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Speaker 2: attacking him as the mad Monk.
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Speaker 7: And Tony Abbott, I mean, for goodness sake, the bloke
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Speaker 7: sits there in question time, says nothing for half of
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Speaker 7: the last part elementary sitting work, where two days gone
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Speaker 7: out of four he has yet to open his mouth
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Speaker 7: in the House of Representatives, I mean the book the
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Speaker 7: mad Monk has become a Trappist monk. He's taken a
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Speaker 7: vow of silence, pretending that this has got nothing to
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Speaker 7: do with him.
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Speaker 2: And there were dozens and dozens of examples like that,
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Speaker 2: and his Catholic faith. Albaneze is Catholic faith such as
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Speaker 2: it is, didn't stop him from being one of the
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Speaker 2: very few political leaders to ever make an affirmation when
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Speaker 2: sworn into office, rather than swear an oath on the Bible.
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Speaker 2: It's the same PM two who wouldn't allow his senators
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Speaker 2: a conscience vote last year when the question came up
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Speaker 2: about live births.
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Speaker 3: After late term abortions.
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Speaker 2: Now, if the PM has had a midlife renewal of
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Speaker 2: his faith again, I say, as a Catholic, well, that's wonderful. Somehow,
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Speaker 2: I see this as more about a day off from
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Speaker 2: the campaign trail to staff his struggling opponent of oxygen
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Speaker 2: and make sure he can buy himself a whole day
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Speaker 2: to prep for tonight's latter's TV debate. This is a
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Speaker 2: labor party, let's not forget, that's failed to legislate to
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Speaker 2: protect religious freedoms as promised. It's always under pressure from
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Speaker 2: its hard left green flank to defund religious schools, and
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Speaker 2: has argued against religious schools being able to hire and
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Speaker 2: fire teachers that reflect its values. Now, I'm all for
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Speaker 2: commemorating the Pope's contribution to public life, but suspending our
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Speaker 2: election campaign for the leader of the Catholics or any
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Speaker 2: religious leader Islamic, Jewish or any faith. Well that strikes
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Speaker 2: an uncomfortable chord with me. Now, preferences, whenever the PM
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Speaker 2: is asked about them, he always says, it's not his
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Speaker 2: des decision.
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Speaker 7: I don't accept preferences, but go into polling booths and
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Speaker 7: put numbers next to names. So the preference allocation, of course,
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Speaker 7: will be done by the organizational wing.
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Speaker 2: Despite the fact, of course he's not telling you there
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Speaker 2: he is on the board of Labour's National executive. In fact,
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Speaker 2: he's got the casting vote. And whenever he's asked about
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Speaker 2: the Greens policies and whether or not it might become
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Speaker 2: labor policy after the election, well he says he won't negotiate.
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Speaker 3: With the Greens.
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Speaker 7: Can you rule out any changes to negative gearing and
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Speaker 7: capital gains tests?
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Speaker 9: How hard is it for the fiftieth.
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Speaker 7: Using this negotiators with the Greens in Horse former government
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Speaker 7: in Horse trading the votes and other matters. What are
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Speaker 7: you talking about?
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Speaker 9: Sorry, no, no, no.
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Speaker 2: He says, or someone must have negotiated with the Green
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Speaker 2: It's because in every single seat, bar one, the Greens
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Speaker 2: or the Gucci Greens, the Teals, or they have received
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Speaker 2: Labour's top preference. The only seat with Labor are not
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Speaker 2: preferencing the Greens. They're not preferencing anyone here instead running
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Speaker 2: a genuinely open ticket is the Melbourne seat in McNamara,
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Speaker 2: where the sitting Labor and PA is Jewish. Apparently he
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Speaker 2: asked for a dispensation on the grounds that he couldn't
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Speaker 2: countenance preferencing a party that's failed to condemn humas.
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Speaker 3: That's the only one.
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Speaker 2: And I suppose that explains why when appearing with Josh
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Speaker 2: Burns over the weekend, the Prime Minister refused to take
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Speaker 2: questions on preferences. He was asked here about his Attorney General,
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Speaker 2: also Jewish, Mark Dreyfus.
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Speaker 3: Well he's preferencing the Greens.
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Speaker 2: Today, we learn poor old Josh Burns, Well he's been
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Speaker 2: gagged by the Prime Minister. He sees yet again the
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Speaker 2: story of a Labour leader who wants to have it
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Speaker 2: both ways, attacking the Greens is extremists when it suits him,
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Speaker 2: but then doing preference deals with them because there's nothing
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Speaker 2: he won't do or say to cling on to power.
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Speaker 2: Do a deal with the devil, sure, says the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 3: I'll preference.
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Speaker 2: The Greens promise voters you'll cut their power bills, even
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Speaker 2: if he never will. Absolutely, he did that, didn't he.
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Speaker 2: It's no surprise at most of my viewers. Well, you're
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Speaker 2: now calling him the liar in the lodge, because that's
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Speaker 2: who he is. If he survives because of the Greens,
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Speaker 2: there will be wealth taxes, death duties, illicit drug legislation
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Speaker 2: and the end to or fossil fuel use in this country.
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Speaker 2: The PM fours would no doubt say that he's got
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Speaker 2: no real choice here because at least a dozen of
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Speaker 2: his MPs owe their seats to Green preferences.
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Speaker 3: But if he.
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Speaker 2: Really does believe the Greens are an extremist party as
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Speaker 2: he says, or that he's got to put them last,
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Speaker 2: or at least put the coalition candidate ahead of them,
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Speaker 2: after all, that's what labors of Peter Dutton's doing, except
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Speaker 2: in a handful of seats where there's even a more
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Speaker 2: unsavory candidate than the Green. Yet again, this is a
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister who says one thing and does another, and
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Speaker 2: when challenged he prevaricates. As we heard from Aden Bant
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Speaker 2: two weeks ago at the Press Club, the number one
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Speaker 2: deal breaker for the Greens is an end to negative gearing.
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Speaker 10: I can announce today that the Greens will make reforming
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Speaker 10: negative gearing in the capital gains text discount a priority
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Speaker 10: in the next Parliament, including when there's a minority government.
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Speaker 2: The abounds if it happens to a massive new tax
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Speaker 2: on landlords, which will put up rents as landlords seek
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Speaker 2: to protect their returns and massively reduced supply as landlords
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Speaker 2: sell out of suddenly unprofitable housing. Modeling published today suggests
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Speaker 2: that ending negative gearing for rental properties and abolishing the
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Speaker 2: capital gains tax discounts, another demand of the Greens, will
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Speaker 2: increase rents by some eighty three dollars a week and
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Speaker 2: prompt almost half a million rental properties to be withdrawn
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Speaker 2: from the market. Yet, by engaging in what amounts to
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Speaker 2: an electoral deal with the Greens and negotiating with them
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Speaker 2: even by proxy, the PMS effectively created a Labor Greens alliance,
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Speaker 2: and what an unholy alliance. That is just one example
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Speaker 2: in the seat of Blaxland in Sydney's West, where Labour's
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Speaker 2: Education Minister Jason Clair's preferency at number two. A Greens
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Speaker 2: candidate who has claimed that and I quote the overwhelming
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Speaker 2: majority of israelis a genocidal, racist scum. Now, honestly, you
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Speaker 2: can tell a lot about someone by the company they keep.
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Speaker 2: Whatever the PM might say about the Greens, it's what
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Speaker 2: he does that matters the lyre in the lodge. So
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Speaker 2: you tell me why he's not worthy of being re elected. Well,
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Speaker 2: as I prefaced, quite sedate day on the campaign trail
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Speaker 2: for the moment, at least the PM suspending events to
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Speaker 2: more on the death of Pope Francis. Both men though
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Speaker 2: emerging later tonight for the third official election debate. For
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Speaker 2: an update on the PM's movements, he's a report from
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Speaker 2: Julia Bradley.
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Speaker 5: The Prime Minister and Opposition leader of spend the afternoon
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Speaker 5: preparing for another leader's debate. Earlier, they paused campaigning in
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Speaker 5: honor of Pope Francis Anthony Albanezi, remembering the man who
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Speaker 5: was loved by people of all faiths, not just Catholics.
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Speaker 5: He visited Saint Patrick's Cathedral alongside Dean of the Cathedral,
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Speaker 5: Monsignor Stuart Hall, before attending a mass in the Pope's honor.
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Speaker 7: He was indeed the people's Pope. He was tireless in
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Speaker 7: advocating for the powerless, campaigning against poverty, for the rights
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Speaker 7: of working people, and for protecting a natural environment.
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Speaker 5: The Prime Minister reflected on how his Catholic upbringing has
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Speaker 5: shaped his politics by informing his social justice values.
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Speaker 7: And he was someone who I personally admired as well
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Speaker 7: as someone who his values that he put forward. He
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Speaker 7: had a great deal of courage as well.
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Speaker 11: He was.
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Speaker 7: Very much a modern leader in the way that he
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Speaker 7: conducted himself.
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Speaker 5: All Commonwealth flags have flown at Half Masterday out of
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Speaker 5: respect for the Pope. Early voting has now begun and
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Speaker 5: more than fifty percent of Australians are expected to cast
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Speaker 5: their ballot ahead of May three.
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Speaker 2: Now let's have a look at the opposition leader's day
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Speaker 2: and what we might expect out of tonight's debate. Trudy
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Speaker 2: Macintosh filed this report Peter.
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Speaker 4: It was a very different day on the election campaign trail.
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Speaker 4: The Opposition leader had to abandon his plans to continue
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Speaker 4: campaigning in the region town of Orange in New South Wales,
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Speaker 4: instead coming here to where I am. A mass that
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Speaker 4: was held at Saint Mary's Cathedral today, attending mass alongside
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Speaker 4: hundreds of church goers gathered to mark the death of
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Speaker 4: Pope Francis. Peter Dutton sat alongside former Governor General Peter
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Speaker 4: Cosgrove and his wife Lynn. After mass, the Opposition leader
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Speaker 4: expressed his condolences to the Catholic community in Australia and
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Speaker 4: across the world.
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Speaker 10: This is a moment of boarding, but it's also a
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Speaker 10: moment of celebration of a life that was one of sacrifice,
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Speaker 10: of mercy and of forbearans. One who drove change within
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Speaker 10: the church, but one who never forgot his roots and
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Speaker 10: his origins, and somebody who was always dedicated to helping
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Speaker 10: those much less fortunate than himself.
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Speaker 4: The Opposition leader officially suspended his election campaign for today.
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Speaker 4: He had started the morning in Orange the election events,
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Speaker 4: though there had to be ditched. The schedule changed to
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Speaker 4: allow mister Dutton to come here to church in Sydney instead.
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Speaker 4: He will now spend the afternoon preparing for the third
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Speaker 4: televised Leader's debate before campaigning will resume in Ernes tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: Campaign Tranquie not so the other issues around Johnny man
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Speaker 2: Owsky's political limitor, Andrew Clanell angelost art with a suspended
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Speaker 2: campaign today. I made the point the last time it
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Speaker 2: was suspended in my knowledge. Twenty ten, we had the
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Speaker 2: death of a digger in Afghanistan and the funeral was
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Speaker 2: in Australia. Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott suspended campaigning on
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Speaker 2: that day to attend the funeral. But it strikes me
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Speaker 2: as a bit bizarre the PMS or Captain Catholic now
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Speaker 2: is shutting down campaigning. And I made the point, you know,
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Speaker 2: in my editorial he used to call Tony Abbott the
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Speaker 2: mad monk, but now we are recognizing the death of
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Speaker 2: the Pope as we should. But I have to say,
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Speaker 2: even as a Catholic, I think shutting down the campaign
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Speaker 2: is highly irregular.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I just don't think it really matters Peter. It's
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Speaker 6: my day and they're debating tonight, so I don't think
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Speaker 6: it's that big a deal. I think he could have
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Speaker 6: handled it better. He should have rung Dutton and said
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Speaker 6: do you want to pause? Is that okay? He didn't
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Speaker 6: do that. He announced the pause. He only contacted or
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Speaker 6: texted Peter Dutton as I reported this afternoon, in relation
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Speaker 6: to the debate and whether that shouldn't go ahead, and
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Speaker 6: then said, oh it's okay, we'll go ahead with it.
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Speaker 6: But you know, if you're going to pause a campaign,
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Speaker 6: surely you need the agreement of the other leader rather
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Speaker 6: than saying I'm pausing my campaign because you and ble
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Speaker 6: I don't want to press conference with a bunch of
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Speaker 6: other questions other than the pope's death. So not ideal
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Speaker 6: won't affect the result at all, doesn't really matter they're
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Speaker 6: debating tonight.
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Speaker 3: Well, we see for other leaders.
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Speaker 2: Now, you know when the head of the Hindu faith
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Speaker 2: or the leader of the Church of the Unit. Well
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Speaker 2: we did that with the Anglicans, of course, because that
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Speaker 2: was the queen invested in the head of state as well.
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Speaker 2: I mean, are we going to see this across the
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Speaker 2: board for all faiths?
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Speaker 3: Now? Given how much the left life like diversity.
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Speaker 6: Well, twenty percent of the electorate's Catholic, so I think
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Speaker 6: it's just sort of probably a different, different situation.
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Speaker 2: Is that an admission that it's a political consideration?
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Speaker 3: Andrew?
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Speaker 6: Oh, well, I don't have to admit anything. I just
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Speaker 6: had my views, Peter, I'm not a politician.
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Speaker 3: Well, I'm just asking the point. I think it's highly political. Anyway,
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Speaker 3: let's talk about political.
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Speaker 6: It's an election campaign. Everything's political, I guess.
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Speaker 2: Right, Okay, significant soft vote out there tonight's debate. What
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Speaker 2: are going to be looking for in terms of both
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Speaker 2: performances And do you think at this stage now prepoll's
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Speaker 2: obviously opening today, the election now in under two weeks time,
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Speaker 2: can Peter Dutton claw back momentum?
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Speaker 6: Well, I think he needs to go on the counter attack.
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Speaker 6: I mean, I think that's what's been lacking. I know
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Speaker 6: Peter Dutton is not very happy with what the labor
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Speaker 6: ads in Anthony Albanese has been saying and believes that
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Speaker 6: there blatant lies. And I would say if that's the case,
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Speaker 6: perhaps he should be opening every press conference with a
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Speaker 6: spiel about that before he gets to his policy announcement,
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Speaker 6: because I don't think he's pressed it hard enough publicly.
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Speaker 6: And the two biggest issues I think are the six
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Speaker 6: hundred bion dollar figure on nuclear power. Now having said that,
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Speaker 6: I've had two shadows on the last couple of days
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Speaker 6: and they haven't been able to name me what the
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Speaker 6: actual figure is. But even the report that that's based
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Speaker 6: on in the advertising Peter I just pulled that out.
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Speaker 6: It's in the Guardian. It's from the Smart Energy Council,
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Speaker 6: who are pro renewables, and they say a maximum of
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Speaker 6: six hundred and a minimum potentially of one hundred and
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Speaker 6: sixteen bon. So that is what the every press conference.
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Speaker 6: Anthony Albanesi, having been on the road with him, is
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Speaker 6: getting up and saying it's six hundred billion dollars worth
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Speaker 6: of cuts to pay for nuclear power and it's all spurious.
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Speaker 6: Now Peter Dutton needs to attack that. I think I
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Speaker 6: suspect someone said, oh, you know, you look like too
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Speaker 6: much of a hard man. You shouldn't do that. But
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Speaker 6: how else do you attack you know that sort of
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Speaker 6: spurious grounds being used against you. Then there's the urgent
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Speaker 6: care clinics. I Anne rusted on Politics now this afternoon
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Speaker 6: she's saying we're not cutting any urgent care clinics. In fact,
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Speaker 6: we will announce and again they're taking too long to
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Speaker 6: announce this, our own urgent care clinics that perhaps aren't
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Speaker 6: in labor marginal seats. So I do think in the
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Speaker 6: debate Peter Dutt needs to come out in the front
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Speaker 6: foot and say you're lying about this. You're lying about this.
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Speaker 6: People need to know when they come to this election
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Speaker 6: these advertisements you're seeing are not based on fact. They
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Speaker 6: are based in error and deliberately so and I think
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Speaker 6: he needs to say it loud and clear for every
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Speaker 6: single day of this election campaign. If he has the
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Speaker 6: view that he is not being fairly treated in terms
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Speaker 6: of this, he needs to enunciate it every day and
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Speaker 6: more consistent on message. That's what Peter Dutton needs to do.
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Speaker 6: Can he come back, Yes he can, But the problem
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Speaker 6: is because he's behind. He needs a completely error free
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Speaker 6: last week, and after the way the campaign's gone with
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Speaker 6: things like Jane Hime's work from home policy and how
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Speaker 6: that went down like a stone and a couple of
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Speaker 6: other gas, you would have to think that the campaigns
21:25
Speaker 6: who are going to stuff up in the last week,
21:27
Speaker 6: Peter Dutton's more likely to. He needs an error free
21:30
Speaker 6: last week. He needs to nail the last week and
21:34
Speaker 6: I suspect he probably will win this debate tonight, to
21:36
Speaker 6: be honest, but I don't think that's as important as
21:39
Speaker 6: getting that message across for the last week and a half.
21:44
Speaker 2: And therein goes my point. We know that they'll both
21:48
Speaker 2: go very quiet and respectful on Friday with Anzac day,
21:53
Speaker 2: so to lose a whole day on the campaign front.
21:56
Speaker 2: Even if he was to go to the jugular as
21:58
Speaker 2: you recommended, I could agree with you more. He's not
22:01
Speaker 2: doing that, he's not doing it enough. And mate, you
22:03
Speaker 2: don't need to read the Guardian. If you read my
22:05
Speaker 2: column from last week in the Oars, I pull apart
22:07
Speaker 2: that costing from the Smart Energy Council and exactly all
22:10
Speaker 2: the labor hacks that sit behind it and the involvement
22:13
Speaker 2: of people like Simon Holmes a court.
22:16
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a front organization.
22:18
Speaker 2: It's everywhere on Labour's billboards, it's in the stuff that's
22:21
Speaker 2: in your letterbox, and it's not contested by the Liberals.
22:24
Speaker 2: And the six hundred figure is the absolute high end.
22:27
Speaker 2: And there's nowhere in the world where there has been
22:30
Speaker 2: a nuclear system built at that cost. So it's you know,
22:35
Speaker 2: like this one out of the air. But the Libs
22:37
Speaker 2: are not in the ring. That's my problem right now,
22:41
Speaker 2: curious agree in the ring.
22:44
Speaker 6: Look the last night I was watching prime Time free
22:47
Speaker 6: to Airpeter, I saw two of those six hundred bion
22:50
Speaker 6: dollar ads within three ads. So for people who don't engage,
22:54
Speaker 6: which is most Australians, thank goodness, we live in a
22:58
Speaker 6: country free enough that you really have to engage half
23:01
Speaker 6: the time, that's all they see. So you know, if
23:05
Speaker 6: you're not fighting that, you're going to lose to it.
23:10
Speaker 6: And I just think they've made so many mistakes in
23:13
Speaker 6: this campaign and this is another one. They need to
23:15
Speaker 6: be on the front foot hitting this hard. He needs
23:18
Speaker 6: to put aside this. Oh you look like the hard man.
23:20
Speaker 6: Just be yourself and tackle what you believe to be
23:24
Speaker 6: the lie. And because frankly, I don't want to see
23:29
Speaker 6: a situation in this country where people can go into
23:32
Speaker 6: campaigns exaggerating and think they can just get away with it.
23:36
Speaker 6: I know what happens all the time to some extent,
23:38
Speaker 6: are some of this stuff is some of this stuff
23:41
Speaker 6: is next level and it needs to be called out.
23:44
Speaker 6: And the only way it's going to be called out
23:46
Speaker 6: is if Peter doesn't keep saying it over and over
23:49
Speaker 6: again for the next week and a half. And if
23:51
Speaker 6: he doesn't, he's mad.
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Speaker 3: You're not wrong. We are in agreement, Thank you. Angel.
23:58
Speaker 2: Can now now look, as I mentioned polling open today
24:01
Speaker 2: many if you have asked me to remind Australia it's
24:04
Speaker 2: just how they make their vote count on the ballot paper.
24:07
Speaker 2: So to do this, I've roped in our chief electioned analyst,
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Speaker 2: Tom Connell to give everyone this little refresher.
24:15
Speaker 9: May three is election day in Australia and voting is mandatory,
24:18
Speaker 9: which means that all Australian citizens over the age of
24:21
Speaker 9: eighteen must be enrolled to vote. Vallet to vote will
24:24
Speaker 9: get you a fifty five dollars fine. While some eligible
24:28
Speaker 9: people can vote by post, most will head to one
24:31
Speaker 9: of seven thousand plus polling stations around the country. About
24:35
Speaker 9: five hundred centers are available for you to vote early now.
24:38
Speaker 9: If eligible. Your electorate is determined by where you live.
24:42
Speaker 9: There are maps which divide the country, and those maps
24:45
Speaker 9: may have changed from the last election, so double check
24:48
Speaker 9: before you vote. After having your name checked off at
24:51
Speaker 9: a polling location, you'll be given to ballot papers. The
24:54
Speaker 9: small green one is for the House of Representatives to
24:56
Speaker 9: decide your local area MP. Here you number your CA
25:00
Speaker 9: candidates in the order of your preference, starting with number
25:02
Speaker 9: one and going to the end. The white ballot paper
25:05
Speaker 9: is to decide your state or territory representatives in the Senate.
25:09
Speaker 9: You can choose to vote above the line by numbering
25:11
Speaker 9: at least six boxes, or below the line, where you
25:14
Speaker 9: need to number at least twelve candidates in the order
25:17
Speaker 9: of your choice. Polls are open from eight am to
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Speaker 9: six pm on May three, Democracy at Play.
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Speaker 12: Road in Campbell Road.
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Speaker 2: Of course, it's important to remind everyone too that you
25:30
Speaker 2: control your preferences. You don't have to follow anyone's how
25:33
Speaker 2: to vote cards. It's also worth noting too just how
25:35
Speaker 2: big pre pollings become in recent elections. At the last election,
25:40
Speaker 2: so this is twenty twenty two, thirty seven percent of
25:42
Speaker 2: US pre polled, fourteen percent of US cast a postal vote.
25:46
Speaker 2: I suspect both those numbers will go up again this year.
25:49
Speaker 3: Now. The vote splits here are interesting too.
25:51
Speaker 2: At the last election, Labor led the coalition, albeit slightly,
25:55
Speaker 2: when it came to picking up pre poll votes and
25:58
Speaker 2: the numbers on the actual pole, while the Coalition was
26:02
Speaker 2: just ahead on postal votes.
26:04
Speaker 3: Now to the billboard battle.
26:06
Speaker 2: It's blown up in Cuyong, a Hawthorn pub owner has
26:09
Speaker 2: accused his local council of a political hit job after
26:13
Speaker 2: he was ordered to take down a sign that highlighted
26:16
Speaker 2: the parliamentary voting record of his local MP, that MP
26:20
Speaker 2: Ku Young Teal Manique Ryan. Now here's the sign that
26:24
Speaker 2: tower hotel publican Joe Ramuro has been told to remove,
26:29
Speaker 2: exposing the fact that the Ryan Doctor Ryan has voted
26:34
Speaker 2: with the Greens some seventy seven percent of the time,
26:38
Speaker 2: and that's the highest parliamentary vote with the Greens of
26:42
Speaker 2: any of the Teals. That sign on the Tower Hotel
26:44
Speaker 2: put up with the help of the Liberal Party. Well,
26:46
Speaker 2: it's sparked protests, legal threats, and a war of words
26:49
Speaker 2: about censorship, council over each and political bias. Joining me now,
26:55
Speaker 2: the man in the center of it all Tower Hotel
26:58
Speaker 2: publican Joe from She's wheeze, Joe, You've really put your
27:04
Speaker 2: head in a lion's mouth with this one something like that.
27:06
Speaker 3: There.
27:07
Speaker 2: So it is a sign, and I've checked all the
27:09
Speaker 2: statistics based on evidence from her parliamentary voting record. As
27:15
Speaker 2: she wants integrity and transparency in politics, why is she
27:18
Speaker 2: so upset with the truth being known?
27:20
Speaker 12: I'm not sure. It's obviously ruffled a few feathers within
27:24
Speaker 12: her group and no sooner did the sign go up
27:29
Speaker 12: and the next day there was a rally protest at
27:33
Speaker 12: the front of the hotel. Yeah. Yeah, So I think
27:37
Speaker 12: it's important at the constituents in the area know the facts,
27:42
Speaker 12: and I mean they voted for an independent. But she's
27:47
Speaker 12: based on her voting record. It's not really you know
27:50
Speaker 12: that she's not behaving like an independent.
27:52
Speaker 2: Talk to me about the run Dara council, because they
27:56
Speaker 2: have told you to take this sign down.
27:58
Speaker 12: They have, Yeah, they've threatened prosecution against me personally. And
28:03
Speaker 12: they say, are they saying that I'm only told they
28:06
Speaker 12: have one sign and that that that it breaches the
28:11
Speaker 12: planning permit that's attached to the sign.
28:14
Speaker 3: And have you taken it down?
28:16
Speaker 7: No?
28:17
Speaker 12: I haven't. No, it's still there.
28:18
Speaker 3: What are your patriots thinking about it? I love it.
28:21
Speaker 12: I'm getting phone calls each and every day throughout the day,
28:26
Speaker 12: people complementing the sign, thanking me for putting it up.
28:30
Speaker 12: I've had people come in the hotel today wanting to
28:33
Speaker 12: meet me and congratulate me for putting the sign and
28:37
Speaker 12: stick to my guns and do just leave the sign
28:39
Speaker 12: where it is? We love it, you know. That's the
28:42
Speaker 12: that's the that's the feedback on getting.
28:45
Speaker 2: So if I wanted to put a sign in my
28:46
Speaker 2: front yard or on my house, and you see plenty
28:49
Speaker 2: of political signs as you're driving around the streets to
28:51
Speaker 2: the moment in the campaign, that doesn't seem to be
28:53
Speaker 2: an impediment.
28:55
Speaker 3: Is the problem.
28:55
Speaker 2: Here that you've got a very high profile site, you know,
28:58
Speaker 2: and it's a big sign.
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Speaker 12: Potentially there's there's thousands of cars and pedestrians that wander
29:04
Speaker 12: through there each day.
29:06
Speaker 2: So potentially what's going to happen if you don't take
29:09
Speaker 2: it down.
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Speaker 12: Well, we'll wait and see. I don't know, but they've
29:16
Speaker 12: threatened prosecution. I'm not sure whether they're going to follow
29:21
Speaker 12: through with that or not at this point. But we'll
29:24
Speaker 12: bat on and we'll see what happens.
29:27
Speaker 2: And just last one, have you heard from Manique Ryan?
29:31
Speaker 12: No? I haven't, No, I haven't. I did meet her
29:33
Speaker 12: at the hotel the day of the rally.
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Speaker 3: She was at the front.
29:37
Speaker 12: She was at the front with her with her group.
29:40
Speaker 12: And then when they when they finished the rally, as
29:43
Speaker 12: the rain started to tumble, they came into the hotel
29:46
Speaker 12: and had some drinks and some snacks and told her
29:51
Speaker 12: that we couldn't be friends because we we have viewsed
29:55
Speaker 12: on a line. She said she'd called me and she
30:00
Speaker 12: as my number. I'm still waiting for that call. That
30:02
Speaker 12: was several weeks back. And then then Pinch and Peak
30:07
Speaker 12: got to work and so and that that sort of
30:10
Speaker 12: started a whole.
30:11
Speaker 2: So this was all before the husband stole the side. Goodness, fine,
30:15
Speaker 2: she's had a shock of a campaign, you body looks
30:18
Speaker 2: at it and had a good win in terms of
30:20
Speaker 2: freedom of speech.
30:21
Speaker 3: But we'll see what happens to you.
30:23
Speaker 12: Yeah, well, hopefully Amelia and her team will will you know,
30:27
Speaker 12: get the result that they that they deserve. They're working
30:30
Speaker 12: very hard and a lot of I mean the people
30:34
Speaker 12: that I speak to that roll through the businesses, hundreds
30:37
Speaker 12: and thousands of people that come throughout their week after week,
30:41
Speaker 12: and the general feeling is that you know that there's
30:44
Speaker 12: going to be a shift back to back to blue,
30:49
Speaker 12: and hopefully she'll get the results she's she's a great
30:53
Speaker 12: candidate for k Yeah.
30:54
Speaker 3: Right, we'll stick to guns.
30:56
Speaker 12: Yeah we will. All right, thank you.
30:58
Speaker 3: There's a pub to support in Melbourne, isn't it?
31:00
Speaker 2: Shore After break, tony Ama joins me to discuss the campaign,
31:03
Speaker 2: Labour's preference deal with the Greens, and what the heck's
31:05
Speaker 2: going on with the Russians in Indonesia, plus the explosive
31:09
Speaker 2: allegations from a former ASIO spy and Islamic hate preachers
31:14
Speaker 2: in our.
31:14
Speaker 3: Midst welcome back.
31:19
Speaker 2: A lot of you want to know where Joe Romaro's
31:22
Speaker 2: pub is the Tower Hotel in Hawthorne, corner of Burward
31:26
Speaker 2: and Campberdoll Road. We're going to get into the Islamists
31:30
Speaker 2: inside prison systems across the world. That's coming up, so
31:34
Speaker 2: worry here in Australia as well. But first, despite Anthony
31:37
Speaker 2: I'm an easy trying to dismiss growing ties between Moscow
31:41
Speaker 2: and Jakarta as Russian propaganda, Indonesia's now revealed it is
31:46
Speaker 2: in fact on the brink forming.
31:48
Speaker 3: A space partnership with Russia.
31:50
Speaker 2: It comes as a security experts warned Australia that we
31:53
Speaker 2: are being outplayed by Russia and China in our own backyard.
31:58
Speaker 2: Joining me now, former Prime Minister Tony Abbott, Well, I'm
32:02
Speaker 2: interested in your take on what's going on here with
32:05
Speaker 2: Russia and Indonesia, but I am surprised we're now a
32:10
Speaker 2: week on. Despite multiple requests, the government, despite caretaker conventions,
32:17
Speaker 2: have denied the opposition are briefing on this.
32:22
Speaker 13: Peter, even outside an election campaign. There should be a
32:26
Speaker 13: readiness to give security briefings from the government to the
32:30
Speaker 13: opposition inside an election campaign when everyone is supposed to
32:35
Speaker 13: be equal. Well, it's a scandal that there's been no
32:38
Speaker 13: security briefing for the opposition, and frankly it's a I
32:43
Speaker 13: think it's a real failure on the government's part. If
32:47
Speaker 13: this space cooperation between Indonesia and Russia has been ongoing
32:53
Speaker 13: and they appear to know nothing about it.
32:56
Speaker 2: Either they know nothing about it and they've been caught
32:58
Speaker 2: flat foot and this is our government, or they've known
33:01
Speaker 2: all the way along and they're not allowing the opposition
33:04
Speaker 2: to be fully briefed on how involved or how informed
33:08
Speaker 2: Australia has been. Either way it's to be condemned.
33:13
Speaker 13: Look, what happens in West Papua is essentially happening in
33:16
Speaker 13: our backyard, and for the Australian government to be ignorant
33:20
Speaker 13: about what's happening in our own backyard is a sign
33:23
Speaker 13: of a government which has badly dropped the ball on
33:27
Speaker 13: national security.
33:29
Speaker 2: The PM has repeatedly said that he will not do
33:31
Speaker 2: a deal with the Greens, but clearly someone has and
33:35
Speaker 2: he's on the National Executive, he's got the casting vote,
33:38
Speaker 2: so I'm tipping he's been all over this.
33:42
Speaker 3: There's a preference deal with Labor and the Greens.
33:44
Speaker 2: The Greens are preferencing Labour's preferencing the Greens in all
33:48
Speaker 2: but one of the one hundred.
33:49
Speaker 3: And fifty seats of the Lower House. Are you surprised here?
33:52
Speaker 13: Look, I'm not surprised, but I'm amazed at the Prime
33:55
Speaker 13: Minister is able to get away with this. Nothing happens
33:59
Speaker 13: in an election campaign, Nothing significant happens in an election
34:02
Speaker 13: campaign without the approval of the party leader. It's as
34:07
Speaker 13: simple as that. So plainly, the Prime Minister is in
34:11
Speaker 13: favor of giving the anti Israel extreme left Greens second preferences,
34:19
Speaker 13: which essentially means that Labor and the Greens are operating
34:23
Speaker 13: in an alliance. And should there be a minority government
34:28
Speaker 13: situation after the election, it's absolutely certain as Nightfallow's day,
34:34
Speaker 13: the wide elements of the Greens policy will be adopted
34:37
Speaker 13: by Labor, including wealth taxes including the abolition and negative gearing,
34:42
Speaker 13: which obviously is going to mean, as you said in
34:44
Speaker 13: your editorial, much higher rents and much less that.
34:49
Speaker 2: Was experienced when Paul Keating dumped absolutely right and brought
34:53
Speaker 2: it back.
34:54
Speaker 13: And look on the fundamentals of the election, nothing has
34:57
Speaker 13: changed over This campaign lied its way into government. They
35:03
Speaker 13: have been epically incompetent in government. They're now lying like
35:08
Speaker 13: flatfish to stay in government. And frankly, a government which
35:13
Speaker 13: has such a thin relationship with the truth as this
35:16
Speaker 13: one has no right to reelection.
35:21
Speaker 3: Just on negative gearing.
35:22
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister says I have no plans, I have
35:26
Speaker 2: no intention, but he won't rule it out. You know
35:31
Speaker 2: what labor liked for an election, and we saw this
35:33
Speaker 2: with the carbon tax.
35:34
Speaker 3: On Julia Gillard.
35:35
Speaker 13: Of course, I mean Julia Gillard's notorious statement there will
35:38
Speaker 13: be no carbon tax under a government I lead. She
35:41
Speaker 13: finds herself in a minority situation. To stay in office,
35:45
Speaker 13: she does the carbon tax deal with the Greens. You
35:49
Speaker 13: just can't trust this government anyway. Any government that promised
35:54
Speaker 13: to cut your power bill by two hundred and seventy
35:56
Speaker 13: five dollars per household per year failed so spectacularly is
36:02
Speaker 13: a government that can't be taken seriously. And as we
36:06
Speaker 13: know from better experience, when the Prime Minister says he
36:10
Speaker 13: has no plans to increase taxes, there means no plans today,
36:15
Speaker 13: but tomorrow, well, whatever it takes.
36:19
Speaker 2: I need to get your reaction on a story that
36:22
Speaker 2: featured in four Corners, where an Asio spy broke cover
36:25
Speaker 2: to reveal that the fundamentalist Sydney Islamic preacher with some
36:29
Speaker 2: hard ed is the spiritual leader of a pro Islamic
36:32
Speaker 2: state network in Australia. This is what he has told
36:36
Speaker 2: four corners, speaking under the code name of Marcus Ads.
36:42
Speaker 11: You'll think you are in an ISOL camp in Syria
36:46
Speaker 11: or in rak the materials of ISOL videos, the songs
36:51
Speaker 11: of isols. Aware about all this informmation, You said events
36:59
Speaker 11: at Al Madinad Center were like an isis training camp
37:04
Speaker 11: for young people.
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Speaker 2: So he preaches in so called youth organizations around Sydney.
37:12
Speaker 2: This is a former ASIO undercover operative. He says, this
37:16
Speaker 2: is a training ground for Islamic State. How is it
37:23
Speaker 2: that this form spy is at risk of his life
37:26
Speaker 2: and prosecution from the government for speaking the truth. But
37:29
Speaker 2: we've got these hate preachers in Sydney, not one that
37:32
Speaker 2: I have ever seen who has been deported.
37:36
Speaker 13: The pro Australian person is in diabolical trouble. The anti
37:41
Speaker 13: Australian person is getting off scot free. I mean, what
37:45
Speaker 13: kind of craziness is this? Why should the ASIO informant
37:51
Speaker 13: be living in fear of prosecution in another country for
37:55
Speaker 13: his own safety And this guy who apparently wants to
37:59
Speaker 13: overthrow our democracy and replace it with sharia, lawa and
38:04
Speaker 13: the caliphate. He's not deported, he's not even prosecuted.
38:09
Speaker 3: I got to just.
38:10
Speaker 2: Touch on the Pope before we go because a couple
38:13
Speaker 2: of things, both the legacy of Frances. But before we
38:18
Speaker 2: get to that, Labor used to deride you as Captain Catholic.
38:21
Speaker 2: I played a little bit at the top of the show.
38:23
Speaker 2: You wouldn't have seen it of Anthony Albernez. He used
38:25
Speaker 2: to jeer at you as the mad monk. I do
38:29
Speaker 2: think it's extraordinary that he suspended the election campaign today
38:33
Speaker 2: out of reverence, he says for the Pope. I think
38:35
Speaker 2: it's rank political campaigning. It denies Peter Dutton a day
38:39
Speaker 2: out in the campaign trail. Of course they will not
38:41
Speaker 2: be campaigning on Anzac Day on Friday, and it's coming
38:45
Speaker 2: down to the wire. I think this is a poor
38:48
Speaker 2: look to be honest.
38:50
Speaker 13: Well, Peter, naturally, I mourn the Pope's passing. He was
38:55
Speaker 13: clearly a good man as well as the leader of
38:59
Speaker 13: our church. Which as for the Prime Minister, well, look
39:04
Speaker 13: he's been that church twice in the last twenty four
39:06
Speaker 13: hours and I'm always delighted to see more people back
39:10
Speaker 13: in church.
39:11
Speaker 3: So we call him captain Catholic, now do we?
39:13
Speaker 13: And at a papal miracle.
39:15
Speaker 2: At a papal miracle, you're very gracious total have able
39:17
Speaker 2: to leave it there.
39:18
Speaker 3: There you go.
39:19
Speaker 2: It's a papal miracle that Anthony Albertezi has reinvigorated his
39:23
Speaker 2: faith alright after the break Labour's Big Australia Agenda. It
39:27
Speaker 2: will be a feature of a second term Albanesi government.
39:31
Speaker 2: The evidence is clear, plast another shocker for Monique Ryan.
39:40
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
39:40
Speaker 2: Thudy Fortherish is to get across right now, joining me
39:43
Speaker 2: for the panel. CEO of the Page Research Center, Jared
39:46
Speaker 2: Holland in Queensland, L ANDP Senator James McGrath, gents welcome.
39:51
Speaker 2: I want to stay on the issue, James McGrath if
39:54
Speaker 2: I can here first of Labour's Big Australia it's faded
39:59
Speaker 2: a little from the cam PA and I think that's
40:00
Speaker 2: a mistake. We all know that's the long term labor agenda.
40:04
Speaker 2: But reports today about a glut of Indian and Nepalese.
40:07
Speaker 3: Students in Australia.
40:08
Speaker 2: These are foreign graduates, they're not Australian citizens. Most do
40:12
Speaker 2: not have permanent residency. They're here on student visas, but
40:16
Speaker 2: they will be allowed under Labour's rules to bring in
40:18
Speaker 2: tens of thousands of their family members to accompany them here.
40:23
Speaker 2: Why they finish work on post study visas. These are
40:27
Speaker 2: numbers that are not factored in by Labor in their
40:30
Speaker 2: migration forecasts. Meeting as I say that Big Australia will
40:35
Speaker 2: continue if they're elected. I don't know why that family
40:40
Speaker 2: members of students on visas are allowed to come here.
40:48
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Peter, it's certainly a bending of
40:50
Speaker 1: the rules. We should always remember what John Howard said,
40:53
Speaker 1: we decide who comes to this country and the circumstances
40:56
Speaker 1: in which they come. And over the last three years
40:58
Speaker 1: we've seen Labor bring in the population of Adelaide. So
41:02
Speaker 1: if people wondering why house prices are so high, one
41:05
Speaker 1: of the reasons is because of effectively this unchecked migration
41:09
Speaker 1: that has come in the Coalition have got a very
41:11
Speaker 1: simple plan that is we're going to make sure that
41:14
Speaker 1: our migration levels are sustainable. But also to your point, Peter,
41:18
Speaker 1: the people who come here, we need to make sure
41:20
Speaker 1: that they add to Australia. So that means that the
41:22
Speaker 1: yoga teachers who want to come come here because under
41:25
Speaker 1: labor that's seen as a serious skill and as apparently
41:29
Speaker 1: a skilled shortage of yoga teachers. That's not going to happen.
41:32
Speaker 1: We're going to make sure that those who come here
41:34
Speaker 1: help grow Australia. But also people coming in through the
41:37
Speaker 1: back door. That's something that does not pass the pub test.
41:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jared, because the visa you give someone to come
41:46
Speaker 2: here and starty on the presumption that they're going to
41:48
Speaker 2: go home has a whole different checking of background as
41:53
Speaker 2: the visa is to someone who comes here to live
41:55
Speaker 2: in Australia permanently. They're very different categories, but they've being
41:59
Speaker 2: backdoored because we're not selling an education outcome anymore. We're
42:02
Speaker 2: selling a backdoor immigraciate one.
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Speaker 3: It looks like to me, Yeah, you're exactly right.
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Speaker 8: And just to give a sense of the scale, you're
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Speaker 8: looking at about two hundred thousand people currently who hold
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Speaker 8: these four to eight five visas. About twenty percent of
42:17
Speaker 8: those are family members or sponsored spouses and others who
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Speaker 8: are here. They aren't people who conducted studies here who
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Speaker 8: are then able to work. I think a spouse is
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Speaker 8: able to work up to forty eight hours in the
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Speaker 8: next two weeks. Then that allows them the opportunity for
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Speaker 8: sponsorship and to stay in the country. And of course
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Speaker 8: these people they're taking advantage of a system that has
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Speaker 8: been very generous to them. It's not their fault. I
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Speaker 8: would do the same if a country like Australia was
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Speaker 8: opening its doors and I didn't come from such a
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Speaker 8: wonderful land. But we as Australian citizens, we need to
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Speaker 8: be consulted on this. This should be on the ballot paper.
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Speaker 8: Is this the way that we want to be conducting ourselves,
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Speaker 8: What is the rate, what is the pace? And then
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Speaker 8: what is the cultural background of people that we want coming?
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Speaker 8: And have we had that honest conversation with Australians as
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Speaker 8: to how that's all going about.
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Speaker 2: Spot On, talk to me about some modeling that your
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Speaker 2: team's done, because I think this is really interesting. It
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Speaker 2: centers around the Hunter electorate and the Ladell power plant
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Speaker 2: in that electorate and a transition across into nuclear. But
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Speaker 2: I want to make the point before I throw to you.
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Speaker 2: Of course, the Hunter, the electrotive Hunter, it's very very
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Speaker 2: tight at the moment, it's incredibly tight, held by labor
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Speaker 2: but I think they're in real trouble. Tell me, how
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Speaker 2: did you land on an economic benefit figure for the
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Speaker 2: move from coal to nuclear and what is it?
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Speaker 8: Well, we actually came to this a little while ago
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Speaker 8: because there was so much discussion about what a coal
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Speaker 8: to nuclear transition would look like in Australia and no
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Speaker 8: one had actually done the hard numbers on the ground
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Speaker 8: at that point as to what kind of jobs would
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Speaker 8: be brought, about, how many jobs are transferable, and we
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Speaker 8: commission this independent firm, Hatch to take a look at
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Speaker 8: it for us. The numbers were massive, So twenty nine
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Speaker 8: billion dollars in benefit for the community in the Hunter
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Speaker 8: and broader regional New South. You're looking at about thirteen
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Speaker 8: thousand jobs during construction, another two and a half thousand
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Speaker 8: jobs year in, year out for the full life cycle
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Speaker 8: of the plant. Another six hundred and forty million for
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Speaker 8: the regions. This is all in addition to the cheap, reliable,
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Speaker 8: base load dispatchable power that could power these communities for
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Speaker 8: the next sixty eighty one hundred years. And really important
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Speaker 8: that we actually start to give these communities the truth
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Speaker 8: about what this could mean for them, not just the
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Speaker 8: scam Mangreen that the Teals and the Greens and Labor
44:28
Speaker 8: have been hosing them with.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's stay with the Teals, James McGrath, you know,
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Speaker 2: you could have a campaign that's a bit like a
44:38
Speaker 2: really shocking game, a forty all bad game of tennis,
44:41
Speaker 2: when you know every time you hit the net it
44:43
Speaker 2: falls back the wrong way. When you put your toe
44:45
Speaker 2: on the line, the balls called out, nothing's going your way.
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Speaker 2: I think that's what Manique Ryan would be feeling at
44:52
Speaker 2: the moment out on the hustings with her today.
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Speaker 3: A pre pole was Laura Jays.
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Speaker 2: She asked her for an interview and got this extraordinary sponds.
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Speaker 3: Have a look. I just want to know how your
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Speaker 3: campaign's going this morning. It's going well, thanks, Laurence.
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Speaker 11: I am here to engage your photos through a pepole
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Speaker 11: that's into the military.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 11: So I'm not sure that it's really ideal for you
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Speaker 11: to be interrupting to process.
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Speaker 3: Have you had any other.
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Speaker 5: Have you had any other thoughts about whether it's okay
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Speaker 5: to pay influences?
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Speaker 3: Thanks?
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Speaker 2: I call it a campaign, Karen, but I mean she's
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Speaker 2: campaigning on a transparency. Taxpayers are paying her wage, but
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Speaker 2: she won't talk to us.
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Speaker 1: Monique is a hypocrite. The teals are hypocrites. The teals
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Speaker 1: like to tell us what to do, but they don't
45:46
Speaker 1: live by their own standards. You just look at it.
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Speaker 1: She talks about transparency all the time but can't answer
45:52
Speaker 1: basic questions. I mean, she wasn't asked a question then
45:54
Speaker 1: about how to solve the piece that the war in
45:57
Speaker 1: the Middle East, So she wasn't asked how to split
45:59
Speaker 1: the hour. She was asked a pretty simple question that
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Speaker 1: she couldn't answer a week ago. She's got a husband
46:04
Speaker 1: who's quite happily skipping around the electorate pilfering signs off
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Speaker 1: the Liberal Party. She's got a campaign who are running
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Speaker 1: a very dirty campaign against the Liberal Party candidate in
46:14
Speaker 1: that seat, Amelia Haimer. But Monique, of course, is this
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Speaker 1: deity is above it all. She is a hypocrite. She
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Speaker 1: is spent the last three years in Parliament attacking the
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Speaker 1: Liberal Party, not attacking the Labor Party. A vote for
46:27
Speaker 1: her is a vote for Anthony Alberaneza to stay as
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister and more muscle to Peter and to Laura
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Speaker 1: and anyone who wants to put questions to her, because
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Speaker 1: she just can't answer them well.
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Speaker 2: Let's stay with hypocrites. We'll go to the Greens on
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Speaker 2: this one. They've accepted a donation of half a million
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Speaker 2: dollars from a professional gambler to fund their federal campaign.
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Speaker 2: This is at the same time Jared As they want
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Speaker 2: to crack down on gambling.
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Speaker 3: Advertising couldn't get more crooked.
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Speaker 8: I mean, people have this perception. I think of the
47:02
Speaker 8: Greens as they were in the nineties, of these kind
47:05
Speaker 8: of tree hugging protect the forests. That couldn't be more
47:07
Speaker 8: different from the Greens that we have today. Of course,
47:09
Speaker 8: they're very happy to tear down forest and prime agricultural
47:12
Speaker 8: land for renewable installations. They're very happy to take money
47:16
Speaker 8: from big private donors and gamblers in order to sort
47:19
Speaker 8: of play these hypocritic games out in the national stage.
47:22
Speaker 8: And I think this getting exposed is really going to
47:24
Speaker 8: start to open voter's eyes that these aren't the Greens
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Speaker 8: that you thought you were voting for, and you cannot
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Speaker 8: possibly preference them above anyone else in this coming election.
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Speaker 3: You are not wrong.
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Speaker 2: They are Marxists now, They're not the tree huggers of
47:39
Speaker 2: the They're not the nineties. I'd have to go back
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Speaker 2: to the seventies when they were tree huggers in their
47:43
Speaker 2: tied eye Jens o Leve they're good luck with the
47:45
Speaker 2: next week or so of the campaign.
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Speaker 3: James mcgarth. I know you're out there on the hustings.
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Speaker 3: That's it for me. Great to have your company as always,
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Speaker 3: here's Andrew